Game 105: Yankees vs. Orioles (nightcap)
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2011 
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Yankees lineup
1. Derek Jeter SS
2. Curtis Granderson CF
3. Mark Teixeira 1B
4. Robinson Cano 2B
5. Nick Swisher DH
6. Andruw Jones RF
7. Russell Martin C
8. Eduardo Nunez 3B
9. Brett Gardner LF
Ivan Nova RHP
Orioles lineup
1. J.J. Hardy SS
2. Nick Markakis RF
3. Adam Jones CF
4. Vladimir Guerrero DH
5. Mark Reynolds 1B
6. Matt Wieters C
7. Nolan Reimold LF
8. Josh Bell 3B
9. Robert Andino 2B
Zach Britton LHP
TV/Time: YES/7:07
Umpires: Andy Fletcher HP, Jim Reynolds 1B, Mike DiMuro 2B, Mike Estabrook 3B
Weather: Clear, 87
Tough cut: Poor Chris Dickerson. He goes 2 for 4 with a stolen base in the first game and then gets sent to Triple-A to make room for Nova. Dickerson goes down batting .321 (9 for 28) with four RBI.
Cold Birds: The Orioles won the first game in the series, but after losing the first game of the twinbill, they have dropped three of their last four, six of nine and 16 of 21.
Update, 7:22: Nova needed 30 pitches to get through a scoreless first. Gardner bailed him out with a sliding catch with two outs and the bases loaded on two singles and a walk.
Update, 7:34: RBI single for Cano, 1-0.
Update, 7:37: Swisher gets an RBI after Hardy bobbles his bouncer to short and throws late to first, 2-0.
Update, 7:39: Andruw Jones hammered that ball, RBI double to the base of the fence in left-center. Second and third, one out, 3-0 already.
Update, 7:41: Martin lines an RBI single to right, 4-0. Britton, by the way, is just back up from Double-A Bowie. He pitched well against the Yankees in a May start, one unearned run allowed in seven innings.
Update, 7:42: RBI single through the middle for Nunez, 5-0. There’s warmup action in the Orioles’ pen. It’s righty Jason Berken.
Update, 7:46: Infield hit for Gardner, bases loaded. The Yankees have batted around, still one out.
Update, 7:48: Two-run single for Jeter, 7-0. Britton is done, 10 batters, one-third of an inning pitched.
Update, 7:54: Teixeira lines a two-run double into the right-field corner off Berken with two outs, 9-0.
Update, 7:59: Cano lines an RBI single to right-center, 10-0. Anyone have a white flag to hand the Orioles?
Update, 8:00: Swisher two-run homer to right, 12-0. Still the first inning.
Update, 8:04: It’s over. 16 batters, 12 runs, 10 hits. This marks the most runs ever scored by the Yankees in the first inning.
Update, 8:10: 1-2-3 second for Nova, nine pitches.
Update, 8:14: Triple for Nunez to leadoff the second. Here we go again?
Update, 8:15: RBI groundout for Gardner, 13-0.
Update, 8:21: Two-run double to left for Cano, 15-0.
Update, 8:32: It’s 15-1. Vlad Guerrero rips an RBI double in the third.
Update, 8:37: Quite a shot by Andruw Jones to open the third, homer to left-center. It’s 16-1.
Update, 8:49: 1-2-3 fourth for Nova.
Update, 8:52: Chris Jakubauskas is the new pitcher. Granderson greets him with a single to right.
Update, 9:05: Nova is cruising now, another 1-2-3 inning. He has allowed a run anf four hits through five. What should the Yankees do with him? Send him back to Triple-A. He belongs up here. He’s rookie, yet he’s going to have nine wins after this game. There still seems to be no room at the inn.
Update, 9:15: The Orioles have just traded reliever Koji Uehara and cash to Texas for infielder Chris Davis and starter Tommy Hunter.
Update, 9:17: Guerrero hits a solo shot to right-center, 16-2 in the sixth.
Update, 9:18: The Red Sox have acquired infielder Mike Aviles, the former Concordia standout, from the Royals.
Update, 9:20: Ubaldo Jimenez got pulled after one inning from his start with the Rockies. The rumor mill has him going to Cleveland. We’ll see.
Update, 9:30: RBI double for Cano, now has a career-high five hits. He’s coming out for a pinch runner, Cervelli. It’s 17-2. The Yankees have 20 hits. It’s the sixth inning.
Update, 9:41: 1-2-3 seventh for Nova, having an excellent game after a shaky first.
Update, 9:51: Career hit 3,020 for Jeter, ties Rafael Palmeiro for 24th on the all-time list. Bases loaded, one out in the seventh.
Update, 9:53: Granderson hits into a 1-2-3 double play. 17-2, heading for the eighth. Yankees have 22 hits. Luis Ayala is on to pitch. Nova allowed two runs and six hits over seven.
Update, 10:09: Mike Gonzalez got hit with a Teixeira liner here in the eighth and is coming out. Troy Patton will come on. It’s 17-3.
Update, 10:13: Rafael Soriano is warming up.
Update, 10:30: Soriano has a 1-2-3 ninth with two Ks. The Yankees finish with 24 hits. They win, 17-3, to finish the sweep.
jonmorosi
BULLETIN: Drew Pomeranz scratched from start at AA Akron. #Indians are known to be serious about Ubaldo Jimenez.
Hat tip to Cleveland. . .
you really have to give cashman and his team credit for drafting/signing all of the catchers that they have in their system. it’s a real strength of the system
I think cashman is spot on in not wanting to put montero with one of betances/banuelos in a package.
If i am cashman,i call them & offer montero,hughes,nunez & if it does not work,close the book on him.
Adams & laird replace nunez who is not good defensively,jimenez replaces hughes,so montero is the loss.
We have murphy,romine,sanchez to cover for montero.
Went to the first game today. Very nice weather, unless you?re directly in the sun for the whole time,
Bottom of the lineup really delivered. Chavez looks like a real pro, 2 months on the DL and looks like he hasn?t missed a day.
Betances and Nova for Jimenez. Although, their checking out Span makes me wonder if he could be part of the deal somehow. Don?t know Colorado?s needs for OF. But, Betances and Nova, nothing more. Detroit wasn?t giving them Porcello, Sherzer, Turner, and Boesch, why should Yanks get ripped?
Maybe Cleveland has a deal with someone else? Detroit didn’t bit on Colorado’s demands.
LGY…..I saw your question about making the trade for Ubaldo…..Man, ever since I heard last week that the clubs were talking about this my concern was no Banuelos and then find a way to hold onto Nova…..If push came to shove I’d make the deal…..Noesi spells Nova, Romine will give yo 70 % of Montero with better defense and of course Ubaldo will outshine Dellin….Tough decision, but it’s the only way the Yanks have a chance st going all the way in the next few years….Also it’s a selling point to CC
Montero with a 1st inning RBI single
Nova looks very sharp so far, hopefully he pitches well and then Cashman and Girardi have a decision to make on him taking Phil’s spot in the rotation. Hughes needs to actually work for something instead of getting it handed to him.
Looks like something might happen with colorado & the indians.
Darn cashman.
ron – agreed. The only thing about Montero is that he represents the only big bat (albeit a potential one) that the Yanks might have available for the stretch drive.
TroyRenck
Rox in serious talks w Indians. Hearing would center around pomeranz Alex white and kipnis
TroyRenck Rox in serious talks w Indians. Hearing would center around pomeranz Alex white and kipnis
Pat M. – I don’t think Cash will get outbid for Jimenez, unless Colo really overplays their hand – demanding all 4 of Montero, and those pitchers, for instance.
High stakes poker. Very high stakes.
“Nova looks very sharp so far, hopefully he pitches well and then Cashman and Girardi have a decision to make on him taking Phil’s spot in the rotation. Hughes needs to actually work for something instead of getting it handed to him.”
Agree 100%. He should have never been removed to begin with.
Betances and Nova for….
2012 Yankee rotation
TroyRenck
Rox in serious talks w Indians. Hearing would center around pomeranz Alex white and kipnis
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For those in the know – are these players the equal of what COL was demanding from us?
Nova’s performance will determine whether he goes to Colorado, or Noesi. Just a guess.
Looks like the Indians will land Ubaldo. yanks have no answer against a playoff caliber team’s number 2. I don’t trust Bartolo or AJ in that spot.
Noesi can fit into the rotation too….
Guys, don’t get depressed. Way to early.
Seems like Jimenez is off to Cleveland…………I can’t say I blame Cashman, but he really has to be right about these players.
Can’t wait to see Colon pitching in the playoffs as our number 2 .
Pitch count getting up high for the first inning.
After he reaches 600 homers, I think Thome will be placed on waivers, along with other hitters like that.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
As execs have believed all day, Indians appear to be team with best shot at Ubaldo. If Pomeranz in the trade, COL did well, says GM #trades
7 seconds ago
Joe, I do not believe Cashman will cave. I don’t know what the sticking point is – is it Nova? That’s silly. Nova and Montero? Nova, Montero and Betances? Is he willing to trade both? Well at least it appears that ownership is not pushing Cashman to make a deal
Nova is throwing too many pitches to put away batters
This is what happens when you have a pitcher than can’t miss bats.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
sources say cleveland engaged in serious talks with #rockies. lhp pomeranz was scratched for cleveland. a sign?
40 seconds ago
Throwing way too many pitches this inning. WAY TOO MANY.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Sources tell @Ken_Rosenthal and I that #Indians and #Rockies in serious talks about Jimenez deal. Pomeranz and White both in discussions
Eatin’ a lot of pitches up in the 1st inning
It’s understandable they wanted to see if Hughes had it back. He won 18 games for them last year & was great against Minnesota before tiring. They probably have enough information to restore Nova to the rotation.
Everyone who wants to dump Hughes will be singing a different tune when he gets his mojo back next season.
REZ12,
Pretty much. Pomeranz is 14th compared to Montero’s 8th and Kipnis is 31 compared to Betances who is 26
Nova missed the outside corner everytime he tried to hit it. Martin should of tried something else.
Nova in trouble already. That is a ton of pitches to start the game. He’ll be lucky to go 3 innings.
If he goes to Indians im happy. My only concern is losing montero and manban
Nice catch by Gardner
Nice play Gardner
Bad deal for Cle if they do it. IMO they aren’t legitimate contenders. Yankees,Sox and Rangers all beat them in a playoff series. Plus are they going to be able to resign him when he comes up for free agency?
Pomeranz might be rated high, but he is only in AA.
Hoot.
Manny is going nowhere…..
I think they have made that pretty clear (short of Felix)…
I have to say – Brett is pretty good in the field. First game, the sun was brutal, no clouds – and he made some pretty tough catches look easy, especially late in the game when the sun was peering in right at his eyes when trying to track the fly balls……
That inning is a prime example of why I want the Yankees to look to sell on Nova and keep Noesi.
30 pitches, 1 swinging strike.
Still think that Cash should call the Mets about Santana.
This team can get to the playoffs as is, and he can be ready by then, hopefully….
“Nova looks very sharp so far, hopefully he pitches well and then Cashman and Girardi have a decision to make on him taking Phil’s spot in the rotation. Hughes needs to actually work for something instead of getting it handed to him.”
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Really?
Joe from Long Island :
I just don’t think we have the pitching to go far so montero’s bat won’t matter much anyways.
I’d rather have elite pitching first,worry about offense later.
I know you need a certain amount of offense to win but you only need just enough & more importantly,at the right time.
Relying on a prospect who never played in a ml game to be a big bat considering he will struggle at some point is a risky proposition.
Troy Renck, Rockies
by AndrewMarchand
Jimenez still pitching as of now. Told me as much 5 mins ago. But Indians is not just talk. Has real chance of happening
1 minute ago
Yogi Mantle,
So is Betances
I agree ac1—
The Yanks should call the Mets about Santana
Who is gonna be the 2nd starter next year and the year after?
Jimenez going to Cleveland? Is that as much a lock at Cliff Lee going from Seattle to the Yanks last year?
I’m liking Ubaldo more and more. Great play by Gardner! How does Jeter stare at that 3rd strike?
rr212,
Can you get the lotto numbers while you’re at it?
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#indians are in lead for ubaldo, top pitcher on market. no word of deal yet tho. #tradedeadline
11 seconds ago
Alex White has been scratched from his 1-inning rehab start. Hmmm…
LGY….I lresponded to your trade question earlier in this thread……
I’m sure CC wouldn’t mind having a stud like Ubaldo next to him in the rotation. May be a little easier for him to not opt out now with Jimenez.
Pat M
I saw. I agree with you. I would do Montero+Betances+Nova.
Did Hunter fall that far?
Cashman is not going to budge, IMO…………
Triple, real mature. Is that bc I said that we don’t have a number 2 starter that matches up against a playoff caliber team? If so, please advise why I’m wrong. I very well may be wrong, but you don’t have to make an asinine comment like that.
This is feeling eerily similar to Cliff Lee re-signing with the Phillies.
Betsy….Budge from what ???
So with Ubaldo likely going to CLE will the Yankees actually call up Montero or will they keep him in Scranton so Cashman can keep “Top 5 Farm System” on his resume?
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
I can also confirm from a person involved in talks that #Rockies are moving toward trading Ubaldo to #Indians
39 seconds ago
The Yankees don’t think of Jimenez as an ace -that’s why they aren’t giving up 2 of their 3 best prospects plus a promising pitcher in Nova. Cashman is valuing the future more than the present, apparently – which is fine IF these guys pan out.
rr212,
But asking who the Yankees number 2 starter for 2012 and 2013 isn’t asinine?
“Who is gonna be the 2nd starter next year and the year after?”
Colon, duh.
He might be 40, but who cares?
Plus, there is always a chance AJ Burnett turns into Curt Schilling and harnesses his stuff, at age 35.
Hughes also might develop 3 plus pitches that he actually throws in the off-season and be the ace he was supposed to be.
Either way, CC is going to take us to the cleaners in negotiations this winter. Cash better be ready,
Pat M, Cashman is not going to trade Montero, Nova and Betances – that’s pretty obvious to me. I don’t know which one is the sticking point – if it’s Nova, that’s silly – but it’s probably the idea of trading Montero and Betances. I think the deal with the Indians will be done in relatively short order.
Britton has good stuff, he started out 6-1 and wound up back in AA…
ron – I can’t disagree with anything you said.
I’m not sure why this is a surprise, though. Cashman gushed about the 3 B’s in ST and said Betances was their best pitching prospect ever…………that’s not a guy they are going to be so willing to trade.
Weird trade for the Indians, a good 1st half doesn’t make them a play off team. I don’t know anything about the prospects they are giving up but they are rated as their top 2,3 and 4. That’s a lot to give up considering they only have him for 2 more years. They better hope they contend in that time span.
Nice sneak hit there.
great job of hitting my robbie. you know he’s going well when he goes the other way
Don’t you know Cano!
oelsherman1 Joel Sherman
The way it was described to me by involved party was talks are “down the tracks” between #Rockies #Indians for Ubaldo. #Yankees not involved
1 minute ago
None of the other prospects that he touted panned out in pinstripes, why would these guys be any different? He is not even giving Montero a chance while his DH/C combine to hit .200.
Cash gushed about Betances and Rivera gushed about ManBan this afternoon….
When it comes down to it, Sox have Lester/Beckett. Yanks could have CC/Ubaldo. You have to think that Cashman has to look at this as playing a team 19 times and meeting in the playoffs. The Jays are adding quality players. AL East is tightening up. To have a guy of Ubaldo’s talent there for the taking then you take him. Giving up unproven players is a gamble, but players of Jimenez talent don’t grow on trees either. GO get him Cashman!
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
If the CLE-COL deal of Ubaldo Jimenez gets done, Kipnis probably won’t be a part of it. #trades
Cashman is not going to trade Montero, Nova and Betances
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If you trade that package you better get back a Verlander, Kershaw or Felix. Not Ubaldo who has a 4 era in the nl.
Swishalicious!
the O’s are showing why they are a last place team…
Betances is the best pitching prospect ever… wonder if that will turn out to be as accurate as Hughes turning into Roger Clemens.
You can totally see Levine/Hal giving CJ Wilson a 6 year deal, can’t you?
Giving up unproven players is a gamble, but players of Jimenez talent don’t grow on trees either. GO get him Cashman!
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Would be nice to see more than 1 / 2 of a good season before we decide how great Jimenez is….
Well, if there was any doubt about Colorado trading Ubaldo I think we can put that notion to rest…..
If Kipnis isn’t part of the deal then it just proves once again that teams continue to ask the Yankees for more. That’s why they haven’t made a significant deadline deals in years
triple,
Isn’t it a fair question? Do you know? Am I missing something here? It is only a question. I wasn’t being rude or anything. I don’t think it warranted the response about lottery tickets. I was just asking a darn question.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
A core of a Ubaldo deal of Pomeranz and Alex White is regarded as excellent for COL by rival execs. #trades
33 seconds ago
Clutch, while I wouldn’t do it, to be fair – those players are completely unproven. Who’s to say any of those will be big time players? Montero’s the guy I wouldn’t give up mostly because this lineup is aging big time and I’m hoping he can anchor the lineup at some point. Tex can’t do it.
think cahsman has turned his attention to liriano? or king felix? (a guy can dream, can’t he?)
I can’t believe that ball didn’t go out
Jones shooting the gap.
Yeah let’s DFA Andruw Jones
Captain Clutch -
really ??
Nova—- he’s having an ok season .. but please lets not overvalue a number 4 pitcher
Montero — a good bat without a postion
Betances – a good prospect. . but you have to give to get
i’d make the trade for Jimenez in a second giving up these guys . . . imo
LoHud’s favorite whipping boy, Andruw Jones, just crushed one.
Take that, Lohud!!!!
Pat M, that’s true, and that makes me wonder about him. Now that I think about it, I’m glad it doesn’t appear the Yankees are going to get him. There’s no reason for them to be this insistent about trading him – how many teams trade their franchise pitchers, pitchers who are young and with good contracts to boot?
If Kipnis isn’t part of the deal then it just proves once again that teams continue to ask the Yankees for more. That’s why they haven’t made a significant deadline deals in years
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Not really. Pom and White are both top prospects. The Rockies asked for Montero+Betances+Nova. Nova is easily replicated by the Indians depending on the others in the trade.
yankees tried to sneak hughes into a deal with the rockies?
No ac1 don’t think so
Unbelievable Cashman. SMH.
Joelsherman1
#Yankees took all #Rockies wanted off table – Banuelos, Betances, Montero, Nova – and offered Hughes and others. #Rockies infuriated (cont)
I don’t follow prospects but Alex White, from his stats, looks like a pretty good one. Excellent ERA at every level, goes deeper than the Yankees prospects in games, and, based on his W-K ratio, commands the strike zone better.
SI_JonHeyman
ubaldo was scratched. looks like a deal. #rockies, #indians
Ubaldo taken out of the game.
Let’s move on now…
That’s beyond ridiculous – I don’t blame the Rockies for being upset. Give me a break, Cashman.
Sherman –
#Yankees were trying to sell their trouble RH Hughes plus for #Rockies troubled RH, but Rox don’t see Ubaldo as troubled at all
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
#Yankees were trying to sell their trouble RH Hughes plus for #Rockies troubled RH, but Rox don’t see Ubaldo as troubled at all
Good for cash, believe in the youngsters.
LGY,
Montero and Betances are top 50 prospects. White is not. Seems to me they are 1 top 50 prospect of being on par with the Yankees
That’s really disgraceful………I didn’t NEED Jimenez, but what the hell was he pulling? That’s trash
Gardner is quick.
Smooth move Cashman.
lgy,
cash likely has something else in motion
lol, so Cash refuses to include any of his 4 best chips, then tries to get them to take Hughes off their hands and portrayed it as a “my troubled player for yours” deal.
Hilarious. Did he learn how to negotiate with Jack Z over the winter?
Even if you weren’t going to deal for Ubaldo, now Cashman has pissed off O’Dowd for future dealings.
Real smart. That’s some Jack Z ish from Cashman.
Wow – were the Yankees actually comparing Hughes to Jimenez? That makes Cashman look unbelievably foolish
Pomeranz and White are both top prospects…
Cash is a joke ! …… Can’t wait to see Stem Cell Arm pitch as our number 2.
Triple
White was ranked 47 by BA entering the season. He’s not on the midseason lists because of his promotion to the big leagues and his injury.
Montero’s the guy I wouldn’t give up mostly because this lineup is aging big time and I’m hoping he can anchor the lineup at some point
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Agree. I definitely wouldn’t trade Montero. The offense is getting old and guys like him don’t grow on trees. For years we have been hearing how special his bat is now let’s see what he can do.
Trying to pawn off Hughes for Ubaldo?
Utter stupidity.
LGY, yes – totally agree. It’s bush league – what, he got pissed off at the Rockies because they were asking for a lot? It’s their player- they can ask for whatever they want. It’s just time for him to go already………..and now he looks bad. His rep has to take a hit.
Oh Hughes remember guys when we would not give him up for guys like halliday felix etc.Oh how you love the guys in AAA till they can’t cut in the bigs
Sounds like Cashman didn’t want to sell the farm….
Hopefully we’ll see Montero in pinstripes next week
Jeter is the man.
just get santana, trade nova or something and take the salary….
this is getting like the Colon game against Toronto in reverse, I feel sorry for Britton, he hasn’t deserved this tonight.
Nice, it seems like this inning has been going on forever.
That is not ridiculous. Cash made the smart play. He is demanding fairness and equality. All Yanks should give up for Ubaldo is Hughes+. Hughes is better than Kelly, Kalish+
Little B*** threw a temper tantrum.
meanwhile, yankee bats are alive and well
It’s safe to say that Jeter is back. 10 rbi’s on the homestand. Still want to see him hit better against RH.
Wow, has Hughes’ stock dropped or what. Now he is viewed as a “change of scenery” player.
If that hasn’t shown Cash not to overvalue guys, nothing will. And if he doesn’t want to trade them, at least bring Montero up.
Thanks god we didn’t sell the farm for Ubaldo. Not our guy.
Unfortunately, “our guy” doesn’t exist on the trade front this season. That is too bad.
Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
Not saying this has been a long first inning, but when it started Ubaldo Jimenez was still pitching for the Rockies.
If Montero is here after tomorrow then he should be called up next week.
AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
RT @TroyRenck: Hearing deal is done (Ubaldone!!! Headed to Cleveland. What now for the Yankees?) #trades
20 seconds ago
If the Yankees are trying to pawn off Hughes instead of Nova why is Hughes in the rotation over Nova???
Seems odd that Cash would pull those guys off the table at this point. Perhaps he felt they were being asked to surrender more than CLE? Or maybe he felt they were moving toward a deal and that COL shopped it to CLE like SEA did? Regardless of what happened, I hope the upside is that Montero is called up very soon.
LGY,
Regardless they still asked the Yankees for more.
Montero,Betances,Nova + is a better package. Spin it any way you want
This isn’t about Hughes, this is about Cashman getting a bee up his butt because the Rockies had the nerve to ask a lot for a very good pitcher and then being so immature about it, he pulls his best ones (like that’s going to scare Colorado) and offers a package that he has to know Colorado will find insulting. Unbelievable.
What now for the Yankees ?/
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Great Question .. but hey who cares we have a top 5 farm system . . .thats something to be proud of
Another exciting trade deadline for Brian Cashman. He’s coming on like gangbusters. Look out Ruben Amaro. You got nothing on this bad boy.
It is true…Hughes’ stock has fallen tremendously.
Was untouchable two years ago.
I’m sorry, but I’d have to say that Montero plus one of Bettances or Nova was comparable to what the Indians gave up.
“If the Yankees are trying to pawn off Hughes instead of Nova why is Hughes in the rotation over Nova???”
The same reason why Montero is in the minors while Cervelli/Martin/Posada are hitting a combined .200
Logic and common sense doesn’t resonate in the Yankees world.
I’m starting to think Cashman may be trying to get fired or at least paving his way to leave. He certainly isn’t auditioning well for others though.
Do we have another source for this besides Joel Sherman?
I wouldn’t jump to conclusions.
You guys are hysterical. You don’t know what offer was made exactly.
What now? A lot of hoping and praying – not just for this year, but for the coming years because we’re going to need 2 of our kids to pan out.
I would seriously wait a day or two before taking Sherman’s word at face value. These negotiations get complicated, and who knows who said what and what happened.
The Yankees offense is getting old. Posada is questionable to cut it as a regular DH. If Montero can catch at all (and seriously, can he be *that* much worse than the last few years of Posada?), then he’ll get enough playing time in the forseeable future. If you trade him, I think you trade him for an impact bat. Like for like.
Meanwhile the Yankees are abusing the Orioles pitching staff. 9-0.
Next year at this time we will go through the same thing and people will actually think the Yankees have a chance to trade for a top guy
Is this inning ever going to end? lol
Nice to have a laughter once and while.
“I’m starting to think Cashman may be trying to get fired or at least paving his way to leave.”
Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds?
Triple,
Pom is arguably the best prospect out of the whole bunch. And it’s not like the Yankees actually offered anything close to that. They pulled EVERYBODY off the table.
Maybe if Cashman didn’t act like Jack Z he could have actually gotten the price down a bit.
i love the idea that cashman should just make deals so we can say we made deals at the deadline….
Jimenez is overrated!!!
Teams ask more from the Yankees than others, so they need to counter and develop their farm system….
Deal will involve pomeranz, white, mcbride. Waiting official announcement
The package CLE paid was considerably underwhelming compared to what they were asking for from the Yankees.
Good move by Cashman to take a pass.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes,
It was Nova,Betances,Montero +. That is not = to what the Indians gave up
So what if O’Dowd is pissed off? what else does he have to trade that NY want’s? Nothing. If he can make stupid dmands, Cashman has every right counter with a stupid counter.
Jesus saved from the wrath of Herod!
LGY,
Montero is ranked ahead of Pom
If this trade backfires on Cleveland, it’s going to set them back 3-5 years.
Rockies are infuriated?
A quick trip into the humidor should take care of that.
Kuroda stays with Dodgers
Jimenez going to Indians
Which pitcher now is on the Yankees radar?
Either way, doesn’t look like Hughes’ job is very safe. They have been linked to so many starters (Jimenez, Kuroda, Bedard, Harden, Liriano, Guthrie, Nolasco, Wandy, etc.) and they tried to pawn him off to Colorado anyway.
Alex White will be nothing more then a mid rotation guy in the NL. They gave up 1 top guy. They wanted 2 from us
Jesus huggers rejoice!
I can’t believe this inning is still going. It’s like a long short rain delay for Nova.
LGY,
Montero is ranked ahead of Pom
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Not according to Law IIRC. Prospect rankings aren’t gospel and the difference between a few spots on the lists is nothing.
The Rockies could have easily had Pom ranked higher than Montero on their internal evaluations.
Buster_ESPN CLE deal for Ubaldo an aggressive gamble–helps chances to win in’11-13, at high cost. Indians didn’t have concerns other teams did
Alex White will be nothing more then a mid rotation guy in the NL. They gave up 1 top guy. They wanted 2 from us
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they said the same thing about Ian Kennedy
Unbelievable Cashman. SMH.
Joelsherman1
#Yankees took all #Rockies wanted off table – Banuelos, Betances, Montero, Nova – and offered Hughes and others. #Rockies infuriated (cont)
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CASH YOU ROCK
(But glad we still have Hughes too)
Cashman offering Hughes and a list of minor league guys of little relevance is weak…..Cashman is to obsessed with numbers……Cash should have just made the deal once Manny B and then Noesi was taken of the table as Colorado agreed upon…..Cashman’s rep takes a hit much like Jack-Z’s did last July…..
Okay, I need Elias to tell us if this has happened before.
Hard to believe with our farm system stacked with good young pitchers and catchers that Cashman can’t find a good major league starter.
gotta love this inning!
gb7 is right. if ubabdo does have some issues, cleveland is in trouble
Triple Short,
I agree…the Yanks were asked for way too much.
Good for CLE though, I’m sure the guys they gave up are quality and perhaps he’ll do we`ll for them.
the baseball gods like ivan nova pitching for the yankees.
Way not to cave, Yanks! Free Jesus! Betances–future ace!
12 runs?
Can Nova hold this lead?
SWISH you outcha mind, boy
West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Hard to believe with our farm system stacked with good young pitchers and catchers that Cashman can’t find a good major league starter.
The best ones are a year or two away.
SWISH! This is embarrassing.
Holy crap. 12-0 and it’s only the first inning. That is insane.
We’re going to have one hell of a rotation in 2014 – CC, Hughes, Betances, Nova, Banuelos
Bullpen – Warren, Robertson, Joba, Phelps, Noesi, Norton, Brackman
Lineup – Montero-ARod-Cano-Tex-Laird-Heathcott-Mitch Williams-Sanchez-Gardner
Swishalicious second time in this inning.
LOL Showalter.
This inning is amazing.
I think I just saw a white towel flying out of the Orioles dugout.
Pomeranz is at about the same level of development as Banuelos.
I’m not saying he’s as good as Banuelos, but seems at about the same point.
White looks like a keeper but can’t be that much better than Nova.
Who else are the Rockies getting?
Dellin Deals in the Bronx!!!
I’m still hoping Cashman can somehow pry Garza away from the Cubs
This is crazy….
I wouldn’t be surprised if Buck “I hate the Yankees” Showalter tells one of his pitchers to hit a Yankees batter soon.
GB7,
I think the Yankees valued Jimenez very differently than Colorado. Thinking about the lack of reported offers for a 27 year old on such a favorable contract, it leads me to believe that the Yankees weren’t alone with those concerns. Seems like a bit of a risk for Cleveland. They get the potential of amazing upside, but it will be interesting to see how his career progresses.
I wonder if Jeter can go 2-3….in the 1st inning.
Nickalicious!
Andruw must be annoyed. When he started the game a left-hander was pitching.
What happens first, this inning ends or Ubaldo has his first crappy start for Cleveland?
Pat M, the Rockies did budge off of Banuelos, that’s a good point. I don’t get why Cashman was so upset with Colorado – they did what any team trading a very talented player would do : extract as much as they could. He just looks so stupid – I didn’t want to give up those 3 together, but it’s the way that he handled it. Mindbogglingly unprofessional.
LGY,
Every list I have seen has Montero in the top 8. You are citing 1 guy in Law so that makes it true?
Cashman offering Hughes and a list of minor league guys of little relevance is weak…..Cashman is to obsessed with numbers……Cash should have just made the deal once Manny B and then Noesi was taken of the table as Colorado agreed upon…..Cashman’s rep takes a hit much like Jack-Z’s did last July…..
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Agree 100%
that sucks if they were going to include Hughes for Jimenez. And if they’re the same pitcher why try to trade then? Keep the guy who’s pitched in the AL. Glad we didn’t get Jimenez though.
White is a comparable prospect to Betances but actually is major league ready.
You could easily argue that Pom+White>Montero+Betances
This is fun!!!!
geez, at this rate jeter might get a third at bat this inning
I would like to get Garza too…
Santana is still my suggestion.
I still feel kind of blah about this trade to Cleveland. Because now we realize that every team around the Yanks improved and the Yankees still haven’t done nothing. Otherwise, this 12 spot in the bottom of the first is just incredible display of power even with Arod!
is this a record for a 1st inning?
Melk-Man ….What about 2012-2013 ???
jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Jesus huggers rejoice!
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prospect muggers weep!!!
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of course, this doesn’t mean something else isn’t brewing.
Where are all the Swisher detractors now? I won’t say I told you so – oh hell yes I will.
LGY,
Every list I have seen has Montero in the top 8. You are citing 1 guy in Law so that makes it true?
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And Pom is top 15. What’s the real difference between 8 and 14?
I am not saying Pom>Montero. I’m saying that it is very plausible that the Rockies value Pom more than Montero.
MG,
Exactly. Amazing that some people on here don’t realize the Yankees as usual were asked to give up more
Glad Ubaldo is going to Cleveland. Way too much for the Yankees to give up for him, and it is really suspicious that he was being dealt anyway. The Rockies giving up their “ace” for prospects seems a very questionable move.
Cash did the right thing. None of us are yanks front office so we won’t know 100% exactly what happened.
“We’re going to have one hell of a rotation in 2014 – CC, Hughes, Betances, Nova, Banuelos
Bullpen – Warren, Robertson, Joba, Phelps, Noesi, Norton, Brackman
Lineup – Montero-ARod-Cano-Tex-Laird-Heathcott-Mitch Williams-Sanchez-Gardner”
That’s certainly being a bit optimistic, especially with the bats. Still, all of the guys you name have a chance to be at least above-average players in the major leagues. That says something about our system.
I really hope Hughes is still around – the Yankees have worked so damn hard on him that it would be a shame if he didn’t pan out.
This inning is the Yankee tribute to our former Rockie friends.
I’ve never seen the Yankees put up a 12 spot in the 1st inning in my lifetime, what an amazing inning…
LOL at the Bronx Jeer for the O’s.
The 12 spot, isn’t the Yankees displaying power, its the O’s playing like crap.
Betsy-
I don’t understand why you are so upset….we just kept our top three prospects and declined making a deal for a pitcher who is not a clear Number two. There is still time to swing a lesser deal and not give up as much.
PS, the score is 12-0.
Cashman is just setting us up for the big unknown loogy deal to come.
LGY,
But you did
Pom is arguably the best prospect out of the whole bunch. And it’s not like the Yankees actually offered anything close to that.
Cash offered Hughes as his centerpiece? LMAO
Boy, he has become a prospect hugger to the max. I’m starting to think the Granderson deal was made by someone above him.
Buck Showalter looks like he’s pissed off. He’s going over the list of Yankees that he wants to throw at.
TheStraw July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Betsy-
I don’t understand why you are so upset….we just kept our top three prospects and declined making a deal for a pitcher who is not a clear Number two. There is still time to swing a lesser deal and not give up as much.
PS, the score is 12-0.
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Are you new here? (thought I’d seen you around)
Betsy needs to find a way to complain about just about everything.
Actually it is a display of power. 10 hits speak for themselves.
LGY,
But you did
Pom is arguably the best prospect out of the whole bunch. And it’s not like the Yankees actually offered anything close to that.
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Yes, arguably.
As in you can make an argument than Pom is a better prospect than Montero.
This isn’t the Kennedy assassination, we’ll find out what was offered in short order.
Pomeranz is in AA. I’m sorry, but to equate a prospect that is in the lower minors, not even in AAA yet, is a stretch. How long till he could contribute? 2 years? Montero could be up in many clubs now, either B might be up next year, probably up for cup of coffee during the expansion of rosters.
jaysonst Jayson Stark
Was told emphatically Ubaldo deal not done. But could happen quickly. Here’s espn.com news story (more to come) #trades es.pn/qKBrjM
15 seconds ago
I hope this is the end of chasing after NL pitchers.
Nova vs. Hughes….
Can Nova win with a 12 run lead?
Buck will rally his O’s by yelling at Jeter again from the dugout.
Pomeranz is in AA. I’m sorry, but to equate a prospect that is in the lower minors, not even in AAA yet, is a stretch. How long till he could contribute? 2 years? Montero could be up in many clubs now, either B might be up next year, probably up for cup of coffee during the expansion of rosters.
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Then why do the Yankees value Banuelos in AA higher than Montero?
Tex saved another error…
if I’m the Yankees I call the Cubs and do whatever needs to be done to get Matt Garza, I think he’d be a really good fit in the Bronx even though he has given up too many HRs in his career.
Of course the Yanks valued him differently. Colorado was trying to sell the CY Young part of Jiminez. Cashman saw the last 365 day Jiminez. Since O’Dowd wouldn’t come off of that idiotic demand, Cashman slapped him in the head and said FU.
Let’s see how you folks feel when Gummy Bear Jesus is launching bombs in the Bronx.
Just because Ubaldo was the best pitcher available that doesn’t mean the Yanks had to empty the farm system for him. I am sure the Yankees liked Ubaldo but didn’t love him. I am happy that Cashman didn’t give up 2 big pieces just to make a trade. Cashman obviously has his limits on players. He had it with Lee, Haren and now with Ubaldo.
Jack squat-
Just trying to reason with her….yes I’ve been around for a while.
Straw, I’ve made it clear why I am upset. I wanted Jimenez – you’re right, I don’t think I would have done that. I’m pissed off at Cashman for acting like a jilted lover. He should have been on that phone with Colorado constantly, trying to negotiate downward – but to honest, as Pat mentioned, they already did come down by not demanding Banuelos. The Rockies had every right to ask for that package – so Cashman gets upset and basically says, ok we’re going to stick it to you and offer a bum package? Cashman looks terrible, IMO, if it went down like this.
If true–I love it.
Cash sent a message to the league. Stop adding a Yankee tax to all trades!!! Or take your business elsewhere!!!!
Hey. Is 12 a crooked #?
I agree with you gb7 completely.100%. Bashing cashman is weak
I guess the Rockies scout watching Nova tonight is on the phone with Delta right now trying to get a plane ticket home.
Cashman owns.
Jayson Stark tweeting “Was told emphatically Ubaldo deal not done”
Not sure what that means – in the mean time, go Nova!
Rockies wouldn’t budge off Montero+betances+nova, so why indulge them?
FREE JESUS!
Cash obviously has something else up his sleeve.
Jack squirt, what the hell is your problem? Internet tough guy who’s probably the biggest wimp in the world in real life. I can’t wait to see you take on Pat M and LGY who just basically agreed with me – but wait, why attack them when you can attack me? Have a nice night Jack squirt – Jack sprat – whatever the hell your name is.
Nova pitching chilly-chill now that he knows he’s not going anywhere.
Mind boggling emotional speculation.
I am going to toast Cashman when Montero hits his first BOMB off of Ubaldo while Betances is throwing seeds.
“if I’m the Yankees I call the Cubs and do whatever needs to be done to get Matt Garza, I think he’d be a really good fit in the Bronx even though he has given up too many HRs in his career.”
Yeah, I would do that as well.
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
If this trade backfires on Cleveland, it’s going to set them back 3-5 years.
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Good point!!! For this Indians this trade is high risk/high reward. Its just my opinion but I’d hate to have my career as a Major League GM be “on the line” because of Ubaldo Jimenez.
Straw, oh don’t bother……..I love what you’re implying there. You and Jack Squirt can have a pow wow about how unreasonable I am – that should make the evening a bit more spicy.
#Yankees took all #Rockies wanted off table – Banuelos, Betances, Montero, Nova – and offered Hughes and others. #Rockies infuriated (cont)
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right again, i dont know why you clowns dont listen to me, i called hughes for ujim straight up right before gametime. you can look it up.
TylerKepner Even without Banuelos in deal, the Nova-Montero-Betances package was too high for Yanks to get Ubaldo. Too many red flags since July 2010.
Well, Nova just needed a 41 minute offense delay, apparently.
What Yankee gets drilled within the next two innings?
If Ubaldo is a legit #1, he’s with giving up your top prospects for.
Cleveland apparently considers him an ace. The Yankees did not.
Why would Kuroda want to stay with LAD? Are these guys just opposed to having to sell their homes? LOL!
MG, I would not do that. Garza was mediocre his last couple of years in the AL and he’s not a difference maker – not to the point where I’d give up anything of value for him.
Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Kuroda stays with Dodgers
Jimenez going to Indians
Which pitcher now is on the Yankees radar?
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Ivan Nova!!!
So the Rockies “lowered” their demand of Banuelos who Rivera called the best pitching prospect he has ever seen. How big of them
no way cash is a fool, col tried to play us for fools
BD, that’s what it comes down to and why I wouldn’t have given that up.
JWeav July 30th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
FREE JESUS!
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Garza is a head case. Don’t we already have one of those on the roster?
NUNEY!
Betsy, your reaction to an internet rumor about Cashman taking everything off the table is way over the top, don’t you think?
None of us knows what is happening or what will happen and, since we don’t have tapes of the phone conversations, we’ll never have the true facts anyway.
Jimenez is still a question mark at some level anyway, I’m not sure I’d empty the farm for him anyway even though I was impressed with him the one time I watched him pitch.
So the Rockies “lowered” their demand of Banuelos who Rivera called the best pitching prospect he has ever seen. How big of them
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He’s the Yankees top prospect according to them.
Cleveland dealt their top prospect.
Nunez triple – overkill in a 12-0 game?
In between games today – i was playing a little MLB The Show and Nunez had 2 doubles and a grand slam against the Cubs – looks like I brought him a little luck
# cs in la July 30th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
The 12 spot, isn’t the Yankees displaying power, its the O’s playing like crap.
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thats nuts. what a difference a single or 10 of them make…
LGY,
Montero is ranked higher
If Nunez can’t handle the SS, 3B positions defensively, then I see an OF future for him. His speed and arm and his bat could relate to a OFer
The Yankees were asked to give up a guy who has shown middle-of-the-rotation ability, a top prospect with dominant stuff, and one of the most potent bats in the minors. That’s a lot for a guy who has only put it together for stretches at a time.
White’s maybe a bit better than Betances as a prospect, about equal with Manny. Kipnis and Nova are hard to compare. And I think Montero is a whole lot better proven that Pom.
I want more confirmation before I believe that Cash pulled a Jack Z and offered Hughes and second-tier prospects. So far all we have is Sherman’s word.
Whoever is pitching tomorrow, I hope they have a perfect game in them because chances are very high that the Yankees won’t score many runs tomorrow.
The Yankees and Rockies have never played well together. If they demanded too much from Cashman he was right to say no. If he offered Hughes as an alternative, there is nothing wrong with that. I’m sure many configurations were explored. Hughes was an all star last year; he had physical issues and is working through it. That’s hardly an insult.
“What Yankee gets drilled within the next two innings?”
I don’t know but was Nunez supposed to stretch that into a triple and then come home on that ground out?
My guess is it’s Nunez next time up.
Betsy, your reaction to an internet rumor about Cashman taking everything off the table is way over the top, don’t you think?
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i wouldnt give any top prospects for ujim and neither would cash, right move, why the drama betty?
The package they asked from Detroit was more then they got as well
SBerthiaumeESPN Steve Berthiaume
In his last 2 starts #Orioles Zach Britton has pitched 1 inning and allowed 17 runs, 13 earned. That’s a 113.00 ERA.
has Uboldo been pulled from his start??
Jason Berken is just having a very bad evening.
PacoDooley July 30th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Nunez triple – overkill in a 12-0 game?
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Yeah, he should have stopped at first base
honestly, this is s blessing. I think. 3 of our top prospects for him would have been insane. Lets get those guys up here and turn them loose.
LGY, Montero is ranked higher
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Not according to the Yankees, because Manny is untouchable.
Chris W,
Kipnis is not in the deal and how is white better then Banuelos?
Now that Montero wasn’t traded can they bring him up????
Oh no, the Rockies are mad at us!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTngtsOY8Q
Yanks will end up with Wandy in a cash dump. Which will be fine.
insane how people get all twisted over rumors , watch a ballgame and learn the game dammit…
I still can’t help feeling like something else is ongoing that I may not like….
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
PacoDooley July 30th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Nunez triple – overkill in a 12-0 game?
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Yeah, he should have stopped at first base
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It was just a question, but a stand up double would have made sense. I guess he is a young guy looking for playing time, but most vets would have taken the double there and avoided any risk.
“i wouldnt give any top prospects for ujim and neither would cash, right move, why the drama betty?”
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Because the name Phil Hughes was mentioned, the worst pitcher in the history of baseball haven’t you heard?
cs in la,
According to some here our prospects suck and every other teams guys are better then ours
“Kipnis is not in the deal and how is white better then Banuelos?”
So they didn’t even ask for an ML-ready player from CLE, but demanded Montero? I can’t blame Cash at all.
Just saw a tweet about Yankees interest in Liriano – not so pleased by that rumor.
Meanwhile, the Orioles may have to forfeit. 15-0.
this could be another 30 run games
Cano just added a two point conversion….
i smell zambrano but it makes no sense
This game is a good example of why cumulative team stats are potentially deceiving.
Now I think they can take Cano out of the game. Let Cervelli play 3rd base…
DUCK!!!!!
Cleveland really might to all-in. They’re looking at Ryan Ludwick now.
TracyRingolsby 8 mins Ubaldo headed to bullpem. He is starting for Colorado at this time.
Sounds like not done yet
Cleveland really might go all-in. They’re looking at Ryan Ludwick now.
Because the name Phil Hughes was mentioned, the worst pitcher in the history of baseball haven’t you heard?
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betty hates hughes don’t ya know?
Buck getting some pay back for his comments. Couldn’t happen to a “nicer” guy.
“This game is a good example of why cumulative team stats are potentially deceiving.”
I mean, yes, but events like this are rare enough that run scored and runs per game even out to be pretty indicative of a team’s performance.
betty has left the building…
The Indians better hope that he is healthy….
Joelsherman1 Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
Dammit, Swish, can’t you hit in a clutch situation?
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
RT @GordonEdes: Red Sox haven’t abandoned hopes of getting Jimenez, according to M-L source. “Crazy,” the source said.
1 minute ago
Liriano would benefit from CC’s guidance….
He would fit as the #2 in the playoffs.
Wow, its the second inning, the Orioles pitcher is up to 50 pitches already…and he wasn’t even the starter.
Buck getting some pay back for his comments.
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Do we go into a “prevent” offense.
I don’t think so.
Sorry, I was confusing White with Pom. White’s still not as accomplished as Nova. Or Hughes, for that matter.
Interesting post by Sherman (if true)
Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
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Um…. sounds suspicious to me.
Good call not trading…
What really pisses off the opposition manager is when the team with a big lead starts pulling the regulars and the bench starts hitting home runs.
I kind of predicted Yanks would get Wandy plus $10M from Houston for a couple B prospects but there has been no mention of that at all.
We’ll see. I’m just glad they still have Montero and the B’s.
For once it’s other teams emptying their farm while the Yanks build on one of the better systems in the game.
Captain Clutch,
That explains a lot. You knew the Yankees would get their side out. Cashman wouldn’t pull his offer on emotion.
“Joelsherman1 Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out”
That sounds really ominous.
Wasn’t there reports that the Yankees traded for Lee last season? Just sayin
Well let’s see how things shake out, but I’ll tell you right here and now, Ubaldo is a young pitcher you is on the brink of peaking and hitting his stride……As for all those pitchers Cashman has accumulated, well what are you going to do with all of them ??? And Betsy is right about being a punching bag on this as LGY and I have been pushing for Ubaldo far more than she had been….As for Cashman, to completely revised the trade parameters with less than 21 hours remaining is bush……
Don’t tell Nova that the Ubaldo deal isn’t done yet, it would be good to get 5 innings out of him.
Mick
Chill……
I thought this was a done deal?? Acc. to Renck, Esmil Rogers was pulled and told to be ready.
No physical, no trade good going Cashman
Chris W,
Exactly but some here feel like the Indians offer was better then ours
“As for Cashman, to completely revised the trade parameters with less than 21 hours remaining is bush……”
You are assuming that Sherman’s first report is accurate. He just posted something entirely different.
Joelsherman1 Since #Rockies wouldn’t OK physical for #Yankees, maybe won’t for #Indians also, so let’s wait to see if this is completed
that joel sherman tweet tells the whole story. no reason to be mad at cashman
I saw it on espn last summer around lunch time that Lee was headed to NY. I was jumping up and down. So it has happened before.
Red Social still trying for Jimenez
+ Sox+
Where was all this offense last night when we needed it? I know. Some people are never happy!
Amazing how some here are so quick to throw Cash under the bus without knowing all the facts
Sherman is selling this now about the medicals >>> Then why would Cashman make a counteroffer then ???
sherman tweets tell you all you need to know as to why the rockies were trying to trade him
Sox can’t possibly match haul from the Indians. How could they possibly be in?
“Exactly but some here feel like the Indians offer was better then ours”
Really? McBride is nothing special, .811 OPS at 26 years old. Manny B is a lefty, and I’d say that he’s not much worse than Pom. Betances is less accomplished, but has Ubaldo-like stuff. And Nova has proved more at the major league level.
I think one of the Bs plus Montero plus Nova is asking an awful lot.
I don’t see Wandy doing well in the AL. I’d pass on him.
“Red Social still trying for Jimenez”
Is that where you get your gelato?
How is Ujim first hitting his peak , he looks like he’s going downhill to me.
Why is Col hot on trading him?
Makes no sense looks like they are trying to rob us.
Even the Cleve deal looks fake, one last try for a steal?
Cash won’t bite and is right.
first Sherman said the Yankees pulled everyone, then he reports the Yankees pulled out 4 days ago.
that’s why I ignore all these reports, they are predicated, as the great Tony Soprano once told Dr. Melfi, ‘predicated on my a**’
As for Cashman, to completely revised the trade parameters with less than 21 hours remaining is bush……
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For the Rockies to not revise their trade parameters with 21 hours remaining is bush.
LGY, Red Social? Is that the newest name for Red Sox Nation? lol.
To not permit a physical is bush.
buck’s gonna drill someone.
I don’t want damaged goods for B prospects, let alone my top three prospects.
Everyone here kills Cash for not giving the kids a chance, and now they are killing him for nit dumping them. There is clearly some other plan in place. You think he doesn’t consult others in ownership and management on these deals? I think this was the right move all the way around. Cleveland can have him…..
C’mon Nova. Get more outs.
Looks like showalter has his hand over his mouth to try catch the puke.
If Cashman didn’t want to deal his prospects and wanted a physical why didn’t he just walk away?
Instead he tries to prove a point by offering a ridiculous Hughes package and ends up looking like a child.
MG, lol, Tony Soprano did have a way with words.
Drill Reynolds. They’re trying to show Nova up by digging in at the plate.
Nova needs to be pro- active and DRILL SOMEONE FIRST!!!!!
@Joelsherman1: Post has learned NYY asked Rox 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
LGY,
Don’t believe everything you hear
Lol guys.
Blame Nick for my Red Social comment!
When I went to download skype I also got a new keyboard application.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
If Cashman didn’t want to deal his prospects and wanted a physical why didn’t he just walk away?
Instead he tries to prove a point by offering a ridiculous Hughes package and ends up looking like a child.
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Is that a knock on Hughes?
Jones reminds me of Rickey when he catches a ball. Not that he flicks his wrist but just in the way that it makes you a little nervous.
“Instead he tries to prove a point by offering a ridiculous Hughes package and ends up looking like a child.”
lgy-
you’re always picking on cashman.
do you realize how annoying that gets ?
The Sox are probably trying to reacquire Casey Kelly. If they do this then he alone is obviously enough to get Ubaldo.
“Instead he tries to prove a point by offering a ridiculous Hughes package and ends up looking like a child.”
This sounds oddly familiar… Could it have been during the Jeter negotiations, hmmm.
Only this time I agree with the message.
cash is going ninja on Col’s sorry arse offering hughes to wake him up when they refuse a physical is genius, man in his walk year …
pour it on yanks
Andruw evidently does not agree that he cannot hit right-handers.
That was a bomb.
Andruw Jones, you can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him…
Are teams allowed to just quit games because I think BAL should just go back to the hotel and call it a night.
That was an absolute bomb by Jones.
Wow!! Gradnerson, Tex and Cano better watch out the next time they come up to hit. Buck is going to hit someone. He thinks since we can’t beat you we will just act like children.
LOL Tyler. Kelly doesn’t even have to throw a pitch to be successful. He just has to stare in.
Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Jack squirt, what the hell is your problem? Internet tough guy who’s probably the biggest wimp in the world in real life. I can’t wait to see you take on Pat M and LGY who just basically agreed with me – but wait, why attack them when you can attack me? Have a nice night Jack squirt – Jack sprat – whatever the hell your name is.
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I wasn’t arguing the latest discussion in particular, just your general demeanor over the past few years. And many have made the same observation. You even got banned from another board for this. Maybe when many people say the same thing, they are right, and you are wrong.
the only thing Buck wants to do tonight is get this game over, no Yankee is going to get drilled in this game.
Well were The Phillies trying to hide something when they traded Schilling to Arizona ?? It was a smart move for The Rockies to sell off Ubaldo now as the market demand will never be stronger
Randy
I’m coming to the dark side.
What is the record for runs scored in the modern era?
Buck Showalter must want to kill Berken for nibbling on a 3-2 pitch trailing by 15.
http://denver.sbnation.com/col.....g-saturday
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don’t believe the hype
Seriously, the Cashman bashing is ridiculous. They wouldn’t even make that deal for Cliff Lee, and you them to make it for Jimenez. Some of you are getting too caught up in the contract value of the player and not looking at his performance and durability issues.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
LOL Tyler. Kelly doesn’t even have to throw a pitch to be successful. He just has to stare in.
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They will give the Padres Darnell MacDonald to get him back. Then swap him for Ubaldo. Bam, you got Gonzalez and Ubaldo for the legend.
do you guys think the trade goes through now that col won’t allow cleveland to give him a physical?
was schilling hurt when he was traded?
How on earth did Nunez make contact with that ball? That was incredible bat-speed.
Ubaldo Jimenez Trade To Cleveland On Hold As Pitcher Starts On Saturday Night
kiethlaw:
“We want 2 significant prospects for our pitcher who has suddenly lost 3 mph off his fastball, and you can’t do a physical.” “It’s a deal!”
HAHA he tried to hit Nunez but he swings at everything. He kind of reminds me of A. Soriano.
Oh sure, it’s all my fault.
Does your fancy android phone have a translate app? Maybe you can tell me what “quando arrivo sto gelato” means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxfUktiNdYY
30th double for CoJo.
Keith Law’s tweet says it all…..yet Cash is the one who looks foolish? Please.
Are the same people who called Cash out for changing the deal around going to call out Col for refusing a physical?
the Yankees can’t even take anyone out of this game, the bench all played the 1st game.
I’m guessing the next 6 innings go very quickly, there won’t be a lot of deep counts if any.
Remember, this is Balt. We’ve got to kick Sux in next series against them. Glad we didn’t give up the farm for one guy. Nova looks good, deserves to start over Hughes, maybe even AJ.
As far as smiley Jones, a good game now & then doesn’t sell me on him a bit. What he hitting ?
.220 ?
Red Sox still in on Ubaldo. Lars Anderson was pulled from tonight’s game. You can’t make this stuff up
Well were The Phillies trying to hide something when they traded Schilling to Arizona ?? It was a smart move for The Rockies to sell off Ubaldo now as the market demand will never be stronger
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smartass is more like it…cash is no dummy
Jimenez is pitching right now.
I just put on the Rockies game and Ubaldo is starting the 1st inning but a pitcher is warming up in the bullpen..
Right, Sox with get him for Lars straight up.
funny hoW someone who is scratched from a start is actually pitching now….hmmm
Why is Ubaldo pitching if he was traded?
The first 3 innings has lasted longer than my first marriage.
I just put on the Rockies game and Ubaldo is starting the 1st inning but a pitcher is warming up in the bullpen..
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maybe cleve wants to see if he can get thru the 1st then no need for a physical
No physicals, but Rox concede that Jimenez will pitch for just one inning to show all suitors that he is healthy.
Who said Nova wouldn’t last 3 innings ?
Jones is averaging an RBI for every 5 ABs and a HR about every 15, that’s what they signed him for regardless of his average.
What the heck is going on re: Ubaldo. A Red Sox fan friend of mine just texted me he’s going to the Red Sox?
I’m at game. Can’t pull up stories on trade. Some guy said Indians got him by emptying farm awhile ago?
if the sox get him it will be for nothing
Red Sox still in on Ubaldo. Lars Anderson was pulled from tonight’s game. You can’t make this stuff up
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Sure but will anyone miss him?
I just flipped over to the Rockies game-Jimenez is throwing about 93-94, you would think he would go out and blow away 3 batters in a row to get him out of town and maybe a new contract.
Nick
Can I eat gelato on our skype conference call?
how does cash look if they give him away for a bag of balls
i say good
Wouldn’t it be funny if Ubaldo pulls something in the first inning
If this game keeps up like this, we might have a couple of .300 hitters by the end of the game. lol.
I don’t want to lose any of the killer Bs for Jimenez…but I sure as hell don’t want the Red Sox to get him. That would put them over the edge.
“As far as smiley Jones, a good game now & then doesn’t sell me on him a bit. What he hitting ?
.220 ?”
.236 Which is better than Martin and Posada. Not long before he catches Tex either.
.263 vs LH and .320 with RISP.
If he is going to the Sox, they better be giving up Renuado and a couple other players. It will be absolutely ridiculous is Anderson is the big prospect in the deal and the Rockies want that haul from the Yanks.
No one is willing to make a “fair” trade with the Yankees…that’s just the way of the baseball world. We always have to pay more for everything – including the hot dogs.
Sox can’t put together a package that matches Clevelands reported offer.
Ubaldo doesn’t look good at all. I wonder if he heard the rumors and is having trouble concentrating.
Better yet I’m going to send gelato to all skype call participants.
Nick is getting Israeli Captain Crunch gelato.
Ubaldo has already given up 2 runs and is 3-0 on the next batter
gotta be hard for him to concentrate. why is he even pitching?
glad that the Yankees think a #5 starter, a DH they refuse to call up, and a prospect walking the park in AA isn’t worth Jimenez. this teams going no where in the playoffs.
Colorado’s idea of having Jimenez throw an inning instead of a physical wasn’t the smartest move of all time, if this were the stock market the Jimenez Index would be down 3% and they’d be calling for a trading a halt.
Just a stupid move by Colorado starting Jiminez – great way to guarantee a possible injury
Ubaldo looks great tonight. Sign me up
Maybe the Indians want to change their minds? lol
If Colorado really refused a physical then can’t blame Cash for pulling out…..
LGY, when I get my Photon 4G, I’ll head over to North Beach and the skype call can be galato-to-gelato.
Um… not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Ubaldo maxing at about 93-94 mph. At least since I started watching.
Jimenez has already thrown 33 pitches in 2/3 of an inning.
Ubaldo has given up 2 more runs. 4 runs total in the 1st inning.
Did they just say Pon was the best prospect in the country?
Make that 4 runs for SD
the Padres put a 4 spot up on Jimenez, he isn’t throwing well at all.
The Attorney General doubles in two more.
If Rockies refused physical the Yankees had to walk.
Would be funny if Cleveland pulled out after watching Ubaldo get lit up
Rockies getting a fourth player now
YES just showing Jimenez pitching.
What the heck is that about? Are they doing this to threaten Cleveland? As we know, a deal isn’t done until it’s done.
Curry reporting that Kuroda is refusing to waive his NTC.
First he’s being traded, then he’s got something where Colo. refuses a physical exam, now he’s pitching after the deal is “done”?
The air and oxygen must be very thin in Denver.
4 days ago the Yankees asked for a physical by Ubaldo and Colorado refused?
Within their right, and Cash was within his right to back off.
Orioles aren’t even trying. They’re just swinging just swing
Obviously, Nova has a massive lead, but he’s certainly making the case to stay up here. He’s looked very good after the first inning.
No crying on this blog when this team doesn’t get out of the ALDS because they don’t have capable starters that can match up with other teams #2 and #3 guys.
No physicals allowed, but Colorado is sending out a High Ded DVD of Ubaldo’s MLB commericial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pwoqliogcs
Per heyman, Indians threw in a fourth player…..crazy.
The bullpen coach is standing by the phone in the Rockies bullpen waiting for it to ring while a pitcher is warming up. I guess Ubaldo is in the game until the deal is official. Very weird…
42 pitches in one inning for Jimenez against those weak hitting Padres, now he’s 2-0 on the pitcher.
Chris – Nova’s performance in this game is totally meaningless. When staked to a 15 run lead, Mitre could look like an all star. Nova will make his claim by not pitching and letting hughes pitch.
You can’t give what Cokoraod was asking without don’t a physical
Sounds like Rockies sent Ubaldo out there so the Indians would cave on fourth player.
Ubaldo has no idea where his 93mph fastball is going
nova pitching really well. yanks found their #5 guy. send hughes down to work out whatever his issues are
So now Colorado’s trying to blow out his arm in the first inning out there? How does that help trade him?
I find it hard to believe that all these teams are so involved with Jimenez if COL wouldn’t grant them physicals. Sounds like spin on the Yankees part.
Cleveland, a small market team with a shrewd GM and no pressure to win, is going to blow up his farm for a guy without giving him a physical?
Why would anyone here cry? This is all beyond our control.
its going to be great relying on Aj Burnett/Freddy Garcia/Phil Hughes/Ivan Nova in the playoffs. The Yankees have a right to ask for a physical and the Rockies have the right to say no. Its also very draw a conclusion about a guy because of one outing (i.e.: the one going on right now).
Carlo,
Hughes seemed to have a problem with a huge lead
Colorado needs to make a complaint to mlb. San Diego flashing Sherman’s tweets with Ubaldo on the mound.
M – lotta criers around here.
You can’t cry if the Indians gave up the farm and the Yanks couldn’t get a fresh physical.
“You can’t give what Cokoraod was asking without don’t a physical”
Blake
I think you need a designated blogger.
Ubaldo getting hugs in the dugout
Colorado needs to make a complaint to mlb. San Diego flashing Sherman’s tweets with Ubaldo on the mound.
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Is this true? If so, hilarious gamesmanship by the stadium ops
45 pitches, 4 runs in the first inning for Ubaldo. Could it be that they want the Rockies fans to be glad he is gone?
Good job by Nova. That is how you pitch with a huge lead on a hot night. Throw strikes, get ahead, then expand. Hope he stays up here.
Col. pressuring Cleve to make deal now by using UJim?
you can’t make that up…
The question is this: now we seem to be out of the Jimenez stakes, who is going to be the best pitcher available this winter? Because sooner or later, we’re going to need another genuine No. 2 starter.
Triple – like I said, hughes will pitch himself out of the majors before this performce puts Nova back in it.
# Tar July 30th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
“You can’t give what Cokoraod was asking without don’t a physical”
Blake
I think you need a designated blogger.
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BruceB – plan A will be to get CJ Wilson, when they don’t get him, Cashman will go to the garbage dump again in the hopes of fielding a rotation that can get them to october.
Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Carlo,
Hughes seemed to have a problem with a huge lead
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that game was a wash.
Yanks post season pitchers-
CC- Ace
AJ-?
Hughes-?
Nova-?
Colon and Garcia-Can they stay healthy?
Carlo,
seemed to work pretty well this year
“CC- Ace
AJ-?
Hughes-?
Nova-?
Colon and Garcia-Can they stay healthy?”
I’m pretty sure Colon’s your number two. And his arm seems pretty damn sound right now, so I’m not nearly as bothered by that as I might have been.
Is Hughes throwing a bullpen?
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Hughes in the bullpen wth lol
Hughes up in the pen?
Carlo…..Hughes needs to go down to AAA and get his work in at a very regulated pace and just get through the 2011 season healthy….
Phil in the pen? Has he lost his spot? Maybe so………..but if he has, he should be sent to AAA, not be put in the pen
Harden?
Lars Anderson pulled?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Throwing his side session no doubt.
cj wilson, come on down. you’re the next contestant on get a huge deal to be a left handed pitcher for the yankees
The pen is not going to cure Phil of his ills…………..and besides that, if the Yankees still have any hope for him as a starter, he needs to start. I don’t get this.
Nova has looked really good since the 1st inning. There is no way that Cashman can send him back to the minors and keep Hughes as the 5th starter. Yeah Nova has a 15 run lead but Hughes and even AJ wouldn’t pitch this good even if they had a 20 run lead. At this point Nova is better than Hughes. The Yanks have to admit that and move forward. Hughes warming up in the bullpen?
Nova pitching surprisingly well. Still want Hughes in the rotation and either have Colon or Garcia in the pen
JF,
Sorry, emoticon fail. That was a joke.
If Nova stays, Hughes should definitely go to AAA and not the bullpen…
Phil is warming up in the pen to taunt the Rockies.
O’Dooowwwwd, come out to plaaaay-aaayyyyyy
Yeah just the thing that the Sox need…another starting pitcher who can’t stay healthy.
This is the kind of game that might coax Ivan Nova into trusting his stuff.
Phil may just be throwing his session and getting his next start skipped…
Triple – sure, if the goal is to make the playoffs with little aspiration for much more then yes, it seemingly worked this year.
Aren’t physicals always a part of a trade? That’s what I don’t get……
That was one of the most uncomfortable looking HR swings I’ve ever seen. He almost jammed himself.
If Harden is healthy, it won’t be fun at all facing Lester-Beckett-Harden-Buchholz in a short series. Very tough to hit Harden.
Why destroy our farm system when colon & garcia,probably even nova might pitch as well or better than jimenez in the playoffs?
If we knew for sure jimenez can handle the al,then it might be a different story.
We might hurt our chances more by giving jimenez the playoff starts over others???
Baseball is funny like that.
Why would he throw his pen session at night – and why would he have his start skipped? He needs to stay on a regular routine – if not up here, then down in AAA.
I actually was hoping they would use Hughes throw day in the bullpen for a game. I still hope he starts on Tuesday. You can argue all you want 3 out 4 games with 5+ ip and 2 runs is not bad. He needs to be in the rotation in the Majors. Not in the minors.
Odds that Harden stays healthy? Quite low. He’s an injury waiting to happen.
Keep it down, Ivan.
Maybe they had Phil hold off on his side session in case they needed pitching in the 2nd game.
Is Buchholz going to pitch again this year?
If its a rich harden / lars anderson swap then I’m sorry but cashman is literally incapable of making a deal. Harden has stuff that plays in october. No he’s not a #2 or even a #3, but he’s good enough to throw in a short series and believe u have a good shot to win. AJ Burnett is not. Phil Hughes is not. So we’ll just hope Garcia and Colon stay healthy AND solid.
Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
No crying on this blog when this team doesn’t get out of the ALDS because they don’t have capable starters that can match up with other teams #2 and #3 guys.
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I got a laugh out of this one.
You’re assuming that Jimenez would be making a seamless transfer from NL to AL lineups. That’s difficult enough for any pitcher, let alone a pitcher whose stuff has diminished from the previous season.
So Jimenez has indeed been pulled, and is probably headed to Cleveland.
what’s harden going to cost the red sox? billy bean always asks for a lot
Colon & Garcia are not sure bets to last to october but Harden is?
Captain Clutch July 30th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Nova has looked really good since the 1st inning. There is no way that Cashman can send him back to the minors and keep Hughes as the 5th starter. Yeah Nova has a 15 run lead but Hughes and even AJ wouldn’t pitch this good even if they had a 20 run lead. At this point Nova is better than Hughes. The Yanks have to admit that and move forward. Hughes warming up in the bullpen?
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Yea because Hughes never pitched a good game
Carlo,
And a pitcher having an awful year with a a 4.60 ERA in the NL West is the answer to Oct success?
“Colon & Garcia are not sure bets to last to october but Harden is?
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Seriously. I trust Colon more than Harden at this point.
Harden last 2 seasons 121 IP 5 ERA, he has pitched 29 innings this year and is worse than AJ burnett
Hughes should be in AAA. If he wants to be a good major leaguer his secondary stuff must improve. An average fastball and average curveball isn’t good enough to pitch in the AL East. At some point the Yanks have to admit that and stop handing him a rotation spot on a silver platter.
I don’t want the Sawx to get Harden.
Hes a dominant pitcher if healthy. Yeah he might get hurt but I’d rather the Sox didn’t get to take that chance.
Gardner traded to the Rockies for Jimenez!
Little Dante has just been pulled from a marathon XBOX session, but it’s probably just to change into his jammies and go to bed.
The deadline isn’t officially over but you just know it is for the Yankees front office. These other GM’s can actually stomach dealing with Brian Cashman?
Yea because Hughes never pitched a good game
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When was the last time that happened? I don’t mean against a minor league lineup either…
No, I didn’t say Harden was a sure bet, but when u have multiple question marks already why not add one more in the hope 2 of them are ready come october. They have a slot to fill if they want with nova and hughes both going to scranton.
“Hes a dominant pitcher if healthy. Yeah he might get hurt but I’d rather the Sox didn’t get to take that chance.”
Agree
Phil is obviously just getting work in…..the bigger question is, what roster move gets mad after the DH. Dickerson unavailable for 10 days…..bring up Olson and send down who?
Golson, sorry. Damn iPad.
it was 2008 the last time Harden was dominant. Why not just go with Nova?
“When was the last time that happened? I don’t mean against a minor league lineup either…”
He was damn good in the Toronto game.
Why is the HUGE HARDEN question mark any better than Nova, Garcia, Colon, or Hughes?
Captain Clutch July 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Yea because Hughes never pitched a good game
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When was the last time that happened? I don’t mean against a minor league lineup either…
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this past Wednesday
Harden got banged around both times against New York last year, bring him on.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Gardner traded to the Rockies for Jimenez!
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LOL. Only you would trade Jimenez to Gardner.
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It’s official. UJim to the Indians.
*for Gardner, obviously
So will the Yankees actually call up Montero now???
I give hughes 1 more start,if he stinks,send him to AAA til he learns to throw a cu & curveball & tell him he is not coming up til then.
Hey Blake are you out there…..
Nova will soon have more wins than AJ Burnett.
I don’t mind Cano getting all these PAs. He’s been out of whack.
Bret – well, Dave Dombrowski stomach’d him enough to trade Curtis Granderson. Kenny Williams to trade Nick Swisher. I still like Cleveland’s GM at the time (I can never remember his name) trading David Justice to Cash, which won the Yanks the 2000 WS.
So, some, I guess some GMs can stomach him. Just not some here on LoHud.
Jerkface – the answer to why harden is simple. Its the same thing as buying multiple lottery tickets instead of one.
Literally every contender is making moves, except us. Does Cashman really believe we have a playoff-winning rotation?
Or is it that everyone always ask for more from the Yankees than they do other teams?
I wouldn’t trade prime prospects for Harden – we already have enough ? in our rotation; he just can’t stay healthy. Of course if he Sox get him for peanuts, that’s one thing, but the Yankees could never get anyone good that cheaply
Joe Gardner that is!
I bet he is not nearly as gritty as Brett Gardner
With the way Nova is throwing tonight, I’m happy he & Montero appear to be staying.
Joe,
You can probably count the number on one hand. Forming a package around Hughes was an insult. And insults are bad for business when you need a working relationship with about 30 front offices.
You know the deadline’s over for him. Plan B was Colon + Garcia.
We’ll see how it goes.
Is Robby’s dad the Orioles’ pitching coach?
LGY – the only remaining question regarding Montero is whether Tom Beringer is going to play him in the Bull Durham remake.
Bret The Hitman,
and not allowing a physical is good business?
Buchholz keeps regressing in his rehab. No timetable I believe for his return.
G.Love, although Cervelli is playing better, and had a pretty good first game today, I’d still bring up Montero and let him DH/BUC.
Hope you’re having fun at the Stadium. We did this afternoon.
Jerkface – the answer to why harden is simple. Its the same thing as buying multiple lottery tickets instead of one.
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We already own multiple lottery tickets, we don’t have room for more.
Triple, the guy was making his starts and clocking mid 90′s. What’s wrong with a physical after a trade? Did the Indians demand a physical before a trade?
Betsy,
I’m also curious about the physicals. Maybe they aren’t required, and only upon request? Or maybe Cashman wanted a physical BEFORE setting the parameters.
How is BOS able to get Harden? I thought they depleted their minor league system when they got AGon.
Good game for Nova coming up from AAA tonight. Slows the burden for getting a pitcher. We shall see what happens going up to 4 pm deadline tomorrow.
But we do have room for more. If they can send Nova down for an inept hughes then surely they can send him and hughes down for harden.
Many deals get done in August.
Cashman said it would be hard to improve the team.
Probably because the infield can’t be changed,lf,cf,rf can’t be upgraded with certainty or costing more than its worth & adding more payroll than it’s worth & there is no pitcher out there that is a guarantee,or close to one.
Jimenez would of cost us a ton of prospects & colon,garcia,nova might be better options.
I don’t blame cashman.
Where cash might of made a mistake was not getting lee last year.
But we do have room for more. If they can send Nova down for an inept hughes then surely they can send him and hughes down for harden.
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But why? Nova is just as likely to be good as Harden is, but you can only find out by pitching him in the majors.
No guarantee that we’re not doing something else, but I’m guessing the Big 3 are now safe through tomorrow.
Bottom line: barring an unexpected turn in events the Yankees will make no significant additions. There is no way to spin this as a positive.
What’s wrong with a physical after a trade?
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Because the point of a physical is to then veto the trade if it doesn’t come up positive.
M, either way it’s over and done with; I never thought Jimenez was coming here. I don’t expect this team to get deep into the playoffs, if we make them, but that’s why they play the games. Hopefully all the youngsters we’ve kept will turn into the goods.
Athletics are getting Lars Anderson & player to be named later from #RedSox for Rich Harden. #trades
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No way Cashman ever gets this consideration….
They would have asked for Montero and MannyB
Good luck to Christian Garcia, signed by Washington.
Jerkface,
Unlike Nova, Harden can actually generate a swing and miss.
There is no way to spin this as a positive.
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The Yankees keep their top 2 pitching prospects and their best hitting prospect.
GordonEdes Gordon Edes
ESPN’s Jayson Stark says Sox close to deal for Harden
13 minutes ago
Lars Anderson? LOL
It doesn’t look like Christian Lopez has missed too many meals since the DJ3K.
Did he eat HOPE Week???
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Good luck to Christian Garcia, signed by Washington.
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+1. What’s the source?
Bret The Hitman.
the guy was making his starts and clocking mid 90?s.
Then they should have no problem with a physical right?
Harden has not been good in 2 years, but was once good and currently owns a one K per inning ratio, and he’s better than Wakefield, Miller, and Lackey. Once again, boy genius gets gifted another early Christmas present for used smelly socks.
http://www.bostonherald.com/bl.....-anderson/
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ACK !
Joe – Great game. The first inning was hilarious. Love seeing Nova pitch. Couldn’t make it for Colon earlier.
Montero’s safe unless Felix, Kershaw hit the market before tomorrow which they won’t. The Yanks better give the kid a chance and stop keeping him down to protect trade chip status.
Bret – none of us know all the details. Besides, I think Cash, having actually been in the job for a few years, probably knows how to act with his peers in the industry.
Hey, maybe he felt Colo. was jerking him around. Not allowing a physical exam may have been gauche thing. I don’t know.
But, making judgments based on incomplete information is always difficult.
We will find out, over time, how Jimenez fares in the AL, and how Banuelos, Montero, Betances, all do…..
In the meantime, they still have a good team, they just have to consistently play that way, especially in October.
LGY July 30th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
So will the Yankees actually call up Montero now???
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Not before they bring back Mitre
I guess Anderson isn’t such a legend after all if they would trade him for a broken down pitcher.
Billy Beane is a genius, he picks up Harden, has him throw 29 innings and spins him for 2 prospects. Lars Anderson is terrible but he is better than 29 innings of Rich Harden.
Do these people carry their American Flags everywhere or just Yankee games?
As usual, Sox gave up nothing for Harden. A bust prospect.
yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Good luck to Christian Garcia, signed by Washington.
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+1. What’s the source?
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Washington Nationals
Signed: RHP Cody Davis (NDFA—Tampa), RHP Christian Garcia, RHP John Peters (NDFA—Augustana (Ill.)), OF Leonard Davis (New Jersey (Can-Am))
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....uly-21-26/
Jerkface – talk to me in 2014 when, if lucky, we’re reading about the banuelos rules. Maybe ubaldo wouldn’t have been a good deal and maybe he would have flopped……..but we’ll just sit tight and prospect hug while other teams add salary controlled 27 year old gifted starters. We’ll just grind it out with a $200 mm payroll and a ton of rotation questionmarks and do what we do best, swing for the fences in free agency.
Why does everyone think a 63-42 team needs so many changes. I am still expecting one minor deal, either tomorrow or after the waiver deadline. Yanks have enough talent in the minors and coming off the DL to win any playoff series. There is no need to push the panic button and trade the farm. I’m no prospect hugged, but there is nobody out there available that is sure enough to justify gutting the future for.
Do the Sox have anyone decent left in their farm system besides a SS who can’t hit?
Harden has been injured much of his career, that hopefully should not stop now. The Red Sox magic shouldn’t shine on Harden’s injury woes.
Congratulations Oakland – you just acquired Lars Anderson – aka Eric Duncan v. 2.0
Lars Anderson for a half-season of Harden is a pretty decent price. This could easily become a Nady-like trade.
Nova threw 60 pitches through the first 3 innings and has now made it through 7 with under 100 pitches.
Carlo,
I’d rather be talking about the Manny Rules than watch Ubaldo & AJ Burnett go back to back in the rotation with 4.50 ERAs and constant blow ups.
Montero+betances+nova just wasn’t doing it for me.
Carlo,
On one hand you are blasting the Yankees for not getting Ubaldo and on the other hand you are saying maybe Ubaldo wouldn’t have been a good deal.
If Ubaldo came here and flopped you would have been blasting Cash for getting him
“but we’ll just sit tight and prospect hug while other teams add salary controlled 27 year old gifted starters.”
Seems to me we have a 25-year old former All-Star trying to round back into form. But Ubaldo hasn’t suffered a significant drop in veloc…oh, wait.
I don’t see how you equate Jimenez with AJ at all
People seriously getting worked up over Rich Harden?
The Red Sox were going to acquire a SP at the deadline. If Rich Harden was the best they can do, that’s a good thing.
Even when he is healthy he is not particularly good anymore.
Straw – the problem with saying we would be “gutting the future” means that those who were traded would certainly be part of the future despite their current prospect status. Some here thought Andrew Brackman was going to be “part of the future” as recently as March of this year…….now he has as good a chance of playing in the NBA.
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Good luck to Christian Garcia, signed by Washington.
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+1. What’s the source?
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Washington Nationals
Signed: RHP Cody Davis (NDFA—Tampa), RHP Christian Garcia, RHP John Peters (NDFA—Augustana (Ill.)), OF Leonard Davis (New Jersey (Can-Am))
http://www.baseballamerica.com…..uly-21-26/
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Thanks. Looks like the Nats are picking up all our broken pitchers. Wonder how far along Garcia is in his rehab, and where he will end up this year.
Martin seems to be heating up again, which is great news.
wait…. i always believe that peter gammons has to say so i was under the impression that lars anderson is a future hall of famer. wow, the red sox overpaid for a pitcher that gets hurt a lot
Anderson was good like 5 years ago.. Glad to see the Yanks keep their prospects. I would’ve traded to farm for AGon too, but Casey Kelley, come on!!
From earlier today…..
• Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Tom in N.J. July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Kurkjian_ESPNTim Kurkjian
Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez. “
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Ut oh Guiseppe’s guarantee is on shaky grounds.
Maybe you can’t compare Harden and Ubaldo, but you can *easily* compare AJ and Harden at this point in their careers.
Doing something for the sake of doing something isn’t good. Look at Greinke. Imagine we dropped all those prospects on him only to have him get injured in spring playing bball and then come out with a 4.50 ERA? Sometimes the Yankees make good dodges. I’m sure there was a prospect price the Yankees would have met for Greinke or Ubaldo,but if the other team wants to find someone else to fleece more power to them.
Colorado sounded like a pushy boyfriend, “Come on babe, just give me a bunch of prospects, we’ve been going out for 2 weeks, come onnnn” and Cashman was the coy maid, “Nooo how about just a few prospects? Maybe a righty?” “Don’t be such a prude, Babe!”
And now Cashman isn’t preggers with AJ 2.0
What’s that ape going to do when he kills the humans in the helicopter? Maybe some money serum made him smarter, but he still doesn’t know how to fly a copter. #oopsimeanttopostthisonthelohudmovieblog
Who was the other prospect besides the incomparable Lars that the RS gave up?
nvm, PTBNL
Grienke is looking like a very bad decision for the Brewers right now. I’m really glad Cash didn’t bank on him.
Billy Beane is a genius? Just not enough to make that team a real team anymore. Cashman could be a genius too by unloading Colon and Garcia now, but unlike with the A’s you actually are trying to win, not constantly flip guys, build up prospects and hope for another run when a bunch of them pan out.
Carlo-
Banuelos will be part of the future, and so will either Montero or Romine. Nova has a chance to be, also. Now, I’d trade them all in a minute for Kershaw or Felix or even Gio, but for the guys discussed today.
Yahoo, we kept prospects that are years away or not being called up because of Jorge Posada and Francisco Cervelli. I am stoked
What’s that ape going to do when he kills the humans in the helicopter? Maybe some money serum made him smarter, but he still doesn’t know how to fly a copter.
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Monkeys are like the Matrix, they just absorb the knowledge of flying the helicopter. Or he jumps out the other side and grabs a vine.
So boston gets harden. I tell ya, the good news just keeps coming.
Colorado sounded like a pushy boyfriend, “Come on babe, just give me a bunch of prospects, we’ve been going out for 2 weeks, come onnnn” and Cashman was the coy maid, “Nooo how about just a few prospects? Maybe a righty?” “Don’t be such a prude, Babe!”
And now Cashman isn’t preggers with AJ 2.0
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I don’t care that this comparison is ludicrous. It’s still hilarious. Well done.
Maybe you can’t compare Harden and Ubaldo, but you can *easily* compare AJ and Harden at this point in their careers.
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You’re right.
AJ and Harden are both white, while Ubaldo is Dominican.
Triple – I’m not blasting them for not getting Ubaldo. Like jerkface said, the nova+betances+montero package was too rich and I have already said I would pass. I’m blasting cashman because he simply relies on free agency and when he does he gets fleeced. He also has a tendancy to basically state every decent prospect is “untouchable” and other GM’s probably laugh at him. Thinking this rotation is good enough to win in October is a tad too optimistic for me. either he doesn’t care or is looking at the bigger picture. In doing so, I hope he realizes by the time his “untouchables” are ready to contribute, arod will be old, jeter will be gone, rivera will be gone, and he’ll have had to pay up for sabathia yet again.
Billy Beane is a genius?
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As a prospect trader yes.
Maybe not for overall team composition, but he does have to deal with cheap ownership. To his credit, he has created a solid starting rotation, which Cashman gets constantly trashed for.
i don’t know which one made me laugh more, jerkface’s comment or Nick’s….
So boston gets harden. I tell ya, the good news just keeps coming.
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Add him to the list of injured Boston pitchers…
If not, i think the Yankees hit Harden pretty well…
There is no vine, he jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge!
I might have to go see this stupid movie to see what happens.
Oh, but that’s just what they want me to do…
# Chris W July 30th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Grienke is looking like a very bad decision for the Brewers right now. I’m really glad Cash didn’t bank on him.
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To be fair, Yankee fans were killing Cashman a year ago for the Granderson deal, especially since Jackson played well above his head.
Never evaluate trades after half of one season.
“Billy Beane is a genius? Just not enough to make that team a real team anymore. Cashman could be a genius too by unloading Colon and Garcia now, but unlike with the A’s you actually are trying to win, not constantly flip guys, build up prospects and hope for another run when a bunch of them pan out.”
What in the name of sanity would lead Cashman to trade Bartolo Colon, who has undergone an extremely successful experimental treatment, has no arm issues at all since then, and is throwing 95 mph with sinking movement?
# Jerkface July 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Doing something for the sake of doing something isn’t good. Look at Greinke. Imagine we dropped all those prospects on him only to have him get injured in spring playing bball and then come out with a 4.50 ERA? Sometimes the Yankees make good dodges. I’m sure there was a prospect price the Yankees would have met for Greinke or Ubaldo,but if the other team wants to find someone else to fleece more power to them.
Colorado sounded like a pushy boyfriend, “Come on babe, just give me a bunch of prospects, we’ve been going out for 2 weeks, come onnnn” and Cashman was the coy maid, “Nooo how about just a few prospects? Maybe a righty?” “Don’t be such a prude, Babe!”
And now Cashman isn’t preggers with AJ 2.0
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lol funniest thing I heard today
Carlo :
We have to wait & see how the future shakes out but you don’t know now.
Remember one thing,every player who ever played the game was a prospect at one time & you don’t know if you have a king felix in your system or an albert pujols til you look back on it after several years.
He also has a tendancy to basically state every decent prospect is “untouchable” and other GM’s probably laugh at him.
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If this were true the Yankees wouldnt be in every trade rumor. Legit or not, Cashman is obviously having discussions with these teams. The untouchable stuff isn’t as true as it appears, seeing as how the Yankees clearly would deal certain guys. Just not in bunches together. And seeing what other teams give up, thats the right play.
“Maybe you can’t compare Harden and Ubaldo, but you can *easily* compare AJ and Harden at this point in their careers.
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You’re right.
AJ and Harden are both white, while Ubaldo is Dominican.”
Umm, I was talking more about their rampant inconsistency, but okay then. Burnett’s actually got a better health record recently.
Good grief. Why are people afraid of Rich Harden?
Have some perspective.
Tar,
Yea im here
The Rockies seemed to be pushing really hard to trade a guy they really didn’t have to trade…..that was one red flag but to deny a physical on a guy you’re asking for top prospects in return for.would have been too much for.me as well. Free Montero!
Harden tells me that Boston doesn’t feel good about Butholtz coming back this year…..great day of baseball for the Yanks today…..yay offense! And yay Nova!
If the Sox are going with Lackey and Harden in the playoff rotation, I would feel pretty good about their opponents chances in those games.
Thanks. Looks like the Nats are picking up all our broken pitchers. Wonder how far along Garcia is in his rehab, and where he will end up this year.
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I’m going to have to adopt the Nationals as my NL team before long
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Chris I was being sarcastic. The Colon signing is a stroke of genius if we are going to praise Beane for Harden. Same with Garcia. But Cash gets no credit, that was luck. Beane is a genius because he got prospects in a trade for a team who will not make the playoffs this year and getting another 1B prospect in Lars who will never play in the majors.
Yeah, let’s consider for a moment, that the Yankees aren’t counting on Hughes nearly as much as the Red Sox are counting on Lackey, who has been awful for a while now.
And yes, it says a lot about the prognosis for Bucholtz.
All I’ve ever heard about Cashman is how great he is to deal with, and how active he is. I doubt any GM is laughing at him.
They should pitch Soriano in the 9th.
Ayala is a mop up guy, I would have loved to get Mike Adams or Uehara to replace him, but they come at a steep price.
“Chris I was being sarcastic. ”
Sorry, you never know with this group. I’m not here frequently enough to figure out who tends to be saner than not.
Blake, I thought all along that something was up with Jimenez’ health – after all, there was no reason to even float the idea about trading him. That’s why I didn’t really want him, esp. at the price he was going to cost. I’ve been leary of Liriano (in case the Twins were going to trade him) for the same reason…….very skeptical.
Umm, I was talking more about their rampant inconsistency, but okay then. Burnett’s actually got a better health record recently.
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Don’t you actually have to be healthy enough to pitch to be inconsistent?
“Yeah, let’s consider for a moment, that the Yankees aren’t counting on Hughes nearly as much as the Red Sox are counting on Lackey, who has been awful for a while now. ”
Not if you listen to Cashman, who keeps touting Hughes as a guy who is better than anything he can acquire on the market, which is completely false.
I like our future prospects with our current prospects.
If that makes any sense.
Jimenez not worth the price we would have paid.
Patience will pay off.
Soriano would be insulted to pitch against the Fightin’ Showalters with a 20 run lead I guess.
Can’t bring soriano in because he won’t feel the adrenaline and because the lead is so big he will top out at 83 mph.
Garden had thrownsome good games against the yankees butI’m still not afraid of him
The Cubs tried the Harden experiment, it failed.
The Rangers tried it, again not much.
The A’s get a handful of decent starts from him and are able to turn it.
Will anyone be surprised if Harden makes one start for Sox and is out for the year? No, but they didn’t give up much. Lars Anderson no one cares about anymore and is useless to them with AGone there. So they lost nothing and added another pitcher. They had nothing for Jiminez or Kuroda. And I take Harden over Bedard.
I believe Hughes has to clear waivers to be sent down to AAA. Does anyone on here truly believe he will clear waivers? Not a chance.
I believe Hughes has to clear waivers to be sent down to AAA. Does anyone on here truly believe he will clear waivers? Not a chance.
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No he doesn’t.
I’m a bit surprised Buck hasn’t had any of his pitchers throw at Yankee batters today.
yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Who was the other prospect besides the incomparable Lars that the RS gave up?
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Not sure, but it looks like Gammons can finally retire that Lars Andersson/Thor God of Thunder analogy once and for all.
I’m blasting cashman because he simply relies on free agency and when he does he gets fleeced.
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5/9ths of tonight’s lineup and the starting pitcher say hi.
I believe Hughes has to clear waivers to be sent down to AAA. Does anyone on here truly believe he will clear waivers? Not a chance.
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You sure? Because when he was hurt in April, there was first talk about sending him down to AAA.
TheStraw July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
If the Sox are going with Lackey and Harden in the playoff rotation, I would feel pretty good about their opponents chances in those games.
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You forget their bats. A 4-5 ERA on that team if they keep hitting is like a 3-4 on another team.
Ok its almost a save situation, warm up Soriano.
Betsy,
I wanted him but not for what they were asking and certainly not without a good checkup to make sure he’s healthy…….I did think they would trade him before the deadline though as there was just too much smoke to not be fire……it started out like what Towers did with Upton…..but then continued way longer and there were way more rumors of actual players being mentioned. Im fine with it though…..
Ayala hasn’t pitched in forever, has he?
Nova is our ace in the pocket. (calm down, I don’t mean a literal ace)
People worried about Hughes needn’t worry. We have Nova in our pocket.
Cash’s comment about Phil being better than anything they could acquire is going to sound silly if/when they send him down and replace him with Nova………..which could happen fairly soon. Of course he had to say that, but still
RhapsodyInBlue July 30th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I like our future prospects with our current prospects.
If that makes any sense.
Jimenez not worth the price we would have paid.
Patience will pay off.
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Rhapsody, some here can’t yet appreciate what was averted here, & what was protected.
Remember when people on here were scared of the “hard throwing left hander” Andrew Miller?
Now it’s Rich Harden.
“You forget their bats. A 4-5 ERA on that team if they keep hitting is like a 3-4 on another team.”
And how many times have the Yankees had dominant offenses and shoddy starting pitching and gotten knocked out in the first round?
5/9ths of tonight’s lineup and the starting pitcher say hi.
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6 of 9..
Only Jones, Tex and Martin were FAs.
Ayala pitched ysterday and wedsneday
Lars Anderson is from Oakland.
Harden did just beat us last saturday so let’s not pretend like he is the most tapioca pitcher of all time. He makes Boston better and losing Lars Anderson hurts about as much as bumping into brooklyn deckers chest.
Blake, I get that they wanted to deal him……….but since they did, I didn’t REALLY want him……..There just was no reason for the Rockies to trade Jimenez – teams do not trade their stud young pitchers, esp. if they have good contracts.
Ayala stinks even with a 14 run lead
He pitched yesterday? I missed that.
Chris W July 30th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
“You forget their bats. A 4-5 ERA on that team if they keep hitting is like a 3-4 on another team.”
And how many times have the Yankees had dominant offenses and shoddy starting pitching and gotten knocked out in the first round?
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What on earth does that have to do with the Sux bats this year?
Mr. Prufrock, what’s your opinion about Elvis Costello and the Talking Heads?
A powerhouse offense can’t make up for average pitching, thats not how baseball works. Only good pitching wins anything.
Yes, Lester, Beckett and Harden is really average.
Chris – those yankee teams that had shoddy starters had 5 guys like lackey and harden……they didn’t have two like beckett and lester. Let’s be realistic about their short series pitching, they’ll have the favorable starter matchup in virtually any game of the series. At worst a push if beckett faces verlander.
“Only good pitching wins anything.”
More accurately, I would say that great hitting does not beat good pitching. The Sox can beat up a lot of 3-4-5 starters and bullpens, but that doesn’t mean they will hit the 1-2s they meet in the postseason. This is rather subjective, and based mainly on the Yankees ALDS losses, to be fair.
I’m not scared about Harden, but I mean he’s their #3 starter……….With Lester and Beckett, the Sox are in great position for the playoffs
Anytime Gonzalez pitches the hitters better watch out
Take him out before this game gets close. Bring in D-Rob.
# Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Harden did just beat us last saturday so let’s not pretend like he is the most tapioca pitcher of all time.
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And Guthrie just beat the Yanks last night. That doesn’t mean I’d be afraid of him the next time he’s on the mound.
gotta mean that bucholz isn’t coming back this season
Anytime Gonzalez pitches the hitters better watch out
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Tex beat him to it…
Jerkface – just so u know, we have average pitching.
Karma is a b****
Adding injury to insult.
Lester and Beckett are very good. I would *not* put 2011 Rich Harden anywhere near them.
Yankee bats seeking retribution
Jerkface – just so u know, we have average pitching.
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Doesn’t mean they can’t win….
This is rather subjective, and based mainly on the Yankees ALDS losses, to be fair.
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Lewis, CJ Wilson, Byrd, and Rogers, ACES. Meanwhile the Rangers offense killed CC, our good pitching.
Honestly, as the team’s history goes, I am pretty happy with a 1-2 punch of CC and Colon. If Nova, Garcia, or Hughes can step up and be a good No. 3, so much the better. But Colon is for real. He’s past the point where I would expect regression.
People are overrating Harden something fierce.
There’s no guarantee he’ll even make it to the postseason given his long history of health issues.
He’s like the Eric Chavez of pitchers.
Jerkface – just so u know, we have average pitching.
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I was being sarcastic. Good pitching guarantees nothing. Ask philly or the braves or the twins when they were rolling out Johan Santana in the playoffs.
“Lewis, CJ Wilson, Byrd, and Rogers, ACES. Meanwhile the Rangers offense killed CC, our good pitching.”
The World Champion 2010 San Francisco Giants say hi.
You can have the best pitching staff and still lose. You can have the worst offense and still win. You never know in baseball. Just get to the postseason and see what happens. Go Yankees.
Jerkface – just so u know, we have average pitching.
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Actually the Yankees pitching staff has the best ERA+ in the American League.
Guiseppe – nobody said they’d be scared of harden. Heck, ubaldo beat us a month ago in the bronx yet seemingly he wouldn’t cut it in the al east according to some.
Mr. Prufrock, what’s your opinion about Elvis Costello and the Talking Heads?
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Neither are worth Dellin Betances, but I might give up Romine & DJ Mitchell for Elvis circa 1980.
Carlo,
We have a top 5 staff in the AL
If you literally need to fill your rotation with Hamels, Halladay, Oswalt, and Cliff Lee before good pitching means something, then its an unrealistic goal to aspire to and the team should be taking a more balanced approach.
I like the Yankees banking on their ace CC with reliable guys behind him and a great offense and a solid bullpen.
Cashman=Fail not 1 trade made and this team can’t win it all as is
Harden is a risky pick up…..if he stays healthy he’s an upgrade for them but if he does long enough to make an impact it’ll be the first time. If he doesn’t then its Lackey in game 3 for them…..
The World Champion 2010 San Francisco Giants say hi.
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The rangers staff was just as good. Wilson, Lewis, Lee??? A team has to win and lose, sometimes it doesn’t make sense which team wins.
“The World Champion 2010 San Francisco Giants say hi.”
Yes, but Cody Ross and Edgar Renteria destroying Halladay and Lee also say hi.
Cody Ross beat the best pitcher in baseball.
I wonder if cashman knows we lead the league in era+……if so, why doesn’t he just go on vacation?
Who are the reliable guys behind CC ……..esp. in the playoffs?
“Cashman=Fail not 1 trade made and this team can’t win it all as is”
Objectively, is this team *any* worse off in any department than the 2009 team? The bullpen is better.
Hey Blake just checking on you.
A tigers team that beat the Yankees lost to the worst playoff team in the past 10 years.
“I like the Yankees banking on their ace CC with reliable guys behind him and a great offense and a solid bullpen.”
maybe they’ll bring tonight’s offense more often and Friday’s offense less often down the stretch.
Ok, just for yuks..
CC vs. Lester…..CC
Colon vs. Beckett….crapshoot that could go either way, lean toward Beckett
Lackey vs. Burnett..another crapshoot
Garcia/Nova vs. Harden….I like our chances
Plus our pen is miles better….if you guys think this deal puts the Sox over the top, youre mistaken. Any playoff series between us and them will come down to how hot the hitters are more than the pitching match ups.
Betsy,
Who were the reliable guys behind Cliff Lee last year?
“Yes, but Cody Ross and Edgar Renteria destroying Halladay and Lee also say hi.”
My point was that C.C. getting battered wasn’t because the Rangers had such an amazing hitting team, but rather because C.C. spit the bit in that series. That dominant Rangers offense was ultimately held down by Lincecum, Cain, and company.
I wonder if cashman knows we lead the league in era+……if so, why doesn’t he just go on vacation?
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Don’t get all butthurt just because what you said was not correct.
Please also remember that CC pitched last year with a tear in his knee. The 2011 CC is better than the 2010 CC. Any disagreements there? So his performance last year comes with a side note for sure.
To those of u talking about our staff being among the best in the league. Save ur fingers the work. Yes, statistically our starters have performed well this season. Those who know baseball, and I know u guys to, realize there is a significant difference between good regular season number and pure stuff that can dominate in October.
Why do people keep trying to project October pitching?
Lee was compared to Bob Gibson through the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and was very average in the playoffs. CC was bad against the Twins and Rangers in game 1 while Colby Lewis shut us down twice. Kenny Rogers threw 8.2 shutout innings against us. Matt Garza outpitched Lester in a game 7. Burnett pulled a game 2 for the ages out of his rear end. etc. etc.
maybe they’ll bring tonight’s offense more often and Friday’s offense less often down the stretch.
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Well I would have preferred trading for a bat obviously because of what I said. And a starter like Kuroda. And 1 LHRP better than Boone Logan.
Rockies departing gift to Ubaldo: a no-decision
harden will have a 5 era in the al east. he’s a flyball pitcher. balls are going to pepper the monster in fenway
I’m happy with the lack of trades at this point by us… other then Pence (still scratching my head on that one), I think all the teams that were contenders looking to upgrade overpaid (wow, Cleveland really overpaid – SF overpaid but from a position of depth like us moving a minor league catcher). Only downside is I think a lot of the yanks prospects have max value now or are on the way down (Montero, obviously). But I think there wasn’t really an upgrade out there. I know our starters after CC are a bit either, inconsistent or overachieving, but I just remember looking at this website and every time the starters for a series are listed, I’d say 75% of the match ups, we got the guy with the lower ERA. They weren’t going to add a #2 without paying for it.. if felix or cliff lee was on the market it would be a different story… I don’t think Harden was a difference maker and if the tweet about the denial of a physical is true, I wouldn’t touch Jiminez.
Triple, huh? Wilson and I’m blanking out on his name, but they had another guy who also had a very good year.
My point was that C.C. getting battered wasn’t because the Rangers had such an amazing hitting team, but rather because C.C. spit the bit in that series. That dominant Rangers offense was ultimately held down by Lincecum, Cain, and company.
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Hitters have something to say about pitchers spitting the bit.
TheStraw,
I would give CC a slight edge but I don’t agree the Beckett VS Colon is a crap shoot. While our pen is better I think their offense is better and way more consistent
LGY – what I said was correct in the context we are discussing which is playoff baseball and playoff rotations. Our rotation is average in October. Definitely not a strength. Would be the weakest of the 4 playoff teams if the season ended today.
and pure stuff that can dominate in October.
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Lots of evidence against.
“My point was that C.C. getting battered wasn’t because the Rangers had such an amazing hitting team, but rather because C.C. spit the bit in that series. That dominant Rangers offense was ultimately held down by Lincecum, Cain, and company.
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Hitters have something to say about pitchers spitting the bit.”
Granted, but C.C. pitched poorly. He wasn’t throwing good pitches when he got rocked. If C.C. had been on, he could have shut down that lineup any way.
# Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Guiseppe – nobody said they’d be scared of harden. Heck, ubaldo beat us a month ago in the bronx yet seemingly he wouldn’t cut it in the al east according to some.
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Then why are people whining about the Red Sox getting Harden?
RT @JackCurryYES: Yanks can start Hughes Tues and Nova Thurs. Colon (extra day) would open Bos series Fri, followed by CC & Garcia
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Colon and CC good.
Didn’t Boston crush Garcia last time?
Maybe Nova or Noesi can start the third game? (i know Noesi wont)
Would be the weakest of the 4 playoff teams if the season ended today.
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Better than the Rangers, probably about equal with the Tigers.
Betsy,
Colby Lewis.
Colon and Garcia are having better years then they were last year
CC had a bad wheel in that Rangers series….he had surgery in the offseason.
Last playoff CC was pitching with a torn meniscus in his right knee. Hopefully, he will be healthier this playoff.
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
The first 3 innings has lasted longer than my first marriage.
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Probably more scoring too
Yes! Now is the perfect time to bring in soriano!
Would be the weakest of the 4 playoff teams if the season ended today.
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Not buying that.
“My point was that C.C. getting battered wasn’t because the Rangers had such an amazing hitting team, but rather because C.C. spit the bit in that series.”
I blame Phil Hughes.
I think we’ll be favored in most of our October games.
TheStraw July 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Ok, just for yuks..
CC vs. Lester…..CC
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Maybe not considering CC is 0-3 against Boston and Lester is 2-0 against the Yankees.
conversely, this team is not better than ’09… no Marte (laugh all you want, the guy was great in the post-season), no Joba (was OK in that post season) and most of all, no Pettitte. But really I don’t think there’s anything they could do about that at this trade deadline. Offensively it’s basically gardner and granderson in place of matsui and damon… I miss matsui and damon but games 163 and on, you’d have to figure matsui and damon would be really broken down at that point…
Weaker than Texas?
Weaker than Detroit? Cleveland?
Don’t know about that.
Triple, thanks!
Look, I love both Colon and Garcia, but the playoffs are a different story. Garcia would be the 4th guy, so how he does is not as big of a deal as how Colon does. Colon HAS to pitch like a #2 – and while he’s capable, I can’t say that he’s definitely going to keep this up and/or that he would kill in the playoffs. Without him as the #2, the Yankees SP is very weak
Lots of evidence against what jerkface? Are u stating that the lowest era+ in the AL in the regular season is the team that usually wins in the playoffs? Seriously?
how anyone can accuse C.C., who pretty much pitched the Yankees to the World Series in 2009, of ‘spitting the bit’, or choking, against the Rangers last year is not only a fool but knows nothing about baseball.
Every great pitcher loses sometimes, even in the post-season. Just check the records of Whitey Ford, Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, and Sandy Koufax if you want proof.
Maybe not considering CC is 0-3 against Boston and Lester is 2-0 against the Yankees.
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Right now i would assume Beckett would go Game 1 and not Lester.
So we can all assume Jiminez will be traded again soon enough when the Indians can’t and won’t pay him? He may end up here yet at some point, unless of course the AL isn’t quite as easy for him or the Yankees were right to ask for a physical.
I love beating the Orioles like the doormats they are…..
Lots of evidence against what jerkface?
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I’m saying pure stuff doesn’t automatically translate to october success. Smoke and mirrors guys have pitched well in October.
I wouldn’t assume that…………Lester has been their ace for several years now and I think he’ll start the first game of any series.
“no Marte (laugh all you want, the guy was great in the post-season), no Joba (was OK in that post season) and most of all, no Pettitte.”
Okay, Marte was great in the post season. Boone Logan could also have a great postseason.
No Joba? Have you *seen* D-Rob’s numbers this year? And Soriano is going to be better. The Yankees have a better bullpen now.
I know Pettitte has 10,000 postseason wins, but he wasn’t objectively much better than Colon this year.
So no, not convinced.
New mop up man Soriano? He said he’d accept any role
You know the 2009 team had exactly 2 consistent pitchers and a slightly less inconsistent AJ, and still managed to win it all . This rotation actually has way more depth than that one. We just don’t have the experience of Andy, so everyone is worried. But there is no reason the Yankees rotation can’t succeed in the playoffs.
I can’t say that he’s definitely going to keep this up and/or that he would kill in the playoffs.
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You can’t really say anyone is goin to keep it up.
Beckett is overdue for his annual finger or back injury. Lester has been hurt, Harden is always hurt, Lackey is awful, Miller, Wakefield, Aceves?
Just saying…
I love beating them because I want to see Buck’s smirk wiped off his face……after he made the comments about hating the Yankees, he’s someone that needs to be taken down a peg. I hope this was as humiliating for him as the score indicates.
“Every great pitcher loses sometimes, even in the post-season. Just check the records of Whitey Ford, Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, and Sandy Koufax if you want proof.”
I’m not saying that C.C. isn’t *entitled* to pitch poorly once in a while, the man is a beast, and the best front of the rotation the Yankees have had in a decade. But when your ace gets rocked in game 1 of a big series, how is that *not* choking?
Betsy,
My point was that at this time last year Texas fans could have been saying the same thing about how Wilson and Lewis would do in the playoffs.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
CLE deal for Ubaldo an aggressive gamble–helps chances to win in’11-13, at high cost. Indians didn’t have concerns other teams did. #trades
2 hours ago
Lefty Gomez was 6-0
It willl be interesting to see if Banuelous or Betcances make an impact on the big league club before year end even out of the pen. Why can’t Manny be the lefty out of the pen we are looking for at the end of the year?
CC lost a World Series game in 2009.
Triple, well we now have no choice but to hope that things turn out well…..
Manny can certainly be considered once the minor league season ends, to get a feel for the majors…. Doubt he will, but it’s always a possibility.
Soriano looking pretty sharp so far…..tight breaking ball there.
Soriano and Chavez returning are like trades…
Chris W July 30th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
“Every great pitcher loses sometimes, even in the post-season. Just check the records of Whitey Ford, Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, and Sandy Koufax if you want proof.”
I’m not saying that C.C. isn’t *entitled* to pitch poorly once in a while, the man is a beast, and the best front of the rotation the Yankees have had in a decade. But when your ace gets rocked in game 1 of a big series, how is that *not* choking?
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That is ridiculous. Choking implies a fear of pitching well, not getting beat.
Every pitcher has bad games, it has nothing to do with choking. Whitey Ford got rocked in the 1st game of the ’63 Series after setting a WS record for consecutive scoreless innings, did he choke or just have a bad game?
Always nice to sweep a double-header in convincing fashion. Go get Arrietta tomorrow and take 3 of 4.
Pettitte has had many blow ups in the postseason, and he wasn’t exactly dominant in the regular season. But those things don’t matter that much in the postseason when you have a veteran guy like that.
I can see Colon putting in some andy pettitte performances. Or Garcia. Would I prefer to have Andy in their place? Sure, he is like a binky, you feel safer with what you know.
Hey who is this guy pitching 1-2-3 innings
seriously how pointless was it to blow this much money on a set up guy?
The new bullpen upgrade looks alright.
Yankee playoff rotation: CC, Colon, Garcia, Burnett
Texas playoff rotation: ogando, wilson, harrison, lewis
Boston playoff rotation: lester, beckett, lackey, harden…..and if bucholz returns its lackey or harden for 4th spot
Detroit playoff rotation: verlander, scherzer, porcello, penny
Ok – we’d be better than detroit.
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That is ridiculous. Choking implies a fear of pitching well, not getting beat.
Every pitcher has bad games, it has nothing to do with choking. Whitey Ford got rocked in the 1st game of the ’63 Series after setting a WS record for consecutive scoreless innings, did he choke or just have a bad game?”
Can we just say we have different definitions of ‘choking’ and be done with it?
Soriano looks like he just had a root canal. Must be a fun guy to hang out with
Even in the years recently where the Yanks failed in the playoffs, they did so more because the bats failed than because of shoddy starting pitching.
Nicely done by Soriano. Perfect way to get him in game almost like a ST tuneup.
So will throw it out there again. Johan will pass thru waivers. If he proves to be healthy, don’t you have to make an offer on him, take some salary on and save your prospects? Say pay 14ish for two years and have the 5 buyout on the last? Mets save money. You save your prospects. CC, Santana and Colon would look good in a series no?
Why can’t Manny be the lefty out of the pen we are looking for at the end of the year?
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Not this again
Ok – we’d be better than detroit.
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And Texas
Nick in SF July 30th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
CC lost a World Series game in 2009.
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didn’t he give up 2 runs in 7 innings in that game?
Good job and nice to see Soriano back
Should have gotten rid of Hughes-less when his value was high. He’ll never be the same for Yanks again and Yanks now get nothing for him.
Need to better our team in some way at the deadline. 2nd or 3rd best team in MLB, but not good enough to win the World Series without a drastic upgrade behind CC. Only player left is Felix. Worth a shot, Betances, Montero, Banuelos, anything. Mariners have no reason to keep him. Mariners will always be cellar dwellers, fans only come to see a pitcher once every 5 days, not like a position player like Adrian Gonzalez with the Padres.
Not what again? Just like Hughes was. Just like Joba was. He is incapable of getting a lefty out in the majors? if that’s the case trade him now.
No……….I have no interest in Santana; at this point, he’s just a name……….a name who can’t stay healthy
I have no problem with Colon going against any team’s #2 in the playoffs.
Hughes, Betances, Montero, Banuelos, Brackman…
Texas is a coinflip at best jerkface.
It really annoys me that I’ve heard not a single murmur about cashman looking for a bat. I’m hoping its out of respect for Jorge in case he can’t get one he doesn’t want it out there that he was looking. This team needs a bat for October. Its my opinion that our offense has to be truly lethal to offset the shortcoming I see in our starters. Ironic comments on a day where we scored 25 runs, I know.
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Why can’t Manny be the lefty out of the pen we are looking for at the end of the year?
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Not this again
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Told ya Odds, we’re gonna revolutionize the game & have a guy for each inning.
There are a lot of overpaid bats out there if needed after the trade deadline. I would rather see what Montero can do for part of the year rather than bring someone else in.
Carlo, we have a bat; it belongs to Montero.
pretty good package the Rocks got for Ubaldo
will Montero but up Tomorrow?
Chris W July 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
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That is ridiculous. Choking implies a fear of pitching well, not getting beat.
Every pitcher has bad games, it has nothing to do with choking. Whitey Ford got rocked in the 1st game of the ’63 Series after setting a WS record for consecutive scoreless innings, did he choke or just have a bad game?”
Can we just say we have different definitions of ‘choking’ and be done with it?
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Choking has been essentially been defined as losing because of a fear of winning for as long as there has been sports.
CC has never been afraid of losing a game. He, as others have pointed out, pitched with a torn knee meniscus at the end of last season, that’s a gutsy way to perform at any level and the complete opposite of choking.
If you want to use a different, inaccurate definition that’s up to you but it’s wrong.
If Sori can stay healthy, pen will be in great shape for stretch drive into playoffs.
9:37pm: The deal is pending a physical for Jimenez, according to Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer (on Twitter).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
why do they get to do a physical
If I had to bet, I’d bet Montero will be up Sep 1.
Betances is on the 40 man.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see him in the bullpen at some point.
blake,
They gave up 1 top guy. Sorry I’m just not big on Alex White. To me he is no better then Nova.
“didn’t he give up 2 runs in 7 innings in that game?”
And then Phil Hughes gave up 2 more.
I won’t even get into Brian Bruney.
Hey, just sunk in we swept the DH.
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Can we please have Montero up for Fenway series?
Blake, that’s after the deal is done – I believe the Yankees were looking for one beforehand
Betsy,
MLB trade rumors says the Ubaldo trade is pending his physical.
So, I’m guessing the Rockies balked at a physical before finalizing a deal.
I don’t blame them, but I don’t blame Cashman for asking. Missing 3 mph’s and all.
The not granting yanks a physical was BS all along. They probably said no physical out of frustration because of cashmans stance on who he would deal or the entire thing about no physical is made up nonsense.
I love how everyone just assumes montero is going to come up and immediately be the impact bat we could use in October.
could we have arod for the fenway series? would prefer that and chavez at DH
Who goes down tomorrow when Golson comes up?
I’d check with Kenny Williams one more time before bed on Danks Cash….maybe he’s been hitting the sauce tonight or has just decided he wants to trade somebody…..
M, that’s a formality – every trade is pending a physical
Blake
why do they get to do a physical
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Because they traded for him. The Yankees weren’t denied a physical. They were denied on their request to administer a physical BEFORE consummating a trade. It was underhanded of the Yankees to ask for one without having a deal in place. The Indians can back out. The Yankees could’ve backed out after a failed physical, but only after trading for him and administering the physical after the trade. Nobody asks for a physical before trade consummation because it’s league policy for it afterwards.
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Why can’t Manny be the lefty out of the pen we are looking for at the end of the year?
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Not this again
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Told ya Odds, we’re gonna revolutionize the game & have a guy for each inning.
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Best BP in the game but no starters lol
Carlo, I’m assuming no such thing with Montero, but then I have no problem with him remaining in AAA
Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
The not granting yanks a physical was BS all along. They probably said no physical out of frustration because of cashmans stance on who he would deal or the entire thing about no physical is made up nonsense.
I love how everyone just assumes montero is going to come up and immediately be the impact bat we could use in October.
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Except no one said he’s going to immediately make an impact I don’t think. The sooner he gets here though, the sooner he can get comfortable.
i don’t think too many assume Montero will be the impact bat but he has the potential. No one will ever know the longer he simply sits in AAA and Posada and Jones are playing daily. I say at least see what he has, could he be much worse?
“They gave up 1 top guy. ”
He’s pretty good though…..they apparently were pretty motivated sellers for whatever reason.
Betsy,
the deal is pending a physical though….which means it’s not finalized right? I think all the Yanks wanted was to probably do a physical before the deal was finalized.
i doubt montero will be up tomorrow. or until september….
I have a huge problem with him staying in AAA. The current starting catcher can’t hit.
I don’t blame the Rockies for turning Cashman down in any case……..
Check out Montero’s year… why should he be rewarded with a call-up? where’s he playing? I keep hearing how Montero will be up right after the trade deadline
“jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
If I had to bet, I’d bet Montero will be up Sep 1.”
There ya go right there… Montero will be up Sep 1 (or whenever 4 days later when scranton’s season ends… and no b or b this year please.. we learned the lessons of hughes and joba!
Ok, so you and I will have to agree to disagree like we do on most everything……
Not sure what you are talking about but Yankees were looking for another lefty in the pen. It may come from inside the org and not a trade. So I guess you are expecting Marte back?
Alex Rodriguez could be an impact bat for us in October.
Bret,
Sherman’s tweet says only that the Yankees requested to do a physical if a deal was agreed to….not before. The deal with Cleveland is pending a physical right now.
Marte back would be immense.
J Alfred – read above, that’s exactly what someone said.
Blake………yeah, that’s what the Yankees wanted, but I don’t blame the Rockies for saying No. Presumably the Yankees had scouted him – just like every other team, you do the research and make the decision based on what you see as to whether or not the player is worth pursuing.
And no B and B? You know how many SP were relievers or came up in those spots first? Johan Santana and CJ Wilson are two that spring to mind.
*palm to face* – no russell martin is not jorge posada in his prime as a hitter, but have you noticed how much better our pitching is this year when it shouldn’t be? I think a lot of that is rothchild, but also I think the pitchers like throwing to martin. We just put out 17 runs tonight… once a-rod is back martin is no better than the 6th best hitter in the lineup…. if he hits/doesn’t hit like now, who cares if he keeps the pitchers happy and we score runs like we’ve been scoring.
Calling montero up will do like the mets did with F-Mart … kill his value as a prospect…
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
**This is the tweet. Actually, it doesn’t make much sense since a physical always takes place after a deal is agreed to.
Odds of Marte or feliciano coming back this year are about as good as seeing God naked at Yankee stadium.
If Gardner doesn’t save Nova’s butt with that great catch in the 1st this might have been a different game
Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
J Alfred – read above, that’s exactly what someone said.
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fine. He might come up, get on some streak, then slump a bit, then surge again. there’s no downside to him coming up as soon as possible.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Since #Rockies wouldn’t OK physical for #Yankees, maybe won’t for #Indians also, so let’s wait to see if this is completed
2 hours ago
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
2 hours ago
These tweets don’t jive with what is being written here. Or what is actually happening.
Phranchise: And you can throw Wainwright in there too.. but for every guy that did that, there’s 10 more who were ruined by it… and our organization has a horrible record now with it…
Betsy,
his velocity is down and they were asking for top prospects in return….If I’m the Yanks then I would have asked for one as well and if they denied it I’m taking that as a sign that they have something to hide. They had every right to deny it….but the Yankees had every right to pull their top guys off the table because of it.
Betances can get lefties out.
a physical always take place after a trade yes….but I think the Yankees probably wanted one after players were agreed to but before the agreement was actually made….just to check. They shouldn’t have had a problem with that really……
Blake, if the Yankees were that concerned, they shouldn’t have gotten involved in the first place. Yeah, they had every right to pull whomever they wanted, but if they offered up Phil and a bunch of other “eh” prospects in return, that’s insulting and a bad move.
I’d be fine with martin splitting chores with Montero for now. They can ease him in & throw him some turns at DH.
blake,
except the deal for Jimenez to Cleveland is now official PENDING A PHYSICAL! Cashman just didn’t want to give up what it would take to acquire Jimenez. Period. Now the Yankees are looking at nothing. Even the second tier market is basically dried up.
Calling up montero would be as a dh and Jorge would have to be the backup catcher for games where montero was dh’ing.
Would be nice if Santana returned healthy and mets passed him through waivers. They have assembled a nice group of young starters…….shedding santana money could help the rebuilding.
Blake,
I don’t think that’s what Sherman’s tweet said. It said that the Yankees asked for a physical and were denied so they dropped out. That was a talking point coming from the Yankees front office. They didn’t want to meet the asking price is the real reason to make the fans think they did their best to bolster our WS hopes when in fact they did the opposite.
Blake, agreed to/agreement being made is the same thing. Either way, the deal is not completed/paperwork signed until after the physical………..
So far–of all the pitchers acquired–the only one that intrigued me was Fister going to Detroit. I think he would have played well here, and helped in play-offs.
I would definitely not want to play Detroit in a short series–especially as the wild card team.
Regarding the Jimenez trade, I’m a little confused. Did Cashman want to have UJim get a physical, or did he just want to cough while Dowd held him?
How do you not root for Nova?
Blake, if the Yankees were that concerned, they shouldn’t have gotten involved in the first place.
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Silly. They wanted to do their due diligence.
If the Yankees didn’t view JImenez as an ace and the Rockies did, there was never going to be a meeting of the mindsd
Bret The Hitman,
The asking price that was more then what the Indians gave up right?
Yeah, Jerkface, they did their due diligence – and decided that they were not going to accede to the Rockies’ demands. That’s fine – they had the right. I don’t know why they were so concerned anyway – had they reached an agreement, a physical would have been done. Had Jimenez any problems, he would have flunked it and the trade would not have gone through.
Bret,
Sherman’s tweet says that they asked for a physical after a deal was agreed to and were denied….so that’s a little confusing. I agree though that it probably had more to do with just not wanting to pay the price and I’m fine with that really. I never wanted to include Montero and apparently that would have had to happen.
# J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
How do you not root for Nova?
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He has been a plus this yr. 9 wins for the team and getting better as the season goes on
you guys are also assuming that Sherman is right about Colorado denying the Yankees request for a physical. this is clearly not the case if Jimenez is getting one in Cleveland.
Betsy….And then Cashman comes back with a deal around Hughes who just came off the DL who the club hasn’t fully explained what ailed him beyond the 100 extra innings he tossed in 2010……Along with some players who weren’t most likely on O’Dowd’s list of players he’d consider….Granted this is all based upon Sherman’s twitter comment…….Some here might view Cashman as a hero because he didn’t trade away Montero & Company, but in reality I’m hard pressed to recall such behavior other than Jack Z last season with Cliff Lee….And even that crap wasn’t quite to this level
Yeah I hear you, but just as many young starters just don’t pan out without the cause going from pen to starter. And I doubt Hughes issues were from pitching in the pen for 2009. First half of 2010 he was tremendous as a starter. It’s just too many innings too quick to expect arms not to break down or tire. Matusz, Cecil and a few others have also suffered this this year. Joba I can see, but I always was in the starter camp, but if you make that move, you stick with his struggles there. Mulder, Zito, Hudson were three great ones and Hudson was the only one that made it really. It happens with young pitching, no guarantees. Look at how many times Bucholz has broken down.
So the Yankees are saying that O’Dowd refused them the right to give him a physical before the trade is complete?
Pretty damning accusation. It would make more sense if they refused to allow the Yankees to check him out BEFORE the trade was about to be finalized.
If O’Dowd granted that to Cashman, he would have to grant it to every team interested in him and with time of the essence at this time a year, I can see why he would be reluctant to do so.
Why wouldn’t Colorado try to sell him as a #1. I’m still trying to figure out their urgency to trade him…..as this week went on it was more and more clear that they were going to trade him before Sunday and the highest bidder was going to get him……makes you wonder why with his contract.
Is Soriano doing his interviews in Spanish now?
They’re trying to trade him cause their team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Sherman hasn’t had insightful news about the Yankees in quite some time. I never really think too much about whatever he writes. Heyman seems to have better sources even if Olney and others can’t stand him.
Forgot about fister…….verlander, scherzer, fister, porcello is pretty comparable with our 4.
makes you wonder why with his contract.
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Only that comes to mind is he’s a time bomb waiting to explode.
Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out
**This is the tweet. Actually, it doesn’t make much sense since a physical always takes place after a deal is agreed to.
No, they don’t always take place.
It has been confirmed multiple times now, Colorado wouldn’t allow the Yanks to do a Physical.
Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
Person with knowledge of the situation confirms earlier report by @joelsherman1 , Rockies wouldn’t OK a Yanks’ physical for Ubaldo.
*after the trade is complete
Kind of funny to consider that Nova has more wins than Colon….
Pat M,
seems like the Rockies must have done something to tick the yankees off and that’s why they pulled all the players off the table….I was just putting Sherman’s tweets together with that and figuring that the physical thing might have been what it was……
Ledger_Yankees Star Ledger
Re: Ubaldo, person familiar with talks says Yanks “were off him awhile ago.” Scared off by Jimenez’s velocity drop. Had major concerns.
Pat M, it’s so bush league of Cashman …… IF that’s true. There was no need to insult the Rockies – they didn’t do anything wrong. They valued their pitcher differently than the Yankees did – it happens. Besides all this and how it makes Cashman look like Jack Z, what this says is that Phil has used up all his currency with the Yankees. That is to say, he’s not going to get the benefit of the doubt anymore – he’s going to be treated just like any other young pitcher.
sounds like to me that the Yankees asked to do a physical after players were agreed to….the Rockies denied the request and the Yankees got mad and pulled all the players they wanted off and replaced them with Hughes etc…..
Blake, yeah – there’s probably something up with Jimenez -otherwise, there is no reason to trade him.
only thing that*
Maybe it will take a medium that allows for more tham 140 characters tell the full story of what happened with the Rockies and Ubaldo. #ormaybenot
Sherman broke the news that cash man was on the flight from Vegas to San Fran to lock up CC. That’s the last scoop he got.
Blake, that’s what happened………and it makes Cashman look very bad. It makes him look like an angry,immature 5 year old
Blake,
Sherman and his source have some “misunderstanding”. Every team has the right to a physical after a trade and can send that player back. If that’s not league policy then it would create a huge loophole. What the Yankees probably wanted was information that you can’t deduce from a routine physical…medical records, ex-rays…basically information you don’t have a right to unless you control that player.
Really don’t blame Cashman for wanting to check a guy out whose velocity is down and whose team is pushing to trade him when they really have no reason to have to……especially when top prospects are being traded to get him. Lot of red flags there to not make sure he’s healthy before agreeing to do the deal…….the denial suggests that Colorado was hiding something to me.
Sherman’s tweets indicate the Yankees and Rockies last talked 4 days ago
Cashman’s etiquette a big concern here?
Sheesh.
Not very
Kind offunny to consider that Nova has more wins thanColonAJ….Carlos, a physical is always held after a trade – always.
Betsy,
why is that…..if you were paying top dollar for a new car and the saleman wouldn’t let you test drive it first would you want to sign the contract? I wouldn’t…..there were red flags on Ubaldo health wise and I really can’t blame Cashman for wanting to make sure he was healthy before trading maybe Montero, Betances, and Nova + away.
Yes, but maybe the Yankees asked for the Rockies records before the trade?
I can remember what happened with Adams in the Lee trade, but didn’t the M’s pull the trade based on Adam’s xrays before the trade was actually consumated???
If O’Dowd denied the physical after Cashman made that Hughes offer, then I can’t blame him.
If Cashman made that Hughes offer after O’Dowd refused the physical, it makes Cash look like a child. Basically, it shows how little they value Hughes that they would ship him off for a guy who they are concerned about and can’t even physically check out.
We’re now even in games with Boston & 2 back. I want Montero for Fenway since no Alex yet
waka flocka July 30th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
So, whats up with your comment this morning ?
10:04pm: The Rockies announced the agreement, pending a physical (Twitter link). They obtain White, Gardner, McBride and a player to be named for Jimenez.
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Not that great of a trade for Colorado – no Drew.
jonmorosi
#Rockies announce Jimenez trade, pending physical. #Indians give up Alex White, Joseph Gardner, Matt McBride and PTBNL (Pomeranz).
# Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Blake, that’s what happened………and it makes Cashman look very bad. It makes him look like an angry,immature 5 year old
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lol that’s the type of thing that happens on blogs and message boards.
Warning Will Robinson . . . passive aggressive Phil Hughes hatred in the house.
Love these tweets…….yanks off him for a while, concerned about velocity drop……then why were they ever on him considering the velocity has been down all year…..then again, they signed Feliciano then got the memo that he logged 200 innings in the last two years.
No Blake – as I said, if there were issues with Jimenez, they’d be found out in the physical to be taken after the trade. Also, I have already said I don’t have a problem with the Yankees pulling out – they should have left it at that instead of offering up Hughes and assorted “eh” prospects
So they didn’t even land that second pitching prospect? Nice, after initially wanting all four Yankees guys.
Yawn… people who didn’t like Cashman before using any opportunity to bash him they can find.
WCYF:
A ‘Lost in Space’ Fan………….LOL !
keithlaw keithlaw
“We want 2 significant prospects for our pitcher who has suddenly lost 3 mph off his fastball, and you can’t do a physical.” “It’s a deal!”
2 hours ago
Jack Z. continued to shop after already having a deal in place with the Yankees.
Not the same thing at all, not even close.
I thought they were getting that Pomerantz that everyone is high on
I think I’ll trust Cashman’s judgment in handling the situation over anyone on this board. I’m sure he had good reasons for offering what he did. Which, by the way, included a first round pick who won 18 games last year. His name ain’t exactly mud, despite his struggles this year.
We are assuming that Cashman actually did offer Hughes. This is according to one source who hasn’t been terribly reliable in the past. Wasn’t he trying to offer up us potentially getting Dominic Brown the other day to flip him?
blake…..Let’s recap…..The Tribe will be allowed a physical and the Yanks were not ???? If there is any bs the deal is voided out by the Commish Office….It’s a spin control effort by Sherman…….Hell, Cashman and O’Dowd were still working out a trade as of yesterday……To come back and offer Hughes who just came back and some less than sterling low minor leaguers tells me Cashman wanted an out…….
lol that’s the type of thing that happens on blogs and message boards.
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You mean people making assumptions without direct knowledge and based on conflicting information, parts of which they simply choose to believe to back up their preexisting hatred?
Yes, I agree.
Anyone understand the reason for a PTBNL? Especially in this case where player is already known?
RSM, they are different things, but of the same quality. If he was upset at the Rockies, then he could just have walked away. Tell me what the point was of offering up Phil and co………….?
Betsy,
we don’t know the specifics of the Hughes offer or even if that’s accurate…..even if he did it may have been a situation where the Yankees said …..well we don’t feel comfortable giving these players without assurance that he’s healthy….so without the physical our offer drops to this…..I don’t see a problem with them doing that really.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#Rockies announce Jimenez trade, pending physical. #Indians give up Alex White, Joseph Gardner, Matt McBride and PTBNL (Pomeranz).
5 minutes ago
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Always a pending physical.
The Yankees would’ve had the same thing.
They wanted records, personal medical information before the trade with pending physical.
Because Pomeranz has been signed for less than a year, so he has to be a PTBNL until his signing anniversary.
I don’t think you can deny a physical after a trade – that’s mandatory, isn’t it?
Vineyard,
you and WCYF (if you’re not the same person) make me mad. in turn, i wish you were not around. all you guys do is spew nonsense and try to get under people on this blogs skin. its annoying.
Pat M. July 30th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
blake…..Let’s recap…..The Tribe will be allowed a physical and the Yanks were not ???? If there is any bs the deal is voided out by the Commish Office….It’s a spin control effort by Sherman…….Hell, Cashman and O’Dowd were still working out a trade as of yesterday……To come back and offer Hughes who just came back and some less than sterling low minor leaguers tells me Cashman wanted an out…….
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The front office is not taking me for a sucker. They can shove that spin up their tightwad asses.
“Tell me what the point was of offering up Phil and co………….?”
If this is even true, maybe it’s the same point the Rockies made when they asked for Montero- + Banuelos + Betances + more…. to see if the other guy will give you the better end of the deal.
Thx Face
Bret are you that upset that UJ is not a Yankee?
TheStraw July 30th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
I think I’ll trust Cashman’s judgment in handling the situation over anyone on this board. I’m sure he had good reasons for offering what he did. Which, by the way, included a first round pick who won 18 games last year. His name ain’t exactly mud, despite his struggles this year.
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Wrong! There is only one acknowledged Hughes expert in baseball and their name isn’t Cashman.
Blake, so let’s say that was the case – they’d be willing to dump Hughes for a guy that they weren’t convinced was healthy? Forget the other stuff- that’s tells you a lot about Phil’s standing in the organization.
Pat M,
Yea I don’t know how it went down….it seems there are some weird reports here and the Sherman thing doesn’t make a lot of sense. Maybe the Yankees requested to look at his medicals or do a physical before the agreement was actually made but after the players were loosely agreed upon…..and maybe the Yankees weren’t prepared to make their best offer without that assurance (his velocity is down)…..maybe they were prepared to make a lesser offer without the physical but not their best offer….I don’t know.
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Bret are you that upset that UJ is not a Yankee?
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That’s what most of this is, and preexisting dislike of Cashman.
Blake, we agree on most things, but clearly not on this. The Yankees were always going to get their physical……after the deal was done.
The rare trade where the PTBNL is actually the best player in the deal.
Betsy,
I’m just speculating and trying to make sense of what happened. I think the primary reason it didn’t happen was just because the Yanks didn’t like the price tag…..
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Bret are you that upset that UJ is not a Yankee?
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Know I’m thrilled Colon on fumes is our Game 2 starter.
WTF do you think?
Pomerantz can be added as PTBNL @August 15.
Blake, yes – that’s the reason………..so be it; the Rockies had the right to ask for what they wanted and the Yankees had the right to refuse. So, a deal wasn’t done and we move on…….
As is typical, some are trying to create news where there is none. The Ubaldo thing is simple. The Rockies valued him differently than the Yankees did; Cashman did not want to give up what they were asking. Period.
Betsy,
yes I know that….just trying to figure out what Sherman was talking about.
*Pomeranz*
Bret lost his dog, oh noooo
Are the Yankees going to keep Montero in AAA to preserve his trade value for this winter?
waka flocka July 30th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
‘I make you mad’ ? I was talking Baseball last nite when you made your lovely post. Don’t you think you crossed the line ?
West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
As is typical, some are trying to create news where there is none. The Ubaldo thing is simple. The Rockies valued him differently than the Yankees did; Cashman did not want to give up what they were asking. Period.
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And it should be simple to be honest with the fans about it and don’t bend information through your little lapdogs in the media.
As long as your GS stock is turning a buck.
Blake, well as I said Sherman’s tweets are very confusing……………not that it really matters at this point anyway
“Always a pending physical.”
That’s not true!
No Ubaldo, oh well. It’s nice to see Cashman toe the line and not give in to the ridiculous demands of these other GM’s.
“Are the Yankees going to keep Montero in AAA to preserve his trade value for this winter?”
whats the career HR record for SWB? It might be in danger.
Cleveland goes to the RSox and Texas next so Ubaldo’s first AL start figures to be at Fenway or Arlington. No easy task.
Conspiracy theories abound……maybe the management simply believes their team that is 21 games over .500 is good enough to beat anyone and doesn’t need to be tweaked much.
I still don’t get why a team based in the Bronx (tough) can’t send a few skull thumpers to Seattle (soft) and tell Jack Z…
“Either your signature or your brains will be on this trade proposal. You chose.”
How is it not true that deals are always pending a physical? What team would ever agree to a trade without one?
# Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Bret are you that upset that UJ is not a Yankee?
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Know I’m thrilled Colon on fumes is our Game 2 starter.
WTF do you think?
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Oh yea that’s right I forgot the season is over because the Yankees wouldn’t take a pitcher the Rockies were dying to dump.
The Phillies believe in themselves. The Giants believe in themselves. Both 1st place teams got aggressive and improved themselves. You can believe in yourself and strive for improvement at the same time, kind of like patting your head and rubbing your stomach.
So…..the Sox got Harden.
# jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Bret are you that upset that UJ is not a Yankee?
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That’s what most of this is, and preexisting dislike of Cashman.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
I haven’t been happy with Cashman over the past yr or so based on the handling of Joba and certain comment he has made but I’m not going to kill him for this.
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Can someone provide accurate information (with a link) about the taking physical aspect of trades?
Well this is what I do know…….Cashman lost out on Lee, Haren and now Ubaldo…..We know how last years non trades helped in October, so let’s see how this non deal works out in the time that remains on his contract and beyond
Pat. M,
I want to strangle the man. I really do.
So…when are they demoting Phil Hughes to AAA?
“Well this is what I do know…….Cashman lost out on Lee, Haren and now Ubaldo…..We know how last years non trades helped in October, so let’s see how this non deal works out in the time that remains on his contract and beyond”
The Haren deal was the one that is proving to hurt because the price tag was rumored to be much lower in that case than the other two. I can’t disagree with your statements as they have lost out on the last 3 pitchers they’ve looked in to acquiring…..just don’t seem to be willing to pull the trigger on the prices that teams are asking….could that pay off….yes, could it back fire…yes.
Ubaldo grinning like Andruw as he talks about how it’s ‘really hard’ to leave the Rockies.
robneyer robneyer
Derrek Lee Dealt To Pirates In Exchange For Aaron Baker sbn.to/pGed4X via @sbnbaseball
2 minutes ago
Can I remind you guys that Lee got shelled in the World Series?
“Ubaldo grinning like Andruw as he talks about how it’s ‘really hard’ to leave the Rockies.”
he has to go to Cleveland….hope he has midge spray
What now? Yankees aren’t winning sh*t with the current rotation.
“Can I remind you guys that Lee got shelled in the World Series?”
to be fair though…..his team got to the WS though and beat the Yankees to get there.
Bret I hope you’re joking and just looking for a laugh
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
ubaldo deal announced by indians, pending physical. #blockbuster
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pending physical. The Indians are getting one. Period.
Thank you Brian Cashman for refusing to get fleeced by the Rockies.
Please sign me up for more pitchers with shaky control and 4.60 ERA’s
Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
So…when are they demoting Phil Hughes to AAA?
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As soon as Betsy gives the AOK to Cashman.
Bret,
Aren’t you an expecting father?
Lee got shelled in one game & the other he gave up the big hit to Renteria.
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Bret the Hitman, there’s yet hope:
DeJesus pulled after first AB…ala Kevin Goldstein
Scary for humanity, this chimp has now moved on to helicopter flight school:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....i-zoo.html
blake….And I’m giving him a pass on Doc Halladay because Cashman was against the great Divisional divide on that one…..
J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Thank you Brian Cashman for refusing to get fleeced by the Rockies.
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Exactly. Cashman seems very committed to his home grown development plan.
I wouldn’t want Hughes in the minors either. I wouldn’t want him leaving his aura of failure around the Yanks’ youth. The youth are in the formative stages of their baseball careers. Luckily in the majors, Hughes cannot affect Mos and Jeters. I’d keep him as far away from Nova as possible.
m,
Yes m unfortunately. I got into some trouble.
Cashman seems very committed to the development plan, but the Yanks never bring up the Monteros or the top prospects due to fear
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
What now? Yankees aren’t winning sh*t with the current rotation.
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How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?
RSM July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Can I remind you guys that Lee got shelled in the World Series?
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And also took less money from the Phillies. So we would have lost out on Montero and Lee in the 2010 season
What’s everyone upset about?
We lost out on a 2010 Allstar pitcher that dominated the 1st half of 2010 and is struggling with injuries & lost velocity ever since.
Don’t we already have one of those?
Jacob Ruppert July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Cashman seems very committed to the development plan, but the Yanks never bring up the Monteros or the top prospects due to fear
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Agree, there’s a disconnect. They are happy to try things if they go optimally but when a young pitcher struggles, their hands get clammy. They have got to get over that. There’s no room for a dinosaur in this sport any more. They’ll never succeed trying to band-aid holes caused by failure to develop their own core players.
Pat M,
I don’t know what happened with the Haren thing….but would you have given Montero, Betances, and Nova for Ubaldo without seeing for yourself that he was 100% healthy first? I mean his velocity is down about 3 mph from last year and his team was awfully anxious to trade him even though he’s on a very friendly contract. All I’m saying is that’s a lot to give up unless you know what you’re getting health wise….
Bret,
Well, you should embrace it. It will change your life. And give you some perspective. I would say that it would make you less bitter, but I have no doubt that many people here are fathers on top of being world class whiners.
Anyway, best of luck to you. Hope you have a healthy boy or girl.
Jacob Ruppert July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Very true and since it is now after the ASB, Jesus can come up without affecting his future arbitration years, correct ?
Looking at this another way…maybe Cash realizes that the core of the Yankees dynasty is either gone or on the way out and trying to build a new one the same way Stick Michael did….from within. It worked for those teams and worked (largely) for the Braves of the same era, who kept all their homegrown putting but had the misfortune of facing the Yankee dynasty twice in the WS.
Keep the key pieces for the future…the team is in as much of a transition mode as they are allowed to be in. And yet they still have a chance to contend for the title.
Oops. That looks bad. Not calling you a whiner.
Just saying that I hope that becoming a father helps you realize that are more important things in life than what happens (or doesn’t) with this team.
m,
If you only knew what she is putting me through. Just trying to stay focused on school. Seems like there’s nothing to see here and I won’t miss much if I leave now.
Are you with her or not? What is she putting you through? Like she’s trying to put you in the wringer or she wants you to go out for ice cream in the middle of a no-no?
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
What now? Yankees aren’t winning sh*t with the current rotation.
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How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?
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I never knew you had the power to predict the future, but my advice to you is to definetely stick to your day job.
Using the word “unfortunately” in the same sentence as “having children” is not a good thing.
It’s not making me any less bitter, m.
I understand how its tough for Steinbrenner Yankee fans to hear over and over again that the price was too high for the Yanks to do something…..and it does seem like we’ve been hearing that a lot the last couple of years…..but in this case with Ubaldo I really can’t blame the Yankees from walking away if the price was what was reported and the Rockies apparently wouldn’t budge or cooperate on giving the Yankees piece of mind that the player they’d be trading a big chunk of their farm for was healthy.
I wanted him….I was hoping they’d be able to get him, but I was also hoping they could get him at a price that was fair and that took into account that he isn’t having the greatest of years and that his velo is down…..
m,
She is crazy, unstable, deceitful. She’s a pathological liar. I won’t be able to make this situation with her normal for any living being, let alone a human child.
Nick,
You’re expecting, too? Congrats! That $25 will come in handy. Should cover about 2 wks worth of diapers.
Bret,
That is too bad.
This isn’t the one you took on a picnic is it? Doesn’t sound like it.
Make sure you protect yourself. The main thing is the child. You’ll regret it years later if you don’t fight to be part of the child’s life.
Night all….nice wins today. Hooray offense! Go for the series win tomorrow!
That’s not exactly what I meant.
Straw, well said. There’s also a disconnect on this board on what exactly the Yankees would have been parted from. If you look around other boards, there’s a much firmer grasp of who these elite prospects are that we held onto. There’s a sigh of relief from many.
Good night, all.
So I am in Charlotte getting away from it. Getting high. I like the stuff now more than ever – it’s the pressure in classes for science majors. I have an organic chemistry exam Monday (summer session) but I’m going to drop it. I’m allowed one drop.
Ken Rosenthal
#WhiteSox seeking rotation depth. Traded Jackson to save money, now concerned they’re too thin. #tradedeadline #MLB
11 minutes ago
One thing is for certain, Brian Cashman is adamant about stepping out from the checkbook GM shadow….It should look swell on his resume come November
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Deals happen all of the time at this time of the year with no physical. Physical for Ubaldo is the wrench created by the 45 pitch inning.
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
What now? Yankees aren’t winning sh*t with the current rotation.
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How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?
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I never knew you had the power to predict the future, but my advice to you is to definetely stick to your day job.
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I presented it as a hypothesis if you care to re-read it, & was asking genuinely what your thoughts were in each scenario. But really, never mind.
No worries about my day job, I make my own hours. Just lucky, I guess
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Good night, all.
pat m,
i am really beginning to see your point. losing montero would have hurt but that would have been the cost of doing business.
i really hope cashman has some magic up his sleeve. maybe the same package for king felix?
Paleolithic man smoked weed?
i really hope cashman has some magic up his sleeve
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Nope, that’s Austin Kearns peaking out.
And drank some wine tonight.
No grains in wine.
Pat M. July 31st, 2011 at 12:07 am
Post of the year. Thanks for the brute truth.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:08 am
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
What now? Yankees aren’t winning sh*t with the current rotation.
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How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?
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I never knew you had the power to predict the future, but my advice to you is to definetely stick to your day job.
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I presented it as a hypothesis if you care to re-read it, & was asking genuinely what your thoughts were in each scenario. But really, never mind.
No worries about my day job, I make my own hours. Just lucky, I guess
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Good night, all.
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Are you hiring? I make a mean cup of coffee?
So, the Indians are watching the first inning in horror (after it was said he would be scratched), and say, “Hey! We need to check his arm out before we agree to this.”?
That kind of wrench?
Felix is only one worth getting at this point and should be available. Mariners have no need for him because they will be cellar dwellers for years to come. Fans only pay to see him once a week. Betances, Hughes, Brackman, Banuelos, Montero, etc.
So they lost out on Ubaldo Jiminez. So what. I think they were trying to drive up the price for the Red Sox anyway…
Who got Rich Harden for a Lars Anderson? How do these deals get done? I know Harden is injury prone, but really…what on our earth has Lars ever shown? He’s sucked in the majors, and really wasn’t tearing up the minors. This is the same as the crap they sent to SD for Adrian Gonzalez.
Any thoughts of a LHRP, DH (pos ply), or SP that hasn’t been brought up by the media that Cashman will get?
Maybe Brian Cashman got cold feet and started to second guess himself about all those who would second guess him…….I can respect that, however if there is any truth about him coming back with a counteroffer then I’m not buying the Sherman medical crap especially since The Tribe is getting to run Ubaldo thru the Doc’s office ……He’s surrounded himself with great talent scouts which has enabled him to build a nice farm system, and he has a vault of cash to get the players he wants come winter time……However he’s yet to really establish himself as a top flight GM when it comes to making deals….Abreu and Granderson are the exceptions that come to mind……
Pat M,
Would you like to see Cash replaced and if so with who?
Wow. Lots of agendas being played out by the media and on the blog with very little fact of what really went down.
How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?
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Saw this from last night, reminds me a bit of the conversations on Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy a few years back. Kennedy is gone, Hughes has a dead arm, and Joba has at best a very uncertain future after he comes back. Not doing something at the TD is a mistake. Not looking forward to a winter like last year, but I suspect it’s coming.