Yankees stand pat
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2011 
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The Yankees made no deals at the deadline.
“I didn’t expect one,” Joe Girardi said. “I didn’t see one coming.”
Brian Cashman raved about the pitching in the organization and said he was comfortable with this team. He didn’t rule out waiver acquisitions in the next month, though.
“We’ve got a lot of depth,” Cashman said.
We’ll have more later for you.
Fine…..now we’ll see if they actually use the farm system.
Could the Padres not find a deal for Heath Bell that would bring back more than the 2 picks they’ll get? That’s a little surprising…..sounds like they priced themselves out of a deal to me.
I hope the Yanks don’t rush Banuelos to try and help the big league team this year. Let the kid start in AAA and next year see where he is in his development. Hughes was in the bullpen and because of that he lost his feel for his secondary pitches. The kid is only 20 let him develop properly and work on his command.
Could the Padres not find a deal for Heath Bell that would bring back more than the 2 picks they’ll get? That’s a little surprising…..sounds like they priced themselves out of a deal to me
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Nice return on Adams though.
Really? They’d go with Colon over Jimenez? Even so, how long do they think Colon is going to be here, while Jimenez has a very good deal
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Which is why you have to be suspicious as to why Colorado was so eager to dump him…
Not exactly thrilled. Banuelos hasn’t had a great year and now the Yankees want to throw him into a pennant race – either out of the pen or in the rotation – and expect him to do well. Nova doesn’t deserve to go to the pen and Cashman is fooling himself if he thinks sending Phil there is going to make him a better pitcher all of a sudden.
AC, I’ve said before that I was suspicious of Jimenez………..but I’m better off not reading these tweets because they are annoying as hell
imagine the yanks no longer have to over pay for fringe benefit since there system is so deep. boston gave up there 2nd best catching prospect for eric bedard….
the sox over the last year have given up a ton of decent to goood prospects….there minor leagues are thin regardless of nespn and gammons overhype..
the yanks have 3 or 4 legit catching prospects. montero, romine, sanchez nad murphy. can they all catch? no way but these guys are legit prospects and 2 of them should be in the majors next year at cathcer or dh….noesi, nove, hughes, warren, phelps, and the b’s are legit pitching guys. presently 1 is contributing at the major league level.
btw the yanks need to make a roster move.. they need to decide wha to do with hughes real soon…………
Jimenez was supposed to be a long term answer, not just this year.
Boy, the non-Haren deal is going to haunt him for a long time. Especially if the result is 6 years of CJ Wilson (or perhaps worse, the same rotation) for 2012.
As far as Banuelos, they are probably evaluating him based on stuff, not results, because he has had a very pedestrian year at AA.
Clutch, it looks like it’s rush city for Banuelos………
Why is O’Dowd criticizing Ubaldo on his way out?
That’s messed up.
I really think that Noesi has the stuff to be a #3 starter next year if they allow it..
Yanks78, that’s why the comment about this year makes no sense. They really need to be right on Betances and Banuelos……… I’d rather evaluate a pitcher on performance. Just because he has great stuff doesn’t mean he’s ready to take on big leaguers.
In any event though Ubaldo is the biggest winner this deadline by getting to Free agency a year early.
the rangers are loaded.. big time… adams is only 27 or 28 and under contract for 2 years so they gave up a ton but he is a legit stud relief pitcher…..
i like moves for guys like adams or king felix where you give up a ton but go for a really high cieling player…..cleveland gave up 4 good to very good prospects for jiminez, if it does not work out well it will hurt big time………..
Betsy,
I don’t….I’m thinking they are looking at Banuelos for the bullpen in September and the playoffs if I had to guess.
G. Love,
Maybe so….We’ll never know though. I would have liked for them to at least have asked….maybe they did. The Cards did get relief help in that deal as well though which it would have been tough for the Yanks to provide. Again…..the Cards are apparently at in for this year
Mell,
yup….
LGY,
that whole thing with Ubaldo was shady…..they sold him like a #1 and asked for a #1 return but were apparently dying to get rid of him, were protective of his medicals, and then talk about him after he leaves.
banuelos is 20. doing more then fine at AA.. sure his walks are to high, again he is 20….
LGY July 31st, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Why is O’Dowd criticizing Ubaldo on his way out?
That’s messed up.
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That whole situation is messed up. From denying a physical to starting him yesterday. Very weirdly handled by the Rockies but they did get a nice return.
It was Cashman’s responsibility to try and make a deal to improve the pitching on this club. It’s obvious that he did so but just could not justify giving up more than he felt the other players were worth. He also had to ask, is who I am getting better than what I have.
I have been tough on Cashman but I would not have been happy if he dealt too much for too little. It takes two parties to make a deal so this July I give Cashman a pass.
If we stay healthy, and players perform as they have, we can win it all. We won’t know that until the season is over.
“I really think that Noesi has the stuff to be a #3 starter next year if they allow it.”
doj’t know about next year….but i like him a lot and think he looks like a potential #3 or better starter.
It’s obvious that those who make judgments on a 20 year old Banuelos based on AA stats don’t have a clue what they are talking about, or what developing a pitcher means.
As Newman said, the goal is to win now, not development.
We need a lefty reliever. Our best prospect happens to be a power lefty in AA. It makes sense. They did it with Joba, they did it with Hughes, and now could do it with Manny.
Cash also didn’t rule him out as a starter for the big club later in the year if you listen to his PC.
Why is O’Dowd criticizing Ubaldo on his way out?
That’s messed up.
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Yeah, bad form.
With the deadine now history, the bigger question this week is when the rotation is decided, is it Nova or Hughes ? The better decision is Nova. He stands a better chance of giving a quality start with his assortment of pitches.
I’d like to see them bring up Manny to see if he can help down the stretch and in the playoffs and then start him off in AAA for a full season at SWB in 2012. The Rays did something similar with Price when he came up.
This talk about Banuelos coming up is nonsense. He’s not exactly dominating AA. The Yanks have 4 good starters – CC, Garcia, Colon, Nova – one headcase, and one guy who looks like he’s still injured. That’s enough.
Hughes was brought in to start. Bauelos is going to be nearng his innings limits and possibly brought up to finish his innings out of the bullpen. Not even remotely the same thing. At least Hughes should get a break from the pissers and moaners. They’ll have a new target.
Blake, and I think that’s ridiculous -expecting a 20 year old who hasn’t even had a great year at AAA to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.
They are probably looking at Banuelos for the bullpen later on…..not for the rotation.
stuart a July 31st, 2011 at 5:10 pm
the rangers are loaded.. big time… adams is only 27 or 28 and under contract for 2 years so they gave up a ton but he is a legit stud relief pitcher…..
Mike adams is 33 and Has an injury history longer than my…
Do you EVER look stuff up before you post? Or you just assume that massive melon of yours stores all the correct facts.
“Blake, and I think that’s ridiculous -expecting a 20 year old who hasn’t even had a great year at AAA to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.”
why? Lots of guys have done it. Just so long as they let him finish his development next year and don’t do what they did with Joba I’m fine with seeing if the 2nd best LH arm in the entire Yankee organization (Sabathia) can help them in the playoffs.
Banuelos has not yet unpacked his bags in Scranton, I don’t think anyone is betting the season on what he will or will not do there or anywhere else.
Adams is arbitration next year and FA in 2013. Like… you couldn’t have been more wrong with that post.
I’ll be happy with the results of this trade deadline if Montero is called up soon.
If they are considering Manny for the bullpen I’m suprised Dellin and his power arm wasn’t promoted as well.
Like who, Blake?
Yes and he may struggle at AAA and they may pull the plug on any thoughts of bringing up up in September…..they are just laying the ground work in case I would guess.
well, it’s just so hard for Sux to lose a game right now.
Next weekend will be a true test, for the sake of division title. You don’t expect Sux will choke this year, like they did consistently in the past.
Cashman seems high on Adam Warren also…
“Like who, Blake?”
I just mentioned David Price right…..remember what Joba did in 2007, he’d never been in the big leagues before…..they just screwed up the next step with him was all.
Betsy
No one expects Montero, Banuelos, or Betances to be saviors right now. The Yankees are too good a team to need a savior.
It’s about helping the team and improving the club in places you can. These three extremely talented kids are capable of doing that.
Banuelos is walking five batters per nine innings in AA. Why is he considered an option for the major league bullpen again?
“It’s about helping the team and improving the club in places you can. These three extremely talented kids are capable of doing that.”
Yes.
“I think that’s ridiculous -expecting a 20 year old who hasn’t even had a great year at AAA to help down the stretch and in the playoffs.”
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No more ridiculous then not knowing he hasn’t pitched in AAA.
Banuelos is walking five batters per nine innings in AA. Why is he considered an option for the major league bullpen again?
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All Cashman said is it is time for him to take the next step (AAA). I doubt they will bring him up until he controls his walks…
waka flocka July 31st, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Banuelos is walking five batters per nine innings in AA. Why is he considered an option for the major league bullpen again?
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No one said anything about Banuelos in the majors. Cashman said today it was time for him to take the next step to pitch in AAA. He said nothing about Banuelos being brought up or what role he would play if he was.
banuelos has been dealing with blisters all year….maybe they things his control issues were more related to that than anything else and they just want to see if he can help them this year…..nothing may even come of it.
Ok Blake – that’s not exactly a lot of guys, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
LGY, I don’t see any reason to bring Banuelos up and stick him in the pen nor do I see any reason to stick him in the rotation. Same with Betances. I don’t even care if Montero comes up, but if he does, it’s because the Yankees think he can help. I don’t see how either B pitcher is ready for the majors.
LGY,
no one is debating their potential but Betances and Banuelos have not had overwhelming success. the Yankees could potentially stunt ManBan’s development by calling him up. what is more important: him developing into the guy we want him to be or having an extra lefty out of the bullpen?
LGY July 31st, 2011 at 5:18 pm
I’ll be happy with the results of this trade deadline if Montero is called up soon.
If they are considering Manny for the bullpen I’m suprised Dellin and his power arm wasn’t promoted as well.
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I think they are pretty confident in the rightys in the ‘pen right now. Leftys are a different story. Banuelos could be a huge addition over Logan.
It’s plucking at straws hour here at Lohud.
“… adams is only 27 or 28 and under contract for 2 years so they gave up a ton but he is a legit stud relief pitcher…..”
I thought Adams was 33?
JC Romero is still a lefty option moving forward.
Can’t hurt to have two out there…
WCYF,
the Ledger_Yankees twitter account said Cashman specifically mentioned Adam Warren and Banuelos as guys that could potentially help the Yankees this year.
Waka, key word is ‘potentially’…
Tom in NJ – He’s 33 and arb eligible next season, FA in 2013. Nothing that clown said was true.
Boy, the non-Haren deal is going to haunt him for a long time.
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I’m still trying to get a better understanding of what happened. Some ppl say Cashman refused to give up Joba while others say Nova was the deal breaker. Then you have the fans that say the Angels wanted Skaggs since he was in the draft and they liked the Angel package better than the Yankee package.
Betsy,
Waka,
Double, double, toil and trouble
“I think they are pretty confident in the rightys in the ‘pen right now. Leftys are a different story. Banuelos could be a huge addition over Logan.”
yes and that’s probably what they want to explore.
Cashman also said Phelps would have been ready if he hadn’t been injured.
“I don’t see how either B pitcher is ready for the majors.”
That might be why none of the B pichers has been promoted to the majors.
waka flocka July 31st, 2011 at 5:27 pm
WCYF,
the Ledger_Yankees twitter account said Cashman specifically mentioned Adam Warren and Banuelos as guys that could potentially help the Yankees this year.
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I watched the entire Cashman news conference. I am sure Chad will be doing a thread on it. He said it was time for him to take the next step to pitch in AAA. He said nothing about Banuelos being brought up or what role he would play if he was. He answered a question by saying they would evaluate down the road if Banuelos might be a late season addition to the big league club.
It seems like the situation with Manny now in AAA is the result of a choice between spending a prospect plus 13 million for Thornton or railroading Manny Banuelos to be a bullpen arm as he approaches his innings limit later on. I’m excited to see Manny in MLB this year and am intrigued to see if he experiences an uptick in his fast ball. I hope he makes it hard for the Yankees to leave him off the post season roster. Likewise, the non-trades for OF like Beltran, Rasmus and Pence indicates they see Montero potentially impacting the big club this year. Like Manny, I hope Montero makes it hard for the Yankees to leave him off the post season roster – and I hope he steals DH from Posada who is cooked. The Yankees will put these guys in a position where they can succeed so either they help the big league club, boost their trade value for the winter meetings or both.
“what is more important: him developing into the guy we want him to be or having an extra lefty out of the bullpen?”
Let’s revisit this question in October when they face a Red Sox team with a lot of very good left handed hitters
PeteAbe Pete Abraham
Good trade for the Sox because they didn’t give any any major assets. Bedard has talent. Can he handle spotlight?
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Hey Donut Choker,
It’s not just the spotlight Bedard has to handle. He also needs to avoid stepping on cracks and MRI machines.
i stand corrected. I thought I looked up adams age last week. he is 33.. my bad.. him being 33 changes everything..
WOW…
Stuart, ya think?
any word on how soon we can get A-Rod back?
they gave up there 2nd best catching prospect for bedard… and others. boston correctly is going for it, there offense is the best in the game for sure and IF BUcholtz was healthy I think they are the favorits in the AL for sure. I assume Bucholtz is not healthy so that changes a lot.
red sux have really depleted there system so that helps the yanks, who’s system is much stronger and montero has to be banging on the door…..
Stu, Montero has been banging on the door for a year, usually yelling, let me out let me out!!!!
can’t believe adams is 33, imagine what robertson can get on the trade market at 25 or so!!!!!!!
at present the bullpen to me should be; wade in the 6th, soriano, in the 7th, robertson and mo to follow. noesi long man and logan (you know the drill). the problem is Noesi’s role is probably not ideal for his development. ayala is returning to who he is….
Montero still has work to do. Don’t expect him.
montero has to come up sept 1 at the worst I assume….
montero can come up and hit , catching is another story and I have no opinion on that.
stuart – what’s the drill for logan? duck and cover? :p
“i stand corrected. I thought I looked up adams age last week. he is 33.. my bad.. him being 33 changes everything..
WOW…”
stuart-
that’s what happened to GB7.
he thought nurse karloff was 33 when he hired her online, but it turned out she was really 133 and that threw everything off.
Price was walking 4.50 and 4.72 in the minors when he came up; Jimenez was at 4.94 and 5.42 before he came up. Need I go on? Plus Banuelos has been working on stuff in AA; you can assume the same kind of approach, especially if he is coming out of the pen. In no way will the Yankees force him up to the majors if they don’t think he can handle it.
*can’t* assume
Adams took one of those “what is your real age?” internet quizes and it put him at 27, so everybody’s right.
Alex is being reevaluated tomorrow. Don’t think it will be more than a couple of weeks. They were saying he wouldn’t need even a week of rehab games.
logan is girardi’s guy. kinda like aj”great stuff” bad results. He is pitching better then early in the season but the yanks sure miss feliciano… with feliciano around I bet the yanks would have 3 more wins..
the yanks have only been looking for lefty relief help since about 2000. marte had 1 great week 3 years ago and that is about it..
No recent word with how Damaso Marte is progressing. Last report said he was throwing bullpen sessions in Tampa working toward some rehab appearances.
“Price was walking 4.50 and 4.72 in the minors when he came up; Jimenez was at 4.94 and 5.42 before he came up. Need I go on?”
don’t do it. people hate facts here
randy l., someone has to do it.
J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Chih Hsien Chiang is a pretty good left-handed hitter. Glad they got rid of him, lol.
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I’ll say – in AA at least…
Chiang .338 BA w/ 18 HR, 4 3B, 36 2B, 25 BB and 76 RBI in 87 games in AA Portland
and the AAA guy’s doing OK too…
Robinson .293 BA w/ 26 HR, 6 3B, 9 2B, 45 BB and 71 RBI in 100 games in AAA Albuquerque
Wonder if Erik will face the M’s when the Red Sox come to town in a couple weeks?
If so, I predict he throws his second career complete game shutout
Wii Age, maybe?
Cashman did an outstanding job this deadline. It’s impossible to make any deals when no other team wants to do any business with you or has any intention of operating in good faith. I normally take any chance I can to take a dig at Cashman for his arrogance, stupidity, and lack of intelligence, but he can only be commended for standing his ground this deadline and refusing to be taken advantage of.
Meanwhile, has any move the Red Sox ever made been deemed a bad move by the media?
GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Great stuff.
I liked Chiang too. Saw quite a few of his minor league games. Glad he is no longer part of RS Nation.
yankeefeminista -
Thank you for you perspective.
My goodness people. The kid has been sent to Scranton, not nominated for the Hall of Fame. Sheesh.
Some of you really have an unbelievable propensity for painting with broad brush and drawing unwarranted conclusions and making sweeping generalizations. It’s really amazing.
Hopefully in a few years we can appreciate the job Cashman did here by not overpaying and giving in to the ridiculous demands of other teams. The Jimenez deal is proof positive that teams are not interested in dealing with the Yankees on an even playing field. Should they? Given the Yankees ability to operate their payroll on a different playing field? I’m not so sure.
Trade deadline didn’t work out for me at all fantasy-wise either.
Bedard to the Sox means I have to trade him away now, and Adams did not become a closer. Sigh.
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“Cashman did an outstanding job this deadline.”
i agree . he did nothing real good.
not that the team needs a whole lot to get to the playoffs.
i look at this as a rebuilding year and still they’ll make the playoffs .
you never know once you make it to the playoffs .
look at the giants last year.
whew!
No no-no for Hellickson.
Believe it or not, that is the second no-no Figgy has broken up this season. #whodathunk
The Mariners are such a fruitless organization with no ambition. No future for that team.
“The Jimenez deal is proof positive that teams are not interested in dealing with the Yankees on an even playing field. Should they?” Do they deal with other high payroll teams in good faith? The answer is yes, so the answer to your question should be yes. Unless it’s fair for one organization to be held to a different standard.
eversince the wild days of george steinbrenner teams always asked the yankees for more than they would ask other teams kudos to cashman that he’s trying to fix that by not overpaying even if it means doing nothing
Jacob,
Who’s the favorite for Miss Rheingold this month?
Adding Soriano, Chavez, Arod, Montero, and maybe Banuelos by playoff time should help a team already on a 98 win pace and 8 games clear of a playoff spot. Sucks Joba got hurt because the pen at full strength coukd have really been special.
Dan O’Dowd taking shots at Ubaldo after the fact is just further proof what an ass he is. Now I really hope that rumor about Cash changing his offer to Hughes as the centerpiece is true. That fool O’Dowd deserved that insult. They refused to negotiate, and his comments about Ubaldo (if true) further cement him as a clown in my opinion.
Jacob,
Sorry, it was Knickerbocker, wasn’t it?
Star Ledger
A few of you asked me to ask about Montero. Cashman’s response: “Let’s put it this way, if Montero was traded at this trade deadline, he would have been the best player moved of anyone at the deadline, prospect wise.”
CompassRosy July 31st, 2011 at 6:07 pm
whew!
No no-no for Hellickson.
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That accounts for 2 of his hits. Who did he get the other hit off of this year?
Cashman was right on target.
Something is up with Ubaldo and the Rockies, and the Indians are about to find out what.
Eric Bedard? First of all, I think Cashman feels a bit burned by the M’s and Cliff Lee last year (which some would say cost them the WS). Second of all, he’s a head case.
Haren? Again, I bet that fell apart over the medicals.
The team has the third best record in the league (and the best run differential) without one of the best players of all time for a month, and without one of the best late inning guys in the league. They’ll only get better in August.
The issue is the Red Sox. They are built to beat the Yankees (AGon, Lester), but in the playoffs, anything can happen, and they still are the Red Sox after all. Is Alfredo Aceves the next Mike Torres?
Jacob Ruppert July 31st, 2011 at 6:12 pm
The Mariners are such a fruitless organization with no ambition. No future for that team.
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Yeah – M’s have been pretty fruitless for too many years, no question. But, name a team that has never gone through a draught. I think the future’s looking pretty bright – might be a couple of years for the replenishment and rebuilding to come to fruition but, to be a Mariners fan it to have patience
What did O’Dowd say? I missed it.
GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2011 at 6:24 pm
That accounts for 2 of his hits. Who did he get the other hit off of this year
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He had three?? go figure.
I have to start the grill, and get myself a beer – but PittsburghYankeeFan is on the mark.
I’ll make that an Iron City……well, maybe not…….
, if Montero was traded at this trade deadline, he would have been the best player moved of anyone at the deadline, prospect wise”
Yup
Joe,
I wont even ask what you’re grilling…..it’d just make me hungry and jealous as Im heating up my leftover pizza hut.
For two years now, when I would look over the box scores from all the teams and I saw the Mariner box scores, I thought they had a new player named 0forfour Figgins.
CompassRosy July 31st, 2011 at 6:32 pm
GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2011 at 6:24 pm
That accounts for 2 of his hits. Who did he get the other hit off of this year
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He had three?? go figure.
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3 hits all year.
I am happy keeping all prospects. We have a lot to look forward to. Sometimes it seems fans forget how good the Yanks are this year with a lot from the well to draw from. Take a look for an example of this year’s draft choice Bichette. He is putting up ridiculous numbers…last 10-games over .600 with 3 hrs…keep our hand dealt…we are living on the green side of the fence for once.
The only minor surprise about the lack of deadline moves is that I expected them to nab a reliever or perhaps some bench help.
Otherwise, it should have been no surprise that they didn’t get another starter or impact bat.
The other starter just pitched last night and the impact bat is sitting in Scranton.
3 hits all year.
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That’s what I meant
Cashman has put a lot of effort the past several years in focusing on the farm system and player development.
Now that his baby is bearing fruit, he’s not going to be forced into making ill-advised moves and giving them away, especially his top guys.
I just hope Montero is the next one who gets his chance.
The Yankees have just made a very large bet on the right arm of Bartolo Colon.
MTU July 31st, 2011 at 6:48 pm
The Yankees have just made a very large bet on the right arm of Bartolo Colon.
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Who was better that was realistically available?
I’m very happy they didn’t trade any of the kids away.
Tyler-
All I said is that they made the bet. I didn’t say that anyone was better or even available.
I just hope that Bartolo’s bionic arm holds up. W/o him I’d say they are sunk.
He is the glue in back of CC.
Banuelos promoted to Triple-A
By Mike Axisa
Via Jack Curry, the Yankees are promoting Manny Banuelos to Triple-A Scranton for his next start. Curry says this will help the Yankees determine if he’s a viable big league option later in the season, so it doesn’t sound like a one-time spot start. Banuelos’ season stats are in the sidebar, an he’s struck out 38 in his last seven starts (35 IP). There aren’t many 20-year-olds in Triple-A, Manny’s way ahead of the curve. · (27) ·
“The Yankees have just made a very large bet on the right arm of Bartolo Colon.”
And their system which is good. If Colon stays healthy he can pitch with most #2 starters in baseball…..and the Yankee pen coukd be a real strength come playoff time……we.knew it would be good but we didn’t know Robertson was going to emerge as one of the best relievers in baseball…..they get Soriano right and they’ll be tough in those late innings.
I think teams think because the Yankees have a 200M payroll, they will always give up their best prospects to will now. I also think when management over rules Cashman on deals (ex. Soriano) other GMs hold out thinking ownership will panic and force a deal. That is what the GM of the Twins was banking on before he got burned.
Was there a better pitcher available than a 24 year old Nova, throwing 93-96 mph, with a 4.01 era & 9 wins in the AL East?
As for Banuelos, his innings limit this year is around 150. He will most likely make 3-4 starts @ AAA. As for moving him to the pen in Sep, the problem was not Joba finishing 2007 in the pen, the problem was him not returning to AAA in 2008.
Banuelos vs. Lefties…
1.24 era, 29 in, 32 K, 2.07 GB/FB, .229 BA!!!
He has been dominant vs lefties this year
Blake-
The system cannot provide a #2 starter if Colon happens to go down.
He is pivotal for this season IMO.
Thanks, Villa. Just trying to represent the other side.
While we may not have traded for any relief pitchers, we got Soriano back yesterday. Hopefully, he is healthy going forward. As for additional RP’s, we have a plethora of kids who can contribute if need be, just like when we won the WS in ’09.
I’m glad it’s over. If you are in a war you hope for reinforcements; but if you know they are not coming you go to battle with what you have and hope for the best.
Nova, supposedly he said something along the lines of (about Jimenez) “we traded a #2 who was pitching like a #3 or #4″
and of course, they wanted basically a return for a #1
Placing bets on the arms of Bedard and Jiminez would have been even bigger. Absolutely nothing out there this year, unless you wanted NY to pay for the priviledge of being raped.
“As for Banuelos, his innings limit this year is around 150. He will most likely make 3-4 starts @ AAA. As for moving him to the pen in Sep, the problem was not Joba finishing 2007 in the pen, the problem was him not returning to AAA in 2008.”
Yes. Bringing Joba up in 2007 was fine…..what they did afterwards was where the problem arose.
If they think Manny can help this year then bring him up and see…..just so long as he starts 2012 in the SWB rotation and stays there most of the season. They can build him up right and still be him in the bigs by age 22…..with no innings limits….ready to go.
GB, did tyanks ever answer your Cody Johnson question? I sent her an email about it.
MTU,
I agree…..but I think they thought the risk of that was worth taking to avoid what was looking like an overpay and bad trade. Funny that the Rocks are calling Ubaldo a #2 now……they sure weren’t asking a #2 price a few hours ago.
I also think Cash didn’t want to fire his bullets yet with…
Liriano, Hamels, Oswalt, Cain, Marcum & Weaver (2012 free agents), J. Johnson (salary rising to 14M), Hernandez (salary rising to 18M).
Some of these guys are going to hit the market this offseason.
realKevin -
Wow. How professional of him.
Glad Cashman stuck to his guns.
I know another really solid arm in the rotation could only have helped. I fervently believed it was not Jimenez.
I am rooting for Nova to stay.
I am rooting for Hughes to be allowed to work it out in AAA and come back stronger next season.
I am rooting for a little more run support for AJ, who’s done very well in those games where the Yankees don’t score, so I’m rooting for LATE support.
For certain Montero will be here September 1, but wouldn’t it be nice if he got an opportunity sometime in August?
Id much rather have the unknown happen. We can look at stats all we want but if banuelos comes up here and pitches lights out then people will forget about the 1.5 whip he had AA. Conversely, if he was pitching lights out with a 1.24 era and got shelled in his first MLB start then people would deem him not ready. Smh!!!!
Yeah, YankeeFem. apparently there’s beem no change on his stance. If they can find a new one that works for him, he could move fast. I didnotice that he has being installed in left field since going to Tampa.
I wouldn’t include Liriano and Oswalt in that group. Oswalt is getting too old to worry about acquiring him for a long-term solution.
Did anyone see the poll during the game about people’s favorite part of the trade deadline? I couldn’t help but wonder why “When it ends” wasn’t one of the choices!!!!
I don’t know about Colon….gotta see how his health shakes out and he is 38….but Id almost be planning on bringin Garcia back next year if he stays healthy…..I mean who is a better regular season #4/5 starter than this guy…..he’s been awesome this year and he really was pretty good last year as well…..
Hope Chad is working on Cashman presser comments.
Blake-
I think we both agreed on what we thought would have been a fair deal for
U-Jim.
I soured on that after I heard that the Rox were reluctant to provide info.
regarding his health status.
That smelled worse than a Tuna processing plant at that point.
Just wasn’t meant to be. I’m fine with it. Have been all along.
Just wish we could have mitigated some of the risk associated with relying on Bartolo to get us to the promised land is all.
Wasn’t possible so we go with what we’ve got and hope for the best.
Hamels is the guy they need to target after next season…….him and Kemp. Keep the kids and add those two via free agency and potential powerhouse team in 2013.
There’s only a month or so left in the MilB season. If they send Hughes down to start 5 or so games, what do you do with him in September?
Having watched Adam Warren pitch this past Monday in SWB, I’m sure he could help the Yankees this season. He has good control, a good mix of pitches, and good command of all his pitches.
I saw Montero hit a monster shot, as well as Vasquez, but neither showed much of any thing else in the 2 games I saw them play. Montero looked much better behind the plate than some scouts mention, so, I don’t think his defense is much to be concerned with. Montero and Vasquez look like high SO players, not ready for prime time, JMHO.
Tom-
Re-evaluate and go from there.
One thing is certain. Going forward to the playoffs, there’s more trust in Bartolo Colon as the No. 2 starter behind C.C. than there is for Burnett.
Welcome back Al.
GB, he is still striking out @50% of his AB’s with a .688 SLG. He some shots in Trenton but big, holey swing. You’d think they would tinker with the stance if they are going to keep him around.
How is the milb feed tonight on the SWB game? Is it viewable? Montero not playing, I see… Must be just a day off after 9 straight games.
MTU -
Got back last night, I’ll never do that drive again, too long for an old man. It was a great trip, but, there’s nothing like home.
If Cashman truly believes that Montero would have been the best prospect moving had he been traded, why is he not being given a chance in the bigs?
There comes a point where you try out some young talent, even in a pennant race, to see what you have. Especially when that prospect could be better than one of the players filling that position now, it just reaches a point where it makes you wonder if it is just hype or his real feelings.
It doesn’t even mean bringing him up for good, if he doesn’t handle the transition well, he would have options. Seems a low risk move for something that might also excite the fans as well as the clubhouse.
Blake,
I’m dieing to see how the Phillies pay 3 pitchers 20M each. I would love to see the Yankees sign Hamels or Cain in 2012. I would ante up in a trade for Hernandez or Johnson (If healthy). I would not invest long term in Weaver, I can’t see how he ages well throwing 90-92 mph now.
YF, they need to send #44 to Florida to work on his swing and stance. jackson knows swings of power hitters.
The feed is good, YF. Vazquez has a 2 run single. gave Mitchell a 2-0 first inning lead. He’s been hit hard tonight. Gave up 3 runs in the first.
MTU,
If Bucholtz can’t go Boston is looking at Bedard and Lackey in games 3 and 4.
Blake-
I have no idea what Bedard will be able to provide at this point in his career.
His health has always been an issue.
Not even going to try to predict one way or another.
Lackey inspires absolutely no fear anymore.
I’m sure they were hoping to Lester, Buckett, and the Mortician.
We’re light after CC and Bartolo but I like what we have better than that.
The Sux better pray that Buttholz makes it back.
JK,
Agreed.
I think Bucholtz is seriously injured, which, given their rotation woes, put the RS in a position where they had to get another starter. Theo waiting on saying anything till the second opinion is in? Sounds somewhat ominous.
Chad has the weekend off. You need to bug, Brian, WCYF.
I don’t mind that we stood pat. That’s better than picking up rubbish. O’dowd is a p****. Seriously, he managed to insult everyone this week.
Harden? Not better than Nova.
Bedard? I hope this one blows up for Boston, since I dislike them both.
Jimenez? May have dodged a bullet with that one, according to his own ex-GM.
Mets weren’t going to give us Beltran who really had no place to play here.
None of the relievers would have really helped us. We have enough setup men as it is.
We’ve had some success with homegrown players, I think the non-moves will play off.
And people should stop making blanket statements about Montero. Stuff like Cashman hates Montero. Seriously?
*pay off
The Sox are a Beckett back injury away from being in trouble rotation wise…..you coukd say that if any team but they are carrying a lot of.injury risk right now.
Oh and weren’t they supposed to be winning the east in a landslide by now…..
“The Sox are a Beckett back injury away from being in trouble rotation wise”
C’mon epidural. Please wear off.
Cashman has very few teams it seems he can go to and be treated fairly regarding trades……and none of those have recently had the players the Yankees need. Big market and small market teams can work together for each other benefit …..they just both have to be willing. Cash and Towers will make a big deal at some point in the future I bet.
WCYF,
Looks like Carig is on a lot of the Cashman stuff.
“A few of you asked me to ask about Montero. Cashman’s response: “Let’s put it this way, if Montero was traded at this trade deadline, he would have been the best player moved of anyone at the deadline, prospect wise.”
Cash’s response doesn’t even answer the question! What I think he’s trying to say is that there was no one on the market worth giving up Montero for.
Boston offense can make up for the rotation being in a morgue.
“Cash and Towers will make a big deal at some point in the future I bet.”
Any ideas ?
Faith in Montero!! Now bring him up!
m July 31st, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Chad has the weekend off. You need to bug, Brian, WCYF.
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Ah that explains no post. I saw the entire Cashman presser, I just thought it would be helpful around here; there is so much erroneous info floating around.
Tom, if you send Hughes down now, you let him finish off the season and then tell him they are shutting him down. You tell him that he’s competing for a spot in the rotation next year and that it would behoove him to come to camp in shape.
“Boston offense can make up for the rotation being in a morgue.”
Yea they can.to.some extent…..but not every night. Even good offenses slump ….that’s why pitching is more reliable to put your faith in in the postseason.
MTU,
Only guy that comes to mind now is mr obvious in RF
Towers might develop a pitching gem or two though that they can’t afford somewhere down the line.
Blake-
Mr. Obvious would sure look good in PS.
I think Montero only come up after the SWB season is over. It appears the Yankee FO don’t have enough faith in his ability to handle MLB pitching, and pitchers, at this time. If they did have the faith in him, that a #3 MiLB prospect should have, he’d be here already. Another block, perhaps, is Posada at DH, thus if Montero only caught once or twice a week, and didn’t DH the other days, he would not get enough playing time to develop at the MLB level.
FWIW I think they should send Phil down soon also if he doesn’t look a world better in his next start. He’s just not pitching as well as the other 5 guys they have and he just doesn’t look right out there……doesn’t look comfortable or sure of what he’s trying to do……looks hesitant…..tentative…..you can’t pitch like that with success at the big league level. There is no shame in going down and figuring things out to achieve a net gain long term…..lots of good pitchers have done it.
I’d go all out for J Upton if i’m dealing with Towers. They are 4 games out of the wildcard so if they finish out of the playoff race then maybe next winter something happens, but I think Cashman would want to hold onto his pawns for a big time pitcher IMO.
hope montero get called up beginning of the white sox series.
Maybe the whole thing with Montero not being called up is because of Posada. Alot of pride on the line, but Yanks should do the obvious right thing and call up Jesus. Bench Posada.
“Tom, if you send Hughes down now, you let him finish off the season and then tell him they are shutting him down. You tell him that he’s competing for a spot in the rotation next year and that it would behoove him to come to camp in shape.”
betsy-
i think they should tell hughes either he comes into camp in shape or they are sending him to you for some serious personal training.
that should scare the bejesus out of him and get him into camp in good shape
Later folks, have a good night.
Blake,
AL east is out, they all hate the Yankees
Tex ownership has issues with us
Twins GM is a problem
Seattle GM is a problem
Angels rarely sells off
Oak GM is difficult
KC rarely has what we need, which is pitching
Seems like Cash can only deal with Detroit, White-sox & Indians in the AL. The problem with going to the NL for pitchers is the transition to the AL east makes it 50/50.
You can go with a 6 man rotation thru August till the callups in Sept.
Only problem is it limits your bench like today with Cervelli at 2nd.
Phil had better be Aces in next start or he will be sent down.
Might not be room for him in the pen.
Randy, I’m the worst person that anyone should be coming to for personal training as I am the world’s oldest and biggest couch potato, lol.
He should be nervous because his situation here is pretty tenuous. It really is nothing personal against Phil, but I have never understood players not coming to camp in shape – Abreu, Damon, Joba, Phil…… This is probably rock bottom for him, so maybe that’s a good thing. There’s always someone ready to take your job, so when you are a professional athlete, you can’t get complacent. I don’t think this is all his fault as I think the innings jump last year was a killer, but now it’s time that he takes stock of where he’s at and what he needs to do to improve.
Hughes hadn’t pitched 100 innings since 2007. 60+ innings is a Hell of a jump in innings. 146 innings was his career high in 2006