Game 104: Yankees vs. Orioles (first game)
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2011 
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Yankees lineup
1. Brett Gardner CF
2. Eduardo Nunez SS
3. Mark Teixeira DH
4. Robinson Cano 2B
5. Nick Swisher RF
6. Eric Chavez 3B
7. Jorge Posada 1B
8. Chris Dickerson LF
9. Francisco Cervelli C
Bartolo Colon RHP
Orioles lineup
1. J.J. Hardy SS
2. Nick Markakis RF
3. Adam Jones CF
4. Vladimir Guerrero DH
5. Derrek Lee 1B
6. Mark Reynolds 3B
7. Felix Pie LF
8. Craig Tatum C
9. Blake Davis 2B
Chris Tillman RHP
TV/Time: YES/1:08
Umpires: Tim Welke HP, Mike Estabrook 1B, Jim Reynolds 2B, Mike DiMuro 3B
Weather: Sunny, 86
Long Tex messages: Mark Teixeira has homered in four of his last seven games and needs one for No. 30. That would make him just the fourth Yankee to launch 30 in each of his first three seasons with the team, joining Alex Rodriguez, Roger Maris and Babe Ruth. It would be Teixeira’s seventh straight 30-homer season.
Double dips: The Yankees are 11-1-13 in doubleheaders since 2000. The Red Sox inflicted that lone sweep on them, at the old Yankee Stadium in 2006.
Update, 1:15: Nunez is still an adventure in the field. He pulls Cano off the bag with his throw for his team-high 14th error, bases loaded, two outs.
Update, 1:17: Good job by Colon getting the strikeout-prone Mark Reynolds swinging. That’s 115 strikeouts in 337 at-bats for Reynolds, who does have 22 homers and 53 RBI.
Update, 1:23: Chris Tillman is just back from AAA, and he had an impressive beginning, 1-2-3 first with strikeouts swinging against Nunez and Teixeira.
Update, 1:29: Better second for Colon, 1-2-3.
Update, 1:35: Tillman is dominating the Yankees so far, four strikeouts in two perfect innings.
Update, 1:49: Colon weaves out of trouble again, second and third, two outs and he gets Derrek Lee looking at what looked like a moving two-seamer at the knees. End of 2 1/2, no score.
Update, 1:51: First hit for the Yankees, Posada punches a single into left, leading off the third.
Update, 1:53: Dickerson bunts into a force, but Cervelli clobbers a ground-rule double to left-center, second and third, one out.
Update, 1:57: Gardner two-run single to left, so it’s 2-0.
Update, 2:08: Two singles to start the Baltimore third, then the Yankees couldn’t turn a 4-6-3 double play. So it’s 2-1, runner on first, one out.
Update, 2:11: Colon just gave up a double, so it’s second and third. His pitch count is at 72 already.
Update, 2:11: Run-scoring grounder to second for Hardy, tying the game.
Update, 2:21: Colon strands two in scoring position, getting Adam Jones swinging to end the fourth. But he’s used up 90 pitches already. It’s 2-2.
Update, 2:27: Leadoff walk to Cano, then two-run homer for Swisher to the right-center seats on a 2-0 fastball. That’s No. 13 for him. So it’s 4-2.
Update, 2:38: RBI single for Cervelli, second and third, one out.
Update, 2:42: Both runners stranded by Gardner and Nunez. It’s 5-2 headed for the fifth.
Update, 2:50: 1-2-3 fifth for Colon, but he’s at 105 pitches.
Update, 2:57: Lefty Troy Patton is coming on for Tillman with two in scoring position and one out, after Swisher’s double to the base of the wall in center.
Update, 3:02: Chavez grounds an RBI single into right, so it’s 6-2.
Update, 3:04: RBI grounder for Posada. Cory Wade is warming, meanwhile, for the Yankees.
Update, 3:06: Two singles for Dickerson now, this one for an RBI. He certainly doesn’t deserve to get cut coming off this game. It’s 8-2.
Update, 3:09: Colon is done, Wade is in for the sixth. Colon had to work hard to allow just two runs.
Update, 3:14: 1-2-3 inning for Wade.
Update, 3:14: Three up, three down for the Yankees in the sixth.
Update, 3:29: One-hit seventh for Wade.
Update, 3:38: Swisher gets his third hit, but he’s left stranded.
Update, 3:43: Finally a run off Wade. Reynolds hits a solo shot to the left-field seats, No. 23 for him. It’s 8-3 in the eighth.
Update, 3:47: Very good three innings for Wade, all in all. He’s been a real find.
Update, 3:55: Ninth inning, Boone Logan will try to close it out. Would’ve seemed like a good spot to let Soriano dip his toes back in the water.
Update, 4:09: Two-single ninth for Logan. Yankees win, 8-3.
I believe Teix and Cano are a collective 12-16 against Tillman lifetime, the Yankees will score a bunch of runs this afternoon…
a respected voice in the Yankees organization is watching the Padres relievers today. From the start, San Diego has been adamant about not trading Mike Adams (cost controlled through 2012) since they see him taking Heath Bell‘s spot after a potential trade. I have been told the Yankees prefer Adams over any other Padres reliever.
# joeman July 30th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
The big news is a rumor via Tim Kurkjian of ESPN that the Yankees are “all in” on Ubaldo Jimenez.
I think a trade deadline where the Yankees acquire Heath Bell, Matt Thornton, and Ubaldo Jimenez makes them instant favorites to win the World Series. It lengthens their rotation and creates a bullpen that potentially will shorten games to five innings. A second lefty in Thornton is imperative to beat the Red Sox in a short series. The presence of Bell would also mean there would be no need to go two innings with Mariano Rivera late in the season. At his age, they need to manage his innings more effectively.
Wow. Dickerson stole that one.
# Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
“The boogie man is coming to get me.”
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That’s actually funny.
In terms of Cashman and not being aggressive as Amaro. That’s how the Yankees used to operate when George was around and it lead to a barren waste land of a farm system. Maybe Cash doesn’t want to go down the same road again.
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It’s like people on this forum don’t remember the eighties.
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And then they complain why is the farm system
# joeman July 30th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
The big news is a rumor via Tim Kurkjian of ESPN that the Yankees are “all in” on Ubaldo Jimenez.
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SMH
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Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
If the Rox don’t drop their price (Nova and two from the B’s and Montero), then the Yanks should pass on him. If the Rox drop the price on Ubaldo, then their shopping of Ubaldo wasn’t simply a trial ballon. This implies that the Rox are trying to cash out on Ubaldo while the getting is good. In this event, the Yanks should tread carefully, and not give away too much, because Ubaldo will carry significant risks with him. I think that sending Hughes plus a couple of low to mid-level prospects for Ubaldo would be a good deal.
Nunez oh boy
Nunez: ol’ (un)reliable
Nunez is just not a major league SS. Like his bat and speed, really dislike his D…
I think that sending Hughes plus a couple of low to mid-level prospects for Ubaldo would be a good deal.
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Which is why the Rockies would never accept that.
Colon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice job Colon!
Yikes, I mean every throw is an adventure>
At least Bartolo got out of it.
Nuneeeeeeeeee
Why again would you trade Hughes?
We want to hold onto Betcances and Banuelos who have struggled some at AA, but trade the guy who blew through the minors and is only 24.
Would you have said to trade Hughes in the first half of last season? So he dominanted then, what’s to say he won’t grow, as young players do, as Jiminez has who’s older?
# Phranchise July 30th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Why again would you trade Hughes?
We want to hold onto Betcances and Banuelos who have struggled some at AA, but trade the guy who blew through the minors and is only 24.
Would you have said to trade Hughes in the first half of last season? So he dominanted then, what’s to say he won’t grow, as young players do, as Jiminez has who’s older?
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Hughes’ value is low so the Yankees probably wouldn’t move him anyway but I understand why fans want to move him.
Colon didn’t bat an eyelash on Nunez’s error. He’s seen everything.
If someone is offering something good for Hughes, then Yankees will trade him. I doubt any team would do that but you never know with NL GM’s looking for pitching. Hughes has the potential to match Ian Kennedy or maybe even Jeff Karstens in the NL.
Team. Needs. A. Bat.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I think that sending Hughes plus a couple of low to mid-level prospects for Ubaldo would be a good deal.
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Which is why the Rockies would never accept that.
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You’re probably right. However, it isn’t a bad deal from their standpoint either. It’s a trade of a couple of high-level young pitchers that have suffered from a decline in velocity over the last year, each of whom might benefit from a change of scenery. Hughes in particular would benefit from the change of scenery–look at how Kennedy has flourished in the NL. Toss in a couple of lower-level prospects, and I think that the Rox would do quite nicely in that deal. The obvious question would be Rox’s next-best alternative. However, I don’t see teams clearing out their farm systems in any deals thus far this year, so the competition may not be that tough to beat.
CHICAGO — Here are the latest rumors:
• Bob Nightengale of USA Today has the Red Sox “pushing hard” for White RF Carlos Quentin and LHP Matt Thornton.
Quentin is entering his last year of arbitration eligibility and is making $5.05 million this year. Thornton is on the books for $5.5 million in 2012, $5.5 million in 2013 and $6 million (or a $1 million buyout) in 2014.
The White Sox knew what they were doing when they dumped Bobby Jenks. Why are they suddenly so hot to deal Thornton? Red flag, there.
• Buster Olney has the Red Sox discussing a deal with Oakland for RHP Rich Harden and OF Josh Willingham. The Sox have liked Willingham for a while.
• Now that Seattle has traded Doug Fister and David Pauley to the Tigers for a package of prospects that includes Maine native Charlue Furbush, will the Mariners empty out the rest of the roster and deal Erik Bedard or Jason Vargas, too?
Hughes has the potential to match those guys and come back to haunt the Yankees if they did trade him. The desire to trade guys when they are going bad elludes me. Let’s move David Robertson now before he goes through a bad streak. How will we ever know if he can continue playing this well? Should have traded Hughes last year then if you aren’t going to stick with young players.
Phranchise July 30th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Why again would you trade Hughes?
We want to hold onto Betcances and Banuelos who have struggled some at AA, but trade the guy who blew through the minors and is only 24.
Would you have said to trade Hughes in the first half of last season? So he dominanted then, what’s to say he won’t grow, as young players do, as Jiminez has who’s older?
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Because I think that Ubaldo would be an upgrade over Hughes, and keeping Montero, Betances, and Banuelos gives us more chances at finding a gem for the big club, and I think that Ubaldo will help us win the WS this year more than Hughes will.
Jorge is actually a fairly good 1st baseman…
If an NL GM is willing to bake-in the positive outlook that Hughes has potential to match Karstens, then Cash should take their offer. It won’t haunt the Yankees if the offer weighs Hughes’ NL potential and reflects it in the compensation sent to the Yankees.
MG July 30th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Jorge is actually a fairly good 1st baseman…
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I guess that his errors as an infielder were probably throwing errors.
MG, what do you think of Ubaldo?
Again, I see the Red Sox are in on everyone.
What special players are they willing to move though?
Essentially any team can be “in” on someone by offering a bat boy
I have yet to hear what great players these teams desperately desire from the Sox? They don’t have any pitchers in the top 100 and only Iglesias who is a defensive SS is there.
Ghost – I like the way u are thinking.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
by JackCurryYES
The Yankees have wanted Ubaldo for weeks. But Rox haven’t lowered demands and Yankees don’t want to meet them.
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Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
MG July 30th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Jorge is actually a fairly good 1st baseman…
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I guess that his errors as an infielder were probably throwing errors.
MG, what do you think of Ubaldo?
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I’ve only seen him once, against the Yankees earlier this season, and was impressed.
I don’t play amateur GM or Scout so don’t pay much attention to all these rumors, it’s worth talking about after the trade deadline and the actual moves are completed. I doubt the Yankees go without a move in the next 24 hours, I just have no clue what it will be nor am I interested in forecasting it…
now all of a sudden we can’t hit Baltimores elite pitching staff
Hughes can match those guys with his arm hanging by a thread. His potential is much higher than what he’s doing right now.
Hughes isn’t physically right. Until he is, he has no trade value. If you are wishing Hughes away thus season, it won’t be in a trade.
Tillman is throwing harder than earlier in the season per Singleton (who lives in Baltimore) let’s give the Yankees 1X through the order to adjust, it isn’t like he’s throwing 95+ out there.
But Rox haven’t lowered demands and Yankees don’t want to meet them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_GZIaghqV0
“Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am
OT: Has anyone ever ate at the Men’s club in Charlotte, NC? I was there last night. The girls were a bit money hungry but the food was delicious. Pat M., if you ever come out this way, we’re going to the Men’s Club. They have a dang licensed masseuse that roams around and gives massages at $10 per song. It’s a 4 star restaurant.”
Does this mean the $25 you owe me is on its way?
When you have some time look at some of the stats Jiminez has against AL teams. You might not be so impressed. In fact, it might make you think twice about how good you think he would be here. And that’s exactly why the Yankees will stick to their guns and not overpay for him. As they should.
Nick in SF, still baby on way. We were comped. My buddy is pro poker player.
Good grief.
When you are in CHA let me know and we’ll run up a tab. He practically owns the joint.
The Rockies are in a position of power, not the Yankees, so if anyone caves it would be the Yankees, but I don’t see it happening. I don’t think Jimenez is going anywhere.
When you made the wager, did you consider the possibility that you might lose?
You could have paid me $3 a month on an installment plan and you’d be paid off by now.
Bartolo just doesn’t have that sick movement today>
Nick in SF July 30th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
When you made the wager, did you consider the possibility that you might lose?
You could have paid me $3 a month on an installment plan and you’d be paid off by now.
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Nick, maybe you could get a signed David DeJesus MVP card baseball card in payment, I hear they are hard to get.
Ump has decided to implement new rules: it now takes six strikes to record a strikeout.
atta boy Colon. Offense needs to wake the F up.
We don’t know how motivated the Rockies are to trade Jimenez. We don’t know what could be going on internally. For all we know there could have been some big fight and Ubaldo asked to be traded by the deadline.
He struck out Markismyass twice, then he hits a foul ball for a double. Gotta love these umpires.
Colon is a pleasure to watch, even not getting any calls. You know what? He’s here now!
Colon is capable of beating any team in baseball the way he has pitched this year, all this talk about the Yankees rotation not matching up in the playoffs is overblown.
Every pitcher has the same chance of getting hurt out there-Lester was on the DL for a month, Bucholz is there now, why are they a better bet to be healthy at the end of the season than Colon other than Colon is older-his past injury history is just that, history, he’s shown no signs of elbow issues whatsover this year.
The ump is really squeezing Colon on the corner. Especially on the 2 pitches to Markakis before he hit the double.
great bunt there
What?????
Buunting in the 3rd inning with Posada running?? That was really stupid.
Cervelli has been hitting really well recently. Are you watching Martin?
Crap. Could have scored easily.
pgammo Peter Gammons
Ken Williams hasn’t gotten young LH bat or players he’d need for Quentin, and 2 out in the loss column plans to hold onto him
7 seconds ago
Move the fence back to 457, that Cervilli grd would have been an indide the parker.
c’mon Gardner get it together…we better get two runs here (at least one)
love you Gardy thank you
Nice slap hit for Gardner
Gardner comes through.
Yes! Finally a little offense – with the help of “fundamentally sound” O’s. Little pissants that they are.
Reynolds plays 3rd base about as well as he makes contact at the plate…
# syd_cash July 30th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
c’mon Gardner get it together…we better get two runs here (at least one)
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Your wish has been granted what else would you like
Seriously, Bret, what does ‘baby on way’ have to do with paying off a $25 bet you lost in December?
Do I get paid when it graduates from college or do I have do wonder if the baby will go to grad school?
I make these wagers in good faith. Other people on here have paid off their losses. You and stuckey haven’t.
You don’t want to be like stuckey, do you?
sheesh can we ever not give up runs as soon as we score
Colon has to start mixing it up better
MG July 30th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Colon is capable of beating any team in baseball the way he has pitched this year, all this talk about the Yankees rotation not matching up in the playoffs is overblown.
Every pitcher has the same chance of getting hurt out there-Lester was on the DL for a month, Bucholz is there now, why are they a better bet to be healthy at the end of the season than Colon other than Colon is older-his past injury history is just that, history, he’s shown no signs of elbow issues whatsover this year.
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spot on.
Damn.
Colon’s location isn’t great, he is getting too much of the plate.
I missed the game last night, so I was unpleasantly surprised to see we’d lost to a guy who was 5-14, who ended up only allowing 4 hits.
Burnett is better than last year but no better than being a .500 pitcher, Cano looks really lost at the plate, Tex is still under .250 (!), despite the HRs., no one has stepped up to fill the void left by A-Rod
Going into this homestand Chad correctly pointed out that we had to take advantage of ten games against terrible teams – especially with the Sox also playing two losers but then taking on Chicago, who has owned them.
Instead we’re 4-3, have made up no ground, and we win out this weekend to get to a barely acceptable 7-3 for these three teams.
Plus, we have to listen to Cashman and Girardi talk about how the current roster is a playoff-caliber team. It’s not, because while we may match up offensively, we don’t have the pitching to compete with Boston and Philly; we have no legitimate No. 2, while those teams have formidable No. 3s and 4s. Plus, Philly just filled the only offensive hole on their team with Pence.
I’ve never been one of those doom-and-gloomers every time we drop a game, but I think right now we’re the third best team in baseball.
Colon isn’t looking particularly great today. Lots of pitches to get into the 4th inning.
Bartolo is really laboring in this game.
Lead lasted a long time. It’s good that Burnett went 8 innings last night, because Colon may get through 6 innings.
We might have been better off using Bartolo in the night game, and Nova in the day game. The big man looks like he is wilting in the heat.
# Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Bartolo is really laboring in this game.
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you really can’t count on any of these guys after CC
Yikes – 82 pitches in the 4th inning verus the Orioles!
If the Yanks didnt have a double headed today someone would probably be warming up right now. They need him to save bullets.
almost 90 pitches in 4 innings is crazy
joeman July 30th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
# Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Bartolo is really laboring in this game.
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you really can’t count on any of these guys after CC
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You’re right. Colon has been unreliable this year. This one bad start far outweighs the umpteen good starts that Colon has given us this year.
geez c’mon
Someone has to start warming up….You don’t want him to get hurt. 33+ pitches in this inning.
Yes! Colon got out of it!
The Yanks have to be careful with Colon down the stretch. The last time he threw more than 100 innings was ’05 and he is at 100 innings right now. They are going to have to skip him in the rotation every couple of starts so his arm is around in Sept. and Oct.
Same as Nunez’ error in the first. Colon wasn’t going to blow. He’s seen everything.
Hopefully, the guys will grab the lead again, and Girardi will send Colon out for the fifth on a short leash. I would like to see Bart get a win this afternoon.
Ghostwriter,
Amen.
craigcalcaterra Craig Calcaterra
Cardinals, Dodgers have deal in place for Rafael Furcal; Furcal leaning toward waiving 10-5 rights hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/car… #hbt
12 seconds ago
Go Swisher!!!
Swish!
Swish maybe the bats are alive again
Swishaliciuos!
Swisher Stick!
You’re a prophet, Ghostwriter.
is anyone else as hung over as i am
Robbie’s patience got us another run.
Here we go! Tillman’s afternoon is about to get real bumpy!
waka flocka July 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
is anyone else as hung over as i am
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Idiot.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#royals are keeping frenchy and melky, i hear. they want them in kc when kids start to develop. #tradedeadline
tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
You’re a prophet, Ghostwriter.
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It was a wish, no a forecast!
Since I seem to be on a roll: I hope the Yanks win the World Series this year…
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
You’re a prophet, Ghostwriter.
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It was a wish, not a forecast!
Since I seem to be on a roll: I hope the Yanks win the World Series this year…
WCYF? you’re still breathing? =(
Posada looks like he might be on another little spurt–he’s been hitting the ball hard lately.
There’s nothing doom and gloom about being the third best team in all of baseball, Kevin Brown. It’s realistic, and reflected in the standings.
Season’s not over this week, it’ll be back and forth imo.
Ghostwriter,
I sincerely hope you’re on a roll. Colon, get one more inning and the win.
Felix would definitely have a role on the Yankees. 4th OF/Pie-man.
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 Keep hearing #Yankees #Rockies hardly talking. 1 person who spoke to Rox said, “Dan (O’Dowd) and Brian (Cashman) are waiting for each (cont)
to blink. They are going to keep waiting and 4 o’clock is going to come tomorrow.” #Yankees #Rockies
Cervelli hitting machine.
Nice work, Cervy!
Cervelli has looked really good at the plate recently. I remember him going 3-3 the other day.
Dickerson was a real nice pick up b Cashman this year, and we essentially got him for nothing.
Gardner has to lay off those high fastballs
If not for the dugout screen blocking that errant throw, jones scores…
LGY,
Nice tweet there. Neither has anything to lose. Rockies try for a better haul in the winter. Cashman keeps his toys.
The fact that O’Dowd has not backed away from the table is telling in itself.
This deal might actually get done. If not with us, then by another team swooping in.
What’s up with Gardner swinging at these high fastballs lately?
2 more ducks out there.
Captain Clutch July 30th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Cervelli has looked really good at the plate recently. I remember him going 3-3 the other day.
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He gets a lot of crap on this forum, but he isn’t a bad player at all.
I don’t expect the Rockies to blink – why should they? If they trade Jimenez and get a bundle for him, ok, but other than that, they have no incentive to trade him. I think if Cashman is waiting for the Rockies to blink, he’s going to have a long wait.
Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
I don’t expect the Rockies to blink – why should they? If they trade Jimenez and get a bundle for him, ok, but other than that, they have no incentive to trade him. I think if Cashman is waiting for the Rockies to blink, he’s going to have a long wait.
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C’est la vie.
M, I’d argue that the Yankees have something to lose by not going out and getting a very good pitcher. I don’t think we can count on Colon/Garcia to keep this up next year and AJ is not going to get any better. I don’t think Cashman should give up what the Rockies are asking for (Nova and 2 of Montero/Betances/Banuelos), but it’s true that these are all just prospects and, as we’ve seen, there are no guarantees. It’s a risk to hold onto even your best prospects……….
looks like Tillman had his almost 1X through the order highlight film for the year, he isn’t fooling anyone with his stuff out there anymore.
Ghost, ok, lol…….
Betsy,
It’s the principle of the thing. You yourself have said you don’t want to give up a lot.
He has a lot of question marks, I think that’s why Cash is holding out.
Anyone else who is available is not better than what we have.
Bartolo,
Command and control. 12 pitches max.
I don’t expect the Rockies to blink
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Hopefully they don’t. Giving up Montero for a #2-#3 starter in the AL is ridiculous.
Bartolo practicing for a big traditional Thanksgiving dinner. Carving up some Orioles.
Colon knows this is his last inning and is emptying the tank right now.
Good spot for Noesi to get some work and give them some innings.
Cashman generally has demonstrated the prudence to mitigate the Yanks downside risks in these kinds of negotiations. This is one of his strengths as a GM. When he takes a big risk, the cost is typically pretty small. I don’t think that Cash will allow himself to be fleeeced for Ubaldo, nor should he.
Bartolo is definitely come=back player of the year.
good inning for Colon. It’s tempting to send him out for the sixth,lk but I think that Joe should send him to the showers. Five innings and the lead in this heat is good enough.
tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Bartolo is definitely come=back player of the year.
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No doubt.
the thing about Colon that gives me confidence he can pitch through the season without a serious arm or elbow injury is that he throws under control and is able to crank it up in spots during the game.
He isn’t all out on every pitch, that means there is less stress on his throwing arm than someone who is all out all the time.
Noesi should start the 6th inning. They can’t let Colon go that far over 100 pitches.
Bartolo at 95 on his 103rd pitch.
What more can you asK?
M, yeah I wouldn’t give up what they are asking, but I think Cashman needs to at least be trying to work the Rockies and get them to come down in price. This is being portrayed as a high class game of chicken, but I don’t see it that way because I don’t think they are in equal positions. Even though I think that package Rockies are demanding is too high, it would still sting not to acquire a good /very good pitcher – even if not making this kind of trade is the right non-move, the Yankees would be hurt by not coming out of the deadline with a #2 pitcher. On the other hand, it’s no biggie if the Rockies don’t get what they want – if they don’t, they will hold onto Jimenez and still have a very good pitcher
That would have been a nice play. Way to hustle, Tex.
# tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Bartolo is definitely come=back player of the year.
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LOL!!!!! & where does that leave Ellsbury
MG July 30th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
the thing about Colon that gives me confidence he can pitch through the season without a serious arm or elbow injury is that he throws under control and is able to crank it up in spots during the game.
He isn’t all out on every pitch, that means there is less stress on his throwing arm than someone who is all out all the time.
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Good point, he’s 91-93 until somebody gets on base, then he’s at 95-97 mph. BA against him about .280 with nobody on base, and .250 when runners get on. Bartolo is smart, and he knows what he’s doing. I would stack him up against Lester or Beckett, and not have any second thoughts about it, regardless of the outcome.
The strike zone is getting very wide for Tillman
# Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Bartolo is definitely come=back player of the year.
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No doubt.
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really you two ought to get a room
Joeman,
Right where he should be, Boston.
Warning track power for Swisher
# tomingeorgia July 30th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Joeman,
Right where he should be, Boston.
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and not comeback player of the year ? the kid is going to get MVP votes
“LOL!!!!! & where does that leave Ellsbury”
Not the winner of the award?
it seems like yesterday that this blog had relegated Swish to a platoon player because he couldn’t hit right handed pitching.
‘doesn’t care’, ‘Hollywood Nick’, yadda, yadda, yadda.
it’s no surprise to anyone who knows baseball that these things even out, Swish has probably been the Yankees best hitter for the past month or so…
Cano really has to work with Long. He has to have a game plan at the plate and focus a little more. He has to too much talent to be swinging like a crazy man.
There’s a very fine line that needs to be crossed for these deals to get done. Which is why there aren’t a lot of big trades.
I really believe that the Rockies are motivated to move Ubaldo. I don’t know why, but I think they are.
The Yankees, with all our troubles with Hughes and if you want, AJ, are still a good team.
What other #2 besides Jiminez are out there? None. Which is why we are engaged in a game of chicken with the Rockies.
I think Cash is trying to steal him from the Rockies. Because he really doesn’t have much to lose. We just turn to Bartolo as our #2 if a deal for Ubaldo doesn’t get done.
As we are about to enter August, Cervelli begins to show why he is ready to put this team on his back and carry us the rest of the way to the WS.
TroyRenck Angels have interest in betancourt. Wigginton could go to bosox or Yankees. Giambi to Philly possible as well
# Nick in SF July 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
“LOL!!!!! & where does that leave Ellsbury”
Not the winner of the award?
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and who is it going to be
Ellsbury will probably win that award but my vote would be for Bartolo. People thought he’d never even pitch in the big leagues again let alone put up these numbers. Ellsbury is supposed to do this but had the pain tolerance of a 3 year old last year.
Baseball is a constant game of adjustments for pitchers and hitters.
Right now Cano is chasing high fastballs out of the zone and the pitchers know it.
He’ll adjust and stop chasing them and his average will be back above .300 before the end of the season, even with the issue he’s just below .290.
just missed!
Joeman,
Whose return to form is more astonishing, Ellsbury or Colon? As you said, the kid probably will get some MVP votes. Why not? But for Colon to produce as he has is a godsend.
I hope Chavez can stay healthy…he can hit.
Kay buys himself time with, “If it’s a fair ball, it’s trouble!”
Bartolo deserves it, hasn’t been a starter since when? Minor league contract. Bullpen to stalwart in the rotation?
But Gammons will be working the hallways, stumping for Ellsbury.
“and who is it going to be”
I thinkin Colon winning it was the premise here.
If Chavez can stay healthy, he could be such a big lft to this club wiht ARod out.
I get pretty apprehensive when Chavez has to run the bases.
M, if the Yankees are trying to win a WS, it is a big deal to them. I love Colon, but I have no idea if he can hold up or how he’d do in the playoffs. However, let’s say we assume he’s fine – we’re talking about going forward, beyond this year. Not getting a pitcher like Jimenez will sting – even if the non-move is the right one for now. I guess we’d have to wait and see how things play out over the next few years to see if a non-move will have proven worth it.
If Chavez can stay healthy, he could be such a big lft to this club wiht ARod out.
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And a good DH when Arod comes back
But Gammons will be working the hallways, stumping for Ellsbury.
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I always figured him more as a closet guy….
# Nick in SF July 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
“and who is it going to be”
I thinkin Colon winning it was the premise here.
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yep
Nick in SF July 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
“and who is it going to be”
I thinkin Colon winning it was the premise here.
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Oh, I agree a non-move will sting.
But Cash’s options are truly limited.
And to be fair, Cash is right. Ubaldo is no ace in this league. Too high a price.
Personally? I would give up Montero and Nova +. But Montero would hurt.
These guys all can contribute, but we really can’t keep them all.
Betsy,
Isn’t that the same as every deal for prospects versus major leaguers?
Dickerson looks good today, besides the bunt lol
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
If Chavez can stay healthy, he could be such a big lft to this club wiht ARod out.
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it’s beyond that, if he stays healthy he’s exactly the kind of bat a contender picks up at the trade deadline to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Posada seems to be swinging the bat really well from the left side, if that continues then Chavez really gives them strength off the bench; it not, he’s a great choice for the DH role and better than pretty much anything they can get from another team.
Nice game for Dickerson, making a bid for more playing time.
If Chavez proved that he could stay healthy during his career, he wouldn’t be the backup 3rd baseman on the Yanks haha. He is extremely talented, solid hitter, great fielder. Loved him on Oakland and so happy he’s a Yank. It’s a shame that injuries have derailed him so much…
Look at him being all Dickerson-ish and stealing that base…good game kid!
An Early Look at Comeback Player of the Year
by Paul Swydan – July 22, 2011…Fangraphs
If it seems as though there are a lot of candidates for Comeback Player of the Year, it’s because there are. I don’t usually get too worked up about awards season, but Comeback Player of the Year always seems so vaguely defined that I thought today we would try to take an objective look at it.
Player ’10 WAR ’11 WAR Diff
Jacoby Ellsbury -0.1 5.0 5.1
Matt Kemp 0.3 4.7 4.4
Melky Cabrera -1.0 3.2 4.2
Alex Gordon -0.4 3.4 3.8
Casey Kotchman -1.5 2.2 3.7
J. Zimmermann -0.2 3.3 3.5
Carlos Beltran 0.8 3.9 3.1
Carlos Quentin -0.1 2.9 3.0
Asdr. Cabrera 0.7 3.6 2.9
Todd Helton 0.0 2.9 2.9
Jhonny Peralta 0.8 3.5 2.7
Ryan Roberts -0.1 2.6 2.7
Aramis Ramirez 0.3 2.7 2.4
Howie Kendrick 1.8 4.1 2.3
Cameron Maybin 0.7 3.0 2.3
Daniel Murphy DNP 2.3 2.3
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
If Chavez can stay healthy, he could be such a big lft to this club wiht ARod out.
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it’s beyond that, if he stays healthy he’s exactly the kind of bat a contender picks up at the trade deadline to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Posada seems to be swinging the bat really well from the left side, if that continues then Chavez really gives them strength off the bench; it not, he’s a great choice for the DH role and better than pretty much anything they can get from another team.
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All true. But he’s seems so injury-prone. What are the odds that ALL 3 of our reclamation projects this ear (Colon, Garcia, AND chvez could ALL pay big dividends this year?
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
“better than pretty much anything they can get from another team.”
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I still would like to see Matsui picked up for DH…another bat for the bench…
m July 30th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Oh, I agree a non-move will sting.
But Cash’s options are truly limited.
And to be fair, Cash is right. Ubaldo is no ace in this league. Too high a price.
Personally? I would give up Montero and Nova +. But Montero would hurt.
These guys all can contribute, but we really can’t keep them all.
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The parity found in baseball these days has really changed the dynamics of the trade deadline. So many teams still feel like they have a shot at even the wildcard, that they aren’t willing to part with these guys for anything less than an overpayment. With the packages being thrown out there, I don’t really want Ubaldo. He’d improve the Yanks but losing Montero and others for him would hurt the team badly long term imo.
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
If Chavez can stay healthy, he could be such a big lft to this club wiht ARod out.
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it’s beyond that, if he stays healthy he’s exactly the kind of bat a contender picks up at the trade deadline to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Posada seems to be swinging the bat really well from the left side, if that continues then Chavez really gives them strength off the bench; it not, he’s a great choice for the DH role and better than pretty much anything they can get from another team.
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All true. But he’s seems so injury-prone. What are the odds that ALL 3 of our reclamation projects this ear (Colon, Garcia, AND Chavez) could ALL pay big dividends this year?
Eric Dickerson’s reward is getting sent down. Maybe Andruw Jones can be DFA’d to make room for Nova’s start tonight.
Joeman,
What, exactly, was Colon’s WAR last year? He came back from the dead!
M, yep – and until we develop our own, we are going to go through this every year.
How was Ellsbury’s WAR so bad last year? Wasn’t he injured/not playing? Was his bad play do to injury or just bad play?
GordonEdes Sox still in on Jimenez–another NY/Bos battle. If they don’t get him, they’ll have driven up price. Bedard also remains in play#trades
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Oh please they don’t have any good prospects to trade
And to be fair, Cash is right. Ubaldo is no ace in this league. Too high a price.
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Is Lester an ace?
Bedard in play for the Sox? Good news!
Joelsherman1 I have asked no fewer than 10 exec/scouts not working for #Yankees #Rockies is Jimenez an AL East ace and yet to hear 1 yes (cont)
Joelsherman1 Hence the dilemma #Rockies selling like ace, #Yankees not believing that is who he is, especially if has to move to AL East
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
And to be fair, Cash is right. Ubaldo is no ace in this league. Too high a price.
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Is Lester an ace?
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Point?
LGY,
I think Lester is an ace even though Beckett has taken back the title this year.
i don;t think there’s any way on earth that the yankees can dfa jones. cashman could never get a veteran to agree to a bench role ever again
although if we hold on to monetero and he comes up to the big club, in effect it’s the same result
JeffPassan Royals trade Mike Aviles to Red Sox for Yamaico Navarro and Kendal Volz.
Oh, No. the season is over and so is life. Red Sox get the steal of the century by cheating KC out of Mike Aviles.
8 runs in five innings from this lineup. I’m gobsmacked…but pleasantly so.
Lester is an ace and he has been the Sox’ ace for several years; He’s still the lead dog there in general because Beckett, while brilliant this year, is up and down.
2008-2010 (Age 24-26 seasons)
Ubaldo: 638.1 IP, 3.43 ERA, 137 ERA+, 16.3 fWAR
Lester: 621.1 IP, 3.29 ERA, 139 ERA+, 17 fWAR
With Cervelli surprising all of us and hitting well for the last month and the Yankees comfortably in front in the Wild Card it’s most likely that Montero will be a September callup, if he rakes in September he could be on the post season roster.
DAM Mike Aviles good hitter speed util guy.Yankees lost out on a good player.Yankees will make no moves watch
Well the Rockies can value Jimenez as highly as they want since they don’t have to trade him. They are in the position of power, so if the other teams don’t value Jimenez the way they do, then the guy stays there and the Rockies will have a very good pitcher on a very good deal.
Mike Aviles isn’t a bad player but is he just going to serve a utility role in Boston?
A 3.29 ERA in the AL, esp. the AL East, is pretty phenomenal
Would you take Lester or Ubaldo, LGY? Eyeball test.
m July 30th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
LGY,
I think Lester is an ace even though Beckett has taken back the title this year.
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I fully expected Beckett to reclaim the ace hole…
Oh wait, just checked notes…I fully expected Beckett to reclaim the a55hole role. Sorry.
Boston media selling that Sox interest is driving up the price of Ubaldo for Yanks.
I think Ubaldo for the Yanks is like a trip to Vegas. You figure out before you get there how much you can afford to lose and leave the rest at home so you don’t get caught up in the excitement of the moment.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
2008-2010 (Age 24-26 seasons)
Ubaldo: 638.1 IP, 3.43 ERA, 137 ERA+, 16.3 fWAR
Lester: 621.1 IP, 3.29 ERA, 139 ERA+, 17 fWAR
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Ubaldo: NL
Lester: AL
Add a conservative 1/2 run to U’s ERA.
Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Mike Aviles isn’t a bad player but is he just going to serve a utility role in Boston?
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That means that Lowrie is hurt more than Boston is letting on. Epstein is lying to the media and the fans again.
Captain Clutch July 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
JeffPassan Royals trade Mike Aviles to Red Sox for Yamaico Navarro and Kendal Volz.
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Surprised RS gave up on 2 future HOFers so soon.
Well the Rockies can value Jimenez as highly as they want since they don’t have to trade him. They are in the position of power,
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What position is that? Power is when you have something others want.
Lester interleague: 9-4, 2.82 ERA
Ubaldo interleague: 6-4, 4.08 ERA
Ubaldo: NL/West
Lester: AL/East
FTFY.
Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Lester interleague: 9-4, 2.82 ERA
Ubaldo interleague: 6-4, 4.08 ERA
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Obviously, this is based on a small sample.
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Mike Aviles isn’t a bad player but is he just going to serve a utility role in Boston?
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That means that Lowrie is hurt more than Boston is letting on. Epstein is lying to the media and the fans again.
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Sounds right. I like Aviles as a utility guy…some SS when needed…
Good thing Chevez’ back isn’t stiff, never would have caught that one with a stiff back.
Aviles is exactly the kind of player this blog would hate watching every day-rarely walks, no power, had a good year in 2010 but is at .222 this year and 31 years old. There would be no spot for him on the Yankees, he is a significant downgrade to Chavez and Nunez off the bench.
If I’m pitching against Vlad Guerrero, my first pitch to him is 55 feet, let him go cricket on me for a hit if he likes…
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Aviles is exactly the kind of player this blog would hate watching every day-rarely walks, no power, had a good year in 2010 but is at .222 this year and 31 years old. There would be no spot for him on the Yankees, he is a significant downgrade to Chavez and Nunez off the bench.
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True…but still a decent pick up for RS
SI_JonHeyman 17 mins #chisox telling teams john danks is not available. makes sense. they are only 2 out in L column. #tradedeadline
As far as Ubaldo……the Rockies are in deep in this now. I think they want to trade him…..just a matter of which side walks away now. The Yanks ultimately pass or the Rockies decide to.keep him……or another team steps up.
Yay offense today!
Ubaldo’s opponen’s this season have amassed a .741 OPS (not what opponents have hit off him, but what those batters statistics are on the season)
Jon Lester’s opponents this season have amassed a .749 OPS.
People overrate the AL East for Boston and Yankee pitchers. It is really tough for Rays, Orioles, and Jays pitchers. If you are a Boston or Yankee pitcher you don’t have to face 1 of the best offenses in the league.
Hey, Posada flashing the leather.
Wade continues to earn respect
It’s hard to believe that a couple of innings ago, this game looked like it was in jeopardy. All of a sudden, it’s a blowout. Baseball is a funny game.
Amazing what a difference in here when Yankees have lead versus when they are trailing. When the team trails, I usually find more intellectually stimulating conversation playing Angry Birds.
`amazing what a few singles here and there does for the offense
Opponent OPS:
2010:
Ubaldo: .761
Lester: .759
2009:
Ubaldo: .770
Lester: .789
2008:
Ubaldo: .786
Lester: .772
amazing i didnt see your amazing comment both delivered at the exact same time
I am so sick of “never. never. NEVER.” commercials.
BoJo July 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Wade continues to earn respect
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Wade’s the kind of guy every team needs in the ‘pen-he can go a couple of innings or come in a get one out with the change.
A good pickup for the Yankees for nothing, the Rays are probably kicking themselves for not bringing him up considering their bullpen is in shambles.
I still take Lester over Ubaldo. And it kills me to say that.
AL East has some of the cozier parks. It’s not that easy pitching in them, no matter who’s on the other side.
And using your logic, the Jays are tough to pitch against. Well tough for us, they seem to roll over for the Sox.
blake,
i don’t think the yankees will blink. in all honesty, they already would have made this deal if they thought he could be an ace. if he’s a #2 in cash’s mind, the deal is going to have to be on the yankees terms.
i also don’t see another team trading an ‘ace’ level package
Lester is tremendous – it’s hard to knock the guy.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Ubaldo’s opponen’s this season have amassed a .741 OPS (not what opponents have hit off him, but what those batters statistics are on the season)
Jon Lester’s opponents this season have amassed a .749 OPS.
People overrate the AL East for Boston and Yankee pitchers. It is really tough for Rays, Orioles, and Jays pitchers. If you are a Boston or Yankee pitcher you don’t have to face 1 of the best offenses in the league.
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Good point. However, the fact remains that it is extremely difficult to compare NL and AL pitchers, because of the differences in opposition and the DH rule is a huge factor. Ubaldo may stack up well against Lester in the AL, but it remains to be seen. I think inflating Jimenez’s ERA by at least 10 percent would be a reasonable forecast of what we could expect from him in the AL.
We’ll have to wait until Ubaldo gets here to settle this one. We’ll see if he can equal Lester’s achievements here.
I know one thing, Lester would kill it in the NL.
TBrownYahoo Source: Yankees have inquired on Minnesota’s Span. Reax: Could be part of something bigger.
Kd,
I.don’t think they will either…. will the Rockies? Ir.will they find.middle ground …..TBD
you can never predict baseball-Teix and Cano have killed Tillman in their careers, they do nothing today and the bottom of the order (Swish, Posada, Chavez, Dickerson and Cervelli) carry the load and put up an 8 spot.
Ubaldo pitches in the toughest ballpark in MLB.
Not only does it inflate hits and HRs but it affects the quality of pitches.
KD, I agree……I really don’t think Jimenez is going anywhere; I don’t think the Rockies are at all desperate to trade him. Going this far into it, though, you have to wonder what’s up with him? Why would a team with a young, high-end type of pitcher on a great deal even look to deal him? Teams don’t do that with their young studs……….
Cano may need a day off. That makes him something like 3 for his last 23.
Another Brooks Reynolds special
Id rather have Lester….but Ubaldo is better than a lot of folks give him.credit for.
OPS runs scored, i.e., while OPS may be a good predictor of runs scored, it is not the same as runs scored.
boy, Reynolds is one bad 3rd baseman, he’s the last guy I’d want on my team.
I have no doubt Ubaldo could pitch in this league and this division. But I disagree that he’s on par with Lester. I look forward to him proving me wrong should he arrive in the Bronx however.
Tim Brown
Source: Yankees have inquired on Minnesota’s Span. Reax: Could be part of something bigger.
6 minutes ago via web
i’d rather have lester. he’s left handed and has shown he can handle the al east.
my guess is that ubaldo gets moved in the offseason and signs a big extension
somewhere in Baltimore, Brooks Robinson watches the current day O’s and figures he could do a better job than Reynolds out there even at age 74…
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Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
OPS does not equal runs scored, i.e., while OPS may be a good predictor of runs scored, it is not the same as runs scored.
Coors affects stamina, breaking pitches and the outfield is huge…….which means hits fall in but unlike Petco or.somewhere guys can still hit it out because of the altitude. The humidor helps but still a really tough place to have success as a pitcher.
Blake, the Yankees seem to like Jimenez with reservations…………my guess is Montero is holding it up. I would imagine they’d be ok with dealing Betances, but not he, Montero and Nova. If they really thought Jimenez was as good as Lester, they’d make that deal in a heartbeat, but they don’t.
Does anyone else hate the radio ad for Jeter “being inducted ito the 3000 hit club?” That phrasing just makes me smh. Inducted?
I think Jimenez would be just fine in the AL East – I’ve no doubts about that.
Wade pitching more than 2 innings makes you wonder whether he’s the guy being optioned to make room for Nova in the 2nd game…
I’ll give you guys that Coors is tough on pitchers.
But I still maintain that an AL East pitcher faces some of the best hitters even if they’re not on the best teams. Tampa being the exception. They only have 1 good hitter.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Source on Heath Bell and #Rangers: “Still talking.” #Padres
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BoJo July 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Does anyone else hate the radio ad for Jeter “being inducted ito the 3000 hit club?” That phrasing just makes me smh. Inducted?
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badly English
It’s weird that Girardi is stretching Wade out this much
part of the reason for all this ‘talk’ between teams is the GMs showing they are doing their jobs.
It doesn’t cost anything for them to get on the phone together and exchange ideas that will never work for either of them and then leak the conversation to the media.
m July 30th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
I’ll give you guys that Coors is tough on pitchers.
But I still maintain that an AL East pitcher faces some of the best hitters even if they’re not on the best teams. Tampa being the exception. They only have 1 good hitter.
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Coors is one good point in UJ’s favor. The other good point is the fact that Red Sox pitchers don’t have to face the RS (just as Yankees pitchers don’t have to face the Yanks). Still the DH is a big influence and it affects every single game…
the last thing a GM is going to do is leak a deal that is about to happen, that’s completely irresponsible. So the more rumors you hear the less likely they will happen.
Wade is morphing into Aceves role?
I’m not sure if Ubaldo would be better for the Yankees than Lester is for the Sox.
I’m just trying to point out that Ubaldo is better than people are giving him credit for as long as his struggles this season are just a blip of the radar because of his injuries earlier in the year and offseason workout program.
From 2008-2010 he is comparable to most pitchers in MLB that people consider Aces.
I know Lester would be a good fit for the Yankees because left handed pitchers in YS are always a plus and he is safer bet right now, but at the same time I believe Ubaldo has more upside of the two.
I don’t think the Rockies asking price is outrageous. Its apparently come down to Nova and two from Montero, Banuelos, and Betances. I don’t think that is unreasonable.
Great contribution from Wade.
You, too GW. Facing pitchers in nearly every game he pitches is not insignificant.
AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
Could that bigger thing be F. Liriano? We talked to a source who says the Twins considered themselves more buyer than sellers. #trades
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MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
the last thing a GM is going to do is leak a deal that is about to happen, that’s completely irresponsible. So the more rumors you hear the less likely they will happen.
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Exactly..when was the last time Cashman made a trade that we heard rumors about before hand?
I like Span a lot. I think he’d fit in well with the club. I don’t know his numbers this year but I remember he usually hit for a pretty high average which is something this team needs. Not a superstar but just a consistent hitter.
Ayala to close it out? 2 games in less than 24 hours, and the Yanks only had to use 4 pitchers. Not bad.
Wade was a nice pick-up.
BoJo July 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
the last thing a GM is going to do is leak a deal that is about to happen, that’s completely irresponsible. So the more rumors you hear the less likely they will happen.
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Exactly..when was the last time Cashman made a trade that we heard rumors about before hand?
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I never heard any rumors about Berkman, Hairston, Justice, etc. Cash only tells the press what he wants them to hear.
Need a bigger bat than Span. Get Thome
Also Ubaldo has an epic name while Lester’s parents don’t even know how to spell John
GW–And the trades we hear rumors about never go down…just Cashman sending out false messages. I suspect Jimenez is not coming here.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
If #Yankees trying on Span wouldn’t be surprised if was to flip to #Nationals (who want Span) for Clippard, a RH good vs LHs (.181 BA)
Ubaldo sounds like an Italian guy that has lost his hair.
Just a guess but, Corey Wade heads to Scranton for 10 days to get Nova on the roster. Hee’s not pitching for the nect 4 days at least.
maybe the yankees are setting up a deal for liriano to drive the price down on jiminez
liriano would be a nice addition to the rotation. he’d be a perfect #3
GB, I posted the same thing about 15 minutes ago, I’m guessing that’s the case or Noesi would have pitched those 3 innings and been optioned.
LGY…….Ubaldo is on the brink of being a top tier pitcher and being The Yanks could be the benefactors of this ascent…….I still think this gets worked out because as good as the rotation has been thus far for the most part in 2011, there is no way that it’ll survive 3 rounds come October even with a fortified bullpen…….The Brothers Steinbrenner are laying out 50 million dollars for the services of Alex, Derek & Mariano for a few more years and they want another shot at another Championship Banner to show for it……..Cashman will make the deal because they want to….Right now it just might be a case of Cashman trying to work the best deal he can……
kd July 30th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
maybe the yankees are setting up a deal for liriano to drive the price down on jiminez
liriano would be a nice addition to the rotation. he’d be a perfect #3
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I thought that the idea was to get a sure-fire number 2? It seems to me that we have a plethora of very good and pitchers, but only one great one.
AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
Liriano is 6-7 with a 4.67 ERA. But maybe Yankees like him for post-season. #Speculation. #trades
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So, Logan is burned for the second game? Good thing or bad?
Sorry, Mg. Didn’t see it. We’ll know for sure if Noesi has to go more than 3 innings in game #2. It will be one or the other. Only other option is sending down dickerson and going with 4 outfielders.
Logan gets a bad rap on this forum.
People that are complaining about the Ubaldo price tag are going to laugh themselves to death if we ever find out what Minnesota wants for Liriano.
Not sure where span would play on the Yankees…..get him and.flip him to the Braves for something useful.
waka flocka July 30th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
People that are complaining about the Ubaldo price tag are going to laugh themselves to death if we ever find out what Minnesota wants for Liriano.
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It can’t be as bad as Seattle’s demands for Bedard. They’re dreaming or they’re not serious. The deals that have happened so far this year have all been pretty modest. Even the Phils didn’t give up that much to get Pence (the big prize of the deadline deals this year).
waka,
Once upon a time I would agree with you. But if nobody is biting on Ubaldo, Minnesota can’t expect to get more. On top of that, the Twins could swoop in and scoop up what the Yankees ARE willing do deal away.
Wade did a very nice job of keeping the O’s down.
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
you can never predict baseball-Teix and Cano have killed Tillman in their careers, they do nothing today and the bottom of the order (Swish, Posada, Chavez, Dickerson and Cervelli) carry the load and put up an 8 spot.
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I guess Gardner’s 2 rbi’s don’t count.
Pat M,
If they get Ubaldo…..will it be because the Yankees caved or because the Rockies caved?
i think that liriano could really stabilize that yankee rotation and allow cashman to use nova for a bat
maybe romine and corbin for liriano
In case GB is slipping up on his job:), Bichette was 3-4 within HR today.
They can have Betances and Banuelos, just stay away from Little Dante.
If you have kids, hide their eyes. Either the pitch or the swing ain’t gonna be pretty
austinmac July 30th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
In case GB is slipping up on his job:), Bichette was 3-4 within HR today.
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Impressive walks and run production for an 18 year old just out of high school. He’s also hitting clean-up.
Logan is just awful
Ghostwriter,
Yeah I doubt Seattle is serious about dealing Bedard. For some reason he seems to enjoy it out there, wants to stay, and its unlikely anyone would overwhelm the Mariners for an injury plagued starter.
RT @SI_JonHeyman: price on ubaldo down a tad. #rockies not asking for banuelos now. betances, montero, nova would work. nyy still says no.
TweetDeck • 7/30/11 4:08 PM
Ugh, the Butterfly Effect from just having Mo warm up could lead to the disbanding of the Yankee franchise, or worse.
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Oh, No. the season is over and so is life. Red Sox get the steal of the century by cheating KC out of Mike Aviles.
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What do you mean steal?
Navarro was their 12th rated Mil player.
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Oh, No. the season is over and so is life. Red Sox get the steal of the century by cheating KC out of Mike Aviles.
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What do you mean steal?
Navarro was their 12th rated Mil player.
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and #387 in MLB.
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
MG July 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
you can never predict baseball-Teix and Cano have killed Tillman in their careers, they do nothing today and the bottom of the order (Swish, Posada, Chavez, Dickerson and Cervelli) carry the load and put up an 8 spot.
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I guess Gardner’s 2 rbi’s don’t count.
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excuse me for leaving out anything Gardner does on this blog. The players I listed went 10-19 with 6 runs scored and 6 RBI, Gardner had an infield hit for 2 RBI’s that Reynolds should have put in his pocket and thrown him out.
Is the Yankees interest in Denard Span possibility related to Yankees maybe putting Gardner in Ubaldo Jimenez package or to maybe interest the Athletics for Gio Gonzalez?
NY needs a good size lead and keep Markasis’ bat from being a late inning influence.
GB7
You need to recharge your sarcasm reader.
I would rather get Liriano and keep Montero and Betances if that we’re possible.
Why go after span when they can get the great David Dejesus?
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
GB7
You need to recharge your sarcasm reader.
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I knew you were just being snarky. I just wanted to be “The Great White Snark”.
RT @SI_JonHeyman: price on ubaldo down a tad. #rockies not asking for banuelos now. betances, montero, nova would work. nyy still says no.
TweetDeck • 7/30/11 4:08 PM
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Uh, I thought it was already established that Banuelos was untouchable?
This is not down.
Montero sucks and won’t be a catcher, they should go for Romine.
Now, Henman is just copying from Sherman’s blog.
MG
excuse me for leaving out anything Gardner does on this blog. The players I listed went 10-19 with 6 runs scored and 6 RBI, Gardner had an infield hit for 2 RBI’s that Reynolds should have put in his pocket and thrown him out.
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You were giving credit of 8 rbi’s to those that drove in 6.
Gardner takes his share of criticism here so when he deserves some credit(even if you think he didn’t derserve it) I don’t like to ignore his contributions.
just to irritate Bret the Yankees should trade for both David DeJesus and Soria then immediately move them in a deal for someone that hasn’t been discussed at all in trade rumors.
I”m thinking that would bring a smile to Nick’s face even if it doesn’t get him the 25 smackers…
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
GB7
You need to recharge your sarcasm reader.
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I knew you were just being snarky. I just wanted to be “The Great White Snark”.
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I should’ve known you wasn’t just sitting there drooling on the keyboard.
Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 am
As soon as I see people say seattle made a good deal I stop reading.
Trading Choo
Trading Adam Jones
Trading Morrow
Trading Lee and getting a poor return
Yea some GM they got over there
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Just to clarify ~ Choo and Jones were traded by Bavasi, not JZ
Many don’t believe in acquiring a reliever for a starter but, as bad as the M’s record is this season, just think how bad it would have been without interim closer League’s 23 saves before the break.
A bit too early to evaluate the Lee trade….
Smoak, obviously the centerpiece, has struggled of late (after getting off to a great start this season) but still has less than 700 major league ABs over two seasons. Not to make excuses, but he’s also been trying to get used to life without his father, who he lost early in the season. Beavan has been a nice addition to the rotation so far (granted a very SSS) and Lueke, after a rough go with the big club to start the season was sent down and ended up making the AAA All Star team and is now back in the M’s pen.
As for the most recent deal, here’s a take on the players acquired…
http://tinyurl.com/3nsldjq
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
GB7
You need to recharge your sarcasm reader.
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I knew you were just being snarky. I just wanted to be “The Great White Snark”.
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I should’ve known you wasn’t just sitting there drooling on the keyboard.
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That would be Randy.
Maine:
A) I never criticize a Yankees player
B) Gardner gets more proportional compliments on the this blog than any other Yankees player (proportional means in relation to his performance)
C) You missed my point, which is you can’t predict baseball and that the bottom of the order won this game when this blog was complaining about the batting order before the game.
MG
I wasn’t trying to start a disagreement.
Just trying to give credit where it was due.
I’m not sure I agree with B but it’s no big deal.
“I”m thinking that would bring a smile to Nick’s face even if it doesn’t get him the 25 smackers…”
I would not take joy in Bret’s emotional suffering. I would take joy in the fulfillment of his obligation to me, however. This topic is irksome.
Also irksome is how Maine Yankee only praises Gardner for his offense and not his fine defense today.
Maine, no problem, it’s fine…
Nick,
Is that $25 owed to you because Bret was predictably wrong on the Yanks signing Crawford?
So not only does Bret suck at playing GM but he sucks at paying his debts too, huh?
That was the subject of the wager, yes.
I don’t want to join in beating up on Bret because I still have confidence that he will settle up soon.
Fun with Mariners stats….
Only two players on Mariners have higher slugging percentage than Casper Wells’s…
.451: Ackley (.508) and Doug Fister (.500)
I don’t want to further irk Nick but he’s obviously not originally from NY, a NYer would revel in the opportunity to torture Bret much more than getting the 25 bucks…
Having said that, Bret should have paid the debt a long time ago for whatever it was, that’s just wrong.
I am originally from New York, but I might not have spent enough time outside of Greenwich Village.
Joelsherman1: In news that will surprise no one, there will be a #Rockies scout at Stadium tonite to watch Nova #Yankees #Ubaldo
Does Ubaldo have options left? Could he slot into Nova’s next start in Scranton?
LGY, can you skype on your android phone?
Nick in SF
Also irksome is how Maine Yankee only praises Gardner for his offense and not his fine defense today
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That stop being a subject of discussion when most had to admit he was a potential GG outfielder.
Thank the Lord, less than 24 hours to the TD.
rumor has it that the Yankees really want to upgrade their Trenton rotation for the playoff run and will exchange both B’s in exchange for Jimenez, who will slot into the Thunder rotation until the end of the minor league season.
Nick
I believe so. Thanks for bringing that up actually because I completely forgot that I could download skype to my phone.
I’m downloading it now so I will let you know if it works.
If it does work, can you set up a conference skype with various LoHudders with questionable identities?
Sure, why not
Although I don’t think I want to put a face to the WCYF/Vineyard Yankee handle.
bottom of the order came up big in game 1…
wade is a g-dsend and he is 27….
liriano makes more sense then jimenez becasue he is a lefty….
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LGY July 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Sure, why not
Although I don’t think I want to put a face to the WCYF/Vineyard Yankee handle.
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Josh Norris
In his last 10 games, Bichette: .619/.660/1.024/1.684, six doubles, a triple, three home runs, 21 RBIs, 4 BBs, 5 Ks.
He’s had multiple hits in nine of those last ten games.
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Regardless of the league, that’s impressive
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Other teams believe that the Rockies’ best chance, for making a Ubaldo Jimenez deal, is with the Cleveland Indians. #trades
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LGY July 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Sure, why not
Although I don’t think I want to put a face to the WCYF/Vineyard Yankee handle.
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LGY I have a great idea. Why don’t we both put up $5,000 and we’ll do a Skype, or maybe Pat M. or someone else in So Cal can come over to my home. We’ll also do a Skype with Bpbby and I.
Come on big mouth. I am calling you on your garbage.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Worth noting Jimenez’s contract is structured the same way the contracts of other CLE players has been in past, including Carmona. #trades
Even better, get one of your “Hollywood friends” visit your palatial estate on the ocean.
Hold your horses WC.
I have not yet confirmed that skype does indeed work on my phone.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
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here is some clarification on the WCYF/VY postings: while there may be 2 actual people, VY gives the other one access to his account, that explains the almost simultaneous posts, the occasional faus pax in posting under the wrong account, etc, etc, etc.
At the end of the day, who cares, both of them have exposed themselves as liars to anyone who has a clue.
‘faux pas’, I hate misspelling things…
MG July 30th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
here is some clarification on the WCYF/VY postings: while there may be 2 actual people, VY gives the other one access to his account, that explains the almost simultaneous posts, the occasional faus pax in posting under the wrong account, etc, etc, etc.
At the end of the day, who cares, both of them have exposed themselves as liars to anyone who has a clue.
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Actually, this is what I have believed for a long time.
Well Blojo and MG you are both liars and idiots as we are two different people and we do not have access to each other’s account.
The $5,000 bet is open to anyone who cares to put their money where their mouth is.
I am surprised you have the guts to show your face here again Blojo after falsely accusing both 86 and Luis of being C R 9.
How did those phone calls go to the editors WC? My sources say they are well aware of what an idiot you are….
waka floka: “I don’t think the Rockies asking price is outrageous. Its apparently come down to Nova and two from Montero, Banuelos, and Betances. I don’t think that is unreasonable.”
for a pitcher who is 6-9 with a 4.20 era in the NL West?
let me repeat: 6-9 with a 4.20 era. in the NL West.
He had a phenomenal first half. In 2010. Since then, he has been mediocre. And they want 3 of our best prospects for him, if you count Nova as a prospect, which he is, basically, albeit one with some ML success.
IMO, the Yanks would have to be insane to make this deal. Maybe for Nova and one of the three others, not two.