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Yankees postgame: Burnett goes 0 for July

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A.J. Burnett went winless in his five July starts. He really hasn’t been terrible despite a 4.83 ERA this month, but he hasn’t been winning, either. He has gone 0-3 with two no-decisions since his last victory on June 29. This start was called “strange” by Joe Girardi. Burnett struck out 10 Orioles, walked only two and hit one in eight innings. He also gave up four runs on just five hits, all for extra bases, and lost 4-2.

Burnett lamented a few mistakes. Despite the lost month, he seemed serene.

“I’ve taken a lot of positives,” Burnett said. “I haven’t gotten beat up. I’m minimizing mistakes. … I’ve shut the door on everything that’s happened negative and turned everything into a positive as best I could.”

Girardi said: “I thought he threw the ball pretty well. Unfortunately we didn’t score many runs.”

Brett Gardner went down swinging in this game in more ways than one. With a run in, men at the corners and two outs in the ninth, he thought a 3-1 pitch was outside. Mike DiMuro called it a strike.

“It doesn’t matter what I think,” Gardner said.

The pitch looked pretty good on the replay. Then Gardner swung and missed to end the game. Then he smashed his bat against the dirt twice, breaking it the second time.

“It didn’t get any hits tonight,” Gardner said. “It was time to retire it. I was just frustrated with myself.”

Jeremy Guthrie allowed the Yankees just a run and four hits over seven. Girardi thinks he has pitched better than his record, which is up to 5-14. Guthrie had been 0-3 with a 6.41 ERA in his three previous starts at the new stadium.

“He’s doing a better job of trying to command his pitches,” Gardner said.  

The Yankees went just 1 for 9 with runners in scoring position and were 2 for 12 with men on base.

Jorge Posada went 2 for 2 with two walks.

The Yankees dropped their second straight and are just 4-3 so far in this 10-game homestand against three weak links, the A’s, Mariners and Orioles.

Next up is today’s day/night, 1 p.m./7 p.m. doubleheader, with Bartolo Colon and Ivan Nova going for the Yankees.

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217 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Burnett goes 0 for July”

  1. cs in la July 30th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    OK Cash, whatcha got for us? This setup isn’t going anywhere in Oct.

  2. ChokeXOnXFailure July 30th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif

    Not that it matter,s but that 5th pitch was just as bad as the other balls called that AB. Gardner has to hit the last pitch in that situation, but the situation should’ve been avoided. It was clearly a ball, and not by a small margin, really.

  3. UnKnown July 30th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Good news is AJ doesn’t get a start in Fenway next weekend. That is a big plus.

  4. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa July 30th, 2011 at 2:05 am

    “the pitch looked pretty good on the replay” are you kiddin me bro? it was a good four inches outside. take a look again genius. or through all your watching baseball can you still not tell a ball from a strike?

    still can’t believe this heyman clown is employed by this company. he’s got to be one of the worst sports reporters on the planet. no life, soulless writing, plus doesn’t even sound like he’s a Yankee fan. some people are extremely lucky to have their jobs.

  5. m July 30th, 2011 at 2:08 am

    Gardner’s 0-fer didn’t help, but he wasn’t the only one leaving men on.

    “The pitch looked pretty good on the replay. Then Gardner swung and missed to end the game. Then he smashed his bat against the dirt twice, breaking it the second time.” What replay did you see, Brian? Overhead view had it on the chalk of the RH batter’s box.

  6. David in Cal July 30th, 2011 at 2:29 am

    I watched the replay of Gardner’s strike 2 and like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa saw it about 4 inches outside. However, Gardner is right that it doesn’t matter what he thinks. Nor does it matter what I think.

    BTW a call like this isn’t unusual. Mo generally gets the benefit of a wide strike zone. When his pitches are 4 inches outside, they’re often called strikes.

  7. stuart a July 30th, 2011 at 2:30 am

    good news aj is serene.. man that should pay off.

    the aj presswer makes jeter comments seem new, fresh, and iddferent. the main difference is jeter has 5 titles and is going to the HOF. aj is just another overpaid underachieving clown.

    under 500 on a team 19 games above.. aj should give charity about $13 mill. per year…

  8. Jerkface July 30th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    Gardner is the most picked upon yankee by umpires, routinely having the most balls called strikes on the team! Gardner had an ok day for an 0-fer. Lineout and a shoulda-walked, but doesn’t excuse the swing on the last pitch. He was probably really pissed from that call and got out of his game.

  9. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 2:43 am

    AJ, a .500 pitcher who was in the right place at the right time to cash in on his one really good year. He is no more than the # 4 or # 5 on this team. A crap shoot almost everytime he takes the mound.

  10. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 2:45 am

    Stuart, tell us how your really feel about AJ Burnett.

    You like the guy, right?

    Dare I say, love him to pieces?

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 3:15 am

    Jerkface July 30th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    Gardner had an ok day for an 0-fer.

    ***************

    An ok day going 0-5. You can’t make this stuff up, no one would believe you.

  12. Jerkface July 30th, 2011 at 3:21 am

    For an 0-fer, it was ok. Not that it was OK in comparison to say, getting a hit. Or more than 1 hit. He had some bad luck, umpire and a lineout. It happens. Some people look at an entire season. Where Gardner is one of our better hitters.

  13. Pepitone July 30th, 2011 at 3:24 am

    Yankees aren’t going anywhere with that pitching staff, and Cashman knows it. They’ve got a very good bullpen, and their offense is … well … ok. You don’t need a bash the walls offense if you’ve got the starting pitching, and the Yankees don’t have enough to compete against a playoff caliber team in a seven game series.

    The only reliable starting pitcher they have is Sabathia and that’s it. If they could make the deal for Matt Garza that would help (or, someone like him; Jiminez maybe).

    But, Boston, Texas, and even the Angels look stronger than the Yankees in a seven game playoff where starting pitching is the key.

    Anyway, Phillies, Braves, and Giants, are the class of baseball this year. It won’t make any difference who comes out of the AL, those three have way too much top of the line starting pitching to not come out on top in a seven game series.

    Cashman just needs to stay patient, remain competitive, replace the oldsters with some of the youngsters, and they’ll be back in no time, just not this year.

  14. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 3:43 am

    The Phillies got Pence. You would think Cashman could have given up something and added a significant bat like Pence who is under contract for a couple more years.

    Philly gave up two guys in A ball and 2 players TBNL ? ? ? Pence would have fit nicely into the DH /OF rotation and provided a live bat. Cash missed the boat again.

  15. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 3:44 am

    Upgrade Gardner before the deadline. He’s weak sauce.

    Bring in Quentin and make Gardner a 4th OF defensive replacement/pinch runner.

  16. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 3:46 am

    Gardner set a fine example for the HOPE Week kids at the game last nite by smashing his bat into the ground. He must be paying too much attention to Brian Wilson.

  17. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 3:47 am

    Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 3:44 am

    Pence would have been a nice fit. Oops………that ship has sailed…………..again.

  18. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 3:48 am

    No Beltran, No Rasmus, No Pence.

    Tough to figure.

    This Ubaldo stuff is holding up other deals…par for the course for the “patient”(poosy) Brian Cashman.

  19. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 3:51 am

    Just look at expression on Cashman’s face. He looks like he’s suffering from a perpetual anxiety attack.

  20. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 3:55 am

    Let’s be real, the Ubaldo stuff is all BS. Cashman could have had any one of the OF’ers for peanuts. Now the Ubaldo talk will be like Lee was, Cashman with a gun to his head to give up the most and best prospects.

    With Cargo and Tulo signed long term, Ubaldo is going nowhere.

  21. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 3:56 am

    That look on his face is from the corn cob he is sitting on.

  22. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 4:03 am

    Yeah he’s pretty tense. That’s why high strung types identify with him and rush to his defense when he gets called out.

    There needs to be a trade for a pitcher followed by a trade of Hughes or Nova for an OF upgrade over Gardner.

    If you have to trade Hughes + Gardner for that player or Nova + Gardner for him, fine.

    Get Jimenez, get a bat and I’ll shut up.

  23. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 4:07 am

    How would the fans react to a surprise trade for Melky Cabrera? I think it would be received much better than the front office could anticipate. He’s a gem for KC though. It’s probably just wishful thinking. He’s 11th in MLB in Total Bases. That’s pretty impressive for a 26 year old who was rushed through the minors, thrown to the wolves and left for dead.

  24. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:08 am

    Bret get some rest, time is running short and 3 good bats are gone. Ubaldo ? ? If Cash deals away 3 top prospects some here will be crying up a storm for weeks on end.

    How about Kuroda and Revere of the Twins ? That should make you sleep better. LOL !

  25. waka flocka July 30th, 2011 at 4:40 am

    I wish Vineyard/WCYF would kill himself. Ban me, I really don’t care

  26. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 4:46 am

    Your a funny guy, its too bad you are under some illusion of who I am. I live in the NorCal Wine Country and WC lives at the beach in SoCal.

    That must be hard for you to comprehend being mentally challenged and all, especially with your quote of 4:40am.

  27. pft2 July 30th, 2011 at 4:49 am

    @Bret Hitman. You have what may be the best LF’er in the AL (2nd when hamilton is healthy) for 600K and you want to upgrade?. How about a trade for Carl Crawford and his 142 million and Andrew Miller just to even it up.

    @Unknown. AJ may not start but looks like it is Garcia, CC and Hughes going at Fenway. Could be a rough weekend (Friday and Sunday anyways).

  28. Jerkface July 30th, 2011 at 5:17 am

    pft2,

    Forgive them, they don’t know value when they see it.

  29. Vineyard Yankee July 30th, 2011 at 5:29 am

    Answering for others again. Effects of ‘OCD’ no doubt.

  30. Gary July 30th, 2011 at 6:35 am

    Smiling Nick up there going for the K’s again last night.

  31. blake July 30th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    AJ is a #4 starter …..ignore his.contract and.adjust your expectations to that and you’ll feel a lot better about him. He did his job last night…..he didn’t pitch great but he gave them a chance to win and the Yankees didn’t win because they couldn’t score any runs off of Jeremy Guthrie. They lost because the offense stunk a lot more than because of AJ.

    As we’ve kinda figured ……according to Sherman the price for Ubaldo is Nova, Montero, and Betances. Will the price drop today? Maybe but there is no obvious reason for the Rox to significantly drop it. Will the Yanks ultimately pay that price? I don’t think I would but who knows. One thing to consider is that if they do this deal and Jack Z winds up changing his mind on the guy they really want this winter or next year then they likely wont have the pieces to get him at that point.

    We’ll see how it goes today…..

  32. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Could a trade for a pitcher happen today/tonight for the Yankees from these MLBTrumors??:

    The Rockies want Ivan Nova and two of Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, and Jesus Montero from the Yankees, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post. According to Sherman, “to say the Yankees and Rockies are not finding common ground on Jimenez’s value is an understatement.” The Red Sox, Tigers, and Indians remain involved, while the Reds are “less heated to make a deal.”

    “Rival executives believe that if the Rockies lower their asking price at all today, it will signal clear intent to move the pitcher,” tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney

    Yesterday we learned that officials in the Kuroda talks believe that they’ll need to come to a resolution by tonight since the hurler will need some time to approve a deal. The Dodgers continue to talk with teams but the asking price remains high.

    linkage..

    In what could be an indication of a forthcoming move, the Tigers are calling up pitching prospect Jacob Turner, tweets Jon Heyman of SI. Meanwhile, Jason Beck of MLB.com tweets that the club is not answering questions about his status.

    Jimenez-lower the asking price today. if not are the Yankees out?
    Kuroda-will he waive his NTC today to play in NY?
    Tigers-Showcasing Turner for a possible trade for a pitcher?

  33. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    besides the need to bring in a SP there’s also a need for a hitter…this team is in the playoffs but a 1st rd and out is just about certain if nothing is done

  34. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Blake-

    Good morning. I didn’t see your post above mine, as I was researching and typing mine.

    Ubaldo pitches against SD @8:35 tonight, Nova goes @7:05. I actually think Nova is the key ML ready piece that the Rockies want to replace Jimenez immediately. Could a good Nova showing and a so-so or poor Jimenez showing lower demands?

    I hope it’s all resolved at some point later tonight.

  35. blake July 30th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    If the Rockies really want either Betances or Betances then Id offer to give them Betances and take Montero out. Replace him with upside bats from the lower levels along with Nova.

    I think they need to try and keep Montero and Banuelos both because they need a young bat and Lefty and because keeping those two would probably still give them the ability to make a run at Felix if the Mariners ever change their mind.

    I like Ubaldo and Id like to see them aquire him….but he’s not the sure fire ace that they have been willing to deal Montero for in the past……it would be a bit of a compromise on what they want and would be a risk …..its a risk that could pay off but the Yanks may rather wait it out knowing they should make the playoffs wihout him.

  36. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    joeman-

    Definitely need a hitter. It doesn’t have to be a slugger. I’d like to see someone brought in who sustains rallies, and hits well with RISP in all situations. Preferably someone that can play good defense and plays all 3 OF positions, allowing Swisher and the other OF’ers to play at DH, lessening Posada’s plate experiences.

    With all that, if Montero is still a Yankee, and I hope he is, bring him up by Monday let him catch 3xweek for the tiring Martin and DH also.

  37. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    this is a small the part of the schedule they were suppose to get something done…A’s..Sea..Balt & they are 4-3 thus far….The month of July 13-11. Now they are going into part of the schedule they have only 9 home games all month of Aug

  38. blake July 30th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Trader,

    I doubt Nova is a sticking point for the Yanks…..they’d probably give him…..they don’t want to give both Montero and Betances and probably one more than the other. If the Rockies are motivated enough they may drop the price…..not sure if the are or not but they seem pretty engaged in this whole thing…..much moreso than an attempt to.just gauge his value..

  39. blake July 30th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    A split against the Orioles at home isn’t good enough…..they need 3 of 4. Of course 4 game series are always tough to win against anybody which is why I don’t like them.

  40. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    # Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    joeman-

    Definitely need a hitter. It doesn’t have to be a slugger. I’d like to see someone brought in who sustains rallies, and hits well with RISP in all situations. Preferably someone that can play good defense and plays all 3 OF positions, allowing Swisher and the other OF’ers to play at DH, lessening Posada’s plate experiences.

    With all that, if Montero is still a Yankee, and I hope he is, bring him up by Monday let him catch 3xweek for the tiring Martin and DH also.
    ————————————————–

    Michael Cuddyer is a guy that plays all over the field and can hit, don’t know that Minn would move him

  41. austinmac July 30th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    The Yankees appear unlikely to make a substantive or perhaps any moves. They do not appear to be remotely close to anything. I don’t know why no offensive addition was even considered.

    In the winter, the concept was to add at the TD. Why can the Phillies add Avery good player every year? Anyone doubt the Sox will improve their rotation? I do not.

    The only remaining possible move is Wandy, principally for contract relief. Yet, I can’t see them taking on money. I believe the empty seats, whether paid for or not, result in significant loss of peripheral income.

  42. mick July 30th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    if you show up an ump by marching to 1st on a “close” pitch , the new rule is the ump will call it a strike.
    dont matter if its a foot outside.

  43. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Blake-

    Didn’t mean to imply that Nova is a sticking point for the Yankees, only that the Rockies want at least one major league ready player to come onto their active roster now and Nova is it.

    Absolutely, if they can save Montero, I’d be ecstatic.

    Anyway by the stroke of midnight tonight I predict the Yankees will have a pitcher-who I don’t know!! :)

  44. mick July 30th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    was nova announced?
    it would be great if he threw lights out and challenged hughes for the job

  45. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    joeman-

    Always liked Cuddyer.

    The Twins are getting hits on Jason Kubel and Michael Cuddyer but are unlikely to trade either of them, tweets Scott Miller of CBSSports.com.

  46. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    # Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Always liked Cuddyer.

    The Twins are getting hits on Jason Kubel and Michael Cuddyer but are unlikely to trade either of them, tweets Scott Miller of CBSSports.com.
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    thats just the type of player they need….give them a shot in the arm

  47. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    mick

    Nova listed for tonight. Attached ML schedule:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/

  48. blake July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Im sure the Sox are going to add a starter……either Kuroda, Bedard, Wandy, Harden or somebody. They apparently got bad news on Buchholtz and I highly doubt they want to go into the playoffs with Lackey as their #3.

    I think the Yanks should have checked on a bat as well. The prices for Pence and Beltran were too high though, I wouldn’t have wanted the Yanks to match those prices. They will add Alex back in August and they can add Montero also if they still have him next week. They could see what the ChiSox want for Quentin but I don’t think they are serious about moving him now being only 2 back in the LC.

  49. Keith--FL July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    We need offense more than pitching, AJ as a #3-4 starter did his job last night, 8 innings, 4 runs, 10k’s…..bring in Matsui to be the DH, roll the dice with a salary relief trade with the Astros and Wandy Rodriguez, at least he is a lefty starter….trade Hughes to KC for Melky and a AA outfield prospect of KC that can give us someone in the minors to be a future outfielder…Melky can play some RF, some LF, as Swisher and Gardner are not true everyday players, and call up Montero to be back-up catcher to split time with Martin…shake-up needed b/c this team will lose in WC round with this dead offense….remember in 1996 we traded for Cecil Fielder and he wound up playing 1B alot in postseason b/c Tino was slumping, same thing here with Matsui and Melky, add the player having better years now and worry about the line-ups, playing time later…..

  50. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Trader,

    If they can’t add Ubaldo I think they’ll add Kuroda…….if that’s how it goes then I just hope they don’t have to pay too much. He’s better than AJ and Hughes right now but I don’t see him really being a huge factor in a playoff series…….I think the Sox will get him if the Yanks don’t though.

  51. NYYanksFan July 30th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    “Jeter gets blamed when he doesn’t even bat…LOL”

    The bad PR from the contract, the All Star game and paying Lopez, a milestone chase and now blamed for a loss. Jeter got a crash course in being A-Rod this year.

  52. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    The Phillies can’t have any prospects left……they are really going for it now which sigh their roster I can understand. The Braves are much younger and are already good….might as well go all out before Utley, Halladay, and Lee are too old and before Hamels is pitching for the Yankees.

  53. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    # blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Trader,

    If they can’t add Ubaldo I think they’ll add Kuroda…….if that’s how it goes then I just hope they don’t have to pay too much. He’s better than AJ and Hughes right now but I don’t see him really being a huge factor in a playoff series…….I think the Sox will get him if the Yanks don’t though.
    ——————————-
    if I may ..I don’t think Kuroda does anything for this team but give it length in the rotation & he’s is what they have right now, he’s not that good.

  54. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    Watched Bedard’s implosion in the 2nd inning on mlb.tv. He was so bad, that he probably got his wish to stay in Seattle.

    Buchholz- going for exam on Monday. The Red Sox didn’t send him to the Doctor earlier, afraid that any bad news and trading partners would jack the price up!

    Could that hitter be a >300 hitter against both lefties and righties, play all 3 OF positions well, and hit with RISP >.300 under all situations. That’s exactly what Cubbie Reed Johnson offers!

  55. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    # Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    Watched Bedard’s implosion in the 2nd inning on mlb.tv. He was so bad, that he probably got his wish to stay in Seattle.

    Buchholz- going for exam on Monday. The Red Sox didn’t send him to the Doctor earlier, afraid that any bad news and trading partners would jack the price up!

    Could that hitter be a >300 hitter against both lefties and righties, play all 3 OF positions well, and hit with RISP >.300 under all situations. That’s exactly what Cubbie Reed Johnson offers!
    —————————————–
    there you go same team trade for a hitter and SP…..Garza and R Johnson

  56. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Joeman,

    I don’t disagree …..I don’t think they need Kuroda, but if they can get him.cheap then Im fine with it.

  57. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Reed Johnson is Ok. I don’t see him.as.a big upgrade though. Garza would cost a lot more than he’s worth…..the Cubs aren’t trading him cheaply.

  58. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    in the situation the Dodgers are in can they even trade any players ?

  59. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    if I may ..I don’t think Kuroda does anything for this team but give it length in the rotation & he’s is what they have right now, he’s not that good.

    joeman-

    look at Kuroda’s split stats, career first and then 2011. he does very well in August and September , against teams like the Phillies, against lefties and righties, etc

    Attached them for you:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/pl.....e=Pitching

  60. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Yea the Dodgers can trade players……especially to shed salary on an expiring contract. MLB may not let them.trade away key assets though ….I don’t know.

    Now.is a perfect time for them to trade Kemp if they don’t think they can sign him…..value will never be higher.

  61. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Blake-

    Looks like our favorite NL team, the Braves, might be focusing on a CF bat now.

    The Braves’ talks for Oakland center fielder Coco Crisp slowed Friday, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney, but he wonders if they’ll be rekindled now that the Phillies got Pence.

    The Braves are almost certain to land an outfielder before the deadline, reports Rosenthal. He cites the names you have been hearing for a while: B.J. Upton, Michael Bourn, Ryan Ludwick, Carlos Quentin, and Josh Willingham.

    Bourn is on the Braves’ radar, tweets Crasnick. Padres right fielder Ludwick is “more down the list of options.” Would Astros GM Ed Wade deal another outfielder? He told reporters earlier tonight, “We’re going to be open-minded on all fronts. We’re going to be good listeners.”

    The Braves are targeting a center fielder, tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan, though it doesn’t rule them out on corner guys.

  62. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Trader,

    They should be…..they should have gone after Rasmus at that price. I would like to see them go after Upton. He’s what they need really….CFer that plays great D and a power RH bat……maybe the Braves way could finally get him to play hard and tap into the talent that’s there. If Im the Braves that’s who I target.

  63. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    few thing about Kuroda from me…he’s 36 years old, 34-43 lifetime record in the majors with a 3.50 era in the NL…and I don’t care for SP who move from NL to AL, I may be wrong but they seem to struggle

  64. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Why add more mediocrity ?

    The Yankees have worked hard to develop one of the best farms in baseball.

    IMO they only trade for people that might significantly increase their chances in October.

    Otherwise just stand pat.

    No trade is better than a bad trade.

    Too bad the Rox don’t appear ready to come off of their asking price.

    I would not include both Betances and Montero in that trade.

    U-Jim has a bigtime arm but he’s still risky.

  65. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Keith–FL July 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am
    We need offense more than pitching, AJ as a #3-4 starter did his job last night, 8 innings, 4 runs, 10k’s…..bring in Matsui to be the DH, roll the dice with a salary relief trade with the Astros and Wandy Rodriguez, at least he is a lefty starter
    ——————————–
    Some good points. Wandy Rodriguez has been very inconsistent and came off the DL with a bout of left elbow “inflammation” Is the risk worth it?

  66. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Speaking of the Dodgers……Id take that package that the Rockies are asking for to them and offer it for Matt Kemp (Montero, Betances, Nova) just to see what they say.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    If the Yankees trade Montero they are an organization thoroughly out of touch with what their biggest needs are.

  68. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Guys like Kuroded and Wandy are mediocrity.

    They don’t help in the playoffs.

    Pass on both.

  69. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Blake-

    Just wait for Kemp to hit FA.

    ;)

  70. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    MTU,

    Kuroda is a little better than what they have…..I would add him if its real cheap on the prospect front……like nobody impact at all. It also keeps him away from Boston who currently is looking at the possibility of John Lackey in Game 3 of the ALDS.

  71. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    The prices of Beltran and Pence were not too high for the Giants and Phillies. So I’m not quite ready to dole out brownie points for Brian Cashman just yet. And Rasmus? What’s his excuse for passing on that bat? Worried about him not being an upgrade over Posada? Worried about something? The usual.

    Austinmac is right. This trade deadline is supposed to make up for the non-moves in the winter.

    You have Garcia and Colon leaving next year. You don’t want to get stuck with CJ Wilson.

    Something needs to happen now and Cashman gets no extra credit from me.

    Prices to high?

    Then you need to explain how trades ever happen in the first place. If the price is to high, the player doesn’t move. These players are moving though and teams are paying the price.

  72. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    MTU,

    I agree….and that’s probably what’ll happen……but their new owner might get him to resign

  73. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    You can’t avoid the market every year, year in- year-out and claim that the prices are too high while GM’s out there are improving their teams and paying market value, even if the market involves taking on some risk. The Giants took on some risk. The Phillies took on some risk. Since when did the entire Yankees fan base become such poosies about taking on some risk.

  74. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    If they want to give Kuroded or Wandy away that’s fine but I doubt that’s what they want to do.

    I’d rather get a quality bat than either of those two.

  75. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Brett,

    They would have had to give Betances to match what the Mets got for Beltran…..probably more for Pence who is a good but not great player. The price for Rasmus was dirt cheap in value……but it was also all big league players which was what the Cards were looking for to win now.

  76. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    U-Jim has a bigtime arm but he’s still risky.

    MTU-

    Geez, now that you convinced me, this past week that Jimenez would be a very good #2, as you’ve watched him pitch many times, now you tell me-”he’s risky”

    Is it the decrease in velocity. The 94-95 heater as opposed to hitting 98 in the late innings on the radar gun? Does he have that as yet medically unnamed, nonpainful, shoulder ailment, presently called Philitis?

    Is it even the willingness f the Rockies to consider their ace with the team friendly contract?

    Or is it his delivery/mechanics. Is he the next Jake Peavy, or worse yet Mark Prior?

  77. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MTU,

    Agree….I think both of those guys will be cheap. The Astros will probably give Wandy away if someone will take his contract. It’ll be interesting today.

  78. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    And if standing pat is considered the Yankees permanent strategy because they consider the playoffs some kind of “crapshoot”, they should really take a look at teams leading their division like the Phillies and Giants who are STILL pushing to improve their teams. Those teams obviously don’t consider the playoffs a “crapshoot”.

  79. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    The Yanks are smartly trying to devalue Ubaldo……they are trying to get the price down which means they want him…..just aren’t doing an all out asault to get him.

  80. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    YT-

    The mechanics are the biggest long term issue.

    The stuff will be awesome. He has 4 pitches all plus some ++.

    He has a long delivery which can get out of whack.

    Velo being down is probably a combo of the mechanics with a little Verducci thrown in.

    His stuff is still good enough that on any given day he can still dominate.

    Going forward I think he would be awesome.

    The risk is the here and now. Not the future IMO.

  81. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    The Giants lost their best hitter for the season though and the Phillies are really light offensively from the right side as well…….the Phillies just trade away everybody though anyway…..I can’t wait until their bubble pops and they stink again.

  82. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:37 am

    The Yankees can try to negotiate the price of Ubaldo down but in the end, they should pay a “high price”, just like the Giants and Phillies paid “high prices” to improve their teams. That’s how it works…or at least how it should work. I want my team to be aggressive. If they’re in first place, push harder. If they’re not in first, same thing applies. That goes without saying.

  83. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    The Phils have morphed into the way we used to be.

    They have emptied the farm.

    That bubble will burst at some point and they will have nothing to rebuild with.

    They are an old team going for it now.

  84. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    MTU,

    Yea they are…..I can’t blame them really. The have about a 2-3 year window and they are going to try and get the most of it.

    Bret,

    I want them to improve the team as well…..but I don’t want them to cave and jeopardize the long term success of the team either.

  85. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    MTU-

    OK i feel better now, It’s the Verducci effect not Phillitis! :)

  86. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Furthermore, paying a “high price for Ubaldo when you’re in second place is no more a panic move than the first place Giants and Phillies paying a “high price” to improve their teams.

    I am really sick of hearing trades and big moves being equated with panic.

    That’s nothing more than a talking point for Cashman when he wants to cover his own ass.

    Panic is sitting around expecting some magic mystical market to appear where all prices involve zero risk and GM’s don’t expect overpays.

    That market never arrives because it doesn’t exist. It’s a fantasy and Cashman needs to get it out of his thick skull.

  87. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    The Rockies price price has already dropped from their original demands though and if they didn’t have some interest in dealing him then they had no reason to do that. I think they want to trade him before tomorrow……how badly Im not sure.

  88. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Are the Phillies and Giants caving and jeopardizing the long term success of their teams? I’d say they’re doing the opposite. That’s just another variation of the talking point that if you pay a high price for an impact player like a Beltran, Pence or Jimenez then you must be making some sort of panic move. Is there such thing as adding an impact player without at least incurring some risk? Hell no.

  89. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Bret,

    I want them to improve the team as well…..but I don’t want them to cave and jeopardize the long term success of the team either.
    ————————————-
    Ditto!! And watch who you call a “pansy”-at least that was what I hope you were referring to!! LOL

  90. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I have to be honest with you guys, I’m very disappointed in the narrow line of thinking Cashman and the front office has shown in not upgrading the offense.

    I think it all goes back to May and Jorge’s tantrum. If the Yankees were committed to putting the best lineup on the field they would have either promoted Montero to DH and part time catch or gone out and acquired a guy like Beltran, Pence or Rasmus to take over RF and make Swisher the DH.

    Those were clear upgrades that wouldn’t have cost the farm. Heck, promoting Montero would have been because of the farm.

    It’s such a narrow minded myopic way of looking at the team.

    It’s because of that I’m almost 99% convinced they will trade Montero by tomorrow. They look at the roster and see they have Martin who Girardi and pitchers love even though he hits like a pitcher now, they see they have Tex at 1b and they see Arod being their DH in the future…so instead of saying Montero could improve upon any of those positions, they will say, “we have no room for him”.

    The inability to think out of the box is showing. If that’s because of Cashman’s tenuous contract status or because the owners are checking out or because they know this team won’t win, I don’t know.

    All I know is that the team is letting pieces go off the board to show deference to a player who quit on them May and hasn’t hit his weight for most of the season. I love Jorge. I don’t want him to be waived. But I don’t want him as the DH against anyone anymore.

    I think the Yankees and Rockies are going to do this deal and they’re gonna send Montero to Colorado among other good stuff. If Montero turns out to be the bat everyone in here thinks he will be then you hope Ubaldo at least holds up his end of the bargain here. I have faith in Ubaldo, but he does not come without risk.

    That said, the front office is looking very un-creative in their thinking right now. They are basically putting the same streaky offense that flopped against Texas in the playoffs last year out there again….except this time we’re worse at DH and our C doesn’t hit anymore. It’s not even as potent as it was last year with Berkman and Jorge behind the dish.

    Cashman has until tomorrow to show his hand. If he does nothing and still doesn’t promote Montero, you can thank Jorge for blocking the roster with his pride and blame the front office for aiding and abetting that move.

  91. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Blake-

    I understand the win now mentality but IMO you shouldn’t totally deplete your farm to do it.

    Balanced approach is where it’s at.

    Develop some of your own and supplement from the outside.

    A mixture of youth and experience; Homegrowns and FA’s.

    That’s a winning formula IMO.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Not that it matters the morning after, but Chad the pitch was clearly outside & was a god awful call.

    The swinging strike to end it wasn’t pretty, but if that ump wasn’t asleep that would have been a BB & DJ would have had a chance.

    But to me the critical AB was Martin’s. If Montero were up, they could have pinch hit him there, or god forbid they could risk his “subpar” defense, he might have started the game.

    The Yankees need to wake up & realize the offense needs help. This whole Martin thing is costing them now & will cost dearly in the future if the kid isn’t brought forth or, worse, traded. They have no way to replace the kind of offense he could provide. Alex isn’t even in Tampa yet. If Montero were taking these ABs for Martin, we might have taken advantage of those half games we blew. Pitching? The offense isn’t good enough.

  93. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Bret,
    I think Cashman will pay the price if he gets what he wants. He doesn’t want to pay for a ferrari and get a camaro.

  94. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Contract notwithstanding, Burnett is no more than a No. 5 starter. Whether it’s Ubaldo Jimenez, John Danks, or Wandy Rodriquez, a reliable starter needs to be added with playoffs in mind.
    Some good talent will have to parted with but nothing for nothing applies here. The farm system will not be stripped ……… still lots of good talent on the way. If possible, include Carlos Quentin in any deal with the White Sox to insert a needed bat in the lineup.

  95. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    These teams paying high prices for impact players are not panicking. They’re in first place. They are being aggressive. It’s the bloody polar opposite of panic.

  96. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Lackey is 4-0 in his last 4 starts

  97. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    “No trade is better than a bad trade.”

    Amen.

    Adding Alex and Soriano helps the team a lot.

  98. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Ubaldo pitches against SD @8:35 tonight, Nova goes @7:05. Could a good Nova showing and a so-so or poor Jimenez showing lower demands?

    I hope it’s all resolved at some point later tonight.

    Gotta go and run some errands.

    Don’t think the Yankees will stand pat. Expect a lot of activity tonight.

    #1′s face each other tomorrow in what could decide who wins the AL CY-Weaver against Verlander.

  99. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    G Love,

    I agree with you…..but the Yanks would have had to part with Betances to match the Giants offer for Beltran, and they would have likely had to pay more for Pence. They should have checked into Rasmus if they didn’t because what the Jays got him.for.was just absurd…….however, the Cards wanted big league players nowbso they could go for it this year and.lose in the first round or not make the playoffs at all.

    So to get any of those 3 guys the Yankees would have had to either part with top prospects or subtract from the big league roster.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Lackey is getting away with suck pitching because of offense bailout.

    Bring up Montero & get Alex back, we’ll bail out an AJ performance like last night.

  101. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Tar-

    Don’t take me wrong. I would love to upgrade but the price to do so has to be taken into account.

    If the price is not right there is no point pulling the trigger.

    Blake said it well. Don’t want to pay for a Ferrari and wind up with a Chevy.

    Careful consideration needs to be given to that point.

  102. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Bret,

    I agree with you. The Phillies for better or worse are putting their pedal to the metal and not letting minor league rankings stop them from making their team as powerful as they can.

    The Yankees, on the other hand, aren’t using the farm to help the big club in the immediate and aren’t using the farm to help them in trades.

    They’re freezing the prospects out instead of looking to them to help their issues and they’re refusing to deal them for MLB pieces that can help the current group get stronger.

    I think we end up with Ubaldo and I think Cashman is not thinking about making any other deal than that one hence his inability to think out of the box and chase other targets.

  103. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    The inability to think out of the box is showing.

    **********

    G. Love,

    You can say that again.

    That was a fantastic post with my one addition…

    We don’t really know if the Yankees plan for DH is one where they add Prince Fielder or add Reyes. Any plan to sign Reyes would mean their plan for DH is somewhat more creative – Jeter to DH for 2 years, then Arod to DH after Jeter retires or Jeter to 3b for 2 years and AROD to DH through the duration of his contract.

    If they plan to add Reyes or Fielder this off season, then trading Montero instead of earmarking him for DH AB’s in 2012 and beyond becomes more clear.

  104. blake July 30th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I don’t think the White Sox are serious about trading Quentin only 2 games out …..

  105. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    turn into this tonight at 6:00 pm….should be interesting

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/n.....travaganza

  106. MaineYankee July 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Bret The Hitman

    Panic is making a trade because everyone else is even if it isn’t in the best interest of the team.

  107. sunny615 July 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    This offense is asleep. Arod can’t get back soon enough. Too old or too young or too streaky. It’s either on or off. Rarely is there ever a consistent offense.

  108. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/n.....travaganza

  109. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    blake,

    We knew they needed Beltran back in early June. If Cashman and the Yankees were motivated, they could have taken his salary on from the Mets, assumed more risk by dealing for the player early and had him before the deadline where the priced rose.

    I don’t think the Mets would have turned the Yankees away if they were offering a good prospect package and assumed the money risk 2 months before the deadline.

    Cashman waited and waited patiently for some of these guys to hit to the backs of their baseball cards and he’s waited in vain.

  110. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Lackey is getting away with suck pitching because of offense bailout.
    ———————————————–
    it does help

  111. G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Bret,

    This front office will not add Reyes. That’s too creative and risky to Jeter’s ego/legacy/etc. Look at how they handle things here now. They do not rock the boat.

    That said, if Texeira remains a .240 hitter I can see the owners panicking and chasing Pujols and Fielder because they are terrified of losing box office star power in the coming years and Tex hasn’t lived up to the job of MVP candidate and gate attraction.

  112. tyanksfan36 July 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    MTU and Blake

    I would not say that the Phillies have emptied the farm for Pence. The guys they gave up will probably succeed with Houston but I have seen the pitchers that Philadelphia has in high A and I can say that it wouldn’t surprise me if one or more of them ends up in their rotation or bullpen in a few years. They still have Jonathan Pettibone and Trevor May who I’ve seen a few times. Trevor May struck out 14 but it got tied and then called so the game got scrubbed from the books. They have Jiwan James in the outfield who can cover some ground and can hit the ball at times and their catcher Sebastian Valle was in the futures game and was selected to the FSL Allstar game which is more about performance than popularity. 4 of the 5 pitchers in their rotation made the FSL allstar team. and that’s just at the high a level.

    I’d have to say I was shocked when I heard who they gave up but they still have a lot of talent left in that farm system.

  113. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    G Love,

    Maybe but I think the Mets said all along that they were going to take the best player they coukd get for Beltran and not worry about salary relief in his case……Sandy played that very well and got a potential #1 starter for him.

  114. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    “Is there such thing as adding an impact player without at least incurring some risk? Hell no.”

    There are different types of risk. Monetary, short and long term are three off the top my head.

    The Ubaldo trade in particular has a very good potential of making Yankee fans regret it for a very long time.

    The way I look at it– Betances can be our “Ubaldo” next year, and we can still have Montero this year!

    I guess i’m more of a monetary and short term risk kind of guy.

  115. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    The hesitancy we’ve been seeing in the front office over the past 2 years is the very essence of panic. You have to be more realistic about risk. It is a reality of the trade market. If you’re going to run around in risk avoidance mode, you need to be creative and think outside the box as G. Love says.

    You need to figure out a way to get things done.

    We’re not seeing that.

  116. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Tyanks,

    I didn’t mean in that one deal but they’ve traded away a lot of talent over the last couple of years…..but to be fair they have gotten some really good stuff back in return

  117. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Maine,

    Nope. Panic is not getting off your rocker because you’re terrified of risks.

  118. joeman July 30th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Vance Worley is going to be a very good SP in the NL for years to come at 23 years old

  119. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Bret,

    This front office will not add Reyes. That’s too creative and risky to Jeter’s ego/legacy/etc. Look at how they handle things here now. They do not rock the boat.

    *********

    I hope you’re wrong. Cashman better not step outside today or the sun might blind him.

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Though he would have been a great pickup, they wouldn’t need Beltran if they would just call up their own effing big-time bat & replace Martin with him.

    They have the damn bat & are content to watch Martin ground out in key spots while they pretend he’s Thurman Munson.

    Cash, pick up the phone!
    Don’t call Colorado, call Scranton – that’s where your best solution lies.

  121. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Giants caved by giving up Wheeler for a rental. They were defending champions and while at first balking at sacrificing Wheeler, finally gave in. If Giants don’t win it, sacrificing their top pitching prospect was a waste. However, unlike us, at least they have young mlb pitching in spades.

  122. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I wouldn’t have matched the Giants offer for Bektran….but I don’t think its fair to Montero to expect him to have the same impact as Beltran would have on the lineup…….he should be up but he’s probably going to struggle some when he is called up if he isn’t traded…….prepare yourselves for it now.

  123. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Do you think the Giants didn’t assess the worst case scenario? Of course they did. And just because you can envision a worst case scenario (Montero raking and Ubaldo bombing for instance) doesn’t mean it’s going to come to fruition. If you are a pessimist, a worry wort or a tight ass, then I guess that worse case scenario dictates your reality every time. Not me.

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Tar, if we trade Betances, then we’d better be prepared to watch him have a great MLB career for someone else.

    You don’t trade power arms like that. They’re not going to come along very often. He’s going to move a lot faster than people think. I have to laugh when I see people write here that Warren, Mitchell and Noesi will make up for the loss of an arm like Betances. Give me a break.

    If the dumbbells would just call up MONTERO, they would see that offense can have a role in helping your pitching. They are stuck on this truism about pitching because they’re pretending this is the 2009 offense. It isn’t.

  125. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    I liked the move by the Giants really…..they traded from an area of strength and a guy that’s still in high A ball (I think). Ride the wave while you can……it was a good trade for both teams IMO.

  126. tyanksfan36 July 30th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Blake

    True, they have given up a lot in the past but with this move I think it was not that risky, they traded away 2 guys in high a and 2 more. They definitely have enough talent to cover for that move. Apparently Cosart is from that area in Texas so playing for his hometown team is probably cool for him.

  127. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    OT: Has anyone ever ate at the Men’s club in Charlotte, NC? I was there last night. The girls were a bit money hungry but the food was delicious. Pat M., if you ever come out this way, we’re going to the Men’s Club. They have a dang licensed masseuse that roams around and gives massages at $10 per song. :lol: It’s a 4 star restaurant.

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I’ve been saying for virtually months that Montero needed a learning curve period so that he wouldn’t be in adjustment mode down the stretch. Well, they didn’t give him that, but what he’s able to offer may still lengthen the lineup. The lineup right now is not going to get it done, Ubaldo isn’t going to help them score runs.

    FREE JESUS!

  129. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    J AlFred,

    No starting pitcher is a lock to do anything until they do it in the bigs. I love Dellin’s upside but the % of pitchers that hit it is very low…….

  130. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Tyanks,

    Fair enough……seems the Astros did cave a little on a guy they didn’t have to trade…..
    hoping the Rockies do the same today.

  131. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Buddy of mine plays poker professionally and the night was on him. Dude is gangster.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    The hesitancy we’ve been seeing in the front office over the past 2 years is the very essence of panic.
    ///

    Hesitancy? They didn’t satisfy your “go for it” impulses enough by losing Vizcaino & his 101 mph fastball and killer curve and Cabrera’s developing bat for Vazquez?

    Wish Melky were here to hit .298 for us with 26 2B & 13 HR. Wish Vizcaino were here to come out of the bullpen in September/Oct. Wish Mike Dunn were here to give us another LHRP.

  133. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Bret,

    There is a little restarant in Cornelias called Alton’s kitchen that you should try if you haven’t already…….its very good. No night life though, .just good food.

  134. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    blake, I agree Giants’ mlb pitching allows for taking a risk that we could not.

    Montero needs to be called up ASAP IF he isn’t dealt this weekend. I can’t wait until the intrigue of the trade deadline is over and done with, and will be happy to finally know what our team is going forward. SAVE Montero.

    AS for Betances, if Yanks trade him, they are fools.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    blake,

    Name one other arm in our system that is anywhere near this guy. You can’t do it, because there is no such guy. The only other guy with that kind of arm is now in the Braves organization, which may please you, but it doesn’t do much for the Yankees. So, you want to make sure we get rid of the other one.

    No thanks

  136. Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    When the Yankees missed out on Cliff Lee the uber optimists said its ok, the offense would carry them through to July and we would get someone to slot in nicely behind CC. Now, as expected, the pickins are slim and some are saying we can hold off and wait till the offseason, where, the pickens are also slim. I’m not one to force a trade for mediocrity but at some point you have to take a shot and either use your farm system in the big leagues or use it to deal for big league talent. The Yankees seem hesitant to do anything with Montero other than let him play minor league baseball and Betances and Banuelos won’t be in pinstripes without innings limits until about 2014. The core of this team is unfortunately old. Yes, Cano and Granderson and tex are in their prime, but arod, jeter, and mariano are on the backside of their careers and mariano specifically is done after next year so there will be more holes to fill in the near term while we wait for prospects. The win now mentality makes plenty of sense in my view because of these facts. Its very possible that banuelos and betances and montero will all be nice contributors to the big league roster some day, but when and what’s around them at that time are major question marks and they themselves are also big question marks until proven otherwise at the major league level.

  137. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Carlo, Montero can be a contributer NOW if the Yankees would just call him up. Every other hitter in the prospects top 10 has had looks or is up in the majors. Montero arguably has a better bat than all of them. If the Yankees offense is suffering it is their own fault. Free Montero.

  138. Joe from Long Island July 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I think we need take a step back, be objective, and separate our fears and anxieties from what we know, really know.

    1. We know what the needs are with the team.

    2. We know that the Yankees have not made any deals.

    3. We have fears that without certain moves the team may not go far enough in October.

    4. We do not know how active Cash has been in working up possible deals, nor the players that have put in play, or not, because the GMs, the only ones with that knowledge aren’t talking.

    Like they say in certain military circles, those who are doing the talking don’t know, and those who do know aren’t talking.

  139. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Blake,

    Will have to hit up my buddy here and check it out.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    yankeefem, you can say that again.

  141. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    “Name one other arm in our system that is anywhere near this guy.”

    Maybe not the velocity but Banuelos is at the same level 3 years younger. Listen…..Im not trying to ship him out or anything …..just saying that the chances he’s ever as good a pitcher as Ubaldo is now at the big league level aren’t 100% and are probably far less than we want to believe. There is a list 5 miles long of AA pitchers with great arms that never amount to anything.

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 9:23 am
    When the Yankees missed out on Cliff Lee the uber optimists said its ok, the offense would carry them through to July and we would get someone to slot in nicely behind CC.
    ////

    First of all, they tried to get Lee & failed. I’m glad they failed, because it meant Montero was safe. I don’t know who your uber optimists are, but maybe they said the offense would carry them through because they thought that Montero would be part of it, instead of broken down, pop-gun Martin.

  143. Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    J Alfred – the yanks got fleeced in the Vazquez deal, no two ways about it. That said, u can’t become paralyzed because one deal completely imploded. The goal is to win titles and as I pointed out in a prior post, waiting on guys who may or may not be ready in 2014 is foolish when you have no idea what the team will resemble at that time. The fact that Montero hasn’t gotten a chance despite the ML club having a league worst DH and inept offensive catcher should tell everyone a little something about what the Yankees truly believe Montero is capable of.

  144. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    MLB top 10 hitters in Total Bases

    #11 – Melky Cabrera

  145. Carlo July 30th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    J Alfred – I was referring to them missing out on Cliff Lee in the offseason, not at the 2010 deadline.

  146. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    “The Yankees seem hesitant to do anything with Montero other than let him play minor league baseball and Betances and Banuelos won’t be in pinstripes without innings limits until about 2014. ”

    Eh….barring injury or.complication …..Manny should get a full season in AAA next year and be ready to contribute in 2013 sometime……I was hoping they could get him 140-150 innings this year then about 175 at SWB next then enter him into the rotation with no innings limits in 2013. That may or may not happen.

  147. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    MLB top 10 hitters in Total Bases

    #10 – Miguel Cabrera

    #11 – Melky Cabrera

  148. RYUKINGDOM July 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    When I bought my official Yankee calendar a year ago, I looked through the pages and came to the month of July and it featured Burnett. I gasped even before the season began and he was my worst nightmare. He’s featured for July and he had the worst July ever. Just don’t feature him in any month next year.

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    blake, apparently the chances of Ubaldo being himself aren’t nearly 100 percent, either.

    Banuelos is a great prospect, but if he were a left-handed Betances, he’d be Matt Moore.

    I’m not parting with either guy (unless you want to give me Matt Moore for one of them, or Kershaw. I’m not giving up either for Ubaldo Jimenez) but it’s not my decision. I don’t think Cashman is too keen to deal either of them, but there are sinister forces within that may force him to.

  150. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    I should say…

    MLB top 10 hitters in Total Bases

    #10 – Miguel Cabrera (MVP winner)

    #11 – Melky Cabrera (4th OF)

    :lol:

  151. Stoneburner July 30th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    The Indians were willing to discuss southpaw pitching prospect Drew Pomeranz, reports Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post. Pomeranz is ranked anywhere from #14 to #35 among all teams by prospect experts. Red Sox third base prospect Will Middlebrooks and righty Anthony Ranaudo are of interest to Colorado, adds Renck.

    mlbtraderumors

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:33 am
    MLB top 10 hitters in Total Bases

    #10 – Miguel Cabrera

    #11 – Melky Cabrera
    ///

    It’s your dumb philosophy to get rid of young guys for “guarantees” that caused him to be traded. That’s actually not entirely right. They never valued his bat, & they lost him and a guy that people are drooling over who throws 101 mph. DUMB YANKEES.

  153. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Shurlock,

    What lead you to believe Ubaldo Jimenez = Javy Vazquez?

    Get a clue.

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I don’t believe that for a minute.

    & if that’s even remotely true, that they’d accept Ranaudo, then offering Betances would make the Yankees the biggest fools on the planet.

  155. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    And I always believed Melky would pan out Shurlock…in case you needed a hint.

  156. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Ubaldo has a lot greater chance of being a frontline big league starter than Berances does because he’s already been one.

    He’s only 4 years older and has already had 3 straight sub 4 era and 200 IP seasons.

  157. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Oh, but, didn’t you see Javy’s peripherals from 2009?? Javy was going to be a shutdown No. 2 for us!

    Melky was just a 4th OF who couldn’t tie Gardner’s cleats, & Vizcaino was in low A & would probably never sniff the majors (ask some here about probabilities with even great arms).

    Well, you keep boasting about Melky & Vizcaino has catapulted to No. 17 overall in rankings & just got moved to AAA. He’s moving fast, as was predicted for him.

    Same narrative, a few names changed, Same disastrous conclusion waiting to happen. You make sure to keep touting Melky’s numbers & you make sure to watch the Braves in the later innings down the stretch.

  158. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    The Rockies are obviously going to make it sound like they like some of Bostons guys…..that’s negotiating 101. Play the big boys against each other.

  159. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Good arguments on both sides.

    Neither carries the day though IMO.

    Can’t trade ‘em all. Can’t keep ‘em all.

    Trick is which ones to let go of and which to keep.

    I’ll be out on trails again today.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    I’d rather develop my own guy, who’s only 23 & who is built like a tank. He just jumped onto MLB rankings for the first time. Somebody has an inkling he might be pretty good.

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    MTU, I’ll welcome Ubaldo with open arms. We got a lot of good prospects. They can have a look & put together a package they like. They just can’t have the any of the Top 4 guys.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Yeah but who are they fooling? Surely not the Yankees. Ranaudo?? He may have a future, but he’s nowhere near the status of either of our guys. If anything, I tell Colorado, well, since your standard for a good young arm is Ranaudo, here’s a list of our B arms (just not our “B” arms, which are our A arms).

  163. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Trade suggestion box below:

    [ ]

    Place your suggestions there.

    We thank you,

    The Management

    :)

  164. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    J Alfred,

    Your whole stance is based on the fact that you’re positive Betances is going to be a frontline starter in the bigs leagues …….if you follow prospects at all though you have to know that’s not always the case. Its a long road from AA to big league ace.

  165. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    JAP-

    I think that’s the holdup right now.

    The price.

    ;)

  166. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Thing is you don’t want to put all your eggs–er, prospects in one basket. Imagine if we had cleaned out the farm for Josh Johnson. Look where he is now. If we get Ubaldo and he really isn’t healthy, that would not be a good thing. Bottomline is you don’t want to overpay for anyone, arms are iffy. So, if you make a deal for Ubaldo, don’t overpay. And you had better damn well have some idea of what you are going to replace Montero with if your offense continues to fizzle.

  167. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    YF-

    IMO they consider all those things during the discussion period.

  168. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I would trade Betances + for Ubaldo……its when you put Montero in there that I say no thanks.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:38 am
    And I always believed Melky would pan out Shurlock…in case you needed a hint.
    ///

    Well then you deserve credit for that. Cano has been telling people for several years that Melky can hit. Bill Massey predicted he’d win a batting title one day. George Brett said he didn’t realize how talented he was.

    BUT THE YANKEES didn’t see it, just like they’re turning a blind eye to what Montero can do for the offense (Montero is worlds above Melky as an offensive player) and seem as though they can’t wait to get rid of him.

    They’ve already tried to get him out of here twice and they’re trying for a third time it would seem. & this is a cause for celebration for you & others. SMH

  170. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    “Arms are iffy”

    Prospects are even iffier though many times ;)

  171. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    MTU, they *should* consider them, but knee-jerk reactions and pressure from above can sabotage levelheadedness. Let’s hope they make a wise decision and one that helps us both in the short and long-term. (fingers crossed)

  172. Tar July 30th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    “Trick is which ones to let go of and which to keep.”

    I agree

    They have plenty of trade pieces and lots of money. The Yankees don’t need to include any of the big three. And certainly not two or more.

    This team as constructed is better than everybody is giving them credit for!!!!!!

    They have the third best record in all of baseball, despite losing Joba, Alex, Derek, Bartolo, Chavez, Soriano and Phil.

    Let them get everybody back and healthy. Make a move if it makes short and long term sense. otherwise there is no need to panic.

  173. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    blake, point is you don’t overpay for an arm. If we overpay, we are fools.

  174. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    YF-

    I am sure they havae many, many discusions before pulling the trigger on an important trade.

    Sometimes a side may get over ruled. Doesn’t mean there hasn’t been a thorough discussion.

    Also doesn’t mean we’re gonna agree with the result.

    ;)

  175. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Just like there are no guarantees that Banuelos or Betances will ever be the Jiminez of early 2010, there’s also no guarantee that Jiminez isn’t going to be what was in early 2010, either….or even close. That’s the Jiminez that Colorado is selling, not the Jiminez of the last 365 days.

  176. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    I would not celebrate the loss of Montero. I’d celebrate the arrival of Ubaldo Jimenez to back CC Sabathia. I think that has the potential to be the best 1-2 punch in baseball. Since Jimenez is on such a cheap contract, money that would’ve gone to CJ Wilson will go to Jose Reyes or Prince Fielder instead.

    So Jimenez + Reyes/Fielder absorbs some of the sting of losing Montero.

  177. jacksquat July 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    FREE MONTERO!

  178. 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Cashman gets approval from the hierarchy by early afternoon today on what his final plan is for upgrades.
    He begins his serious and final bantering today and up to the deadine.

  179. Stoneburner July 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Tigers closing in on Fister – mlbtraderumors

    Looks like it is down to Yanks, Sox, and Cleveland for Ubaldo

  180. blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Yankeefem,

    Totally agree there……what’s the definition of over pay though?

  181. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    “overpay”

    “panic”

    More talking points.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    J Alfred,

    Your whole stance is based on the fact that you’re positive Betances is going to be a frontline starter in the bigs leagues …….if you follow prospects at all though you have to know that’s not always the case. Its a long road from AA to big league ace.
    ///

    No, my whole stance is based on the fact that he’s not only our No. 1 pitching prospect, but he’s incredibly talented. INCREDIBLY talented, whether he ultimately realizes it or he doesn’t, his potential is not just he’s OUR best, he’s a franchise changing type prospect.

    I’m not giving the potential of THAT for Jimenez. Let them have some very good bats & some good arms for him. Not THAT arm.

    Cashman may decide to give him up, but if he does I won’t be jumping for joy.

  183. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    GB,

    Agreed….and if they don’t come.off that price then you pass. Ubaldo is an elite talent though……I know people like to.compare him to AJ but he’s got better tools and is a better pitcher than AJ ever was…..and that’s pitching in the worst park to pitch in in baseball.

  184. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    It’s easy to be critical of things using a 20/20 hindsight telescope.

    No one knows what the real considerations were.

    No GM is anywhere near 100% except of course Theocratus Sophisticus
    of the Sux.

    That’s why they are the pros and we are the schmoes.

    :)

  185. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Banuelos is our #1 pitching prospect.

  186. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Blake I’d have already told O’Dowd to stick it. Just like with Pence, Rasmus and the others. Look at what was demanded from the Yankees and what was accepted. Old habits are hard to break. One day, the GMs will figre out that the days of pushing GMS into a panic move are over.

  187. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Furthermore, if Jesus Montero gets traded, what do you think the Yankees plan is for DH next year and beyond?

    AROD? Then who is your new 3b?

    Any trade of Jesus Montero right now is an indication that there is a plan for DH next year and it’s not AROD (that leaves you without a DH) and it’s obviously not Jorge Posada.

    Since Jimenez is so cheap, there will be money to spend.

    There will be 2 big bats on the market.

    Fielder.

    Reyes.

    Should I slow down?

  188. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Let it play out.

    :)

  189. Stoneburner July 30th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    In addition to Turner and maybe Rick Porcello or Max Scherzer, the Rockies asked the Tigers for outfielder Brennan Boesch, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports. Knobler notes that Turner is starting for the Tigers today.

    ******

    Rockies are still asking for a lot from teams. . . .

  190. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    What Im in favor of is getting Ubaldo and keeping our #1 hitting prospect (Montero) and #1 pitching prospect (Banuelos). If that’s possible and Cashman can do it then I say go for it……its a risk worth taking……if not then I probably pass.

  191. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Overpay equals not trading 2 “A” prospects away in a deal for Ubaldo. Ubaldo is not Felix or Kershaw.

    What we do this weekend, will reveal how much control Cash has and what our philosophy is going forward. Cash does not want to trade our A prospects. He has said so. Let’s just hope cooler heads prevail.

  192. Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    edit: (that leaves you without a 3b)

  193. LGY July 30th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    What year will BOTH Banuelos and Betances be in the rotation?

  194. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    GB,

    I didn’t see anything where the Yanks made an offer for Pence or Rasmus…..did they?

  195. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am
    GB,

    Agreed….and if they don’t come.off that price then you pass. Ubaldo is an elite talent though……I know people like to.compare him to AJ but he’s got better tools and is a better pitcher than AJ ever was…..and that’s pitching in the worst park to pitch in in baseball.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Colorado is no more difficult than pitching in the AL East and in YS. Those two homers last night were sucked into the same jetstream that’s there every summer. Jiminez gets no pass for that park. He certainly had no issues with it for 3 months last year.

  196. Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    # blake July 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I would trade Betances + for Ubaldo……its when you put Montero in there that I say no thanks.

    ———————————————–

    If they can do that them I’m all for it.

  197. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Yanks can probably have Ubaldo for Montero, Betances, and Nova…….that’s too much IMO but it’ll be interesting to see if the Yanks pass on that.

  198. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    blake, Betances is Banuelos’ equal and has superior stuff. Banuelos only gets the nod b/c he is a lefty, but Betances is the one of the two who has the higher ceiling and the ace potential. He also *may* have more risk. I love Banuelos, but he is not Betances.

  199. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:07 am
    GB,

    I didn’t see anything where the Yanks made an offer for Pence or Rasmus…..did they?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    You didn’t think it would be lower, did you. Look at Seattle’s and Minnesota’s demands over the last couple of years and look what they accepted.

  200. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    GB,

    YS isn’t above 5000 feet and doesn’t affect the actual pitches you throw though.

  201. spidanyc July 30th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    ESPN’s Jim Bowden reports that the Red Sox are “working hard” on a deal for Hiroki Kuroda that would send a minor league prospect to the Dodgers.
    It’s been unclear whether Kuroda would be willing to accept a trade to the East Coast, but the general consensus is that he’d OK the deal since it would just be for a couple months. The Red Sox are looking for pitching help with Clay Buchholz’s uncertainty and others’ poor performances, and Kuroda, who holds a 3.11 ERA through 21 starts this season, would be a nice fit.

    and

    ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that the Tigers are “making progress” on a deal for the Mariners’ Doug Fister.
    Though he’s probably not the quality of pitcher Tigers fans were hoping to acquire, Fister, along with top prospect Jacob Turner (who’s expected to be promoted), could give the team’s rotation a shot in the arm. Fister boasts a 3.33 ERA and 1.17 WHIP in 21 starts this season for the Mariners and will be arbitration-eligible for the first time over the winter.

    —————————————————————————————–

    Hopefully the above is true in both cases. I would love for the Red Sox to get Kuroda who will get hammered in the AL, and for the Tigers to get Fister. That would leave only the Indians and Yankees as viable options for Ubaldo, which will also drop his price down.

  202. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Someone explain to me what I am not seeing when I look up Ubaldo’s numbers on Baseball-Reference.com.

    I saw one stellar year, and the rest pretty much so-so.

    I see an awful year this year.

    And unless I am totally misreading those numbers his home/away splits are not what I’ve been led to believe by reading things here. It’s not like you look at those splits and say, “Whoa, get that man out of Coors Field!”

    What am I missing? Fully understanding that numbers without watching a performance is limiting.

  203. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Banuelos is also 3 years younger……which is important to me.

  204. GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    GB,

    YS isn’t above 5000 feet and doesn’t affect the actual pitches you throw though.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    The wide outfield and distant fences equal it out.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    J Alfred – the yanks got fleeced in the Vazquez deal, no two ways about it. That said, u can’t become paralyzed because one deal completely imploded. The goal is to win titles and as I pointed out in a prior post, waiting on guys who may or may not be ready in 2014 is foolish when you have no idea what the team will resemble at that time. The fact that Montero hasn’t gotten a chance despite the ML club having a league worst DH and inept offensive catcher should tell everyone a little something about what the Yankees truly believe Montero is capable of.
    ///

    You can’t become paralyzed? You’re paralyzed if you don’t cough up Betances/Banuelos/Montero? Your top 3 system guys who are not just YOUR top 3, but are on everyone’s Top 50??

    Take at look at other team’s top 3. How many teams have ALL 3 with elite status??

    I’m talking about 3 guys who are MORE RELEVANT to the future than Melky & Vizcaino would have been. Can’t be paralyzed? So we should repeat the mistakes of the past. Those who don’t learn from history, etc.

    I love the way people say “winning titles” is the goal, as if having elite young talent is anathema to winning titles, rather than being the best insurance for success.

    The skewed logic is self-serving of course. If you say “winning titles” we’re all supposed to buy it that getting Ubaldo = winning a title.

    Yea, that’s guaranteed. All we have to do is blow the future away for today.

  206. MTU July 30th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    All I can say is this.

    When Cashman calls you all into his office you better be ready.

    Have a good day.

    Later.

    :)

  207. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    “The wide outfield and distant fences equal it out.”

    The big outfield hurts the pitchers though…..that’s always been the thing with Coors. The outfield is huge and so hits fall in but unlike Petco or somewhere guys can still it it out.

  208. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    blake, if the Yankees trade Montero, Betances and Nova for Ubaldo, they are sorely overpaying.

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:01 am
    Banuelos is our #1 pitching prospect.
    ///

    it’s really nit picking, but actually Betances is regarded as the team’s top pitching prospect. Manny being a lefty & the way the stadium is set up, they may want to keep him more than the other kid, but Betances is the best arm in the system, by the Yankees’ account (& he really is).

  210. Villa Nova-Ya July 30th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    In any event, I agree with those who don’t see Ubaldo worth 2 “A” prospects. Right now at this juncture and in this deal, I don’t want to trade any of the top guys, and certainly not 2 of them.

    As happened in the Cliff Lee situation last year, it is not necessarily the value of each singular piece, but the price when you add up a few of the pieces. Nunez was not a deal breaker; Nunez together with the other pieces would have been overpaying by the Yankees. Adams (who inconveniently was injured) would have been an acceptable price.

    But I’m glad it didn’t happen last year, thinking Montero would be a player for the Yankees for a short time this season and deeply ensconced in the 25-man in 2012.

  211. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Haha MTU knows how to keep it light ;)

    Have a good one.

  212. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    “blake, if the Yankees trade Montero, Betances and Nova for Ubaldo, they are sorely overpaying.”

    Agreed…take Montero out though and id do it

  213. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Have a good day, MTU. I am heading off to work for a couple of hours myself.

    blake, I am not a fan of trading Betances at all; however, if you take out Montero, they will want another top prospect in exchange. Who are you giving up?

  214. blake July 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Yankeefem,

    Not manny…..anybody else.

  215. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Betances has the build & arm for a long career. At 23, he’s not exactly cashing in the social security checks.

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    anybody else?

    Gary Sanchez, for instance? That be ok with you, blake?

  217. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    My mother in law is downstairs watching the replay of last night’s game. With the rain delay, she didn’t get a chance to watch much. Tex just hit that solo homer & she’s all excited (we we told not to reveal the final score this morning).

    Bring up Montero you fools! You’re causing my mother-in-law unnecessary heartache! :(

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