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Road work ahead for the Yankees

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 01, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees will be living out of a suitcase for much of these final two months. They play 60.7 percent of their remaining games away from Yankee Stadium. There are 56 games left, and 34 of them are away games.

So far, the Yankees are 27-20 on the road compared to 37-22 at home.

In August, they have 30 games, 21 of them on the road. Tonight marks the beginning of a seven-game trip. The Yankees have four in Chicago, then a large three-game series at Fenway. They enter August two games back of the Red Sox.

“I think it’s an important road trip,” Joe Girardi said. “We’re going to be making a lot of road trips the next two months. We’ve played pretty well on the road. We need to continue to do that.”

CC Sabathia will go after his 16th win tonight. Jake Peavy will take the start for the White Sox. Game time is 8:10 Eastern. YES has the telecast.

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562 Responses to “Road work ahead for the Yankees”

  1. blake August 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Good thing they’ve built a pretty nice cushion in the WC…..about 8 games.

  2. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    “how about a LH bench guy with 10 hr in 96 ab’s and a .960 ops?”

  3. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am

    So far, the Yankees are 27-20 on the road compared to 37-22 at home.
    ———————————

    Chad- Isn’t that road record the 2nd best in AL, after Boston? In fact it would rank right up there with Philly who has the best road record % in NL.

  4. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Gary August 1st, 2011 at 9:09 am
    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 8:59 am
    damon’s obp < jeter's

    __________________________________________________________________

    Jeter 84 Games, 94 Hits, 4 HR, 30 BB, 50 Runs, 36 RBI's

    Damon 98 Games 107 Hits, 9 HR, 28 BB, 50 Runs, 48 RBI's

    Posada 85 Games 62 Hits, 9HR, 32 BB, 23 Runs, 30 RBI's

    I don't see your point on big difference in Jeter/Damon. I threw Posada's stats in for giggles or frowns.

  5. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am

    …that would be the giambino (currently on the dl)…..i know what you’re gonna say…7 of his 10 home runs were hit on the road

  6. 108 stitches August 1st, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Get used to the road grays with NEW YORK on the front. The Yankees get booed on the road at most venues but it makes them play better.
    Let’s start August off right with a good win in C.C.’s quest for 20 + wins. Run support will be key for these road trips.

  7. MTU August 1st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Blake-

    Yeah. They might need it.

    ;)

  8. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:11 am

    my ‘point’ was clear, his obp is lower than jeters. was i wrong?

  9. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Both the Yankees and Paul McCartney are in Chicago tonight. Will I be going to see either one? No, I will not. Grrrrrr. :x

  10. blake August 1st, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Wonder if Adam Dunn had a CC Sabathia nightmare last night……

  11. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:14 am

    adam dunn (and alex rios) must be having alot of nightmares this season. i know i do because i’ve had both of them on most of my fbb teams this season.

  12. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    So, buchholz is out for the year……

    We’ll see how erik bedard does with a small dose of boston baseball pressure….

    oh, good morning all.

  13. MTU August 1st, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Blake-

    Most likely result in a 4 game set is a split.

    Unless, of course, you get to play the O’s.

  14. Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    “Wonder if Adam Dunn had a CC Sabathia nightmare last night……”

    http://cdn.newsday.com/polopol...../image.JPG

  15. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    bedard pitched this w/e didnt he? so he’s already overdue to go back on the dl.

  16. MTU August 1st, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I didn’t check.

    Was the Mortician’s injury a stress fracture in the back ?

    TIA.

  17. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Musta been some heavy laptops…

  18. blake August 1st, 2011 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    Yea I don’t like 4 game series and it seems they’ve played a lot of them lately. A split on the road is always acceptable but we’ll see…..fairly big start for Hughes tomorrow I think against Danks.

  19. Gary August 1st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:11 am
    my ‘point’ was clear, his obp is lower than jeters. was i wrong?

    _______________________________________________________________________________

    Jeter .330, Damon .325 Maybe a difference of 2-3 AB’s. It’s not a big deal for all purposes they are the same., it’s lkike splitting hairs0.

    Posada .318 OBP
    Martain .326 OBP

  20. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:24 am

    heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am
    Musta been some heavy laptops?

    *********************

    :D

  21. Howard August 1st, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Musta been some heavy laptops?

    *********************

    Eh…they went something like 25-5 in the last month without Buchholz or Bedard, so color me the skeptic that Bedard is going to “hurt” them in any way. He’s a talented guy, a lefty, and when he’s healthy, he’s not a problem to anyone’s rotation..much less one that will probably give him more run support than he’s ever had.
    If you’re telling me you’d rather face Bedard than Wakefield this weekend, you’re crazy.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:28 am

    ..& excluding the King of Kings :D…

  23. MTU August 1st, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Blake-

    Nova is clearly better right now.

    I have to admit I thought his arm would respond to the rest better than it has.

    I hope he can pull it together because having 2 quality young starters is better
    than having only one.

    He needs to work really hard in the OS. Another trip to API might be in order.

    I’m not making any excuses for him but the fact is he has had some really bad luck with his
    health over the years.

  24. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:29 am

    jnorris427 Just got emails back from two scouts who like the idea of Banuelos finding his way to NY this year as a reliever. #Yankees

  25. MTU August 1st, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Gotta run. catch you all later.

    Have a good day.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Banuelos = elite Gummy Bear :D

  27. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:31 am

    and id’ point out that people are carping about posada and jeter not doing much so why would you be happy with a guy who doesnt have much power, cant play the field and doesnt get on base any more than the guys everybody is complaining about?

  28. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 9:33 am

    b/c it is Johnny D, silly Ys Guy :)

  29. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    im down with manny making a little splash in the bronx this year. you knew when they delayed the start of the season for both manny and dellin they had to be thinking about maybe using them in august or september in the bronx. looks like its still a possiblility.

  30. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 9:34 am

    According to sources close to organization, Trenton catcher Austin Romine, then Dellin Betances, will be next to board the SWB shuttle, with top overall prospect Jesus Montero expected to join the Yankees’ lineup in the very near future.

    http://www.nj.com/thunder/inde....._banu.html

  31. Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:35 am

    “According to sources close to organization, Trenton catcher Austin Romine, then Dellin Betances, will be next to board the SWB shuttle, with top overall prospect Jesus Montero expected to join the Yankees’ lineup in the very near future.”

    :mrgreen:

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Complaints about Jeter?

    Last 94 PAs: .306/.362/.471/.832 62B 13B, 2HR, 7BB, 4SB

  33. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 9:36 am

    From Chicago Tribune:

    After being bruised in the left calf with a fourth-inning pitch Sunday, Paul Konerko is doubtful for Monday’s game at U.S. Cellular Field.

    Yes Hughes is supposedly matching up with Danks on Tuesday

  34. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Anyone watch Larry David last night?

    Its theme was “smiley faces”
    Last week it was LOL

    Very funny!

    Will I stop using LOL or emoticons. NO

  35. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Tom in N.J. – that’s real interesting. I read the whole article in the Scranton Trib, by John Nalbone (give credit where it is due). I’d wager that Montero is in NY within the week, possibly when they feel they can give up one of the bullpen pitchers (currently 13-man staff), rather than send down a player, even Cervelli. Though, sending down Cisco is certainly an option. This is where Jorge’s situation really hurts the team. Cervelli, for all his flaws (overdramatized, IMO), still can do more for you than Jorge.

    I’d like Montero on the big league roster in time for October eligibility.

  36. CountryClub August 1st, 2011 at 9:39 am

    A lot of times pitchers that go through a dead arm period (especially young pitchers that are experiencing the dead arm because of a huge innings jump) dont get back to normal until the following season. In Phil’s case, 2012.

  37. blake August 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Hooray! Montero

  38. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    jerkface – sorry, didn’t mean to leave you out of giving credit :)

  39. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am

    wondering if that mens jesus is coming like this week when they send another pitcher down? they usually try to bring guys like him up on the road.

  40. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Didn’t Cole Hamel have a dead arm mess him up for 2009? Looks like he came back pretty darn well….

  41. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Complaints about Jeter?

    Last 94 PAs: .306/.362/.471/.832 62B 13B, 2HR, 7BB, 4SB
    ********

    He’s been doing a better job of driving the ball. Even ground balls don’t seem as weak as early on this season. Hopefully his hand doesn’t affect him too much

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Far short of sucking, Posada is now getting comfortable again after not playing due to NL road trip & AS Break:

    Last 29 PAs: .333 with .379 OBP

  43. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Yankee Trader-yet another hilarious Curb Your Enthusiasm. I kind of want to do that smiley face with sunscreen.

    (and LOL is ok as long as you don’t say it out loud. Just laugh). ;)

  44. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:43 am

    nobody has any clue how to develop a pitcher to avoid injuries, nobody. the verducci list this year had phil and nova at the top, one guy is dead in the water the other guy is fine.

    i dont think rushing him or moving him or rules had anything to do with joba’s injury, its just what happens. same with phil. i say you use these guys when you think they can handle it and when they can help you, you dont wildly overuse them and you cross your fingers that they stay healthy (they wont) and thrive (most dont) and you get what you get.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:44 am

    heyman – I know, I am really concerned about that hand. Why does this happen before going to Boston :(

  46. Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:44 am

    You what may, and let me stress the may, happen? Posada may be left off the post season roster.

  47. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Didn?t Cole Hamel have a dead arm mess him up for 2009? Looks like he came back pretty darn well?.
    *****

    Yea, he pretty much carried them on his back through their run to the 08WS. Big jump in IP’s, not unlike Phil last year

  48. Mgumpher August 1st, 2011 at 9:45 am

    The Yanks are carrying too many pitchers right now. I know they have concern about the depth that some of the starters have given lately, but 13 pitchers is too much.

    Posada will get ABs but Montero will be given a couple of chances to show if he is ready to hit in the majors. If he does, it will then fall to him being able to handle enough behind the plate to maybe get a couple games a week as C, then a couple days as DH.

    The chances will increase or decrease dependent on how he does, or at least how it looks like he is doing, over some results.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:35 am
    “According to sources close to organization, Trenton catcher Austin Romine, then Dellin Betances, will be next to board the SWB shuttle, with top overall prospect Jesus Montero expected to join the Yankees’ lineup in the very near future.”
    ///

    Cool. Do you have a link for that?
    ///
    Just don’t take my son away from me before Wednesday, Yankees.

  50. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Chocolate covered pretzels?! Get the hell out of here! I’m not calling you dog anymore, from now on its dino. F you, dog!!

  51. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Jerkface doesn’t exist in the Prufrock-verse :(

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:44 am
    You what may, and let me stress the may, happen? Posada may be left off the post season roster.
    ////

    I very much doubt that

  53. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:48 am

    they played 4 games in 48 hours, thats the only reason they have 13 pitchers. they will make a move before tonights game. someone will likely be ‘injured’ so they can bring pena back up.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Well if you want to get technical, Prufrock ONLY exists in verse

  55. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    List of NYY active roster:

    Who goes if Montero brought up? If Hughes has a bad outing Tuesday Night, might the Yankees use the remaining option on him and send him down?

    Cory Wade?
    Our new part-time 2nd baseman-Cervelli?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=nyy

  56. pat August 1st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    re: The sometimes angst about players being “rushed”

    For decades, players have been called up and sent back down if they were over their heads- even some current and future HOFers. Only way to really know if they are ready is to think they are prepared and let them try.

    And to further reduce angst, I’ve driven Route 80 between NY and PA thousands of times and can vouch that there are east and west bound lanes on it so theres a way to get back to PA if things don’t work out in NY and no toll on the GWB in that direction either!

  57. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:50 am

    no question that if he is slumping at the end of the season, po is in danger of not being on the roster. but its a long way to october and he can get on another streak anytime, so thats way down the road.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:40 am
    wondering if that mens jesus is coming like this week when they send another pitcher down? they usually try to bring guys like him up on the road.
    ///

    Jesus, we’d like to introduce you to the Green Monster :D

  59. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 9:47 am
    Chocolate covered pretzels?! Get the hell out of here! I?m not calling you dog anymore, from now on its dino. F you, dog!!

    *****************

    :lol:

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    I’ve got a stack of journals to work through but they sit there as I fritter away time reading the boards. I’m so jacked about the young players being on the move & the Boston series looming, with ARod heading back to us in a couple of weeks, I can’t settle down or get anything done.

  61. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Jerkface
    what does that even mean? Is there some saber stat for choc covered pretzels or snack food in general?

  62. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 9:55 am

    No way Cory Wade goes before Ayala. Bullpen hierarchy seems to have wade above Ayala. Cervelli would get sent down I think. They can option him.

  63. Mgumpher August 1st, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:48 am
    they played 4 games in 48 hours, thats the only reason they have 13 pitchers. they will make a move before tonights game. someone will likely be ?injured? so they can bring pena back up.

    +++++++++++

    Pena wouldn’t be coming back. He had surgery that will keep him at least 6 weeks, probably more.

  64. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Jesus, we’d like to introduce you to the Green Monster
    —————————————
    T.S.–Perfect!!!

    NY Headline-”Green Monster Double by Monstero leads to Yankees Win”

  65. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    JonLaneNYC Jesus Montero last 10 G: .289-2-13, 4 2B, .553 SLG, .908 OPS. Per @JackCurryYES, #Yankees folks ‘drooling about’ his offense again

  66. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 9:58 am

    i think if they have any doubts about jeter b/c of the finger they have to bring pena back (which requires and injury). so jesus likely isnt going to chicago. but once they are ok with jeter, i think pena goes back down and jesus comes up. they still have martin/cervelli as emergency 3bmen.

  67. mick August 1st, 2011 at 9:59 am

    As for her parents, I can assure her majesty they weren’t the schmucks I was referring to.

    The trolls aren’t the only one’s leading the good posters away from this community.
    =======================================================
    Amen, G. Love…

  68. upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    didn’t Pena just have an appendectomy?

  69. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Ys Guy-Pena isn’t an option is he? He had an appendectomy a few weeks ago.

  70. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am

    mgumpher thanks i didn know pena was injured, i have only been seeing parts of games lately, thanks. so what do they do if jeter’s finger is not good? they need another IF if they have any doubts.

  71. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    upstate kate August 1st, 2011 at 10:00 am
    didn’t Pena just have an appendectomy?
    —————————
    It’s just a mere flesh wound! :) Monty Python in The Holy Grail

  72. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 10:02 am

    laird and g molina are the only IF’s in scranton on the 40.

  73. MLink August 1st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Does anyone want to join a good sportsbook? very good bonus, free payouts, just let me know, i know its football season and everyone is wanting to deposit, just thought id spread the word

    esteam58@yahoo.com if you want to get set up with an acct

  74. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    id say laird is probably flying to chitown today.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:03 am

    T.S.–Perfect!!!

    NY Headline-”Green Monster Double by Monstero leads to Yankees Win”
    ///

    Monstero…I like it :D

  76. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Mothers hide your Nicks in SFs

  77. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Monstero…I like it
    ————————-
    Why thank you, my esteemed poet!! :)

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:07 am

    YT, technically, I’m just the poem ;)

  79. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am

    The Sox had a deal in place to acquire Kuroda for Tim Federowicz and another prospect Saturday night, reports McAdam, but the righty rejected it. The Kuroda talks were later used as a base for GM Theo Epstein to acquire Trayvon Robinson, who they sent to Seattle in the Bedard deal.
    ———————————————–
    Thank you Hiroki for utilizing your NTC clause.

  80. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am

    sterling working on his montero hr call(s) right now…

  81. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Prufrock-

    Poem, Poet, Poster. Always enjoy your entries on the blog!

  82. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Why the F were the yankees supposed to be sending like Romine or Montero for Kuroda if the Sox were getting him for Evil Cervelli+?

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 9:35 am
    “According to sources close to organization, Trenton catcher Austin Romine, then Dellin Betances, will be next to board the SWB shuttle, with top overall prospect Jesus Montero expected to join the Yankees’ lineup in the very near future.”
    ////

    Found the source:

    http://www.nj.com/thunder/inde....._banu.html:

  84. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    sterling working on his montero hr call(s) right now…

    Awwww there it goes to deep right! It is high! It is far! It issssssssss GONE! Jesus Montero crushes one opposite field… ohhh The King of Kings! The Bomb of Bombs!

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Likewise, YT

  86. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Wow it must have been so hard to find that link right above the Tom in NJ post.

  87. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 10:09 am
    sterling working on his montero hr call(s) right now…

    It is high, It is far, it is Monstero gone!

  88. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 10:15 am

    i dont think rushing him or moving him or rules had anything to do with joba’s injury, its just what happens.

    ————————————–

    Oh yes 2-3 inning relief starts are just something that happens. The Yankees played Stretch Armstrong with Joba lol

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    JF, the yanks won’t want him to piss off the church. He’ll have to play it really safe.

  90. Triple Short of a Cycle August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Jerkface,

    Well according to LGY a Yankee tax doesn’t exist

  91. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Pretty sure Joba had to get TJS because he wasn’t built for the bullpen ;)

  92. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am

    I’d expect the Yankees to bring Montero up after the Boston series, not before it. As with Laird, bring him in with weaker pitching staffs

  93. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    The dodgers are the only team that not only didnt acquire anyone but ended the deadline with worse prospects than when they began.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:17 am

    I see link was posted by JF. Didn’t realize he was quoting yours, JF.

  95. Tom in N.J. August 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Gadzooks Jesús!

  96. Yankee Trader August 1st, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Gotta go. Have a great day all. Yankees beat Peavy tonight!! CC now 16-5

  97. Hassey August 1st, 2011 at 10:19 am

    What will this board be like if Montero absolutely sux for his first 50 PA?

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am
    Pretty sure Joba had to get TJS because he wasn’t built for the bullpen
    ///

    Exactly. You know if that had happened in a starting role, Francesa & his ilk would have been pissing all over the Yankees for having in an “unnatural” role.

  99. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:20 am

    What will this board be like if Montero absolutely sux for his first 50 PA?

    Patient, his OPS will rise again

  100. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I wanted Montero up at the beginning of the season so they could get the rocky adjustment period out of the way.

  101. 86w183 August 1st, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Hassey —- It’ll be like Jorge was still in there vs LHP!

  102. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Looks like we are moving the Killer B’s up in order to have everything in order by August 31st. deadline, so kids can potentially be added to 25 man if we deem them both bullpen worthy for playoffs. Glad I smartly arranged my August vacation when Yanks are on the road. And to New England no less; we should be in first place by the time I hit Newport Beach. :)

    Any bets on what date Montero makes his debut?

  103. austinmac August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Pena is out with an appendectomy so he will not be called up. Luckely, Jeter’s injury is short-lived.

  104. Triple Short of a Cycle August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Francessa will blame the injury on putting him in the starting role to begin with. It is a win win for Mike. Joba does well in relief and Mike was right all along and that was his role and if he doesn’t do well or gets hurt its because he was made into a starter

  105. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Worried that Jeter getting hit on the hand is going to set back all his progress hitting.

  106. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 10:23 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 10:16 am
    Pretty sure Joba had to get TJS because he wasn’t built for the bullpen
    ///

    Exactly. You know if that had happened in a starting role, Francesa & his ilk would have been pissing all over the Yankees for having in an “unnatural” role.

    —————————————–

    Lol he’s still banging the drum for him to be the future closer of the team. With guys like Drob and maybe Sori(if he’s still on the team) ahead of him I don’t see that happening.

  107. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 10:23 am

    What will this board be like if Montero absolutely sux for his first 50 PA?
    ********

    Some user names will automatically changed to “pontius pilate”

  108. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Yes, I too am concerned; Jeter was driving the ball.

  109. Mgumpher August 1st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Jeter’s injury shouldn’t keep him out long, but will he be able to keep hitting?

    Chavez and Nunez should be able to cover things well enough, if there is another problem then Laird will get his second cup of coffee.

  110. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Hassey August 1st, 2011 at 10:19 am
    What will this board be like if Montero absolutely sux for his first 50 PA?

    **************************

    You sure you want an answer to that question? ;)

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:26 am

    yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am
    Looks like we are moving the Killer B’s up in order to have everything in order by August 31st. deadline, so kids can potentially be added to 25 man if we deem them both bullpen worthy for playoffs. Glad I smartly arranged my August vacation when Yanks are on the road. And to New England no less; we should be in first place by the time I hit Newport Beach.

    Any bets on what date Montero makes his debut?
    ///

    It pays to have a plan :D. Montero plane ticket to Logan Airport!

  112. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2011 at 10:27 am

    pat -

    I like your reference to Route 80 between NY and PA. ( Having just driven it, the NJ portion is the real drag!!!)

    Looks like there will be a new cast of characters for me to visit in Trenton very soon.

    Y’s Guy -

    Why are you trying to make sense here vis-a-vis pitchers and their development and use?

  113. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am

    It will be interesting to see who gets called up. I would love to see Marshall in Trenton. :)

  114. Mgumpher August 1st, 2011 at 10:28 am

    If Montero really stuggles he will be sent back down. The biggest thing won’t be results as much as it will be how he is hitting or not. If he is driving the ball to players in the outfield, it won’t be a big problem. If he is grounding out all the time or swinging and missing, it will be an entirely different matter.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Lol he’s still banging the drum for him to be the future closer of the team. With guys like Drob and maybe Sori(if he’s still on the team) ahead of him I don’t see that happening.
    ///

    Odds, let’s see what Rothschild’s take is when our boy is ready to go again. We may like what we hear.

  116. Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am

    yankeefeminista/J Alfred Prufrock -

    I had the thought yesterday, after reading Cashman’s comments about Montero, that they would bring him up sometime before August 31st, so that he could indeed be in play post-season. Glad to see that it could extend to both Banuelos and Betances. It will be nice to see how they do in some meaningful games before/during September.

    And, as pat said, if it doesn’t work, Route 80 does indeed go east AND west!

  117. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 10:31 am

    # Triple Short of a Cycle August 1st, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Francessa will blame the injury on putting him in the starting role to begin with. It is a win win for Mike. Joba does well in relief and Mike was right all along and that was his role and if he doesn’t do well or gets hurt its because he was made into a starter

    ———————————

    I’m trying to understand this weird fetish that ppl have with closers. I’m not doubting their importance but why is it that every kid that throws hard has to be in the pen. Like Harold who basically went nuts when the Rays decided to continue to develop Price as a starter.

  118. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Pruf, QFT, perhaps last chance to see Dellin in AA.

    VNY, verrry interesting. This year just got a whole lot more exciting.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:33 am

    If there’s one thing we can not worry about, it’s that Montero won’t hit. How quickly he acclimates will be determined by how much time he gets to do so, as well as the results determining how long his debut lasts. Long-term, there is no worry about his inevitable ability to hit here.

    I’d like to see more than a token chance to get the bat warmed up. Once it’s warm, it stays, unless he’s a disaster behind the plate, which I think is highly unlikely.

  120. Hassey August 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Did Texas’ bullpen pickups just give them the AL? Or will Texas fans regret swapping Vladdie’s playoff bat for Beltre’s? They sure had the mojo last year, but it doesn;t mean they’ll have it this year…or the SP…

  121. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 10:34 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Lol he’s still banging the drum for him to be the future closer of the team. With guys like Drob and maybe Sori(if he’s still on the team) ahead of him I don’t see that happening.
    ///

    Odds, let’s see what Rothschild’s take is when our boy is ready to go again. We may like what we hear.

    ————————–

    Hopefully that’s the case. I don’t think it will happen but anything is possible.

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am
    yankeefeminista/J Alfred Prufrock -

    I had the thought yesterday, after reading Cashman’s comments about Montero, that they would bring him up sometime before August 31st, so that he could indeed be in play post-season. Glad to see that it could extend to both Banuelos and Betances. It will be nice to see how they do in some meaningful games before/during September.

    And, as pat said, if it doesn’t work, Route 80 does indeed go east AND west!
    ///

    Villa, I hope it’s for Boston. The problem with Joba was they never exercised the 80 west option :(.

    Manny/Dellin taste through BP would be good for both.

  123. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:42 am

    If Hughes doesn’t pitch his next start after tomorrow, ManBan is right on sched to slot in on Sunday vs. Boston. Just sayin’… ;)

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am

    I’m trying to understand this weird fetish that ppl have with closers. I’m not doubting their importance but why is it that every kid that throws hard has to be in the pen. Like Harold who basically went nuts when the Rays decided to continue to develop Price as a starter.
    ///

    Odds, takes advantage of velo right away without development headaches. Price told the Rays “I’m not meant for BP”. Not too late for Yanks change of heart. We seem to have an endless supply of BP candidates. Great SPs? Much harder to come by, as you know.

  125. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    If Hughes doesn?t pitch his next start after tomorrow, ManBan is right on sched to slot in on Sunday vs. Boston. Just sayin??
    ******

    idk about that…they’re 1-7 against Boston. Even with a comfortable lead in the WC, I don’t think they’ll send Manny out against Boston

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:42 am
    If Hughes doesn’t pitch his next start after tomorrow, ManBan is right on sched to slot in on Sunday vs. Boston. Just sayin’…
    ///

    Hahaha. Just throw him right in the fire, there. He could give us five quality innings, LOL. ;)

  127. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Is there anyone in Yankees mgmt or a fan that isn’t hoping for a pulled hammy for Posada that sidelines him for some weeks?

    It’s the easiest solution to having to deal with the ego, get him out of the lineup, bring up Montero and get him some at bats to see what they have right now or whether he still needs time?

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:46 am

    I think she was kiddin’ heyman. Sort of ;).

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Interesting to know the Yankees run on Jorge’s “ego” & the lineup’s fate lies in his hamstring.

  130. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I was kidding. Sort of. ;)

  131. LGY August 1st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    same thing as the last time phil went to the pen… dont think he’ll be good at it, and we probably dont need him, he needs innings and starts…. how’d that work out?

    ———-

    Pretty poorly, considering his lack of innings in 2009 is a reasonable explanation for his lack of stamina towards the end of the season last year and the death of his right arm this year.

    The Yankees bullpen is very strong. Hughes’ future as a starter is more important than any slight upgrade he adds out there, if he is even an upgrade at all.

    He needs innings.

  132. LGY August 1st, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Free Jesus!!

  133. 86w183 August 1st, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I would imagine the pitching this week will be CC, PH, AJ, BC, IN, CC, FG

    Even if Phil is awful he wouldn’t be needed til Monday and that’s when the decision needs to be made regarding him vs Nova.

  134. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 10:59 am

    But what really is the decision on Hughes? You send him to AAA to pitch as a starter or do you start looking to postseason as an arm for the bullpen? I imagine if he goes down he continues to pitch as a starter especially if someone gets hurt, but does he make a postseason roster as a reliever? That’s a tough one with Robertson, hopefully Soriano and then Mo. You run the risk of screwing around with him again too if you do that.

  135. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:39 am
    Villa Nova-Ya August 1st, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Villa, I hope it’s for Boston. The problem with Joba was they never exercised the 80 west option .
    ______
    For Joba they never exercised the NJ Turnpike option either.

  136. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Harold Reynolds*

  137. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:00 am

    LGY August 1st, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Free Jesus!!
    ____
    AMEN!

  138. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 11:03 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am

    I’m trying to understand this weird fetish that ppl have with closers. I’m not doubting their importance but why is it that every kid that throws hard has to be in the pen. Like Harold who basically went nuts when the Rays decided to continue to develop Price as a starter.
    ///

    Odds, takes advantage of velo right away without development headaches. Price told the Rays “I’m not meant for BP”. Not too late for Yanks change of heart. We seem to have an endless supply of BP candidates. Great SPs? Much harder to come by, as you know.

    ———————————————-

    Yea they still have time to change things. I just feel the decision is set in stone because “he was made for the pen” ;)

  139. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 11:07 am

    nobody knows why joba got hurt, everybody has a theory and nobody has any proof. this happens across baseball, nobody can predict or prevent injuries to developing pitchers. its just as likely that he or any other pitcher got injured in the pen or in the rotation. if anybody knew how to prevent these kinds of injuries, they wouldnt be happening. blaming cashman or any other gm, manager, pitching coach or executive is total bs.

  140. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I’m trying to get tickets to tonight’s game. I don’t like to go see the boys when they are in town because every game I’ve gone to, they’ve lost. I’m beginning to think I’m some bad luck charm. :)

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Yea they still have time to change things. I just feel the decision is set in stone because “he was made for the pen”
    ///

    LOL. Hope not. New man around can affect change. Eiland & his “pitch to contact” crap is long gone.

  142. pat August 1st, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Laura

    I don;t believe in jinxes but I’ve read McCartney is in town, how about taking in a concert instead of a baseball game? :wink:

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Laura, stay home :D

  144. LGY August 1st, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I’m trying to get tickets to tonight’s game. I don’t like to go see the boys when they are in town because every game I’ve gone to, they’ve lost. I’m beginning to think I’m some bad luck charm.

    ——————-

    You can go if you bring Montero with you.

  145. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Laura, take one for the team. ;)

  146. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Preventing the injuries is one thing. But specifically Joba fell in the draft due to concerns on his ability to stay healthy over the long term the way he throws. My only issue is I hope he isn’t like Zumaya part two for the rest of his career which will be short lived if that’s the case.

  147. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Well, it *is* CC, so… if you must go to one of the games, tonight would be it…

  148. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Laura-I decided to skip seeing them at the Cell this year since I saw them at Wrigley. I’m starting to regret that decision. ;)

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 11:07 am
    nobody knows why joba got hurt, everybody has a theory and nobody has any proof. this happens across baseball, nobody can predict or prevent injuries to developing pitchers. its just as likely that he or any other pitcher got injured in the pen or in the rotation. if anybody knew how to prevent these kinds of injuries, they wouldnt be happening. blaming cashman or any other gm, manager, pitching coach or executive is total bs.
    ///

    The key is Joba’s velocity returned. They really have no good reason not to bring him back as a starter. Let’s see what happens in about a year & a half.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Erin, you’ve got a few hours to reverse course, no?

  151. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “Laura-I decided to skip seeing them at the Cell this year since I saw them at Wrigley. I’m starting to regret that decision. ”

    I purposely skipped the Wrigley series because I knew they were coming to the Cell and it’s a much better stadium.

    For all of you telling me to stay home, keep in mind that I still don’t have tickets yet. But I’m working on it. Don’t worry – I’ll bring a Rabbit’s foot with me to fend off all of the bad vibes. :)

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am

    My only issue is I hope he isn’t like Zumaya part two for the rest of his career which will be short lived if that’s the case.
    ///

    How about if he’s Joba 2008? That’s my ambition for him. With that arm, he should aim high & so should the Yankees. He’s only 25 years old.

  153. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 11:17 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:15 am
    Erin, you?ve got a few hours to reverse course, no?

    ************************

    I do. But I don’t think my boss would like it if I suddenly spent the rest of the day on StubHub. lol

    I tried to get tickets to Macca too with no luck. This is just not my day. :x

  154. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “You can go if you bring Montero with you.”

    If I had access to Montero, trust me – I wouldn’t be taking him to the ballpark. :P

  155. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Erin, if *you* are good luck, then you *must* find a way to attend. :)

  156. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Erin, would you believe that I didn’t even know Paul was coming to Chicago? I must be living in some sort of shell. And to make matters worse, I live all of 4 blocks from Wrigley. I could hear the songs, but they were muffled. Not quite the same thing as being there.

  157. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Laura, no corrupting of prospects!

  158. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:22 am

    “Laura, no corrupting of prospects!”

    How do you know he won’t be a better player after I’m done with him? :P

  159. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Well I think Joba showed good life to start this year again so that was an excellent sign. It always seemed like an injury was bound to pop up for him at some point. I am more hopeful he comes back strong than not. I think the downside type of guys is a Zumaya. The upside is still there though at his age as you said. I think the questions always revolved around the shoulder rather than the elbow. Not that that is necessarily a positive, but his shoulder seems to have been holding up just fine. Amazing he was still pitching with the tear though and generating that speed. How long was the tear actually there, did they ever say?

  160. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Laura, he needs to save his best for the stretch drive and playoffs. Stop thinking only about yourself. :)

  161. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 11:23 am

    No sweat, Jesus is incapable of corruption

  162. Ys Guy August 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am

    velocity returned or didnt, they dont know why jobas did or why phil’s didnt. nobody knows what causes these injuries or they would know how to avoid them and since they happen to pitchers in every organization at every level of development whether in the bp or the rotation, it is obvious that nobody knows the cause or the way to prevent them. you cant prove that joba’s injury was because of the way he was used any more than you can prove that cain killed abel.

    everybody’s opinion on why joba was injured related directly to thier preference for how the yankees should use him but there is no proof that any of that caused his injury.

  163. LGY August 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “The Yankees on Sunday made a play for Houston Astros left Wandy Rodriguez, but that push was driven by ownership, not Cashman, according to major-league sources. The Yankees were willing to pay $21 million of the $38 million remaining on the final three-plus years of Rodriguez’s contract, according to SI.com. The Astros, on the other hand, were willing to pay $2 million of Rodriguez’s salary this season or $5 million if his option for 2014 were exercised, sources said. But the teams, unable to bridge the financial gap, never even got to the point of discussing names.

    If Cashman viewed Jimenez as only a No. 3 or 4 starter, he surely thought even less of Rodriguez, a finesse pitcher who might get swallowed whole in the American League East. Either way, Cashman prefers his young talent. One rival GM who spoke with the Yankees said Cashman had seven untouchables in trade discussions — a high number for a team that considers its season a failure if it does not win the World Series.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ver-080111

  164. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Laura – I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:16 am
    ?Laura-I decided to skip seeing them at the Cell this year since I saw them at Wrigley. I’m starting to regret that decision. ?

    I purposely skipped the Wrigley series because I knew they were coming to the Cell and it?s a much better stadium.

    ***********************

    agreed. I just wanted to see them at Wrigley.

    Everytime I’ve gone to see them at the Cell the past few years, I’ve always seen CC. And they always win. So I really should go to tonight’s game. ;)

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Laura as Mary Magdalene? And Laura, how much better can he get? No squatting for him, OK? That’s all I got – this is a family blog ;)

  166. pat August 1st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Easy solution to the Chicago siuation……

    Yanks won 2 of 3 against the Cubs with Erin in attendance so Laura should get an extra ticket and take Erin with her to counteract any potential bad luck thing.

    See, everyone’s happy!

    Erin- Your boss prefers you spend the day on lohud instead of Stubhub? :wink:

  167. Irreverent Discourse August 1st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Man we lucked out, Wandy would get eaten alive in the AL east. he can only pitch in Houston, his road numbers are awful.

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 11:23 am
    No sweat, Jesus is incapable of corruption
    ///

    Well said. Hitters do need their leg strength, though.

  169. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Laura- you really didn’t know he was coming? LOL That’s cool that you at least go to hear it (even if it wasn’t the best quality). I’m a total Beatlemaniac, so it’s killing me that I couldn’t get a ticket.

  170. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “Laura, he needs to save his best for the stretch drive and playoffs. Stop thinking only about yourself. ”

    So true. Alright, if I happen to come across Montero, I’ll be sure to escort him to the ballpark…after I cop a feel or two. :evil:

  171. Erin August 1st, 2011 at 11:29 am

    pat August 1st, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Erin- Your boss prefers you spend the day on lohud instead of Stubhub?

    *********************

    LOL…LoHud I can get away with. Stubhub not so much. ;)

  172. Against All Odds August 1st, 2011 at 11:29 am

    blaming cashman or any other gm, manager, pitching coach or executive is total bs.

    —————————————–

    But they are in charge of handling him are they not. Yes players get hurt all the time but no one can tell me the hoops they had him jumping through was a good idea.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    One rival GM who spoke with the Yankees said Cashman had seven untouchables in trade discussions — a high number for a team that considers its season a failure if it does not win the World Series.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s…..ver-080111
    ///

    Seems like Cash likes his Gummy Bears as much as some us hanging at the Lohud :D.

    Cash is now & forever DA MAN!

  174. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    “Laura- you really didn’t know he was coming? LOL That’s cool that you at least go to hear it (even if it wasn’t the best quality). I’m a total Beatlemaniac, so it’s killing me that I couldn’t get a ticket.”

    I had no idea. And I’m a huge Beatles and Wings fan myself.

  175. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:30 am

    pat, perfect! :)

  176. yankeefeminista August 1st, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Pruf, what do you mean as much as? Cash takes his cues from us. ;)

  177. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:31 am

    So the plan all along was to pass up all these more talented players only to make a last ditch effort at Wandy Rodriguez. This front office is kicking ass.

  178. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Well said. Hitters do need their leg strength, though.
    ****

    Wow lol

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 11:33 am

    True, YF, & he’s proving a worthy disciple ;).

  180. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “So the plan all along was to pass up all these more talented players only to make a last ditch effort at Wandy Rodriguez. This front office is kicking ass.”

    Why? Wandy would be eaten alive in the AL.

    I’m glad the Yankees didn’t make any moves. I didn’t like any of the guys that were out there.

  181. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I must say I was disappointed with not adding someone, but I am 100% happy with not landing someone at the costs talked about. The bigger issues here really are.

    1) Making a deal even for Jiminez with concerns on the shoulder etc would have lost a lot of our chips.
    2) CC is a free agent. Now I don’t doubt he gets any money he wants from the Yankees and stays, but what about the off chance he leaves. You want to retain the chips for sure.
    3) One more year of development should increase the value of our guys.
    4) Cain, Danks, Grienke, Liriano, Jered Weaver are all 2013 free agents, which means a few should be available this offseason. Liriano and Grienke have some question marks, but Weaver, Cain and Danks to a lesser degress I like a lot. You still have the most chips to work with out of anybody to land one of those guys.
    5) King Felix will always be the guy you want, by not making a deal you still have the most chips ready to pick him up.

  182. Irreverent Discourse August 1st, 2011 at 11:37 am

    6) Boston is literally out of prospects.

  183. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:37 am

    That one flew over your head Laura.

    Seriously though, any front office that is willing to pursue Wandy Rodriguez is likely to throw John Lackey money at CJ Wilson. I wouldn’t put it past them.

    What is the rotation next year without Garcia and Colon?

    Are prices on starting pitchers going to be any lower in the winter offseason?

    Cashman and the front office laid a goose egg in the winter and followed it up with a “push” at this year’s trade deadline.

    Cashman “likes” our team. Fine.

    The Giants and Phillies are in first place but they made impact moves.

    Did they not like their teams?

  184. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “5) King Felix will always be the guy you want, by not making a deal you still have the most chips ready to pick him up.”

    Well, I must be an anomaly because I don’t want this guy. He has made some very anti-Yankees comments in the past. Plus, any guy that’s content to be on a horrible team like SEA has some issues.

  185. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 1st, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “That one flew over your head Laura.”

    LOL! Apparently.

  186. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Well, I must be an anomaly because I don?t want this guy. He has made some very anti-Yankees comments in the past. Plus, any guy that?s content to be on a horrible team like SEA has some issues.
    *********

    Why would he make pro-Yankees comments? He doesn’t play for them and they don’t pay his salary. Seattle has been his team since he was a teenager and they’ve made him a very rich man.

    As for the horrible team stuff, people forget that Seattle was a ‘hot’ pick to do big things in the west last year with Felix and Lee at the front end of the rotation. Sure, now the lineup is garbage but things can turn around fast.

    Bottom line, there’s no reason to think he wouldn’t be a great addition. Just look at the numbers

  187. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 11:44 am

    CJ Wilson I like, but he’ll be I think 31 or 32. The other guys I mentioned are younger. I think that was the most attractive part about Jiminez, he is on the right side of 30. Want to continue to get younger. At least Wilson though is preforming at a high level now on a good team and in a hitters ballpark. Lackey was on the decline, injured quite a bit and kept losing more and more velocity. That was a bad signing waiting to happen.

  188. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Sure, now the lineup is garbage but things can turn around fast.

    Now? :twisted:

  189. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Cain, Danks, Grienke, Liriano, Jered Weaver are all 2013 free agents, which means a few should be available this offseason.

    *********

    Every single one of those names pitch for contending teams. Not exactly sellers. Liriano is the one exception and he has been sucking lately. Zero of those arms will be made available in the winter.

    So the questions remain…

    What is the rotation next year without Garcia and Colon?

    Are prices on starting pitchers going to be any lower in the winter offseason?

  190. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 11:47 am

    What is the rotation next year without Garcia and Colon?

    CC
    AJ
    Nova/Hughes
    One of Garcia/Colon will be re-signed
    Nova/Hughes/Trade/Unexpected free agent

  191. Wave Your Hat August 1st, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I don’t see Cain, Weaver or Danks being available in the off-season. They are all on contenders.

  192. Wave Your Hat August 1st, 2011 at 11:50 am

    “CC
    AJ
    Nova/Hughes
    One of Garcia/Colon will be re-signed
    Nova/Hughes/Trade/Unexpected free agent”

    Yum Yum.

  193. Phranchise August 1st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    All of them are contending teams except:

    If Weaver hits free agency how many times do the Angels come up short to the market on contracts?

    Danks with the White Sox being sellers on a lot of bad deals they have, does he get his max deal there?

    Grienke, if the Brewers aren’t paying Fielder, I doubt Grienke and his mediocre stats there right now gets paid. Although I think he would be a bad fit here anyway.

    Liriano will not get the money due to the injuries. Good one game, bad the next. Would CC be a good mentor there?

    And Cain. Again who do they spend the money on? Can’t keep all their pitchers and pay them. Depends on who they value the most out of that group.

    Again, not saying some won’t sign, but I am sure these teams will test the market at the minimum and some will definitely be moved.

  194. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Sure, now the lineup is garbage but things can turn around fast.

    ?

    Now?

    =========

    Lol, poor choice of words

  195. 86w183 August 1st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    No reason to assume neither Colon nor Garcia will return. Those guys are having better years than Ubaldo Jimenez, Zack Grienke and many others.

    Nova, Hughes, Noesi, Warren could all be in someone’s MLB rotation in 2012 and that’s not considering Betances or Banuelos.

    I thought a versatile guy like Wigginton or Cuddyer would have been a nice addition, but I’m fine with the team as is.

  196. blake August 1st, 2011 at 11:54 am

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    This is why you grow your own: so you don’t have to depend on wrestling guys away from other teams or a whim like Lee’s to play in Philadelphia.

    The stuff you’re complaining about is what developing your own pitchers pre-empts.

  198. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:55 am

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  200. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:56 am

    You guys still want to ride Colon or Garcia?

    Two years in a row?

    Only 34?

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    Can someone remind me? How did the Giants win the World Series again?

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    You guys still want to ride Colon or Garcia?

    Two years in a row?

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    Both are good pitchers, only thing in doubt is their health.

  203. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 11:58 am

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    You can say that again. This front office is pushing their luck.

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    I tried to get tickets to Macca too with no luck. This is just not my day.
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  205. blake August 1st, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Why worry about next year right now……you never know who will shake loose over the winter or how internal options will progress.

  206. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Wandy Rodgriguez, huh?

    This front office must LOVE the team.

    What a load of crap, people.

    Don’t swallow it whole. Small bites if anything.

  207. heyman_sux August 1st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Can someone remind me? How did the Giants win the World Series again?
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    They were willed to victory by Steve Perry. And apparently, Cody Ross

  208. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Why worry about next year right now……you never know who will shake loose over the winter or how internal options will progress.

    Yup, impossible to really talk about next years rotation when we don’t have the winter rumor mill up and running and the full season of numbers on the minor league options. Maybe Noesi/Mitchell/Phelps/Warren/Banuelos/Betances are competing for the 5th spot or a few get spun off for a starter.

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    If the front office can project 6 months down the road then they suck. They should have a good idea about arms that might be made available and that does not include Gio Gonzalez who Sherman says they will pay “big” to get. He is controlled through 2015.

    Wandy Rodriguez…

    Some plan.

  210. blake August 1st, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    “Can someone remind me? How did the Giants win the World Series again?”

    By developing two stud pitchers who they have controlled for most of their 20s…..and by getting lucky and having their offense get hot at the right time.

  211. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Wandy Rodgriguez, huh?

    This front office must LOVE the team.

    Levine & the steinbrenners pushed for Wandy. Thank god Cash loves the team.

  212. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    edit: If the front office can’t project 6 months down the road then they suck.

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock August 1st, 2011 at 12:03 pm

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    ///

    Agism is a problem on this site. So is prospect mugging. They don’t want old guys, they don’t want to develop young guys. They want made to order mid to late 20s pitchers & hitters who other teams develop so there’s “no risk” in not winning.

    Not only boring, but impossible. The only way you have that kind of team is by developing the patience & gut to grow your own. The Yankees know that, some of their fans just never will.

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    Bret, that’s the point to holding onto the prospects. I never said the prices would come down, what I meant was if they made deals now, they wouldn’t have the players anymore to pull off such a move.

    I think Weaver is a Boras client, so he isn’t signing early that’s for sure. So if he tests the market will the Angels spend more than the Sox or Yankees for possibly the best pitcher in baseball? Doesn’t matter if they are a contendor or not. And let’s face it, they are getting worse not better.

    The Brewers don’t have massive money to spend. Wouldn’t they have kept CC and signed him if they could under your arguement???

    Cain is young so I can see SF locking him up if they decide Lincecum and him need to be retained.

    Danks maybe, but I wouldn’t expect them to be agressive on a deal as they are under water with Dunn, Rios, etc.

    And no way Liriano gets anywhere near the money he wants from the Twins.

  215. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Levin and the Steinbrenners are part of the front office. They make decisions. Soriano comes to mind.

  216. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    If the front office can[sic] project 6 months down the road then they suck. They should have a good idea about arms that might be made available and that does not include Gio Gonzalez who Sherman says they will pay “big” to get. He is controlled through 2015.

    I’m assuming you meant can’t, but you don’t know that. You don’t know who will be available any more than they do. No one thought Jimenez would be available at this deadline.

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    Maybe Gio becomes available this winter……maybe the Ms finally decide to rebuild and trade Felix, maybe Kenny Williams wakes up one morning and decides he’s going tobtraxe Danks today, maybe the Marlins trade Johnson, maybe the Dodgers listen on Kershaw with he’s ownership, maybe the Braves make Juirjins or Hanson available, ……guys become available all the time out of nowhere……one just did with Ubaldo.

  218. Jerkface August 1st, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Remember that some winter trades began during the season. Cashman likely has the feel of the market. Obviously decided having Betances, Banuelos, and Montero > whatever was out there.

    No reason to overpay because some fans are panicking about the pitching (which is doing well).

  219. Don August 1st, 2011 at 12:07 pm

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    Levin and the Steinbrenners are part of the front office. They make decisions. Soriano comes to mind.

    Not good ones.

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    By developing two stud pitchers who they have controlled for most of their 20s…..and by getting lucky and having their offense get hot at the right time.
    ///

    & their hitters got hot because their stud pitchers, who they developed, gave them a chance.

    YOu can add that instead of giving up on Bumgarner, they stuck with him.

    You can add that a rookie catcher caught those pitchers & also hit for them.

    Maybe Cashman used the Giants as an example of having success with young pitching to escape his bosses’ doubts about guys that are a year or two away.

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s…..ver-080111

    Interesting, is that 7 minor leaguers or 7 players total. Can’t be just 7 total…

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  225. West Coast Yankee Fan August 1st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

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    If Montero, Banuelos, Betances et al live up to their hype and we get on another championship roll, then Cashman’s perspective and player evaluation skills will have been proven to be correct. If not, it is going to be ugly.

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