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HOPE Week goes on the Today show

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the latest announcement from the Yankees about today’s HOPE Week event. Best one yet? Might be. Here’s the press release from the Yankees.

The New York Yankees are proud to continue HOPE Week 2011 (Helping Others Persevere & Excel) on Friday by celebrating 21-year-old John Lahutsky.

In the company of Yankees Manager Joe Girardi, John will be reunited on the TODAY show with Andrei Sullivan, 19, who was his best friend from the Moscow orphanage they grew up in. John and Andrei have not seen each other in person since Andrei was adopted in 1997.

Neither of the young men know they are about to be reunited. John has been told he is going on the show solely to speak about his experiences in the orphanage, and Andrei (whose entire family has been flown in from Michigan) has been told that his hotel gave his family free tickets to see the TODAY show.

Following their initial reunion, John and Andrei will take an hour-long NBC Studio Tour before joining Yankees players Mark Teixeira, Brett Gardner and Hector Noesi and Yankees coaches Kevin Long and Larry Rothschild in touring the Central Park Zoo followed by an outdoor lunch on the grounds. In the evening, they will be guests of the team for its 7:05 game vs. Baltimore at Yankee Stadium.

Please note that this reunion would not be possible without the support of Delta Air Lines, which has provided complimentary air transportation for the entire Sullivan family, including Andrei, his parents, Tom and Roslyn, his brother and sister, John and Sarah, and two teenage Russian orphans, Mikhail and Alexander, whom the family is hosting in their Michigan home this summer.

THE STORY OF JOHN LAHUTSKY

John Lahutsky, 21, was born prematurely at 6 months, weighing just two pounds. At 18 months, he was placed by his birth mother in the Russian orphanage system, which considered him an “incurable” due to his cerebral palsy.

His “Baby House” offered him no education or physical therapy. From the time he entered the facility until he was 5 years old, he was never taken outside the walls of the building.

Despite the horrendous treatment he received, he always looked after his best friend in the unit, Andrei, even teaching Andrei how to talk after picking up Russian from the few nurses that treated him with decency. Andrei was adopted in 1997, but John had to wait until 1999 before being adopted by Paula Lahutsky of Bethlehem Township, Penn., who read about him in a church newsletter.

John recently wrote a book, The Boy from Baby House 10, which details his experiences in the Russian orphanage system. His hope is that by telling his story, he can prevent the abuses he suffered from happening to others.

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103 Responses to “HOPE Week goes on the Today show”

  1. Erin July 29th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    So cool. :)

    Really glad I checked Twitter this morning and saw the Today show announcement so I could set my DVR.

  2. blake July 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Just watched the segment on the Today show. The Yankees are really a great organization…..they don’t get near enough credit

  3. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    MTU-

    You’ve seen Jimenez way more than I. I know he pitches Saturday night against the Padres. I only see him when he faces the Braves. Last year his velocity was in the upper 90′s. When he no-hit the Braves he was at 98 in the 9th inning!

    Where is the max velocity now? 94-95?

    That poses a red flag+ his non-fluid pitching motion. I still believe the risk is worth getting him-just not for the package the Rockies are rumored to want.

  4. blake July 29th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

    Ubaldo Jimenez Rumors: Thursday
    By Tim Dierkes [July 29 at 12:26am CST]
    The latest on Rockies ace Ubaldo Jimenez, who is scheduled to pitch Saturday in San Diego…

    •The Tigers contacted the Rockies Thursday to discuss possible deals, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Colorado is also discussing Jimenez with the Yankees, Red Sox, Reds and Indians, according to FOX. Names of interest to the Rockies: Kyle Weiland and Will Middlebrooks of the Red Sox, Ivan Nova, Dellin Betances, and Jesus Montero of the Yankees, Jacob Turner of the Tigers, Yonder Alonso and a Major League starting pitcher from the Reds, and Drew Pomeranz of the Indians.
    •The Yankees appear to have the best shot at Jimenez, but there are no indications that they will meet the Rockies’ asking price, according to Troy Renck of the Denver Post (on Twitter).
    •The Rockies’ asking price for Jimenez “remains very, very high,” tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney, as in three top prospects. There’s been no significant movement in the Jimenez market, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
    •An NL source tells Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald the Red Sox are “not hot as of now” for Jimenez.

    you never really heard any mention of actual players with J. Upton….just that Towers would consider trading him for a king’s ransom. What you heard was that teams heard the price and everyone was immediately scared away. I think that was a true “weather balloon”. I used to think that’s what this was as well…..not thinking so much anymore. The Rockies have stayed in it too long…..I think they want to move him either now or this winter.

  5. MaineYankee July 29th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Erin July 29th, 2011 at 8:52 am
    So cool.

    Really glad I checked Twitter this morning and saw the Today show announcement so I could set my DVR.

    ———————————————————————————————-

    You’ll like it.

    It wasn’t just a short blurb.

    They showed enough to let people see just how special this program is for both sides.

  6. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    The Rockies have stayed in it too long…..I think they want to move him either now or this winter.
    ——————————–
    Blake-

    If it’s this winter the only competition is CJ Wilson, I believe. The Rangers are very interested in Heath Bell, another FA. If they get him, do they try to resign him and move Neftali Feliz to the rotation to replace Wilson or do the cash-rich Rangers just sign both of them?

  7. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    YT-

    I’m fine with that. I would not include Montero and Betances in the same deal.

    I prefer not to trade Montero at all.

    Who knows how the Yankees and Rockies value these various guys ?

    That’s the real question.

    We’re gonna find out.

  8. Erin July 29th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    MaineYankee-awesome. I can’t wait to watch!

  9. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    The Rockies have stayed in it too long…..I think they want to move him either now or this winter.

    =============================

    Unless someone knocks their socks off, I think the winter is far more likely scenario. He’ll still hold plenty of value then.

  10. Ys Guy July 29th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    i kept reading that feliz’s velocity was down but last night his first pitch was 96 and he was 97/98 the rest of the way with movement.

  11. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I’m fine with that. I would not include Montero and Betances in the same deal.

    I prefer not to trade Montero at all.
    ————————————–
    If Montero were not included I believe the vast majority of posters here would be thrilled.

  12. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Mell,

    yes but they do run the risk of that value decreasing if he gets hurt or has a mediocre finish to the season……the whole bird in the hand worth 2 in the bush deal. The players that are flying around as being offered are pretty good packages…..it’s possible they could get less later. However….they do have very little incentive to come down significantly from their demands unless they know something we don’t.

  13. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I prefer not to trade Montero either. I think Montero, Betances, Nova gets it done…..I wouldn’t pay that price, unsure if Cashman ultimately will or not if they don’t come down. I would let them have almost whatever else they wanted if can keep Montero and Banuelos.

  14. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Question?

    If the Rockies take Jimenez off the table or worse yet trade him to another AL team likely to make the playoffs, what becomes Plan B for the Yankees. The Yankees always have a Plan B, Plan C, and so on?

  15. MaineYankee July 29th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am
    YT-

    I’m fine with that. I would not include Montero and Betances in the same deal.

    I prefer not to trade Montero at all.

    Who knows how the Yankees and Rockies value these various guys ?

    That’s the real question.

    We’re gonna find out.

    ————————————————————————————

    Quite often how the deals end up isn’t what we hear from the rumor mill.

    Most GM’s aren’t letting out who they are looking at or who they are offering.

    Past experience has taught us that.

  16. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    YT-

    Not Always.

    Cliff Lee says hello.

    ;)

  17. Mike Ri July 29th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Plan B C D

    Rich Harden
    Eric Bedard
    Kuroda
    Wandy R
    Brett Myers

  18. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Trader,

    I think they might add a guy like Kuroda or Bedard if the price is right…..don’t see them being willing to give any of the top guys for either though (at least I hope not). They could ask about Danks but I just don’t see the White Sox selling him being only a couple of games out. It might be Ubaldo or nothing…..and I’d rather it be nothing than to pay too much for these other guys out there…..they are making the playoffs one way or another barring a big collapse

  19. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Blake-

    Several teams watched Betances last night.

    I wonder what they thought ?

    ;)

  20. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Blake-

    Did they see a great young arm with high-upside potential, or a kid who can’t keep it together for longer than 5 ?

  21. LGY July 29th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    unsure if Cashman ultimately will or not if they don’t come down

    ——-

    What about Head GM Levine?

  22. MaineYankee July 29th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:17 am
    I prefer not to trade Montero either. I think Montero, Betances, Nova gets it done…..I wouldn’t pay that price, unsure if Cashman ultimately will or not if they don’t come down. I would let them have almost whatever else they wanted if can keep Montero and Banuelos.

    ———————————————————————————————————

    Going on past history it seems fans over think these deals and quite often the package ends up being less than what we as fans think it should be.

  23. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    MTU,

    Sounds like they probably thought good things until the 5th and then somewhat bad things….he was rolling along and then the wheels came off. Sounded like the stuff was good though. 93-94 and touched 96 a fews times.

  24. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    LGY,

    that’s always the x factor.

    Maine,

    true but often times its because the seller is motivated. The Dbacks were having finanical problems with Haren, Greinke was being a bother in the clubhouse…..if the Rockies are really wanting to deal Ubaldo now for whatever reason then maybe the Yankees get him for what they want to get him for…..if not then they may have to make a really tough decision as to whether they want to overpay a little to get a guy that could increase their chances of winning this year.

  25. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Blake-

    You haven’t answered my question (I know you can’t).

    What was there overall scouting opinion and recommendation ?

    That’s what we don’t know.

    If he winds up headlining a package then we’ll know it was very, very favorable.

  26. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    The Dbacks were having finanical problems with Haren, Greinke was being a bother in the clubhouse…..if the Rockies are really wanting to deal Ubaldo now for whatever reason then maybe the Yankees get him for what they want to get him for

    ===========================

    Apples and oranges. Rox would be moving him to fill holes in the organization, not due to any salary or other issues. It’s why they don’t have to settle.

  27. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Breaking down the Rockies supposed wanted return in a trade for Ubaldo:

    ML ready pitcher-Nova or Noesi fill that bill

    2nd baseman-AA Corban Joseph interests the Rockies

    Catcher-AA Austin Romine easily could fast track to the majors and be better than Ianneta

    Another prized starting pitcher prospect-Dellin Betances should make them happy

    First Base- Therin lies the dilemma. Helton I believe has 2 years left. Their AAA has 30 yo Mike Jacobs. Could Jorge Vazquez be substituted for Montero?

    Package: Nova or Noesi, Betances, Joseph, Romine, Vazquez. If they want another AAA starter or reliever let them have it. Already overpaying.

    If that doesn’t do it–LET THEM EAT CAKE!!

  28. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Anyone know a website that addresses recent scoring changes in MLB games (i.e error to a hit, unearned run, to earned run, etc)?

  29. joeman July 29th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    copy paste…
    ———————-
    If Colorado wants Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, Dellin Betances, and another arm for Ubaldo Jimenez should the Yankees do it? It’s an expensive haul as they would be sacrificing their top hitting prospect, arguably their top pitching prospect, and catching depth. As long as Jimenez’s health checks out I think they should pull the trigger on such a deal.

    The Yankees have Russell Martin controlled through next year. Martin is a veteran that gives the Yankee exactly what they need: good defense, game calling, leadership behind the plate, and a little pop with his bat. He is still young enough (28) where you could expect 3-4 years of performance while 18 year old Gary Sanchez develops in the minors. Losing Montero and Romine isn’t crippling because of the presence of Sanchez. No one seems to believe that Montero will be a catcher anyway.

    Even if you lose Nova, Warren, or Hector Noesi it’s not the end of the world. They have tons of mid to back-end of the rotation type of arms. Again, that depth makes it an easier pill to swallow.

    The real risk my come with Dellin Betances. In two years Betances might be Jimenez. Maybe he is better. Right now, we just don’t know. What we do know is the Yankees are 2.5 games behind Boston in the American League East. We do know that it’s hard to see them win a 7 game series with their current rotation. Jimenez is not Hiroki Kuroda as he is a top of the rotation talent. He is young and controllable as well.

    Any other team couldn’t clean out their farm system. The Yankees can spend money in the future to cover up any mistakes. They can draft and go over slot as well to recoup the lost depth. If Colorado truly is lowering their demands from the “Herschel Walker level” to a simple “king’s ransom” you really have to consider doing it.

    ***

  30. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Several teams watched Betances last night.

    I wonder what they thought ?
    ——————————
    Ditto for Montero who went 0-4

  31. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    YT-

    That is a very competitive package IMO.

    Now all we need to do is convince them of that.

    ;)

  32. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Could Jorge Vazquez be substituted for Montero?

    =============================

    Could a 29 year old strikeout machine with an OBP under .300 in AAA be substituted for Montero?

    Is that your question?

  33. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Several teams watched Betances last night.

    I wonder what they thought ?

    ===========================

    Probably thought pretty highly of the 1st 5 innings. Probably didn’t think much at all of the 6th.

  34. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Romine is more than athletic enough to play 1st.

    ;)

  35. Ys Guy July 29th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    betances having a better year than banuelos i wonder if he gets sold short because he’s right handed.

  36. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Mell-

    My question would be.

    Which carried more weight ? The great 1st 5, or the implosion in the 6th ?

    ;)

  37. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Mell,

    I know….that’s what I was saying. There may be some issue with him we don’t know about.

    MTU,

    Yea I don’t know….I haven’t seen Betances pitch enough to give a really informed opion on him, just know the stats and what I’ve read and the little bit I’ve seen him in the spring.

  38. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Could a 29 year old strikeout machine with an OBP under .300 in AAA be substituted for Montero?

    Is that your question?
    ———————————
    NO, of course not! Look at the entire package. Is that enough even without Vazquez to get Jimenez?

  39. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Blake-

    Obviously, many of us think Dellin is great.

    Right now it only matters what the Rox think.

    The whole point of my question was on THEIR evaluation.

    We’ll see.

  40. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    “betances having a better year than banuelos i wonder if he gets sold short because he’s right handed.”

    not sold short but Manny is left handed and at the same level 3 years younger….You can take your time with Banuelos and still get him in the bigs in his early 20′s….can’t do the same with Betances.

  41. Ys Guy July 29th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    nobody’s gonna make their decision based on one inning. they know what he’s got, they’ve scouted him before and he showed the goods for 5 innings. i dont think it hurts him at all.

  42. blake July 29th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    MTU,

    I doubt last night’s start has much to do with whether the trade happens or not…..

  43. Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    It’s my understanding that it wasn’t an “implosion.”

    There were some weakly hit balls, including an infield hit, an a bunt, and a misplay that lead to the bases loaded situation. He walked a run in, but really only gave up one hard-hit ball that inning.

    It’s a shame, because up to that point he was dominating, and clearly it would have been better had he been able to get out of the inning. However, to characterize it as an implosion, I feel is misleading.

  44. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Which carried more weight ? The great 1st 5, or the implosion in the 6th ?

    =================================

    Regarding the 6th inning implosion, I’m reserving judegement until such time as J. Alfred and Yankeefem come on and post why none of it was Betances fault. ;)

    I’d assume most of these scouts have seen him several times, so I doubt any one outing or portion of an outing is of particular import. I’m sure there focused more on things like velocity, movement, quality of secondary stuff, and ability of he and his 80 inch frame to repeat his delivery.

  45. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Y’s/Blake-

    So in you guy’s opinion the 1st five counted more than the implosion.

    That’s all I was asking.

    Me. I have no idea. No clue what the Rox scout may have thought.

    Glad you guys are around.

    :)

  46. Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Why would you want to overpay in the first place? The package you’re wiling to offer is more than the Yankees wanted to pay for Cliff Lee. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, Ubaldo is not Cliff Lee (the current version), nor Roy Halladay.

    And even if you think that Montero’s value has decreased somewhat since last year (debatable), that package is still too much.

  47. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Gotta go soon:

    Todays predictions:

    Phillies move closer to getting Hunter Pence
    Rangers trade for Heath Bell
    Braves trade for Ryan Ludwick and $$$

    Yankees still rumored to be in on various starters but no trade today for one-
    Surprise us Cashman!!

  48. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    HardballTimes.com suggests that Bedard could be very expensive to trade for. The Mariners aren’t convinced they want to deal him and may want to try to re-sign him. Apparently they’re asking the Red Sox for either Kyle Weiland or Felix Doubront, along with a lesser prospect. That’s a lot to give up for a guy with huge injury questions.

    It would be akin to asking the Yankees for Adam Warren or David Phelps and a lesser prospect.

    Would I do that trade? Possibly.

    They speculate that the price will be lower on Harden – whom I would also be in favor of picking up.

    Both have injury issues but when healthy they are just nasty on the mound.

    I think the Yankees could do a lot worse than having a rotation of:

    CC
    Colon
    Bedard
    Harden
    AJ

    down the stretch.

  49. Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    YT:

    I was just busting on you a little, I know it wasn’t really your question.

    I don’t think the Rockies will be able to fill all their holes in a Jiminez trade. I think they know that. I think their primary focus would be on pitching an infield (they have a catching prospect already who is probably better than Romine).

  50. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Implosion may be the wrong word. Sorry if it does not accurately characterize it. I have no dog in that hunt anyway.

    Mell-

    Astute. I believe they are very systematic in their evaluations. Thanks.

  51. heyman_sux July 29th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Why would you want to overpay in the first place? The package you?re wiling to offer is more than the Yankees wanted to pay for Cliff Lee. I?ve said it before, and I?ll say it again, Ubaldo is not Cliff Lee (the current version), nor Roy Halladay.

    And even if you think that Montero?s value has decreased somewhat since last year (debatable), that package is still too much.
    *********

    Don’t think anyone is comparing him to that echelon of pitchers…

    Without agreeing to the proposed trade, you almost have to pay a little more because of the additional 2 years of control (as well as limited alternatives)

  52. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Why would you want to overpay in the first place?
    ————————————–
    I don’t. That post was entered to look at what the supposed rumored Rockies wants in players were.

  53. Triple Short of a Cycle July 29th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    So I guess Kyle Weiland is the new A level prospect for the Sox

  54. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Mell July 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am
    YT:

    I was just busting on you a little, I know it wasn’t really your question.
    —————————————
    Not nice to fool mother nature!! :)

  55. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    My trade deadline prediction gone wild:

    In separate deals the Yankees wind up with Jason Kubel and Joe Saunders (Towers and Cashman are obligated to make at least one trade per year)

    Red Sox get Bedard and Carlos Quentin

    Philly gets Josh Willingham

    Atlanta gets Ryan Ludwick

    Texas gets Heath Bell

    Washington gets BJ Upton

    The Pirates get Rich Harden

  56. Mike Ri July 29th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Any Jimenez deal with the Tigers would “almost certainly” include Jacob Turner and/or Rick Porcello, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

    Per Mlbtraderumors.com

  57. heyman_sux July 29th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Kubel and Saunders? “Wild” is right

  58. Triple Short of a Cycle July 29th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Mike Ri,

    So Turner = Bentances and Porcello = Nova/Noesi now where is the Tigers equivalent to Montero?

  59. Mike Ri July 29th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle –

    So Turner = Bentances and Porcello = Nova/Noesi now where is the Tigers equivalent to Montero?

    ———————————————————————–

    I have no idea bud….. .. im assuming it would be a starting point for the Tigers

  60. Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Yankee Trader -

    Gotcha.

    Thanks.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 9:51 am
    It’s my understanding that it wasn’t an “implosion.”

    There were some weakly hit balls, including an infield hit, an a bunt, and a misplay that lead to the bases loaded situation. He walked a run in, but really only gave up one hard-hit ball that inning.

    It’s a shame, because up to that point he was dominating, and clearly it would have been better had he been able to get out of the inning. However, to characterize it as an implosion, I feel is misleading.
    ///

    The problem was not the “implosion”. It was the Yankees as usual coming to the rescue and not letting a young pitcher, god forbid, pitch from the stretch & allow him to attempt to get out of trouble.

    There was one legit hit – an opposite fielder. The rest was crap & a blown play. The point is, they are on some robotic pitch count & it’s curtains for a kid. I didn’t like when they came & got him after 93 pitches his last outing at Trenton, because he had worked past a speed bump & was in cruise control for two innings. They must have their rules, & then they wonder why their guys don’t have staying power.

    In this case, he’d thrown 63 pitches in five innings, & they thought it was time to come & get him.

    The only explanation is 1). They infallibly stupid & cannot think on their feet or won’t let Franklin & Co. improvise (which I believe is generally true when it comes to the prized arms).
    or
    2). Development time is now at an end & they wanted to pull him then & there in case of a blow up inning, for showcase purposes.

    He pitched very well, but it’s not like he isn’t a known commodity in the scouting community & one more start is going to be some revelation.

  62. Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Yankee Trader July 29th, 2011 at 9:55 am
    Gotta go soon:

    Todays predictions:

    Phillies move closer to getting Hunter Pence
    Rangers trade for Heath Bell
    Braves trade for Ryan Ludwick and $$$

    Yankees still rumored to be in on various starters but no trade today for one-
    Surprise us Cashman!!
    ————————————

    Chip-

    Posted this earlier. Wow, we agree on something!!

    Gotta really go now. Have a great day everyone and if you didn’t watch the documentary on Jeter’s 3000, watch it. Proud to be a Yankee fan!!l

  63. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    JAP-

    “it’s not like he isn’t a known commodity in the scouting community & one more start is going to be some revelation.”

    Respectfully, doesn’t this beg the question, then why were they there
    last night ?

  64. heyman_sux July 29th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Respectfully, doesn?t this beg the question, then why were they there
    last night ?
    ********

    Was there ever a (realistic) explanation as to why the Mariners/Phillies scouts were there? Typical advance scouting? Am I looking too much into this?

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    MTU, He’s a work in progress, like all these guys, but my point is that a body of work is known already. I think you continue to build a case one way or another, but one start, in & of itself, isn’t likely to introduce much that is new, it’s just that it’s the last start before the TD. It may just confirm what’s already been witnessed.

  66. Tom in N.J. July 29th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Sometimes it seems like the Yankees MiLb is a training program and not a developmental program.

    What i mean by that, is it seems, from afar, to be a rigid inflexible thing that lacks fluidity.

  67. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    JAP-

    I know you are hoping he isn’t traded.

    I understand that you have seen him a lot and are enormously impressed with him. I can understand that. You have a right to be.

    It’s similar to how many times I’ve gotten to see U-Jim because I get the Rox feed.

    For the record, I have no dog in this hunt. I’m cool either way.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    They are there all the time.

    It’s not like scouts showed up for the first time last night. I would think it may have been a more intense scouting situation – because the situation is not so hypothetical. And perhaps because if a trade is being seriously discussed, it gets down to particular pieces in the puzzle, and which fit together best for the best deal for both parties altogether.

    Perhaps last night they looked at Betances with more of an eye toward him being a major piece? Who knows? Only they do for sure.

    J Alfred Prufrock -

    You are obviously frustrated by this. I sympathize. 63 pitches is way too early, I’d think, even if a pitch count/innings count is involved. I can only think they must feel it’s detrimental in some way to have an extended inning like that? Again, only they can say. You might be right in the feeling that perhaps they believed that as a showcase, enough was seen.

    But I’m glad you confirmed that it was not an implosion. It’s been bothering me all day that people are characterizing that inning in that way, when they did not see the inning for themselves.

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Well it certainly doesn’t help a young pitcher prepare for a ML career if they get yanked at the first sign of trouble. He wasn’t really in all that much trouble a double play ball couldn’t have helped him escape from. He didn’t get that chance.

  70. Against All Odds July 29th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    The Yankees can spend money in the future to cover up any mistakes.

    ————————————

    Just like they did in the 2000s

  71. blake July 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    MTU,

    teams have scouts everywhere just to check guys out….make sure they are healthy and no obvious red flags crop up to tell management. I think they look at the body of work much more when actually talking about the trade….but they need someone there to see the player just in case there is something going on with them that hasn’t been reported.

  72. blake July 29th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    spending money to cover up mistakes is a bad plan….especially these days when teams are locking more young players up. Having money doesn’t mean there will be anything to buy….just as we’ve seen the last couple of years.

  73. Wave Your Hat July 29th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The Yanks were very fortunate this year, essentially filling an inside straight when the signed Colon and Garcia to complete the rotation. The chance of similar fortune striking next year is not good.

    The free agent pool in starting pitchers next year is thin. Right now, next year’s rotation is CC (with an *), AJ and Hughes. I doubt whether Banuelos or Betances will be in the rotation next year, right now they are having some growing pains (and Betances with limited innings) in a great pitcher’s park in Trenton.

    Where’s the rotation going to come from? Getting a guy like Jimenez is key. IMO more important than prospects.

  74. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Blake-

    A final check so to speak.

    Part of their due diligence.

    Thanks.

    :)

  75. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I’ll say it again – I don’t mind parting with Betances because I don’t believe the Yankees are capable of turning high ceiling pitching prospects into top of the rotation pitchers.

    Everything they do grooms them to be 5 inning/100 pitch pitchers.

    Remember a couple of years ago when the big debate was over which team had the better duo long term – the Red Sox with Lester and Bucholtz or the Yankees with Hughes and Joba? How silly does that debate sound now?

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am
    JAP-

    I know you are hoping he isn’t traded.

    I understand that you have seen him a lot and are enormously impressed with him. I can understand that. You have a right to be.

    It’s similar to how many times I’ve gotten to see U-Jim because I get the Rox feed.

    For the record, I have no dog in this hunt. I’m cool either way.
    ///

    Well there’s not a whole helluva lot I can do if they deal him, now is there. It’s the Yankees, I’m used to them not giving their own a chance. It’s not going to solace me much though if they spare Dellin & Manny but trade the Great Bat in Scranton. That’s not really a victory.

    I also don’t believe for a minute this Red Sox stuff. Kyle Weiland & Middlebrooks??? There’s a reason they’ve “pulled back” or whatever the report is; they’ve got NOTHING to trade. The Yankees should put together a good package of second tier guys & if they’re rejected, fine. If they get rid of any of the Big 3, yes, it will be a disappointment. tell you what, they can trade Dellin for Clayton Kershaw. Or I might swap him for Matt Moore, even. That’s about it.

  77. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Wave Your Hat July 29th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Where’s the rotation going to come from? Getting a guy like Jimenez is key. IMO more important than prospects.

    ————————

    CJ Wilson or (and I understand this is a highly controversial suggestion) but if he’s healthy I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – I would try to deal for Johan Santana.

    More money than Wilson but far fewer years than what CJ will command.

  78. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    WYH-

    I can see strong arguments being made on both sides of the equation.

    I imagine it’s not an easy decision.

    Not saying you said it was.

    :)

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I’ll say it again – I don’t mind parting with Betances because I don’t believe the Yankees are capable of turning high ceiling pitching prospects into top of the rotation pitchers.
    ///

    Chip we have common ground after all. I mind, but I agree with the sentiment. Why do I root for this team again?

    Have a good morning, all.

  80. Against All Odds July 29th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    # Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I’ll say it again – I don’t mind parting with Betances because I don’t believe the Yankees are capable of turning high ceiling pitching prospects into top of the rotation pitchers.

    Everything they do grooms them to be 5 inning/100 pitch pitchers.

    Remember a couple of years ago when the big debate was over which team had the better duo long term – the Red Sox with Lester and Bucholtz or the Yankees with Hughes and Joba? How silly does that debate sound now?

    ————————-

    I remember that debate. Buchholz has had his fair share of stumbles but he has progressed as a starter and Lester is Lester.

  81. Villa Nova-Ya July 29th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    I know that trades are part of baseball, and sometimes it stings to trade away prospects that have such promise.

    In this situation, though, I’m with Prufrock. I really don’t want Montero, Betances or Banuelos included, and strictly at this juncture, I would extend that to include Romine.

    If that means no trade gets made, then so be it.

  82. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    WYH-

    Maybe if we all sleep at a Holiday Inn tonight we’ll know just what to do.

    :)

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    You are obviously frustrated by this. I sympathize. 63 pitches is way too early, I’d think, even if a pitch count/innings count is involved. I can only think they must feel it’s detrimental in some way to have an extended inning like that? Again, only they can say. You might be right in the feeling that perhaps they believed that as a showcase, enough was seen.

    But I’m glad you confirmed that it was not an implosion. It’s been bothering me all day that people are characterizing that inning in that way, when they did not see the inning for themselves.
    ///

    You can always go to Mike Ashmore’s blog after the game & ask him what he saw, instead of relying on just a final line. He’s very responsive to questions. I always check in there after games I’ve seen to ask what the coaches said about pitch counts, etc. He’s our intrepid guy, will go the distance for the interested fan. He posts video at times as well.

    Good one, all.

  84. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Honestly – I think if they all stay with the organization guys like Warren, Noesi, Nova, Phelps will end up contributing more to the Yankees than Hughes, Brackman, Betances and Banuelos.

  85. Against All Odds July 29th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Why do I root for this team again?

    ——————————–

    Because just when you thought you were out… they pull you back in

  86. Mike Ri July 29th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Maybe if we all sleep at a Holiday Inn tonight we?ll know just what to do.

    ——-

    LOL LOL

  87. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I’m sort of rooting for Brian Roberts to get traded to the Pirates so that I can start calling him the Dread Pirate Roberts.

  88. Wave Your Hat July 29th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    MTU-

    It could go wrong either way, for sure. But I’m with Chip in feeling like the Yanks aren’t going to make the most of the two Bs. And if Montero is a dead-lock cinch to be so great, I keep wondering why the Yanks haven’t called him up. And I keep wondering where he’s going to play long term.

  89. MTU July 29th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Back after a brief intermission from my sponsors. The mini-hounds of the Baskervilles.

    :)

  90. upstate kate July 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Chip
    LOL @ Dread Pirate Roberts! Your best trade proposal ever :)

  91. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    upstate kate July 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Chip
    LOL @ Dread Pirate Roberts! Your best trade proposal ever
    ———

    Thanks…I think

  92. blake July 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Chip,

    So basically you are ok parting with Betances because you think the Yankees are going to screw him up anyway……I guess that’s possible…..you know they do need a 6th inning guy.

  93. jacksquat July 29th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    For UJ I offer Betances + Nova + Corban Joseph + 1 or 2 other Joseph level guys and say final offer.

    I don’t want to watch Montero hit .330/40/120 for the Rockies.

  94. upstate kate July 29th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Chip
    it was meant to be a compliment, I love that movie!

  95. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    blake July 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am
    Chip,

    So basically you are ok parting with Betances because you think the Yankees are going to screw him up anyway……I guess that’s possible…..you know they do need a 6th inning guy.

    —————-

    Pretty much sums it up.

    I said it yesterday – the “Killer B’s” have been handled much the same way by many of the same people who got to screw up Joba, Hughes and Kennedy – so why should I be confident that the results will be any different.

    Brackman has already fallen off to the side – he’s been surpassed by guys like Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Nova and Noesi.

    The only way pitchers can learn how to pitch and improve as pitchers is if they are allowed to pitch and rather than let them throw the Yankees have wrapped Banuelos and Betances in bubble wrap. The reason (in my opinion) that Phelps, Warren, et al have progressed is because the Yankees never treated them like they were elite prospects.

  96. Chip July 29th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Montero is a different story in my opinion. I think he was one bad Jorge Posada month away from being up here until he got hurt.

    Now I think if he’s still a Yankee on Monday we might see him in August and September.

    I get the frustration – I want the team to just let him play too – but I also understand the other side of it which is that you don’t want to break in a new catcher working with the pitchers when the old one is working well with them and with Alex coming back soon and Posada and Chavez also on the team the DH spot is pretty well full up.

  97. Triple Short of a Cycle July 29th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Chip

    + 1

    Which is why guys like Wang and to a lesser degree Nova can succeed here

  98. pat July 29th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Is it Monday yet? :sad:

  99. Erin July 29th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Chip July 29th, 2011 at 10:43 am
    I?m sort of rooting for Brian Roberts to get traded to the Pirates so that I can start calling him the Dread Pirate Roberts.

    **********************

    Nice. :D

  100. Erin July 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    pat-not very often that we actually want Monday to get here. :?

  101. Erin July 29th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    New Post- Girardi: “We just need A.J. to go pitch well”

    :arrow:

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    I doubt whether Banuelos or Betances will be in the rotation next year, right now they are having some growing pains (and Betances with limited innings) in a great pitcher’s park in Trenton.
    ///

    WYH, it’s nice to see you back in here.

    They’re not really getting rescued by the ballpark they play in. They barely give up hits anywhere near the warning track on most nights or the ball even hit solidly against them. That’s the odd game & the odd AB, even when someone squares a pitch up against them. They’re also in the midseason Top 50 on all rankings, not Yankee lists. They may move one of them, but they’re both really, really good young pitchers, which is why the Rockies are insisting on at least one of them.

    The limited innings have been two-fold. Yes, their counts have been high at times due to off command but it’s also the Yankees’ reluctance to let them get through stuff. Last night was a classic example of that.

    They have a ways to go, but they’re coming along nicely & will be worth the wait if the Yankees can hold it. I think the last 2 months here will tell us where they’re heading next season, if they’re both still here after Sunday

    The Yanks won’t have two like them this close to the major leagues for a good while. The only guy who had a comparable arm in the system, was Vizcaino, but he doesn’t already have an established, plus 3rd pitch like they both do.

  103. Wave Your Hat July 29th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    That’s interesting, JAP. I’m sure the Bs have great potential, I guess the question is am I comfortable with the Yanks maybe losing in 2011 and 2012 waiting for them to arrive, while in the back of my mind worrying that they won’t turn out to be worth the wait. I guess that’s the question all of us fans are asking ourselves.

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