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Jeter back at short

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Andruw Jones DH
Russell Martin C
Eduardo Nunez 3B
Brett Gardner LF

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120 Responses to “Jeter back at short”

  1. igotid88 August 2nd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Dante will be called up before Montero. And I don’t mean Bichette.

  2. Erin August 2nd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Jeter’s back! :)

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan August 2nd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Poor Jorge. Going out like a lamb. Sad.

  4. Vineyard Yankee August 2nd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Meek and weak. Baaaaaaaaaaa…………………….

  5. Irreverent Discourse August 2nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Hey Liar… I mean Vineyard, aren’t you supposed to be looking something up liar?

  6. bisonthrow August 2nd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Betances, Banuelos and Hughes all starting tonight… Potentially the future of the yankees pitching staff all throwing tonight should be interesting

  7. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    welcome back Jeter!

    Dunn is making a return to 1st base tonight. Hope the Yankees can direct the ball his way and
    watch the comedy unfold. He has to be the worst defensive 1st basemen in the entire league.

  8. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    igotid88 August 2nd, 2011 at 5:04 pm
    Dante will be called up before Montero. And I don’t mean Bichette.
    ///

    long as he’s got virgil to show him around ;)
    ///

    sucks they moved Betances. Can’t make it tonight :(

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Dunn vs. C was gripping. I was gripping my sides laughing. He had no chance.

  10. luis August 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Hi JAP,

    Whats up??, i guess we prospect huggers got our wish. Time to call them up and see what they can do up in the big leagues.

  11. Bronx Jeers August 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Lohud’s Inferno?

  12. Captain Clutch August 2nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    It’s “possible” that Montero will come up this month and Cervelli was almost traded….
    ————————–

    According to Yankees GM Brian Cashman, there is a chance Jesus Montero could be in pinstripes before the rosters expand Sept. 1.

    Asked if the right-handed hitting catcher, who Cashman refused to part with for Ubaldo Jimenez at the trade deadline, could be in The Bronx this month, the GM said it was “possible.’’

    Of course, he also said it’s “possible’’ pitchers Adam Warren and George Kontos could be elevated from SWB (Triple-A).

    Since the rosters are set at 25 until Sept. 1, the Yankees would have to clear a spot for the 21-year-old Montero. Cashman refused to speculate how Montero would fit.

    According to two Pirates sources, the Yankees came close to dealing Francisco Cervelli to the Pirates for pitcher Brad Lincoln. That would have cleared a spot for Montero.

    “It was very close but couldn’t agree on the value of the players,’’ a source said.

    If the Yankees want to revisit the Pirates deal, Cervelli would have to clear waivers.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....um=twitter

  13. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    As much as I enjoy watching Cervelli behind the plate, let’s keep it real here-Montero is a major upgrade over Cervilli-Leaving the Yankees no choice but to make room for Montero by either sending Cervelli down or trading him.
    Does Cervelli have any options remaining?
    If he does, does that make the move any easier??

  14. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    He has 1 option.

  15. yanks4ever August 2nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Happy to see “luis” posted on his lunch hour today and not throughout the afternoon like the other day.

    Isn’t that what all 45 year old married men with two children that work in the financial district in Venezuela do? Spend their lives posting on lohud sometimes until 4 in the morning?

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  16. fantasygame101 August 2nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    brad lincon was once their top pitching prospect. another example of the inexact science of baseball

  17. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Actually he might have 2. I’m gonna go with 2 since they didnt burn an option last year on him.

  18. Captain Clutch August 2nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    The funny thing is Cervelli has hit much better than Martin recently and his defense also hasn’t killed them. I know Cashman and co. love Martin’s defense but it would be nice if he can break out of his 3 month slump.

  19. DaveD August 2nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Cash compared Cervelli to Thurman Munson

  20. RMS August 2nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    As much as I enjoy watching Cervelli behind the plate, let’s keep it real here-Montero is a major upgrade over Cervilli

    ————————————————————————————–
    Hitting yes, but what about catching?

  21. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Cash compared Cervelli to Thurman Munson

    And Martin! What a coincidence both are hitting like stiffs.

  22. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    RMS-
    I don’t know enough about Montero so give his defense any type of grade.
    Since his bat is “supposed” to be miles ahead of Cervelli, I think its worth the risk
    of sending Cervelli down/trade him in order to give Montero some at bats.
    The Yankees starting pitching is not very strong, so this team might need that 3 run homer
    threat from Montero in order to win some games in Aug/Sept/October

  23. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Having Cervelli on the roster doesnt make or break a team, put Montero can potentially put a team over the top. Thats his upside. Cervelli’s upside is nice backup or starter on a bad team.

  24. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    I tend to take whatever George King says with a salt mine worth of salt, especially since I tend to find the National Inquirer far more reliable.

    However, if there is a grain of truth that Cervelli was nearly dealt, perhaps that would put the kabosh on all the Montero critics that the organization doesn’t believe he’s capable of catching in the bigs this season.

  25. Yank 97 August 2nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Didn’t he also compare Gustavo Molina to Yogi?

  26. mainesoxfan August 2nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Greetings All, Hard to believe that it’s been 32 years since Thurman Munson passed away in that tragic plane crash. I hated him as a kid, but have grown to appreciate the way he played the game. A great ballplayer, who passed far to young. His brawl with Carlton Fisk in Fenway in the early 70′s was one of the greats. RIP!!

  27. DocTodd August 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    If the handling of Montero is any indication,expect to see Betances and Banuelos around 2013

  28. jackamir August 2nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Cervelli was a stopgap and now it is time to move forward. He is very unsure of himself and has lost confidence in his throwing. Now that Hope Week is over I am Hoping to see Montero.

  29. stanzy August 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Hey Jerkface. That Munson/stiffs joke. Too soon.

  30. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I think the Yanks’ starting pitching is better than people want to give them credit for, especially with two retreads pitching far beyond what anyone reasonably expected.

    No, they don’t have a number of big names who are capable of tossing no-hitters every night, but it’s tough to argue with the results to this point.

    Outside of the health factors, I don’t see any reason why this rotation can’t continue to perform well the rest of the season.

  31. yonkel21 August 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    What is Girardi’s affinity with continuing to bat Jeter leadoff? This is getting ridiculous.

  32. lounge lizard August 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    1. Lincoln was horrendous for the Pirates last year and uninspiring in Triple AAA this year.
    But, yes, he was once a fourth overall pick (2006) and that’s the hook for Cashman. (See Darrell Rasner, etc)

    2. Konerko out again. Sox took him out Sunday with their standard thug act. With a base to play with, two on, two out, Miller went for Konerko’s knee with the same pitch Lester threw at Tex’s knee. May have have helped Boston win that one getting K out of the game. But he also could very well have been the difference last night for the White Sox against the Yanks and now it’s Dunn against at first. Thanks thugs.

  33. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    What is Girardi’s affinity with continuing to bat Jeter leadoff? This is getting ridiculous.

    Lefty on the mound, Jeter leadoff is the right play.

  34. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    It appears that Girardi has decided to bat Jeter leadoff against lefties and Gardner leadoff against righties.

    At least temporarily.

  35. hardwired7 August 2nd, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Can Montero do a semi-split while catching? #notasnimbleascervelli

  36. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    “If the handling of Montero is any indication,expect to see Betances and Banuelos around 2013″

    Banuelos shouldn’t be in the rotation before then…..he doesn’t have the innings and he’s young enough that they should develop him right. Betances is a little older so they could push him for 2012 but it wouldn’t be the end of the world if they waited on him as well. People forget….Montero is 21 years old…..he’ll be one of the younger players in baseball when he’s called up……

  37. yonkel21 August 2nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Ok jerkface you’re right but in general, it’s getting silly now.

  38. kd August 2nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    it’ nice to see that pittsburg would want to trade for cervelli. maybe cash can unload him this offseason for a loogy

  39. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Jeter rakes lefties still…..he should leadoff against then.

  40. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm
    “If the handling of Montero is any indication,expect to see Betances and Banuelos around 2013?

    Banuelos shouldn’t be in the rotation before then…..he doesn’t have the innings and he’s young enough that they should develop him right. Betances is a little older so they could push him for 2012 but it wouldn’t be the end of the world if they waited on him as well. People forget….Montero is 21 years old…..he’ll be one of the younger players in baseball when he’s called up……
    ************************************************************
    Thanks for the insight
    This day and age people expect a top prospect to literally skip the minors and succeed
    at the MLB level.
    Unfortunately that happens very rarely.
    Because of social media, its very easy for fans to get caught up in all the hype of a top prospect because the player had a good game or hit the ball about 450 feet to win the game.
    There is a reason why organizations protect top prospects and usually that protection pays off years down the road.

    Colon and Garcia probably won’t pitch for the Yankees beyond this year.
    That alone creates at least one, maybe two open spots on the roster.
    Betances could take one of those spots, but if he does not, its only for his own good.

  41. Bx is Burning August 2nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Jeter = .341 against lefties this year.
    Nearly .1 higher than righties.

  42. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I think Cervelli has improved this year…..he’s always been a decent contact hitter. His problems last year were all correctable.

  43. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Jeter still hitting .243 .292 .304 .596 vs RHP, leads me to believe his recent success is against LHP.

  44. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I think it’s conceivable that at least one of Colon or Garcia will be back next season. I don’t know why people just assume neither will be back.

    Banuelos and Betances won’t be ready in April of 2012, so they’ll need someone to pitch.

    Re-signing a vet to keep them in games until they can find something better sounds like something Cashman would do.

    It’s not like a plethora of pitching will be available this offseason.

  45. ant928 August 2nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Hey!! CBS 880 is reporting the NY Post is claiming Posada and Burnett have been place on waivers…can anyone confirm?

  46. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Everyone gets placed on waivers

  47. Bx is Burning August 2nd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Means little, ant.
    Read all about it:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....H82U8quPjM

  48. Bronx Jeers August 2nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    stanzy says:
    August 2, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    Hey Jerkface. That Munson/stiffs joke. Too soon.

    ——————————————-

    Todays the anniversary of his death.

    Good timing nimrods.

  49. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    CHICAGO — The Yankees have put A.J. Burnett, Rafael Soriano and Jorge Posada on trade waivers, The Post has learned.
    That doesn’t mean any of the trio will be dealt. However, they are eligible to be claimed by other clubs within 48 hours. If multiple clubs claim them the team with the lower winning percentage is awarded the claim and can talk trade with the Yankees.

    The Yankees can pull the players back, but if they put them out a second time and they get claimed the player goes to the team making the claim.
    That’s how Jose Canseco became a Yankee in 2000 because the Yankees were trying to block him from going to the Red Sox.

    Since Burnett is owed $49.5 million across the next three seasons and Soriano a combined $25 million in 2012 and 2013, any team claiming them runs the risk of the Yankees letting them go although that is highly unlikely.
    Most major league teams put a large part of their roster on waivers for various reasons. Often it’s to gauge interest of other clubs and the starting point for offseason deals. Last year the White Sox put a claim in on Manny Ramirez and made a deal with the Dodgers.
    There are three types of waivers: outright, trade and optional. The Rays put Johnny Damon, Kyle Farnsworth and James Shields on optional waivers.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1TueeJEst

  50. stanzy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Hey Jeers,

    Calm down. I remember that day like it was yesterday. And part of me still doesn’t want to accept it. He was one of my favorite players. But, seriously, it was 32 years ago. So maybe lighten up.

  51. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Id seriously consider at least bringing Garcia back……I see no reason to think he couldn’t have another solid season next year. You can also look at Colon but he will be 39 and some other team might pay him more.

    If you bring Garcia back then you have Sabathia, AJ, and Garcia…..and then let Hughes, Nova, Noesi, and Betances fight for the last 2 spots…….unless they add someone else.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    luis August 2nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
    Hi JAP,

    Whats up??, i guess we prospect huggers got our wish. Time to call them up and see what they can do up in the big leagues.
    ///

    Luis, my man. How’s it going?

    Cash loves his Gummy Bears as much as we do, the elite ones knocking on the door, that is, which was the basis of my entire argument for them staying. All spects are not created equal!

    I think Dellin needs a wee bit more time down on the farm. We may though see him coming out of the BP. He’s on the 40 & has thunder in that arm (pun intended). Whether he comes up or not, he’s the next great right-hander for the New York Pinstripes.

  53. UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    MLB Network is showing a great look at Phil Hughes and basically he is missing his spots more than anything else. That along with his velocity being down a couple of ticks is killing him.

  54. Niblick August 2nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I can’t imagine why the Yanks wouldn’t seriously consider bringing Colon and Garcia back. They ate the # 2 and 3 starters. I think AJ is about #8, although I’m sure Binder Joe will start him in the second game of the playoffs.

  55. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Hughes missed his spots even when he had velocity last year.

  56. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    He could just get away with it. Hughes pounded the zone, but he wasn’t particularly adept at hitting the catchers glove.

  57. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Difference between Command and Control. One is being able to throw a strike, the other is being able to throw a strike where you want it. Hughes has the talent to showcase both strongly.

  58. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Missing your spots matters a lot more at 91 than it does at 95…..just ask AJ.

  59. UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Maybe Hughes is getting Bapip’ed to death then.

  60. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    I thought one of his hallmarks in the minors was great command…….

  61. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    or control, whatever……..

  62. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    “I thought one of his hallmarks in the minors was great command…….”

    It was……but he had the juice to get by with mistakes. That’s why velocity ….though not essential to succes……makes success a lot easier because you get away with more bad pitches.

  63. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Blake, I’m not talking velocity – I’m talking about the fact that he’s not the same pitcher he was apparently in the minors – he doesn’t have the stuff, he doesn’t have the command/control. Did his leg injuries hurt him more than we supposed? Either way, who knows. He wouldn’t be the first pitcher to mature early, dominate and then just stop progressing.

  64. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm
    MLB Network is showing a great look at Phil Hughes and basically he is missing his spots more than anything else. That along with his velocity being down a couple of ticks is killing him.
    ****************************************************************
    IMO, Hughes needs to throw his change-up a lot more.
    Maybe he will be better served down in AAA with specific instructions to throw that change
    up a lot, in any count, each and every inning until he has enough confidence in that pitch where he can throw the change 3 and 2, bases loaded, 2 outs in the inning.

  65. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Also, I agree with you – when you have mediocre stuff, you’d better have pinpoint control or command…..and more than one and a half pitches. I just get the impression that the Yankees aren’t going to spend the time that Hughes needs to get back to the point where he’s a solid reliable pitcher. I do not think they will try and re-work him in the minors- I think if he can’t figure it out on his own, he’ll be put in the pen

  66. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Hughes has excellent control. He can pretty much throw his pitches for strikes. His command comes and goes, but even when he had it he still tended to miss in the zone. His best command was with his 4-seam, he lacks command on his cutter (which is why it ended up getting hit for HRs).

    Just look at his fangraphs heat map for the strike zone in 2010. Its all over the zone. Compare to Mariano Rivera, who pretty much avoids the middle/middle area.

  67. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    2009 Hughes had pretty good command.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/heatm.....#038;pal=2

  68. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Hughes has always been very reluctant to throw his change. He doesn’t have much confidence in his “best” pitches now – I don’t see how he will throw his change at this point. His biggest mistake was not throwing it in the beginning of 2010 coming off of ST where the change looked pretty good. At this point, the curve is of much bigger concern……..well, that and the health of his arm.

    I agreed with LGY’s comments about how Phil’s velocity/command are probably all tied in together, but not about how he has to consistently pump the 94 MPH FB. Hughes does not have that kind of stuf – he does not sit 94. One of his biggest problems is that, even last year, he simply can not maintain velocity. It’s possible he’d be best as a reliever.

  69. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Command/Control, to me it’s all the same – if he’s missing his spots, he’s missing his spots. His mistakes tend to get hit a long way

  70. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Hughes makes a ton of poor command mistakes with that cutter….its a fine pitch for him to have…..its just when he misses with it it gets hammered……

  71. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I think he should drop the cutter if he can’t stop making so many mistakes with it…………..maybe pick up a two seamer instead. He makes mistakes with all of his pitches to be fair, not just the cutter.

  72. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Command/Control, to me it’s all the same

    Ok but to professionals and pitchers in general its not. There is a distinction between them that must be understood.

  73. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Jerkface, I’ve never been able to differentiate. The fact is, Phil doesn’t have great command or control – and he apparently used to have it in the minors. I don’t believe in looking back, though – it doesn’t matter what he used to be. The question is – what can he be going forward? He’s a real work in progress and if the Yankees are genuinely committed to him, they can’t take the easy way out and just stick him in the pen whenever. If it means that he has to spend nexd year in the minors, then so be it……..

  74. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Hughes has good control. He pounds the strike zone. An example of a pitcher who lacks both is AJ burnett. He can barely get his pitches in the zone, let alone COMMAND them in the zone.

  75. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    control – ability to throw a strike
    command – ability to throw a quality strike (hit your spot)

    Now you should be able to tell the difference.

  76. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Control is just throwing the ball in the strike zone…….command is being able to throw the ball where you want to inside the strike zone.

    In general all decent pitchers have pretty good control, the good ones can command their fastball and can control their offspeed stuff…..the great ones can command their fastball and one or more secondary pitches.

  77. luis August 2nd, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Jap!

    How are you, sorry didn’t answer before had to do some things down here. I thought neither of the B’s was ready for the big show just yet. maybe a call up in September??. I think they are preparing Banuelos for the loogy role. I hopethey bring up Betances too. But what i think they should do now is bring uo Montero, he is not only an upgrade to both Po and Cervelli, but probably Martin too.

  78. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    CC Sabathia when he is on is going to not only command his fastball, but one or more of his slider/change/curve. Same with Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay.

    AJ Burnett when he is ‘on’ still doesn’t command anything. His stuff was just overpowering enough to make up for it.

    Command/Control help pitchers who aren’t ‘on’ still succeed. And when they are on they are great. Maddux had command of like 4+ pitches.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan August 2nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    MLB Network is showing a great look at Phil Hughes and basically he is missing his spots more than anything else. That along with his velocity being down a couple of ticks is killing him.

    ************

    Gee, sounds like what I have been saying all along.

  80. Yank 97 August 2nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Phil would tear up the minors, even with his diminished stuff. Look at the reports from his Trenton start – throwing 4 pitches for strikes, sharp curve, hitting 95, etc……5 days later against Cleveland (who is not a good offensive team), guys were hitting line drives all over, his curve sucked, and he didn’t get a swinging strike on his FB.

    They can’t judge his stuff in AAA because the hitters are a different world from big league hitters. A Curve he throws for a swinging strike in the dirt in AAA might be a curve that a guy will take for a ball (or hit out of the park) in the bigs.

    Hell, most guys in the minors struggle with off-speed stuff, so it might not be surprising that in all these rehab starts, we hear how he throws quality curves and change ups.

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan August 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    It is pretty clear that someone who does not know or appreciate the difference between command and control has no credibility whatsoever when it comes to evaluating a big league pitcher.

    Not that this is anything new.

  82. blake August 2nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    “AJ Burnett when he is ‘on’ still doesn’t command anything. His stuff was just overpowering enough to make up for it.”

    The old AJ….the new 92-93 AJ is having a more difficult time with it unless he has his good breaking ball.

  83. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    The old AJ….the new 92-93 AJ is having a more difficult time with it unless he has his good breaking ball.

    Yea thats what makes AJ so hit or miss now, even when he is having a good game it can go south in a hurry because his stuff just isn’t as it was.

    Hughes should decapitate AJ with a katana and quickening AJs curveball into his repertoire

  84. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Blake-
    At least AJ goes to his change to keep the batter’s off balance.
    If I was at the plate with Hughes on the mound, I would look fastball all the time
    and let the bat do my damage.
    If I see any spin on the ball, as a hitter I would have so much faith that pitch won’t
    even be a strike.
    See what I mean-

  85. UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Just listening to a medical staff member for the Sux on NESN and he is using a lot of big words but basically to sum it up = Laptops is Screwed.

    Healthy by spring training of next year.

  86. mick August 2nd, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Means little, ant.
    Read all about it:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports…..H82U8quPjM
    ===================================
    not sure aj and posada will be pleased.
    doesn’t soriano have a ntc?

  87. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    not sure aj and posada will be pleased.

    Everyone goes on waivers in august. If you only put players on waivers that you wanted to trade teams would get wise and start blocking

  88. Jerkface August 2nd, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Soriano doesnt have a NTC

  89. UnKnown August 2nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Stupid Tribe I thought they would throw Jimenez on Thurs, but nooo they are waiting to throw him on Fri.

  90. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    So you can have good control and be a mediocre pitcher because you throw meatballs for strikes?

  91. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    If so, then control is nothing without command……..

  92. mick August 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    it just looks curious those 3 were put on and nobody else, surprised hughes wasn’t

  93. SCRANTONYANKEES August 2nd, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Cashman sitting few rows away from me whos he watching Banuelos or Montero?

  94. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Blake, thanks…….well I don’t know if you can ever achieve good or really good command if you just don’t have it. I remember discussions here early last year about how Phil would get away with pitches in the zone because his FB moved…..

  95. mick August 2nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    location is more important than control
    making balls look like strikes is more important than throwing strikes

  96. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Banuelos having a tough start. strikeout, chopping single up the middle and back to back full count walks, all to left handed batters, strikeout, popup to second. 23 pitches, 14 strikes. Hitting a steady 93-94…with a roundhouse curve that starts behind the left handed batters and breaks to the outside of the plate.

  97. mick August 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Soriano doesnt have a NTC
    ===================
    AJ does.

  98. luis August 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Exactly!, unless you have incredible blow away stuff, so you can get away from the mistakes when you make them

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    For those who watch the game online, here’s a good example of why reading a pitcher’s final line does not always tell the story:

    http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/
    (from Donnie Collins’ blog):

    UPDATE, 6:25: This is a pretty big day here at PNC Field, if you like prospects.

    The top prospects in both the Yankees and Phillies organizations — Jesus Montero and Domonic Brown — are here, of course. But the Phillies promoted slick defensive shortstop Freddy Galvis from Reading, as well as a third baseman on their 40-man roster, Carlos Rivero. And they’ll be facing Manny Banuelos, one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball.

    UPDATE, 7:07: The words we’ve been waiting to say all season here can be said now: Manny Banuelos is on the mound, and we’re under way.

    UPDATE, 7:09: Banuelos strikes out Rich Thompson. Looked like a changeup.

    UPDATE, 7:09: Here’s a really interesting matchup. Manny Banuelos vs. Domonic Brown.

    UPDATE, 7:12: Banuelos loses Brown. He threw a pretty good 2-2 fastball on the black, but he didn’t get the call. Missed outside badly on 3-2.

    UPDATE, 7:15: If Banuelos is missing, he isn’t missing by much. Home plate ump Travis Brown has a very hitter-friendly strike zone so far.

    UPDATE, 7:18: Banuelos issues his second walk, but he is really on the black. He’s impressive. Brown just isn’t budging.

    UPDATE, 7:19: Wow…Manny blew three fastballs past a good fastball hitter, Delwyn Young. Last one was at 92 mph. Two down.

  100. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    mashmore98 Mike Ashmore
    Betances velo is rapidly climbing during the inning. 92-94-95-96. Now 95. LOTS of fastballs, obviously.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    hit 98 on last pitch

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    *those who can’t watch the game online, that is..

  102. LGY August 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Manny getting squeezed big time according to Donnie Collins.

    He says both walks should have been Ks.

  103. Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Luis, well let’s hope command can be taught otherwise it will always be something of a struggle even with normal velocity

  104. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Montero rips a 1st inning homer well over the left center field fence

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Next great Yankee righthander, Dellin Betances. Book it.

  106. SCRANTONYANKEES August 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Montero homers cashman goes to the blackberry.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Next great Yankee mid-order masher, Jesus Montero…

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan August 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Phil Hughes is not a “movement” fastball pitcher. He throws a four-seamer not a two-seamer (like Colon’s back-up pitch to left handed batters).

    When Hughes fastball has “late life”, especially up in the zone, it rises slightly at the end and that is the extent of it.

    There are far too many good hitters in the AL that know what to do with a four-seam fastball down the middle, no matter how hard it’s thrown. Command is almost everything.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    SCRANTONYANKEES, Please tell Cashman to bring him back east with him….

    FREE JESUS

  110. kd August 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    prufrock,

    thanks for that. it’s really helpful. maybe the yankees knew what they were doing….

    98 from a lefty with command in yankee stadium is a great recipe for success

  111. Against All Odds August 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Montero to Cashman: I’ll show you bored.

  112. LGY August 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    ScrantonYankee

    Go ask Cashman what the hell he is waiting for with Montero.

  113. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Gary sanchez homers for the 2nd straight game. (12)

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    SCRANTON, keep it comin’. Great stuff….

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    LOL, No. 4 among untouchables…

  116. SCRANTONYANKEES August 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Cashman breaks out the Ipad. This guy came prepared.

  117. luis August 2nd, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Betsy August 2nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    That’s the diference between a regular pitcher and very good one.

    JAP,

    It seems he is getting squeezed big time.

    FREE JESUS!!!

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    kd August 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 pm
    prufrock,

    thanks for that. it’s really helpful. maybe the yankees knew what they were doing….

    98 from a lefty with command in yankee stadium is a great recipe for success
    ////

    kd, you’re more than welcome. Donnie Collins does a great job of keeping you up to speed during the game. But the owner of that 98 mph heater isn’t a lefty, it’s none other than Dellin Betances, the next great Yankee right-hander. But, he can get the lefties out, and the next great Yankee lefthander (behind C, of course), Manny Banuelos, can throw 95, 96 mph, which is like 98 from a lefty!

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock August 2nd, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    luis, they do sometimes get squeezed, doesn’t come up in the final line, which is all I’m saying. I’ve seen both kid aces have innings from hell but more often they’re not missing by all that much. Dare I say, “it’s a process…”???

    what pisses me off is people shooting their mouths off to knock these talented kids but they never trouble themselves to go see an outing. That’s fine, you can’t get there, but then don’t come on strong & try to tell people these kids don’t have the goods, y’know?

    Very exciting time around these parts, & I think Dellin’s really building on his last excellent start (final line means s***) where he threw 44 pitches in five innings, & also he’s probably pumped seeing his amigo Manny B get promoted. Doesn’t want to f*** around, wants to move fast, too.

  120. LGY August 2nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    :arrow:

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