Yankees pregame: Long day of baseball
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2011 
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We’re set for a split doubleheader. Joe Girardi is not high on the concept, or on straight doubleheaders for that matter.
“I don’t like either one,” Girardi said. “I would vote for two seven-inning games, or you increase the roster for doubleheaders, just because it’s so hard on your team physically. It’s one thing if you have a day off after a doubleheader, but if you don’t, it’s really hard on you physically. I think it takes away from the quality of the game sometimes in a sense. So I’m not a big fan of doubleheaders, but Mother Nature is not something we can fight.”
Girardi added: “I’ve heard it brought up about increasing rosters lately for split doubleheaders, just because you could use an extra position player and you could use an extra pitcher as well, I believe. But I don’t know what’s going to happen.”
Game 1 starter Bartolo Colon isn’t the pitcher he used to be six years ago when he was a Cy Young winner. But Girardi said, “He’s pretty close. I think there’s a difference in Bartolo, though. I don’t think he had as much movement if you go back five or six years ago. But he also had more (velocity). His secondary pitches have improved since that time. But the biggest difference between Bartolo now and then to me is the movement. He was a guy who would get up to 98, 99 back in the day.”
It’s hard to say what’s ahead for Game 2 starter Ivan Nova, whether this is a one-and-done opportunity for now.
“As far as having an exact plan with Nova, we do not,” Girardi said.
The Yankees will have to make a roster move after the first game to make room for Nova. Wonder if it will be Chris Dickerson going down? He’s starting the first game in left. We’ll see.
The nonwaiver trade deadline is less than 28 hours away. Asked if this team is good enough to win a championship as is, Girardi said. “We got to where we are with the guys in this room, and that’s the bottom line. No, we’re not first place. I believe we have the second-best record in the American League and one of the better records in baseball. So this team has played very, very well with the guys we have in this room.
“Have we got big contributions from some players we didn’t necessarily expect? Yes, we have. But as far as trades, my job is to manage the guys in that room. My job is to get the best out of them. And there’s a lot of talent in that room.
“The big thing for this club is staying healthy. We’ve had some injuries that we’ve had to deal with. We’ve lost a lot of guys in our bullpen, but guys have stepped up. If guys keep stepping up like they’ve been, we should be OK.”
aj 31 and 33 as a yankee. worse then Ithought.
man the hillbilly is killing this team…
I’d like Jimenez – I think he could be huge for us – but I can’t give 3 elite prospects for him
Betsy,
What 3 elite prospects? You’ve been saying Nova is trash for months here and we’re all overrating him. It should be 2 elite in your eyes.
# mick July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
The yanks are desperate is a desperate remark.
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Or 2.5 elite, lol.
This organization sucks!
“aj 31 and 33 as a yankee. worse then Ithought.”
Remember when he was supposed to be Curt Schilling 2.0 for us because he ‘learned how to pitch’ from Doc?
He is worse now than he was in his Toronto days. Just healthier. And he sucks in the division.
Dodgers are 750 million dollars in debt. Yet, in a trade for Kordura they want to hold up the Yankees for Nova and a top catching pospect.
unbelievable.
for the record, would not make Nova available in this trade. Not.
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I’m pretty sure Cash can’t get Ubaldo without a package based on Montero + Betances.
Right now I’m just hoping he can protect Nova. I actually think that’s where there is a dog fight going on between the two front offices involved in these negotiations.
i would trade betances for jimenz bt not montero or manbam.
montero at a minimum will be the yankee dh next year….
I like ice cream, I like puppy dogs, I like blue skies, I am an expert , I have an opinion, look at me…
# West Coast Yankee Fan July 30th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
It’s possible that the powers that be think Montero is not as good as projected.
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They could think that and they could be wrong as well. This is the same franchise that begged teams to take Cano.
Really? Saying Nova isn’t Cy Young is trashing him? Either way, since you can’t be civil and clearly have no interest in having any kind of discussion, this exchange is over and done with. I’m sure we’ll both be a lot happier……..I know I will.
go watch a ballgame for a change…
I think everyone thinks Montero will hit. If the Yankees are so willing to trade him for someone like UJ, then I think it is likely they don’t view as a good enough catcher defensively. I’m not an expert but from what I’ve seen I think he could be good enough defensively if he hits like projected. Posada was never all that good defensively either and the Yankees did pretty good with him.
we’ll both be a lot happier……..I know I will.
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never.
This coming from someone who thinks Hughes is garbage, but still wants to send him to Colorado – as if the Rockies would want him. GLove is probably one of those callers to WFAN who make up ridiculous trades that benefit the Yankees while screwing over the other team…………
Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Rangers would only move Holland for Thornton if #WhiteSox expanded deal to include a starter such as Danks.
http://articles.nydailynews.co.....se-pitcher
Even though the Blue Jays don’t play the Yankees again until the third week of September, Shannon Stewart already is counting the days.
Stewart and the Blue Jays left the Stadium annoyed and upset yesterday, and it wasn’t because they dropped an 8-3 decision to the Yankees.
Stewart was the recipient of a Hideki Irabu pitch that landed square on his left arm in the third inning. Irabu appeared to be retaliating for an errant pitch by Kelvim Escobar that hit Derek Jeter on his left arm in the second inning.
While Escobar clearly struggled with his command the Blue Jays’ starter surrendered five runs in just 1 2/3 innings Irabu had just struck out the first two batters in the third inning before smacking Stewart.
“Everybody knows what is going on,” Stewart fumed. “I ain’t trying to start anything, but you know it and I know. We got another series. We’ll see what happens.”
Irabu, who notched his ninth victory yesterday, claimed he was trying to throw inside to Stewart and “it kinda got away a little bit.”
However, this is not the first time Irabu has hit Stewart. The Yankee hurler drilled Stewart last September in retaliation for Roger Clemens, then with the Blue Jays, hitting Scott Brosius.
These two teams have a recent history of throwing at batters. Last year during spring training, Irabu drilled Alex Gonzalez after Clemens hit Jeter.
This season, Andy Pettitte unintentionally hit Shawn Green, fracturing Green’s wrist and keeping him out for 11 starts. During that May 28 game, the Blue Jays did not retaliate.
“I don’t know why they were retaliating,” Green said of Irabu yesterday. “It was obviously an accident when Jeter got hit. Hitting him was like two months ago when they broke my wrist. We didn’t retaliate because it obviously wasn’t intentional.”
Jeter did not think Escobar deliberately tried to hit him. “Well, I don’t see why . . . it’s not like I’m killing the Blue Jays the last couple of days,” said Jeter, who was 0-for-4 on Tuesday before going 1-for-2 yesterday with two walks.
Regardless, Irabu’s actions show that the Japanese pitcher seems to understand the way the game is played here in the States.
Obviously, Stewart thinks Irabu has learned the game within the game very well.
Betsy,
Wrongo. G. Love posts with clarity, vision and precision. You don’t care if Nova is in this package or not. Isn’t that true?
jerome from the bronx
“montero at a minimum will be the yankee dh next year….”
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What indications have the Yankees sent that he will?
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Sense #Whitesox have really fallen out love with Thornton, would love move $13M owed ’12-’13. #Yankees among teams watching the LHR
1 minute ago
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Sense #Whitesox have really fallen out love with Thornton, would love move $13M owed ’12-’13. #Yankees among teams watching the LHR
Betsy,
You should look into medicinal marijuana. You seriously have major problems realizing when people are joking. Man, what a piece of work.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
as evan of @JoeandEvan just mentioned, thornton fits for #yankees. lefty seems to be on block. #tradedeadline
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Oh and I’m done with you tool. Go back to your Hughes obsession. It’s really healthy!
G. Love,
Why medicinal? Just smoke a joint.
I did last night
lgy-
i don’t get the feeling from your latest posts that you are in love with the way cashman is developing the young players with the yankees .
personally i think montero needs to be brought up asap.
. . . . waiting on passive-aggressive Hughes hatred.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....brawl.html
old BRAWL VIDEO!
Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Why medicinal? Just smoke a joint.
I did last night
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Ahhh! And I always thought he was a wrestling fan!
G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
When Ubaldo comes here and K’s 12 and wins a game against a big competitor I hope all the bellyachers who think he’s not worth the prospects go root for other teams.
Seriously. How are some of your prospect huggers Yankee Fans? You must hate yourselves rooting for a team that uses the majority of their prospects as trade chips.
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With all due respect, that’s a pretty pathetic attempt at a legitimate argument.
Burnett stepped up pitched a couple of big games in 2009 (against the Red Sox and Phillies) so does that mean he was worth the contract and long term commitment?
I don’t grade anyone’s worth on one game – or even a handful of games – against big rivals.
It’s the long term commitment and price they’d have to pay to get him. If they are going to surrender their elite guys, the player they get in return has to justify the cost.
You see Jimenez as an elite guy. I don’t. Sure, he was the first half of 2010 but that was in 2010. He hasn’t been the same guy since.
I’d surrender the prospects and cost it would take to get an elite guy like King Felix. But Jimenez is not on the same planet.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
other complication in Ubaldo #Yankees Relationships matter this time of yr, notice how many times same teams trade with each other (cont)
And it is clear the relationship between #Yankees #Rockies is, well, rocky
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# randy l. July 30th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
lgy-
i don’t get the feeling from your latest posts that you are in love with the way cashman is developing the young players with the yankees .
personally i think montero needs to be brought up asap.
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If he isn’t moved by Sunday he should be here the first week in AUG. I understand waiting until SEP but they might as well do it sooner than rather later.
Baseball-Reference.com sure has a lot of stats. And when I go the the “More Stats” page I am even less impressed with Jimenez than I’ve been.
He averages only 6.1 innings per start, for one thing.
He could have 4 more losses, based on the score when he left a game, and only one more win.
Lots of other stats.
But the bottom line, is to me he doesn’t look like a significant upgrade based on what the Rockies are asking for him.
What is wrong with the Yankees and Rockies relationship?
Why medicinal?
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its stronger…
betty has flown the coop, i guess it’s not just me…
IMO, of Montero is not dealt he will be brought up in August.
Triple,
I think Sherman is speculating (wrongly) that the lack of a trade history between the Rox/Yanks indicates a bad working relationship. It could just be that the teams didn’t need players on their respective teams. They did the Chacon – Ramon Ramirez deal.
Ivan Nova may be pitching for his Yankee life tonight.
is she a coward or just holier-than-thou?
oh i forget, she doesn’t like to argue…
just start them.
Ivan Nova may be pitching for his Yankee life tonight.
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or Hughes.
G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
When Ubaldo comes here and K’s 12 and wins a game against a big competitor I hope all the bellyachers who think he’s not worth the prospects go root for other teams.
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What happens if he bombs is it ok if he gets the A-rod treatment?
# 108 stitches July 30th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Ivan Nova may be pitching for his Yankee life tonight.
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scouts in the stands might benefit the Yankees if he pitches well
I wish we could pull the trade without Montero.
# Kelvin July 30th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
I wish we could pull the trade without Montero.
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They could but the Rox probably wouldn’t go for it.
onmorosi Jon Morosi
#WhiteSox asking price on Carlos Quentin is very high. #Braves interested but not optimistic about chances for deal, sources say.
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“Ivan Nova may be pitching for his Yankee life tonight.”
every game nova had pitched for the yankees has been for his yankee life which is the reason he should be in the rotation instead of hughes at the present time.
nova has handled unrelenting pressure since he came up and has come through overall.
because of this ability to handle pressure, i would trust him in playoff games much more than hughes at this point in time.
GF,
Fair point. I realize a lot don’t see Ubaldo as elite. I see him as one of the top 15 starters in the game. If dealing for him gave us 2 of those in CC and Ubaldo and we kept Banuelos on the farm for the future, I don’t think it’s as cataclysmic as some are making it out to be.
But yes, it all depends on how you view Ubaldo. I think he’s pretty great. He’s not Hallyday or Felix, but he’s the next rung down.
And I would hate to deal Montero for him, but I think the Yankees have their minds made up about Montero long ago.
If they had brought him north this spring, he wouldn’t even be a trade chip by this point in my eyes. He’d be a long term Yankee.
They kept him down to keep his trade value up. They don’t want him like some of the fans do.
Odds,
If he bombs he’ll get worse that Arod. Arod got booed while still putting up numbers. That said, if he bombs, he still has value and is a tradeable asset or will leave a free agent netting the team picks.
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
#Phillies have now made 1 big deadline deal 4 yrs in row: Blanton, Lee, Oswalt, Pence. They r a totally go-for-it org
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Amaro is the best in the business.
Jays GM is damn good as well.
because of this ability to handle pressure, i would trust him in playoff games much more than hughes at this point in time.
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so would girardi but he is giving hughes enough rope to hang himself.
nothing to lose, what doesn’t kill nova could make him stronger
Ken Rosenthal
Source: #RedSox also want Thornton, as reported by @BNightengale. Thornton could go. Quentin may be more a winter move.
randy l. July 30th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
“Ivan Nova may be pitching for his Yankee life tonight.”
every game nova had pitched for the yankees has been for his yankee life which is the reason he should be in the rotation instead of hughes at the present time.
nova has handled unrelenting pressure since he came up and has come through overall.
because of this ability to handle pressure, i would trust him in playoff games much more than hughes at this point in time.
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Spot on. I go further and say that sending Nova to Dodgers for a rental of Kuroda would be an enormous mistake, which the organization might come to regret. Furthermore, including Nova in a package for Ubaldo also would be unwise. If other teams are trying to fleece us, Cash should just stand pat.
“Sometimes questions get answered for you by a team’s actions.” — Jack Curry seconds ago on YES pre-game.
He was talking about why the Yankes haven’t brought up Romero. I think the same logic can be applied to Montero.
G. Love,
He is not a top 15 guy
Lincecum,Cain,Kershaw,Wainwright,Johnson,Oswalt,Halladay,Lee,Hamels,Strasburg,Hanson,Felix,Weaver,Haren,Verlander,Danks,CC,Beckett,Lester,Shields and Price are all better then he is
Hughes doesn’t strike me as a guy who’s problems stem from not handling the pressure. I have met the kid and he exudes a calm confident demeanor. His issues are purely mechanical and just developing as a major league pitcher
yanks are looking for a major performance from nova tonite
this would answer some of their pitching concerns
actually i think they could get more for hughes than for nova
# G. Love July 30th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Odds,
If he bombs he’ll get worse that Arod. Arod got booed while still putting up numbers. That said, if he bombs, he still has value and is a tradeable asset or will leave a free agent netting the team picks.
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True he would be an asset but the Yankees would have made the mistake of sending 2 or 3 prospects that could help the team or acquire other players for a guy that bombed.
Ruben Amaro:
Traded for Blanton
Traded for Halladay
Traded for Lee
Traded Lee for prospects
Traded for Oswalt
Courted and re-signed Lee against stiff competition from Rangers/Yankees
Traded for Pence
Cashman:
“Prices are high”
“We don’t want to make a panic trade”
“We’re happy with what we’ve got”
“I’d be hard pressed to find an upgrade from what we have”
“The boogie man is coming to get me.”
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chew on this….more to follow
Yanks Preparing Late Strike For Heath Bell and Ubaldo Jimenez?
Nice Joeman…
Triple,
2008-2010 Ubaldo was 10th in MLB in fWAR.
2009-2010 he was 7th.
Phranchise July 30th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Hughes doesn’t strike me as a guy who’s problems stem from not handling the pressure. I have met the kid and he exudes a calm confident demeanor. His issues are purely mechanical and just developing as a major league pitcher
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That may be true. However, Nova has demonstrated an ability to compete and get outs when he doesn’t have his good stuff. Nova doesn’t ever seem to rattle. The kid looks like he has the temperment to pitch in New York, as well as a good amount of ability. I don’t think that Nova is anywhere near peaking yet…
“The boogie man is coming to get me.”
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That’s actually funny.
In terms of Cashman and not being aggressive as Amaro. That’s how the Yankees used to operate when George was around and it lead to a barren waste land of a farm system. Maybe Cash doesn’t want to go down the same road again.
I think a trade deadline where the Yankees acquire Heath Bell, Matt Thornton, and Ubaldo Jimenez makes them instant favorites to win the World Series. It lengthens their rotation and creates a bullpen that potentially will shorten games to five innings. A second lefty in Thornton is imperative to beat the Red Sox in a short series. The presence of Bell would also mean there would be no need to go two innings with Mariano Rivera late in the season. At his age, they need to manage his innings more effectively.
For those about to rock Tillman, we salute you.
No team has a better 1-2 than CC Sabathia-Ubaldo Jimenez. It’s right there with Roy Hallady-Cliff Lee. Hamels is great as a #3 though and Oswalt as a #4 is disgusting.
We need a bat and a lefty reliever on top of it.
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
“The boogie man is coming to get me.”
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That’s actually funny.
In terms of Cashman and not being aggressive as Amaro. That’s how the Yankees used to operate when George was around and it lead to a barren waste land of a farm system. Maybe Cash doesn’t want to go down the same road again.
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It’s like people on this forum don’t remember the eighties.
S a respected voice in the Yankees organization is watching the Padres relievers today. From the start, San Diego has been adamant about not trading Mike Adams (cost controlled through 2012) since they see him taking Heath Bell‘s spot after a potential trade. I have been told the Yankees prefer Adams over any other Padres reliever.
The big news is a rumor via Tim Kurkjian of ESPN that the Yankees are “all in” on Ubaldo Jimenez.
If the Rox don’t drop their price (Nova and two from the B’s and Montero), then the Yanks should pass on him. If the Rox drop the price on Ubaldo, then their shopping of Ubaldo wasn’t simply a trial ballon. This implies that the Rox are trying to cash out on Ubaldo while the getting is good. In this event, the Yanks should tread carefully, and not give away too much, because Ubaldo will carry significant risks with him. I think that sending Hughes plus a couple of low to mid-level prospects for Ubaldo would be a good deal.
# Ghostwriter July 30th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Against All Odds July 30th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
“The boogie man is coming to get me.”
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That’s actually funny.
In terms of Cashman and not being aggressive as Amaro. That’s how the Yankees used to operate when George was around and it lead to a barren waste land of a farm system. Maybe Cash doesn’t want to go down the same road again.
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It’s like people on this forum don’t remember the eighties.
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Exactly. When the Boss was at his most impulsive, the Yanks had their biggest playoff drought since they traded for Babe Ruth.
Um, never use NYBD as a legitimate source for news.
It’s more or less on the same level as the Bleacher Report.
the yankees have the wild card wrapped up with what they have. the playoffs are a crap shoot.
there is absolutely no need to give up the farm for anyone out there who’s available.
cashman needs to put his money where his mouth is and develop from within at this point.
bring up montero ASAP and let him be shoehorned into the lineup by girardi which is what girardi is being paid to do.
i’d go into the playoffs with sabathia and colon as the #1 and #2 and whoever is on a run in sept gets the number #3.
that’s it, game on.
play ball.
Robbie’s patience got us another run.