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Yankees postgame: No deal

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman said he called around, that the goal is always to improve the pitching. But he didn’t find what he was looking for at the right price. So the rotation remains as is. The Yankees didn’t make a move before the nonwaiver trade deadline at 4 today.

“I just feel like we’re a lot deeper,” Cashman said. “I’m willing, by the position I’ve taken in the last three weeks, to rely on that than go out and pay an enormous price on something that I’m not certain what it’s going to provide. …

“We have one of the premier rosters in the game right now.”

Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon have combined for 18 wins. Cashman also praised the improvement in A.J. Burnett and talked about Phil Hughes just having to find the consistency. But most of all, he talked about the organizational pitching depth.

First there’s Ivan Nova with nine wins and no spot. Then there’s Adam Warren, the 23-year-old Triple-A righty. Cashman said he’s “a legitimate starting choice for us right now.” But they’re highest on Manny Banuelos, who appears to be on the fast track. The 20-year-old lefty has earned a promotion from Double-A Trenton. He’s scheduled to make his debut for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre on Tuesday. Cashman didn’t rule him out of the major-league picture for this season, either.

“He’s obviously got ability that the whole industry has taken notice of,” Cashman said.

Cashman also didn’t rule out moves before the waiver-deal deadline Aug. 31.

“It doesn’t mean we’re done shopping or done looking,” Cashman said. “But at the same time, I’m very comfortable with the decisions we made. I like our team. We’ll continue to look for ways to make it better. I think we have some very talented young kids. They might come up here and it’ll be interesting to see their attempt to make it better.”

Brett Gardner, who had the decisive three-run triple in today’s 4-2 win over the Orioles, didn’t think a trade was necessary.

“Everybody has been playing pretty well,” Gardner said. “You hear people talking — not players, teammates or coaches, but outside, media, things like that — about trying to get a pitcher. But I don’t really see where we need one. Our guys have been throwing the ball great.

“Freddy and Bartolo were two great pickups in the offseason. Both those guys have been tremendous. I think we’re right where we want to be at.”

Mariano Rivera took the no-deal outcome as a positive.

“That gives the whole team confidence that the front office, the manager and everybody, has confidence in us,” he said. “We have a great team, so we just have to go out there and fight.”

*Derek Jeter’s right middle finger took a beating in this series. He took a grounder off of it Saturday night. Then Jake Arrieta hit him on the knuckle with a third-inning 91 mph fastball in this finale. Jeter came out an inning later for a pinch hitter.

“I just have problems gripping, which can affect throwing and swinging, which is a problem when you’re trying to play baseball.” Jeter said.

X-rays were negative. He’s day to day. He hopes to play tonight in Chicago. But Joe Girardi wasn’t so sure.

“Could it be a day or two? I think it could be a possibility,” Girardi said. “We’ll see how he feels tomorrow.”

*Freddy Garcia extended his career-high streak to 59 2-3 innings without allowing a homer, the longest streak now for starters in the majors. He also improved to 54-23 in day games, a .701 winning percentage, the best among active pitchers. Why’s he so good on the day shift?

“Maybe because the players go out and they don’t have no rest,” Garcia said, smiling. “I don’t know. I love to pitch day games. It’s always been that way.”

*Francisco Cervelli pinch hit for Jeter in the fourth and played two innings at second, his first time there in his career. His one chance resulted in a low throw to second, but he still got the force. Cano moved from DH to second in the seventh.

“(Girardi) told me to get ready and then I started putting my shin guards on and he said, ‘You’re going to play second base.’ I said, ‘Alright,’ ” Cervelli said. “I was surprised, but you just do it.”

*The Yankees finished the homestand 7-3. They are 9-1 now vs. Baltimore.

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580 Responses to “Yankees postgame: No deal”

  1. blake July 31st, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    That is something that Cervelli does provide…..he can play 2B or 3B in a pinch…..I do think he’s improved this year

  2. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Cashman sounds pretty high on “el prodigio”.

    Can’t say I blame him.

    ;)

  3. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    That was scary with Jeter…….I ranted at dinner about the Orioles, but my father just doesn’t get it. He thinks I’m too cynical – that they are punks, lol. Then again, he also thinks players today are wimpy for complaining about playing both games of a double header. Well I just told him that the good old days really weren’t so good and that as far as DH’s go, the horse is already out of the barn……..

  4. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I still don’t get why Banuelos was promoted off of his year this year……the Yankees always seem to rush their prospects with not so great results

  5. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Meaning, I think the O’s are punks and have no compunction about hitting opposing players – led by the manager ____ Showalter (which is what I called him at dinner).

  6. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Anybody seen the movie Dinner for Schmucks?

  7. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Banuelos is the exact type of guy who I think could take advantage of a change of scenery and really take off.

    Him, Montero, and Betances are really uber-prospects in terms of their talent. All three of those guys have major league ready tools right now. Its all a matter of refinement.

    Manny will probably have to throw more strikes in AAA than in AA to succeed, and I suspect that’s what he’ll do.

  8. Crawdaddy July 31st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    “I still don’t get why Banuelos was promoted off of his year this year……the Yankees always seem to rush their prospects with not so great results”

    I don’t know how you can say they rushed Banuelos. Going back to last year, he spent almost a full year in AA ball. Also, don’t judge a promotion strictly based on their stats. Ballclubs look much deeper into the prospect then what his stat line looks like.

  9. Crawdaddy July 31st, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Also, it will be interesting to see how Banuelos responds to working with a pitching coach that was a southpaw ML pitcher in Aldred.

  10. G. Love July 31st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    mick,

    I’ve seen it and I think I know exactly where you’re going with it, lol. Excellent choice of guest.

    As for the deadline, I hope the non-moves rallies the troops this week and lets them know no one is coming to save them (other than Arod).

    This team is used to getting guys at the deadline who are supposed to have impact. Instead, it’s all hands on deck. I like it.

    I don’t like how the Yankees were treated in trade discussions. I don’t see what the Indians gave up for Ubaldo being even close to what the Yankees were being forced to give up.

    I’m glad we still have Nova and if Montero comes up and hits, I’ll be glad we kept him. That said, I’m still not sure they’ll promote other than a token Sept. callup.

  11. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    GLove you sink to new levels when you call my parents schmucks…….go crawl back under your rock, worm

  12. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    You two are twins in a womb…….

  13. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Barring injuries, Colon and Garcia have earned playoff starts. The question might be AJ or Nova for the 4th starter, if needed. Hughes is a project at this point going thru ST. He shouldn’t be on the playoff roster. What was the need for a Rodriguez or an iffy Ubaldo?

  14. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    GLove you sink to new levels when you call my parents schmucks……
    ==========================
    Not sure he was calling your parents schmucks…

  15. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    You would know from shmucks, you putz

  16. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Now we are communicating…

  17. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 31st, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Cashman really has low expectations for AJ if he considers what he’s done this year as “improvement”.

  18. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I would love to see Nova take AJ’s start in the playoffs.

  19. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    I know everything! I have laid eggs… inside of your brain*\!

  20. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    The Hughes experiment is almost over. Nova will not be sent back down.
    Someone has to go down when Alex returns and it will be a pitcher.

  21. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I’m going with regular ol ice cream tonight so Nick can stop mocking my dessert choices :mad:

    With gummy bear topping to show my support for Cashman and his huggable prospects.

  22. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    I’ve got Funky Pretzle goldmine ice cream – yum……..vanilla ice cream with chocolate covered pretzels and caramel. Nothing better……

  23. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Looking forward to tonight’s Curb.
    LD will be up to new lows .
    Now there’s an honest man…

  24. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    So let me get this straight.

    Ivan Nova throws 7 innings of 2 run ball against a terrible offense yesterday, often working out of trouble, and he’s commended as if we saw the second coming of Pedro Martinez’s 17 strikeout game in 1999.

    But Phil Hughes tosses 6 innings of 2 run ball against a terrible offense, working out of trouble often, and in 2 of three starts before that had tossed 6 innings of 2 run ball and 5 innings of 2 run ball, and he’s essentially a worthless piece of garbage?

    I’m not sure I follow.

  25. stuart a July 31st, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    aj has improved over last year. again lastyear was 1 of the worst statistically for a yankee starter in there history. for a 30 + start season aj had the worst #’s ever…..

    look it up. they had no options so they had to use him and even today with his contract are stcuk with him. if he is starting gae m2 of the playoffs I will be pissed….

    stats in the minors are often innacurate. remember defensively there are deficincies and yes with plate discipline it can skew pitchers K potential….

  26. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    be nice guys….

    AJ has improved this year…..he was terrible last year and he’s been a pretty consistent back end starter this year…..forget about his contract and adjust your expectations to a #4 starter and it’s a lot easier to feel ok about AJ.

    Banuelos is going to be really young in AAA…..an ideal plan for him to me would be to put him at SWB and just see how he does….if he responds to the promotion and takes off and they think he can help down the stretch and post season then call him up and let him get a taste of the bigs. Then start him at AAA next year for a full season at SWB….let him try to get 175 or so innings. Then he’ll be ready for the big league rotation if all goes to plan in the spring of 2013 at 22 years old……

  27. Jerkface July 31st, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    I got frozen yogurt with mochis to mourn the loss of Uehara

  28. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    G-C,
    I think it’s the process more than the results….Nova is getting a lot more swings and misses and just looks better out there….stuff looks better, looks more confident and comfortable etc….Hughes isn’t missing any bats…..he should have give up more runs that he did in that game but Gardner threw a guy out at the plate.

  29. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    In a perfect world with perfect logic you would be right G C but it’s not as simple as that.
    If you had your choice to start a playoff game today, would you take Nova over Hughes?

  30. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Rasmus 2-4 with a 2B against the Rangers :( luckily the Jays had to gut their system to get him…..oh wait :( again.

  31. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    what’s wrong with twins in a room or womb?

  32. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    AJ has kept them in games and is nowhere near the debacle he was last year.
    He will probably get game 3.
    Game 4 is the interesting one…

  33. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Nova induced 8 swinging strikes yesterday.

    Hughes induced 10 swinging strikes in his terrible start against Seattle.

    I’m sorry, I just don’t see it.

    I understand the logic, Blake, for sure. I understand that people think Hughes doesn’t look “crisp.” But I really believe this is a situation in which expectations are distorting how people are evaluating the results he’s put forth so far.

    Gun to my head, as of tomorrow, I probably start Nova in a playoff game. But this is basically ST for Hughes, and he has the ability to be so much better than Nova as he continues to build arm strength that any arguments for taking him out of the rotation just don’t make sense.

    ESPECIALLY because his starts since he’s come back have looked a hell of a lot like the starts that Nova was giving them all year long.

  34. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    G-C,

    I hope you’re right….just what I’ve seen so far though is a guy that can’t sustain his velo past the first couple innings and a guy that has no pitch to go to get the hitter out…..I’ve said many times that I still believe in hughes long term and I do…..its just getting “late early” this year.

  35. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    On July 30 2006, the Yankees acquired Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle from the Philadelphia Phillies for C.J. Henry, Matt Smith, Jesus Sanchez and Carlos Monasterios.

    Are any of those players traded to the Phillies still playing baseball?

    If you want to review some of the past Yankee deadline deals since 2000, attached is slideshow from bleacher report:

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....g-deadline

  36. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    That said……they do have an 8 game cushion right now on a playoff spot…..so they can afford Hughes more time if they belief there is a chance he finds his form…..Nova deseres to stay on merit though and that’s the tough part.

  37. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Ideally, we are auditioning 3 starters for a potential 4th game start in the playoffs.
    That is depth.
    Thank goodness we didn’t have to mortgage the farm for a Harden or a Bedard.
    That is desperation.

  38. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I got frozen yogurt with mochis to mourn the loss of Uehara

    Jerkface-
    Mine was with fruit to celebrate keeping Montero!!

  39. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    “I hope you’re right….just what I’ve seen so far though is a guy that can’t sustain his velo past the first couple innings and a guy that has no pitch to go to get the hitter out…..I’ve said many times that I still believe in hughes long term and I do…..its just getting “late early” this year.”

    _______________________________________

    I feel you Blake.

    Admittedly, I’m quite biased in Hughes’s favor.

    But think about it. Does Nova really have an “out” pitch himself?

    I don’t think Nova gives them any more of a chance to win a championship this season than Hughes does. And getting Hughes his reps this year, whether he’s able to become a viable postseason option (in the best case scenario) or build confidence and strength towards next year (best worst case scenario) is far, far more important to the Yankees franchise than getting Nova starts at the MLB level right now.

    Next year, the team probably will have a decision to make re: Nova, when it comes down to deciding whether to bring back a veteran like Freddy or stick with Ivan long term.

    I don’t see any decision that pits Phil Hughes against Ivan Nova (and that ultimately subtracts Hughes) as being whatsoever beneficial to this team both in the short and long term.

  40. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    I went with the peanut butter banana ice cream.

    I just like it.

  41. RhapsodyInBlue July 31st, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    I drove by all the popular ice cream spots tonight looking at the lines, not stopping trying to lose a few pounds for an upcoming wedding.

    Actually I don’t wan’t to buy a new suit.

    But I had the ice cream craving tonight.

    Celebrating keeping all our kids.

  42. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Right now Hughes and Nova are competing for the 5th starter job.
    Next year they will pick up a FA pitcher.
    Do the math…

  43. m1kew July 31st, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I think the Yankees can try something different … 6 men in a 5 man rotation:

    Sabathia
    Garcia for ~80 pitches/Colon for ~ 80 pitches
    AJ
    Hughes
    Nova

    On the surface a rotation like this appears to need an addtional pitcher but I think the day that Garcia/Colon pitches will be a day of rest for the BP as each has shown they can throw 80 pitches and be reasonably effective. This plan puts less stress on Garcia and Colon, gives Hughes and Garcia chances to get stronger and keep Sabathia and AJ on a 5 day rotation.

    By the end of August the Yankees should be able to know which of their 6 starters can be productive for them down the stretch. I do not think this plan means they need an additonal BP arm as both Colon and Garcia have each needed relief. The problem is not with using Garcia and Colon on the same day. The problem is with relying on Hughes and Nova but the Yankees need to get them ready for the psot season and this plan seems to move in that direction while keeping Colon and Garcia as fresh as possible.

  44. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....ward-31913
    —————————————-
    G-C and Blake-

    Maybe the attached article written July 17th from The Yankee Analysts website, will help you in deciding which pitcher Hughes or Nova based on their preseason projections how they are rated going forward from July onward.

    Jerkface- Feel free to comment whether you agree or disagree with the article.

  45. mick July 31st, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Nova’s FB is miles ahead of Phil’s and his CB makes Hughes look like a lollypop.
    There is no comparison.
    Phil came in out of shape, wasn’t as hungry as Nova.
    ST was 6 months ago.

  46. David July 31st, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Why do people keep saying Hughes has a higher ceiling?

    From what I’ve read, Nova throws harder and keeps the ball down, and can maintain his velocity through the game better than Hughes.

    I know Nova doesn’t have the gaudy minor league stat history that Hughes does, but that doesn’t mean much once your in the majors, and if Nova can continue developing a cutter/slider to get the strikeouts, seems he’s got the better future. (?) Can someone elaborate?

  47. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    I went with the peanut butter banana ice cream.

    I just like it.
    ——————-

    Peanut butter, banana, and chocolate is the best combo IMO. The BLT Prime/Steak restaurants have quite possibly the best dessert on the planet that has those things (ok maybe that’s a bit of an exaggeration :D )

    Peanut butter moouse covered in a chocolate shell with a scoop of banana ice cream on top. It’s better than any of the steaks they serve there.

    Ok, I’m done dreaming about that dessert. Back to baseball. :P

  48. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    “But think about it. Does Nova really have an “out” pitch himself?”

    yea I mean I think his slider and curveball are both better than any secondary pitch Hughes currently has and his changeup might be as well. Also…he generates a lot of groundballs whereas Hughes generates a lot of flyballs…..if Hughes is beating guys with the fastball then he also gets a lot of pop ups and it kinda evens out….but if he’s not then he has trouble with that fly ball rate.

  49. Jacob Ruppert July 31st, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Where is betsy or her parents called a shmuck? Was a post deleted?

  50. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    And getting Hughes his reps this year, whether he’s able to become a viable postseason option (in the best case scenario) or build confidence and strength towards next year (best worst case scenario) is far, far more important to the Yankeesfranchise than getting Nova starts at the MLB level right nownl

    ———————————

    No disrespect but you can’t be serious.

  51. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Trader,

    I don’t know what any of that stuff means in that article :)

  52. mick July 31st, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    paranoia strikes deep,
    into your heart it will creep,
    it starts when you’re always afraid.

  53. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Dammit. I slipped up. Now Nick is going to find a way to make fun of me for that post.

  54. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:59 pm
    Trader,

    I don’t know what any of that stuff means in that article
    ————————–
    Either do i, that’s why I asked Jerkface to include his 2 cents and others are welcome too, to help decide if Nova vs Hughes -which one projects to be better the 2nd half. Attached again:

    http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/.....ward-31913

  55. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Personally Blake the article only looks at stats and not the pitcher’s confidence or demeanor when pitching, something Hughes is currently lacking.

  56. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Yea LGY and JF can decipher sabermetics…..

  57. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    My eyes tell me that Sabathia is really good…..

  58. mick July 31st, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    blake

    You don’t need a weatherman,
    To tell which way the wind blows.

  59. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    ZiPS is just a projection system based on the player and historical data.

    The article is showing the ZiPS projection coming into the 2011 season, how the player has actually performed so far this season, and how ZiPS projects their performance for the rest of the season.

    With the state that Hughes is in, it basically means nothing at this point and with young players in general it is much less meaningful than veterans who have basically set a standard of performance.

  60. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Ivan Nova ERA+ 104

    Michael Pineda ERA+ 105.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    “Cashman also praised the improvement in A.J. Burnett.”

    Lowwwww expectations.

  62. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    LGY-

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  63. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:08 pm
    My eyes tell me that Sabathia is really good…..
    ——————————-
    And that Colon is our #2.

  64. Nick in SF July 31st, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    God willing, this will be my last LoHud comment using creaky, failing Blackberry technology.

    If my scheme to get the Motorola Photon 4G for free is successful, rest assured, make no mistake, and mark my works, I will be celebrating with premium gelato tonight.

  65. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Hughes’s fastball, when he’s right, is one of the best five pitches in the entire major leagues.

    Its explosive and he commands it to both sides of the plate.

    He’s not “right” right now, obviously.

    But to suggest that Nova has half of Hughes’s potential is just absolutely not true.

  66. D-Man July 31st, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    “I don’t see any decision that pits Phil Hughes against Ivan Nova (and that ultimately subtracts Hughes) as being whatsoever beneficial to this team both in the short and long term.”

    It doesn’t tell you anything that Cash offered Hughes for Jimenez (without a physical, no less) and kept Nova off-limits?

  67. Jerkface July 31st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    ZIPS projections just use historical data to project a player based on age and prior performance. It doesn’t include if Hughes fastball sucks or he is using a new curve or nova’s lack of deception etc. Those things would be included tiny as factors which led to the statistics shoved into the projection.

    I think Hughes still has more upside than Nova so I want him in the rotation for now. I trust Garcia to be solid and Colon to be above average to great at times.

  68. Eroc July 31st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    At some point, Phil has to actually do it rather than live off his 2006 scouting reports. These are the Yankees… he has already been given more rope than most prospects ever will. Time is running out. Hell, he might not even keep his rotation spot this year. Girardi clearly implied there is a competition.

    Time to stop speaking about Hughes in hyperbolic terms and look at his results.

  69. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    Any projection system right now is going have Hughes performing better for the rest of the season than Nova for a few reasons.

    Hughes has a track record of successful performance in the big leagues while Nova thus far has out-pitched his peripherals.

    But any statistical evaluation can’t possibly take into account Hughes’ arm trouble, decreased velocity, etc that is happening right now. This decision to go with Hughes or Nova is really going to have to made without the stats.

    Hughes I am really concerned about what he has got in the tank right now and if he is actually going to improve his arm strength at all.

    And even though Nova is pitching better than his peripheral numbers would suggest it does seem like he’s improving and trying to incorporate more swing and miss pitches into his repertoire (also Tom’s post comparing the ERA+ of Nova and Pineda is awesome!)

  70. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    # G-C July 31st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Hughes’s fastball, when he’s right, is one of the best five pitches in the entire major leagues.

    Its explosive and he commands it to both sides of the plate.

    He’s not “right” right now, obviously.

    But to suggest that Nova has half of Hughes’s potential is just absolutely not true.

    —————————————————-

    True but is Hughes at the point where we have to lower our expectations. Is his career over no but there is no guarantee that he can still fulfill his potential.

  71. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    “It doesn’t tell you anything that Cash offered Hughes for Jimenez (without a physical, no less) and kept Nova off-limits?”

    That’s nonsense.

    You don’t think Cashman would have traded Nova straight up for Jimenez?

    And how do you have any inkling that Hughes was offered for Jimenez?

    Unless you’re involved intimately in either organization (and forgive me if you are) there wasn’t anything reported to that degree.

  72. G. Love July 31st, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    blake,

    I’m done being nice. It’s a chore treating her with kid gloves. I’ve done enough of it and I’m tired of it.

    If the resident Phil Hughes obsessed “fan” can’t handle any kind of humor and chooses to lash out at me like a deranged tulip then we’re done conversing.

    As for her parents, I can assure her majesty they weren’t the schmucks I was referring to.

    The trolls aren’t the only one’s leading the good posters away from this community.

  73. yanks 27 July 31st, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    The fact that Hughes is even compared to Nova now shows how much he has fallen. The guy was supposed to be a mainstay in the rotation, a legit frontline starter. He is now in competition with a guy whose upside is a middle/back end guy in the AL. The organization feels the same way obviously, considering Cash put like 7 guys off-limits in the Ubalo trade and tried to center a deal around Hughes

  74. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    JF and LGY-
    Thanks again. Per the mlb schedule Hughes next start is Tusday night against the WS and John Danks

  75. yanks 27 July 31st, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    “You don’t think Cashman would have traded Nova straight up for Jimenez?”

    Well, according to all the guys in the know, Cash offered a Hughes-led package and made Nova untouchable.

    Why is that so hard to believe?

  76. m July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    I did a search last night and just now for Hughes/Ubaldo rumors and only found only the mlbtraderumors mention of Sherman’s tweet.

  77. Abomb82 July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    The Os are a considerably better offense than Seattle. They are ranked at least 10 spots higher in every key category.

  78. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Yanks on cruise control to postseason, but lose in the first or second round.

    Two years in a row they can’t get a game-changer done. Rotation for 2012 a complete mystery. I’m fairly depressed right now.

  79. alvarofer July 31st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    The Yankees have a better pitcher than AJ and Hughes and he is called Hector Noesi. Somehow he keeps on getting ignored …

  80. m July 31st, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Noesi has Colon, Garcia, AJ, Hughes, AND Nova ahead of him. And he’s contributing in the majors.

    Hard to accept the argument that he’s continually being ignored.

  81. j9d July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Good non move by the Yankees. Given what was out there, I will take going into the postseason as underdogs with a nice looking next few seasons.

  82. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    “I will take going into the postseason as underdogs with a nice looking next few seasons.”

    I think next season looks pretty bad.

  83. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I think next season looks pretty bad.

    —————————

    Based on what?

  84. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    GC, why is it more important that Phil develop than Nova? Nova is better – at least right now – and at this point I believe he’ll keep the team in more games. Hughes has a lot of things to work on that he can’t be doing at the major league level.

  85. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Wave,

    Hopefully CJ Wilson is not one of the answers to that mystery.

  86. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “Based on what?”

    Starting pitching, SS, C, aging at 3B and 1B.

  87. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    D-Man, that says a lot………and even if he has a good FB, that’s simply not enough to succeed up here.

  88. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    “Hopefully CJ Wilson is not one of the answers to that mystery.”

    I predict a bidding war between the Yanks and Rangers.

  89. BoJo July 31st, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:26 pm
    I’ve got Funky Pretzle goldmine ice cream – yum……..vanilla ice cream with chocolate covered pretzels and caramel. Nothing better……
    ___
    Have to disagree. Chocolate ice cream with peanut butter swirl… addictive.

  90. Jerkface July 31st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I don’t like CJ Wilson, can’t trust anyone that doesn’t drink whiskey.

  91. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    The upside and ceiling people speak of re: Hughes is based on his minor league record, but that’s a long time ago at this point. Nova has clearly improved and Phil has regressed. Phil can’t hold onto his secondary pitches while Nova has several. Nova also has better stuff and throws quite a bit harder. I’m not saying that with work Phil can’t be a solid pitcher, but he has a long way to go.

  92. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I predict a bidding war between the Yanks and Rangers.

    —————-

    I’m still holding out hope for a trade this winter.

  93. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Bojo, that sounds “eh”. I’m not a chocolate/peanut butter fan – I’ve loved pretzels in ice cream since I was a kid. I used to take Rold Golds and add them to my bowls of ice cream……that salty/smooth combo was so good, lol.

  94. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    “I’m still holding out hope for a trade this winter.”

    I’m beginning to think it won’t happen.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Congratulations on Betsy’s 3,001st I hate Hughes post.

  96. BoJo July 31st, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    The only 2 players moved that were interesting to me were Beltran and Fister…

    I still think Cash should pick up a bat before Aug 31…I suspect Matsui and Melky will be available thru waivers.

    Whether it be Texas, Detroit, Boston, or Philly, the opponent line-ups are going to be stacked and difficult for any pitcher to hold down. We need to make sure we have enough offense to get over the streak y play of Tex, Swish, and others in the play-offs. Matsui or Melky and Montero are definitely needed. This year–offense will be key to success.

    If Banny was promoted, Betances should have been as well. An arm like that might also help in play-offs if he shows command in AAA.

  97. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Nova may not be just a back-end starter – he could be at least a middle of the rotation guy. I don’t think Hughes has any rope with this team anymore – showing up out of shape was inexcusable and didn’t do him any favors. Nova is well-regarded by the organization for numerous reasons and Phil just hasn’t made any progress in the arears where he is/was deficient.

  98. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    # Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “Based on what?”

    Starting pitching, SS, C, aging at 3B and 1B.

    ——————————

    Hopefully C will be a tandem of Jesus and Marin, Jeter will be another yr older but Nunez has proved he can play on this level andA-rod’s injuries are a concern but he can still hit. The most troubling thing about Tex is his pro long slump..but he still provides power. Starting pitching is a concern it will be interesting to see what comes up.

  99. BoJo July 31st, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:02 pm
    Bojo, that sounds “eh”. I’m not a chocolate/peanut butter fan – I’ve loved pretzels in ice cream since I was a kid. I used to take Rold Golds and add them to my bowls of ice cream……that salty/smooth combo was so good, lol.
    ___
    Lately, I’ve been liking Walgreens Vanilla Strawberry…go figure.

  100. m July 31st, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Hughes showed up to camp out of shape?!

  101. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    M, he was sent to a fat farm along with Joba

  102. BoJo July 31st, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I wonder if any one inquired about the availability of AJ Burnett…

  103. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I’m beginning to think it won’t happen.

    —————-

    Probably not, but I really don’t want to have to root for CJ Wilson so I gotta keep the hope alive.

  104. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Against All Odds-

    Nunez is nothing special. And I’m sure not convinced about his glove. I don’t think Montero’s future is at C. ARod is now a constant injury concern. The 2012 rotation has one guy in it I feel good about.

    On the other hand, it could all work out somehow. :)

  105. m July 31st, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    I know, Betsy. I was just subtly trying to let you know that you’re repeating yourself. ;)

    But the fact that he went with Joba IS news.

  106. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    LGY-

    It just really irks me that the Sox got Bedard.

  107. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks for advising me of that, M – not that any of us haven’t said the same things over and over again – just me.

  108. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I expect the Yanks to check in to Wilson but I expect the Rangers to be much more aggressive there.

    There don’t be many pitchers available this winter but there will be several good starters going in to the final year of their contracts……might be some teams try to move them this winter…..though Weaver and Hamels probably not….Danks maybe.

  109. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    # Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Against All Odds-

    Nunez is nothing special. And I’m sure not convinced about his glove. I don’t think Montero’s future is at C. ARod is now a constant injury concern. The 2012 rotation has one guy in it I feel good about.

    On the other hand, it could all work out somehow. :)

    ————————————–

    It could all work out trust me I’m not saying everything is perfect but it’s not as bad as ppl make it out to be. I remember fans predicting doom for the team this season.

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    3,002

  111. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    “Thanks for advising me of that, M – not that any of us haven’t said the same things over and over again – just me.”

    I never say the same thing twice.

    I always rephrase it slightly differently. :)

  112. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    The Sox were going to add a starter…..better Bedard than someone good.

  113. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Wave,

    I have to admit that I was not thrilled to see the Sox get Bedard. I would have liked the Yankees to trade for him. He pitched extremely well in May and June after a slow start. I was much happier when they acquired Harden last night.

    Never root for injuries but I am hoping Bedard does not get back to his May/June form.

  114. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    blake-

    I would have loved for the Yanks to get Bedard. He could make the difference in a series against the Sox.

  115. BoJo July 31st, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Dpn’t underestimate Bedard. When healthy, he was one of the best pitchers in baseball. Before he gets injured again, I expect him to give Boston 6 of the greatest innings EVER pitched.

  116. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    The Yankees have a better shot against Bedard than Harden if they both were to.stay healthy…..they crush lefties and Harden is the sort of guy that can give them problems…..

  117. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “I would have loved for the Yanks to get Bedard. He could make the difference in a series against the Sox.”

    Yea for either side…..

  118. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    blake-

    I was glad the Sox didn’t get Harden, I’m with you there.

  119. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    The Sox adding Bedard tells me they are dubious about Bucholz coming back. If we are worried that this move puts them over the top, our Yankees must be a lot worse than anyone thinks. Bedard is mediocre at this point, nothing more, if he can stay healthy.

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  121. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    I doubt Harden would have stayed healthy…..because he never does……but he’s a guy that can shut a team down and especially the Yanks who tend to struggle with pitchers like him sometimes. They really hit lefties well…..even good ones so Bedard….even by the off chance he stays healthy doesn’t worry me too much……

  122. Mell July 31st, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Bedard is mediocre at this point, nothing more, if he can stay healthy.

    ===================================

    Mediocred his way to a 1.77 ERA over 2 months (10 starts) prior to going on the DL. He was pitching quite well. If he’s healthy, he’ll be a helpful pitcher for them.

  123. Jacob Ruppert July 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Betsy has accomplished the impossible. 3000 posts about the same person. Betsy3K. B3K. Where can I pick up my B3K tshirt?

  124. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Wave

    On the other hand I’m not that upset that the Sox improved their team.

    To be honest if winning the division means facing Verlander and Miggy in a five game series, I will gladly concede the Al East to the Sox.

  125. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Bedard shuts lefties down. If we got him he could have pitched twice against the Sox in a 7 game series. It would have been a big, big plus.

    Assuming, of course, that Bedard can make it to the post-season without getting hurt.

  126. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    “Bedard shuts lefties down. If we got him he could have pitched twice against the Sox in a 7 game series. It would have been a big, big plus.”

    or he could get hurt and not even be in their rotation or be ineffective all together….he’s no sure thing….he’s a flyer to give them more options than Miller/Aceves/Wakefield and Lackey…..the real news of this move is that it seems they don’t feel too good about Buccholtz’s injury

  127. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Bedard hasn’t pitched a full season since 2007. Yet he is better than Colon, how? At least Bartolo won a Cy Young award. Bedard is not a great pitcher, period.

  128. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Yea facing Verlander twice in a 5 game series doesn’t sound fun…..thought facing CC twice in a 5 game series probably doesn’t either right now…..I’d love to see those 2 in the same rotation….that’s all you’d need…

  129. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Bedard is effective when he can stay on the field…..the Sox could catch lightning in a bottle there…who knows but they had more need for that type of move than the Yankees did.

  130. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Hughes may have been, as Cashman conceded, “a little out of shape,” but he also showed up early to spring training, ready to work and anxious to improve upon his second half of last season.

    I seem to also remember a couple of seasons ago, Hughes being praised for his off-season workouts at some facility out west (the name escapes me right now).

    My point is, the constant reference to Phil going to the “Fat Farm” is meant to denigrate him and make it seem like he is lazy and not working hard enough. I did some googling. Seems only Joel Sherman was on this story, and only Joel Sherman has ever accused Phil Hughes of having a poor work ethic.

    Sometimes things don’t smoothly for these young pitchers. Time will tell if Hughes can put things back together. But it’s ridiculous to keep making it sound like he’s been a “bad boy” because he’s not quite met expectations, at least not for long enough. The beginning of 2010 was not a mirage.

    None other than Verlander had a positively crappy year one year after having a stellar one in which his innings pitched went up a lot. It would seem he didn’t forget how to pitch or lose his talent. I am not saying Hughes is Verlander in any way shape or form, other than they both have ML talent and both have had their troubles. Perhaps, just perhaps, we can give Phil Hughes a break here.

    And if he never regains his form, I guarantee you he didn’t do it on purpose to disappoint overzealous fans.

  131. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    blake-

    I am more upset that the Yanks didn’t get him than that the Sox got him. Sure he’s a risk but against a left-handed hitting team Bedard is excellent. I think current Red Sox hitters have like a .528 OPS against him.

    Oh well, such is life.

  132. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Villa Nova-

    Phil went to the Athlete’s Performance Institute (API).

  133. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    MTU -

    Thank you. I thought it started with an “A” but couldn’t remember the entire name of the facility.

  134. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    widely panned 1st round pick dante jr is leading the GCL in OBP (.473) and is 2nd in OPS (1.037) so far. It’s the GCL and a lot of the good players haven’t signed yet….but still that’s impressive. We’ll probably see a little bit more what kind of hitter he is next year but he’s off to a very good start.

  135. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    VN-

    My pleasure.

  136. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Wave,

    the Mariners probably would have asked for Montero for Bedard….

  137. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Blake-

    Bichette Jr.

    All about the Wranglers.

    ;)

  138. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    “the Mariners probably would have asked for Montero for Bedard….”

    blake-

    Perhaps since the Yanks didn’t deal him they may now actually use him…

    But my guess is he stays in Scranton. The Yanks move in mysterious ways.

    I’m checking out. Catch you later.

  139. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Vaya con Dios Wave.

    Buenas noches.

    Got to hit the tarils again tomorrow so I’ll say my good byes too.

    Have a good evening.

  140. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    edit: trails

  141. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Cashman just read Blake’s post re Dante Jr. He is now calling all GM’s to let them know Dante Jr is untouchable.

  142. blake July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    “Cashman just read Blake’s post re Dante Jr. He is now calling all GM’s to let them know Dante Jr is untouchable.”

    lol…..untouchable and Scranton purgatory bound in a couple of years.

  143. Nick in SF July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    It’s pretty stunning if O’Dowd really wanted Montero, Betances, Banuelos, and Nova for a sugar-coated Satan sandwich.

  144. m August 1st, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Starks with his winners and losers of the TDL. Of course he panned us for not making a move.

    Idiot. Seriously, you gonna make a move for the sake of making a move? The “winners” made moves because they had major holes to fill.

    We didn’t because we have good players, and the inventory in our farm system to help us.

    We have Nova to fall back on. Nova is a known factor, the pitchers available? The available SP? Not so

  145. m August 1st, 2011 at 12:22 am

    much.

  146. hardwired7 August 1st, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Almost any move Cashman made probably would have been panned.

    That’s just the way it goes…doom and gloom sells.

  147. stuart a August 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    the writes love teams making moves. keeps them busy. also most of these guys treat prospects like they are martians.

    i bet of all the professional baseball writers in NY no more then 2 have seen 2 or more SWB or Trenton games this year.

    they never see the rpospects play and quote unnamed sources for every article that evaluates minor league talent.

  148. stuart a August 1st, 2011 at 12:47 am

    the mariners should have traded king felix. it would have made them good much sooner..

    the yanks would have opened th ecupboards for the king. it would have been a win win.

    seattle’s offense is so bad it is scary… the ycould have gotten manbam, nova, montero, and something else…. that would have been 4 guys on there roster within 1 year… instead they get to continue to use olivo and bard at catcher, the 2 big studs in the rotation and then slop, and just not enough athletes…..

  149. I Am Winning August 1st, 2011 at 1:18 am

    I seriously don’t understand how Ivan always tends to keep us in the game, and how he gets the out just at the right time.

    He gives us a good amount of home-runs, he gives up a good amount of walks, opposing players have gotten a lot of hits off of him, half the strikeouts than innings pitched, amounting in an awful 1.44 WHIP but a very respectable 4.01 ERA and a great 9-4 record in 18 games, and 17 started. All of this out of one of the youngest guys in the majors.

    I just don’t get it.

  150. I Am Winning August 1st, 2011 at 1:23 am

    staurt a,

    How would trading Felix help the Mariners “much sooner?” They wouldn’t trade him for a big name hitter because they can’t afford it. They would trade him for half a dozen high-ceiling minor league players that wouldn’t help for several years to come. Felix is good RIGHT NOW. He can help the team more than anything the Mariners could trade for. If it weren’t for him they would have 10+ more loses and 10+ less wins.

    I understand you want him, but don’t try justifying why it would help the Mariners simply because he would absolutely help the Yankees. I want him, so does every single other team in baseball. The Mariners are wise to keep him.

  151. m August 1st, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Nova has gotten over his bugaboo, which was freaking out when players reached base.

    He’s a groundball pitcher with a good team playing behind him.

    He’s growing up before our eyes.

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  152. Ghostwriter August 1st, 2011 at 1:29 am

    m August 1st, 2011 at 12:21 am

    Starks with his winners and losers of the TDL. Of course he panned us for not making a move.

    Idiot. Seriously, you gonna make a move for the sake of making a move? The “winners” made moves because they had major holes to fill.

    We didn’t because we have good players, and the inventory in our farm system to help us.

    We have Nova to fall back on. Nova is a known factor, the pitchers available? The available SP? Not so
    ==================

    Agreed. I don’t understand that unnamed scout that he mentioned in the article. I don’t see why he had such a gloomy outlook for the Yanks. Even if he is right that our rotation is CC and 4 not CC, then what does trading for a pitcher accomplish for the Yanks? By their accounting, we would be still short about 2 starting pitchers.

  153. m August 1st, 2011 at 1:29 am

    I am Winning,

    Those stats and peripherals? Sounds like Wang when he was with us.

  154. I Am Winning August 1st, 2011 at 1:53 am

    To a certain extent that was like Wang.

    Wang had that sinker which people would simply nub through the infielders for hits, therefor he would indeed give up a lot of hits, and raise his WHIP. He would also get a lot of double plays because of that. He also never gave up too many homers or walked too many people.

    I was never nervous with Wang on the mound, even though all he had was the sinker that some teams would have 6 consecutive hits off of.

    I definitely want to see more of Nova.

  155. LGY August 1st, 2011 at 1:56 am

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    I remember one trade dead-line when the Yankees sent malaria and smallpox to the Indians in exchange for acres and acres of land.54 minutes ago via web

  156. pft2 August 1st, 2011 at 1:58 am

    Red Sox may have a playoff rotation of Lester, Beckett and Bedard (if healthy he is #2 quality) which beats CC, Colon and (pick one Garcia, AJ, Hughes, Nova).

    IMO, none of the last choices for # 3 would do well in the playoffs against good hitting teams, and CC has struggled against Texas and Boston this year.

    Red Sox gave up a lot for a 2 month rental with questionable health, but what they gave up was at positions they had plenty of depth. It may well be that Bedard does not pitch well the rest of the season. If thats true, given the concerns over Buchholz, Lackeys balky elbow, and the fact Beckett has not been effective in September/October since 2007, they would not have anything better than what the Yankees could put out there.

    This might be what Cashman is hanging his hat on. That and A-Rod being able to return hitting for power, and perhaps Cano recovering his plate discipline from 2010. Maybe the dice come up his way. If not, Girardi won’t have to worry about where to play Posada to get his bat in the lineup at NL parks. LOL.

  157. jacksquat August 1st, 2011 at 1:58 am

    The M’s could have gotten a truckload of top prospects/young major leaguers, then if/when they contended they’d have that 19+ mil to pick up an ace if necessary.

    great prospects + ace > ace.

  158. CompassRosy August 1st, 2011 at 2:08 am

    I Am Winning August 1st, 2011 at 1:23 am

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  159. Nick in SF August 1st, 2011 at 2:12 am

    Gelato is so rich, powerful, and excellent, it’s like the Yankees of delicious cold desserts

  160. West Coast Yankee Fan August 1st, 2011 at 2:38 am

    Gelato is a weak, pansy desert admired by Sux fans.

    Love, Haagen Daz Coffee

  161. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 3:11 am

    Red Sox idea of a dessert is a car bomb.

  162. Nick in SF August 1st, 2011 at 3:25 am

    “Gelato is a weak, pansy desert admired by Sux fans.”

    That kind of comment is better made between friends.

  163. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 3:41 am

    Well the Premier Roster in baseball shouldn’t go out and lay an egg against the Sox this week. Given they are 1-8 so far this year in matchups they should start winning against their prime competitor.

  164. lounge lizard August 1st, 2011 at 3:44 am

    I seriously don?t understand how Ivan always tends to keep us in the game, and how he gets the out just at the right time.

    He gives us a good amount of home-runs, he gives up a good amount of walks, opposing players have gotten a lot of hits off of him, half the strikeouts than innings pitched, amounting in an awful 1.44 WHIP but a very respectable 4.01 ERA and a great 9-4 record in 18 games, and 17 started. All of this out of one of the youngest guys in the majors.

    I just don?t get it.

    ___________________________________________________

    That’s a very good question. And the answer mostly comes down to the one element you are missing from all of the stats you mention: the number of (non-homer) extra base hits.

    Before today, Freddy Garcia had pitched 113 innings and given up 37 doubles and triples combined. Nova had pitched 98 innings and given up just 22.

    So while Nova’s WHIP doesn’t look good, his OPS-against (which captures all on base and slugging factors, not just homers) was actually slightly better than Freddy’s (.733 to .740). Again, before Freddy’s performance today, which probably has them about equal.

  165. PacoDooley August 1st, 2011 at 4:08 am

    Regarding the trade deadline, the Yankees have to feel like they made their impact acquisitions without giving anything up. They recently added Hughes to a team that was winning, plus Chavez. They will get A-Rod back in a few weeks, and that is a bigger acquisition than pretty much anyone will make during the waiver-trade period. Finally, at the trade deadline they added a great starter in Nova. Other teams would love to be adding that much talent – the key is staying healthy so that they can add rather than swap players to the DL.

  166. Vineyard Yankee August 1st, 2011 at 5:15 am

    It’s really too bad that Cashman wasn’t in on Pence. Could have had him for peanuts and he would have been a nice addition to the OF / DH rotation which would have made Jones expendable.

  167. Ghostwriter August 1st, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Despite some of the complaints on this forum, the Yanks had a productive July, winning 16 against 11 losses. With A-Rod out of the lineup, the Yanks are 13 and 7. Now, we have Chavez and Soriano back, with only about 2 weeks, or so, until A-Rod returns. Things look like they are shaping up quite nicely for the Yanks, heading into the stretch.

    BTW, the Starks of the world, who declared the Yanks the losers of the trade deadline, may want to take note of the fact that the last time that the Yanks stood pat at the TD in 1999, they won the orld Series.

  168. blake August 1st, 2011 at 7:17 am

    I’ve been saying all year that the Yanks didn’t need to trade their top young players for marginal upgrades ……..they kept Montero,.Banuelos, Betances, and Nova so that’s a winner to me. No trade is always better than bad trade

  169. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 7:29 am

    well played, cash. if there’s nothing available at a reasonable cost that upgrades the team, you pass, dont make a trade just because the red socks made a trade. cash will pick up some talent that clears waivers next month.

    the king felix fantasy will not die with some people on here. give it up.

  170. blake August 1st, 2011 at 7:31 am

    I also wanted to take this time to commend Buck Showalter for his fine work in turning the Orioles around……only 23.5 games out of first with the attitude of a playoff contender. Nobody pushes them around…….

  171. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Rodriguez starts baseball activites this week and could be back by around the 10th of August.

  172. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 7:36 am

    i was all over that this year blake, i said during ST that they already got the bump from buck last year and this year their lack of talent, especially pitching talent would kill them. a good manager cant win without players. but most people wanted to believe that guys like matuzs and tillman were going to improve them. they picked up 2 guys who were clearly done in d lee and vlad and fantasized about contending. the orioles who were our biggest enemy until about 1998 are a dead franchise right now. i cry no tears for them.

  173. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 7:42 am

    That is good news GB

    The Os are a bunch of punks in my book. They are always hitting our guys, especially Jeter. They did the same to the red sox. Their motto seems to be “if you can’t beat them, hit them”

  174. blake August 1st, 2011 at 7:44 am

    The Orioles biggest problem is that their prospects are busting like crazy……Wieters is a good player ….good defender but he was hyped up as a can’t miss bat and Matuz is lost apparently. The Yanks scored 12 runs in the first inning off Britton (though I still think he will be good).

    But yea…..a manager can only do so.much…..you need players to win…..I just can’t stand Bucks’s attitude…..they want respect before they’ve earned it.

  175. blake August 1st, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Getting Alex back in the middle of the lineup will be huge.

  176. blake August 1st, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Jack Curry of the YES Network hears that the Yankees wanted a shoulder MRI for Ubaldo Jimenez, but the Rockies declined (Twitter link).

    So it wasn’t a routine physical the Yanks requested.

  177. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    I simply can’t believe we made no moves. Reminds me of the winter. This is a good, but not a championship pitching staff, and we really also needed a bat that could give us a decent off the bench or DH. Guys are old and they are going to break down as the innings mount, Hughes and AJ present alot more questions then answers right now.

  178. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    From NY Post Joel Sherman. More Cashman quotes why the Yankees made no trades:

    Do the Yankees have an obvious No. 2 starter for the postseason? No, they do not. But the Yankees saw the Rangers win the AL title last year with a rotation much like they have now of an unquestioned ace (Cliff Lee/CC Sabathia) and then a lot of question marks. Can Bartolo Colon or Freddy Garcia or Nova do for one series what Colby Lewis did by dominating the Yankees in the ALCS last year?

    The Yankees will have to hope so because the biggest issue was that there was no one clearly better available. The best was Jimenez. And the Yanks asked this question internally: If there were a Division Series Game 2 that had to be won tomorrow, would the team feel more comfortable with Bartolo Colon or Jimenez? It was not: “Who do you want for the next three years?” It was simply: “Who do you feel most confident about right now?” The answer all around the table was Colon.

    “I was not going to make a move because we are the Yanks and we are expected to make a move. It had to make sense and nothing made sense to us.”

  179. jpb173 August 1st, 2011 at 7:57 am

    I hope that the Yankees don’t screw up Manny Banuelos like they did Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes. Neither Joba nor Hughes were allowed to stay in the minors long enough to get 150 innings in a single season. As a result both of them had to endure the “Joba rules” which retarded their development. Both have been paying for that mistake ever since they were put into a major league rotation without building endurance in the minors.

    In Banuelos case he needs to reach 130 innings this season and 150-155 innings next season to be ready for a 2013 callup. The appendectomy he had last year slowed him down by one full season as he had gotten to 109 innings in 2009.

  180. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:06 am

    1.Oakland 2. LA 3. NYY 4. Seattle 5.Tampa Bay

    1. San Francisco 2.Philadelphia 3. San Diego 4. Atlanta 5.Pittsburgh 6. NYY

    Pitching rankings by ERA. Yankees have best pitching by ERA of all contenders in AL, and would rank 4th in NL among current contenders

  181. Mell August 1st, 2011 at 8:08 am

    I simply can’t believe we made no moves.

    ============================

    What moves were to be made? It can reasonably argued that the Yankees one need was a true #2 starter. Wasn’t one out there to be had. If what you need isn’t on the market, does you no good to chase that which you don’t need.

  182. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Gary-

    Angels made no moves either and they are probably the one team that could challenge for a wild card spot.

    Included here the entire NY Post article for you:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....mUHgKqRM/1

  183. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Mell August 1st, 2011 at 8:08 am
    I simply can’t believe we made no moves.

    ============================

    What moves were to be made? It can reasonably argued that the Yankees one need was a true #2 starter. Wasn’t one out there to be had. If what you need isn’t on the market, does you no good to chase that which you don’t need.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Yanks wanted someone cheap, its the mode that Cash operates in right now. There were some good pitchers out there, but it’s a supply and demand thing. Lots of demand and short supply and clubs aren’t going to give away star players. Also our DH is a joke, tired of seeing him taking pitches and then striking out or hitting into a DP. He should have retired last year. I am going to cringe everytime now when Colon ruins over to cover first. To me the Yanks need to prove this week that they are a championship club by beating Boston.

  184. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:16 am

    ill go to war with what we have, bring on those socks, time to start evening things up!

    Lets Go Yankees!!!

  185. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am

    I agree w/ Cashman. Nothing out there better than what the Yankees currently have, and nothing worth giving up our good prospects for.

  186. Mell August 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am

    To me the Yanks need to prove this week that they are a championship club by beating Boston

    =============================

    That’s impossible. October is when you prove you are a championship club. Beating Boston in the 1st week of August means no more than Boston beating the Yankees in April, May and June or whenever they played.

    You may have a point on the DH, but I think going forth you might end up seeing a little less Posada and a little more Chavez and/or Montero.

  187. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Hughes pitches Tuesday facing John Danks. That outing could well determine whether he stays in the rotation, goes to the bullpen, or returns to the minors with the one option he has left.

  188. Betsy August 1st, 2011 at 8:22 am

    So they are either going to put Nova or Hughes in the pen? Dumb. Nova should be in the rotation and Hughes at AAA………..

  189. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Morning everyone.

    It’s Jorge Posada month. :)

  190. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am

    major props to the indians and pirates for going out and giving thier fans something to cheer about. both teams have started to see fans showing up at the ballpark and thier management gave them a reason to come out for the rest of the year. i dont know if they were baseball-wise moves, but when you have a shot at making the postseason after years of futility, you have to try something.

    im really really rooting for the bucs, no reason the prettiest ballpark in america should sit empty every night! Go Bucko’s

  191. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    ” I hope that the Yankees don’t screw up Manny Banuelos like they did Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes. ”

    Well im not one who thinks their situations are 100% on the Yankees……however I feel sure the have learned from how thy handled Joba. If they bring Manny up later and feel he can he’ll then fine……but put him right back in AAA to start next season and let him build his innings the right way.

  192. I Am Winning August 1st, 2011 at 8:26 am

    jpb173,

    The hell with innings cap entirely. The “Joba Rules” were specifically named after Joba to protect his precious arm, yet he still had to have TJ surgery. For the most part, if it all, those rules are garbage. One season you pitch 100 innings(which they are already designed to do). Another season you pitch 150, and in the majors you pitch 200. That is one year in the minors, maybe two, which is not very long. Now, that’s for a player that’s on the fact track to the majors of course.

  193. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    im really really rooting for the bucs, no reason the prettiest ballpark in america should sit empty every night! Go Bucko’s”

    Cosigned

  194. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    idk about you guys but the last time i remember phil in the pen he was helping us win a WS title. i’m fine with phil in the pen this year.

  195. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Mell August 1st, 2011 at 8:20 am
    To me the Yanks need to prove this week that they are a championship club by beating Boston

    =============================

    That’s impossible. October is when you prove you are a championship club. Beating Boston in the 1st week of August means no more than Boston beating the Yankees in April, May and June or whenever they played.

    You may have a point on the DH, but I think going forth you might end up seeing a little less Posada and a little more Chavez and/or Montero.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Respectfully, the Yanks are 1-8 against Boston this year, it’s the first of August and they have played 110 games this year. Boston is the frontrunner, if you can’t beat the frontrunner then you go play everybody else at their home park. Games in August do matter.

  196. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Erin August 1st, 2011 at 8:25 am
    Morning everyone.

    It’s Jorge Posada month.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I hope to sit on the bench

  197. Betsy August 1st, 2011 at 8:29 am

    That was 2 years ago – what does that have to do with today? Putting him in the pen is not going to transform him all of a sudden – he needs to keep starting.

  198. Mell August 1st, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Games in August do matter.

    ==================

    Sure. Same as games in April, May, June, July and September.

  199. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Here is a list of players I would have had interest in at the deadline :

    Ubaldo: price was too high and Colorado was acting shady about his medicals.

    Rasmus: was traded cheaply but it would have been difficult for the Yanks to match the big league help that the Cards got for now.

    Beltran: would have cost Betances to match the Giants offer

    Pence : would have cost more than Beltran likley.

    Adams: bullpen is pretty stout now without him.

    Thornton not sure he was available

    Danks: not available.

    Kuroda: marginal upgrade and wouldn’t leave LA

    Just not a lot of matches there and if the Yanks feel that their internal options are just as good without giving anything up then Im cool with that.

  200. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    what does a guy who was a very good reliever 2 years ago have to do with today…well he seems to be able to show velocity for about one or two innings. and he’s been a good reliever before….. am i missing something?

  201. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    The one pitcher that I was hoping the Yankees would get to shore up the bullpen, if Soriano going forward did not return to 2010 form, was Micheael Adams. He is murder on both lefties and righties and would have negated any need for another LOOGY!

    Texas gave up their 2nd best LHP [#5 prospect] in their system. The Padres would have asked for Banuelos. The Rangers also gave up righty Joe Wieland who had just pitched a no-hitter against the Padres minor league team.

    No reliever, save Rivera, would be worth giving up our two best prospects.

  202. Betsy August 1st, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Yeah, he has no life on his FB and can’t put hitters away. He’s not going to become a better pitcher just by being in the pen – I think he’s better off going to AAA.

  203. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Yanks are 1-8 against Boston and only 2 games back in the standings……they have been a better team than Boston against everyone else. Been sayin this all year but Boston’s WS chances are heavily dependent on Josh Beckett’s back holding up……even moreso now if Bucholtz can’t come back….which appears possible

  204. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    phil’s not going to help this team in scranton. i’d prefer he shows what he has in the pen first. if he’s got nothing, then you move him down. is ayala or wade that important that we cant try out a guy who helped us win a WS title out there?

  205. 86w183 August 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Adams would have been a great get, but as Yankee Trader points out it was not an area of need, especially if Soriano comes back to anything close to his best.

    Can’t believe the Yanks are still carrying 13 pitchers…. make a decision boys! Noesi should be sent down to go back to starting at Scranton. Hughes and Nova are both needed to start this week.

    Two years ago the Red Sawx dominated the Yanks in the first half of the season. This year’s 1-8 mark is no more meaningful than it was two years ago. That said, a winning road trip would certainly be welcomed.

  206. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 8:42 am

    The next 3 series will be interesting. While I wouldn’t say they were must win games at this point, the Yankees could gain some ground against the sox and angels if they play well.

  207. Betsy August 1st, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Ys Guy, another major reason I don’t think he should be in the pen is because he needs to pitch – he needs innings. The pen is fine without him, but if the Yankees still want him to be a starter for them, he has to work on pitches that he can’t do in the pen. Also, I don’t think the he’d be very good in the pen nor do I think the pen needs another arm – he’d just be a 6th inning guy.

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Joba should have been let loose on the rotation in 2010.

    The violence done by the myopic decision to end his tenure as a starter before it really began caused a chain of events & bad decisions that are still fighting to get out from under.

    One crucial way they can demonstrate they have “learned” from that mistake is to revisit Joba the Starter upon his return, & to send a pitcher down when his development necessitates it, instead of shuffling him off to the bullpen.

    Next season should be an interesting one for the rotation. Hughes may be going through that year after thing, & may be at full-strength next season. If we could have first-half 2010 Hughes back, that would be enormous. Nova will be ready to go; Noesi is in the mix as well. Manny & Dellin are going to be knocking on the door sooner than later. & who says we can’t think about re-signing old friend Andy Pettitte for insurance?? He wasn’t exactly falling apart when he left the game of baseball. It’s a shame that gem he pitched in the playoffs was wasted in a losing effort.

    We have options. & of course, we have CC :D.

  209. 86w183 August 1st, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Ys Guy —

    Don’t try being rational about Phil in the bullpen. Betsy knows far better and will not let facts get in the way.

  210. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:44 am

    same thing as the last time phil went to the pen… dont think he’ll be good at it, and we probably dont need him, he needs innings and starts…. how’d that work out?

  211. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Trader,

    Yea they would have asked for either Betances or Banuelos…..that seems to be the running theme….everyone asks for Montero, Betances, Banuelos or Nova. Not worth it if Soriano comes back ok……..

  212. pat August 1st, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Sorry if this isn’t new news and I’ve been out of the loop for the last 24 hours…

    craigcalcaterra Report: Clay Buchholz out for season with stress fracture hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/01/rep… via @HardballTalk

  213. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Blake-

    The Braves made perhaps the best trade of all in getting Michael Bourn for nothing. Jordan Schafer has never lived up to expectations.

    While not adding a power bat, he’s won two GG’s, leads NL in stolen bases the last 2 years and has improved his BA and OBP, and will make an ideal leadoff hitter for the Braves for at leat now and 2012, when he becomes a Boras FA.

    Wonder how he would look in pinstripes, moving Swisher to DH if the Yankees had traded for him???

  214. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    thanks, pat. YOu knew this season wasn’t going to end well for laptop.

  215. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:49 am

    pitchers get injured all the time. they get injured when you baby them, they get injured when you rush them, they get injured when they stay down or when they come up.

    prospects bust, they do it all the time. many many more prospects bust then make it.

    im sick of all this ‘they rushed him’, ‘they babied him’ crap. they are pitchers, you pitch them until they need surgery then if they get better, you pitch them again, thats baseball.

    if phil is just one tiny bit better than the last guy in the back of the bullpen, then you put him there. if you want him as a starter next year, you worry about that next year. right now he seems healthy and he can help us in the pen. if he cant help us in the pen, they you move him down and bring up the next guy.

  216. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Pat
    I think you are the 1st!

  217. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:50 am

    yt i think pence is the best pickup. he cost more but he’s worth it and they still didnt have to give up brown.

  218. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Tim Dierkes list of players who might be dealt, claimed or might clear waivers, from MLBTR’s:

    •Rays: Johnny Damon, Kelly Shoppach
    •Blue Jays: Aaron Hill, Mark Teahen, Frank Francisco, Rajai Davis, Trever Miller, John McDonald, Jose Molina, Brian Tallet
    •Orioles: Vladimir Guerrero, Mike Gonzalez, Kevin Gregg, Cesar Izturis, Mark Hendrickson
    •White Sox: Jake Peavy, Alex Rios, Adam Dunn, Juan Pierre, Omar Vizquel, Will Ohman, Ramon Castro
    •Twins: Joe Nathan, Carl Pavano, Matt Capps, Jason Kubel, Jim Thome, Kevin Slowey
    •Royals: Kyle Davies, Bruce Chen, Jeff Francis, Matt Treanor
    •Athletics: David DeJesus, Josh Willingham, Coco Crisp, Brian Fuentes, Hideki Matsui, Conor Jackson, Rich Harden
    •Mariners: Chone Figgins, Jack Wilson, Chris Ray, Jamey Wright, Adam Kennedy
    •Mets: Jason Bay, Ryota Igarashi, D.J. Carrasco, Scott Hairston, Tim Byrdak, Willie Harris, Jason Isringhausen
    •Marlins: Mike Cameron, Javier Vazquez, Omar Infante, Wes Helms, Greg Dobbs, DeWayne Wise
    •Nationals: Ivan Rodriguez, Jonny Gomes, Rick Ankiel, Todd Coffey, Livan Hernandez, Chien-Ming Wang, Laynce Nix
    •Reds: Francisco Cordero, Ramon Hernandez, Edgar Renteria, Miguel Cairo, Dontrelle Willis, Jeremy Hermida, Fred Lewis
    •Cubs: Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Zambrano, Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Pena, John Grabow, Rodrigo Lopez, Reed Johnson, Koyie Hill
    •Astros: Carlos Lee, Wandy Rodriguez, Brett Myers, Jason Michaels
    •Rockies: Aaron Cook, Huston Street, Mark Ellis, Rafael Betancourt, Ty Wigginton, Ian Stewart, Ryan Spilborghs, Jason Giambi
    •Dodgers: Hiroki Kuroda, Ted Lilly, Jonathan Broxton, Casey Blake, Juan Rivera, Juan Uribe, James Loney, Rod Barajas, Matt Guerrier, Jamey Carroll, Dioner Navarro, Mike MacDougal, Aaron Miles
    •Padres: Heath Bell, Aaron Harang, Chad Qualls

  219. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:54 am

    thanks yt, the bench bat and dh help is coming, there was no need to overspend at the deadline when so many possible pieces that can help will be available this coming month.

  220. pat August 1st, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Kate

    I always laugh when people “break” news here hours/days after someone else did. I didn’t want to be one of those without a disclaimer that I had stepped away from the computer for the last day. :wink:

  221. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    remember when the tigers had bonderman and verlander in the minors, bonderman was THE guy and verlander was just a guy with freakish velocity…how’d that turn out?

  222. blake August 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Trader,

    Love the Bourn move…..pretty much exactly what he Braves needed…..leadoff guy and somebody better than Mclouth.

    Pat,
    That’s a huge loss for Boston……an already thin rotation is thinner.

  223. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 8:52 am
    Tim Dierkes list of players who might be dealt, claimed or might clear waivers, from MLBTR’s:

    •Rays: Johnny Damon, Kelly Shoppach

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I’d love to see Johnny back on the club, he can make a good contribuiton. Runs the bases well, has good knowledge of the strike zone. Puts the ball in play and works pitchers well.

  224. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:58 am

    if he weren’t ‘donny baseball’ how much longer would mattingly have a job in LA?

  225. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am
    remember when the tigers had bonderman and verlander in the minors, bonderman was THE guy and verlander was just a guy with freakish velocity…how’d that turn out?

    _______________________________________________________________________

    Verlander is lights out, I would not want to face those guys in a short series with him pitching 2 games.

  226. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am

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  227. blake August 1st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    “if he weren’t ‘donny baseball’ how much longer would mattingly have a job in LA?”

    To be fair…..it is his first year and there has been a bit of turmoil surrouning the Dodgers……also they aren’t a very good team…they have some good players……but a lot of garbage filled in around them.

  228. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    how about a LH bench guy with 10 hr in 96 ab’s and a .960 ops?

  229. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:03 am

    New Post: Road work ahead for the Yankees

    :arrow:

  230. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am
    damon’s obp < jeter's

    __________________________________________________________________

    Jeter 84 Games, 94 Hits, 4 HR, 30 BB, 50 Runs, 36 RBI's

    Damon 98 Games 107 Hits, 9 HR, 28 BB, 50 Runs, 48 RBI's

    Posada 85 Games 62 Hits, 9HR, 32 BB, 23 Runs, 30 RBI's

    I don't see your point on big difference in Jeter/Damon. I threw Posada's stats in for giggles or frowns.

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