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Yankees postgame: What’s next for Nova?

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova belongs up here. The rookie is 9-4 with a 4.01 ERA. He gave up just two runs, six hits and one walk while fanning six over seven innings in this 17-3 win over the Orioles in the second game.

Yet his immediate future is unclear. Joe Girardi said the plan for him has yet to be discussed, and he left open the possibility of a short-term six-man rotation. Nova obviously doesn’t want to have to go back to Triple-A. But he said, “That’s a decision I don’t make. Of course, I want to be here.”

He added: “I just thought pitch my game, pitch a good game. If I had to prove something, I did already.”

*Rafael Soriano made a nice return, a 1-2-3 ninth with two strikeouts in the second game, his first outing for the Yankees since May 13.

“I felt really good to be out there,” Soriano said. “Thank God I came back and everything was OK. I was pain free.”

There was one negative.

“The velocity wasn’t there,” Soriano said.

But he added that he thought it would come back with more outings.

*Derek Jeter took a grounder off his finger in the second game, but Girardi thought he would be OK for Sunday’s game.

*That Yankees-record 12-run first in the nightcap included 70 pitches by Zach Britton and Jason Berken.

“It’s tough to swallow,” Britton said. “The game’s over in the first inning. As a position player, I can’t imagine what they’re thinking. They know that there’s no way we’re going to win this game, most likely. So it just takes the winds out of your sails.”

*Robinson Cano finished 5 for 5 with five RBI, the first Yankees second baseman to get at least five hits and five RBI in a game since 1920.

*The Orioles traded first baseman Derrek Lee to the Pirates for a minor-league first baseman.

*The Red Sox reportedly were on the verge of getting righty Rich Harden from the A’s. But then there were reports that the deal collapsed.

*Sunday’s starters are Freddy Garcia and Jake Arrieta.

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497 Responses to “Yankees postgame: What’s next for Nova?”

  1. Niblick July 31st, 2011 at 12:40 am

    It would be height of stupidity for the Yankees to send Nova back down to the minors.

    Yet, the Yankees baseball brain trust always seems to be trying to reach new heights.

  2. m July 31st, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Thanks for the post-game, Brian. Nice game all around.

    If we’re following the tweets, Sherman’s version has been confirmed.

    Sounds like this is one possible version:

    The Yankees asked for a physical. Rockies said no.

    The Yankees were absolutely correct to walk away after that.

    The Indians were willing to forgo the physical.

    But supposedly (according to Morosi), the bad inning tonight was pause for concern. (like they weren’t concerned before that?)

    Anyway, I have no problem with Cash’s actions. No matter what the Rockies say, Ubaldo was a question mark.

  3. Jackson July 31st, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Thank God

  4. m July 31st, 2011 at 12:46 am

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....imene.html

    Carig with the story.

  5. jonathan p July 31st, 2011 at 12:50 am

    i for one am glad the yankees didnt trade the farm for ubaldo

  6. Pat M. July 31st, 2011 at 12:52 am

    m…That piece seems to rehash what Sherman wrote earlier this morning….I just read Kepner’s piece in tomorrow’s NY Times and it mentions zip about cloud that has surrounded this afternoon’s failed trade

  7. 4 NYY July 31st, 2011 at 12:54 am

    He would have been nice to have, but not for the price they were asking ! NEVER

  8. m July 31st, 2011 at 12:55 am

    jonathan,

    I think a lot of people will be relieved. But some seem to be angry that Cash didn’t deliver that #2. Truth is there was very few available that would qualify.

    Stark likes the deal…if Ubaldo becomes an ace in Cleveland. Law doesn’t like the deal. Thinks the Indians shouldn’t be buyers. But, they control Ubaldo through 2014 or something like that. So it will be worth the prospects imo.

  9. Tyler July 31st, 2011 at 12:56 am

    The Tribe did part with some huge prospects especially for a team that really isn’t a serious championship contender despite having a nice year so far.

  10. pft2 July 31st, 2011 at 12:57 am

    The only reason to trade Jiminez was if he was damaged goods, like the Rays did with Kazmir. You do not lose velocity for no reason, although sometimes the tear can be managed without surgery.

    Still, despite the offensive outburst against the worst pitching staff in baseball, an upgrade is still needed at DH.

    What the yankees should do with Nova is piggyback him on Hughes starts, call it a scheduled reliever or secondary starter. Let Hughes pitch innings 1-4, and Nova goes 5-8(or 9 depending on the score) every 5 days, and flip it every other start, with both being available for 1 inning relief on the 3rd day after starts.

    This keeps both stretched out with regular work, and Hughes might be more effective throwing fewer pitches like he used to be when he worked out of the pen.

  11. Jacob Ruppert July 31st, 2011 at 1:07 am

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  12. jacksquat July 31st, 2011 at 1:11 am

    I know that Nova deserves to start more than Hughes does, based on performance.

    I hate to say it, but I think you either send Hughes to the minors or make him a reliever. They could even make it his choice.

  13. Nick in SF July 31st, 2011 at 1:15 am

    This can only mean that Lars Anderson’s surefire HOF career is back on track.

  14. Tyler July 31st, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Nick in SF July 31st, 2011 at 1:15 am
    This can only mean that Lars Anderson’s surefire HOF career is back on track.
    ——————————–

    Haha, of course Gammons will issue a statement in about an hour declaring that he was never really on the table and is untouchable unless traded for Clayton Kershaw straight up.

  15. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Cant wait to see Ubaldo in Fenway and Texas

  16. Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 1:27 am

    I keep shaking my head at how little respect Nova/Noesi get. Nova today – 54 FB, 21 sliders 19 CBs, 3 CUs. Sitting 93 topping 96. A rookie that went down and worked on his slider/cutter and got six SOs on that pitch. This is a rookie who has a better ERA than Jimenez in a tough AL eastern versus NL west. And he’s improving every time we see him. Discounting Garcia’s smoke and mirrors in the post season, Nova is #3 on the depth chart and Noesi is basically a Nova clone who might have better command. So if the Yankees traded with Colorado, Nova replaces Jimenez with the added bonus that he’s a sinkerballer and they get Montero and Betances for free. Does not compute.

    So my question all along was “Why the hell are the Yankees looking to trade with Colorado?”

  17. m July 31st, 2011 at 1:29 am

    Lol. I thought Harden was a done deal.

    Hughes got sent down when he was the better option, just as young pitchers before him did.

    I think Hughes gets another start to prove himself. If he struggles I think he goes to the bullpen.

    This is not the admission or confirmation of failure that many will make it out to be.

    Just dealing with the fact that Hughes is still not 100%. And putting him the pen will allow him to go for shorter bursts.

    Revisit him as a starter next spring with the hope that he bounces back.

  18. CompassRosy July 31st, 2011 at 1:34 am

    StoneLarry
    If Red Sox were on verge of trading for Rich Harden, then Bedard’s injury history shouldn’t scare them

    :)

  19. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Billy Beane taking Lars Anderson for Rich Harden? Ho ho ho. Yeah right. Look who leaked it, that will tell you the agenda.

    So Cashmoney is shopping Hughes. I like this direction. Hughes plus something to the NL…but where, if at all?

    Indians took a big gamble. Not sure it’s going to help them.

  20. Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 1:57 am

    If Hughes is seen as a starter then he needs to go down to AAA and work on his secondary pitches and regain his FB. This rushing him up to the Majors post a couple of starts is detrimental to both he and the team and was a developmental nightmare. They are now reaping what they had sown and are in this stupid situation. They’re jerking both kids around looking for the sure thing.

    They rushed Hughes the first time leading to an injury back in Texas and have juked and jived ever since. Hughes remains a one trick pony – the FB. He worked on his CB and two games later he’s in the Majors. DOM – domb.

    This is where Cashman deserves a whack on his pee pee. He got on his horse and rode off in all directions.

  21. UnKnown July 31st, 2011 at 2:12 am

    The velocity wasn’t there,” Soriano said.

    Man this guy is one whiny dude. It’s constantly something negative from him.

  22. m July 31st, 2011 at 2:25 am

    Whiny? Just being honest in his own assessment, IMO.

    I think that Soriano is going to treat this as a fresh start with the club.

    Inthink he got off on the wrong foot. His attitude, pitching, and actions.

    I don’t think you can really change who you are, but you can certainly be humbled. Soriano has said he will accept any role. He needs to make nice because I don’t think there’s any way he opts out.

  23. theREALkevin July 31st, 2011 at 2:39 am

    I’m glad the Yankees didn’t give up Montero+Betances+Nova for Ubaldo. It really seems like Colorado was almost desperate to get rid of the guy. That would definitely raise some red flags in my eyes. The velocity is down this year and his crazy first half of 2010 is seeming more and more like a long time ago. Rockies were simply asking for too much. He’s not an ace, even if Colorado valued him as one.

  24. UnKnown July 31st, 2011 at 3:02 am

    So the Sux didn’t know of Harden’s injury problems before they made a deal with the A’s tonight. Now all of a sudden they call it off because they are concerned of possible injuries. Face Palm. Wow Theo your a complete goofball.

  25. sammiejohnson July 31st, 2011 at 3:24 am

    So I guess Cashman is standing pat? There nothing left to trade for.

  26. NYYanksFan July 31st, 2011 at 3:36 am

    susanslusser Reports in Boston suggest Harden deal scuttled when #RedSox saw Harden’s medical records … But what were they expecting? It’s Rich Harden.

    ScottMCBSSports Rich Harden deal falls thru, freeing up #RedSox to go find Ben Sheets. #tradedeadline

  27. pft2 July 31st, 2011 at 3:52 am

    Red Sox deal was pending approval of the medical records which Oakland agreed to provide. After review, they saw something they did not like, and did not agree to the deal. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone knew of his past problems, but without the details, one can not predict how healthy he may be for the rest of the year.

    Yankees requested Ubaldos records which were not provided so they ended discussions. Indians made the deal w/o reveiew of the records.

    The Red Sox trade for Aviles and pullback on Harden (assuming the records were just an excuse) could suggest a bigger deal involving Scutaro or Lowrie is in the works. Maybe even Youkillis included although that is low probability.

  28. stuart a July 31st, 2011 at 4:46 am

    who cares about the sux and trades.

    yanks staying pat or going small, finally trust the system. montero needs to be up in1 month and be on the roster next season at dh minimum…

    like the tiger moves…sf and philly did well also…

  29. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Do I have this right ?

    The Yankees requested U-Jim’s medical records from Colorado and they refused.

    If so, I would say Cashman was wise to walk away.

    There should be no good reason for such a refusal.

    I am at loss to explain why Cleveland would take such a risk although I thought it had been reported that their deal was pending a physical ?

    This situation is not entirely clear to me.

    Bottom line is that the Yankees felt the risk was not worth the reward.

    Oh well. That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    What’s next ?

  30. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:19 am

    IMO Hughes should be replaced by Nova.

    Either send Phil down with a “phantom” injury, or put him in the pen for now.

    Give Phil the off season to recover and give him another crack at it next
    season.

    Doesn’t make sense to trade him when his value is so low.

  31. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Bring up Montero now.

  32. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Will Cashman do anything before the TD ?

  33. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 7:31 am

    MTU-

    Good morning. I’m glad I came on so you wouldn’t have to talk/post to yourself.

    Before I try and answer the questions you’ll like this from MLBTR’s:

    The White Sox are now in search of rotation depth, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). After trading Edwin Jackson on Wednesday, General Manager Ken Williams & Co. believe that they are in need of starting pitching.

    So Kenny why make the trade in the first place-wanted to get rid of Jackson’s and teahan’s contract?

  34. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:34 am

    YT-

    Thanks for the rescue.

    Like I said, Kenny Williams is a boob.

    Remember the movie “Wayne’s World” ?

    Well now you have the sequel “Kenny’s World”.

    :)

  35. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 7:39 am

    96.1–>93.4

    MTU that’s not a drop in my temperature due to hiking in your neck of the woods.

    That’s Ubaldo’s drop in velocity. If you watched the game last night, 93.4 was around the average fastball velocity for Nova, touching 96 on occasion . Nova definitely deserves to stay-he pitched a better game than Hughes against a far better offensive team in the Orioles.

  36. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2011 at 7:39 am

    “The Red Sox trade for Aviles and pullback on Harden (assuming the records were just an excuse) could suggest a bigger deal involving Scutaro or Lowrie is in the works”

    —–

    They are putting Aviles in the OF. He’ll be a super utility guy for them. It’s probably a good pickup for them.

    I’m still glad they didn’t get Harden though.

  37. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:44 am

    YT-

    I’ve seen enough of Ivan the Great.

    I’m sold on his potential, and ability to deliver wins.

    He stays. Period.

    Phil Hughes has had a tough time staying healthy. Very unfortunate.

    Maybe next year. I appears I was too optimistic on him for this season.

    I think there must have been more to his arm injury than simple tendonitis. No way to explain it otherwise IMO.

  38. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:45 am

    edit: it appears. sorry. I’m still suffering the effects of oxygen deprivation from hiking yesterday at high altitude.

  39. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Nova pitches in AL east, Ubaldo in the NL west and Nova has a better ERA W-L record and has the same average FB velocity. Glad he wasn’t traded yesterday. Apparently the yankees were out a few days ago when they were denied medical records.

    HIPAA-I’m sure you’ve signed this in your doctor’s office. It establishes regulations for the use and disclosure of Protected Health Information.

    I imagine most ballplayers are asked in their contracts to waive it so that other clubs physicians can review the records. If not then another physical is needed.

    Cashman was smart, especially with all the red flags swirling about Jimenez, to ask for medical records or even request a physical before the trade if Jimenez had not waived his HIPAA rights.

  40. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:56 am

    YT-

    Yup.

    :)

  41. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 7:58 am

    MTU,

    I am back to reality, the heat and the drought.

    Speaking of drought, I can’t see anyone else out there who would help. Wandy, Adams, Bell? I can’t imagine any of them happening. Teams are not dumping salary, it seems. That was Cashman’s mid-season advantage.

    If Soriano’s decrease in velocity last night is a sign, then I would try to add another reliever.

    I also looks at Wandy’s splits. It is quite good and he might give the Sox troubler. He did shut out the Rangers for seven innings a few starts ago and is pitching well.

  42. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Mac-

    Thanks for your take on things. I look forward to some photos when you get the time.

    As far as the Yanks go. Yeah, I can see them making a play for a second-tier guy like Wandy.

    FWIS, I think they should just stand pat rather than adding mediocrity.

    The exception would be if he comes really cheap.

    Otherwise I pass.

    About the only guy(s) who interest me know are Danks and Thornton but I expect neither to be traded at this point.

    Oh well, there is always next season.

    :)

  43. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Good morning BD.

    MTU July 31st, 2011 at 7:22 am
    Will Cashman do anything before the TD ?
    ———————————-
    One day before the TD, Cashman finds out Andruw Jones resurgence seems real, Soriano is pain free and has had an attitude change, Chavez can play two days in a row and hit, Nunez is an important bench piece with terrific speed and a good bat.

    With A-Rod coming back in 1-2 weeks, he might not feel another bat or RP is necessary.

    I still think he makes a trade for another starter today.

  44. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:04 am

    edit: now not know. sorry.

  45. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:04 am

    MTU,

    Lot of folks were upset that Cash didn’t pull the trigger on this deal……but if it went down as it seems it did then I don’t see how the Yanks coukd have proceeded.

    First they never came off the Montero, Betances, Nova asking price it doesn’t seem….and second the Rockies wouldn’t allow a medical evaluation on a guy that has signs that there coukd be something wrong with him physically ……as much as the Yanks would have had to give up you just can’t proceed wihout the peace of mind that he’s healthy……the Yanks probably wouldn’t have paid that price anyway and Im fine with that.

  46. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:05 am

    YT-

    “I still think he makes a trade for another starter today.”

    Like who ?

  47. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Blake-

    I agree with you on both accounts.

    Price was too steep, and no deal possible with this season’s red flag w/o the physical.

    What’s next ?

    :)

  48. yanks61 July 31st, 2011 at 8:08 am

    I always enjoy reading this blog, but yesterday’s comments have to be amongst the astonishing I’ve ever seen here.

    LGY, Pat M, Betsy and Bret on the same page! Jerkface, JAP, GB7 and Randl L essentially in agreement! JF and LGY and Pat M and GB7 on opposite ends of the debate. Wow, and that’s just the beginning!

    If only we could get the dunderheads in Congress to reach out across the great divide and talk to one another in the same way. If typical board enemies on this Blog can come to agreement with one another on whether or not to trade for UJ, Congress might even be able to compromise on something as relatively simple as the national budget.

    My personal, unsolicited two cents (on the trade, not on the budget) is that I’m glad the Yanks held the line against trading far too much for this guy. Look, for once the Yanks are really into rebuilding for the future with their youth (while also remaining competitive), instead of always looking through the toy store window for some quick fix that may need to be fixed not long after they bought him.

    There’s nothing in the Constitution that says that the Yanks have to go to the WS every year. I’ve gone though two long periods in my life where the Yanks didn’t win (the mid 60s to mid 70s and the then an even longer period in the 80s/early 90s.) Believe it or not, folks, I survived (since this post is not coming to you from the Great Beyond.) Those long absences from relevance, IMHO, is because, for various reasons, the Yanks forgot about what got them championships – basically building from within, supplemented (but not primarily) by wise trades.

    So the Yanks are now into rebuilding while also remaining competitive. That’s all they have to do – be competitive – to get into the Playoffs where, as we all know, it’s a roll of the dice no matter who you have going for you. You only need to be hot at the right time. Meanwhile, they’re getting themselves prepared for another long run at the very top by being VERY selective in their trades (and, hopefully, signings), while developing a first rate farm system that’s going to very shortly be delivering the goods.

    There was nothing about this trade that was a sure thing. Absent a sure thing you don’t give away the farm. You’re patient. I’m glad the Yanks were.

  49. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Montero, next up. Trade someone to SWB for Montero ;) I expect the Red Sox to add a starter today…..don’t know who. Maybe cash has a rabbit up his.sleeve……don’t know.

  50. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Blake-

    Free Jesus now !

    :)

  51. Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:12 am
    How about if they win multiple championships in the future because they kept Montero and the two Bs? Would that satisfy you? How about if they got Ubaldo & won nothing, & went through a dark ages because they gave two of those 3 guys away? Would you have been ok with that?

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Saw this from last night, reminds me a bit of the conversations on Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy a few years back. Kennedy is gone, Hughes has a dead arm, and Joba has at best a very uncertain future after he comes back. Not doing something at the TD is a mistake. Not looking forward to a winter like last year, but I suspect it’s coming.

  52. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    61-

    Excellent post.

    :)

  53. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 8:13 am

    This trade deadline has been remarkable for the lack of Yankee rumors. Ubaldo and Kuruda are about all we heard, and they seemingly got nowhere on either. I just hope the old starters can hold on for a few more months.

    Next years rotation seems to need another starter. Many speak of Wilson for next year. My bet is he re-signs with the Rangers. They have money, and he seems to like it there.

  54. Tar July 31st, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Yanks61

    Haha good post. The thought of those in agreement crossed my mind as well. :D

  55. Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:17 am

    blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:09 am
    Montero, next up. Trade someone to SWB for Montero I expect the Red Sox to add a starter today…..don’t know who. Maybe cash has a rabbit up his.sleeve……don’t know.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Blake I don’t think so, but I’m hoping. Cashman has become the non player as of late, happy to answer the phone I guess, but not into deal making.

    Right now the Boston series looms large. If they can’t start beating Boston especially in August it’s a not a good sign. To me anybody but Detriot, whoever has to face them if they make it in a short series will get a big dose of Verlander.

  56. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Gary-

    IMO some people rate prospects too highly, and some not highly enough.

    No matter the talent level it takes a lot of luck for a guy to make it.

    No way of predicting future health especially that of a Pitcher.

    That said, it doesn’t mean you should trade away with abandon either.

    Win now can be short-sighted, and prospect hugging can be an illusion.

    Balanced approach is the way to go IMO.

  57. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:19 am

    austinmac-

    Wandy Rodriguez did pitch well against the Rangers but not very well against the Marlins and Pirates in 3 turns after the Ranger outing on 6/30. He held the Rangers to 4 hits in 7 shutout innings, and shut down lefty Josh Hamilton.

    He’s had 2 quality outings[his last two outings] , a loss against the Cubs and last one a win against the Cardinals 7 innings 1 earned run.

    He was on DL with left elbow inflammation. Is that a red flag. Then of course there’s his contract.

  58. Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:19 am

    blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:09 am
    Montero, next up. Trade someone to SWB for Montero I expect the Red Sox to add a starter today…..don’t know who. Maybe cash has a rabbit up his.sleeve……don’t know.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    CC (option year), Burnet, Colon, Garcia, Nova, how do you net just one starter out of that mess?

  59. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 8:21 am

    What is the reality of Montero’s catching? Can he currently catch well enough to play? His defensive stats, as best as I can tell, looks okay. If he can be decent behind the plate and not get embarrassed, I agree now is the time.

    As a fan, the TD is fun speculation giving us hope for a big infusion. It is disappointing nothing has been done, but that doesn’t mean Cashman hasn’t been correct. I do wonder if the Yankees have the pitching to hold down the Sox in a series. I have my doubts and that’s why I wanted to add Beltran and outscore them.

  60. Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:21 am

    MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:18 am
    Gary-

    IMO some people rate prospects too highly, and some not highly enough.

    No matter the talent level it takes a lot of luck for a guy to make it.

    No way of predicting future health especially that of a Pitcher.

    That said, it doesn’t mean you should trade away with abandon either.

    Win now can be short-sighted, and prospect hugging can be an illusion.

    Balanced approach is the way to go IMO.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    I guess I’m just one of those the past does have something to do with the future. I think it’s left than 50/50 when these guys come up. You can’t keep everyone and hope tbhey all will make it.

  61. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:22 am

    yanks61-

    Loved your post!! 61 Yanks my favorite Yankees team of all time.

  62. Gary July 31st, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Off to HD to spend some money, later

  63. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Mac-

    I think we both agree that there is considerable risk built into the current rotation. If Bartolo goes down there is no #2 replacement.

    IMO there is no one of substance behind him for the playoffs.

    I have little or no faith in AJ. He’s a roll of dice. Garcia isn’t a #2.

    Maybe the Yankees will do some trading in the OS ?

  64. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 8:27 am

    YT,

    I don’t see the elbow as a red flag for Wandy. His stuff seems to be as usual. He has a 90 mph fastball, a very good curve and a pretty good change. How would he pitch in the AL? That’s a good question, but I think he would be solid.

    I have read the Houston paper, and it seems the Astros might eat some of the money. All in all, I don’t think the Yankees will act.

    I thought Guthrie looked good the other night, but he is on one of the many teams that don’t willingly deal with the Yankees.

  65. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:31 am

    To me anybody but Detriot, whoever has to face them if they make it in a short series will get a big dose of Verlander.
    ————————————————-
    Gary-

    A big dose of Verlander, then what?—Scherzer, Porcello, Penny all of the last 3 with ERA’s well over 4. Fister as their #2 with his ERA in the 3′s.

  66. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Nova has to stay and Phil has to be sent back to AAA…….

  67. yanks61 July 31st, 2011 at 8:33 am

    MTU, TAR and Trader; I’m glad you enjoyed the post. I enjoy reading you guys every day. Thanks for all the great discussions. I’m coming to you from the sunny Loire Valley in France. I don’t get to see the games like you folks do, and I very appreciate the insights.

    Trader, I’ve been a Yankee fan since 1952. 61 is easily my favorite Yankee year. I kept a scrapbook of every Yankee game that year (like my BB card collection, long gone!)

  68. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    61,

    A bit like the twilight zone right… :)

    Wandy would be ok I guess but I wouldn’t give up anything for him and Houston would have to eat some money…..don’t be surprised if Boston gets him today. They need back end starters

  69. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:34 am

    That doesn’t clarify anything for me – which physical did the Rockies refuse? One prior to the trade or after? I have never heard of a team denying a physical after a trade has been agreed to nor that it’s even allowed

  70. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:35 am

    austinmac-

    Another lefty would be great in the rotation. How much of Wandy’s contract do the Astro’s eat?

    11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    option may become guaranteed based on performance
    option becomes player option with trade

  71. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Putting Phil in the pen should not be an option………..

    Also, did Sherman confirm his story that in a fit of pique Cashman offered up Hughes and “eh” on a silver platter?

  72. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    61-

    Must be nice to live in a Chateau.

    When you sell your wine is it called Chateau 61 ?

    Kinda catchy isn’t it ?

    ;)

  73. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:38 am

    The physical was always going to happen after the deal was made, so this doesn’t change anything for me………….I’m fine with not giving up those players, but not with how things were handled – and since a physical was always going to happen, I don’t care that the Rockies said No.

  74. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    yanks61 July 31st, 2011 at 8:33 am
    MTU, TAR and Trader; I’m glad you enjoyed the post. I enjoy reading you guys every day. Thanks for all the great discussions. I’m coming to you from the sunny Loire Valley in France. I don’t get to see the games like you folks do, and I very appreciate the insights.

    Trader, I’ve been a Yankee fan since 1952. 61 is easily my favorite Yankee year. I kept a scrapbook of every Yankee game that year (like my BB card collection, long gone!)
    ———————————-
    Are you posting while aloft in a hot air balloon? :)

    Johnny Blanchard-what a terrific backup that year!

  75. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:39 am

    “Nova has to stay and Phil has to be sent back to AAA…….”

    I kinda agree. Nova is pitching better right now but the main thing isn’t the results with Hughes……its the process, he’s just not right and hasn’t been since the start of ST. It could be the innings hangover or something mechanical but he needs to go to an environment where he can work it out and it not be in a pennant race.

  76. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Betsy,

    The Yanks were right to ask for the physical before a deal was agreed to and were right to walk away when it was declined……probably made them a little more suspicious that they were hiding something with his medicals. I guess the Indians were ok taking that risk……but the Yanks would have been giving up too much to IMO.

  77. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 8:44 am

    YT,

    I think if the salary was under $10m/yr., it would be fair. Get the Astros the pay the difference.

    I keep wondering if the Yankees are not producing the money they expected with the new stadium. Their are always many empty seats. While some may be purchased and not used, that still leaves shortfall with the other money a fan spends at the game. I also wonder about the Yes ratings. Does anyone know how hey compare to previous years?

    Could these factors be impacting the amount of money they will take on?

  78. yanks61 July 31st, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Blake – yes, indeed.

    MTU, wanna join me and go in on a vineyard? Chateau 61 would be perfect!

    Trader – Johnny”on the spot” Blanchard had what had to be one of the all time greatest years for any part-time player. And his PH homers? Incredible!
    But no, no hot air balloon, though I have seen plenty of them. This is my wife’s hometown on the Loire river. We’ve been here 7 years since we retired. I worked for a U.S./international company in France for about 25 years before that.

  79. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Blake-

    Hughes is the “poster boy” for why you shouldn’t over rate prospects IMO.

    Why you ask ?

    Well I’ll tell you.

    Highly rated prospect.

    Projectable body type.

    Near perfect mechanics.

    In other words, a “dream” prospect.

    Result:

    Pulled hammy

    Broken rib

    Sore shoulder

    Not exactly what you would have predicted is it based on his “prospect” status.

    And yeah I know, “fluke” injuries.

    But that’s exactly my point. It takes a lot of luck to reach a cieling.

    ;)

  80. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Yanks 61,

    1961 was great year. Roger and I both played right field, wore no. 9 and had the same birthday. Ah, the M and M Boys. I remember being excited to see their movie Safe at Home. Shocking they got no Academy Award buzz. :)

  81. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Betsy-

    Good morning. I posted this earlier.

    HIPAA-I’m sure you’ve signed this in your doctor’s office. It establishes regulations for the use and disclosure of Protected Health Information.

    I imagine most ballplayers are asked in their contracts to waive it so that other clubs physicians can review the records. If not then another physical is needed.

    Cashman was smart, especially with all the red flags swirling about Jimenez, to ask for medical records or even request a physical before the trade if Jimenez had not waived his HIPAA rights.
    ———-

    I’m guesing Cashman said something along the lines like this–” Jim[Dowd], How do you expect me to give up 2 of the 3 best rated proscpects in baseball plus Nova for Jimenez with the red flags we discussed. I would be remiss in my duties as servant to the Yankees for not asking for his medical records so our physicians can review them, and if he hasn’t waived HIPAA, then I’ll need a physical.”

    When Dowd refused-No deal.

  82. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 8:49 am

    61-

    partner up with VY. He’s actually in the biz already.

    Thanks for the offer. I’ll take a free sample of your first vintage please.

    :)

  83. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Blake, it’s a bunch of things, but even with decent stuff (like last year), Hughes showed that he has a lot of things to work on. He’s just not that good and if the Yankees hope to get anything from him, they have to sort of rebuild him where he can be rebuilt in peace. The majors are not the place for him………

    Blake, they were always going to get a physical – after the deal. They had the right to walk away and I’m not upset about that fact, but I don’t blame the Rockies.

  84. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Austinmac,
    Its something to.consider……most Yankee fans don’t follow the minors as closely as the people say on this blog and just want to see a winner at the big league level…..whether its right or wrong I can imagine it putting some of them off if they continue to here over and over that the “price was too high” for the Yankees to do something……..but that’s how Rafeal Sorianos get signed I guess…

  85. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 8:54 am

    austinmac-

    There’s also luxury tax, which the Yankees pay at 40% of salaries above the threshold of 178M this year, so add that to Wandy’s salary.

    Look at lefty John Lannon’s stats with the Nationals. Any interest there?

  86. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Yanks61 -

    I agree with your post.

    I do think the Yankees could be helped by another solid pitcher. I don’t think Jimenez was that guy. Look, really look, at his numbers. In the NL West. He had one solid year. On ESPN last night they put his numbers up from 2010 and this year, and call me crazy, but they’re already dealing with a pitcher in a similar situation (Hughes) and they don’t need another guy whose velocity is down. To my mind, Jimenez is no more of a lock to win the WS than anyone they already have. At least not this season.

    I think Cashman did well to hold his ground in this situation. You can’t trade 3 of your best prospects (though Nova is surely not a “prospect” anymore) for a pitcher with red flags all over the place. Pitchers are a shaky commodity to begin with, the least you need to be sure of is their current health.

    And, I read the tweets and I don’t remember Sherman saying “in a fit of pique” regarding the Hughes substitution. And so far no confirmation that that even happened.

  87. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 8:55 am

    MTU, it’s not just the injuries…………..but overall yeah, you never know.

    Phil has a hard time holding onto pitches – if he doesn’t use them for awhile, they seem to almost never come back the same. He’s not a very durable pitcher obviously and he has major issues putting hitters away. I guess his mechanics were considered near perfect, but I don’t like how he short-arms the ball………….and I don’t know if his mechanics are the same as they were in the minors. I find it hard to believe that his stuff has diminished – is it because of the 2007/08 injuries (esp. 2007)? That doesnt’ make any sense to me as he didn’t suffer any arm issues. I do think that being in the pen hurt him in a few ways – not just with his secondary pitches, but with the huge innings jump becoming a starter in 2010 required.

    If the Yankees really did try to pawn him off on the Rockies for a pitcher they were unsure of health-wise, that says to me that they have reached the end of the line re: their committment to and patience with him. I don’t think they are going to try and rebuild him ala Halladay – I think they will send him to AAA, hope he gets his stuff (not just velocity) back and maybe next year put him in the pen

  88. MG July 31st, 2011 at 8:55 am

    it’s easy to be critical of any team, particularly the Yankees, and claim to be right when and if they don’t win the World Series in any year.

    Of course, the probability that any team wins the WS after getting in the playoffs is less than 50% no matter which team it is, you aren’t going to see odds of 1-2 (which is a 66.6% probability) before the Division Series even if a team wins 115 games.

    Whether the Yankees make a move or not today isn’t going to significantly change the probability for them in 2011; picking up a guy like Wandy Rodriguez may sound find, but who would he replace in the rotation? Garcia? Nova/Hughes?

    Without a move, the Yankees have added Chavez and Soriano to the team this week, have Arod back in two weeks, have given Nunez some needed playing time in the majors, have Swish raking, Jeter hitting the ball better than he has all year, and possibly have Montero ready to contribute down the stretch. That’s a much better team than the one that is 63-42 so far.

    If entering the playoffs with this team means that the farm system keeps everyone, I’m fine with that, even if they don’t win this year. As ’61′ so aptly pointed out, there is no guarantee of a World Championship every year whether you make ‘all the right moves’ or not.

  89. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Trader,

    Yup

    Betsy,

    I see what you’re saying…..but you understand im sure why the Yanks would want to.make sure he’s healthy before agreeing to a deal of this magnitude with his health concerns. If the Rockies had nothing to hide and wanted to deal then I don’t see why it was a problem…..but oh well.

    I do think this non trade in particular shows that Montero isn’t just some glorified trade chip as some folks like to say…….

  90. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 1:27 am

    I keep shaking my head at how little respect Nova/Noesi get. Nova today – 54 FB, 21 sliders 19 CBs, 3 CUs. Sitting 93 topping 96. A rookie that went down and worked on his slider/cutter and got six SOs on that pitch. This is a rookie who has a better ERA than Jimenez in a tough AL eastern versus NL west. And he’s improving every time we see him. Discounting Garcia’s smoke and mirrors in the post season, Nova is #3 on the depth chart and Noesi is basically a Nova clone who might have better command. So if the Yankees traded with Colorado, Nova replaces Jimenez with the added bonus that he’s a sinkerballer and they get Montero and Betances for free. Does not compute.

    So my question all along was “Why the hell are the Yankees looking to trade with Colorado?”
    =========
    I really don’t get it either. I thought that sending down Nova when Hughes came back was a mistake that could retard Nova’s development. I would have put Hughes in the ‘pen to give him a chance to work out his problems, while Nova continued his progress. I don’t think that they should send down Nova again, and I don’t think that they should send down Hughes either. I guess that a 6-man rotation might be a way to go. Using a 6-man rotation would enable Girardi to let competition determine who should be in the postseason rotation.

    I’m still quite optimistic about the Yanks’s chances this year. At this point, I think that Colon will be healthy and ready to pitch when October rolls around. I think that a competition between Nova and Hughes will redound to the team’s benefit. Burnett and Garcia provide veteran depth. Giardi will have some good choices for setting up the postseason rotation.

    At the end of the day, the Yanks biggest problem this year is Boston. If thy can’t figure out how to beat the Sox, then they aren’t going anywhere anyway. Right now, the Yanks’ best pitcher against the Sox has been..Colon. Despite the season he has been having, CC is 0 and 3 against them. The rest of the staff also has struggled against the Sox. It’s not clear to me that Ubaldo would have significantly changed the calculus here. We still need guys to step up. The good news is that Boston has problems of their own, and they can be beat.

  91. blake July 31st, 2011 at 8:59 am

    I also think that with offereing Hughes that Cashman probably said that he wasn’t comfortable trading Montero, Betances, and Nova without a physical…….but if they wanted to deal injury risk pitcher (Hughes) for injury risk pitcher (ubaldo ) then they would consider that. I think it was just the Yankees way of saying the offed is going to be less without the physical……and that was in their rights to do.

  92. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I’m not buying into any of these rumors that are trickling out. I can’t imagine that the Rox would have resisted a physical for UJ. Physicals are pro forma for consummating trades. Nobody in their right mind would make a trade without medical results, even if the plaers involved were all perfectly healthy. There has to be something else going on here.

  93. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Blake, as I said I’m not upset with the Yankees for walking away………….I’m just not upset with the Rockies. Offering Hughes for Jimenez is an insult – even with whatever ? hang over Jimenez, he’s a far better pitcher with far better stuff. I think it shows Cashman in a bad light if true.

  94. MG July 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    the Yankees aren’t going to win anything unless they are able to win some games against the Sox down the stretch, it’s time for them (as they have many times in the past, as recently as 2009) to make a statement in these upcoming series and tip the scales in their favor.

  95. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Betsy-

    I was merely trying to point out that there is no such thing as a “sure thing”
    when it comes to prospects.

    I thought Hughes represented a good example of the unforseen things that can derail a prospect’s career.

    I continue to hope that Hughes can somehow find a way to pull it together in the future.

    I was too optimistic. I have no idea what the Yankees will do with him going forward.

    His stock has definitely taken a big hit though. No question.

  96. pkyankfan69 July 31st, 2011 at 9:04 am

    One last ditch effort for King Felix… Montero – Betances – Nova – Hughes

    Any chance that might get it done?

  97. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:04 am

    MG-

    Feel the same way!

    Hopefully those additions will enable the Yankees to more come from behind victories in the late innings.

    If the Yankees could add a bat that can sustain a rally and hit with RISP in all situations, plus play defense, an OF’er I think that would help. I’ve propsed Reed Johnson after looking at his split stats. Maybe there’s another player out there?

  98. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I’m not buying into any of these rumors that are trickling out. I can’t imagine that the Rox would have resisted a physical for UJ. Physicals are pro forma for consummating trades. Nobody in their right mind would make a trade without medical results, even if the plaers involved were all perfectly healthy. There has to be something else going on here.

    ********

    Yeah it’s called botched negotiations and the blame game. They waited all off season for this moment and produced zilch. Call them smart. Call them savvy. Call them faithful for “devoting” the franchise to the farm system. But I can promise you they never envisioned Bartolo Colon as a Game 2 starter. I call them lucky. We’ll see how he does.

  99. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am

    MG-

    Feel the same way with your 8:55 post, not really with your last post about having to make a statement against Boston.

  100. yanks61 July 31st, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I have to keep dropping out of the discussion to wash a few more dishes. My wife made one of her usual Sunday afternoon gourmet meals and I get to clean up. I’m always stuck with the garbage detail. But then, I can’t cook like my wife!

    austinmatic, I also loved the Ford/Luis Arroyo tandem.

    MTU, the first bottle is earmarked for you!

    You guys are far more interesting and more entertaining than any TV show. Actually, quite addictive! Unfortunately, I’m usually only able to read everybody’s posts early in the AM here, just after the graveyard shift has gone off and the just before the morning shift has arrived. But thanks again for all the good talk.

    I’m happy to see some of the ladies back, too. Some of these gals (M, Pat , Laura and Betsy – regardless of what others may think of her “negative” remarks) are all really smart cookies. They know the game!

    I even get a kick out of stuart a. Others may find his posts annoying, but I get a laugh out of them. He really wears his heart on his sleeve and if he’s a bit ‘excessive’ he’s also often correct (IMO, of course.)

    Anyway, gotta run again. All the best folks. Keep up the good work. Remember, you may not see me, but I’ll be watching!

    Cheers.

  101. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Boston is much less dangerous in a playoff series without Bucholtz IMO. Now you’re down to Lester, Beckett and garbage for their rotation. If Beckett’s back doesn’t hold up they are in serious trouble on the pitching front.

  102. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Many of you are so quick to blame Cashman and call the negotiations “botched.” Tell me how any “negotiations” actually happened when apparently the Rockies never really moved off their initial demands?

    How is that a “negotiation?”

    What I read here last night seemed to indicate that people felt that since the Rockies wouldn’t budge, Cashman should have gone along with the demands. How is that negotiation?

  103. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:01 am

    I’m not buying into any of these rumors that are trickling out. I can’t imagine that the Rox would have resisted a physical for UJ. Physicals are pro forma for consummating trades. Nobody in their right mind would make a trade without medical results, even if the plaers involved were all perfectly healthy. There has to be something else going on here.

    ********

    Yeah it’s called botched negotiations and the blame game. They waited all off season for this moment and produced zilch. Call them smart. Call them savvy. Call them faithful for “devoting” the franchise to the farm system. But I can promise you they never envisioned Bartolo Colon as a Game 2 starter. I call them lucky. We’ll see how he does.
    ================

    It’s not clear at all that anything was botched here. Clearly, the fact that Colon and Garcia have been so good has given Cashman a great deal of flexibility in regards to his approach to the trade deadline. I think that the outcome of these negotiations would have been much different if the Yanks were 9 games out of first, and fighting for a wild card spot. Cash drew an inside straight with Colon and Garcia, and now he’s playing it. Luck, as they say, is the residue of design.

  104. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 9:12 am

    MTU, I didn’t think Phil was going to have a good year this year for a few reasons, but that doesn’t matter now. The best thing for him and the only thing to do for the team is to send him to AAA. His rep around the game and with his own organization has taken a hit………I didn’t think coming into the season that he’d be here beyond his FA season; I also thought that once they decided he was no longer a part of their long-term future they’d put him in the pen. So, once he’s healthy and hopefully throwing well, I think we’ll see them try to get the most out of him – by putting him in the pen

  105. MG July 31st, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:07 am
    MG-

    Feel the same way with your 8:55 post, not really with your last post about having to make a statement against Boston.
    ————————-
    YT, my statement would be play them at least even the rest of the way, they can’t lose another 6 games to them and go into a potential ALCS with a 3-15 season series record with an expectation of winning the ALCS.

    I don’t care much about the results of 1 or 2 randomly scheduled series but 18 games during the whole year is enough to base at least some conclusions about the match up of the two teams. At the same time, I don’t believe the Sox are any better than the Yankees and things should even out somewhat from now to the end of the season.

  106. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    BTW, I’m happy they still have Ivan Nova. I like his stuff the more I see him and his trade value is higher than he’s given credit for. He has now won 9 games in a little over a half season in the AL East. He has so many raw tools it’s a pleasure to watch him. The great thing is he’s surrounded by catchers with baseball smarts – Pena, Girardi, Jorge, Martin and yes even Cervelli. It’s the kind of environment that a pitcher with his raw talent needs to realize his potential. I said at the beginning of the season he reminds me of Chien Ming Wang in that he was a darkhorse of the farm, like Cano and Melky as well. The excess hype seems to be the kiss of death for Yankees prospects. It usually turns me off. I can’t remember the last hyped prospect that made it in this system. Can you?

  107. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Bret,

    They still wanted Montero, Betances, and Nova + more it sounds like. That’s too much…..especially when you can’t be sure everything is clear with his medicals before agreeing to the deal.

    I know there was a report that the ChiSox are looking to add a pitcher…..but I would call Kenny Williams this morning just to be sure on Danks……you really never know what he will do.

  108. Noreaster July 31st, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Seems like we should add a bat and bullpen help by adding Montero to the roster and sliding Phil over to the pen. The only trade I see happening now is possibly a lefty for the pen and that might happen next month.

  109. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Playoffs-Two months away, more trades to come, waived players to add, injured players to return. I like the Yankees chances-currently with the 3rd best record in all of baseball. Health will be the #1 concern for all teams down the stretch vying for a playoff spot. BTW careful of the Angels.

    CY matchup today-Verlander vs Weaver, power vs guile.

  110. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Yanks 61,

    I remember Ford said he was going to give a seven minute Cy Young acceptance speech and have Arroyo speak for two. Although I lived far away, I did see a couple games that year and saw Maris hit a homer.

    I wish I would remember many things as well as I recall the details of that year.

  111. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:18 am

    MG-

    Did the Harden deal definitely fall thru?

  112. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Only the Yankees could have 5 guys in their rotation, each of them on pace for double-wins in a season, and a fan base unhappy that the Yanks didn’t get another starting pitcher, at the same time.

  113. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Yea the Harden deal fell through.
    Axisa’s take on Nova (www.riveraveblues.con)

    Ivan Nova‘s return was a smashing success; he allowed two garbage time runs in seven innings. He wiggled out of a bases loaded jam in the first, but was on cruise control the rest of the way with the big lead. Nova’s 97 pitches were broken down into 54 fastballs, 21 curveballs, 19 sliders, and three changeups. He got six swings and misses on the slide piece, the pitch they wanted him to work on in the minors.

    The 6 swing and misses on sliders is nice to see……that pitch that you can throw up there and have the hitters swing and miss on is what Hughes really is missing and that compounds when his velo is down and his command isn’t there.

  114. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I know there was a report that the ChiSox are looking to add a pitcher…..but I would call Kenny Williams this morning just to be sure on Danks……you really never know what he will do.
    —————————
    Blake-
    MTU and I were discussing why now Williams wants to add a starter, after just trading away one. Dual personality??

    The White Sox are now in search of rotation depth, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). After trading Edwin Jackson on Wednesday, General Manager Ken Williams & Co. believe that they are in need of starting pitching.

  115. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Trader,

    Williams is crazy sometimes…..they are only 2 out so I doubt they’d trade arguably their best pitcher……but you just never really know. Id make the call and see.

  116. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Did the Sox really need to see the medicals on Harden?

    this picture sort of sums up his career:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2.....525201.jpg

  117. Noreaster July 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    From a playoff point of view, I guess we are back to hoping Colon holds up, CC, Colon, AJ is a pretty good 1, 2, 3. Plus Mo, Soriano, Robertson is a great pen…just need that 2nd lefty.

  118. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    My bold prediction today. Wandy to the Red Sox.

  119. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Ivan Nova‘s return was a smashing success.
    ——————————
    He also pitched against a much better offensive team than the Mariners[Hughes].
    His fastball velocity was 93+ and hit 96-97 at times. His ERA and record, in a much tougher division, are better than Ubaldo Jimenez. Yes i’d say it was a success in more ways than one!!

  120. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Blake-

    My not so bold prediction for today.

    The Yankee’s stand pat.

  121. Noreaster July 31st, 2011 at 9:29 am

    blake, I don’t think the Sox will want to add the payroll that Wandy brings with him. It’s too long of a commitment for a national league pitcher.

  122. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Any chance Cashman pulls a rabbit out the hat ?

  123. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 9:24 am
    Did the Sox really need to see the medicals on Harden?

    this picture sort of sums up his career:
    ——————-
    Good one. Why the smirk? Needs a caption-”What me worry, still gets me money.”

  124. Noreaster July 31st, 2011 at 9:30 am

    MTU,

    Agreed. Do you think they will bring Montero up for a look at DH and backup catcher?

  125. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Any chance Cashman pulls a rabbit out the hat ?
    —————————–
    MTU-
    Bullwinkle-”Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.”

    Tiger appears.

    Bullwinkle-”Wrong hat.”

    Are we getting a Detroit Tiger today?-Verlander :)

  126. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Noreaster-

    I thought they might trade him. That’s why he was being held back.

    Since they haven’t I would say yeah.

    Only question is when ?

    IMO it’s time for him to get his feet wet in the role you suggested.

    A better bet would be we see him when the rosters expand in Sept.

  127. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Noreaster,

    True…..however I think they’d only have to pay a prorated 7 million for this year…..so much like 3 million or so and they have some money coming off next year. Plus they need back end starters and their rotation is RH heavy. If the Astros ate some salary I coukd see it just because I really don’t think they want their #3 and 4 in a playoff series to be John Lackey and then Wakefiekd/Aceves/whoever else.

  128. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    And I’m starting to wonder what really happened between Jack Z and Cashman last year. Only the two of them really know the truth. I think Brian Cashman has a knack for negotiating in a way that agitates other GM’s and comes across as very abrasive. I think he engages GM’s based on big name prospects like Montero now and Hughes before him. He says he will “listen” on Montero or “listen” on Hughes to get the talks going. The opposing GM goes in thinking that the key player is the base of the deal so they continue to talk about complimentary pieces. Then when the deal approaches crunch time, Cashman officially includes what was supposedly the base of the deal from the get-go and pulls out the complimentary pieces they spent so much time talking about. GM’s get to feeling Cashman just really wasted their time.

    I read somewhere that when Hughes was “untouchable” and the Twins GM demanded him for Johan Santana. Cashman spent all this time negotiating the complimentary pieces (Ian Kennedy + Melky Cabrera etc) but never really fully offered Hughes until the higher ups ordered him to. When Cash did offer Hughes, he destroyed all the hard work of the negotiations and pulled all the complimentary pieces. He totally changed the package. So he did officially offer Hughes but only for a brief moment. In the second surprise version of the package, Hughes was surrounded by prospects Billy Smith held no interest in whatsoever. Just a bunch of chumps introduced into the talks for the first time, despite no input on the part of Smith. Cashman appeased his bosses by including Hughes but he purposefully alienated his trade partner.

    When is the last time the Twins have dealt with the Yankees since then?

    I wonder did Cashman engage Jack Z. on Montero and say he would listen, then waste his time and led him to complimentary pieces in Nova + Nunez…only to pull them once officially offering Montero. Then he inserted damaged goods David Adams and Zach McAllister at the last second as a complimentary piece just when Jack Z thought the package was going in an entirely opposite direction.

    Will the Mariners be dealing with the Yankees any time soon? Just check out Jack Z’s comments about King Felix this trade deadline and you’ll see all you need to know.

    And with these Ubaldo Jimenez talks. Perhaps Cash “listened” on Montero, led O’Dowd to complimentary pieces Betances and Nova, only to pull them once officially offering Montero. When that didn’t get O’Dowd to budge, Cashman pulled Montero and inserted an entirely new centerpiece (Hughes) and a bunch of players O’Dowd never even suggested in the first place.

    A total waste of time.

  129. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    YT-

    The Amazing Kreskin says no. They just traded for Fister.

    sorry. Keep dreaming though. We need that.

    ;)

  130. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    My bold prediction today. Wandy to the Red Sox.
    ————————-
    Blake-While I often agree with you, I don’t believe the RS want to add that much payroll and exceed the luxury tax limits.

    Liriano is still out there.

  131. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    think the Yankees are going to go hard after Bell & try to shorten their games to 6 innings with the lead

  132. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am

    What derailed the Harden deal? Anyone know?

  133. Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Re Medical records vs Physical

    People are getting confused and saying silly things about the obvious.

    Medical records are Jimenez’s team medical history as opposed to a physical. Feliciano got a physical, how did that work out.

    Secondly, Colorado traded Jimenez for two pitchers comparable to Nova and Betances and secondary players. I guess Montero was the Yankee penalty tax.

  134. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    YT-

    Good point on Liriano.

    Needs to come cheap because he’s another injury waiting to happen.

  135. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Trader,

    How.much would Boston have to add this year to get Wandy……I said it was a bold prediction ;) probably wont happen……thy need a starter worse than the Yankees though if Butthoktz is hurt badly.

  136. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I guess you’ll never know Bret the Hitman.

  137. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    # Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2011 at 9:38 am

    What derailed the Harden deal? Anyone know?
    —————————-
    Sox didn’t like the looks of his medical records

  138. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    How about this perspective: Props to our farm. Hughes loses velocity and there is Nova in the wings available to compensate. Meanwhile Noesi is filling in admirably as a RP who can start if we ever need him to. We have two kid pitching prospects in AA who are top 25-50 prospects in all of baseball. Meanwhile we have trade chips galore if we need to use them. We should count our blessings regarding how deep our system is, especially our pitching. The Jimenez deal was an overpay, and we were wise not to bite.

  139. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    The Red Sox looked over Harden’s physicals/history records, and decided to squash the trade. They, like Cashman was trying to do with regards to Jimenez, did their due diligence.

  140. NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Plaxico is a Jet!!

  141. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    nobody here excited about H Bell…..

  142. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Buchholz’s back by all accounts is iffy. There is doubt he will be able to come back this season and even if he does his effectiveness is in question. Arms are injury risks at every level. You can never have enough pitching.

    6-man rotation for just this week is a possibility. It will line Colon up to pitch during RS series next weekend.

  143. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    # NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Plaxico is a Jet!!
    ——————————
    not surprised

  144. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am
    Plaxico is a Jet!
    _______
    Really? Awesome! :)

  145. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Disclaimer: That’s just a theory/speculation which is what we’re all doing so please go light on the critiques and try not to make this personal. It’s just that when I profile Cashman, I think he oozes a very abrasive uppity nature that rubs baseball types the wrong way. I see Cashman as a country club GM, a limousine GM, a spoiled brat type GM and I strongly suspect it’s no coincidence that he has come up empty handed so many times at the trade deadline and off season recently. I remember ESPN once aired a trade deadline special where Jeffrey Moorad, agent of Manny Ramirez at the time fielded a call from Cashman when the Yankees were pursuing Manny and Moose as free agents. From the first conversation, Cashman tried to push Moorad into moving faster because the Yankees “had some other things” they wanted to move onto. Moorad was turned off from the beginning of the courting process.

    What I want to know is…what happened between Cashman, Cliff Lee and his agent?

  146. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Wandy is making 7.5 million this year…..so.an.acquiring team would only be paying about 3 million on this years luxury tax from.what I can tell…..

  147. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:45 am

    # yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Buchholz’s back by all accounts is iffy. There is doubt he will be able to come back this season and even if he does his effectiveness is in question. Arms are injury risks at every level. You can never have enough pitching.

    6-man rotation for just this week is a possibility. It will line Colon up to pitch during RS series next weekend.
    ———————————

    Boston SP Clay Buchholz will visit another specialist for his injured back and will not throw off a mound until at least after that meeting, the Boston Globe reported Wednesday. Boston is reporting that Buchholz visiting the specialist is just precautionary and not a setback. Still, it does constitute another delay in his return to the mound.

  148. NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:45 am

    AdamSchefter Adam Schefter

    Filed to ESPN: Plaxico Burress will sign with the N.Y. Jets. Confirmed. 1-year deal for $3,017,000, fully guaranteed. Plax is a Jet.
    21 minutes ago

  149. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Blake- For luxury tax purposes it actually looks like they can add payroll. At around 164M now.
    Chart attached:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dFJHNHQzMXVTdzg2ck40MVMxX21kVEE&output=html

  150. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Bo-

    I think you made an excellent point.

    There is a distinction to be made between a Player’s medical records and a
    physical.

    The medical records being offered appears to be an optional thing whereas the physical should be mandatory.

    I don’t blame Cashman for wanting to see the full Monty nor do I blame O’Dowd for not wanting to reveal an entire medical history.

    In the end, and given the circumstances with U-Jim’s reduced velo, I can see our guys insisting on as much info. as possible.

    Just wasn’t meant to be.

  151. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am

    I’m lobbing for Heath Bell

  152. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    And I’m starting to wonder what really happened between Jack Z and Cashman last year.

    —————–
    Occma’s Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the best one. The Yankees had a deal in principal with the Mariners, which included Montero, the big prize they wanted, and the Mariners backed out at the last second. The fact that Cashman had yielded on MOntero blows a gigantic hole in your hypothesis.

  153. NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Well here we are a few hours til the deadline and the Yanks have stood pat. Banking on the health of these SP is risky to last the rest of the season is alot to ask for. I wonder what Ubaldos physical will determine today. Heath Bell anyone??

  154. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:48 am

    The distinction between physical and medical records would explain a lot. It’s certainly seems plausible now. I thought that the Rox supposed refusal to allow a physical sounded sillly.

  155. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:45 am
    AdamSchefter Adam Schefter

    Filed to ESPN: Plaxico Burress will sign with the N.Y. Jets. Confirmed. 1-year deal for $3,017,000, fully guaranteed. Plax is a Jet.
    21 minutes ago
    _____
    Great news with no Braylon in the mix. Looks like Plaxico used Giants as leverage. Paying my overpriced season ticket installments just got more tolerable.

  156. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I guess you’ll never know Bret the Hitman.

    *********

    No doubt about that. It’s just speculation but it’s fun.

  157. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    . Boston is reporting that Buchholz visiting the specialist is just precautionary and not a setback.
    ————————————————-
    joeman-
    He has an appt. tomorrow, I day after the TD. RS didn’t want any possible bad news leaked that would add to their cost of making a trade.

  158. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    We still have about 6 hours until trade deadline, so may make a move yet. Also we will still be able to get a pitcher off waivers post trade deadline if need be.

  159. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Joeman – thanks for the info.

  160. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am
    Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    And I’m starting to wonder what really happened between Jack Z and Cashman last year.

    —————–
    Occma’s Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the best one. The Yankees had a deal in principal with the Mariners, which included Montero, the big prize they wanted, and the Mariners backed out at the last second. The fact that Cashman had yielded on MOntero blows a gigantic hole in your hypothesis.

    ********

    Like me, you have limited information. You only know what Cashman and Jack Z leaked to front office officials and the press. How many private conversations did they have? I bet, many.

  161. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Trader,

    That’s what im saying…..they coukd easily fit him under the threshhold this hear and even shop him this.winter if they wanted……just saying.

  162. jpb173 July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I’ve had a feeling that Cashman wasn’t going to do a major trade at the dealine and I’m even more convinced of that now.

    One area that it might make sense for a minor deal would be for utility infielder (mainly someone who can play SS and 2B). The health of Eric Chavez isn’t a sure thing and Eduardo Nunez makes too many errors…I’m afraid he might hurt us at a bad time in a big game. If the Yankees can pick up a veteran 2B/SS with a reliable glove (and throwing arm) they can send Nunez back to Scranton until rosters are expanded in September. That would give Nunez a chance to play every day to work on his fielding/throwing. Then in September we could recall Nunez and have planty of infield depth (Chavez, Nunez and new utility infielder) with an opportunity to choose which two to take into the playoffs..

  163. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:52 am

    # Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    . Boston is reporting that Buchholz visiting the specialist is just precautionary and not a setback.
    ————————————————-
    joeman-
    He has an appt. tomorrow, I day after the TD. RS didn’t want any possible bad news leaked that would add to their cost of making a trade.
    —————————————————————————–
    have to believe he won’t be ready for another month at least, it’s possible if they get another SP they could shut him down for the year

  164. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I read from Boston papers over past few days that it was hush hush but that there was much speculation about Buchholz’s injury being worse than originally reported to the point where they had no choice but to go get another pitcher. We shall see…

  165. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:48 am
    Well here we are a few hours til the deadline and the Yanks have stood pat. Banking on the health of these SP is risky to last the rest of the season is alot to ask for. I wonder what Ubaldos physical will determine today. Heath Bell anyone??
    ———————————-
    Would rather have Michael Adams who is not a FA and he’s death to lefties also.
    Don’t think either one will be a Yankee.
    Matt Thornton, although another expensive reliever, if the asking price in terms of talent comes down, will probably get traded today.

  166. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    # Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Joeman – thanks for the info.
    ——————————————–
    lot of people were on it….

  167. NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    They say that Bucholz laptop battery life lasts only for a few years.

  168. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Blake

    Your Braves are getting Bourn!

  169. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    I’m completely in favor of Nova back in the rotation and Hughes to the pen for the rest of the season. Maybe he can build back up to being a starter, but we’ve seen enough to know that he can’t maintain velocity beyond 50 pitches.

    With Nova in the rotation and Hughes in the pen two of Ayala, Noesi and Wade need to go one way or the other, possible in a deal for a bat. They don’t need 13 pitchers anymore.

    Another option I guess is Hughes to Scranton but I doubt that would happen.

  170. NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Lets go get Danks and Thornton today Cashman!!

  171. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Trader,

    Thornton. With relievers I always want who will cost less in prospects

  172. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am

    # Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    NYY fan in NH July 31st, 2011 at 9:48 am
    Well here we are a few hours til the deadline and the Yanks have stood pat. Banking on the health of these SP is risky to last the rest of the season is alot to ask for. I wonder what Ubaldos physical will determine today. Heath Bell anyone??
    ———————————-
    Would rather have Michael Adams who is not a FA and he’s death to lefties also.
    Don’t think either one will be a Yankee.
    Matt Thornton, although another expensive reliever, if the asking price in terms of talent comes down, will probably get traded today.
    ————————————–
    don’t think they were interested in moving Adams but they do want to move Bell, Yankees have scouted him for the last 2 weekss

  173. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Funny I though Bucholz and Sux were powered by vast quantities of untapped natural gas.

    Oh well, I must have been wrong again.

    :(

  174. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Lgy,

    They are? Yay! I wanted them to get Upton though…..but bourn is good

  175. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    If they move Nova to the rotation, I’d rather see Hughes in AAA (or wherever there’s room) than in the bullpen. He needs to work as a starter not a relief pitcher. And he certainly doesn’t need the pressure of coming into a game as a relief pitcher.

  176. blake July 31st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    SI_JonHeyman #braves land bourn
    1 minute ago

    SI_JonHeyman #yanks are in on heath bell. #tradedeadline
    3 minutes ago

  177. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Interesting to see if we add a bullpen arm. I wonder if Soriano’s velo will be an issue going forward. He sat 89-91, and only hit above 91 twice (92, 93).

  178. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Blake-

    Very happy for our #2 team the Braves:

    Braves acquired center fielder Michael Bourn from the Astros for four minor leaguers, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. He says the deal is done and will be announced shortly

  179. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    SI_JonHeyman #yanks are in on heath bell. #tradedeadline

    3 minutes ago

    **********

    And they were “all over” Jimenez yesterday…until of course they claimed they were “out” 4 days ago.

  180. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Thornton would be a good addition. The White Sox now need another starter as insurance. Who do the Yankees have to swing this deal? Noesi, Mitchell?

  181. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Anyone know who the minor leaguers Braves gave up are?

  182. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Is the Yankees playoff strategy to try to shorten the game ?

  183. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Austinmac,

    How about Hughes + for Carlos Quentin and Matt Thornton?

  184. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Trader,

    Who are the 4 minor leaguers? I don’t prospect hug with the Braves though

  185. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    paste

    Matt Thornton is another name that comes into play. The Yankees badly need another lefty in the bullpen, but their primary target- Randy Choate- appears to not be available as the Marlins want to compete in their new ballpark in 2012.Thornton is expensive ($6 million dollars a year through 2012). Historically he’s been good against LH (.654 career OPS). This could be more of a salary dump (Jerry Reisendorf wants to cut payroll) so it’s conceivable the Yankees will not have to give up a top prospect. The Yanks have also expressed interest in DH Carlos Quentin, but many believe Chicago’s preference is to send him to the National League (Atlanta?).

  186. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Interesting to see if we add a bullpen arm. I wonder if Soriano’s velo will be an issue going forward. He sat 89-91, and only hit above 91 twice (92, 93).
    ————————
    Yankeefem-
    Looked liek Soriano was pitching very easily and threw a lot of off-speed stuff. Seems like he could crank a few more mph out of the fastball.

  187. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    # MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Is the Yankees playoff strategy to try to shorten the game ?
    —————————————————–
    if no #2 SP is brought in this has to be the way to go

  188. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Joeman,

    Good thing Kenny Williams just lost Atlanta as a trade destination for Quentin.

  189. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:05 am

    YT, hope so. He himself commented about his decreased velocity, but no pain is key, and he is just back, so I am hopeful. If he is right, our bp is filthy. But would love one more RP who can get out lefties.

  190. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Don’t know who the 4 players are yet. Bourn is a fine CF’er. Could Jordan Schafer be part of the deal?

  191. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:05 am

    And maybe kick the offense up a notch ?

  192. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:06 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Joeman,

    Good thing Kenny Williams just lost Atlanta as a trade destination for Quentin.
    ———————————
    just saw that…these teams are at it early today…could be a lot of moves today

  193. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:07 am

    How about Nova and Noesi for Danks and Thornton? It would seem to give the Sox depth and salary relief while giving th Yankees what they need.

  194. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:08 am

    SI_JonHeyman none of #braves big 4 pitchers is involved. #astros sending some $ to braves in 4 for 1 trade for bourn.
    1 minute ago

    SI_JonHeyman #rockies asked yankees for betances, montero, nova and hughes for ubaldo. #yankees countered with hughes & others.
    4 minutes ago

    Lol….not thanks on that Rox. Thats a lot more than Cleveland paid…..a lot more. The best player in the deal that happened is in A ball

  195. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Yankeefem-

    My preference would be Mike Adams but Heath Bell would be fine, as long as Montero is kept.

    SOROBELLMO

    A beautiful italian word!! :)

  196. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am

    With Soriano’s elbow the slider is the concern, not velocity. He’ll get the speed up as he builds arm strength. The slider looked very good on TV.

    I’m not convinced Hughes can get to where he can sustain 93+ beyond 50 pitches. I think the bullpen is fine as is, but if Ayala and Wade can get them Heath Bell that’s a no brainer — though you’d then have THREE closers.

    I’d rather get a big bat than a bull-pen arm at this stage. Cuddyer with his versatility would be a great fit Quentin is strictly a DH as fas as I’m concerned, but he’d be a good one. Posada vs RHP and Jones vs LHP has been reasonably effective lately, but an upgrade and A-Rod’s return could make this lineup nasty.

  197. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:10 am

    “SOROBELLMO”

    yes. I can certify that it means “lockdown” in Italian.

    ;)

  198. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:11 am

    If what Heyman just tweeter is true then there is no winder why the Yankees can ever make a deal……teams just won’t deal fairly with them. That’s a crazy offer that the Rockies proposed……

  199. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:12 am

    After seeing top outfield trade candidates Carlos Beltran and Hunter Pence land with National League rivals, Braves GM made a splash today by acquiring center fielder Michael Bourn and cash from the Astros for center fielder Jordan Schafer, southpaw Double-A starter Brett Oberholtzer, righty Double-A starter Paul Clemens, and righty Triple-A reliever Juan Abreu. The Astros announced the deal via press release

  200. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Don’t trade Nova! He’s as good or better than anyone available out there.

    Danks isn’t going anywhere.

  201. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    YT, Sorobellmo has a nicer (more Mediterranean) ring to it than Soroadmo; however, I too would prefer Adams.

  202. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    SI_JonHeyman #astros get OF schafer, pitchers oberholtzer, clemns, abreu for bourn, as @jaysonst reported
    6 minutes ago

    Nice deal….better than giving up Minor for Pence as a CF is what they really needed.

  203. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Lol….not thanks on that Rox. Thats a lot more than Cleveland paid…..a lot more. The best player in the deal that happened is in A ball

    ——-

    The key there is paid, not asked for.

    The Yankees did the same thing with Greinke. Complained about the price but didn’t actually do any negotiating.

  204. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    None of the three pitchers are top 50 prospects, but they did rank ninth, 26th, and 27th respectively for the Braves on Baseball America’s preseason rankings. Oberholtzer, 22, ranked ninth and is seen as a potential third or fourth starter in the big leagues.

  205. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Bell is gaining Mo…..

  206. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Bell’s K rate has declined to 6.5 from 10 and 11 the prior two years. That is a cause for concern. I would do what I could for Thornton instead.

  207. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Bret,

    Cashman represents the Yankees. Perhaps the illusion of entitlement lies in the eyes of the other GM’s/agents. As in they expect the rich kid to pay more in terms of prospects or money. Who wants to be the guy that doesn’t get them most out of the Yankees?

    Of course this is all speculation as well. The truth is that all GMs/ agents just want the best deal. The Yankees are in the position to give that. Perhaps the Rockies knew they were never going to get that package from the Yankees but were using it to drive up the price from other clubs?

  208. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    LGY,

    We don’t know if they negoicaited….but sounds like when they refused the physical Cashman broke it off or greatly reduced his offer

  209. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    The Braves wanted Gardner over Melky last year. Now they get a Gardner clone.

    A very good deal for the Braves.

  210. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    86, agree about slider looking good and it being affected by the elbow, but still would like Soriano’s velocity to increase to where it is in the 92+ range. I expect that will be the case going forward as long as his arm is healthy.

  211. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Bell only costs moolah.

    Thornton would cost prospects and moolah.

    Maybe they want additional closer insurance too.

    I like Thornton depending on who would have to go.

  212. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Anyone notice Jeter tied Palmeiro (3,020) for 24th All-time?

    Four more to pass Lou Brock, 34 more to pass Rod Carew, 36 to pass Rickey Henderson and 41 gets him to 3,061, ahead of Craig Biggio and # 20 in MLB History!

    Virtually certain to be # 20 by the end of the year. Pretty awesome.

  213. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Obviously the Rockies asked for too much, so moving on………

    Phil in the pen would be a mistake for more than one reason – and anyway, it’s not a place where miracles happen. Being in the pen may increase his velocity, but it won’t give that life back to his FB, nor will it make him put hitters away with 2 strikes. The only option for him is AAA

  214. Kelvin July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    This makes no sense that the Yankees are in on Heath bell

  215. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    LGY, it does seem odd that Cashman didn’t try to talk the Rockies down at all

  216. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Blake-

    It’s not clear what went down with O’Dowd.

    One theory would be that Cash asked for, and was turned down on, complete medical records.

    I don’t think a physical could have been the issue.

    That would seem to be a given. Cleveland is getting one.

  217. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    MTU,

    I think Bell will cost more than money. Their are others who want him.

  218. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    My neighbor growing up restored cars. He would by old clunkers, retore them and sell them for a profit. He restored a car, some 1960s convertible, and put an add in the paper with a price. Well it turns out the person most interested in buying it was none other than Bruce Springsteen. When Springsteen offered to buy the car, my neighbor jacked up the price because the Boss was a millionaire. The Boss refused.

  219. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Mac-

    So you are saying that a trade of Bell would not be a salary dump and that the Pads would be more interested in obtaining quality prospects ?

    Certainly possible.

  220. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    LGY, it does seem odd that Cashman didn’t try to talk the Rockies down at all

    ———

    It looks like he didn’t want Ubaldo unless the price was dirt cheap.

  221. Tar July 31st, 2011 at 10:27 am

    That’s insane what the Rox were asking. I still think Cash is sending a message. You ask for the moon, I will counter with Hoboken. You want a fair deal let’s talk reality.

    (no offense Hoboken)

  222. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:28 am

    LGY, I guess not. I don’t know what they expected to pay for a #2 starter………..Nova and Betances with no Montero? Has to be more than that……..

  223. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The Padres are not going to keep Heath Bell and settle for draft picks when he departs as a free agent. They are not going to use him to close meaningless games in the final two months of the season.

    Bell will be traded Sunday before the non-waiver deadline at 4 p.m. ET, according to a source familiar with the Padres’ thinking. The Rangers remain the front-runner, the source said, but the Cardinals remain in the mix and the Phillies and Yankees are showing late interest.

    The Padres will make two and possibly three trades Sunday, with Bell, outfielder Ryan Ludwick and right-hander Chad Qualls the most likely to move, according to the source.”

  224. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Kelvin July 31st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    This makes no sense that the Yankees are in on Heath bell

    ——————————-

    Unless he’s apart of another deal. Not saying I wouldn’t want him but…..

  225. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Braves didn’t give up any of their top ten except Oberholtzer, who has inconsistent secondary stuff, but at least he is a lefty. Abreu’s 26 and projects as a RP. Don’t know much about the other two.

  226. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:31 am

    LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:26 am
    LGY, it does seem odd that Cashman didn’t try to talk the Rockies down at all

    ———

    It looks like he didn’t want Ubaldo unless the price was dirt cheap.

    *********

    Cashman and the front office refuses to acknowledge that prices are always a little higher than the buyer has calculated. The market is formed by slight overpays. The Yankees are ignoring that reality and coming up empty handed. They’re not even searching for the slight overpay because I think they are overconfident in their farm system.

  227. DaSaint007 July 31st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Yankees ‘in’ on Bell?
    Isn’t Phil Hughes from California?

  228. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    LGY,

    I think fair moreso than dirt cheap

  229. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:32 am

    The Yankees probably could have gotten Ubaldo for Montero+ Betances+ filler or Banuelos+ Betances+ filler.

    The key to the Ubaldo deal was the Rockies getting two top prospects.

    The Indians gave them two. The Yankees offered zero.

  230. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Botched.

  231. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Great deal for the bravos

  232. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    LGY, However, Yanks top two are superior prospects as a twosome to Indians’ top two, so right there we are overpaying.

  233. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    LGY,

    We don’t know what they really offered….I wouldn’t have included Montero

  234. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I would never give up Hughes for Bell.

    Surely, you jest ?

    :)

  235. DaSaint007 July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Yankee farm system is now one of the top 5 in all baseball. Stocked with catching and pitching depth that other teams are salivating over, and therefore willing to ask for the moon in negotiations with the Yankees.

    There’s nothing that scares the other 29 teams more than the concept of the Yankees with the financial resources and willingness to use them, PLUS the talent waiting in the wings that could be under affordable team control for several years. This means, conceptually, that the Yankees could be free to target any FA they choose and most likely get their target.

  236. Squeakzy26 July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Yanks got Heath bell? Seriously more bullpen arms is what we need, we might as well trade for 5 more closer so they can come in in the 3rd inning when AJ blows it up

  237. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    The Yankees desires as the TD approached were a SP, a LHRP and a RH bat. Will they fill any of these desires? I think not.

    Instead of Spahn, Sain and pray for rain, it is CC and pray for health.

    I do wonder why Cashman now seems to have number of teams and GMs who he has trouble with–Rockies, Twins, Mariners. Is it always because of the other teams or is Cashman the common denominator?

  238. 108 stitches July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Add Dan O’Dowd of Colorado to join Jack Zduriencik of Seattle and Bill Smith of Minnesota as GM’s that Cashman will be skeptical to deal with. All want an orchard for an apple.
    Happy that the Jimenez shilly shally is over with.
    The last best hope is that Kenny Williams will deal John Danks for Phil Hughes and maybe Adam Warren.

  239. Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    The Yankees at this time have 7 starting pitchers counting Noesi.

    Nova/Noesi are #3A/3B on the Yankee pitching staff after Colon with their pitching arsenal. They lack experience – that’s why they’re called rookies. One way to cure that.

    Colon and Garcia are stopgaps until the two gain experience.

    Developing pitchers and then trading them for experience when they are already successful in the Majors would seem to be an oxymoron.

    Hughes somehow lost mph and control on his FB. Until it returns he is not an option in the starting rotation. This keeping him in the rotation is hype and spin. At this point he’s lost his job to Nova.

    endit

  240. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    LGY, we’ll never know, but I don’t think I would have given up Montero – mostly because I’m worried about the age and inconsistency of this lineup. Outside of Montero, we have no really good hitting prospect.

  241. Yogi Mantle July 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Complained about the price but didn’t actually do any negotiating.

    +++++++++++++

    And you know this?

    It is amazing that a number of posters here think that Cashman has never negotiated any deals, just goes with the first offer and then says “nope”.

    Right. This is more about some haters of Cashman looking to justify their hate of the man over anything of substance.

  242. randy l. July 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “Ivan Nova belongs up here. The rookie is 9-4 with a 4.01 ERA.”

    do you think?

    :)

  243. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Whats rumored to be the asking price for Bell?

  244. DaSaint007 July 31st, 2011 at 10:38 am

    MTU, did I say that? :-)

    Of course, if Hughes is a starter, then maybe not. But if Hughes really projects as a reliever…

  245. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Yankeefem

    That may be the case or it may not be. I’m sure there are several in the industry with a different opinion and quite possibly the Rockies are one of them.

  246. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Well, there ya go.

    It wasn’t Hughes and “eh.”

    And not a fit of pique.

  247. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I would trade Hughes + for Danks.

    Trouble is the WS wouldn’t.

    :(

  248. blake July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Joelsherman1 #Yankees have checked in on Bell, but as of this morn Yanks and #Padres not opimistic there is common ground for trade
    4 minutes ago

    Joelsherman1 Column nyp.st/prT6Ui #Yankees worries about Ubaldo’s health was key to directing him away from Brons and to #Indians. #Rockies
    about 1 hour ago

  249. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    how about a Thorton and Bell…..

  250. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Rumor now unfolding. Heath Bell coming to Yankees in a 3 team trade with Indians. Jimenez to Yankees.

    NOT TRUE

  251. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “And you know this?”

    ——————–

    Because every report regarding these dealings indicate that to be the case.

  252. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:41 am

    austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I do wonder why Cashman now seems to have number of teams and GMs who he has trouble with–Rockies, Twins, Mariners. Is it always because of the other teams or is Cashman the common denominator?

    ********

    Occum’s razor. Cashman is the common denominator and he is spinning blame onto the rest of the league. It’s definitely not a coincidence that he comes up empty handed. No #2. No RH bat. No LHRP.

  253. Squeakzy26 July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I hope Cashman does not give up one of his beloved under achieving prospects for a 2 months set up man rental.

  254. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    It’s amazing all the angst some of you have over the starting pitching when Colon, Garcia, AJ and Nova ALL have better ERA (league adjusted) than anyone who has been supposedly available.

    The grass isn’t always greener gang.

    Betsy, don’t make silly assumptions about what going to the bullpen will and will not accomplish for Phil Hughes. That might be where he belongs and it might get life back in his fastball. His first 40 pitchers have been MUCH better than his next group (40 or sometimes less).

    Papelbon, Rivera, Gossage, Eckersley and Righetti are all guys whose teams moved them to the pen in part because they couldn’t consistently sustain velocity beyond 50 pitches.

    A five year old can look at the numbers and see how much more effective Hughes has been as a reliever than a starter.

  255. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Where are all those who were calling for Swishers head?

  256. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    OK now people want to give up Hughes for a reliever.

    OK OK OK.

    Hughes won 18 games last year. He probably did more out of he bullpen down the stretch in ’09 than anyone else to secure our pull-away win of the division.

    He’s probably dealing with “the year after” syndrome that deprived Verlander of his velocity once upon a time (& had Tigers’ fans wanting to deal him away).

    Hughes’ future is on hold, it isn’t over.

  257. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Saint-

    I hope not. I see your point if true.

    I think Hughes can still bounce back. Question is when.

  258. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    No, there’s never common ground with the Yankees and other teams, lol.

    Well if the Yankees were worried about Jimenez’ health, then so be it …….watch, he’ll probably be magnificently healthy

  259. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 10:43 am

    86, we’ll just have to disagree………

  260. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:43 am

    LGY, not sure about your leap to the Rockies thinking that our top two weren’t better than those of the Indians? However, all “neutral” mid-season rankings disagree with that assessment. Not that I hold those in any high esteem, but others here might.

  261. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 10:44 am

    They are concern trolling on Jimenez’ health. Remember the tweet about the Yankees concerned with Jimenez’ delivery? That’s how they opened negotiations. Very hostile.

  262. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:45 am

    MTU, I too am not giving up on Hughes as a SP just yet. This is what I mean about fatal conclusions about young SP’s. They will take their lumps and have velocity dips. That is the nature of the pitching beast.

  263. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 10:45 am

    # randy l. July 31st, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “Ivan Nova belongs up here. The rookie is 9-4 with a 4.01 ERA.”

    do you think?

    :)

    ——————————–

    He has been one of the surprises this yr. I know ppl get down on him for not having a high ceiling and being a back end starter but I’ll take what he’s given us. :)

  264. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:45 am

    None of us has any idea if Cashman isn’t working on something quietly that they’ll spring on us today around 3 p.m.

    If he isn’t, though, that’s fine with me. I still say bringing up Montero is the best move we could make. What will some people say if we make up the two games & win the division??

  265. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Bret, Yanks no doubt, just trying to set the parameters of how they viewed Jimenez and what they would give up for him: 1.) not an ace, 2.) health an issue. Negotiating ploy or reality that is what the Yanks were categorizing Ujim as.

  266. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 10:47 am

    yankeefeminista,

    Because it wasn’t better then ours. Which is why when Felix becomes avaliable they will ask for Montero,Betances,Banuelos,Sanchez,Nova and Bichette and then they will trade him for Jerkface and a blogger to be named later

  267. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:48 am

    parameters *for* not “of*

  268. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Dog walk time.

  269. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 10:48 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Where are all those who were calling for Swishers head?

    ———————————-

    Calling for Hughes’ head

  270. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:48 am

    # West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Where are all those who were calling for Swishers head?
    ————————————————————
    got him in a trade about 3 weeks ago…very happy

  271. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    The Yankees could get to game 7 in the world series and Mo could blow the game in the 9th (I think I saw this movie before) and some people on here would still blame Cash for not getting Ubaldo which cost us the series

  272. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 10:36 am

    The Yankees at this time have 7 starting pitchers counting Noesi.

    Nova/Noesi are #3A/3B on the Yankee pitching staff after Colon with their pitching arsenal. They lack experience – that’s why they’re called rookies. One way to cure that.

    Colon and Garcia are stopgaps until the two gain experience.

    Developing pitchers and then trading them for experience when they are already successful in the Majors would seem to be an oxymoron.

    Hughes somehow lost mph and control on his FB. Until it returns he is not an option in the starting rotation. This keeping him in the rotation is hype and spin. At this point he’s lost his job to Nova.

    ============

    Hughes hasn’t lost his job to Nova until Girardi says so. My guess is that it’s up to Rothschild’s assessment of Hughes’ progress. If Rothschild thinks that Hughes is almost there, then I think that Hughes will get the chance. If not, then Nova will get the nod. Of course, there isn’t much time left in the season, and if Nova is going to get a start in the postseason, then he needs all the work in the big leagues that he can get between here and October. This is quite a quandary, because it’s pretty clear that Girardi doesn’t want to give up on Hughes just yet.

  273. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    yankeefem

    I’m just saying I don’t think it’s fair to conclude that the Yankees prospects are better than the Indians just based on these rankings. Even if they are better the difference in a few spots in the rankings is marginal.

    And it’s not like it’s the Rockies fault if the Yankees don’t have a “worse” top prospect. They wanted two top guys. They got two from the Indians.

  274. yankee21 July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Glad the Jimenez deal fell through. I don’t get the rhyme or reason to trade 2-3 elite prospects + Nova for a pitcher that has basically been mediocre for a year while pitching in a division that is notoriously pitcher friendly. Yes, Jimenez has shown dominance in some starts since then but there is no consistency. Certainly not an ace caliber guy and arguably not even a decent #2.

    Regarding Hughes, I don’t see how the BP would/should be an option for him. What specifically would be Hughes’ outpitch coming out of the BP? Has he once thrown a FB at 94+ since his return? Has he shown any type of consistent secondary offering? He doesn’t have an outpitch, he has no velocity on his FB and he hasn’t shown a consistent second pitch in a long time. Good hitting teams will just sit dead red, ignore his sloppy secondary pitches and mash the hell out of him.

    The best move for NYY and for Hughes would be what 99% of the clubs do with young arms that are not performing, they send them down for more work. Phil should be optioned to AAA to work on his secondary pitches, he serves no value being on the big club right now.

  275. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Triple, and we all know who that BTBNL is. :D

  276. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Jimenez couldn’t lead his team out of the first inning before throwing what 45 pitches yesterday against an AGon-less offense. He was gonna lead us to the Holy Grail against stacked AL East lineups?

  277. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    HeathBell21Heath Bell

    Sounds like I might be in the playoff race tomorrow…we will see! But I’m excited to see what happens. #tradedeadline

  278. Yank 97 July 31st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Says a lot about Hughes that he was the guy Cash used to halfheartedly negotiate with the Rockies, for a guy they took their 4 best prospects off the table for, had concerns about, and were not even assured of a physical.

  279. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    yankees21

    Agree 100%

  280. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Ghost, when asked by a reporter, Girardi implied that they may go to 6-man rotation this week, have both Hughes and Nova start, and set up Colon for Boston opened on Friday. If true, interesting to see what happens after that. However, if Hughes continues to struggle, starting in AAA is the ticket over Yanks BP, at least for now.

  281. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 10:53 am

    LGY,

    Yes they gave up 2 top guys but where is the equivalent to Nova?

  282. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:53 am

    The only thing it says is that there are no true “untouchables” if the situation presents itself.

  283. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    AndrewMarchand
    Bad news for Hughes? I asked Rothschild if he could see 6-man rotation? He said, “I don’t think so.”

  284. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    paste…

    During the winter of 2007-2008 the Yankees passed up on Johan Santana because they didn’t want to part with Phil Hughes. That deal didn’t haunt them in the long run as CC Sabathia has proven to be a better investment, and cost just an expensive free agent contract. Hughes was a big part of the 2009 championship team as he served as the middle inning bridge to Mariano Rivera. Last year, he got off to a hot start (10-1, 3.17). He struggled the rest of the year, and was hit hard by Texas in the ALCS. You could argue that Hughes ineffectiveness cost the Yankees a trip to the World Series.

    There has been scuttlebutt that Hughes early season problems were related to a poor offseason workout regimen. He seems to be improving since his return from the disabled list, but the Yankees trying to sell him as a “problem” to Colorado tells you all you need to know. It sounds like the brass has soured on Hughes and I wouldn’t be surprised if he spends some time back in the bullpen the rest of this year. Ivan Nova has long been a Brian Cashman favorite. His 7 innings of 2 run ball may warrant giving him Hughes’s spot in the rotation.

    If the Yankees aren’t going to acquire a veteran starter – and right now that appears that may be the case- it’s time to step up and give the kids a chance. Choose from the Nova, Hughes, and Adam Warren group. They have no choice but to rely on Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia. Right now, they are auditioning for Game 4 of a playoff series.

    Maybe the best case scenario is hold on to all prospects (don’t even deal one for a reliever), move Hughes to the bullpen, and give Nova the starting job. Cashman can try to acquire a second lefty either today or through waivers.

    By the way. Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, and Phil Hughes were all in the Yankees rotation in 2008. Hughes is a mess, Joba is out for the season with a bum elbow, and Ian Kennedy is 12-3 with a 3.22 ERA for Arizona. You just never know how these kids will turn out.

  285. RadioKev July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I never thought Jimenez was a fit for this team. What they were asking for was insane, and they settled for less. The Yankee tax strikes again.

  286. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Odds, the ‘heads’ may change, but the venom does not.

  287. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    J. Alfred,

    I believe we would all be happy if they catch the Sox. Don’t confuse concerns with disinterest. Until they show they can compete with thenRed Sox head to head, concerns are, IMO, justified.

    Yes, I do remember 2009. This, however, is 2011, and thus far they haven’t been competitive.

  288. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:55 am

    LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am
    AndrewMarchand
    Bad news for Hughes? I asked Rothschild if he could see 6-man rotation? He said, “I don’t think so.”
    ____
    Interesting; Girardi was more on the fence about the possibility.

  289. RadioKev July 31st, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Excited to see Montero get the call up now. You’ve got to believe it’s just a matter of days away.

  290. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 10:49 am
    The Yankees could get to game 7 in the world series and Mo could blow the game in the 9th (I think I saw this movie before) and some people on here would still blame Cash for not getting Ubaldo which cost us the series
    ///

    Classically true

  291. DaSaint007 July 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    For the record, I’d rather trade Soriano than Hughes, but SD certainly wants players with no real salary vs. whats left of $35M, even if the Yankees were to throw in $8-$10M, so there’s absolutely no possiblility of that, and I understand that.

    If I put Nova in the rotation, and Hughes in the pen, I don’t think Hughes would do any less than Soriano on any given day.

    That said, and I am serious, I have doubts about Soriano, both physically and his make up. I think the Yankee pen has done just fine without him, and if Robertson can hold on to the 8th inning job, then Soriano becomes a really expensive 7th inning guy/insurance policy for Mo. There are teams that need an experienced closer, and the Yankees are not one of them.

  292. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Triple,

    You are trying to equate what the Rockies asked for from the Yankees and what they ultimately dealt him for to the Indians.

    If you want to complain about a Yankee tax you need to know what the Rockies originally asked the Indians for.

    We have no idea what would have been required from the Yankees to make a trade because they basically cut off negotiations 4 days ago.

  293. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    It’s also not yet August.

    Let’s see if Boston can negotiate through August. It is a month where they have swooned before.

  294. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:56 am

    5 hours to go. Hopefully, Montero is safe. Free Jesus!

  295. G. Love July 31st, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Nova was brilliant last night. Yeah, he was staked to a 12 run lead in the 1st, but he still pitched his game and didn’t wet himself on the mound because he had that lead to pitch to.

    When the Yankees get criticized for pitcher development I say look at Nova. He’s gotten markedly better since the first time we’ve see him.

    At this point denying he’s one of the 5 starters (and probably 4 best) the Yankees have is being stubborn and stupid.

    I’m glad he didn’t get deal and all I have to say to the Rockies is if they had a chance to get Nova and plug him into that rotation & Montero, they are morons for not just taking those 2 alone and giving the Yankees the physical they required.

    The Yankees had every right to ask for a physical. They were paying top dollar prices. If they wanted the guy to get picked over pre-trade they should have gotten it. Colorado saying no would have killed the deal for me to.

    At this point adding back Nova, Arod, Soriano to the club is probably the best moves the team can make. Ubaldo would have been a great pickup, but there was pretty clearly a Yankee tax attached to him in a deal with us. While the guy Cleveland dealt was highly rated, they were requesting more from the Yankees.

    Nova is the key here. If what we’ve been seeing from him is real, and I believe it is, he’ll end up being one of our top starters for many years.

    The time of marginalizing him for the myth of Phil Hughes needs to end. Nova’s better than AJ. He might be better than Garcia.

    He was throwing 93-94 mph fastballs w/movement last night. Hughes is not capable of that and should not be taking up the spot blocking Nova any longer.

  296. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Girardi is never “committal” in post game interviews. :)

  297. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Radio, if the TD passes without much doing, then the Yanks really should just let Jesus loose on the lineup soon to demonstrate why having him in pinstripes beats the hell out of not.

    If nothing else, they should understand the PR dynamic there.

  298. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Would love to see who the Yankees give up for Heath Bell if rumors are true. Today could be armageddon if Cashman surrenders anything of value for yet another NL West pitcher, a reliever no less from a pitcher friendly park.

  299. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    LGY,

    If they asked for Kipnis or someone else it would have been leaked. You are saying that only Yankee offers get leaked but other teams don’t?

    You seem to think a Yankee tax doesn’t exist

  300. G. Love July 31st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    yanksfem,

    Montero is safe now unless Felix, Gio or Kershaw shake loose. He’s not going anywhere. Hopefully, he makes it to the Bronx now and the Yankees stop treating him like a trade chip and start treating him like an actual player they are excited about.

  301. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Radio Kev – there is nothing that makes me believe a Montero call up is just days away. Nothing at all. They have shown no indication that they even believe they are short of offense from the DH spot.

  302. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Vegas Baby

  303. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    # yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Odds, the ‘heads’ may change, but the venom does not.

    ——————————–

    lol that’s true

  304. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Joe – any luck during ur 4th of July trip?

  305. EA July 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    If they don’t go 6-man this week, then Hughes would start one of the games in Fenway. They need to avoid that at all costs.

  306. Villa Nova-Ya July 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    If Girardi had said no to a six-man rotation, the next question woudl have been, Hughes or Nova? I’m sure he did not want to open that can of worms.

  307. 108 stitches July 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    What’s to like about Ivan Nova ? He wasn’t over hyped and all he did was to cause the minor league people to notice him and he didn’t disappoint. Once he got over the early jitters of being in the big leagues he trusted his stuff which is clearly major league.
    If Cashman / Girardi are so insistent to keep Hughes then use him in the bullpen where his better early inning velocity translates to good relief outings.

  308. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    LGY, it is all semantics, as you yourself have noted. What does “two top guys” even mean? One top guy could be worth another team’s top three.

  309. RadioKev July 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Radio, if the TD passes without much doing, then the Yanks really should just let Jesus loose on the lineup soon to demonstrate why having him in pinstripes beats the hell out of not.

    If nothing else, they should understand the PR dynamic there.
    ————–

    I totally agree. I don’t see a downside in calling him up. He was starting to heat up. Give him some time in the bigs if nothing but for experience for next season.

    I do understand why he wasn’t called up in the month leading up to the trade deadline though, no point in hurting his value if the right trade comes along.

  310. yankee21 July 31st, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Beating the Sox starts in the mound and in the mind. Joe Girardi has cowered against BOS by excusing HBP for wildness, he and the rest of the Yankees are guilty of going into battle against these guys thinking the fight will be fair. So Tex gets plunked so Arod takes one on the back so their hottest hitter whoever that will be can almost be guaranteed to get nailed.

    NYY can no longer excuse that crap, if it costs them the game so be it, if it costs them the series so be it, but it must be eye for an eye, NY pitchers have to stand up for a freaking change aside from CC and hurt some people like the BOS punks consistently do to NY and other teams.

    And the tone needs to be set early in game 1. If NY cowers again then Joe G once again proves he is a nice guy in the wrong job for the Yankees.

    BOS will not just seek to sweep next WE, they will seek to trample, NY must be prepared.

  311. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I don’t like 6 man rotations and I never thought that was a serious consideration…….at this point, Phil has no rope with the Yankees anymore; it’s obvious they don’t think of him as they once did. I expect him to be sent to AAA. In a way it’s too bad because I think he needs to work with Rothschild, but the Yankees need to win games and they have a better chance with Nova than they do with Phil at this point.

  312. Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I wonder how many pitchers are out there that have mid nineties sinkers and three secondary pitches as in Nova/Noesi?

    And these are back end starters on the Yankees. Noesi at this time is the parachute man, he’s not starting. What pitching problems?

  313. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:05 am

    This is the first time Girardi has the ability to configure his pitching as best as possible for Boston…..we’ll see if he does it. Usually he throws 2 of our worst against their best.

  314. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    # Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Joe – any luck during ur 4th of July trip?
    —————————————–
    came home with $$$….was never out there when school was out around the country usually take trips from Sept to early June….that place is like Disney World in the summer…kids all over the place

  315. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Phil Hughes —-

    64 Starts — 26-20, 5.00, 1.391 WHIP, .761 opposing OPS, 7 K/9innings, 2.1 K/W ratio

    46 relief outings — 6-1 (3) 1.35, 0.825 WHIP, .442 opposing OPS, 11.5 K/9inn, 5.2 K/W ratio

    That’s a fairly substantial body of work to consider.

    Maybe Scranton would help him. Maybe he should make the same move Papelbon made a few years ago.

    Either way he has to be moved out of Nova’s way. A 6-man rotation is inane and will not happen. Make a decision in the front office and move on.

  316. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Bo – capable pitching depth is not the problem. Guys who instill fear and give us a decided advantage in their matchup in October is.

  317. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Triple,

    I’m not sure it would have been leaked. Because of the nature of the Yankees the media is always focused on them and trying to get info on them. I used to think there was a Yankee tax in play at times, particularly with AL teams.

    However, following Cashman in recent years I’m starting to think this Yankee tax thing is something he creates as an excuse for himself when he is wary of actually wanting a player. What was originally asked for is leaked, but you can’t compare that to the final price.

    This is a negotiation after all.

    With Greinke and now with Ubaldo other teams were actually motivated enough to talk down the price. If Cashman had that same motivation maybe we are not talking about a Yankee tax.

  318. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    One of Nova’s big assets is having 4 legit pitches that he is getting more comfortable integrating. He always had the latter two, slider and change, but was hesitant to use them even as show me pitches. His trusting those two latter pitches and their being effective is huge. That is the thing that separates him from other prospects who come up with only two pitches. Nova has always had 4 at his disposal and is now using 4+ pitches.

  319. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Bo knows July 31st, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I wonder how many pitchers are out there that have mid nineties sinkers and three secondary pitches as in Nova/Noesi?

    And these are back end starters on the Yankees. Noesi at this time is the parachute man, he’s not starting. What pitching problems?
    =================

    I kep asking myself the same thing. The Cashman FO seems to be a lot smarter and circumspect about keeping their prized young pitching talent than they are at developing it. Hopefully Rothschild can change some of that.

  320. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Joeman – agreed, summer is tough but usually quieter seasonally and I actually like the 110-115 dry heat. That said, I’m probably outside for a total of two hours over a 3 night stay.

    Coming home with $$$ is good, but was it some of the same $$$ u went out with or some of theirs.

  321. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    86, Agree it is inane, and I doubt they would even consider a 6-man with exception of this week. However, if Rothschild has said not this week, then I guess they will make a move. I still see Colon as a starter for Friday though.

  322. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    The slider/cutter is key for Nova.

    It’s a swing and miss pitch that will allow him to have sustained success. It was very promising to see him rely on it last night.

  323. yankee21 July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Nova’s number one asset is his confidence. Everything feeds off of that.

    His ability to throw 95 or a good CB as an outpitch don’t hurt either.

    Nova is part of the solution and should not be a trade chip unless in a package for proven elite talent.

  324. EA July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    jaysonst
    Sources familiar w Ubaldo trade keep cautioning us not to say it’s “done.” That physical today is still a big deal.

  325. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 11:10 am

    ankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    One of Nova’s big assets is having 4 legit pitches that he is getting more comfortable integrating. He always had the latter two, slider and change, but was hesitant to use them even as show me pitches. His trusting those two latter pitches and their being effective is huge. That is the thing that separates him from other prospects who come up with only two pitches. Nova has always had 4 at his disposal and is now using 4+ pitches.
    ============

    The thing that I like most about him is his make-up. The kid is unflappable. Big lead, no lead, good stuff, bad stuff–nothing seems to bother him. He just goes out there and competes every time they hand him the ball. In short, he’s a winner.

  326. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Carlo

    My wife just received a offer from Aria ( she plays slots) 4 nites in a corner suite,invited guest check in $400 in free play & $200 in food comps…..you know I had to ask her a question about how much money she spends out there

  327. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Nobody knows what Cashman offered for any of these pitchers that were moved except him and the opposing GM….. with the notable exception of the Seattle Cliff Lee fiasco when Cashman thought he got screwed and leaked the details.

    It is impossible to draw any conclusions about his trade negotiating strategy based on media (and fellow blogger) supposition.

    There is no such thing as a “Yankee Tax” except maybe within the division. Colorado got what THEY considered the best offer from the Indians and took it, just as Kansas City did with Grienke and Milwaukee and so on.

  328. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Joe – hahaha. That’s nice comp. Aria just had an outbreak of legionnaires disease in the hotel. They need to up the offers now!

  329. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Ghost, Nova is a cool customer, always smiling, and very coachable.

  330. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    # Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Joe – hahaha. That’s nice comp. Aria just had an outbreak of legionnaires disease in the hotel. They need to up the offers now!
    —————————————————————-
    is that what it was I did hear people got sick there, I thought it was something about the water

  331. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    LGY, Brooks calls Nova’s slider a cutter.

  332. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    The only way the “yankee tax” exists is if yankee prospects are viewed by real baseball guys in the same light that they are viewed by yankee fans. I tend to think this is not the case, hence trade packages that don’t look on par with our offers on Lohud are generally very similar in a GM’s eyes.

  333. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Yep, it was legionnaires. Couple arizona st kids got sick.

  334. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Fem,

    Thanks for the info.

    Whatever it is, I like that pitch! :P

  335. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 11:16 am

    austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 10:54 am
    J. Alfred,

    I believe we would all be happy if they catch the Sox. Don’t confuse concerns with disinterest. Until they show they can compete with thenRed Sox head to head, concerns are, IMO, justified.

    Yes, I do remember 2009. This, however, is 2011, and thus far they haven’t been competitive.
    ///

    They haven’t been competitive head to head, but they’re only 2 games back. No doubt the weekend series is important. I see no reason why we can’t still win the division.

    It would be nice to have ARod to compete with the Red Sox this weekend, but he’s not coming back just yet. But no matter what happens in that series, it still won’t tell us what will happen in an ALCS. We’ve got a playoff spot sewn up basically & the division is within reach, but to hear some of the talk on here, we’re doomed because we didn’t go get Ubaldo and sell the farm to do it.

    No ARod this weekend, but if the Yankees want to get a step on giving him & Cano some help when the former returns, they can pick up the phone & tell Montero to pack his bags for NY. They have this option because he’s still a Yankee. I hope he is past 3 p.m. today also, because his bat is way more important, IMO, to this team’s aging lineup & future than Jimenez’ arm would have been. The lineup ain’t what it used to be.

    And competing with the Red Sox is a yesterday, today AND tomorrow kind of affair. They really raked chips off the table in this past draft to make up for their mediocre farm system. Unfortunately for them, those guys they got are far, far away.

    We’ve got 3 guys who are elite. Still have ‘em. They’re also not far, far away, but very, very close indeed. I think Cashman did a good job of self-restraint here to help us compete with the Red Sox for several years to come. That’s how I see what didn’t happen.

  336. EA July 31st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Nova’s “slutter” can be a legit pitch for him and take him to the next level. Love his moxie

  337. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    did have a lot of drinks there that weekend with ice…

  338. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:19 am

    LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:16 am
    Fem,

    Thanks for the info.

    Whatever it is, I like that pitch!
    _____
    Me too! He lost confidence in it, I think, just from not throwing it in the majors, but he used it without hesitation in the minors. He also threw 7 changeups. :)

  339. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:20 am

    J Alfred – I agree with 99% of what u said, but betances and banuelos are far away by most peoples timelines. 2014 isn’t exactly on the horizon. For example, my blackberry calendar for 2014 is empty.

  340. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 11:20 am

    86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Nobody knows what Cashman offered for any of these pitchers that were moved except him and the opposing GM….. with the notable exception of the Seattle Cliff Lee fiasco when Cashman thought he got screwed and leaked the details.

    It is impossible to draw any conclusions about his trade negotiating strategy based on media (and fellow blogger) supposition.

    There is no such thing as a “Yankee Tax” except maybe within the division. Colorado got what THEY considered the best offer from the Indians and took it, just as Kansas City did with Grienke and Milwaukee and so on.
    ====================

    The Yankees are the wealthiest team in baseball.
    The Yankees are strongly motivated to compete for the WS every single year.
    The Yankees have a tendency to paper over their personnel mistakes with money/spare resources.

    These three factors taken together tend to suggest plenty of opportunity for opposing GMs to try to extract premium prices from the Yankees for any of their potential transactions. The only limiting factor is the Yankee FO’s willingness to overpay.

  341. Triple Short of a Cycle July 31st, 2011 at 11:21 am

    LGY,

    How did the Indians talk the Rockies down? Asking Minn to lower the price for Santana was never going to get down to the level of what the Mets gave up. You just think Cash sits on his hands and knees and says I am insulted with that first office and Good day sir? You don’t think Cash attempts to bring the offer down. I get that you don’t think he is a very good GM but come on now

  342. pkyankfan69 July 31st, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Would you trade Romine for Adams? Would the Padres make that deal?
    Would you trade Romine for Bell? Would the Padres make that deal?

  343. 108 stitches July 31st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Some of the best deals you make are the ones you don’t make and Cashman seems to have a good sense for doing so.
    Let’s see how the skipping of Jimenez plays out. Cashman still has plenty of trading chips for the winter deals.
    It’s the same thing as a deal when Alex returns before the end of August. Some good health from Chavez and Soriano equates as making good deals.

  344. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Anyone have any clue what we would surrender for Bell or Adams? Anyone from this group would infuriate me:

    Montero
    Banuelos
    Betances
    Nunez
    Nova
    Hughes

    Even Romine would be a lot but I guess I could stomach it.

    Warren, phelps, brackman. All ok.

  345. G. Love July 31st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    I honestly don’t see the need to pay big for another reliever other than the Yankees thinking they NEED to make a deal pre-deadline. While Bell or Adams would be nice, I wouldn’t trade any of the top system guys for them.

    Romine for a relief rental is a bad deal. When’s Bell going to pitch? The 5th?

  346. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Triple,

    Because the Rockies originally asked for the moon from everyone and that is how negotiations work.

    Is there a Tigers tax?

    I don’t think Cashman is a bad GM. I have defended on this board many times and I did so all winter long.

    I just don’t like the way he has handled notable trades recently like Lee, Haren, Greinke, and Ubaldo. And also I don’t like what he has done with Montero this season.

  347. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I agree. No reason to give up resources for more help for a bullpen that already has Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Noesi, Ayala, Wade and Logan…. and possibly Hughes?

    If they want to do something get Cuddyer or Wigginton to improve depth and flexibility. That would be more valuable than upgrading the 6th inning options.

    Did you see where Cano is the 6th or 7th Yankee to have a 5-for-5, 5+ RBI game at home?

    I was at the game when Mickey Mantle did it in 1968 on Memorial Day against the Washington Senators. Two of the 5 hits were HR. What a great day for this 10-year-old (at the time).

  348. Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Lgy – I must say it is disturbing that cash man didn’t get any of the guys u mention on that list despite the team needing a bonafide number 2

  349. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 11:31 am

    RadioKev July 31st, 2011 at 11:02 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 10:58 am
    Radio, if the TD passes without much doing, then the Yanks really should just let Jesus loose on the lineup soon to demonstrate why having him in pinstripes beats the hell out of not.

    If nothing else, they should understand the PR dynamic there.
    ————–

    I totally agree. I don’t see a downside in calling him up. He was starting to heat up. Give him some time in the bigs if nothing but for experience for next season.

    I do understand why he wasn’t called up in the month leading up to the trade deadline though, no point in hurting his value if the right trade comes along.
    ////

    Absolutely. They need to now show why this guy is worth hanging onto. Experience in the big leagues and some lead time in a pennant race as a primer for postseason.

  350. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    If the Yankees “backed out 4 days ago”, why did the Rockies send a scout to Nova’s start last night? Yesterday, reports were that the Yankees were “all over” Jimenez and that Nova was being scouted by the Rockies. The negotiations were botched yesterday IMHO.

  351. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    I wouldn’t trade Romine, position player at prime position, for a RP, no matter how good the latter is. If you are trading him, save Romine for something more substantial than relief pitching.

  352. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal

    Source: #Yankees trying for #Astros’ Wandy Rodriguez. #tradedeadline #MLB

  353. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 11:33 am

    LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Triple,

    Because the Rockies originally asked for the moon from everyone and that is how negotiations work.

    Is there a Tigers tax?

    I don’t think Cashman is a bad GM. I have defended on this board many times and I did so all winter long.

    I just don’t like the way he has handled notable trades recently like Lee, Haren, Greinke, and Ubaldo. And also I don’t like what he has done with Montero this season.
    =================

    Cashman is very risk averse and conservative. It can be infuriating at times, but over the long haul it’s probably prudent. Frankly, I don’t have a problem with any of these non-moves that you’ve mentioned. I think that he served the Yankees very well. He particularly distinguished himself with Lee situation, which easily could have turned out to have been giving away Montero for a 2-month rental.

    Montero will get his chance soon enough, and we will see the benefits of Cash’s prudence in the next year or two.

  354. EA July 31st, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Source: #Yankees trying for #Astros’ Wandy Rodriguez. #tradedeadline #MLB

    ———-

    Why tie up 2.5 more years for a non-difference maker?

  355. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 11:35 am

    # LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Triple,

    Because the Rockies originally asked for the moon from everyone and that is how negotiations work.

    Is there a Tigers tax?

    I don’t think Cashman is a bad GM. I have defended on this board many times and I did so all winter long.

    I just don’t like the way he has handled notable trades recently like Lee, Haren, Greinke, and Ubaldo. And also I don’t like what he has done with Montero this season.

    ——————————————

    I’m still trying to get a better understanding of what happened. Some ppl say Cashman refused to give up Joba while others say Nova was the deal breaker. Then you have some fans that say the Angels wanted Skaggs since he was in the draft and they liked the Angel package better than the Yankee package.

  356. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Getting Wandy doesn’t make much sense. It seems like gamesmanship to me.

  357. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:36 am

    AndrewMarchand
    I asked him how he can justify leaving Hughes in over Nova based on their 2011. Girardi pointed to 2010′s 18 wins.

  358. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am

    • Bret The Hitman July 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Tom in N.J. July 30th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    @Kurkjian_ESPNTim Kurkjian
    Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez. “
    *********
    Ut oh Guiseppe’s guarantee is on shaky grounds.

    ———

    This is what happens when you don’t think like a real GM. You throw a fit when your latest fantasy trade doesn’t happen.

  359. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 11:37 am

    # Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    If the Yankees “backed out 4 days ago”, why did the Rockies send a scout to Nova’s start last night? Yesterday, reports were that the Yankees were “all over” Jimenez and that Nova was being scouted by the Rockies. The negotiations were botched yesterday IMHO.

    ————————————————————-

    Or just misinformation thrown out there.

  360. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I’d be cool with Wandy if the Astros ate money on the deal.

  361. ZMAN July 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “I asked him how he can justify leaving Hughes in over Nova based on their 2011. Girardi pointed to 2010?s 18 wins.”

    Sigh

    Give Burnett Hughes’ 2010 run support and he has 14 wins now

  362. 86w183 July 31st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    LGY/Carlo —-

    Ubaldo (4.46) and Grienke (4.50) each has a worse ERA than AJ (4.21), Colon (3.30), Garcia (3.23) AND Nova (4.01).

    Maybe Cashman just knows what a major upgrade is and what it isn’t.

  363. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Wandy has a very good curve and is tough on lefties. I suspect Cashman thinks he would be a good addition, against particularly against left handed dominant hitting teams, such as you know who.

    While he is not exciting with his 89-90 mph fastball, he would be a good addition, and likely more reliable than Jimenez. That is a lot of money, and I am sure the prospect level will depend on the money situation. I like it when the Yankees use finances to their advantage, and the Astros sure want out of as much money as they can.

  364. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Carlo July 31st, 2011 at 11:20 am
    J Alfred – I agree with 99% of what u said, but betances and banuelos are far away by most peoples timelines. 2014 isn’t exactly on the horizon. For example, my blackberry calendar for 2014 is empty.
    ///

    Where are you getting 2014, if I may ask?

    If all goes well, they should be starting their MLB careers sometime next season with innings restrictions. The following season, their roles would increase. By 2014 they should both be full-time starters, unless something unforseen happens.

  365. lounge lizard July 31st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Did you see where Cano is the 6th or 7th Yankee to have a 5-for-5, 5+ RBI game at home?

    I was at the game when Mickey Mantle did it in 1968 on Memorial Day against the Washington Senators. Two of the 5 hits were HR. What a great day for this 10-year-old (at the time).

    _____________________________________________

    That’s cool you were there. Looked the game up on baseball reference. After Mantle’s fifth hit he was pinch-run for by Ruben Amaro (Senior). R. A. Junior, future GM, was 3 years old at the time.

  366. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Wandy’s lefty splits and walk rates are nice, but he isn’t exactly the #2/upgrade we were looking for. But if we add him to the glut without giving up much, I could be so persuaded.

  367. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Carlo, they probably will get one started before the other, as is the Yankee way. Betances is on 40-man, so he may get a cup of coffee in Sept.

  368. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Technically, both Killer B’s have a 2012 ETA. I agree could see one sometime next year, one year after if both are still around.

  369. randy l. July 31st, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    “The time of marginalizing him for the myth of Phil Hughes needs to end. Nova’s better than AJ. He might be better than Garcia.

    He was throwing 93-94 mph fastballs w/movement last night. Hughes is not capable of that and should not be taking up the spot blocking Nova any longer.”

    i agree totally. i was saying this when nova was sent down to be replaced by hughes.

    now with hughes, when he has his natural fastball moving, he’s really good. kind of like a young version of the old colon this year.

    hughes reminds me of a golfer who can’t decide if he wants to play a fade or a draw and is cacught somewhere in the middle. when he was a reliever it was kind of decided for him. he kept it simple and pounded the strike zone with moving fastballs.

    now he’s a tinkerer, and that just leads to uncertainty. he’s got to get past always being a project and pick a lane what kind of pitcher he’s going to be. one clue for him is realizing he’s not going to be an ace. he’s a solid #3 and maybe a good #2.

    trying to do too much and not staying within his talent level/skill set is a sure recipe for failure.

  370. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:11 pm

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