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Yankees pregame: Trade deadline

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The nonwaiver deal deadline is at 4. The latest morning rumors have the Yankees interested in Houston left-hander Wandy Rodriguez and Padres closer Heath Bell. But a lot of times nothing comes of these things.

“If nothing happens, we’ve gotten where we are because of the guys we have in that room,” Joe Girardi said.

Girardi said there have been only initial discussions about what to do about Ivan Nova. The discussions will continue after they get through today’s game, whether to keep him around, or send him back to Triple-A.

“That’s one of the things that would be a natural move, but we’re going to talk about what we’re going to do,” Girardi said. “We just talked about maybe tweaking our rotation a little bit. Do you give guys an extra day? That sort of thing.”

Phil Hughes is still a work in progress back in the rotation, returning after the long layoff due to shoulder inflammation. But Girardi said, “We believe the guy still has a huge upside. … His stuff last time was closer to where it was last year.”

Girardi praised the work of Bartolo Colon and today’s starter Freddy Garcia, saying, “I don’t know where we’d be without them. Both of them have been excellent.”    

Girardi said Alex Rodriguez is supposed to see a doctor tomorrow to check on the state of his surgically repaired knee, and that he’s due to head to Tampa this week.

“When he goes to Tampa, the idea is to start getting him doing some baseball stuff,” Girardi said. “I think once he gets going, it shouldn’t take that long. It’s more just waiting for the knee to heal. I don’t think you’re talking about having to do a week of rehab games. Once we get it, it’ll go pretty quickly.”

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255 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Trade deadline”

  1. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Heyman’s a fool – the Yankees are going to just make a move just to make a move? I don’t think so.

  2. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Sounds like the return of A-Rod could happen within the next week to ten days.

  3. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Banuelos to Scranton for next start per Jack Curry.

  4. mick July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Sounds like Alex might be ready for Boston.

  5. Yogi Mantle July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Getting Alex back healthy will bring a big boost to the offense and the club. Even without the power, he was hitting the ball well and that seemed to have a positive affect on the rest of the batters.

    I think Tex tends to be like Abreu was, good hitter with good power, but wilts a bit as “THE GUY”. Might be trying too much. When Alex is in the lineup Teixeira seems to do better. I don’t think pitches thrown to him are the issue as much as the mental aspect.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I hope he doesn’t rush back.

    CONGRATULATIONS, MANNY B :D

  7. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    yea, I don’t get that 2014. You can still contribute to a winning season without having met your innings limit.
    ///

    Looking at Joba’s 2008 peripherals again, I’m going to be sick to my stomach all over again. 10.58 K/9 :(

    ——————————————-

    The one that got away :(

  8. mick July 31st, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Bell for Brackman and a low level prospect?
    Then you have 3 EIG’s, prolly Robo, Soriano, Bell in that order.

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    LEt’s go all Sci Fi Giants & put Manny on 40-man!

  10. RSM July 31st, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    ” I will never understand the hatred directed toward *any* player or poster, so not surprised at that which is directed toward Girardi.”
    __________________________________________________________________________

    Being Manager of the Yankees is like being the US President in the sense that whatever you do, wrong or right, half of everyone will be unhappy.

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    # J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    yea, I don’t get that 2014. You can still contribute to a winning season without having met your innings limit.
    ///

    Looking at Joba’s 2008 peripherals again, I’m going to be sick to my stomach all over again. 10.58 K/9

    ——————————————-

    The one that got away
    ///

    Odds, my glance at that marred what was looking like a grand Yankee day.

    But Manny getting promoted put the smile back on my face.

  12. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Go Alex go!

    ManBan should start tomorrow to stay on sched. SWB playing a doubleheader.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I have always liked Girardi, but I will have serious problems with him if Montero isn’t behind the plate at some point this season, at least as the BUC.

  14. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    # J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    # J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    yea, I don’t get that 2014. You can still contribute to a winning season without having met your innings limit.
    ///

    Looking at Joba’s 2008 peripherals again, I’m going to be sick to my stomach all over again. 10.58 K/9

    ——————————————-

    The one that got away
    ///

    Odds, my glance at that marred what was looking like a grand Yankee day.

    But Manny getting promoted put the smile back on my face.

    ———————————

    Yea the Joba thing is never easy but it’s good to hear the news about Manny. Good for him

  15. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Pruf, perfect triple header. Staten Island game 11AM, SWB doubleheader, first game starts at 5:30PM. Quite doable actually. :)

  16. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I also think Noesi should be in serious consideration to be in the rotation next year….

  17. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Shazam could not match what Betances is listening to in the weight room, but [it] is very epic.
    55 minutes ago

    lol

  18. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I would also rather not put MannyB in the bullpen and risk him losing some of his secondary stuff….

  19. mick July 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Then you have 3 EIG’s, prolly Robo, Soriano, Bell in that order.
    ================
    Let’s see Boston compete with that.

  20. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Manny to AAA!!

  21. RSM July 31st, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    I agree with the Tex/Abreu comparison.

  22. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Both SWB games will be televised on milb-tv tomorrow. Va, Manuelito!

  23. jpb173 July 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Shown below is Wendy Rodriguez contract situation. If the Yankees deal for him and don’t get relief from the Astros then they will owe him $23 million over the next 2 years with an option for the 3rd year. In my humble opion they would be better off standing pat.

    ***********************************************************

    Wandy Rodriguez lhp
    3 years/$34M (2011-13), plus 2014 option

    3 years/$34M (2011-13), plus 2014 club option

    signed extension with Houston 1/25/11 (avoided arbitration, $10.25M-$8M)
    $1.5M signing bonus
    11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    option may become guaranteed based on performance
    option becomes player option with trade

  24. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    of what’s left, Heath Bell seems like the best player we can get for this year….

  25. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Brian Heyman et al, any quotes from Cash on the UJim negotiations.

    Anyone watching pregame; any pertinent info?

  26. mick July 31st, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Right now, Bell makes more sense than Wandy.
    Shore up the pen, we have enough questionable 3-4 starters for the playoffs.

  27. Benny Blanco July 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Please dont deal Ivan Nova!

  28. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    The Yanks are the only available suitor left for Wandy. No other team will want to take on even a chunk of that contract. If Houston agrees to pick up half the salary and asks for lower propects such as Warren or Brackman, pull the trigger.

  29. RSM July 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    With Nova, Noesi and the B’s, our rotation has the potential to look very good in two years without being held hostage by free agents :)

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Shazam could not match what Betances is listening to in the weight room, but [it] is very epic.
    55 minutes ago

    lol
    ///

    LOL. He’s probably cutting the rug, too.
    ///

    How far is it from SI to SWB?

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    RSM July 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    With Nova, Noesi and the B’s, our rotation has the potential to look very good in two years without being held hostage by free agents
    ///

    RSM gets it ;)

  32. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Heyman is exactly right, the Yankees do need to do something.

    1. Objective number one was to find a number two and barring some last minute deal that looks like that is not going to happen.

    2. Objective number two is to add depth to the rotation. No matter how well they have pitched, assuming longevity and good health from Colon and Garcia through the post season is not a good bet.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Benny Blanco July 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    Please dont deal Ivan Nova!
    ///

    I can’t see Cash dealing any of the quality pitching unless he’s working some under cover trade that brings back Kershaw or Hernandez (yea, that’s likely).

    I think he’s safe.

  34. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Yankeefem-

    If Banuelos is brought up, doesn’t that create a logjam of starters? Could it be that Cashman is going to clear some space by trading one of the other AAA starters?

  35. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    With Nova, Noesi and the B’s, our rotation has the potential to look very good in two years without being held hostage by free agents

    ___

    Once AJ is gone, we have CC, Noesi/Nova/Betances/Banuelos/Hughes

    Other possible FA’s, Warren/Phelps/Mitchell, guys in Lower minors

    Yankees are not as bad off as people act like they are.

    There is also Joba who i wonder after TJS, would they consider trying to start him again….

    Hardly the dire situation some make it out to be…

  36. Benny Blanco July 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Congrats to Manny B.. !

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    They need to do something: get Montero to NY

  38. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Wandy is LH…..and thus is not completely valueless if added to the rotation.

  39. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    If Banuelos is brought up, doesn’t that create a logjam of starters? Could it be that Cashman is going to clear some space by trading one of the other AAA starters?

    ___

    I think Brackman going back to AA is a possibility.
    He has severely regressed…

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    YT, that’s certainly possible. As long as it isn’t Manny!

  41. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Shazam could not match what Betances is listening to in the weight room, but [it] is very epic.
    55 minutes ago

    lol
    ///

    LOL. He’s probably cutting the rug, too.
    ///

    How far is it from SI to SWB?

    _____
    132 mi, 2 hours 31 mins according to google maps. If all goes well, you have at least a half hour margin of error to make first pitch of the first SWB game. Very tempting…

  42. Tar July 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Who’s spot would Wandy take?

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    If that’s true ac1, & I didn’t think of that but it could well be, I can keep an eye on him at least.

  44. Benny Blanco July 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Whats the chances that Manny gets a september call up ? I’m not saying to pitch in the postseason but just to get a taste of Major League experience.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I personally don’t think anything is going to happen trade wise. There are too many obstacles to Bell and Wandy.

  46. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    RS… now looking for a RP and will move Alfredo Aceves into the rotation

  47. mick July 31st, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Joe sez: “Family guys are good during the day.”
    Love it.

  48. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    They don’t really need Bell. The only reason to kick the tires on Wandy is that he is LH. I’d be fine with them standing pat or getting Wandy on the cheap. Bell would require too much, considering they have Soriano and DRob already.

  49. Niblick July 31st, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    What is it with the Yankees desire for these old pitchers from other teams? They would replace, say Nova, a 24 year old with a lifetime ERA+ of 101 with a 32 year old with a lifetime ERA+ of, you guessed it, 101.

    They should give their own guys a chance.

    Cashman, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

  50. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Bell is a Type A FA who will be the best FA available. The Yankees might be interested in him to get back draft picks by offering him arbitration which he’d likely decline to close elsewhere. Just a thought!

  51. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    There is also Joba who i wonder after TJS, would they consider trying to start him again….

    ——————————————-

    Probably not but would love to see them at least consider it

  52. Tar July 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    If they are looking at Wandy, my bet is they are looking to move Freddy somewhere. Could be Ninja move in the making.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    In the short term a six man makes great sense. You give Colon and Garcia a day off here and there and get to see if Hughes can improve.

    There in NO NEED to force a move right now.

  54. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Joel Sherman

    11 perceived front-end SP traded since 2/08: Santana, Bedard, Haren, Lee (3 times), Oswalt, Greinke, CC, Peavy, Garza, Ubaldo…have 1 thing in common : None acquired by #Yankees.; unless u consider Vazquez (strong ’09) hi end

    1 minute ago

  55. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Probably not but would love to see them at least consider it

    ___

    Could at least let him train for it like in ST 2010….

  56. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    joeman July 31st, 2011 at 12:34 pm
    RS… now looking for a RP and will move Alfredo Aceves into the rotation
    ————————
    If they do that they’ll need a long relief man.

  57. Niblick July 31st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    And just how many closers do the Yankees need? Mo; Soriano; and now Bell? Next, they’ll pick up Papelbum.

  58. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    norris427 Josh Norris
    Neither Banuelos, nor anybody else around the Thunder, has gotten word of Manny’s promotion. Not doubting Curry at all, that said.
    18 minutes ago

    Curry scooping the AA contingent??

  59. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Is it time to call Colletti and offer the farm for Kershaw yet? He and Felix are the only guys I’d do it for…

  60. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    TylerKepner Tyler Kepner

    Good point by @joelsherman1: Aces do get traded. Yanks prefer to pass, keep prospects and buy on open market. Worked with CC, not with Lee.

    48 seconds ago

  61. UnKnown July 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Maybe other GM’s just don’t like to deal with Cash.

    However, I think the bigger problem is that when these other GM’s try to deal with the Yankees they feel as if they need to be big winners in any deal. Thus always ask for more from the Yankees than other teams.

  62. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    CC doesn’t like >4 days between starts. It would take some doing to have a 6 man rotation and keep CC as every 5th day.

  63. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    JackCurryYESJack Curry

    If the Yankees see enough from Banuelos at AAA, there’s always chance he could get starts in majors, with Nova and/or Hughes sliding to pen

    36 minutes ago

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Niblick, it’s the Myth of the Dominating Pitcher.

    That guy just isn’t out there this year. We already signed that guy in 2009 & we’re lucky to have him.

    We’re not going to add one from the outside every year, just because we have a shot. We have to now start developing that guy from within.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    We’re going all Sci Fi Giants.

    I love it!!!

  66. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry

    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess

    20 second

  67. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess
    ____

    FINALLY!!!

  68. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Maybe bringing up the young guns has been Cash’s plan all along…

  69. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    lol, if we have a rookie catcher, Montero, then does that mean we win WS, just like Giants did with Posey? ;)

    Garrison is pitching today, and Stoneburner was just added in last start to Trenton. Betances, Garrison, Hall, Stoneburner… Heyer back to rotation? I wouldn’t mind Bracks back to AA to work on stuff.

  70. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Free Jesus!

  71. Against All Odds July 31st, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Curry with the exclusives all of a sudden lol.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    CC doesn’t like >4 days between starts. It would take some doing to have a 6 man rotation and keep CC as every 5th day.

    *********

    You can do it short term by giving Colon and Garcia a day off now and then.

  73. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry

    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess
    ————————————
    Hurry up already before I drown in drool!!!!

  74. sunny615 July 31st, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
    My pal @JackCurryYES reports Banuelos to T-A, Montero possibility in MLB soon. He’s right. Yankee plan with no trades is internal (cont)
    Hughes or Nova goes into relief, Banuelos possibility for rotation or LH rlf, Montero DH/bat #Yankees

    JackCurryYES Jack Curry
    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess

  75. jpb173 July 31st, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    JackCurryYESJack Curry

    If the Yankees see enough from Banuelos at AAA, there’s always chance he could get starts in majors, with Nova and/or Hughes sliding to pen

    36 minutes ago

    ===============================================

    This sounds like a smokescreen to me. Banuelos has never thrown more than 109 innings in a season and is currently at about 100 innings. He’s not going to be called up this year.

    Jack Curry is Cashman’s propaganda minister…in this case he’s trying to throw someone off the track. It might mean the Yankees are negotiating a deal for a starter.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    I said a while ago Montero would come up in August if he wasn’t traded. I still believe that.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
    JackCurryYES Jack Curry

    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess

    20 second
    ///

    This is why it’s important to brush back people who carp on & on about “prospect hugging.”

    I come in here & repeat the same thing 100x over. But I don’t care if it pisses people off. My point is the Yankees need to hear the voices that are for finally growing a nucleus of young players who can not win the odd championship, but rebuild a dynasty.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Jack Curry just said Banuelos to AAA a possible precursor to a call up in September with either Nova or Hughes to the pen. Another reason to go six man right now to see how Nova and Hughes do the next month.

  79. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Hughes does have one more option left.

  80. MTU July 31st, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Enjoy the game and the TD folks.

    :)

  81. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Looks like Yanks are flashing an all out offensive to show that our A prospects are in the mix front and center, in lieu of a big trade: ManBan to AAA and leaks about Montero coming up. Unless this is a decoy. We will know soon enough…

  82. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    You too, MTU!

  83. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Right,. so now Banuelos to save the season?

  84. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Curry says specific obstacle early on in Rockie talks was their demand for an MRI on Ubaldo’s shoulder. Rockies refused. Yankees didn’t want to waste time and find out after deal there was an issue.

    Makes perfect sense. In this case, well done Cashman.

  85. LGY July 31st, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Manny to AAA and Montero to the Bronx soon???

    Yes, yes. More of that please!!!

  86. tomingeorgia July 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Betsy,
    Is the season lost?

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Trade was Cashman’s first choice. This looks like a good plan B to me right now all things considered.

  88. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I’m sure the odds are stacked against me but perhaps Montero could make his major league debut tomorrow in Chicago – where I’ll be in the stands.

    I was at Peyton Manning’s debut on Opening Day in Indy against the Dolphins back in 1998, so maybe I’ll get lucky again.

    Meh, probably not.

  89. G-C July 31st, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Right now, I’m liking the idea of standing pat.

    I like Wandy a lot, more so than most people, but I’m not sure I want him penciled into the rotation for two more years at that rate. Is he truly a better option for a postseason start than Garcia is? Probably not. I’d probably take my chances with the guy who’s done it before.

  90. joeman July 31st, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    if and when JM gets here I hope that he hits otherwise there will be a lot of bridge jumpers here….

  91. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I said it before. GMs use the media as a way to dissminate whatever they want the message to be. The trick is to discern truth, from disinformation.

    Given what has been reported about Montero’s baseball skills over the past couple years, I wonder if the message being spread over the past couple of weeks/months, and how he was used in Scranton, had at least something to do with the Yanks wanting to discredit him in the eyes of other teams.

  92. MG July 31st, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    I like Banuelos as much as anyone and think he’s could be a stud for the Yankees for a long time but give me a break, the longest he’s gone in a game at AA is 6 1/3 and has walked more than 5 per 9 innings at AA.

    He’s not ready for the majors, period.

  93. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Brad Halsey sent to Tampa.
    8 minutes ago

    Thank God.

  94. austinmac July 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    The Banuelos move tells me they will acquire no pitching, but are promoting him just in case he could be a second lefty starter later in the year. But, their is that pesky innings limit issue.

  95. ac1 July 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    MG, you are correct, but moving to AAA makes it a real possibility he will be ready for 2012….

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    The Yankees may want to outwardly demonstrate that their young guys are not going to stagnate in the system, although that would be my more sinister side working over time that they would move a pitcher up before he’s “ready” just to make a point.

    OTOH, I don’t believe either Manny or Dellin are going to be dragged along, not to prove points, but because despite the ignorance put forth on this board at times, they both are pretty polished arms with great stuff. They will have to harness it of course, but both are deep in weapons they already know how to use. They will likely move fast.

  97. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Tom, excuse me but where did I say that?

    I don’t believe Banuelos is having a great season, so now he’s going to be a serious option for the major league rotation?

  98. Kelvin July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    There not coming to save the season lol Betsy.

    Yankees probably just believe the youth movement is better then any trade scenarios. They can get their feet wet so to speak, Yanks are a lock for playoffs as of right now anyway.

  99. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
    JackCurryYES Jack Curry

    For 1st time in a while, heard Yankee folks drooling about Montero’s offense again. They see him as option in majors. When? Soon, I’d guess

    20 second
    ///

    This is why it’s important to brush back people who carp on & on about “prospect hugging.”

    I come in here & repeat the same thing 100x over. But I don’t care if it pisses people off. My point is the Yankees need to hear the voices that are for finally growing a nucleus of young players who can not win the odd championship, but rebuild a dynasty.
    =============

    For what it’s worth, I really enjoy your posts. I find you intelligent and insightful, mostly because you seem to agree with me so often. :)

  100. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    I don’t see Curry as a Cashman propaganda minister.

    If anything, he’s probably the most trusted source for Yankee scoops and I don’t think it’s even close.

  101. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    G-C

    What is it you like about Wandy Rodriguez? If the Astros picked up a sizeable chunk of $$$ is he a #3 rotation-lefty CC-Righty Colon-lefty Rodriguez?

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    YF, LMAO.

  103. yankee21 July 31st, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Banuelos is likely a big part of the future, not the present.

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  104. TheStraw July 31st, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Why we need to “save” a 63-42 season is beyond me….

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    Curry may not have the latitude he did as a Times writer, but I don’t see him as a Yankee shill, either.

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    To me its just exciting I been following these kids and to see them get a chance is gratifying.

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    Straw,

    Point!

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  109. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Trenton has just lost two players. Who is moving up or down?

  110. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 1:02 pm

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  111. MG July 31st, 2011 at 1:02 pm

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    The Yankees have 29 games in August, CC would pitch 7 of them in rotation, that leaves 22 for 5 guys or essentially 1 start a week. Burnett and Garcia would definitely have command issues with the longer rest, Freddy was awful after the long layoff over the All Star break.

    With Andy in the rotation and pitching much better with 5 days rest there might have been a way to work it out last year but it won’t work this year-the Yankees know it and won’t do it beyond having Hughes and Nova pitch in turn this week because the DH threw everything out of kilter.

  112. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Tom, semantics. The point is I find it hard to believe that Banuelos, who hasn’t exactly been lights out in AA this year, is even an option for this year.

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    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    I don’t see Curry as a Cashman propaganda minister. If anything, he’s probably the most trusted source for Yankee scoops and I don’t think it’s even close.

    ************

    Agree 100%.

    Jack Curry: “Banuelos to AAA a possible precursor to a call up in September with either Nova or Hughes to the pen.”

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    I don’t see a 6-man rotation being anything more than temporary. Maybe a turn or two, but that’s probably it.

  115. Betsy July 31st, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    MG, agreed- hate the 6 man rotation

  116. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    No way we go with a 6 man beyond a week or so.

  117. Ghostwriter July 31st, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    I don’t see a 6-man rotation being anything more than temporary. Maybe a turn or two, but that’s probably it.
    ===========
    It might be okay for this week, because of the doubleheader and 4-game series this weekend. However, there aren’t that many starts left in the season. I think MG nailed it in terms of how it can throw everybody off their routine.

  118. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I have my doubts we’ll see Banuelos pitching in the Bronx this season.

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    Ghost, thanks. I really enjoy your take, too. We may agree a lot, but everybody has a unique way to express their ideas, & I find yours very cogent. I’m probably a lot less tempered than some, but I sometimes push to the opposite extreme to make my point.

    There are also a few here who don’t agree, but they do so in a reasoned manner & are also worth reading. Generally though, the posts fly by so fast, I feel it’s necessary to exclaim. The Yankees do in fact monitor public opinion & there are way more thoughtless panic posts calling for DFAs & dumping guys like Betances than there are people preaching patience for young guys with high upside that after all, very few actually get to see. We have a much tougher job, you and I. We’re tryiing to sell ghosts ;).

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan July 31st, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Banuelos is being called up to AAA to pitch and be evaluated by Yankee professionals including Cashman who can easily get to SWB. If he is deemed ready in September we’ll see him. Innings limits won’t preclude anything; they can manage that and will going forward from this point.

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    _____________________________

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    A little bit smallish and a FB guy, but in Yankee Stadium his lefthandedness probably negates that to some degree.

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  125. Vineyard Yankee July 31st, 2011 at 1:09 pm

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  127. yankeefeminista July 31st, 2011 at 1:10 pm

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    Here, here. I wish people who follow the ‘spects would weigh in more often here. We’re so outnumbered.

    Enjoy the game, folks. Those runs yesterday don’t mean jack if we settle for a split with these guys.

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