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Pitching matchups in Boston

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 05, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
RHP Bartolo Colon (8-6, 3.30)
vs.
LHP Jon Lester (11-4, 3.17)
7:10 p.m., YES Network / MLB Network

Saturday
LHP CC Sabathia (16-5, 2.55)
vs.
RHP John Lackey (9-8, 6.23)
4:10 p.m., FOX

Sunday
RHP Freddy Garcia (10-7, 3.22)
vs.
RHP Josh Beckett (9-4, 2.20)
8:05 p.m., ESPN

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262 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Boston”

  1. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    G. Love,

    I agree that Nova is on a path to take a playoff start and therefore will not be sent down. He is a darkhorse candidate to pitch in a very big game this season. They want him up now, to better prepare him for that destiny. This could be a perfect storm. He’s confident in his stuff. He is throwing all of his pitches well and he’s hungry. And he loves baseball. And I know they don’t count for much in the scouting community, but his makeup scores must be off the charts. I think the Yankees pay more attention to those intuitions.

    Another playoff surprise I think will be Russell Martin. The guy is ultracompetitive. Joe will rest him down the stretch and that will give him the energy and clarity he needs to make an unexpected impact on a huge playoff game. It doesn’t hurt that he has a quick bat which will be needed facing swing-and-miss type power pitchers in the playoffs. Martin really seems to have taken pride in forming the battery of this pitching staff. He wants to own it and I think he will do things with the bat to help support his battery mates in a very huge way.

  2. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    The Yankees have made a lot of very good decisions this season.

    Martin is one of them IMO.

    Now they need to continue by bringing up Jesus to replace Cervelli.

  3. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    My lineup tonight against Lester:

    Jeter (SS)
    Granderson (CF)
    Swisher (RF)
    Cano (2B)
    Teix (1B)
    Jones (DH)
    Chavez (3B)
    Gardner (LF)
    Martin (C)
    *******************************************************
    Thanks but no thanks. I don’t like that line-up at all vs a lefty.
    Here’s what Girardi should do:

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Jones DH
    Martin C
    Nunez 3B
    Gardner LF

  4. pkyankfan69 August 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Sox def have the pitching advantage in games 1 & 3.
    Yanks obviously the advantage in game 2.
    Hopefully they can take 2 of 3.

    It would be nice to start the series off with a win tonight considering how the Sox have dominated the Yanks this year but IMO Lester VS Colon is a pretty tough matchup for the Yanks to win.

  5. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
    Thanks but no thanks. I don’t like that line-up at all vs a lefty. Here’s what Girardi should do:

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Jones DH
    Martin C
    Nunez 3B
    Gardner LF

    ***************

    Exactly my lineup. Great baseball minds think alike! :)

  6. pkyankfan69 August 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Even against a tough lefty I’d still keep the top Gardner – Jeter

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Grandy
    Tex
    Cano
    Swish
    Jones (Montero)
    Martin
    Nunez

  7. G. Love August 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Bret,

    Great post. Martin has a definite hand in the development of the staff. I fully anticipate the Yankees avoiding arbitration with him and offering him a 2-3 year extension after the season and making him a fixture here.

    If you’re a prospect hugger, you want them to come up while Martin is behind the plate to guide them. He’s an asset behind the plate.

  8. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I am a huge Martin fan, he has been a huge contributor to how well the staff has done this season. And he is hitting around .289 with 2 home runs and 7 RBI’s in his last 10 games.

  9. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    The home run Martin hit last night was very, very impressive.
    You could see he was jumping out of his shoes and sitting fastball.
    Bruney(being the moron he always has), threw the ball up in the zone, instead of low and away. All about location, even if a pitcher can throw 95.

  10. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Yanks have the pitching advantage in games 1 and 2; Sox have the edge on Sunday. My predictions for the weekend:

    Tonight: Bartolo outduels Lester, Yanks edge the Sox. (Bartolo can’t allow AGon to beat him tonight.)

    Saturday: CC smothers the Sox, as the Yanks pound Lackey, and the Boston ‘pen.

    Sunday: Yanks win a battle of bullpens, 6 to 5. Yanks wear down Beckett, and rally against Boston’s ‘pen. Papelbon sobs uncontrollably :)

  11. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    WTP-

    Velocity can cover up a lot of mistakes but the BP’s and has-been lists of the world are just chock full of guys who throw hard but just can’t find the plate.

    Guys like Bruney and Veras are great examples.

  12. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Grandy Tex, Gardner, and Cano historically have struggled against Lester, and they should be separated in the lineup. Swisher and Jones have hit Lester pretty hard; they should be given opportunities to drive in runs. Jeter has had some modest success against Lester. Martin has had considerable success against Lester in a small sample. Chavez has never faced Lester, but he is a great hitter, who has been playing well since coming off the DL. Chavez might be the X-factor tonight. We’ll miss Alex against Lester tonight.

  13. bruceb August 5th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Seeing as everything is rosy in Yankeeland today (at least until after tonight’s game!) how about the great job Girardi and Cashman have done yet again with shaping the bullpen? When you consider the injuries we’ve had to Soriano, Feliciano, Marte et all, the numbers are nothing short of miraculous. Mo, and to a certain extent, Robbo have performed the way we hoped and imagined they would. But what about Wade (1.89). Ayala (1.56) and Noesi (3.44). Correct me if I’m wrong but they weren’t even on the radar at the start of the season. Long may it continue.

  14. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I’m just dying for Rafael Soriano to waltz right into this playoff stretch and morph into the 1-2-3 machine he was as a closer last year. If we can get that guy in these games and in the playoffs – fully rested, it’s a 6 inning affair. Roberston-Soriano-Rivera could be lights out. The key is Soriano.

  15. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I’m just dying for Rafael Soriano to waltz right into this playoff stretch and morph into the 1-2-3 machine he was as a closer last year. If we can get that guy in these games and in the playoffs – fully rested, it’s a 6 inning affair. Roberston-Soriano-Rivera could be lights out. The key is Soriano.

    ============

    If I’m not mistaken, Soriano has been giving us clean innings since he got back.

  16. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Bret-
    I like the way you think.
    Call me an optimist, but I really do believe Soriano can be an incredible reliever for the rest of the season.
    If healthy, I think he can gets outs on a consistent basis and bridge the gap to Mo

  17. pkyankfan69 August 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Yanks would be crazy to let Martin go.
    2 – 3 year contract sounds perfect.
    Not only does he help the young SP but you have Martin, Girardi, and Pena helping Montero.

    Montero gives Martin 1-2 days a week behing the plate and is the DH the rest of the time.

    Arod is DH the 1-2 days a week when Montero is catching (if he needs it.)

    Seems like a perfect fit. If Martin plays very solid D + teaching the young guys any offense from him is a bonus.

  18. blake August 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    G. Love,

    I think there certainly is something to be said for Nova’s attitude during all of this…..he was sent down and maybe undeservedly so and instead of going down and pouting he went down and worked on his slider and tried to get better…..I think it paid off last night.

    That slider, if he can sustain it and become more consistent with it, increases his celing as a starter IMO…..you have a guy with a 92-94 mph sinker than can touch 95-96 with the 4 seam and then mix in a 87 mph slider…..that’s just nasty and you could see it in the swings to Chi Sox were taking last night…..they read fastball and then it was gone….impressive start by him both in results and and in process and I love his attitude throughout this whole process….I”m sure the Yankees do as well.

  19. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Bret-

    There is no telling what we’re gonna get from Sorryano. No telling if that arm of his will hold up.

    You can’t make a bet on him one way or another.

    One step at a time. One pitch at a time. One game at a time.

    Hoping for the best of course.

  20. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    If I’m not mistaken, Soriano has been giving us clean innings since he got back.

    ********

    Yes I know. It has me excited about his future appearances in potentially huge games. He can really get the fans on his side if he just keeps pitching clean innings down the stretch. I hope we never have to see Boone Logan for more than 1 batter in a big game.

  21. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Blake-

    That slider really couldn’t be improved upon.

    A wipeout pitch. He did not miss with it.

    Hitters were helpless. Some awful swings and thats when they even connected.

  22. G. Love August 5th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    blake,

    You didn’t hear a peep out of Nova that he “had nothing left to learn at AAA” like some of the higher upside pitching guys said here in the past.

    He’s mature and he wants it. You can see the difference between him and a mentally weaker guy trying to figure it out. He shuts the noise off and goes to work.

  23. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    If Soriano shuts down the Sux he will be forgiven all past transgressions in a New York minute. If he plunks Pedroia – ten seconds.

  24. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    G. Love August 5th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    He?s mature and he wants it. You can see the difference between him and a mentally weaker guy trying to figure it out. He shuts the noise off and goes to work.

    ******************

    I love Nova-he’s become one of my favorites this season.

  25. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    The Padres made a very, very big mistake returning Nova to the Yankees.

    Fortunately for us.

    :)

  26. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    G. Love-
    Why can’t A.J. adopt that same attitude as Nova?
    Why is A.J. unable to learn from people like Mo, C.C. etc………….

    Nova is making great strides and if Colon/Garcia were not on the team, Nova would
    be in the rotation.

    I know 6 starters is too many, but right now Nova seems to be the 6th starter.
    Does not mean he’s the worst out of 6, but various circumstances are working against
    him for now.

  27. blake August 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    G Love,

    Agree…..I like the kid. I may have underestimated him…….

  28. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I agree with everyone who projects Nova as a #2 with that slider in tact. He is a big dude as well. He has a very commanding demeanor. He’s just an awesome physical presence on the mound. It likely feels very intimidating to hitters to watch his pitches dart all over the plate at varying speeds with movement. Like Martin said after the game. The dude is a stud right now. He has 4 quality pitches – all the tools in the world to make it big. Nova also happens to be surrounded by the perfect group of coaches, supporting staff and players. He is the goods. The only question with him is consistency and that will come with time. As for now, his stuff is so good, he does not have to be perfect. He’s a #3 on most teams, right NOW. He has a comparable sinker to Wang and a far more fast arsenal. His slider is better. He has a change and a curve. And Wang pitched most of his games for the Yanks as a borderline ace. Nova has arrived.

  29. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    G. Love,

    I totally agree. Ivan Nova will never have to retreat to the NL to be successful. He has the moxy to not only perform but to excel in the AL East. There’s no question it’s the most brutal division in baseball.

  30. blake August 5th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    MTU,

    We have too many good pitchers……what shall we do? I think Rothschild has been a money signing by the Yanks.

  31. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    edit: vast arsenal.

  32. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    WTP-

    IMO there are no circumstances working against Nova.

    He is pitching at a level that the Yankees would be foolish to ignore.

    You MAKE a place for a guy this good. It’s simple.

  33. blake August 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Nova, Noesi, Hughes, Betances, Banuelos, Warren, Phelps…….can you just imagine if the Red Sox had all those guys 25 and under nearly ready for the bigs…..Peter Gammons would have the propaganda spread so thick that America would wonder why the other 29 teams even show up.

  34. Jacques Strappe August 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Hughes or Nova? Nova or Hughes?

    Here’s a simple solution to deciding which one gets knocked out of the current 6-man rotation:

    Skip over Burtnett once or maybe even twice, and continue using both Nova AND Hughes.

  35. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Blake-

    You’re worried about having too much gold ?

    Can you ever have too much.

    This will sort itself out.

    Rothschild may be having a big impact on the younger guys in particular.

    Colon and CC are pretty much finished products and self sustaining.

  36. bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    What i really dont understand is why the yankees sometimes struggle making decisions that might hurt peoples feelings but would better the team. For example why have Andruw Jones when Montero could do what he is doing while gathering big league experience, why they cant acknowledge AJs bad contract and remove him from the rotation when it is very obvious we have 5 (maybe more) better starters.

  37. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    MTU-
    It might appear simple, but the situation is very complex.
    Guys like A.J. make a ton of money. More than Nova makes.
    To “demote” a player like that would be a disaster on so many levels.
    A.J. would have to pitch poorly, like not get through the 5th inning for maybe 3 consecutive starts before Girardi would seriously consider removing him from the rotation.
    Hughes is going to get chance after chance to prove himself.
    Garcia and Colon each have done nothing to be demoted, sent to the pen, removed from the rotation to date. Each of them could benefit from extra rest, but they also need to continue starting because of the success each has enjoyed so far this season.

    See what I mean: Very complex situation

  38. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    What i really dont understand is why the yankees sometimes struggle making decisions that might hurt peoples feelings but would better the team. For example why have Andruw Jones when Montero could do what he is doing while gathering big league experience, why they cant acknowledge AJs bad contract and remove him from the rotation when it is very obvious we have 5 (maybe more) better starters.

    ************

    1. Because Montero does not play the outfield, Jones is our only backup.

    2. Jones is hitting .333 in his last ten games, with a homer and 5 RBI’s.

  39. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    swbyankeesTT Final line on Mark Prior in his GCL start today: 1 ip, 0 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 2 k. He hit a batter.

  40. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Blake-

    You’re worried about having too much gold ?

    Can you ever have too much.

    This will sort itself out.

    Rothschild may be having a big impact on the younger guys in particular.

    Colon and CC are pretty much finished products and self sustaining.
    ===============

    I wonder where all of the movement on Bartolo’s fastball came from. Could it have bee Rothschild’s influence, or did he pick it up before he got here? He wasn’t throwing like this a few years ago.

  41. blake August 5th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    MTU,

    I agree that CC is a finished product….however he does appear to be pitching differently year somewhat IMO….the last couple of years he starting getting away from power pitching and pitching more to contact with the change up and 2 seamer….and he had good success doing that. This year for whatever reason he’s back to going after K’s and power pitching again….the velocity is up, the K’s are up, and the ERA is down. Could just be the hot weather and that he’s feeling good….and just be one of those years….or it could be Rothschild’s influence. I don’t know….but I like it.

  42. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    What i really dont understand is why the yankees sometimes struggle making decisions that might hurt peoples feelings but would better the team. For example why have Andruw Jones when Montero could do what he is doing while gathering big league experience, why they cant acknowledge AJs bad contract and remove him from the rotation when it is very obvious we have 5 (maybe more) better starters.

    ==================
    Jones is OPSing close to .900 against lefties, and provides presence on the bench. It isn’t at all clear that Montero could provide that kind of production on a Major-League level.

  43. bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    WCYF,

    and what about AJ?

  44. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    WTP-

    I don’t agree. They should be able to come up with a plan that helps to sort it out.

    That’s what they get paid for, and besides this is exactly the kind of problem most teams would kill for.

    If it were me I would keep CC and AJ on normal rest and manipulate Bartolo and Garcia’s starts until someone falters or is clearly superior.

    One of those outcomes is likely after a while.

    Also gives Colon and Garcia much needed rest.

    It’s too bad we are basically stuck with AJ.

    Box of chocolates and one of the most overpaid #4/5 pitcher’s in baseball.

  45. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    bistonthrow,

    Those are 2 legitimate questions. With Andruw Jones, he’s doing an excellent job when facing lefties. Chavez is great as a lefty as well. I’m not sure where Montero fits in right now but I see your point. Would Montero’s immediate development be worth a possible short term drop in production from your DH spot? I guess there’s risk. Is the risk of a dropoff even higher due to the timing of a possible Montero promotion conflicting with a playoff race? Possibly. Jones has an OPS of .850 against lefties. I think maybe there’s a better case to be made for Montero replacing Cervelli but then if Martin suffers an injury in the post season, Montero would be the catcher. Tremendous risk.

    As for AJ, I think it boils down to Nova and Hughes. If both continue to excel and AJ remains on his course, AJ will become the long man.

  46. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I wonder where all of the movement on Bartolo?s fastball came from. Could it have bee Rothschild?s influence, or did he pick it up before he got here? He wasn?t throwing like this a few years ago.

    ___________________

    Yeah, you and the rest of baseball. It’ll come out sooner or later…hopefully later.

  47. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Ghost-

    IMO he picked that up before he hit camp.

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I don’t mean this as a negative but Nova has great potential to improve even more than he has.

    * He has given up more hits (110) than he has innings pitched (106).

    * Only (67) strike outs or (3.52) per game.

    * He has the second highest batting average against and WHIP (Phil Hughes first) among starters.

  49. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    He wasn?t throwing like this a few years ago.
    ___________________

    He wasn’t throwing like the 10 years ago.

  50. Warning Track Power August 5th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Howard-
    Colon had an operation.
    The procedure was considered a success.
    The results are clear as day.
    End of story!

  51. have a cigar August 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    You have to hand it to Mark Prior: he’s tenacious as hell.

    Not many people could go from being one of baseball’s golden children to toiling away in the minors just for another shot. I hope he makes back to the bigs, even if it’s not w/the Yanks.

  52. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I don?t mean this as a negative but Nova has great potential to improve even more than he has.

    * He has given up more hits (110) than he has innings pitched (106).

    * Only (67) strike outs or (3.52) per game.

    * He has the second highest batting average against and WHIP (Phil Hughes first) among starters
    ____________________________________

    Wait, you mean he’s not headed to the HOF after his first 20 starts?

  53. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Howard-
    Colon had an operation.
    The procedure was considered a success.
    The results are clear as day.
    End of story!
    _____________________

    Umm. Okay?

  54. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Blake-

    CC can pretty much do whatever he wants out on a mound.

    No telling if Rothschild encouraged this or not.

    I’m with you. I love it either way.

  55. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    and what about AJ?
    ===============
    AJ’s contract is essentially money that is essentially spent. It makes very little sense to cast him aside, especially since the guy has had a fairly productive season, with the exception of his last few starts. To this point in the season, Hughes has had one, maybe two good starts this year. It would be pretty myopic to ignore all of the good work has done this year, based on the last few weeks.

  56. Joe from Long Island August 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    cigar – you’re right. The guy is tenacious as all get out. From what I’ve read, he just flat out loves playing baseball, and is not ready to say goodbye to his career. Whether it’s the Yankees or someone else (not Boston) I hope he finds success.

  57. Irreverent Discourse August 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Reduced velocity = more movement.

    Colon use to throw in the upper 90′s, there wa sno time for the ball to move.

  58. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Colon has always had a good 2 seamer….he’s been getting backwards K’s with it for years…..the last year he was healthy enough to pitch a full season he won the Cy Young

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I don?t mean this as a negative but Nova has great potential to improve even more than he has.

    * He has given up more hits (110) than he has innings pitched (106).

    * Only (67) strike outs or (3.52) per game.

    * He has the second highest batting average against and WHIP (Phil Hughes first) among starters
    ____________________________________

    Wait, you mean he’s not headed to the HOF after his first 20 starts?

    *************

    Imagine that. I mean that when he improves on those stats which I fully expect him to with his talent and attitude, his upside will prove to be even greater than many think.

  60. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I’m taking a course on Human Genetics this fall. The guy teaching it has a PhD in Genetics. I’m going to ask him about Bartolo’s stem cell procedure…see what he thinks. Does anyone have a good link I can use. Maybe I can email my prof a YouTube.

  61. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Even Girardi noted that Colon didn’t have the kind of movement on his fastball that he has demonstrated this year. colon has become very hard to square up, and hit hard.

  62. bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    But isnt it a managers job to day in and day out but the best possible/available team on the field? I think if Hughes makes another start like he did his last than its fairly obvious that CC, Burrito Colon, Freddy, Nova/Hughes, Nova/Hughes are the 5 that give us the best opportunity to win each and every game. As you said the money on AJ is pretty much already spent so why get hit by his sword twice. You already paid him but why have him getting shelled at the same time.

  63. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Colon is throwing a 4-seamer as well as a 2 seamer.

    He can bring the 4-seamer at up to 95-96.

    The 2 seamer comes in in the low 90′s and is the pitch with the nasty arm side movement.

    It is a wicked, wicked pitch. Just look at all the called strike 3′s he gets with it.

  64. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    in 2005 Colon averaged 92.7 mph on his fastball. This year 91.8…..less than 1 mph difference and he’s throwing a ton of 2 seamers this year which brings that number down less than it could be. Bart may be getting more movement on it now but he’s always had a good 2 seamer….he just hasn’t been healthy in forever.

  65. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    It’s true that the money is spent on AJ…but you can’t cash a bad check.

  66. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Russ Martin is the best defensive catcher and best catcher in terms of managing a pitching staff that the Yankees have had since Girardi. That alone is reason enough for the Yankees to offer him a 2 year deal after this season.

    Listening to Cashman yesterday on WFAN I think Montero will be up this month. Cashman says that he believes Montero could hit in the majors right away (though I wouldn’t expect him to say anything other than that) and since he’ll be Rule V eligible at the end of the year anyway – there’s no point in not putting him on the 40 man roster.

  67. G. Love August 5th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    West Coast,

    I think Nova has been progressively improving on those stats as the year went on. Before he was sent down he just started to get better with strikeouts. I feel his ability to strike guys is out is the next hurdle he’s about to clear.

    There’s a pattern with this guy. At first his big issue was he couldn’t get through the 5th. He worked hard and got through that. The next hurdle was he couldn’t strike guys out. Then he had that start in Cincy where he K’d 7 and since then has been improving that ability before our eyes.

    The thing I love about him is he is cognizant of the things he need to work on and he works hard at overcoming them.

    The kind of development that you see with him going on this season is why I say the whole theory that Yankee fans won’t accept developing players is BS. What Yankee fans won’t accept are guys who don’t compete and fail repeatedly. No fan will accept that game after game.

    The progression with Nova has been a joy to watch. It’s reminding me of Robertsen, Gardner and what happened when Cano & Wang came up and shocked a lot of us with their play.

    You can develop players in NY. You just can’t develop players who are not yet ready for the major league’s here.

  68. Irreverent Discourse August 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    blake – that doesn’t separate 2 seam and 4 seam fastballs

  69. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    It?s true that the money is spent on AJ?but you can?t cash a bad check.

    He’s being what he’s always been. It’s not his fault the Yankees tossed all the money his way. He’s a .500 pitcher, and always has been.
    I think instead of being upset at AJ for being exactly what he’s always been, we should just accept the fact that he’s not going to wake up and just be better for more than one or two games in a row.
    It is what it is. Lower your expectations.

  70. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    But isnt it a managers job to day in and day out but the best possible/available team on the field?

    ================

    No, I thought that the goal was to to win a championship. The Yankees are stronger if they can straighten out AJ. It’s important to take a longer view here, than simply maximizing short-term opportunities. AJ has had at least a dozen solid starts this year. Phil has had one or two.

  71. bisonthrow August 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Howard,

    Or dont pitch him when you have a plethora of more consistent arms

  72. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Joba_62 Happy Friday everyone. Hope y’all have a great day and even a better weekend!!

  73. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Howard,

    My expectations have remained the same for AJ as they’ve always been. I think he could pitch like a #3 starter on most NL teams.

    I guess where I disagree is that he should pitch ahead of Ivan Nova and Phil Hughes on the Yankees if they both continue to dominate.

    The Yankees are in a unique situation where they can put the best product out on the field and win now, while at the same time providing a perfect opportunity for growth and development of young prospects.

    All they have to do is ride Hughes and Nova down the stretch and put AJ in long relief.

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    G. Love August 5th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    West Coast,

    I think Nova has been progressively improving on those stats as the year went on. Before he was sent down he just started to get better with strikeouts. I feel his ability to strike guys is out is the next hurdle he’s about to clear.

    There’s a pattern with this guy. At first his big issue was he couldn’t get through the 5th. He worked hard and got through that. The next hurdle was he couldn’t strike guys out. Then he had that start in Cincy where he K’d 7 and since then has been improving that ability before our eyes.

    The thing I love about him is he is cognizant of the things he need to work on and he works hard at overcoming them.

    The kind of development that you see with him going on this season is why I say the whole theory that Yankee fans won’t accept developing players is BS. What Yankee fans won’t accept are guys who don’t compete and fail repeatedly. No fan will accept that game after game.

    The progression with Nova has been a joy to watch. It’s reminding me of Robertsen, Gardner and what happened when Cano & Wang came up and shocked a lot of us with their play.

    You can develop players in NY. You just can’t develop players who are not yet ready for the major league’s here.

    ****************

    Outstanding post. Kudos.

  75. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    “that doesn’t separate 2 seam and 4 seam fastballs”

    no….but it didn’t in 2005 either. He’s throwing a ton of 2 seamers this year so you’d assume that his 4 seam average is closer to 94 or so. My point was that he had a really good 2 seamer back when he was with the Angels as well…. maybe not as good as now (I’m not sure how to qualify that…he won the Cy Young in 2005) but it’s not like its a new pitch for him.

  76. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    The Yankees are stronger if they can straighten out AJ.

    ________________

    Straigten him out to what? Every team he’s ever been on, sans Toronto one year, has been waiting for AJ to “straighten it out”. Good game, bad game, mediocre game, good game, bad game…on and on and on.

    He is what he is. Look at his baseball card. You’re right: hes a solid pitcher most of the time, and won’t lose the game for them often. He keeps them in games. He batttles. All the other cliches apply here, but it all points to what he is and always have been. Once you accept that and forget the truck load of money NY spent on him, it’s easier to accept his starts as part of his performance history that isn’t likely to stop anytime soon.

  77. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Case-in-point. Nova, work on your slider in SWB. Presto, a month later, a plus-plus slider.

  78. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Joba is going out of his mind not being an active Yankee. Twitter? Man, find some Nebraska girls. They should have girls there.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Joba who?

  80. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    “that doesn’t separate 2 seam and 4 seam fastballs”

    no….but it didn’t in 2005 either. He’s throwing a ton of 2 seamers this year so you’d assume that his 4 seam average is closer to 94 or so. My point was that he had a really good 2 seamer back when he was with the Angels as well…. maybe not as good as now (I’m not sure how to qualify that…he won the Cy Young in 2005) but it’s not like its a new pitch for him.
    ============
    My guess is that he realized that he couldn’t consistently get away with overpowering hitters, and so he worked on the two-seamer. The nice thing is that he can still rush it up there at 98 when he needs to do so.

  81. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    All they have to do is ride Hughes and Nova down the stretch and put AJ in long relief.
    ___________

    Funny. Two weeks ago, Hughes was the sacrificial lamb here for a couple bad/mediocre starts coming of the DL, and no real evidence that he was improving. Then, he puts a good game together against a reeling CWS team, and now NY should be “riding” him and Nova down the stretch instead, and put a guy who can’t throw strikes consistently that aren’t down the middle of the plate in long relief?

  82. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    I’d like to continue to see what Hughes and Nova can do.

    They are both throwing up quality starts at the moment.

    I hope that is not short-circuited unless there is a very good reason.

    Let them pitch until they show they do not belong.

    Deal with that if it happens.

    Colon and Garcia can always use some extra rest for the stretch run and do not seem to be adversely affected by changes in their schedule.

  83. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    G. Love,

    Yankee fans need to see improvement and they like to see it in a linear fashion….it doesn’t always work like that though especially with pitchers.

    Nova has been on a steady uphill curve since last year…..that’s easy progress to follow and easy progress to accept. It’s the situations like with Hughes when it’s been up and down, three steps forward and 2 back type deals that try fans patience……but that’s how it is sometimes.

  84. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Howard,

    I think Hughes next start will factor into the final decision on AJ. If the arm strength is there, it’s there.

  85. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    The Yankees are stronger if they can straighten out AJ.

    ________________

    Straigten him out to what? Every team he’s ever been on, sans Toronto one year, has been waiting for AJ to “straighten it out”. Good game, bad game, mediocre game, good game, bad game…on and on and on.

    He is what he is. Look at his baseball card. You’re right: hes a solid pitcher most of the time, and won’t lose the game for them often. He keeps them in games. He batttles. All the other cliches apply here, but it all points to what he is and always have been. Once you accept that and forget the truck load of money NY spent on him, it’s easier to accept his starts as part of his performance history that isn’t likely to stop anytime soon.
    ==========

    Straighten him out to be closer to where he was earlier in the season. As for the rest, you’re preaching to the choir. I’ve long since lowered my expectations for him. He is a .500 pitcher, which ain’t bad, even if it ain’t good.

  86. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Ghost,

    I’d agree with that…Colon has always been a guy that keeps a little extra in reserve….he doesn’t pitch max speed….he pitches about 90% and then when he needs 100% he cranks it up….he’s always been like that.

  87. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Just win one game….

    Nova is not being taken out of the rotation and I don’t think AJ has been nearly bad enough to be removed. I don’t think the Yankees are buying into Phil being “back” (whatever back means) just because of one start – and they shouldn’t. Cashman couldn’t have been more forceful in insisting that the decision comes down to Phil or Nova – and Nova has just been far better. I think we’ll end up seeing Phil go to the pen – instead of AAA.

  88. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Betsy,

    If Phil goes to the pen then I hope he’s the long man because he needs innings.

  89. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    I think the one thing we need to keep in mind about the starts of Hughes and Nova in this series is that the Chicago White Sox really really stink.

    I hope that this was the start of good things to come, but want to see more before I say Hughes is back and Nova is here.

  90. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Bret, he won’t get that as the long man. I think he should go to AAA to be honest- but even then it’s a problem because the minor league season ends in a month. I guess send him to AAA for now and then putting him in the pen for the post-season would be the best thing. They’ll just have to deal with his innings next year – there’s really nothing else that can be done.

  91. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    I’m not sure there is any straightening out with AJ either….they straightened him out about as much as you can from last year when he was just dreadful…..he’s been better this year….more consistent and kep them in more ballgames. The 95 mph average fastball isn’t coming back, and he’s too old to rebuild his delivery so that he can command the ball better….so he is what he is….

    He’s a 4 something ERA pitcher and he’s always been a 4 something ERA pitcher….he was a 4 something ERA pitcher his last year in Toronto when they signed him. He’s a good back end starter that is good sometimes and bad sometimes….the only thing with the Yankees is that they may have 2-3 guys that are just as good or better and that are 10 years younger.

  92. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    One start, even if it were against a great team, wouldn’t be enough……….. Nova has pitched well for awhile, though. He’s a good pitcher – he’s sort of proven that already.

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I’m a pro-media guy for the most part as those here are well aware. But Lupica’s column this morning on the Yankees-Red Sox series is about as dumb and one-sided as one could imagine.

  94. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    The law of averages says that we win ALL THREE games in Boston. Since we are tied for first with Boston, that would lend you to believe that we are basically very evenly matched. Since Boston is 8-1 against us so far, even AFTER we sweep them this weekend, they will be 8-4 against us. 8-4 is the closest number to 6-6 that is possible after this weekend, so it is a virtual LOCK that we sweep these bastages. WHO IS WITH ME ??? :-)

  95. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Hughes showed the best breaking ball he’s shown in over 3 years the other night and his best velocity and command since last year. The results of the game didn’t matter…..it’s those observational things that do matter and why you have to follow up with him and see if he can repeat it in his next start.

  96. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Blake, a leopard doesn’t change his spots – AJ is who he is. That said, it’s not like if you put a gun to my head I would say that it’s guaranteed that Phil would pitch better than him. I think the Yankees understand what they are getting from AJ overall when he pitches – they don’t harbor any illusions of greatness from him.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Here we go. A nice benign Nova comment priming the passive-aggressive pump for more Hughes hatred.

  98. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Betsy-

    If they need Phil to get some more innings they can always send him to Winter ball somewhere.

    The Caribbean is a pretty nice place.

    ;)

  99. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    “But Lupica’s column this morning on the Yankees-Red Sox series is about as dumb and one-sided as one could imagine.”

    are you really surprised that Lupica wrote something dumb or lazy or uninformed.

  100. pat August 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    If this isn’t a joke,someone needs to give Francona a raise for putting up with it. Can you imagine a Yankee doing that?

    http://www.csnne.com/08/04/11/.....7318367020

  101. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    One start, even if it were against a great team, wouldn?t be enough???.. Nova has pitched well for awhile, though. He?s a good pitcher ? he?s sort of proven that already.

    ———————–

    You could also argue that Nova’s starts have come against the Mets, Cinci, Colorado, and then last night. It will be interesting to see Nova’s second turn through some of the better teams in the AL. Right now, he’s only faced Boston once, Tampa once, Texas twice (one real bad, one good), and the Angels once. The next time through will show his ability to adapt. I still give Hughes the nod over Nova (and AJ).

  102. 86w183 August 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I know a lot of people are excited about Hughes, but remember he only had to throw 65 pitches against a weak hitting team. He’s going to have to do that again and again before anyone should be certain he’s back to where he was the first half of 2010.

    That said if anyone is going to get skipped it should definitely be Burnett. If it wasn’t for the $$$ involved it wouldn’t even be debatable. The guy is Kyle Farnsworth with more hair and tattoos. Off the charts talent, middle of the road results.

  103. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    If Phil can dial it up to 95, I think there’s a possibility he goes to the bullpen near the end of the season. It’s a familiar role, and in Joba’s absence one that needs to be filled.

    ESPN had an article asking which of Burnett, Garcia, or Nova should be the 3rd starter in the postseason.

    Nova could be the odd guy out based on seniority and greenness.

  104. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I’d like to propose an equitable trade to the Mutts:

    Burnett for Gee. The Mets get a solid veteran with upside in the National League, while the Yankees take their chances with a younger unproven NL East stud.

  105. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I’m sorry – Texas three times, though the last time wasn’t great either.

  106. luis August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Hi everyone,

    Brett, very good opening post. it`s true his best tool is his character and attitude. I also think that he might be a very good number 2. I remember when Vizquel was 17 and was the back up SS of another incredible player named Jose Alberto Diaz Martinez. Vizquel went on to have an amazing career, jose never played in organized baseball, the diference….. Character

  107. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    MTU, I don’t think they can do that – I think that’s only for minor leaguers

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    “But Lupica’s column this morning on the Yankees-Red Sox series is about as dumb and one-sided as one could imagine.”

    are you really surprised that Lupica wrote something dumb or lazy or uninformed.

    ************

    He doesn’t always. This one was particularly annoying.

  109. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    If Nova is not kept in the rotation, then Cashman, Girardi et. al. are soft. Hughsielicious may have hit his pitching peak. Didn’t someone mention he arrived in spring training out of shape? If that’s true, a nice red flag for young ex-master Hughes.

  110. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    I have just one question.

    How many “you can’t go by just one start”‘s does Hughes have to string together before you can judge Hughes’ work?

  111. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Phil does not have to pitch like first half Phil of 2010- personally, I think that was mostly flukish- but he has to be consistently reliable. One start is not close to being enough to prove he can do that.

  112. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    If this isn?t a joke,someone needs to give Francona a raise for putting up with it. Can you imagine a Yankee doing that?

    http://www.csnne.com/08/04/11/…..7318367020

    ____________________________

    They’re talking about it on talk radio now. Ortiz was melting down about a scorekeeper argument of some kind. It’s very immature.

  113. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Betsy-

    I don’t think that’s true. Was Colon a minor league guy or considered a pro ? He pitched in the DWL last season.

    Someone can correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t believe it’s restricted to MiLB players.

  114. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Hughes showed the best breaking ball he’s shown in over 3 years the other night and his best velocity and command since last year. The results of the game didn’t matter…..it’s those observational things that do matter and why you have to follow up with him and see if he can repeat it in his next start.

    ================

    I think that the results mattered very much in that the positive results gave Hughes confidence, and had positive repercussions on the rest of his performance.

  115. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    M, I think he’s going to the pen anyway – he’ll be the 6th inning guy – if they even need that.

  116. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I think there was one game in Toronto in 2008 that really put the “acquire Burnett” taste in the Yankees mouth. I remember the game well.

    It was August 19th and he pitched 8 innings of 1 run ball striking out 13 Yankees. His power curve ball was as good as I have ever seen any pitcher throw. Our hitters looked totally over-matched.

  117. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Super Nova has already been sent down and deserves a place in the rotation. Only managerial incompetence will hasten his return to AAA.

  118. I Like Inge August 5th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    pat August 5th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
    If this isn’t a joke,someone needs to give Francona a raise for putting up with it. Can you imagine a Yankee doing that?

    http://www.csnne.com/08/04/11/…..7318367020

    —————-

    Honestly, I would do that too if I was in a free agent year, and I had a couple of RBI taken away from me. Contract year and RBI = dollars.

  119. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Possible AJ waiver wire deals:

    AJ Burnett for Alfonso Soriano

    AJ Burnett for Jake Peavy

    AJ Burnett for Johan Santana

    AJ Burnett for Wandy Rodriguez

  120. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    86,

    I agree and that’s true….the breaking ball he threw was the main reason I was excited because that’s something new. We could have assumed that the velocity or command might come back…..but a curveball with that kinda of velocity and snap we haven’t seen from him in awhile….not even last year. That was what got me a little excited…not because I thought he could be as good as last year…..because if that pitch is for real he could be better than last year. It is just one start though and he has to follow it up with another good one…..

  121. JobaTipsHisCap August 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Winner of game 1 takes the series

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    “I think he’s going to the pen anyway – he’ll be the 6th inning guy”

    ************

    Really? An All-Star who was 18-8 and is back to throwing 95MPH the 6th inning guy. Imagine.

  123. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I can’t believe that anybody bothers reading Lupica anymore. The guy has several columns that he keeps repeating over and over again. He’s an absolute bore.

  124. MTU August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Catch you later gang.

    Have a good day.

    :)

  125. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    AJ for Dillon Gee. The Mutts are finished. AJ would become CY Young in NL East imo. Regardless, IMO, a trade to the NL is in Burnett’s future.

  126. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    WCYF,

    Please stop bringing up last season. It was a fluke.

  127. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    It’s no different than Posada’s little meltdown, err bad back.

    Baseaball players are stat-watching babies. Anyone of them that says they aren’t are lying right to your face. The scorekeeper was on the Radio, and says he probably fields 5 complaints a game from players no matter which park he’s in. They’re never happy with a error, or judgment call, but in this case he was right. Ortiz knocked in two runners, but the second was on error, which took away the RBI. The scorekeeper was correct, as the Boston 3b coach put up the stop sign initially, then waved the runner in after the error was committed.

  128. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Bret,

    Soriano is terrible
    Peavy is hurt all the time
    Santana is owed like 50 million bucks and nobody even knows if he’ll make it back.
    Wandy is owed as much as AJ and might not even be as good…..

    not to mention that none of those teams would want AJ because they want to unload bad contracts….not replace one they have with another.

  129. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    If this isn?t a joke,someone needs to give Francona a raise for putting up with it. Can you imagine a Yankee doing that?

    http://www.csnne.com/08/04/11/…..7318367020

    ____________________________

    The link is broken

  130. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Really? An All-Star who was 18-8 and is back to throwing 95MPH the 6th inning guy. Imagine.

    Yes, we can all imagine it happening, and probably will if he’s rocked, again, in his next outing.

  131. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I’m not hinting at anything or anything, but why is Ortiz always raging?

    Is he borderline personality disorder?

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    m August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    WCYF, Please stop bringing up last season. It was a fluke.

    *************

    A fluke? And his 95 MPH the other night and dominating performance through six? A fluke also?

  133. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Sorry, Ghostwriter. It was someone else’s link to begin with, I just copied it.

    I didn’t actually use the link since it was on the radio at the same time.

  134. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Young ex-master Hughsie arrived in spring training a bit out of shape. The pressure of Super Nova is getting to the Hughster. His one good start may be an anomaly.

  135. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    m August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    WCYF, Please stop bringing up last season. It was a fluke.

    *************

    A fluke? And his 95 MPH the other night and dominating performance through six? A fluke also?
    =========================================================

    Response fail!

  136. pat August 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Ghostwriter

    http://www.csnne.com/08/04/11/.....7318367020

  137. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Is he borderline personality disorder

    Na, they’re all statistical obsessive. In a free agent year, I can see where any player would lose it, but the story is that Ortiz, not surprisingly, has a history with the scorekeeper from calls past.

  138. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Ortiz just uses protein powders and shakes lol;)

  139. IDCWYT August 5th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    One good start, is a good sign, but it does not turn Hughes into an “Ace” Let’s see some consistency first.

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Howard August 5th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Yes, we can all imagine it happening, and probably will if he’s rocked, again, in his next outing.

    ***********

    He may get rocked in his next outing; no one can predict the future. All pitchers have rough outings. But Hughes abilities are top of the rotation ones when he is right and the Yankees know that. He is on his way back from shoulder inflammation which clearly contributed to his velocity issues. His arm is getting stronger and he has worked hard on his curve ball and mechanics.

    Sixth inning guy in the pen? Please.

  141. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Blake,

    True but I’d rather have 1 year of Peavy on the DL at 17 mil than 2 years of AJ healthy at 17 mil each year. It’s like dumping 17 million bucks while hoping to salvage something on Peavy. White Sox will need starters.

  142. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    The Yankees might…..might could move AJ to like an NL West team or something this winter if they really wanted to and were OK eating over half of his contract. They’d likely get a PTBNL and just save some cash. Honestly if I were Cashman I’d explore that this winter…..call up the Padres or my good buddy Towers and say hey I’ll give you AJ and I’ll pay 60% of what’s left on his contract… they’d be getting 2 years of him for 6 or 7 million per year and the Yankees would save about 13 million dollars…..and clear a spot for their younger guys.

  143. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Use pat’s link above, the original link, and you will get to the story and a video (I didn’t watch the video).

    m’s reference to last year being a fluke was sarcasme.

  144. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Or, in English, sarcasm.

  145. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Bret,

    the White Sox wouldn’t do that unless the Yankees ate a bunch of AJ’s contract and then it becomes pointless…..at least AJ is healthy.

  146. pat August 5th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    “why is Ortiz always raging?”

    Because he can. The media thinks it’s cute.

    But he’s going to be a free agent and Sox may not resign him so he better be careful because now is just about the time the fans, media and the organization start to turn on Sox players.

  147. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    m August 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    WCYF, Please stop bringing up last season. It was a fluke.

    *************

    A fluke? And his 95 MPH the other night and dominating performance through six? A fluke also?
    ===========

    He threw 3 (out of 65) pitches at 95 the other night. That’s pretty much the textbook definition of a fluke, at this stage. You’ll forgive us if some of us wait to see over the next few outings before we start pushing his candidacy for the CYA this year?

  148. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Thanks, pat and Howard!

  149. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Blake,

    Why wouldn’t they want to dump Peavy’s 17 million? He’s on the DL all the time. They’re getting nothing for 17 million. With AJ, they’re getting 2 years of him for 17 million.

  150. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    So, he orchestrated this little outburst?

    If it was playacting and Francona was in on it, then I would say that’s pretty funny.

    But to embarrass Francona like that is crass.

    Anyway, the reason why I asked is that he’s always popping off. I guess it’s the contract thing because it goes all the way back to last season when he was struggling.

  151. blake August 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Bret,

    Because they’d probably like to just pay Peavy’s 17 million and then be off the hook….plus Peavy is better than AJ when healthy.

  152. Giuseppe Franco August 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Blake,

    True but I’d rather have 1 year of Peavy on the DL at 17 mil than 2 years of AJ healthy at 17 mil each year. It’s like dumping 17 million bucks while hoping to salvage something on Peavy. White Sox will need starters

    ———–

    So you’d rather pay a guy $17M for spending most of the season on the DL as opposed to a guy who will at least pitch every five days to the tune of a 4.00+ ERA?

    Um, gee, no wonder you suck so bad at playing GM.

  153. m August 5th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Peavy? No, thanks. Even at one year.

  154. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Wow, Ortiz has really become quite the douchebag. At one point, he seemed like a decent enough guy to me, but he’s a real jerk…

  155. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    With all of the great prospects in the NYY system, it might get to the point where Cashman doesn’t have to waste time with the ultra expensive AJ’s of the world and work with the AJ’s of the world to do a trade for everyone’s benefit. Even the Hughsies of the world could be traded if a superior farm team replacement is available. Looks like Super Nova makes one of the temps expendable (my bet is on Colon wearing out).

  156. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I never said he was a CY candidate so spare me your distortions. To say though that throwing a fastball at 95 MPH, three times or not is a fluke is absurd. You either have the ability to do so; or you don’t.

    I think it’s entirely possible, but not certain, for Hughes on his way back from an obvious injury to regress now and then, and that would not change my thinking in the least.

    He is a 25 year old who when he is right is a four-pitch, top to mid-rotation starter. That is his potential and there have been enough dominating games and successes to justify Yankees management in thinking that.

    I have no idea what Cashman and Girardi will do given the rotation decision that needs to be made. To send Hughes to the pen would be a huge mistake IMO.

  157. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Blake,

    Why spend 17 million for Peavy when you know he is going to be on the DL? I think Burnett is more valuable to the White Sox because they are losing Buerhle and lost Edwin Jackson. They actually could use an innings eater like Burnett. They’d be getting 2 years of Burnett for 17 million TOTAL (Burnett 34 million subtract Peavy 17 = 17).

    On the other hand, the Yankees would be clearing a rotation spot for as early as 2012 or 2013 if Peavy can somehow get healthy. Maybe send Peavy for stem cells :lol:

  158. blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    I would trade AJ for Peavy straight up because that means I save 15 million dollars and get out from under that money 1 year earlier…..the White Sox wouldn’t do that though for that same reason.

  159. 86w183 August 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    If AJ is moved this year or in the off-season I think it would be a swap of bad contracts with both teams hoping the change of scenery improved performance(s).

    The Yanks will be in the market for a RF and/or DH next season. The contracts of Vernon Wells, Alphonso Soriano, Alex Rios, Carlos Lee, Jaosn Bay and Adam Dunn are among those that qualify, but the number of years would/could be an issue. Dealing him for a bat makes more sense than doing it for an arm.

  160. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Wow, Ortiz has really become quite the douchebag. At one point, he seemed like a decent enough guy to me, but he?s a real jerk?

    ______________________

    There’s a reason all the player and coaches like the guy: he’s a good guy. They all have meltdowns from time to time. I don’t think it makes him anymore of douchbag than any other player for melting down.

  161. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    I would trade AJ for Peavy straight up because that means I save 15 million dollars and get out from under that money 1 year earlier…..the White Sox wouldn’t do that though for that same reason.

    **********

    It would be nice if they did though ;)

  162. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    AJ’s what – 33? He is what he is…what he’s always been.

    You’re not going to fix him, unlock some secret that will change him from an erratic pitcher with great stuff to a Cy Young contender.

  163. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    86w183 August 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    If AJ is moved this year or in the off-season I think it would be a swap of bad contracts with both teams hoping the change of scenery improved performance(s).

    The Yanks will be in the market for a RF and/or DH next season. The contracts of Vernon Wells, Alphonso Soriano, Alex Rios, Carlos Lee, Jaosn Bay and Adam Dunn are among those that qualify, but the number of years would/could be an issue. Dealing him for a bat makes more sense than doing it for an arm.

    ***********

    Which one of those bats do you like the most? Who is most due for a correction? Rios? Bay?

  164. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Ok, here’s the thing, AJ , if traded to the NL, will have an ERA of the high 3′s to very low 4′s so the NL team gets a bargain, especially if Cash sweetens the deal with cash. A trade for a reliever and a high end draft picks gets the deal.

  165. jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Has anyone else noticed the ‘across the board’ improvement that the pitching staff has made this year? Except for AJ Burnett, every Yankee pitcher has improved and is featuring new approaches to getting hitters out. I think that Larry Rothschild must be a major factor in this improvement. Under Dave Eiland all of our pitchers would try to get ahead with the fastball and then try to get hitters chasing the curve or slider out of the zone. Now pitchers are throwing their curve/slider for strikes earlier in the count and then have both the fastball and the curve/slider (out of the zone) available to finish off a batter. I may be wrong but I sense that Rothschild may be the best pitching coach we’ve had since Mel Stottlemyre. If I’m right, our young pitchers (Banuelos, Bettances, Warren et al) may mature more quickly when they get to the majors than they did under either Eiland or Guidry.

  166. m August 5th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Once upon a time I thought the Yankees should pick up Rios’ contract from the Jays. I thought he’d be a good change-of-scenery candidate. But now? Yuck. Not Yankee material. Of course it could be that Ozzie killed his soul.

  167. blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    I would rather just eat some of the salary and actually save the rest of the money than trade AJ for another bad contract…..mainly because I think AJ is probably more valuable to the team and in the clubhouse than some of the other bad deals out there.

  168. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    If Boston claimed Burnett, would any of you let him go there for just a salary dump?

    Me, no way. That’s his attractiveness: he’s capable of top notch stuff, but rarely harnesses it.

  169. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Who is trading for AJ Burnett?

    he’s owed $16.5 mil/year for 2012 and 2013 – that’s usually the kind of contract that people try to get the Yankees to take on.

    The only way you’re getting a team to take it back is if you take back a bad contract yourself – would the Cubs be willing to do a Zambrano for Burnett deal? Maybe. But would the Yankees be any better off?

  170. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Well, it’s no secret the Yankees want to dump the guy, upside or not. They placed him on waivers. That’s 34 million bux we’re talking.

  171. Joe from Long Island August 5th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    It depends on what other plans the Yanks to fill RF/DH spots.

    And, I was not favorably impressed by Rios’ play in the field, especially on Teixeira’s triple. He just jogged after that one. Can’t imagine Joe or Cash would be thrilled with that kind or play either, regardless of score.

  172. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Why are people attacking Hughes ? Yes he has not been good this year so far but he is still 25 years old with a lot of potential and good stuff. Clay Buchholz has had an up and down career so far with a recent injury and you don’t see the Red Sox giving up on him.

    I checked out Buchholz stats and Hughes and they are right around the same mark in terms of wins, and strikeouts, the only difference being ERA. Like I said before you can’t give up on young pitching talent sometimes.

  173. comet August 5th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    m, Ozzie has nothing to do with Rios’s performance. He played that way in Toronto after he got the big contract. That’s why they let a guy with his talent go for nothing. They wanted the dead weight off their books. Williams thought that a change of scenery would change Rios. It didn’t. Think Raul Mondesi.

  174. blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Chip,

    you eat a large portion of the 33 million in order to save the remainder of it. I don’t know if they will or not but if during their meetings this winter if they decide that AJ isn’t one of their 5 best starters heading into the spring…..then I think they’ll try to move him to one of the teams not on his no trade and offer to eat a big part of his contract to do so.

    Lets say they offered to eat 20 million of it and sent him to the Dbacks……could he help the middle and back of their rotation for 6.5 million a year? ……probably.

  175. mick August 5th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    one more time with the 6 man, if AJ blows his start, skip a turn…

  176. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    I don`t think the yankees are better of, and here is is why:

    1) Zambrano is a head case and a bad influence in the dogout

    2)His stuff is diminishing, he has an ERA of 4.46 in the NL, that translates to 5 something ERA in the AL

  177. jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Once upon a time I thought the Yankees should pick up Rios’ contract from the Jays. I thought he’d be a good change-of-scenery candidate. But now? Yuck. Not Yankee material. Of course it could be that Ozzie killed his soul.

    ==================================================

    I agree!!! After watching the terrible play he made on Teixeira’s triple the other night I’m convinced that he would be more trouble than he’s worth to us. Veteran outfielders aren’t supposed to play balls that way. Guillen was right to pull Rios from the game.

  178. Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    I think Buchholz’ era last season was largely a fluke.

  179. blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Even if you eat 20 million of AJ’s contract that means you’ve saved 13 million…..or 6.5 million a year. That’s 6.5 million that they could use on another LOOGY to destroy :)

  180. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    Well, it’s no secret the Yankees want to dump the guy, upside or not. They placed him on waivers. That’s 34 million bux we’re talking.

    —————–

    Every player gets put on waivers this time of year – you have to get players through waivers so that they can be elligible for trade.

    Which isn’t to say that the Yankees wouldn’t be thrilled if someone put in a claim on him.

  181. LGY August 5th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    If Boston claimed Burnett, would any of you let him go there for just a salary dump?

    ——

    Is that a trick question?

  182. tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Breaking my vow of silence from yesterday. Trade Burnett straight up for Bay. Could help both teams.

  183. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 5th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Agreed

  184. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    blake August 5th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
    Chip,

    you eat a large portion of the 33 million in order to save the remainder of it. I don’t know if they will or not but if during their meetings this winter if they decide that AJ isn’t one of their 5 best starters heading into the spring…..then I think they’ll try to move him to one of the teams not on his no trade and offer to eat a big part of his contract to do so.

    Lets say they offered to eat 20 million of it and sent him to the Dbacks……could he help the middle and back of their rotation for 6.5 million a year? ……probably.
    —————-

    That’s fine, but you’re still probably not getting anything of quality back for him. So now you’re paying $20 mil for AJ to help another team.

  185. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    jpb173
    I agree. I think Rothschild has done a great job. I looked back at his previous jobs and he was with some good teams with good pitchers. Atlanta 1995, Marlins 1997, Cubs 2002.

    I also like the slider-cutter pitch he taught Hughes. I noticed it in the game against the White Sox. That would be a great strike out pitch.

  186. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Where does he play??

  187. m August 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Ozzie=new Harry Potter character. The Soul Eater

  188. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    I never said he was a CY candidate so spare me your distortions. To say though that throwing a fastball at 95 MPH, three times or not is a fluke is absurd. You either have the ability to do so; or you don’t.

    I think it’s entirely possible, but not certain, for Hughes on his way back from an obvious injury to regress now and then, and that would not change my thinking in the least.

    He is a 25 year old who when he is right is a four-pitch, top to mid-rotation starter. That is his potential and there have been enough dominating games and successes to justify Yankees management in thinking that.

    I have no idea what Cashman and Girardi will do given the rotation decision that needs to be made. To send Hughes to the pen would be a huge mistake IMO.
    =====================

    To this point in his career, Hughes is a guy that has had some isolated spurts of strong production (e.g., first half of 2010, and second half of 2009), sandwiched by extended periods of subpar results and injuries. This is a fact. Yes, Hughes has potential, but he has been quite inconsistent since he came up. It isn’t clear to me that he even has two pitches on a consistent basis, let alone four–the curve, the changeup, the cutter, and even his fastball are all a bit spotty. Everything worked for him the other night. We get that. The question is how will he do on the other nights when everything isn’t working for him? I, for one, would like to see some more consistency from him, before I start gushing about his so-called 95-mph fastball. And that aint no distortion.

  189. jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    mick August 5th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
    one more time with the 6 man, if AJ blows his start, skip a turn…

    ==========================================

    I agree!!! I don’t think AJ is salvageable at this point. He gets too amp’d up for games and then can’t control himself when the going gets tough. Also, this is the 3rd year in a row that he has gotten off to a decent start and then faded as the season has progressed. I don’t think that he can maintain his fastball velocity and the sharp break on his curve for a whole season at this point in his career.

    The Yankees should make him a mop up guy for the rest of the season, leave him off the postgame roster and figure out to get rid of him in the offseason. At some point, the Yankees are going realize that it will be best to dump him and just eat the contract.

  190. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    That’s fine, but you’re still probably not getting anything of quality back for him. So now you’re paying $20 mil for AJ to help another team.

    ——–

    You save some money, and the team doesn`t get another player that hinders their roster flexibilty

  191. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    86,

    As bad as Jason Bay has been, he’s still boasting a .929 OPS versus lefties this year. His contract is a mirror image of AJ’s. I can see him as DH, LF, RF. We know he can rake in Fenway. He was injured for the first two years of his contract with the Mets but has put up a .979 OPS in the last 7 days.

    Here’s what’s left (from Cots):

    Jason Bay of

    signed by NY Mets as a free agent 1/5/10

    10:$6.5M, 11:$16M, 12:$16M, 13:$16M, 14:$17M club option ($3M buyout)

  192. PittsburghYankeeFan August 5th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Time to place AJ on the 15 day DL

    “Tired brain.”

  193. Betsy August 5th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Ghostwriter, that’s the truth

  194. tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Luis,
    Bay was with the Red Sox, hit well in the AL East, signed for ~$16 million with the Mets, done nothing in the Citi mausoleum since. Change of scene for both could help.

  195. Joe from Long Island August 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    tomingeorgia – funny, I had a similar thought last night. The two things are – what’s wrong with Bay? Is it something that a change of scenery out of Shea to YS, and maybe KLong can fix? And, two – how does that impact other possible moves the Yanks are considering?

  196. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Burnett needs to be removed in my opinion. I would eat up his contract and give him away. The guy is just too inconsistent.

    One GM dumb enough to take a chance on Burnett is Kenny Williams of the White Sox. Though he already has a lot of baggage on his roster.

  197. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Howard August 5th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Wow, Ortiz has really become quite the douchebag. At one point, he seemed like a decent enough guy to me, but he?s a real jerk?

    ______________________

    There’s a reason all the player and coaches like the guy: he’s a good guy. They all have meltdowns from time to time. I don’t think it makes him anymore of douchbag than any other player for melting down.

    ===========
    I don’t know about that… This tirade of his sounds pretty bad to me. It isn’t like he just lost his temper, and shot off his mouth. He actually had to march down to the press room to do what he did. You would think at some point, that he would have reigned himself in. Of course, I didn’t see the incident, so it might not have gone down the way I envision it.

  198. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    So basically you’re looking at AJ Burnett for 2012: 16.5 million + 2013: 16.5 million vs. Jason Bay for 2012: 16 million + 2013: 16 million. Plus 3 million dollar option. It’s 2 million dollars more for Bay vs. Burnett over the next 2 years. But you have a DH/RF/LF vs. a starter who clogs up the rotation through 2013 which would squeeze out one of the young arms.

  199. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Don`t get me wrong, i like the proposal, it`s just that i don`t know where he would play, unless you trade / don`t pick up Swisher`s option or play him as Dh, which will impact Montero, and the other aging players.

  200. Joe from Long Island August 5th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    What happened with Ortiz?

  201. 86w183 August 5th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    I haven’t researched all the contract possibilities, but of the guys I listed Bay would certainly interest me the most.

    I don’t know if AJ has the 10 teams specified in the contract. I think IF they ask him he has to provide a list, but it may already have happened.

    Alex Rios has more dog in him than maybe anyone in baseball. He’s the last guy I’d want to see in the Bronx.

  202. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    AJ means well, but with a .500 career winning percentage, why a 5 year deal with the NYY? A three year deal would have been appropriate with a team option for a fourth year. The jig is up for AJ, he must go to the NL to resurrect his career and be the second coming of Doc Halliday. He certainly must see that and would be foolish to stay in NY.

  203. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Would the Mets do it?

    Would the Yankees do it?

  204. tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Joe,
    It doesn’t change a thing about Y’s future moves, except empty a rotation slot. Contracts are similar, and Bay has been a hitter before in the AL East, concussed last year, doing better lately.

  205. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    jpb173

    Thank you for that post !

    The best thing for the Yankees is to eat up his contract and do whatever they can to get rid of Burnett. There should be no loyalty to Burnett when he has showed nothing since being a Yankee. And I mean consistency based on him getting number 2 type money.

  206. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Luis,

    That’s a good point. The Yankees could void Swisher’s option and move Bay to LF/DH if Kemp becomes available.

    If the Mets are willing to do AJ for Bay, the Yankees would be dumping AJ’s contract and Swisher’s 10 million dollar option. That frees up big time money for the Yankees.

  207. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    eboland11 76 and sunny currently at Fenway. Chance of rain tonight: 10%. Chance of four hour game: slightly higher

  208. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    I agree that we should face out AJ, but i don`t agree in your assestment of his career, he pitched that wonderful game 2 of the 2009 WS, he is a good teammate, he tries hard everytime, he just doesn`t have the stuff or ability to perform as a number 2..

  209. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    jpb173

    Thank you for that post !

    The best thing for the Yankees is to eat up his contract and do whatever they can to get rid of Burnett. There should be no loyalty to Burnett when he has showed nothing since being a Yankee. And I mean consistency based on him getting number 2 type money.
    ==================

    I think that Howard (and MG) had the definitive posts on the subject of AJ. How much AJ makes is irrelevant. AJ was a 4-ish ERA, .500 winning percentage pitcher when the Yanks signed him, and the Yanks have gotten a 4-ish, .500 winning percentage pitcher since A arrived. It isn’t AJ’s fault if the Yanks chose to overpay him.

  210. Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Tomingeorgia,

    It looks like we’re thinking along the same lines. AJ for Bay makes sense for the Yankees if the Yankees are bold enough to void Swisher’s 10 million dollar option or pick up his option and look to spin him in a trade.

  211. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    You can tell Ortiz has a temper he just puts on the nice guy act. He whines when he gets called out on strikes but no one whines as much as Mr. Kevin Youkilis “no one can ever strike me out”

  212. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    That Ortiz story is weird. I can’t imagine a Yankee doing that.

  213. Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    ” It isn’t AJ’s fault if the Yanks chose to overpay him.”

    That’s why the Y’s shouldn’t have gone to 5 years. A three year contract for a .500 pitcher is more than enough.

  214. waka flocka August 5th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Burnett would stink in the bullpen because of his inconsistency and trading him is almost impossible. you just have to cross your fingers and hope the next two years are like this one. he really hasn’t pitched that bad (minus the atrocity against the White Sox) and probably won’t start a game in the ALDS.

  215. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    It makes a lot of finantial sense, but what about Gardner?, 4th outfielder?….and what happens with Montero and the split job at the catcher position?, with Bay on the team i don`t see a way to play Montero everyday, only as a BUC. Thoughts?

  216. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Luis

    Good point. I should point out some of his positive contributions. It’s just that his performances are so erratic and frustrating to watch.

  217. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    EDIT: KEMP not Bay, i understand we get Bay and let go of Swish

  218. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Why would you want Jason Bay?

    He’s been hurt for parts of the last two years (say what you want about AJ but at least he takes the ball) and his defense is terrible – he was helped out a ton by having the Monster behind him.

    I get the notion of wanting to unload AJ, but taking back someone else’s garbage doesn’t make the Yankees a better team.

    Frankly – if my choices are Bay or Zambrano I would rather have Zambrano. But in truth I don’t want either one of them.

  219. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    ” It isn’t AJ’s fault if the Yanks chose to overpay him.”

    That’s why the Y’s shouldn’t have gone to 5 years. A three year contract for a .500 pitcher is more than enough.
    ===========
    I agree, but it’s hindsight, at this point. What’s done is done. I’m not going to beat the guy up for performing at the level at which he is capable of performing. As long as he’s working, I don’t have a problem with him. He is a league-average pitcher, which is fine by me. Obviously setting the rotation for the postseason is another story, but for the remainder of the season, he can chew up innings for us. Who knows? He maight get hot at the right time…

  220. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Yeah!, he is very frustrating, lol

  221. tomingeorgia August 5th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Bay, in his AL years, was a better fielder and at least equal hitter to Swisher. I would hate to see Swish go, but sign him to his option and trade him, if you need to. Wed have a similar problem in the outfield as we seem to at pitcher. As someone mentioned, not a bad situation to be in.

  222. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    To this point in his career, Hughes is a guy that has had some isolated spurts of strong production (e.g., first half of 2010, and second half of 2009), sandwiched by extended periods of subpar results and injuries. This is a fact. Yes, Hughes has potential, but he has been quite inconsistent since he came up. It isn’t clear to me that he even has two pitches on a consistent basis, let alone four–the curve, the changeup, the cutter, and even his fastball are all a bit spotty. Everything worked for him the other night. We get that. The question is how will he do on the other nights when everything isn’t working for him? I, for one, would like to see some more consistency from him, before I start gushing about his so-called 95-mph fastball. And that aint no distortion.

    ************

    Of course you want to see consistency and he will have to show that. He is only 25 years old. He has had a couple of injuries that were setbacks, but he does not seem to be injury prone and shoulder inflammation albeit mild certainly accounts for the velocity drop off which seemed to have been temporary. The games he threw in Texas and against Boston were Halladay like. That talent doesn’t grow on trees, especially home grown and cost-controlled.

  223. pat August 5th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    From the poker pro quoted in the Star article……….

    DanBilzerian They completely made up sh*t & quoted me saying it im suing them

    DanBilzerian Star magazine even offered my brother money to lie about seeing Arod at a home game, after he told them he had not. They are such scum.

  224. jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    waka flocka August 5th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Burnett would stink in the bullpen because of his inconsistency and trading him is almost impossible. you just have to cross your fingers and hope the next two years are like this one. he really hasn’t pitched that bad (minus the atrocity

    =================================================

    Over the next two years spots in the Yankee rotation are going to be very valuable. We are going to be introducing youngsters like Manny Banuelos, Adam Warren and Dellin Betances. Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova are appear like they are deserving of spots in the rotation. New pitching coach Larry Rothschild seems capable of helping young pitchers mature quickly. I simply don’t think that we can afford to let AJ Burnett consume a spot of the starting rotation if he continues to pitch as he has.

  225. bruceb August 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    I’d like to propose an equitable trade to the Mutts:

    Burnett for Gee. The Mets get a solid veteran with upside in the National League, while the Yankees take their chances with a younger unproven NL East stud

    Like the Mets have $16.5 million a year knocking around for a sub .500 pitcher? They’ve already been through that scenario with Ollie Perez. The only way the Yanks are getting shot of AJ before 2013 is if they are willing to eat virtually all his salary.

  226. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Isn’t Kemp a free agent next year ? And would the Yankees be interested ?

  227. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    They overpaid because those were the market conditions at the time, and the Yankees were desperate for pitching, not a good combo to negotiate….

  228. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Jason Bay? Pass. Plus, he’s not cute enough to be a Yankee. ;)

  229. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    pat August 5th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
    From the poker pro quoted in the Star article???.

    DanBilzerian They completely made up sh*t & quoted me saying it im suing them

    DanBilzerian Star magazine even offered my brother money to lie about seeing Arod at a home game, after he told them he had not. They are such scum.

    ************************

    Why does this not surprise me at all?

  230. luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Got to go, see ya at game time i hope

  231. rl1856 August 5th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    The Red Sux have used the Yankee hitters for target practice. The Yankees finally retaliated against Cleveland after allowing the Sux to sweep them. They did nothing against the Sux. Right now the Sux think they “own” us. This has to stop. I would like to see the first pitch to Agon high and tight. The 2nd pitch in the dirt and directly at his feet. A message needs to be sent that the Yankees will not accept being pushed around. Until the Yankees push back nothing will change.

    We take 2 of 3, but I would love a sweep.

    I understand the politics around AJ. However, if Hughes and Nova continue to pitch well and AJ continues to barely keep us in games then AJ should be the one pitching for his job. If the PS were to start now my 4 would be CC-Colon-Nova-Hughes. No AJ except in a mop up role. Unfortunately, we bought a falling knife when we signed AJ. We had 1 year of good/great pitching then age related falloff set in. Bottom line he is still evolving from a power to a finesse pitcher. Some never do make the change, some take awhile. Hopefully (for us), he figures it out.

  232. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    They overpaid because those were the market conditions at the time, and the Yankees were desperate for pitching, not a good combo to negotiate….
    ===============

    Good point. Moreover, AJ’s role in the 2009 championship season shouldn’t be forgotten.

  233. Jeremy August 5th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    And why would the Mutts take a .500 overpaid pitcher and give away a young cost control effective starter ?

    Maybe when the Wilpons had money and Omar Minaya was around. But those days are over.

  234. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    rl1856 August 5th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    The Red Sux have used the Yankee hitters for target practice. The Yankees finally retaliated against Cleveland after allowing the Sux to sweep them. They did nothing against the Sux. Right now the Sux think they “own” us. This has to stop. I would like to see the first pitch to Agon high and tight. The 2nd pitch in the dirt and directly at his feet. A message needs to be sent that the Yankees will not accept being pushed around. Until the Yankees push back nothing will change.

    We take 2 of 3, but I would love a sweep.
    =============

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Colon play the chin music for AGon in his first AB. As long as he doesn’t give him anythng to hit.

  235. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    By the way – assuming long term extensions aren’t agreed to between now and then, the winter after the 2012 season is shaping up to be a Free Agent Frenzy:

    Hitters:
    Miguel Montero (29)
    Howie Kendrick (29)
    David Wright (30) – Wright has a $16 mil club option that I don’t see getting picked up
    Josh Hamilton (32)
    Delmon Young (27)
    Matt Kemp (28)
    Carlos Quentin (30)

    Pitchers:
    Scott Baker (31)
    Matt Cain (28)
    John Danks (28)
    Zach Greinke (28)
    Cole Hamels (29)
    Francisco Liriano (29)
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Ervin Santana (30)
    Joe Saunders (31)
    Jared Weaver (30)

    (Complete list here: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html)

    Now obviously some of those guys are prime extension candidates – but a lot of teams have multiple FA’s and so they’re going to have to make tough choices. For example – can the Angels really keep Weaver, Kendrick, Santana and Aybar? I highly doubt it – meaning they’re probably going to try to trade one or more of them within the next year to get something for them. Frankly, I would love to have Howie Kendrick in pinstripes – move him to LF full time and just let him hit.

    And when I look at that pitching list – if I’m Cashman, there’s no way I put my eggs in the CJ Wilson basket when I can get by for a year and hope that between my own prospects and this crop of young FA starters I can really have a stacked rotation going into the 2013 season.

    I’m not a huge fan of the Yankee development system when it comes to pitchers – but assuming Banuelos or Betances does develop how would you feel about a rotation in 2013 of:

    CC
    Weaver
    Hughes/Nova
    Banuelos/Betances
    Burnett

    I would take my chances with that.

  236. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Oh, I left Andre Ethier (31), the Melkman (28) and BJ Upton (28) off my highlight list.

  237. m August 5th, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    CC/Burnett/Hughes/Nova/veteran

    If colon would agree to a 1-yr deal I do that. Then we still have (in order of development) Noesi, Adams, Banuelos, Betances.

    It’s nice to be the NYY.

  238. jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    They overpaid because those were the market conditions at the time, and the Yankees were desperate for pitching, not a good combo to negotiate….
    ===============

    Good point. Moreover, AJ’s role in the 2009 championship season shouldn’t be forgotten.

    ————————————————————————————-

    Moments like that have been too far and few since 2009. We can be faithful to guys like Posada, Jeter and Mo because they have had big games for us numerous time over the last 12-15 years. AJ was a contributor to the 2009 team and has been well paid for it. We don’t have to be overly faithful to him.

    By the way, If the Yankees decide to keep AJ in the rotation and his pitching continues to suck, then you can count on the fact that the fans at the stadium will ‘eat him alive’ eventually. His role as “pieman” won’t save him when the fans turn on him. I don’t think anyone wants to see him go through such a lousy situation.

  239. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    jpb173 August 5th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    luis August 5th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
    Melkmanisinhotlanta August 5th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    They overpaid because those were the market conditions at the time, and the Yankees were desperate for pitching, not a good combo to negotiate….
    ===============

    Good point. Moreover, AJ’s role in the 2009 championship season shouldn’t be forgotten.

    ————————————————————————————-

    Moments like that have been too far and few since 2009. We can be faithful to guys like Posada, Jeter and Mo because they have had big games for us numerous time over the last 12-15 years. AJ was a contributor to the 2009 team and has been well paid for it. We don’t have to be overly faithful to him.

    ============
    My point was that while the Yanks overpaid for him, it wasn’t a complete loss. Like I said earlier, if he can continue in his performance as a league-average pitcher and gives us a good effort, then I have no problem with him. I also don’t have a problem with allowing one of the youngsters taking his slot in the rotation from him. I just don’t want to supplant from the rotation Burnett prematurely. IMO, would be premature to take Burnett’s slot in the rotation from him at this point.

    If I had my way, the Yanks would bring back Bartolo and Freddy next year, and trade AJ to some NL central team, eating half his salary in the deal. The rotation next year would be CC, Nova, Hughes, Colon, and Garcia, with Noesi and Betances and Banuelos waiting in the wings.

  240. Irreverent Discourse August 5th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    A source who was cited in a supermarket-tabloid report that said Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez was involved in a high-stakes, illegal poker game in Beverly Hills in 2009 has admitted he wasn’t actually at the game, the New York Daily News reported on Friday.

    The source, who told Star Magazine that A-Rod was present at a game where cocaine reportedly was used, remained adamant that the Yankees slugger did attend an “illegal house game.”

    “I never played with him in a home game, but I know [someone who] witnessed him at one. It was an illegal house game,” the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Daily News.

    Nice source. lol

  241. Chip August 5th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I think AJ will be a Yankee next year and then in the winter of 2012 the Yankees will offer him up (and offer to take some of his money) to a team that loses their own FA and can’t afford to replace him and not expect a ton in return. Maybe a team like the Angels or D’Backs.

  242. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Irreverent Discourse August 5th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    A source who was cited in a supermarket-tabloid report that said Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez was involved in a high-stakes, illegal poker game in Beverly Hills in 2009 has admitted he wasn’t actually at the game, the New York Daily News reported on Friday.

    The source, who told Star Magazine that A-Rod was present at a game where cocaine reportedly was used, remained adamant that the Yankees slugger did attend an “illegal house game.”

    “I never played with him in a home game, but I know [someone who] witnessed him at one. It was an illegal house game,” the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Daily News.

    Nice source. lol
    ====

    “Anonymous source”… What a load of crap.

  243. Yogi Mantle August 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I know someone who has a brother, who has a girlfriend who has a friend who saw ARod at a game. :roll:

    It gets a bit out there doesn’t it?

  244. pat August 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Amazing what guys will try to get an edge. From SI via Tom Verducci………..

    “Baseball sent a warning to its major and minor league players last week that may sound odd, if not comical, but is a sign of these drug-testing times: stop ingesting deer antler spray…..

    Deer antlers? Yes, chemists have figured out that the velvet from immature deer antlers includes insulin-like growth factor, or IGF-1, which mediates the level of human growth hormone in the body, and is also banned by MLB and the World Anti-Doping Agency, among others, for its muscle-building and fat-cutting effects……….

  245. pat August 5th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    and a first hand account of it’s effectiveness…..

    CJNitkowski Deer antler spray in PED news today Tried it early 00′s as part of a homeopathic HGH spray. Never felt any + effect.

  246. m August 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    pat,

    First thing I thought of was Farnsy playing Big Game Hunter in the Texas clubhouse. :)

    Mate Papi is all gwouchy because the deer antlers upset his tummy?

  247. blake August 5th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Chip,

    I think if the Yankees feel like AJ is no longer one of their 5 best starters this winter then they may try to eat some salary and trade him before ST…..JMO. If they could deal him to somebody and eat around 20 million then they’d save 13 million dollars total and insert someone as good or better with upside into the rotation in his place.

  248. m August 5th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    *Maybe. Though I’m sure Francona thinks he’s a good mate. :?

  249. Jerkface August 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    You mean baseball players will do anything to get an edge even if there is no basis for it improving performance? shocking!

  250. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Yogi Mantle August 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    I know someone who has a brother, who has a girlfriend who has a friend who saw ARod at a game.

    *****************************

    Um, he’s sick. My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

  251. Jerkface August 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Legalize it!

  252. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Jerkface August 5th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    You mean baseball players will do anything to get an edge even if there is no basis for it improving performance? shocking!
    =======

    Shocking? No, but magnetic perhaps. Remember Irabu with his magnets under his shirt?

  253. 108 stitches August 5th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Is there a smaller visitor’s clubhouse in all of the major leagues than the tiny one in Boston ? Many have said that plenty of minor league venues have better accomodations than at the Green Sardine Can.
    I’ll bet that big guys like C.C. and Colon have to walk sideways to get to their tiny locker.

  254. pat August 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    m

    Scary thing is what some of these guys might be ingesting thinking it’s the answer.

    Surprised guys haven’t poisoned themselves. Or maybe they have. Yikes.

  255. Ghostwriter August 5th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    pat August 5th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    m

    Scary thing is what some of these guys might be ingesting thinking it’s the answer.

    Surprised guys haven’t poisoned themselves. Or maybe they have. Yikes.
    ==

    Lyle Alzado?

  256. blake August 5th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    so that’s why the Rangers keep doing that Antlers sign…..see they had the inside track last year and that’s why they won :(

  257. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Deer antlers? Yes, chemists have figured out that the velvet from immature deer antlers includes insulin-like growth factor, or IGF-1, which mediates the level of human growth hormone in the body, and is also banned by MLB and the World Anti-Doping Agency, among others, for its muscle-building and fat-cutting effects???.

    Deer antlers, on average, grow about an inch a month during the spring, summer and fall before shedding them in the late winter every year. It should not come as surprise that there is some decent stuff going on inside the velvet during the growth that could be synthesized into something useful to baseball players.

  258. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I think it’s terrible that they’re harvesting all these young, delicious, deer for the nutrients existing in the velvet of their antlers (it’s the velvet, not the antler, which is just bone) before they have the opportunity to end up on my plate in November. :(

  259. West Coast Yankee Fan August 5th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    I always root for the deer anyway. Not that they have much of a chance to avoid a big tough man with a high powered rifle.

  260. Erin August 5th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    New Post w/lineup and A-Rod update

    :arrow:

  261. Howard August 5th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    I always root for the deer anyway. Not that they have much of a chance to avoid a big tough man with a high powered rifle.

    ________________________

    I’ve actually never rifle hunted for just this reason. I use a 1976 Fred Bear Recurve bow, in combination with cedar arrows. I’ve never harvested anything with a gun. The deer has the exact same chances as I do, since I must get withing about 25yds of one.
    But, I get your argument for 250yd rifle shots. Not much sport in it.

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