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Pregame notes: “Right now I’m sitting on the bench”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Aug 07, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the short version of Jorge Posada’s pregeame conversation with Joe Girardi.

“He said he was going to put the best lineup on the field, and he doesn’t know when I’m going to DH again,” Posada said. “So right now I’m sitting on the bench… I’m not happy about it, but right now I can’t do nothing about it. I put myself in this situation.”

That’s the current status of Posada’s steadily diminishing role with the Yankees. He lost the catching job this winter, became a bottom-of-the-order hitter by May, became a platoon player by mid-season, and now he’s on the bench with a .230/.309/.372 slash line. For four months, Girardi stuck with Posada in some regular capacity.

“Chavy came back,” Girardi said. “And Chavy started swinging the bat well. And Nuney’s been playing well. It’s just a chance to get them both in there was kind of the determining factor.”

Girardi kept saying that the Yankees are going to “try some different things,” but asked flat out if Posada is no longer in the mix to be a regular designed hitter, Girardi said, “correct.” At-bats could be even harder to find when Alex Rodriguez comes back, but Girardi said Posada’s roster spot is safe. He doesn’t anticipate losing Posada to open a spot for Rodriguez, and he believes the team can afford to carry a limited DH-type on an already thin bench.

“Jorge has a lot of pride and respect for what he’s done,” Girardi said. “You could see the disappointment and understand that, but at this time I felt we had to do what I did today.”

Here’s Girardi speaking a lot about the Posada situation.

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• Girardi it’s “very feasible” that Rodriguez could begin a rehab assignment on Friday, and should line him up for a return to the team during the next road trip. “Today, he did his tee and toss, he took regular BP and he took ground balls where he moved a little bit,” Girardi said. “He’s starting to do things that would get you to the point where he’s getting closer to a game. The last thing to come would be the sprinting and running the bases, and he’s still going to have to do that before he gets into a game.”

• Girardi did not dismiss the idea of calling up Jesus Montero to get some DH at-bats, but it sounds like he would be hesitant to carry Montero as the team’s backup catcher. “Bringing up someone who’s 21 and trying to learn a new staff in the middle of a season is not easy to do,” Girardi said. “That’s more of a concern about bringing in a new catcher than necessarily, is he ready to catch at this level? And I don’t care if he’s a veteran. This is the time of year you want your pitchers familiar with your catchers, and vice versa.”

• The Yankees still don’t have a pitcher lined up for Thursday’s game. Girardi said they’re planning to give CC Sabathia an extra day, meaning he’ll likely start Friday against Tampa Bay. Thursday’s starter would be either Ivan Nova or Bartolo Colon.

• Phil Hughes is available as a reliever tonight, but Girardi said his bullpen is pretty well rested and Hughes would probably be used only in extra-innings or if Freddy Garcia had to be pulled after only an inning or two.

• It’s no longer raining in Boston, but the clouds are rolling in and the sky looks really threatening. The radar’s not great. Could be in for a long night.

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Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
David Ortiz DH
Carl Crawford LF
Josh Reddick RF
Jason Varitek C
Marco Scutaro SS

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69 Responses to “Pregame notes: “Right now I’m sitting on the bench””

  1. rr212 August 7th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    “right now i’m sitting on the bench”
    —–
    Right where you should be. Love ya Po, but ya gotta go. Nah, just kidding, but he can’t be the everday DH w/ the numbers he’s been putting up. When is the last time he hit a homerun?

  2. hardwired7 August 7th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    so Georgy gives way to Chavy and Nuney.

    got it.

  3. Crawdaddy August 7th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    We’ll see Montero on September 1st!

  4. mainesoxfan August 7th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    I was at last year’s season opener when Po bent one around Pesky’s Pole. Never liked him, but a terrific offensive presense. I guess we’re all getting older….

  5. joeman August 7th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I for one think Martin is a top 10 hitting catcher in baseball this year

  6. fantasygame101 August 7th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Chavez and Nunez, make your manager proud by hitting.

  7. CB August 7th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    The Yankees are the most storied sports franchise in America.

    Every Yankee dynasty has been anchored around a great hitting catcher.

    Posada was the man who carried that torch for the past 20 years and did so with great dignity.

    He’s going to be sorely missed when he’s gone. The hard part right now is that he’s already missed, the presence in the attack and competitive advantage he gave them diminished.

    Russell Martin has had a nice season in certain respects for the Yankees. He’s not even remotely close to producing the value that Posada did year in and out. And that’s a central reason why this offense isn’t as dangerous as it once was in terms of ways it can beat the opposition. They no longer have the enormous positional advantage that they came to depend on from the catcher’s position which Posada was providing as recently as 2009. That’s not a knock on Martin. It’s just what’s inevitable when a player follows a legend.

    Jorge Posada is a Hall of Fame catcher. He easily meets the standard well established for enshrinement at that position.

    If people can’t see that and if they persist in denigrating him in what’s likely the last year of his career – it’s only because they’ve taken for granted the scope of his accomplishment on a team that has been filled with stars since he first started playing.

    In so many ways Jorge Posada encapsulates the history of this franchise and what’s made them so great for so long.

    And it’s just my guess – but until they can find another catcher who can give them at least something along the lines of what Posada did, we aren’t going to see another dynasty from the Yankees.

  8. tomingeorgia August 7th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    mainesoxfan,
    It’s a sign of respect to Posada that you never liked him. He hurt you too many times.

  9. LGY August 7th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “Bringing up someone who’s 21 and trying to learn a new staff in the middle of a season is not easy to do,” Girardi said. “That’s more of a concern about bringing in a new catcher than necessarily, is he ready to catch at this level? And I don’t care if he’s a veteran. This is the time of year you want your pitchers familiar with your catchers, and vice versa.”

    ———————-

    Well gee Joe. Maybe you should have thought about that a few months ago instead of waiting until Martin had completely fallen off a cliff to consider Montero.

  10. LGY August 7th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    And it’s just my guess – but until they can find another catcher who can give them at least something along the lines of what Posada did, we aren’t going to see another dynasty from the Yankees.

    ————————-

    Free Montero!!

  11. jonathan p August 7th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    GREAT POINT LGY
    montero should have been brought up a long time ago. It is quite honestly an embarrassment that posada is our DH and cervelli is the backup.

    FREE JESUS

  12. Bx is Burning August 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Hear hear, CB (and Randy on the last thread).

    Joeman – Don’t know what criteria you’re applying, but Martin’s has 299 ABs this year, and there’s about 15 catchers with 250 or more ABs hitting for higher average (including Po).

  13. randy l. August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “Well gee Joe. Maybe you should have thought about that a few months ago instead of waiting until Martin had completely fallen off a cliff to consider Montero.”

    lgy-

    exactly what i was thinking. if it was a prerequisite to have montero get used to the staff, then they should have brought him up months ago.

    montero can still help as a hitter and emergency catcher to give flexibility to the roster.
    they really need to see if this kid can hit at the mlb level.

  14. blake August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    CB,

    Well said

  15. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Tell you one thing, I’d rather go to war with a 40 year old Posada than some of the people in here. Hard to believe they, with their foul-mouthed internet bullying and not even slightly constructive criticism, have any idea what Posada has brought to this Yankee team from the catching position. The disrespect is just mind boggling. We all want what is best for the team, but some of you people have no idea how to conduct yourselves in a public forum.

    As for Montero… sounds like we have intentionally not let him catch, so now Girardi can hide behind Montero can’t come in at the end of a season and catch. Well… you should have integrated him sooner. Not sure why we can afford NOT to have his kind of bat on this team. Especially with light hitting from too many positions: LF, C, and DH. Just plain dumb.

  16. LGY August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Did Pedroia just say he doesn’t really stretch before games because he doesn’t have much muscle in his body and if he stretches he might pull something??

  17. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    and at BUC

  18. BTX August 7th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    “Well gee Joe. Maybe you should have thought about that a few months ago instead of waiting until Martin had completely fallen off a cliff to consider Montero.”

    That probably was the plan before Posada threw the hissy fit and bought himself another 3 months as the starter.

    But the team is 10 games clear of a playoff spot. If there was ever a perfect opportunity to integrate a young player into a pennant race, it is this year. If they didn’t think of Montero as a realistic option to upgrade the backup C/C/DH, then they should have gotten someone at the deadline that would have. And relying on Glass Chavez is not the answer.

  19. tomingeorgia August 7th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    ESPN off to its usual BS sox hagiography.

  20. blake August 7th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    And I agree that they need to get Montero on this team soon….Im just not sure at home freshly after benchibg Jorge is the best time. Would be a big story and a lot of pressure on him…..on the road at KC and Minnesota seems perfect.

  21. Yank 97 August 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Told by #PWKOTS that the Yankees for now will stick with the “status quo” meaning Montero staying in the minors.

  22. mainesoxfan August 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    tomingeorgia August 7th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
    ————-

    No doubt about it Tom. I’ve never researched Po’s performance against the Sox, but he always seemed to deliver.

  23. blake August 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    I like Pedroia…..he could play on my team anytime…..I.can’t stand him but I like him :)

  24. randy l. August 7th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “Not sure why we can afford NOT to have his kind of bat on this team. Especially with light hitting from too many positions: LF, C, and DH. Just plain dumb.”

    yankeefeminista-

    i agree. i like girardi, but sometimes managers like the kind of player they were. they want to win with the kind of guy they were to validate who they were.

    i like the guy girardi was, but i like the kind of player montero is way more.

    cervelli is just a back up and despite being a good one, trying to give him too much playing time just exposes him.

  25. CB August 7th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    I’ve watched Montero play quite a bit this season. It’s through the sometimes terrible milb.tv feed – but I’ve seen his at bats.

    I have not been convinced that he should have been called up months ago.

    Pitchers started handling him differently this season in AAA and he had some difficulty adjusting back.

    But he’s done that now. Now he’s ready and should be called up. But it wasn’t this compelling issue for him to be up before.

    And I hope he can provide the team what Posada has for so many years behind the plate.

    It still may take some time for him to be called up though. Orchestrating Posada stepping aside and Montero being brought up is one of those difficult situations that has to be managed with an older team.

  26. Yank 97 August 7th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    AndrewMarchand The Yankees think that Posada can’t hit, field or run. They don’t use pinch-hitters. He is a great Yankee, but has no value.

    ———-

    Kind of harsh, but is 100% true. What role does Posada have now? Back up DH vs. RHP? Back up (or back up to the back up if they consider Chavez at 1st) 1B?

    Then again, when Chavez inevitably goes down again, Posada becomes a factor again.

  27. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 7th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    “I like Pedroia…..he could play on my team anytime…..I.can’t stand him but I like him”

    blake, your Yankee fan card has been revoked. :P

    I can’t stand the Hobbit with that stupid beard. The only BOS player that looks worse is Pukelis. If either them were to ever become Yankees, I might have to jump off of the Brooklyn Bridge.

  28. Pat M. August 7th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    ESPN BoSox Love feast going on tonight…….

  29. Tarheel In NYC August 7th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “Tell you one thing, I’d rather go to war with a 40 year old Posada than some of the people in here. Hard to believe they, with their foul-mouthed internet bullying and not even slightly constructive criticism, have any idea what Posada has brought to this Yankee team from the catching position. The disrespect is just mind boggling. We all want what is best for the team, but some of you people have no idea how to conduct yourselves in a public forum.”

    ================================================================

    +1,000,000

  30. joeman August 7th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    # Bx is Burning August 7th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Hear hear, CB (and Randy on the last thread).

    Joeman – Don’t know what criteria you’re applying, but Martin’s has 299 ABs this year, and there’s about 15 catchers with 250 or more ABs hitting for higher average (including Po).
    ————————————————–
    whenever I have a stat question I go to my fantasy league stats & they say Martin is 8th in the league in HR’s & 8th in the league in RBI’s & 8th in the league for scoring as a catcher….

    LOL!!!

  31. CB August 7th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    “i like girardi, but sometimes managers like the kind of player they were. they want to win with the kind of guy they were to validate who they were.

    i like the guy girardi was, but i like the kind of player montero is way more.”

    I’m a little concerned that this is going to make the Yankees rely on Russell Martin in the near term future more than they should be.

  32. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 7th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    “AndrewMarchand The Yankees think that Posada can’t hit, field or run. They don’t use pinch-hitters. He is a great Yankee, but has no value.”

    Man, I seriously hope Jorge doesn’t follow this guy on Twitter. That is just brutal.

  33. Pat M. August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Well at least Bobby V. is in the booth to kind of balance the bs tonight……..

  34. Villa Nova-Ya August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Just saw the news about Jorge.

    I’m sad.

    That’s all I can say about it.

    Randy l, yankeefeminista, -

    Question: What about if they brought up Montero and only had him catch one of the pitchers (or two)? The he would not have to learn the entire staff. He’d have to learn the bullpen, I guess, but I wonder does he really have to learn the entire staff?

    Plus, he must have some idea from spring training.

    I understand the hesitation and I really always have – I understand others want Montero here now. But there must be a compromise position?

  35. joeman August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    # Pat M. August 7th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    ESPN BoSox Love feast going on tonight…….
    —————————————-
    that has become a habit with them

  36. MTU August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Pat M.-

    That’s why my TV stays on Mute tonite.

    If I wanted to gag I’d just stick my fingers down my throat instead.

    ;)

  37. tomingeorgia August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    blake,
    Pedroia is a major pain in the ass, but I agree. I have the same feeling about Chipper Jones. I detest him, but would be happy to vote him into the HOF. Problem is, neither of them play for us.

  38. DaveD August 7th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Girardi doesn’t make roster decisions unilaterally, especially when it involves 40 man maneuvering, optioning player, releasing players, etc. which would have had to happen if Montero were to be brought up here

    Things like these are organizational decisions. As it should be when dealing with the top organizational prospect.

  39. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    CB, that is what the BUC role is for though. Montero surely can fill that role plus get some DH time. Cervelli has no business being on this team going forward except to be CC’s caddy, and if Cervelli plays in the playoffs b/c of that than we are further diminishing our offense.

  40. Villa Nova-Ya August 7th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Not going to watch on ESPN. I have no stomach for it.

    Anyway, signing off. Go Yankees!

  41. MTU August 7th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    No matter which way it goes tonite just remember that it’s only one game.

    Later.

  42. lil m August 7th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Re-post:

    Randy: Tell it. Even a semi-clueless fan like yours truly knows Jorge gave this team a huge advantage at catcher as a switch-hitter with discipline, power and amazing durability. He is one of the great Yankees of the dynasty run, somewhat underrated and at times taken for granted. And he is a big-time leader in the clubhouse along with the Captain, widely respected on the Yankees and around baseball. I’m looking forward to seeing him come up big in October. I suspect Jorge Posada will not be fully appreciated by Yankee fans until after he’s gone, and I’m glad that time has not yet come.

  43. Nick in SF August 7th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you. God damn you all to hell!

  44. TD213 August 7th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Cash said he isn’t going to bring up Montero unless he plays everyday. He doesn’t want to make him a BUC – as Girardi said, it is difficult to ask a rookie, let alone a defensively challenged one to learn the pitchers/hitters/signs/moves etc. during the stretch run. And he probably doesn’t want to turn him into an everyday DH when he can be getting catching reps in AAA and a Chavez/Jones platoon would work fine.

  45. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Randy, agree with all you said.

    Tarheel :)

    *****
    Yank 97 August 7th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
    Ledger_Yankees Told by #PWKOTS that the Yankees for now will stick with the “status quo” meaning Montero staying in the minors.

    _____________
    Unfortunately, there was almost too much of the Montero’s call up is imminent leakage not to suspect there was some kind of quelling of the masses spin going on. The treatment of Montero makes me again worry that Montero is just a trade chip. We continue to underrate offense. Especially that of Montero.

  46. CB August 7th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    “Montero surely can fill that role plus get some DH time. ”

    He absolutely should be doing that now. I would call him up shortly.

    But from what I saw he was not ready to do that earlier this season.

    The BUC/ part time DH role is not a role intended to develop young players.

    Better than Cervelli is not enough of a criteria to interrupt a players development for marginal gain.

    And believe me – I’ve followed Montero’s career since he was 16. The day he comes up and starts to play on this team is something I’ve looked forward to for a long time.

  47. Bx is Burning August 7th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Joeman- your boys are right on both counts. :)

    Nick- did you see “Rise” or are you having a Charlton flashback?

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue August 7th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    “AndrewMarchand The Yankees think that Posada can’t hit, field or run. They don’t use pinch-hitters. He is a great Yankee, but has no value.”

    Man, I seriously hope Jorge doesn’t follow this guy on Twitter. That is just brutal.

    ***********

    It’s true. Everyone loves Jorge and what he has done but those days are gone. This is a professional team that wants to win. Period.

  49. joeman August 7th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Tidbit..I Kennedy got his 14 W today & has pitched into the 7 inning 13 times this year…Rotoworld

  50. TD213 August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Cashman compared Martin to Thurman Munson… also said over the winter that he tried to get him from LA for years.

  51. Joe from Long Island August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Good evening, Yankees fans –

    As Jorge said, “I put myself in this situation.”

    It’s age. It happens to everybody. Jorge has had a HOF career, he really has, and as CB pointed out, the Yanks may well have not won all those playoff games without him.

    But, the time comes when it all ends. Unfortunately, it will not end on a high note, as with some like Mike Mussina. Jorge is not going out hitting .300, with 25 dingers and 90-100 RBI. He’s going out like this, due in no small part because of all the wear and tear to catching for, what, 16 years in the bigs.

    And I don’t think the Yanks are exactly casting him aside. By keeping him on the roster, they are in effect sacrificing a roster spot, and going into games a player short. Jorge ain’t catching again, and he’s not goinig to be used as a pinch-runner. Joe Girardi is handling a very difficult situtation as well as anyone can, IMO. I hate to think it, but it’s theoretically possible that by keeping Jorge on the bench, they may sacrifice post season performance.

    I really hope he has a late season rennaissance, and gets a big hit or three. But, unfortunately, I am not hopeful. I truly hope that I am wrong, for Jorge and for the Yankees.

  52. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 7th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I can only imagine how things will be when Jeter takes that journey towards the end.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    It doesn’t matter what ESPN says if we torch Beckett. Hint. Hint.

  54. Nick in SF August 7th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I just saw ‘Rise’.

    Spoiler Alert: not every ape is our friend.

  55. Joe from Long Island August 7th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I refuse to see that Ape movie.

    If I want bad fantasy, I’ll watch NESPN.

  56. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Martin is no Thurmon Munson. Cash wishing it ain’t going to make it so.

  57. Bx is Burning August 7th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Damn dirty ape(s)!

  58. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    *Thurman*

  59. m August 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Pretty sad. And very swift.

    I think he could have worded it differently. Put lipstick on a pig so to speak.

    Hopefully Jorge will come through in a big spot. Go out on top!

  60. Joe from Long Island August 7th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    yankeefeminista – when did Cash say that?

  61. ac1 August 7th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    3 things:
    1. Fenway is NOT america’s most loved ballpark
    2. Fenway sells out because there are 35,000 seats there, not 50K like YS.
    3. If the Sox are scoring at a crazy pace, so are the yankees, since there is a 10-15 run difference.

  62. Captain Clutch August 7th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    The Yankees obviously don’t think Montero is as ready for the majors as they try to make you believe in the media. When your back up catcher is hitting better than your everyday catcher and DH and your top prospect isn’t up here something isn’t right. If they were so concerned with him catching the pitchers then why wasn’t he up here a month ago to get used to these guys? I am sure he would have no problem catching Colon and CC, those guys are pretty easy especially Colon. I thought the excuse was because they couldn’t take playing time away from Posada but now he still isn’t coming up. Girardi is obviously obsessed with Martin and with the way that he has been hitting that’s a very bad thing.

  63. mainesoxfan August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I totally understand Yankee fan’s interest in getting Montero up ASAP – Ryan Lavarnway is a similar prospect for the RS (although 2 + years older and not nearly as hearalded) – The RS also don’t have an obvious spot available at DH. Having said that, I can appreciate Cashman’s interest in bringing Montero up as a catcher and not a DH.

  64. yankeefeminista August 7th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Joe, it was TD213′s quote, but I also recall Cash saying as much.
    *******
    “The BUC/ part time DH role is not a role intended to develop young players.”

    CB, I understand the need to have Montero catch every day as far as aiding his development. However, as he has improved, I still think he could have caught 2 or 3 days a week on the big club, and DH’d as well, had the Yankees chosen to integrate him sooner than later.

    Villa, my approach with Montero for this year going forward would have been the above, but we are running out of time.

  65. RMS August 7th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Martin is no Thurmon Munson. Cash wishing it ain’t going to make it so.

    ——————————————————————
    Well said.

  66. randy l. August 7th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    “I’m a little concerned that this is going to make the Yankees rely on Russell Martin in the near term future more than they should be.”

    cb-

    i can’t figure out what the yankees are doing . martin can’t play as much as he did earlier and still be good and cervelli gets exposed if he plays too much.

    it seemed a natural to get montero into the mix, but now girardi says it’s too late this year to learn the staff. it may take an injury to have the yankees pick a direction. it’s like they are making a non decision with montero rather than being decisive with him.

  67. John in Ohio August 7th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Can’t wait for Jesus to be called up. Free loaves and hot dogs for everyone in the park, and no more rain outs. Oh, wait….

  68. beedogs August 7th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Why the hell doesn’t MLB fine Beckett?

    He’s taking, on average, 40 seconds between pitches.

  69. Asd August 8th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your NY Yankees.


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