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Yankees lineup: Game 1

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

1. Gardner CF
2. Nunez SS
3. Teixeira DH
4. Cano 2B
5. Swisher RF
6. Chavez 3B
7. Posada 1B
8. Dickerson LF
9. Cervelli C
Colon P

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168 Responses to “Yankees lineup: Game 1”

  1. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    If Jesus Montero gets traded, what do you think the Yankees plan is for DH next year and beyond?

    AROD? Then who is your new 3b?

    Any trade of Jesus Montero right now is an indication that there is a plan for DH next year and it’s not AROD (that leaves you without a 3b) and it’s obviously not Jorge Posada.

    Since Jimenez is so cheap, there will be money to spend.

    There will be 2 big bats on the market.

    Fielder.

    Reyes.

    Should I slow down?

  2. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “The wide outfield and distant fences equal it out.”

    The big outfield hurts the pitchers though…..that’s always been the thing with Coors. The outfield is huge and so hits fall in but unlike Petco or somewhere guys can still it it out.

  3. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    What year will BOTH Banuelos and Betances be in the rotation?

  4. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Im expecting the Sox to get Kuroda…..that makes a lot of sense for them as he should be cheap and unlike the Yanks they actually need back end starters.

  5. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Banuelos is 3 years younger than Betances at the same level. Ubaldo is not Felix or Kershaw, which is why Yankees are able to keep Manny out of this deal.

    Felix or Kershaw you are talking Montero+Betances+Banuelos+Nova++

  6. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    J Alfred,

    The Yanks refuse to talk about trading Manny because he’s 3 years younger, he’s left handed, has a better delivery, and has a higher floor by most all.accounts.

  7. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    “What we do this weekend, will reveal how much control Cash has and what our philosophy is going forward. Cash does not want to trade our A prospects. He has said so. Let’s just hope cooler heads prevail.’

    +1

  8. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    The way I look at it– Betances can be our “Ubaldo” next year, and we can still have Montero this year!

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    Betances is not factoring into the rotation until at least 2013.

  9. Abomb82 July 30th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    There are only 2 locks for the rotation next year – CC and AJ.

    Unless they sign CJ Wilson, help won’t come from FA.

    Man-Ban and Betances can easily be in the rotation next year. Unless you think Cash is going to go the reclamation project/question mark route again next year.

  10. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    This lineup is putrid. Free Montero!

  11. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    When so many were unwilling to trade Montero for Lee last year did you ever think that on July 30th 2011, Montero would still not have a single at bat in the majors?

    Abomb,

    Dellin and Manny will have a 140-150 inning cap next season.

  12. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Betances’s progress if he is still around will dictate when he is in the rotation. On any other team, he actually might be in the rotation later next year, but he would have an innings limit.

  13. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Banuelos and Betances ideally need a full year at SWB next year……I would love it if they could build there innings so that when thy do call them up they don’t have to go through the innings limit junk they did with Hughes…….assuming they keep both.

  14. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Can’t go another day with slumbering bats.

  15. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Yankeefem,

    From last thread……not manny but anybody else.

  16. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Dellin will likely go 140-150 this season, assuming Trenton makes the playoffs, not next season.

  17. Yank 97 July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Their handling of Montero can only be surpassed by their handling of Joba. (and to a lesser extent, Hughes).

  18. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    # blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Yankeefem,

    From last thread……not manny but anybody else.

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    Exactly keep Jesus and Manny build a package around Nova and Dellin then go from there

  19. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    # Yank 97 July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Their handling of Montero can only be surpassed by their handling of Joba. (and to a lesser extent, Hughes).

    ————————–

    It’s the Yankee way :(

  20. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Basically neither guy will be in the rotation next season because their innings cap will be too low. Therefore you are looking at 2013 for either guy.

    Knowing the Yankees they won’t trust both in the rotation at the same time so the absolute best case scenario is both Manny and Dellin in the rotation on Opening Day 2014.

    Again, knowing the Yankees though, in 2014 Dellin will be a Seventh Inning Guy and Manny a LOOGY.

  21. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Dellin will likely go 140-150 this season, assuming Trenton makes the playoffs, not next season.

    ——————

    Playoff innings don’t count.

  22. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    blake, I would keep mason williams, heathcott, and gary sanchez out of the equation as well. Heading to work, enjoy your day!

  23. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    “”Betances is not factoring into the rotation until at least 2013.”

    Why is that? Shouldn’t he get about 140 innings this year? If they manage his innings why is he 2 years away.

    Also there is this quote I found.

    “How good can Betances be? Presbott, the scout who signed him, said Betances could be “one of the top pitchers in the major leagues, no question.” Asked what current major leaguer Betances reminds him of, Presbott answered, “Ubaldo Jimenez.””

  24. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    LGY,

    Lol……you never know what journeyman wiley veterans will be around on 3 years to pluck off the waiver wire though….

  25. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Dellin is at 89 innings. He has 5 at most 6 starts left in the regular season.

    He averages less than 5 innings per start, so he’s looking at 115-120 innings this year.

  26. Melk Man July 30th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    “How good can Betances be? Presbott, the scout who signed him, said Betances could be “one of the top pitchers in the major leagues, no question.” Asked what current major leaguer Betances reminds him of, Presbott answered, “Ubaldo Jimenez.””

    ————

    If his ultimate upside is Jimenez, why not get the actual Jimenez now while he is still in his prime and Jeter, MO, Posada, etc. are still around and while CC/Tex/Grandy/ARod are still in their prime?

    And that is his upside, something that very few players reach. Hughes was supposed to be Roger Clemens/Mark Prior, too.

  27. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Melk Man,

    Because you would also be giving Montero and Nova

  28. pkyankfan69 July 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Trade Montero – Betances – Nova FOR Ubaldo (unless you think you can get him slightly cheaper)

    THEN simply sign Prince this winter. Getting Ubaldo probably doesn’t win the WS this year but getting him and Prince sets the Yanks up for a big time team next year:

    2012 Lineup:

    1.Gardner – LF
    2. Jeter – SS
    3. Arod – 3B
    4. Prince – DH
    5. Cano – 2B
    6. Tex – 1B
    7. Granderson – CF
    8. Swish – RF
    9. Martin

    CC + UJ at the top of the Rotation + that lineup + The yanks nasty BP is a team that will do major damage in October

    + They would still have Banuelos – He is the #1 Untouchable right now.

  29. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    SI_JonHeyman 27 mins teams still on ubaldo: #indians, #redsox, #bluejays, #reds. not counting out #yankees tho. #tradedeadline

  30. Tom in N.J. July 30th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal

    #Yankees hearing #Rockies may lower price on Jimenez today, but still not to point where NY considers deal realistic.

  31. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    If that is true what do the Yankees think is realistic?

    Dellin, Nova, and others not including Jesus and Manny

    Nova, Jesus, and others not including Manny and Dellin.

  32. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Posturing

  33. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Fielder has said he doesn’t want to be a DH. Now, whether a lot of money could change his mind, who knows? There is no guarantee he would be the same hitter at DH, either.

    Also, does anyone have an answer to my question from the prior thread? What is it that I’m missing about Ubaldo from looking at his numbers? They don’t scream “elite Ace” to me. Certainly not, “give up your 2 best prospects plus” type.

  34. YankeeRay July 30th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Next years lineup if they sign Prince would still have Jeter at the top as Gardner still desn’t cut it there. With Cano 6th it would be very long. R/L flexibility and Gardner turning the lineup over with speed.

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Arod
    Prince
    Tex
    Cano
    Swisher
    Martin
    Gardner

  35. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    “He averages less than 5 innings per start, so he’s looking at 115-120 innings this year.”

    He could go 6 innning for 6 starts plus playoffs as well. What is the % increase that they set for the next year, 25%.

    If it is… that puts him at 150 + innings for next year. Almost there…

    If they really wanted to, couldn’t they give him a few innings of winter ball as well?

  36. spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    So if the Rockies require Middlebrooks and Ranaudo from the Red Sox for Ubalo, wouldn’t the Yankees equivalent be Laird and Nova?

  37. 4time July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    It is insane that over the past 2 years, the Phillies have acquired Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Pence.

    3 aces and an young all-star CF. Now, that’s a proactive GM. And they still have guys like Brown and Worley that carry a ton of value. Plus a lot of their key players are homegrown – Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ruiz, Hamels, Madson.

    And it’s not like they had some stacked farm all this time like the Braves/Rangers/Rays. They sold guys high (like Happ) and knew who to keep and who to sell.

  38. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Also, does anyone have an answer to my question from the prior thread? What is it that I’m missing about Ubaldo from looking at his numbers? They don’t scream “elite Ace” to me. Certainly not, “give up your 2 best prospects plus” type.

    ————————————–

    He’s the best of what’s out there. Many fans feel the Yankees “have to win this yr” and UJ gives them the opportunity to do it.

  39. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    pkyankfan69 July 30th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Trade Montero – Betances – Nova FOR Ubaldo (unless you think you can get him slightly cheaper)

    THEN simply sign Prince this winter. Getting Ubaldo probably doesn’t win the WS this year but getting him and Prince sets the Yanks up for a big time team next year:

    2012 Lineup:

    1.Gardner – LF
    2. Jeter – SS
    3. Arod – 3B
    4. Prince – DH
    5. Cano – 2B
    6. Tex – 1B
    7. Granderson – CF
    8. Swish – RF
    9. Martin

    CC + UJ at the top of the Rotation + that lineup + The yanks nasty BP is a team that will do major damage in October

    + They would still have Banuelos – He is the #1 Untouchable right now.

    *********

    This is what I’m seeing and the reason why Montero + Betances + Nova is not a panic move by any stretch of the imagination. I’m surprised it’s not obvious to more fans.

  40. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    # 4time July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    It is insane that over the past 2 years, the Phillies have acquired Halladay, Lee, Oswalt, and Pence.

    3 aces and an young all-star CF. Now, that’s a proactive GM. And they still have guys like Brown and Worley that carry a ton of value. Plus a lot of their key players are homegrown – Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ruiz, Hamels, Madson.

    And it’s not like they had some stacked farm all this time like the Braves/Rangers/Rays. They sold guys high (like Happ) and knew who to keep and who to sell.

    ——————————–

    What they have done over the past couple of seasons couldn’t be done in a video game.

  41. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    It looks like the Yankees are not going to give Betances AND Montero in the same deal. Which is good. I’m truly back and forth on this one. I wish I had a better idea of what Ubaldo would bring to the team that would make him a difference-maker. I’m not sure he will be. And it really is puzzling to me why a contending team is so ready to give up a guy who supposedly ace-quality.

    Sounds too risky to me. What do they know that we’ll find out a couple of weeks after he’s on board, minus two of the best prospects in the system?

  42. spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    SI_JonHeyman #tigers acquire fister. #tradedeeadline

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    Leaves the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians, Blue Jays and Reds as the only viableoptions for Ubaldo. Hopefully the Red Sox get Kuroda so he can get destroyed in the AL.

  43. Melk Man July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    “So if the Rockies require Middlebrooks and Ranaudo from the Red Sox for Ubalo, wouldn’t the Yankees equivalent be Laird and Nova?”

    More like Sanchez and Betances. Not the best comparison, but close.

    One high ceiling bat in the lower minors and one high ceiling pitching prospect who is a little further away from the show.

  44. blake July 30th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    #tigers acquire fister. #tradedeeadline

  45. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Against All Odds,

    The “best of what’s out there” doesn’t exactly inspire me, you know? LOL

    And I always find it foolish to count those free-agency chickens prematurely. You can’t assume a lineup with Prince Fielder in it. Not when the guy has said he prefers to play the field and not be a full-time DH. And Teixeira isn’t going anywhere soon.

  46. blake July 30th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I don’t think the Red Sox are serious players for Ubaldo…..I think they are there to drive the price up. Kuroda makes more sense for them.

  47. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I’m not sure he will be. And it really is puzzling to me why a contending team is so ready to give up a guy who supposedly ace-quality.

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    He maybe a ticking time bomb.

  48. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    blake -

    Fister looked good the other day. Probably a good pick-up for the Tigers.

  49. blake July 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Ubaldo had the ability to match Beckett in a game 2 of an ALCS…..that’s what they are looking at. Its a risky move if they do it……but also one that coukd potentially be the difference in winning a WS and not winning a WS.

  50. blake July 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Villa,

    Yea I agree….

  51. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Against All Odds,

    The “best of what’s out there” doesn’t exactly inspire me, you know? LOL

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    Yea it’s never the best thing to hear those words lol. It’s basically saying hey I had to get this or nothing else. *shrug shoulders*

  52. UnKnown July 30th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    What did the Tigers give up for Fister?

    Also was Nova’s last start the one where he hurt his ankle?

    If so I don’t see how he is not going to be very rusty tonight.

  53. Melk Man July 30th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    AndrewMarchand
    A scout thought a fair trade for Ubaldo would be Montero, Nova and one more prospect. Would you do it? #trades

  54. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    4time,

    It also helps when teams will give you top players for garbage players. You think the Yankees could have gotten those guys without giving up Montero or could they have gotten Oswalt while giving up Nova? Its scary to think how much better the Yankees would be if they were treated like the Phillies or Red Sox

  55. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Melk Man,

    Are those 2 Red Sox guys ranked top 50?

  56. Melk Man July 30th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    jonmorosi
    Good work by @DKnobler, reporting the Tigers will get Fister and Pauley from Sea for Furbush, Wells plus.

  57. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    If it turns out where Cashman does get one of Ubaldo Jimenez, John Danks, or Wandy Rodriquez somebody will get squeezed out of the rotation and it should be Hughes.
    Colon and Garcia have given a quality start virtually every game. Why should either be squeezed out of the rotation ?

  58. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    UnKnown,

    Casper Wells and Furbush

  59. UnKnown July 30th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Wow the Tigers got the better end of that Fister deal. Good for them. Screw Seattle and their GM

  60. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    blake -

    Ubaldo also had a game where he gave up 6 runs and 6 hit in 5 innings to the Red Sox.

    Two games he’s had against them, that’s it. And that other game, the good one, was in 2007, when he was having a good year, which he’s not this year.

  61. spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ?So if the Rockies require Middlebrooks and Ranaudo from the Red Sox for Ubalo, wouldn’t the Yankees equivalent be Laird and Nova??

    More like Sanchez and Betances. Not the best comparison, but close.

    One high ceiling bat in the lower minors and one high ceiling pitching prospect who is a little further away from the show.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    I think Nova has more trade value than Ranaudo and Middlebrooks a little more than Laird, so in my opinion, it’s an even match.

  62. Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    So I read that the Rockies want Nova and 2 of Montero/Banuelos/Betances…….LOL No wonder talks have stalled, but then the Rockies don’t have to trade Jimenez so they can ask for whatever they want. The Yankees are the ones who are desperate………..In any case, that’s way too much for someone who is hardly a mortal lock and who the Yankees don’t think is a true ace, so I’m guess that if they were in on him, they are now out – which is a good thing.

  63. Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Wow. Just read the rumor that the Rockies asked the Tigers for Jacob Turner, Porcello/Scherzer, and another player for Ubaldo. That right there is very, very steep.

  64. bruceb July 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Way to go Joe! Let’s give them game one and we’ll go for the split later with our “sixth pitcher” on the mound.

  65. Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I feel like today’s doubleheader is almost a must-sweep for the Yanks. Not so much for the effect on the standings but this team needs to get some momentum built up. It’s almost August and this is around the time that the ’09 team just took off. They stumbled down the stretch last year and never really recovered. Need to take the last 3 from the Orioles and start cruising home.

  66. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    paste…

    A.J. Burnett didn’t pitch poorly last night, but once again the Yankees lost his start and he fell to 8-9 on the season.

    A.J. Burnett is a below league average (ERA+ of 97) pitcher during his Yankees career. Want to know how bad he’s been? If make a list of Yankees pitchers with at least 50 decisions and rank their ERA+ he is number 87. Rick Rhoden, Scott Kamieniecki and Melido Perez all are higher on the list. None of those pitchers commanded a 5 year/$82.5 million dollar deal.

    NYBD contributor Howard Megdal wrote this for the New York Observer back on December 15th, 2008:

    But arguably the biggest difference between the two decisions is that while Sabathia is irreplaceable, Sabathia’s signing makes Burnett superfluous at best. The Yankees badly needed an ace who could provide a large number of innings, which is Sabathia’s resume exactly. Joba Chamberlain slots in nicely as a number two, but he is an ace-quality performer who has yet to prove he can give New York 200 innings. Chien-Ming Wang is a solid number three, while Andy Pettitte, who is likely to return, is a good bet to be a better-than-average number 4.

    This leaves Burnett as a hugely overqualified fifth starter. But with Pettitte now 36 and Wang and Chamberlain coming off of injuries, the Yankees needed to guarantee innings on the back end of the rotation, not gamble on high-risk excellence.

    Megdal wasn’t correct about everything in that piece, but calling Burnett an “overqualified fifth starter” might be the most appropriate description of the erratic Yankees right-hander. Steve Goldman of Baseball Prospectus even asked if he was “the worst pitcher to have a regular role on a championship team?”

    The reason the Yankees would look at high-end starting pitching regardless of Burnett’s performance because that’s what they do. Greed is good, and necessary, when you play in the financial stratosphere of the Bronx. Why they are looking for any mid-range of the rotation pitcher is because of A.J. Burnett.

    Burnett’s career numbers with the Yankees (31-33, 4.52) are even worse when you consider he was 13-9, 4.04 in his first season (2009). Despite being critical to ’09 postseason when the Yankees won with 3 starters, Burnett wasn’t all that great, but he gave you the critical Game 2 performance when the Yankees were down 1-0 in the series.

    I still think a better bet was Derek Lowe. Read my quotes from October 23rd of last year:

    So why would I endorse Lowe over Burnett? Because Lowe is there when you need him. He won 5 games this September with a 1.17 ERA. Although losing two games to San Francisco it was more a lack of run support as his ERA was 2.32. The best pitching month of his career? September. Don’t forget he started Game 7 against the Yankees in 2004. Lowe wouldn’t be any sort of liability in October, which is essentially where A.J. Burnett earned his money in 2009.

    Lowe is 6-9 with a 4.52 ERA in Atlanta. I bet he will be there for the Braves in September. He will also be the guy I would call on to pitch a big game in the postseason. For all his off the field warts, Derek Lowe is a guy that I would give the ball on the field.

    A.J. Burnett? He is an overqualified fifth starter. He is actually performing as one, but paid too handsomely for the privilege. One that may force the Yankees to lose a decent prospect for a middle of the rotation pitcher like Hiroki Kuroda.

    His $82.5 million dollar contract keeps on taking. And it might not just be the monthly salary, it might be a small piece of the Yankees future.

    ***

  67. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Tyler,

    If its Scherzer I agree but say its Porcello, I still think them asking for Montero,Betances and Nova is way more steep then that. Turner isn’t even having that good of a year so far

  68. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    # Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Wow. Just read the rumor that the Rockies asked the Tigers for Jacob Turner, Porcello/Scherzer, and another player for Ubaldo. That right there is very, very steep.

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    I understand they can’t give him away but are they serious lol

  69. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The Yankees are not signing a $20mil/year DH. Period. Get Prince out of your heads.

    They also aren’t signing Reyes to DH or move Jeter off SS next year.

  70. Yogi Mantle July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Maybe the O’s will help us out and knock Cervelli to the DL or something.

    Amazing that the Yankees have become boring, but they have. No trades, lackluster batters, a weak rotation, losing against weak teams that should be pounded by the Yankees.

    I don’t know if I’ll bother watching them the rest of this weekend. I can entertain myself more by watching paint dry or grass grow.

  71. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Some perspective here.

    The Rockies asking price, the one they refuse to come down from, is actually lower than the Royals asking price for Zack Greinke.

    The Royals wanted Montero + Betances/Banuelos + Nova + Nunez.

    The Rox want Montero + Betances + Nova.

    If the Yankees can keep Nova out of the deal, it’s a coup. If they leave him in and pull the trigger, they get Ubaldo for less than the price of Zack Greinke.

  72. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Rockies probably lowered their price from Montero-Betances-Nova to Monter-Betances-Noesi or some minimal change like that.

    Betances + Nova + Romine + Joseph or something like that I go for it.

  73. Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:21 am
    Tyler,

    If its Scherzer I agree but say its Porcello, I still think them asking for Montero,Betances and Nova is way more steep then that. Turner isn’t even having that good of a year so far
    ————————-

    I agree that the Yanks price still probably is more steep. That’s just an awful lot of young pitching to give up for Ubaldo. No way I’d do Scherzer but Porcello still is only like 23 years old and Turner is around 20. Tough to give up that much for one guy who isn’t even a top 3-4 pitcher in the league.

  74. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 am
    Some perspective here.

    The Rockies asking price, the one they refuse to come down from, is actually lower than the Royals asking price for Zack Greinke.

    The Royals wanted Montero + Betances/Banuelos + Nova + Nunez.

    The Rox want Montero + Betances + Nova.

    If the Yankees can keep Nova out of the deal, it’s a coup. If they leave him in and pull the trigger, they get Ubaldo for less than the price of Zack Greinke

    Bad argument because what the Royals wanted was ludicrous. You don’t bargain down from ludicrous to stupid.

  75. bruceb July 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Have the New York Yankees fielded a weaker lineup than this in the past 15-20 years? I certainly can’t remember one. There’s at least four players playing today who should not be in the Majors, let alone playing for the 27-time World Champions.

  76. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Betances + Nova + Romine + Joseph or something like that I go for it.

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    I’d do that as well. I really don’t want to give up Montero. If it was for Felix I would.

  77. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The Yankees are not signing a $20mil/year DH. Period. Get Prince out of your heads.

    They also aren’t signing Reyes to DH or move Jeter off SS next year.

    *********

    Then if they trade Montero, what is their plan for DH? If you can get some plan in your head, I’ll be more willing to get the other pathway out of mine.

  78. mick July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    crap lineup usually works

  79. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    If you include Nova, you’re stuck with Hughes in the rotation. And unless there is some rapid recovery there, this is not Hughes’ year.

    This is not an easy situation, actually.

  80. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    My preference is Ubaldo + Fielder

    Is yours Montero + CJ Wilson?

    I win.

  81. spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Give the Rockies Nova, Noesi, Laird, Corban Joseph and Eduardo Nunez for Ubaldo. That’s two definite startes in your rotation, plus a future 3B, SS and 2B. None of the five mentioned guys have a role with the Yankees going forward and the Yankees get to hold on to Montero, Banuelos and Betances.

    Future Rotation:

    CC
    Ubaldo
    Banuelos
    Betances
    Hughes

  82. Tank July 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Cash needs to accept that he has to give up his good prospects if he wants to get someone, rather than cry about how high the prices are and tell everyone he won’t find anyone better than Hughes (which is laughable).

    The Phillies GM can trade for all-star after all-star, the Red Sox, after depleting their farm for Gonzo, can still be in the hunt for all these guys (Beltran, Pence, Kuroda, Ubaldo, etc.) but Cashman with his supposed “deep farm” that has “4 guys in AAA that would be in big league rotations right now” (infamous ST quote) can’t get anyone he needs.

    Something wrong with this picture, no? No wonder ownership overruled him for Soriano. They were tired of his passive stance. If it’s not right on a tee for him (like signing CC/Lee/Tex), Cash seems incapable of hitting it. Granderson trade was the ultimate anomaly. Imagine if he prospect hugged Jackson?

  83. mick July 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    theory being colon shuts them down, how much offense do you need

  84. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Apparently Seattle did not get hosed:

    Jonmorosi Jon Morosi

    Casper Wells is a nice fit for the #Mariners. He’s an excellent defender for the big OF, enough power to hit it out at Safeco. #Tigers

    1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors

    RT @DKnobler: Tigers are also expected to send AA 3B Francisco Martinez to Sea in Fister-Pauley deal. Martinez is a top prospect.

    1 minute ago

    SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman

    Furbush very highly regarded. Execs impressed #mariners apparently getting him..

    4 minutes ago

  85. Tyler July 30th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am
    Give the Rockies Nova, Noesi, Laird, Corban Joseph and Eduardo Nunez for Ubaldo. That’s two definite startes in your rotation, plus a future 3B, SS and 2B. None of the five mentioned guys have a role with the Yankees going forward and the Yankees get to hold on to Montero, Banuelos and Betances.

    Future Rotation:

    CC
    Ubaldo
    Banuelos
    Betances
    Hughes
    —————————————

    Not picking on your trade proposal but I think that Nunez definitely has a role going forward with the Yanks. I really think they see him as the future SS. He’s starting to look a little better on defense and has more than held his own with the bat.

  86. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Tank July 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am
    Cash needs to accept that he has to give up his good prospects if he wants to get someone, rather than cry about how high the prices are and tell everyone he won’t find anyone better than Hughes (which is laughable).

    The Phillies GM can trade for all-star after all-star, the Red Sox, after depleting their farm for Gonzo, can still be in the hunt for all these guys (Beltran, Pence, Kuroda, Ubaldo, etc.) but Cashman with his supposed “deep farm” that has “4 guys in AAA that would be in big league rotations right now” (infamous ST quote) can’t get anyone he needs.

    Something wrong with this picture, no? No wonder ownership overruled him for Soriano. They were tired of his passive stance. If it’s not right on a tee for him (like signing CC/Lee/Tex), Cash seems incapable of hitting it. Granderson trade was the ultimate anomaly. Imagine if he prospect hugged Jackson?

    **********

    Nice post.

    Cash is amateurish.

  87. Niblick July 30th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Forget Ubaldo. He had his good half season last year.

  88. Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Cash is inept because he won’t give up Nova and 2 of Montero/Betance/Banuelos for a guy who is NOT an ace? I say good for him……

  89. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Tank,

    That is the biggest load of crap I ever heard.

    When Cash can trade for all 4 guys the Phillies have gotten the last 3 years without giving up Montero then we can talk.

    You are really going to use Soriano as your argument about Cash being a bad GM? Was the Swisher trade the anomaly as well?

    Take a look at what Toronto wanted for Halladay from us and then look at what Philly got for him. Drabeck will be nothing more then a number 3 starter and he headlined the deal because they wouldn’t deal the future hall of famer Dom Brown. They gave up even less in the Lee deal. Nova is better then Happ and that landed them Oswalt

  90. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Bret, I’ll tell you what I don’t do is trade a guy who could hit like Montero could for years, for almost no money. Especially when he can possibly catch. Not to mention Betances on top of that.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    And what about this year, spidanyc?

    Who plays for Jeter, ARod, Cano? Ramiro Pena????

    Are you satisfied with Hughes as the #5 guy with no one ready to take his place if you get rid of both Nova and Noesi?

    You may have the guy you want pitching for you in the playoffs (which I think is debatable, since he’s not having a good year to begin with), but the fact is, they could miss the playoffs altogether.

  92. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    No deal involving Eduardo Nunez. The Yankees are not deep in SS prospects for the immediate future. Nunez will improve his fielding and be a valuable piece. Beginning when he returns plus next year, Alex will get increased at bats as a DH.

  93. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    As soon as I see people say seattle made a good deal I stop reading.

    Trading Choo
    Trading Adam Jones
    Trading Morrow
    Trading Lee and getting a poor return

    Yea some GM they got over there

  94. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    If Montero is a DH or a 1b blocked by Tex then the Yankees are better off spending money on offense and saving money on pitching by getting Ubaldo and his cheap contract.

    If Montero is thought of as a catcher, it’s a different story.

    We’ll know soon enough how they view him.

  95. Giuseppe Franco July 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    My preference is Ubaldo + Fielder

    Is yours Montero + CJ Wilson?

    I win.

    ————

    LOL. Actually, you lose because there is NO CHANCE we’re ever going to see that happen.

    It’s funny to read you lecturing others on perspective when it’s obvious to everyone but you that you don’t have an ounce of perspective in regards to thinking like a real GM.

  96. Niblick July 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Tank, the problem may not be Cashman’s passivity as much as the fact that the farm system is highly overrated, and the Yanks young players just don’t seem to progress in the minors – in fact all three B’s as well as Montero seem to have taken a big step back this year – or maybe they’re just not as good as the Yankees claim.

  97. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Yankees would go to Sea & tell them your team stinks if you have King or not, we can help your future…tell us what you want for him

  98. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I say trade for a lefty in the pen and a lower level starter (Kuroda,Wandy) and lets go to war.

    If not for Puke Gordon and or Rivera we go to the world series in 2004 with less a pitching staff then we have now.

    We are in the playoffs this year with our current team, so make the playoffs and take your chances. The Cardinals did it in 2006

  99. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Something wrong with this picture, no? No wonder ownership overruled him for Soriano.

    ———————————————-

    That’s not exactly a good thing

  100. bruceb July 30th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    mick July 30th, 2011 at 11:32 am
    theory being colon shuts them down, how much offense do you need

    Hope you’re right. Won’t be surprised if we lose both these games today. Apart from the odd game, we’ve looked lifeless since the ASG.

  101. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    If you include Nova, you’re stuck with Hughes in the rotation. And unless there is some rapid recovery there, this is not Hughes’ year

    ——

    CC
    Ubaldo
    Colon
    Garcia
    Burnett

    Hughes to AAA.

  102. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    If Montero is a DH or a 1b blocked by Tex then the Yankees are better off spending money on offense and saving money on pitching by getting Ubaldo and his cheap contract.

    If Montero is thought of as a catcher, it’s a different story.

    We’ll know soon enough how they view him.

    ————————————

    True it seems like they don’t think highly on him but this is also the same organization that basically begged teams to take Cano. Cano proved them wrong maybe Jesus will do the same.

  103. mick July 30th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Hope you’re right. Won’t be surprised if we lose both these games today. Apart from the odd game, we’ve looked lifeless since the ASG.
    ==============================
    my money is on a sweep

  104. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    # Niblick July 30th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Tank, the problem may not be Cashman’s passivity as much as the fact that the farm system is highly overrated, and the Yanks young players just don’t seem to progress in the minors – in fact all three B’s as well as Montero seem to have taken a big step back this year – or maybe they’re just not as good as the Yankees claim.

    ——————————–

    Maybe they’re just young kids struggling *shrugs shoulders*

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I say trade for a lefty in the pen and a lower level starter (Kuroda,Wandy) and lets go to war.

    **********

    Kuroda is not a lower level starter.

  106. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    # LGY July 30th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    If you include Nova, you’re stuck with Hughes in the rotation. And unless there is some rapid recovery there, this is not Hughes’ year

    ——

    CC
    King
    Colon
    Garcia
    Burnett

    Hughes to bullpen

    Nova and a load go to Sea

  107. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Guiseppe,

    Nope.

    Montero DH and CJ Wilson will never happen.

  108. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Lower level compared to Ubaldo or Danks.

  109. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I say trade for a lefty in the pen and a lower level starter (Kuroda,Wandy) and lets go to war.

    **********

    Kuroda is not a lower level starter.
    ——————————————–
    he has a 34-43 lifetime MLB record

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am
    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Lower level compared to Ubaldo or Danks.

    ************

    Not as much as you would think. Kuroda is a very good pitcher.

  111. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Guiseppe,

    Nope.

    Montero DH and CJ Wilson will never happen.

    —————————————

    It’s more likely than UJ and Prince

  112. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    It seems JackZ doesn’t want to trade Felix, even for a boatload.

    I think that’s a bad decision for them, but whatever.

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Lot’s of Sux/Kroda rumors in LA. I hope the Sux don’t nab Kuroda; adding a 3-4 run per game guy to that lineup would sux.

  114. Giuseppe Franco July 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Guiseppe,

    Nope.

    Montero DH and CJ Wilson will never happen.

    ———

    It may or may not happen, but I guarantee your preference won’t happen.

    They aren’t signing a $20M + DH. There’s a better chance that I’ll be the everyday DH next season than Fielder.

    And they aren’t going to trade the farm for another AJ Burnett. They don’t see him as an elite guy like you do.

    They’d do it for King Felix (and I probably would too) but Jimenez is no King Felix.

  115. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Doug Fister is better them him and I wouldn’t exactly call Fister a high level guy. I said lower when comparing him to Ubaldo not low level guy. Are we really wasting time on semantics here?

  116. vinny-b July 30th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Jimenez is damaged goods.

    there is a reason Colorado (a perennial contender) wants to move their ace pitcher, who has a very low/affordable contract.

    use your heads..

    _

  117. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Everyone in our rotation assuming Nova is back in is a 3 to 4 run guy

  118. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    But I thought one of Colon or Garcia was surely not going to make it to the end of the year! LOL

    Joeman,

    I might be able to get behind that one. Maybe.

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Doug Fister is better them him and I wouldn’t exactly call Fister a high level guy. I said lower when comparing him to Ubaldo not low level guy. Are we really wasting time on semantics here?

    **********

    Not at all. I think Kuroda is better than many give him credit for being.

  120. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    why try reaching for the moon when you could try reaching for the stars,,,,,go after King hard if they say no stick with what you have…

  121. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    Everyone in our rotation assuming Nova is back in is a 3 to 4 run guy

    ************

    We don’t have Boston’s potent lineup this year IMO. My point is that a Kuroda makes Boston significantly better given their pitching issues.

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    The Dodgers asked the Yankees for Ivan Nova and a catching prospect, which was a non-starter for New York, tweets Joel Sherman.

  123. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    # joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    why try reaching for the moon when you could try reaching for the stars,,,,,go after King hard if they say no stick with what you have…

    ——————————————

    Take it for what it’s worth but Cashman has said more than once he has been very aggressive in trying to acquire King Felix. Every time he does the M’s tell him no.

  124. blake July 30th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Joelsherman1 7 mins Heard #Dodgers asked #Yankees for Nova plus C prospect (not sure which) for Kuroda. Non-starter for a rental

    Lol….yea let’s trade a good young pitcher with years of control for 2 months of Kuroda…..sign me up.

  125. Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Teams know the Yankees are desperate………it’s going to be hard to make a trade without giving up too much

  126. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    blake,

    Not that anyone is going to feel sorry for us Yankee fans but when it comes to making trades (especially in season ones) the Yankees are at a huge disadvantage compared to other teams

  127. Yanks78 July 30th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Rich Haren would be a strong trade target. Wouldn’t cost much. #1 starter stuff and could be a legit #2 in October. As with many, his problem is health.

    He’s the type of guy to take a risk on.

  128. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    # Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    # joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    why try reaching for the moon when you could try reaching for the stars,,,,,go after King hard if they say no stick with what you have…

    ——————————————

    Take it for what it’s worth but Cashman has said more than once he has been very aggressive in trying to acquire King Felix. Every time he does the M’s tell him no.
    ——————————————————
    try harder

  129. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Betsy,

    Were we desperate last year when Seattle still asked for more for Lee then from Texas. Teams hate the Yankees and will always ask for more from us whether we are “desperate” or not

  130. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    # Betsy July 30th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Teams know the Yankees are desperate………it’s going to be hard to make a trade without giving up too much

    ———————————

    I guess this is what happens when the big 3 doesn’t pan out with Lee and Andy not being here.

  131. Yanks78 July 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    It is amazing how we are in this position every year, desperately searching for pitching help while other teams ask for the moon (Hughes/Montero for Lee from CLE, A-Jax for Washburn, Nova/Romine for Kuroda, etc.)

    Time to start developing some pitching prospects.

  132. hardwired7 July 30th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Theo should try to get San Diego involved to make it a 3-way trade:

    Dodgers get Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo

    Red Sox get Kuroda

    Padres get some Valpak coupons and a dust bunny

  133. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    # joeman July 30th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    # Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    # joeman July 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    why try reaching for the moon when you could try reaching for the stars,,,,,go after King hard if they say no stick with what you have…

    ——————————————

    Take it for what it’s worth but Cashman has said more than once he has been very aggressive in trying to acquire King Felix. Every time he does the M’s tell him no.
    ——————————————————
    try harder

    ——————————

    How hard do you want him to try. By very aggressive I take it he means Montero, the two B’s, and maybe someone else.

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    How is it that we’re desperate??

    The “greatest team in the history of baseball” is 2.5 games ahead of this “desperate” Yankee team that MUST give up their best prospects for Ubaldo or the world as we know it will end.

    This is a bad Hollywood script (redundant, I know…)

  135. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    When Ubaldo comes here and K’s 12 and wins a game against a big competitor I hope all the bellyachers who think he’s not worth the prospects go root for other teams.

    Seriously. How are some of your prospect huggers Yankee Fans? You must hate yourselves rooting for a team that uses the majority of their prospects as trade chips.

    The reason Montero isn’t up here is because they are protecting his trade value. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    And Cashman has offered Montero several times in deals for top starting pitchers so this myth that if he trades him it’s big bad Hal, Levine and Hank calling the shots is a myth.

  136. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    # Yanks78 July 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    It is amazing how we are in this position every year, desperately searching for pitching help while other teams ask for the moon (Hughes/Montero for Lee from CLE, A-Jax for Washburn, Nova/Romine for Kuroda, etc.)

    Time to start developing some pitching prospects.

    —————————————–

    That’s the problem right there.

  137. Tom in N.J. July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    @Kurkjian_ESPNTim Kurkjian

    Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez. “

  138. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    “Teams know the Yankees are desperate………it’s going to be hard to make a trade without giving up too much”

    ****************

    Desperate? Nonsense.

  139. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
    Red Sox have talked with Oakland about a possible Rich Harden/Josh Willingham deal. Unclear whether it has a pulse now. #trades
    1 minute ago

  140. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    # Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Betsy,

    Were we desperate last year when Seattle still asked for more for Lee then from Texas. Teams hate the Yankees and will always ask for more from us whether we are “desperate” or not
    ——————————————
    teams may hate the Yankees but when the Yankees are good and have star players they put fans in the stands for their home games

  141. pat July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Yankees aren’t desperate. They have someone to start every 5 days. May not win the WS with that group this year but Cashman has shown to have restraint from the instant gratification instinct.

    Ledger_Yankees Mitre’s MRI showed a nerve problem in his right shoulder. No structural damage but he’ll need more tests.

  142. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Tom in N.J. July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    @Kurkjian_ESPNTim Kurkjian

    Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez. “

    *********

    Ut oh Guiseppe’s guarantee is on shaky grounds.

  143. stuart a July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    yanks are not desperate. they have multiple blue chip prospects within 2 years of the show and are winning now with 1 starting pitcher.

    they are getting there 4th hitter back in about 2 weeks…

  144. Yanks78 July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    JackCurryYES
    Yankees are still waiting to see if Rockies will lower price on Jimenez. Been insistent they they won’t give up 3 elite prospects for Ubaldo

    Buster_ESPN
    Red Sox have talked with Oakland about a possible Rich Harden/Josh Willingham deal. Unclear whether it has a pulse now.

  145. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    # G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    When Ubaldo comes here and K’s 12 and wins a game against a big competitor I hope all the bellyachers who think he’s not worth the prospects go root for other teams.

    Seriously. How are some of your prospect huggers Yankee Fans? You must hate yourselves rooting for a team that uses the majority of their prospects as trade chips.

    The reason Montero isn’t up here is because they are protecting his trade value. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    And Cashman has offered Montero several times in deals for top starting pitchers so this myth that if he trades him it’s big bad Hal, Levine and Hank calling the shots is a myth.

    ————————————————-

    yea for guys like Lee and Doc. UJ is not on their level outside of 1 yr.

  146. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez.

    Incarcerated Bob sighting?

  147. JWeav July 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Ubaldo is not even an ace in the NL. Heck Ian Kennedy is better than him.

  148. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Seriously. How are some of your prospect huggers Yankee Fans? You must hate yourselves rooting for a team that uses the majority of their prospects as trade chips.

    The reason Montero isn’t up here is because they are protecting his trade value. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    And Cashman has offered Montero several times in deals for top starting pitchers so this myth that if he trades him it’s big bad Hal, Levine and Hank calling the shots is a myth.

    ————————————————————
    been saying this since the beginning of the year….when Montero had a chance to come north with the team in ST and didn’t that was it for him

  149. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Odds,

    Will you concede that Lee and Doc were both in their 30′s and had longer pedigrees than Ubaldo who is 27?

  150. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    been saying this since the beginning of the year….when Montero had a chance to come north with the team in ST and didn’t that was it for him

    ——————————————-

    In a way that makes the team look bad not him.

  151. Stoneburner July 30th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Interest in Adams continues to rise, tweets Rosenthal, but the Padres would still need to be compelled to move him. Meanwhile, trusted Yankees scout Bill Livesey is watching the Padres’ relievers, tweets Joel Sherman.

  152. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Ken Rosenthal

    Sources: #Rangers pursuing #WhiteSox’s Thornton. White Sox want Holland in return. #tradedeadline #MLB

    20 seconds ago via

  153. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    # G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Odds,

    Will you concede that Lee and Doc were both in their 30?s and had longer pedigrees than Ubaldo who is 27?

    ———————————

    I’ll concede that sure but it still doesn’t take away for the fact that he’s not on their level. King Felix is younger than UJ and blows him out of the water.

  154. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I’m wondering what the thoughts of White Sox GM Kenny Williams are.
    The Yankees could put together a good enough package to get LH’s John Danks and Matt Thornton.

  155. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
    RT @Buster_ESPN: Dodgers have not talked with the Yankees about Kuroda recently. Big gap in views of two sides on his trade value.

    **********

    I know somebody who is going to cry.

  156. mick July 30th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    i say zambrano falls in our lap with the cubs picking up 1/2

  157. Eroc July 30th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Also remember, while Tampa is in tear-down mode, the red hot Angels are creeping up on us for the WC. They have an elite starting rotation and play in a weaker division with tons of games against the As and Ms. If they can’t even have a great homestand against the bottom feeders of the AL.. with 70% of their games on the road next month… their playoff chances might not be as good as we thought.

  158. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Dodgers asked for Ivan Nova plus a catcher prospect from the Yankees in exchange for Hiroki Kuroda.

    Sherman wasn’t sure which catcher prospect it was, but he called the offer a “non-starter for a rental.” We’re confused as to why the Yankees are overvaluing Nova, as he’s viewed by most as nothing more than a solid, back-end of the rotation starter. ESPN’s Jim Bowden, for what it’s worth, still thinks the Yankees are the favorites to land Kuroda, with colleague Buster Olney saying the two sides have not talked recently and that there’s a “big gap in views” of the righty’s value.

    More nonsense. A low 4 ERA in the AL East in his first full season and the Yanks are overvaluing him? This is why it is so hard for them to make a trade.

  159. mick July 30th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Teams know the Yankees are desperate………it’s going to be hard to make a trade without giving up too much
    =====================Desperate, I beg to differ.

  160. Triple Short of a Cycle July 30th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Eroc,

    Elite? They have 2 starters

  161. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Ubaldo doesn’t have to be damaged goods, he may just be a malcontent due to not getting a big contract extension/renegotiation. I don’t really admire that attitude but whatever.

    My problem with Ubaldo is his walk rate can be high, and he has high pitch counts, which reminds me of AJ. Can you imagine this place if we trade big chips and end up with two AJ’s?

  162. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Odds,

    Felix isn’t available. Ubaldo is a top pitcher in the league when you compare his stats over the past several years. He’s a strike out guy. He faces other teams #1′s. I’m not saying he’s Cy Young, but we have nothing like him in the rotation right now from the right side.

    I don’t want to see the Yankees give up Montero, but I think they gave up on him awhile ago and decided he’s going to be traded for the first top of rotation they could get their hands on.

    Ubaldo, if he’s dealt here, will be a great addition to this club who is 27. Not 32. He has some of his best years ahead of him and he’s already here capable of throwing 200 innings.

  163. mick July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    The yanks are desperate is a desperate remark.

  164. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    The Yankees are always going to kick the tires on pitchers and they are always going to try and upgrade if the price is right.

    It has nothing at all to do with desperation.

    The Yankees are not, believe it or not, in last place.

  165. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    It’s possible that the powers that be think Montero is not as good as projected.

  166. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    # G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Odds,

    Felix isn’t available. Ubaldo is a top pitcher in the league when you compare his stats over the past several years. He’s a strike out guy. He faces other teams #1?s. I’m not saying he’s Cy Young, but we have nothing like him in the rotation right now from the right side.

    I don’t want to see the Yankees give up Montero, but I think they gave up on him awhile ago and decided he’s going to be traded for the first top of rotation they could get their hands on.

    Ubaldo, if he’s dealt here, will be a great addition to this club who is 27. Not 32. He has some of his best years ahead of him and he’s already here capable of throwing 200 innings.

    ———————————–

    I understand where you’re coming from. I just feel there has to be something up with the Rox being so eager to move a guy that is 27 yrs with electric stuff making peanuts in terms of baseball salary.

  167. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I gotta tell ya, an above 4 ERA in the NL does not get me excited at all.

    And he averages around 6 innings a game. That’s better than Nova how?

  168. austinmac July 30th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Interesting Girardi says they are the second best team in the AL. Not. Big vote of confidence.

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