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Yankees winning with Rodriguez mending

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 09, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let me preface this by saying the Yankees are clearly a better team with Alex Rodriguez. The intention here is not spark that sort of ridiculous argument. That said…

Rodriguez last played on July 7.

Through July 7: The Yankees went 51-35 (.593 winning percentage) and averaged 5.22 runs per game.

Since July 7: The Yankees have gone 18-9 (.667 winning percentage) and average 5.70 runs per game.

Again, the point here is not to suggest that the Yankees are better without their third baseman, only to point out that their hitters have done a remarkable job making up for his absence.

“It’s been a lot of fun, that’s for sure,” Eric Chavez said. “It’s been a lot of fun to watch. I’ve played on some pretty good offensive teams early with the A’s, and I’ve never seen anything like it. If you look at the three guys in the middle – Robbie, Granderson and Teixeira – they do so much damage, the rest of us just have to pitch in. What those three guys are doing, it’s pretty miraculous.”

The return of Chavez has helped. It’s also helped that Mark Teixeira has found a little consistency. And that Nick Swisher has been outstanding for two months now. And that Brett Gardner and Derek Jeter have been getting on base. And that Curtis Granderson’s production hasn’t fallen off. And that Eduardo Nunez is becoming productive again.

Of the Yankees 27 games without Rodriguez, only eight were played against teams below league average in team ERA (Toronto and Baltimore). Twelve were played against teams that top five in team ERA (Tampa Bay, Oakland and Seattle).

“It’s been really good, because guys have stepped up,” Joe Girardi said. “As I’ve said, one of the things I’m most proud about this team is how guys have slid in when we’ve had key people go down. Whether it was Derek, Alex, Soriano, Joba or Feliciano, guys have stepped in and done the job. It’s been extremely impressive.”

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284 Responses to “Yankees winning with Rodriguez mending”

  1. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Alex will only add another dimension when he comes back. The Yanks have done a great job without him and credit to Chavez and Nunez has to be given……Nunez has played a big role this year.

  2. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    “Let me preface this by saying the Yankees are clearly a better team with Alex Rodriguez. The intention here is not spark that sort of ridiculous argument. That said…”

    So you don’t think they would be better with Cody Ransom at 3rd ;)

  3. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Anyone else think we haven’t seen the best of what our O is capable of ?

    What it could be like when it’s firing on all cylinders for a sustained period of time.

  4. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    NYY offense with/without A-rod can be a juggernaut or it can be one of the worst in the game, very, very inconsistent. NY features a bandwagon offense where if one guy hits everyone hits.

    I would like to have seen NY give Nunez some reps in the OF just to see what he can do. If passable that would give NY the option to jettison A.Jones as the 4th of and call up Montero as another stick.

  5. Shame Spencer August 9th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    “Anyone else think we haven’t seen the best of what our O is capable of ?”

    Definitely, MTU.

    If we can have the good majority of the line up clicking by the middle of September we’d be scary…

  6. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    MTU,
    When we see that, we’ll be scarier than the Sox, and no pitching staff anywhere in MLB will be safe.

  7. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Shame-

    Good plan.

    Be sure to figure Montero’s contribution.

    ;)

  8. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Tom-

    When I really want to see it most is in October.

    ;)

  9. ron August 9th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I think once arod is back we will make a good run,keeping pressure on the rs.

    Yes they beat up on us but going into the series with them,i believe they were like 5-5 over their last ten,we were,what,like 8-2 & picked up some ground.

    We could easily be up a game or two,maybe more on them & probably should be.

    I also think montero should be brought up now,because why not see if we can add more offense to the catching & dh position.

    We will never know til we try & can you imagine this team with more offense at those 2 positions & arod back.

    I would split montero & chavez at dh.A rh & lh bat.

  10. upstate kate August 9th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    how about in October vs Cliff lee?

  11. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Tom-

    The perfect storm.

    A deadly O.

    Solid SP.

    And a lockdown pen.

    Like it ?

    :)

  12. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Tom-

    I’m gonna conjure that up.

    ;)

  13. Shame Spencer August 9th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    That last series with the Sox could be really big re: the division.

    Arod coming back healthy and well rested is going to be like a shot in the arm for this team down the stretch.

  14. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Kate-

    Rubbing Lee’s nose in it would be the cherry on top of the cake.

    Smug bast*rd.

  15. Shame Spencer August 9th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Also – Did you guys hear Arod/the Yanks were targeting the KC series for his return already? Doesn’t that seem soon?

  16. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    MTU,
    The nice thing bout your “perfect storm” is that it really is feasible!

  17. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    A well rested A-rod is a dangerous A-rod. I hope NYY though gives him at least 4-5 rehab starts at the upper levels to get his timing down though before activating him.

    He’s a guy who seems to generate incredible power only when his timing is in sync.

  18. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Tom-

    I’m sure we’d all like to think so !

    We’re fixin’ to find out.

    :)

  19. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    A-Rod and Montero are the new launch vehicles for NASA.

    :)

  20. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    When Alex returns, are people opposed to Eduardo Nunez at 3b and Alex at DH? In that scenario, Montero really only gets Cervelli’s AB’s. It might make more sense to keep Montero as a regular player in AAA until August 31. If the Yankees are thinking about getting Eduardo Nunez in the everyday lineup, perhaps that’s why Montero is still down there. Otherwise, if you call him up and want him to get regular AB’s at DH, his presence forces a hobbled superstar to 3b where there is a greater risk and his rookie bat replaces the bat of Eduardo Nunez and we know it is solid. The Yankees might be calculating that it would be difficult for Montero to outproduce Nunez by enough of a margin to make it worth yanking him out of Scranton where he’s getting full time work.

  21. ron August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    When the Yankees announced Jorge’s benching, the one name on everyone’s tongue was Jesus Montero. There has been talk of his promotion for weeks, and with Posada on the bench there appears to be a clear opening. There’s a chance that Chavez and Jones are merely a placeholder so that the Yankees don’t have to bring up Montero as Posada’s replacement, which would create additional and unnecessary tension and drama. Bringing him up to replace the Chavez/Jones platoon might be a bit easier for the organization to handle, though they could be losing out on potential production.

    ZiPS projected Montero to produce a .358 wOBA in the 2011 season, a mark greater than any of the current DHs. If we project Montero to get 200 PA the rest of the way — which is in line with Robbie Cano‘s projected remainder — he would produce 7.3 runs above average. That’s nearly double what the platoon would combine to produce. It’s tough, of course, to project a rookie to produce at that kind of level, especially when he hasn’t even produced that well at AAA. But we know what type of talent Montero possesses, and we know he can go on a tear. If he goes on one with the Yanks, he’ll easily be their best DH option the rest of the way.

  22. pat August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Chad swimming against the media tide this morning.

    Scanning the papers this morning, there seems to be a theme of A-Rod circa 2007 is necessary for the Yankees to be successful.

  23. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    everybody wants montero but they have no place to put him. there’s already a non-catcher sitting on the bench and arod is going to need dh time too.

    i heard ed randall say this weekend that he has talked to many scouts about jesus over the past few months and NONE of them think montero can be a mlb catcher. thats not encouraging. i think hes destined to be wearing another mlb uniform by next year.

  24. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    And Banuelos is our new left-handed cruise missile.

    ;)

  25. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    MTU,
    This why I like to morning shift: we all have hope, and no trolls complaining about everything!

  26. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Yea the offense still hasn’t clicked yet all together……hopefully they’ll peak at the right time this year. The funny thing is that everyone sees the Red Sox as some juggernaut of a team…..but yet here are the Yankees…..who have been without Arod, Hughes, Jeter, Soriano, Joba, etc…..for large chunks of the season sitting just a game back. Lot of season left………

  27. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Make that “fewer”.

  28. Mell August 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    That last series with the Sox could be really big re: the division.

    =================================

    Thing to watch there is that the last Sox/Yankees series is the sandwiched between two series with the Rays for the Yankees, while it’s sandwiched between two series with the Orioles for the Red Sox.

  29. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    As much as I’d like to see it I just don’t think Montero is in the cards for a call-up prior to Sept 1 unless either Posada agrees to a phantom injury or Cervelli/Martin go down with a real injury.

    I think NY is genuinely concerned about Montero’s ability to handle catching to the point that they are willing to sacrifice his potential offensive contributions.

    I disagree with NY’s approach but then again they have a hell of a lot more information then me.

  30. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Tom-

    You mean there is another way ?

    :)

  31. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    i still think they will call montero up before sept 1st (like maybe the 29th) so just in case he’s hitting like crazy he will be post-season eligible.

  32. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Montero has the potential to be like a Titan rocket.

    How about we find out ?

  33. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    If they want the division to mean something again they’ll add another WC team and make the 4 WCs play two one game play ins to reach the ALDS……I think that would create a fight for the division again……as it stands now though it really doesn’t matter that much.

    “i heard ed randall say this weekend that he has talked to many scouts about jesus over the past few months and NONE of them think montero can be a mlb catcher.”

    I take anything unnamed scouts say with a lot of salt…….the only opinion on this that matters is the Yankees and whether he stays behind the plate or not will likely have a great deal to do wit just how bad Montero wants to stay and how hard he wants to work to stay.

  34. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    My thinking is if you call up Montero and make him DH, then you force Alex to 3b on that knee and put the offense at greater risk of losing a key bat. And since Nunez can play 3b when Alex DH’s, calling up Montero is taking AB’s away from Eduardo Nunez. Nunez has a solid bat and can steal bases. He has proven that he can perform and excel when given regular playing time. I think he’s a more sure bet than Montero.

  35. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    …i heard ed randall say this weekend that he has talked to many scouts about jesus over the past few months and NONE of them think montero can be a mlb catcher…

    Unless those scouts have names attached to their claims and they say who is paying their salaries their supposed words mean next to nothing. What matters is what NY thinks about Montero not some un-named mythical scout or scouts.

  36. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    i think bringing in martin pretty much snuffed montero’s shot at being the yankees catcher. but it was a great move bc as it turned out, jesus was not ready to catch for the yankees this season.

  37. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    blake, looks like you and I were commenting on the same post at the same time..

  38. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Bret-

    Let’s not bring a knife to a gunfight when we might be able to bring a bazooka.

    It’s a war.

  39. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    I don’t see Montero getting anything more than the traditional cup o coffee in September. The Yanks have never liked throwing young players into high pressure pennant race settings and there’s little if any reason to expect that to change.

    I’m sure the front office would love for Jorge to walk in and retire today. It has to be killing his pride to be in this situation and the final two months will just add more embarrassment.

    Enough whining about the offense. The Yankees are second in MLB in runs scored for cryin’ out loud. And that’s without Alex Rodriguez for more than a month and the worst DH productivity in the game.

  40. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Yankee 21,

    Jinx :)

  41. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Maybe Randall was talking to the same unnamed baseball executive who insisted Selig was furious with Alex over the gambling story and was going to come down hard on him.

  42. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    86-

    It’s not whining it’s greed.

    ;)

  43. Yankee Trader August 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Good morning all-

    Don’t have the players recent stats and BA with RISP. When A-Rod comes back what lineup would maximize scoring opportunities against a lefty, and against a righty?

    I’m going to make the assumption that A-Rod initially might DH a few days a week with Chavez and Nunez playing 3rd, depending on who’s pitching. Also Posada will be riding the bench. Once A-Rod is more full-time at 3B hopefully we’ll see some Monstero, although I suspect it’ll be at DH, unless a catcher goes on DL.

    Thoughts??

  44. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    yankees21 randall didnt name the scouts he talked to but you can’t discount what he says, the guys spends his entire life talking to baseball people constantly is traveling to something like 170 minor league parks this year, and is very hesitant to say a bad word about anyone. if he says the scouts he talks to say jesus cant catch, that carries alot of weight with me. id like to hear the particulars but that is a very declaritive statement from someone who is very plugged into the minors and the scouts network.

  45. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    The only thing that should come down hard on Selig is a very large boulder.

  46. Yankee Trader August 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Let’s not bring a knife to a gunfight when we might be able to bring a bazooka.

    It’s a war.
    —————————————–
    Let’s bring Captain America-Senor Monstero!!!! :)

  47. yankee21 August 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Ys guy, again, my point stands, un-named scouts mean jack s…

    How do we know that Ed Randal didn’t just make it up, what’s his credibility, his track record?

  48. Benny Blanco August 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Even though I know arod’s 30-100 streak is over, how sick would it be if he came back and hit 17 homeruns over the next 7 weeks :)

  49. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    “Enough whining about the offense. ”

    I don’t think folks are so much whining as they are realizing that this team will likely need the offense to be as strong as possible to win it all……..the rotation while solid doesn’t stack up against many of the other playoff teams 1-3 and the offense and pen will have to help mitigate that risk.

  50. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    YT-

    It’s OK with me.

    I’m waiting to find out.

    :)

  51. 108 stitches August 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Alex adds presence in the lineup. If most of the surrounding cast is firing on all cylinders, the inconsistent run production will improve. Lots of infield and DH flexability when he returns.

  52. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Benny,

    Its unlikely but he’s still capable of it if he gets hot.

  53. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    See what I mean ?

    There is cause for optimism.

    :)

  54. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I actually really like the bat of Eduardo Nunez, especially for this lineup. I consider him a contact hitter. He brings an action to the game that balances out this collection of mostly passive, streaky hitters. He can also steal bases. There is some risk with his defense at 3b but that’s what Eric Chavez is for. Late in games, Chavez can PH for Nunez against elite right-handed relief pitchers and then take over at third base.

    Montero might be a monster in the near future, but right now, I’d rather have a rotation of Nunez, Chavez and Alex rather than stick Alex and his knee at 3b, and DH Montero.

    I do think Montero has an outside chance to replace Cervelli on the post season roster, but he needs AB’s and regular playing time up until August 31. He will have to absolutely rake throughout September in the Bronx for that to happen because if Martin goes down in the playoffs, you probably want Cervelli at the other end of the battery.

  55. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Now that I’ve bucked everyone up.

    The rest is up to our team.

    ;)

  56. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    The big leagues is littered with guys that scouts didn’t think could do this or that…..

  57. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    yankees21 i usually disreguard things i hear like that citing unnamed sources, but ed randall has spent decades covering the majors and minors and likely knows as many baseball people as anyone in the country. and he is so soft-spoken and complimentary about everyone that i was shocked to hear him say it, but his knowlege carries alot of weight with me. add to that the fact that i keep hearing and reading one after another scout saying they dont see him being an mlb catcher and i really dont think he’s gonna make it at catcher. plus theres this:

    people keep saying that the yankees think montero can catch, but in fact the Yankees dont even believe he is better than cervelli, or he certainly would have been up by now, and when cervelli was hurt, they passed jesus up for gustavo molina. so the yankees are SAYING they think montero can catch at the mlb level, but their actions say otherwise.

  58. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Blake-

    And the highway is littered with broken dreams.

    Sorry but it just seemed to follow on well with your previous statement.

    Kind of like a Bruce Springsteen song.

  59. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    MTU,
    You didn’t need to buck me up!

  60. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:40 am
    The big leagues is littered with guys that scouts didn’t think could do this or that…..

    …so is k-mart.

  61. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Tom-

    That’s good.

  62. Yankee Trader August 9th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I don’t think Posada will pull a Ken Griffey Jr., and retire, in the last 2 months of a pennant race.

    Sorry gotta go.

    Tough assisnment in Haren tonight. Expecting AJ to live up to his “promise” that he’s going to be better this time out.

  63. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    The Yankees didn’t want Montero to come up and sit….the fact that they have been so persistent with trying to develop his catching skills suggests to me that they still feel he’s got a chance to stay there.

  64. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    “…so is k-mart.”

    Doesn’t change the point…..

  65. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Can someone please provide a link to that Ed Randall quote?

  66. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Blake-

    Weather Montero catches or not he still may have a thunder stick.

  67. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    it was on the radio bret

  68. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Montero is 21 years old…..its not like they are keeping a 26 year old down and I don’t think its that unusual to suggest that a 21 year old kid might not have been ready to handle a big league staff full time……

  69. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Put another way. With Alex at DH, you’re probably going to get more offense out of a combo of Eduardo Nunez/Eric Chavez over Jesus Montero.

    Who would honestly take Jesus Montero over Nunez/Chavez right now?

    You really can’t force Alex to 3b right now.

  70. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Blake-

    The jury has not rendered a verdict.

    ;)

  71. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    MTU,

    He’s got the goods offensively……pitch selection will determine his ceiling. If he learns to swing at the right pitches then the sky is the limit.

  72. blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    “Who would honestly take Jesus Montero over Nunez/Chavez right now?”

    I don’t know the answer to that question……that’s why I think they need to find out before playoff time.

  73. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Bret-

    We have know idea if Jesus is a peashooter or a howitzer.

    Shouldn’t we find out before making pronouncements or comparisons ?

    99% of all people who have seen him think he can hit.

    I am looking forward to finding out.

  74. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I was just kidding about Ed Randall…. I have a lot of respect for him.

    I do think Alex will DH against RHP with Chavez at 3B. Nunez or Andruw Jones will be in the lineup against LHP.

    I wouldn’t rule out Alex getting those 17 HR and 48 RBI to keep the streak going. He need to get within 10 and 30 by Sept 1 to have a realistic shot. If he’s in the lineup Monday the chase begins.

    He’s a very numbers oriented guy — remember how he got 30/100 in ’09…. 2 HR, 7 RBI in season finale’

  75. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Blake-

    If everything goes well with Montero the Yankees had better have taken out that special insurance we talked about.

    Back in a while. The Mops are callin’.

  76. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    hey, im still hoping montero gets promoted before sept 1, i want to see him and i’d like him to be PS eligible just in case.

  77. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    The only way to begin to find out if Montero can hit major league pitching is to let him try.

    ;)

  78. RayVT August 9th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Actually, Montero does not have to be on the 40 man prior to Sept 1, because there is an infielder currently on 40 Man DL that Montero can replace & actually be on the Post Season roster.

  79. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    blake August 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    “Who would honestly take Jesus Montero over Nunez/Chavez right now?”

    I don’t know the answer to that question……that’s why I think they need to find out before playoff time.

    *********

    Even if the Yankees did take Montero over a Nunez/Chavez combo, that would force Alex to 3b. I don’t see that happening.

    When Nunez hit that HR off Beckett, I think he earned full time consideration for 3b. Not just that, but what he did in Jeter’s absence. We don’t have to rehash the numbers, we all know what he can do.

    Against righties, Chavez will play 3b and Alex will DH.

    Against lefties, Nunez will play 3b, Chavez will PH for him and play 3b late and Alex will DH.

    Both Chavez and Nunez make good contact with the ball and force action. The Yankees need those bats in the lineup and they need to preserve the health of Alex Rodriguez at DH.

    The only chance Montero has is to replace Cervelli…but again…he will have to rake offensively throughout September in order for the Yankees to consider putting in a defensive liability rookie catcher in a big playoff game.

    We don’t know for sure…but 1 month in September is plenty enough time to find out.

    So, yeah, free Montero…

    in September.

  80. Ys Guy August 9th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    lets hope that at least we get a victor martinez type out of him and he can dh, maybe spell tex at 1b and be the b/u catcher. if the bat’s as good as advertised, that would work fine.

  81. West Coast Yankee Fan August 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    MTU says:
    August 9, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Blake-

    And the highway is littered with broken dreams. Sorry but it just seemed to follow on well with your previous statement. Kind of like a Bruce Springsteen song.

    ************

    ….broken heroes.

  82. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    edit: Montero will have to rake offensively throughout September in order for the Yankees to consider putting a defensive liability rookie catcher in a position where he might have to catch in an emergency in a huge playoff game (should Martin suffer an injury in the playoffs).

  83. blake August 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    “That would force Alex to 3b. ”

    Considering he plays 3B then I think that’s ok ;) Nunez isn’t a good 3rd baseman really……he has very limited experience there and its not his.natural position. Alex is going to play 3rd most every day when he comes back with some DH days mixed in…..but probably no more than 1 a week.

  84. RayVT August 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Montero could get plenty of ABs over the next couple of months if he comes up now. He could catch 2 days a week & he could DH 2 days a week. Play ARod as DH 5 days a week & 2 games at 3B. Chavez & Nunez could share 5 games at 3B, & Nunez could spell Jeter or Cano once every other week too. If you keep Cervelli, he could spell Montero late in the game if Montero struggles for some reason behind the plate.

  85. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Ys Guy —

    That’s exactly what I expect from Montero… something like 50 g catching, 15 g @ 1B and the rest as a DH.

    If he takes Posada’s roster spot next season the Yanks get a lot younger, stronger, more versatile and save about $ 12.6 M

  86. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Blake,

    Yeah, but the knee.

  87. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    If you follow the Yanks (Cashman’s) history you have to accept the reality that they will NEVER put a rookie catcher behind the plate on a regular basis in a pennant race.

  88. ron August 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Unless montero replaces cervelli,i don’t see him up unless their is an injury because girardi will have a tough time getting ab for jones,chavez,posada,nunez.

    With montero up,posada will never see another ab,so having him on the bench will be akward & if montero replaces cervelli what happens if martin gets hurt??

    The only thing i can see possible is montero replacing cervelli or an injury.

    Jones,chavez,posada,nunez,montero is to many players to get ab.

  89. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    RayVT,

    When Montero catches 2 days/week, he is replacing Cervelli and I’m fine with that but it’s only 2 days/week.

    In the rest of the other games you want to get him in, he is stealing AB’s from a combo of Chavez/Nunez which is excellent offensively and defensively and more proven.

    He’s not getting those AB’s. I just don’t see it.

  90. ron August 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Carrying 3 catchers is a waste of roster space.
    With montero,you lose defense so you have to be sure the offense he gives you is more than what we are getting from our current players.

    Keep in mind,arod is going to be the dh a few more times than he would have if he was healthy.

    The only thing that makes sense is getting rid of one of posada,jones,cervelli so montero can come up.
    I would replace cervelli.

  91. Villa Nova-Ya August 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Red Sox series notwithstanding, Chad’s post kind of points out that there is no urgent need to bring Montero up “toot sweet” and Bret is correct – he just would not be getting enough ABs to warrant bringing him up right now.

  92. RayVT August 9th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I understand, but the Yankees need to know if Nunez can play the OF & Jeter & Cano will need a game off or even a partial game off sometimes as well. I don’t see ARod playing 3B everyday and probably at most playing 3 or 4 games a week there & DH’ing the rest.

    I personally prefer Montero to either Nunez or Chavez & of course Cervelli or A Jones.

  93. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    RayVT,

    Nunez in the OF is an experiment. Montero in place of a Nunez/Chavez-combo is a HUGE experiment.

    2 experiments during a playoff stretch?

    I don’t see it.

    Montero will get his regular reps through August and get the call in September. He will have to rake offensively throughout Sept. if he wants Cervelli’s spot.

    1 month is plenty of time to test his bat.

  94. Vineyard Yankee August 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

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  95. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    ron August 9th, 2011 at 9:23 am
    …. There’s a chance that Chavez and Jones are merely a placeholder so that the Yankees don’t have to bring up Montero as Posada’s replacement, which would create additional and unnecessary tension and drama. Bringing him up to replace the Chavez/Jones platoon might be a bit easier for the organization to handle, though they could be losing out on potential production.
    ////

    I know there’s credit around for this view, but I have to say I just don’t get it. Why the ruse?? Posada has already been effectively dropped, therefore, there are no illusions, not for him, not for the fanbase, not for the team… Posada knows how good Montero is expected to be, and Posada hasn’t even been the catcher for a year now…

    Montero’s ultimate destination (one would hope, & Cashman has insisted) is behind the plate. Why would the Yankees try to put on a show that Montero has to be delayed in replacing Posada as the DH when they can bring him up as a BUC/DH? Posada probably doesn’t care who replaces him, but given Jorge’s appreciation for hitting catchers, since he’s been one of the best, he can probably appreciate the Yankees’ desire to get Montero’s bat going en route to his career as Posada’s true successor, behind the plate, which will happen eventually if the stoops don’t deal him away…

    I just do not understand how Posada gets “spared” by some public that Montero wasn’t really replacing him… they’ve already removed him…don’t get it…

    …BTW, not really impressed by the apparent en masse effort by mysterious “scouts” to discredit Montero behind the plate. I saw him catch at Trenton enough to see he can be credible enough behind the plate without bringing disaster on the NY Yankees, & his lack of athleticism, from the first time I saw him, has and continues to be greatly exaggerated…

    Don’t people get it yet that there are Yankee haters in all kinds of guises and wearing all kinds of professional hats…it’s not just chumps like the groupies at ESPN or blowhards like Schilling & hacks like Gammons & Wally Mathews…people see the word “scout” and they drop their pants and prostrate themselves…scouts have agendas, too, you know…they’re not all these pure scientists working in the labs for the good of, and in the name of, nonpartisan “research”…

  96. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I suspect we will be seeing a great deal of Eduardo Nunez at 3b even when Alex Rodriguez returns. Nunez just has to hold the line defensively. Eric Chavez is nice gold glove insurance for Nunez in the field.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    I don’t see a Nunez OR Montero compulsion… Nunez can play 3B, SS, 2B…I don’t see how he affects Montero or vice versa… Nunez has a really good bat that’s going to get even better..he’s one of those talents that gets better facing ML pitching rather than gets exposed, I’ve a hunch…

    Still, Nunez’ bat not able to share the same shelf as Montero…slugging trumps speed anyhow, especially when you always have the potential to get four bases on one wave of the bat ;)

  98. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Montero’s not forcing Nunez to any position that forces out Jeter or Cano.

    That’s a reach.

  99. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    The point is to give Nunez as much experience at 3b as possible so that the Yankees can keep the option of DH’ing AROD, ensuring that they have his bat throughout.

  100. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 10:40 am

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  101. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    ron, want to say I enjoy your posts. wish you’d come around more often. Good to have more variety rather than the same voices in here all the time, especially thoughtful posts like yours.

    I’m curious, though, why you said they “beat us up” in reference to Boston? Unless you mean the skein of games, rather than the weekend? If so, that’s fairly accurate, but the earlier games are ancient history and we’re not that team we were then.

    On the weekend, we contained them rather well in their park, I’d say. C threw an uncommon stinker, & I don’t buy the media force-fed talking point that goes unexamined (as media talking points beaten to death often do) that CC has a Red Sox “problem”.

    I think what gets lost is how well both Colon and Garcia handled Boston’s lineup, especially at Fenway…bullpen was also very good, except for unfortunate ending there in the third game, which we could easily have won…

  102. RayVT August 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    So true. Plus it would be a benefit if the Yanks could see if Nunez could play the OF as well between now & the end of September. 2b, SS, 3B & OF as well as PR would be a great fit for Nunez. Chavez needs to play enough to keep from getting rusty & not so much that he breaks down. Cervelli doesn’t need to play much at all, but Martin needs some rest if he has a prayer to get healthy enough to perfom in the playoffs. BTW, the Yanks could drop a RP & maintain their effectiveness. Montero needs to be the BU C at least 2 games a week, maybe 3 & use Martin as a defensive replacement some even. Montero could DH when ARod plays 3B or takes a day off.

    The 1st step is to make the playoffs. Next is to win home field. Then it is to be rested enough to win the playoffs.

  103. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Looking forward to watching the Yankees hone their spear to fine point
    just in time for the playoffs.

    (no wisecracks GB).

    :)

  104. austinmac August 9th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    It sure would be nice to see a good game out of Burnett tonight. It is so painful watching him fall behind nearly every hitter and have to groove a 92mph fastball. While he still throws hard, he doesn’t throw hard enough when then know what is coming.

    If the Yankees are considering a six man rotation the next time through, that tells me they are deciding who will be left out. I believe they will put him in the pen if he pitches badly and Hughes and Nova pitch well. That is a lot of ifs, but I suspect that is one consideration.

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan August 9th, 2011 at 10:47 am

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  107. ron August 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Cashman is not going to bring montero up unless it is to replace cervelli or an injury allows it.

    To many players with posada,jones,chavez,nunez & montero can’t replace nunez or chavez because one is a lh bat,one a rh bat & both play positions that montero can’t play.

    I honestly,if i am cashman is trade cervelli for something & bring montero up.

    We can always get another catcher if montero struggles but no way can girardi juggle montero,posada,nunez,jones,chavez unless montero is the bu catcher or someone gets hurt.

    We can also have posada be a coach to montero.

  108. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Villa Nova-Ya August 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
    Red Sox series notwithstanding, Chad’s post kind of points out that there is no urgent need to bring Montero up “toot sweet” and Bret is correct – he just would not be getting enough ABs to warrant bringing him up right now.
    ///

    Fundamentally disagree with this, because Montero in my opinion would not be window dressing for a potent lineup, he’d be a key to making it that much more potent. We have no idea what Alex we’re getting, although any version of Alex will certainly provide a big boost.

    But even if Alex is Alex, Montero added to this group with Alex entrenched can make this lineup insanely good, symbiotically throughout from 1 through 9. I agree with Blake’s earlier post about mitigating against variable starting pitching/and even bullpen.

    To me, that’s not some excess that we should blush at. That’s a strategic piece that can change NYY’s 2011 destiny and put them beyond Boston or Philadelphia the other two anointed teams in MLB.

  109. upstate kate August 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Just throwing this out there. There has been some concern expressed that Montero doesn’t have experience catching the Yankee staff, especially after the disaster that was Pudge. But didn’t Montero catch some of the staff during ST? If he can catch at all, couldn’t he catch most of the guys, excluding AJ? Has he caught Nova in the minors?

  110. DocTodd August 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    The only way Montero gets called up before Sept 1 is if Cervelli gets injured…..

  111. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    A-mac,

    I think AJ to the pen is definitely one consideration. There’s a strong chance that BOTH Nova and Hughes can outpitch him.

    Either AJ turns it around or he’s out.

    I think they want to give Hughes innings and continue to develop him, so they’re leaning towards keeping Hughes in the rotation.

    I think if AJ pitches well, they will really scrutinize Hughes.

    This talk about Yankees officials viewing Nova as their second best pitcher I think is real. That new slider has survived for over a month now. It’s no fluke IMHO.

  112. DocTodd August 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Or if Jorgie retires,very unlikely

  113. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Worst case we see Montero by 9/1.

    I’m hoping for sooner but not counting on it.

    Looking forward to seeing what he can offer.

  114. ron August 9th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock :

    I am reffering about our overall record against us.

    If we won only 2 more games in wich we gave them,we are in 1st place by a game.

    I think we are very even with them.
    They may have a very,very slight edge but i am not sure.

    Cashman has done a wonderfull job in keeping all of our prospects & hitting the jackpot on almost 100 % of the players signed.

    Gardner,robertson are some of the best players at their positions in baseball,nunez has a ton of value,as does noesi & with nova,we might have struck gold.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Cervelli doesn’t need to play much at all, but Martin needs some rest if he has a prayer to get healthy enough to perfom in the playoffs. BTW, the Yanks could drop a RP & maintain their effectiveness. Montero needs to be the BU C at least 2 games a week, maybe 3 & use Martin as a defensive replacement some even. Montero could DH when ARod plays 3B or takes a day off.

    The 1st step is to make the playoffs. Next is to win home field. Then it is to be rested enough to win the playoffs.
    ///

    Right RayVT, Cervelli doesn’t NEED to play…Although C has much more right to ask for a personal C than Burnett ever did, C doesn’t need a personal C. C will be C no matter whose glove is back there. The Martin needing rest thing is critical. His level of play really drops, even defensively, when he’s sore or over worked, as well as bringing nothing to the offense…

    FREE JESUS NOW

  116. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Mac-

    AJ does not profile as a good reliever IMO.

    Lacks control among other things.

    Guy’s a coin toss.

  117. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I like that this thread is almost entirely about making the Yankees better, and how exactly to do it. Roster problems don’t make it easy. That said, somehow, some way, I’d like to see Jesus sooner rather than later.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    ron, basically agree. I think Gardner, though, has a strong but limited skill set that can be greatly enhanced by slugging pieces in the lineup. When we have no slugging, his lack of it, coupled with Martin’s, becomes a drag on the lineup. When Alex is in there, with his power restored, suddenly what Gardner brings becomes a dynamic asset that gives the lineup another dimension. That would only increase, and dramatically, if Alex is popping & Montero becomes integrated with enough lead time to gain some level of comfort…so the lineup can go in one of two directions, I believe…reinforced with power, it will go up & up, eclipsing even Boston’s…I’d also go as far as to say our fate could go either way, & depends on that added power…

  119. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Sept. will bring many reinforcements to the front.

    None more interesting than Montero and Banuelos.

    Let’s see what they can do.

    ;)

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    MTU,

    I’m looking forward, too, but feel like Didi and Gogo…waiting, waiting…

  121. sammiejohnson August 9th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    RayVT August 9th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Actually, Montero does not have to be on the 40 man prior to Sept 1, because there is an infielder currently on 40 Man DL that Montero can replace & actually be on the Post Season roster.

    _____________________________

    That is incorrect. Here is the pertinent rule:

    “To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 25 man active roster, (b) the disabled list, (c) the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team’s 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position (i.e. position player for position player, or pitcher for pitcher), with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.”

    The only one who can replace an injured player for the PS is someone who IS on the 40 man roster before midnight Aug. 31. If Cashman waits until Sept. to put Montero on the 40 man than he will ineligible for the PS no matter what.

    It makes zero sense to wait for Sept.

  122. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    JAP,
    problem is, he never showed up.

  123. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    JAP-

    Patience Signore.

    It’s coming.

    Relish the thought.

    Anticipate the moment.

    Enjoy the wonder.

    :)

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    MTU, It’s a longshot but Betances may also be added, and he would be fascinating…

    Last two starts with an 11-1 GO/FO ratio, throwing 98 & back to throwing enough strikes with his high heat to get pathetic swings & misses on it…Betances is on the 40-man & they do seem to be anally managing his pitchcount (nothing new), so I wonder if they’re saving some bullets to bring him into a BP situation up here at some point for the balance…he is very good against LHB, incidentally…

  125. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    JAP-

    Add one more to the troop list then. The more the better.

    Sound the charge !

    :)

  126. 108 stitches August 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:02 am
    Sept. will bring many reinforcements to the front.

    None more interesting than Montero and Banuelos.

    Let’s see what they can do.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Much could depend on where the team is in the standings. Girardi tends to stick with what he knows and would give the expanded roster callups time when a game is out of hand.
    I’m not in agreement with it but that’s the way he manages.

  127. Keith--FL August 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Sorry Chavez, but this offense is not clutch and we have no .300 hitters, and have consistently been shut out by good pitching, like this past weekend vs. the Sox….really wish people would stop calling this Yankee lineup great, b/c it’s not and hasn’t been since last summer….our pitching with a great bullpen is good enough, it’s the offense that will determine our playoff fate!!

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
    JAP,
    problem is, he never showed up.
    ///

    Referring to Godot ;:? That’s right! Didn’t they finally hang themselves after giving up? Although had some fun in the manner they achieved it ;)? (hope that’s not prophetic….:()

  129. GreenBeret7 August 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Morning, Kate. Montero caught all of the starters on the staff in ST except for Burnett. Regardless of the gasbags on here say, or, Ed Randll, who is a Mets shill much like Gammons is for Boston. Montero will most likely not win any Gold Gloves, but, he is more than adequate. He’s still rough edged, but, crtainly no worse that Cervelli is or Posada and Piazza were. NY has had quite a few catchers that were less than great to start with over the years that turned out pretty decent. When Yogi Berra, who was in his Navy uniform’ was introduced to Dan Toppong as there future catcher and McPhail said that he doesn’t look like much of a catcher, Topping said, “He doesn’t look like much of a sailor, either.”

    Ellie Howard was bad when he came up….worse than Montero. It took him 10 years to win a Gold Glove and MVP.

    What’s just as amazing are the experts like Bret, Ron and the others that have never even bothered to see Montero play that insist that he can’t catch. How about shutting your face and go watch him for a change.

    As far as last night. he was 0-5. Funny thing about that 0-5, there was one strikeout, a fly ball to left center that was caught against the fence, a line drive ro right center that was about 5 feet from the fence, a fly to the warning track in dead center and the last one was a hard drive to the right field fence. He’s no worse than the defensive side of Cervelli and he’ll hit. I’ve read on here that he doesn’t walk. Neither does anybody on that team. He has 30 of their 300 team walks. He’s hitting exactly what he was hitting at this time last year on a team that isn’t exactly ripping up pitchers, especially in PNC, the worst hitting park in the IL.

  130. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    108-

    Girardi should make the fullest use of all the weapons at his disposal.

    There is no downside to doing so in Sept.

    Montero, Banuelos, and Betances may be significant weapons.

    He’ll find out and we’ll find out.

    All good.

  131. Bring in the Goose August 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I think everyone needs to lower their expectations of Montero a bit, whenever he does get called up.

    He’s barely legally allowed to drink a beer in the US.

  132. ron August 9th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock :

    Well said.

    Gardner for what he is getting paid is fine.
    It gives us more money to spend elsewhere.

    Power,ops,etc… is also down across baseball because of ped testing also.
    Look at the hr totals now,nowhere near years past.

    Defense is also worth something & gardner is as good as they come.
    But i do agree,i’d much rather have a 30 hr/90 rbi player in lf.

    I think montero is not up because girardi will have a very hard time getting ab for montero,cervelli,nunez,chavez,jones,posada.

    Way to many players & we need both chavez & nunez to cover the infield,especially with arod recovering.

    I think the best option is to get rid of cervelli & his .640 ops,no power in favor of montero.

    I would rest martin a little more & dh montero once a week,catch 2 or 3 times a week.

    Nunez,chavez,etc… at bats won’t suffer as much either.

    Then if montero starts mashing,we have a sweet lineup that is much more dangerous.

    Keep in mind,cashman almost traded cervelli to the pirates at the deadline.

  133. upstate kate August 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    thanks GB

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Keith, I competely agree…that’s where the Yankees may have their head in the sand…specificallly, the offense does not have that critical right-handed power threat in it, as was demonstrated this weekend, to make Boston pitching sweat through the lineup…that’s hugely important, even to getting our left-handed middle order people unhinged against RHP…it’s the difference between winning and losing, especially when we get the kind of pitching efforts we did from Colon and Freddy, the BP, and what CC usually brings…I wish the Yankees would recognize this..but maybe they’re just assuming Alex will provide this, or that they will add in Montero as well to cause this critical shift…I can only hope they understand this…

  135. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    JAP,
    That’s right. I’m not going to hang myself if nothing happens, but the waiting is wearing.

  136. Villa Nova-Ya August 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    J Alfred Prufrock -

    I just don’t see Girardi giving him the ABs. That’s really the thing here. They can bring him up, but unless he gets ABs regularly, is he really going to be able to be a difference maker?

    I want to see Montero, but I am on the fence a little bit about the “when” of it all, and completely at a loss as to the “how” of it all.

    However, there is never a perfect time to make this type of move. I seriously don’t understand the Yankees’ hesitance to replace Cervelli. I do, however, understand their hesitancy in bringing up a new catcher at this point in the season (any new catcher be it Montero or anyone else).

    There are interesting nuances to this situation. You have a guy knocking at the door who has been lauded for his power bat who can also hit for average and who looks to be taking a few walks as well. Any team can use a power bat at any time, but they Yankees have lost Posada’s power bat (even before he was benched), so there is that need. They also need a DH.

    But they have a guy, ARod, who is to come of the DL soon, who will likely see more time at DH than he has in the past.

    They have Posada basically doing nothing for them right now, but that’s a delicate situation, too.

    The stars are not aligning yet.

    But I do think that the there is a lot of talking and trying to figure things out going on.

    In the long run, I think the Yankees, unless something happens in the next couple of weeks to change the situation, will be content to wait until September 1st to bring Jesus up. I think in some ways the Yankees are risk averse and are going to take the easier way out.

    And the reason they can do this, the reason there is no urgency, is because the are one game out of first and 7 games up in the Wild Card AND they haven’t had Rodriguez, who will be back soon.

  137. Wave Your Hat August 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I still believe that if the Yanks thought Montero could successfully catch at the major league level he’d already be here.

  138. fantasygame101 August 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    K-rod was added to the 40 man roster after aug. 31 so montero can still be added then but the problem here is who he will replace that is playoff eligible and on the 60 day dl. I think any player that is with the organization on or before aug. 31 can replace players on the dl. But if they are really serious about him to be eligible, the simplest solution is to call him up on aug. 31 and sent down noesi. And the ffg day call up phelps or any pitcher to be the long reliever.

  139. GreenBeret7 August 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Montero has caught Nova quite a lot, as well as Noesi, and his defense is not worse than Romine’s, who’s still on the DL.

  140. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    ron, agree with the whole post. Gardner’s been great in LF this season, which is his best position defensively, IMO.

    Right, the key is Cervelli. Imagine if he holds off the bat that could make The Difference. That would be tragic. I hope that’s true about Cervelli to the Pirates…that would mean they have his contributions in a little more perspective than it currently seems…

  141. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Looking at the pattycakes we are facing and with getting A-Rod back in about a week, I am calling out an 18-3 record over the next 21 games, with us rolling back into Boston in first place by more than 3 games, with a record of 87-47 ! SO BE IT ! :-) ( and how about sweeping the Sux then, too ?…..is that asking for too much ? ) ;-)

  142. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    108 Stitches….enjoyed your Mantle reflections late yesterday….
    ///

    tomingeorgia, LOL…can’t believe he sits in Scranton fusting while lesser talents, like Carlos Santana (Indians) & Jarrod Saltamacchia (Red Sox) club HRs to help their teams win games…neither of whom will ever win a gold glove back there, to say the least…

    FREE JESUS

  143. Villa Nova-Ya August 9th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    If they could have Martin go back to catching CC (because Cervelli catching CC is really about getting Martin a day off, and knowing that CC can pitch to anyone), then give Nova his own personal catcher in Montero that would be nice.

    However, he wouldn’t play enough. The point is to get Montero’s bat in there as often as possible, and I’m not seeing how they work that out. He’d have to be able to catch at least one other pitcher, and he’d have to make enough of an impact offensively for Girardi to feel confident. And it all depends on whether ARod is going to play in the field when he gets back, and how often if he does.

  144. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Wave Your Hat August 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I still believe that if the Yanks thought Montero could successfully catch at the major league level he’d already be here.

    **********

    It’s one rationale that explains why he’s not.

    The other is, if he’s taking Cervelli’s spot, he’s not getting enough AB’s.

  145. Triple Short of a Cycle August 9th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Don Vito A. Bellamo,

    Set your goals a little lower. How about 1 quality start against them

  146. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    I truly envy you folks that have access to Trenton and SWB. For me, its a couple of hours trek to watch even the Sallie League, and that team belongs to the Giants. I fully appreciate the updates from, and evaluations of the Minor Leagues from people who have actually seen these guys on a somewhat regular basis. JAP and GB7, yankeefem and other, thanks.

  147. GreenBeret7 August 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
    Wave Your Hat August 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I still believe that if the Yanks thought Montero could successfully catch at the major league level he’d already be here.

    **********

    It’s one rationale that explains why he’s not.

    The other is, if he’s taking Cervelli’s spot, he’s not getting enough AB’s.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Stick to what you think you know…making idiotic trade suggestions and telling people what they should eat (that nobody gives a damned about).

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock August 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Villa Nova-Ya August 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
    J Alfred Prufrock -

    I just don’t see Girardi giving him the ABs. That’s really the thing here. They can bring him up, but unless he gets ABs regularly, is he really going to be able to be a difference maker?

    I want to see Montero, but I am on the fence a little bit about the “when” of it all, and completely at a loss as to the “how” of it all.

    However, there is never a perfect time to make this type of move. I seriously don’t understand the Yankees’ hesitance to replace Cervelli. I do, however, understand their hesitancy in bringing up a new catcher at this point in the season (any new catcher be it Montero or anyone else).

    There are interesting nuances to this situation. You have a guy knocking at the door who has been lauded for his power bat who can also hit for average and who looks to be taking a few walks as well. Any team can use a power bat at any time, but they Yankees have lost Posada’s power bat (even before he was benched), so there is that need. They also need a DH.

    But they have a guy, ARod, who is to come of the DL soon, who will likely see more time at DH than he has in the past.

    They have Posada basically doing nothing for them right now, but that’s a delicate situation, too.

    The stars are not aligning yet.
    ////

    Villa, I just have to believe that the Yankees get it & are just laying in the weeds on Montero…the alternative is too depressing, that they could not understand their own needs…The stars are not aligning yet, but the team is fairly smoking…as long as they don’t think this snapshot is ultimately reliable in attaining the ultimate, and they have their eyes open, they can position themselves to have a long playoff run…although I don’t like the Cashman rhetoric that Montero’s “a catcher”, the obviously intended leaks that his callup is “imminent”, and Girardi’s pushback that he can’t learn the staff quickly enough…that’s signalling to me that maybe Wave Your Hat is right, which means the Yankees really plan to keep Montero out of the Bronx and use him as a trade chip..that would also mean they’re clueless about how badly they actually need his bat, not just in the here and now, but for the next several seasons…

    Good reading, today…have a good one, all.

  149. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am

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  150. jacksquat August 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Montero’s error and passed ball numbers are pretty low this year for a guy who is a total clutz behind the plate…

    I just think Girardi having been a defensive catcher overvalues catcher defense.

    I hope at least Cervelli will never catch a playoff game.

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  152. 86w183 August 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    It’s folly to think Montero would significantly impact the Yankees lineup down the stretch.

    Let the kid play every day in Scranton, give him his cup of coffee in September and see if he’s ready to make the club in March.

    Andruw Jones has the same OPS (.770) against Major League pitching that Montero has against Minor League arms.

  153. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    GB,

    Go suck on a thermometer.

  154. ron August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Nobody knows if montero will stick at catcher,probably not even the yankees.

    If not traded,he might end up in rf,once swisher leaves.

    If a catcher is serviceable behind the plate,you always take the offense,this is why i’d like to see montero replace cervelli.

    I also never said montero can’t catch or won’t be a ml catcher like some scout,expert,writer,doctor,psychiatrist & so on just suggested.

  155. austinmac August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    MTU,

    I agree Burnett in the pen is very iffy. However, he is also iffy as a starter. My point is I believe the Yankees will not start him if he is significantly worse than Hughes and Nova. What else can they do besides put him in the pen?

  156. West Coast Yankee Fan August 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I think the evisceration of Cervelli here is ridiculous and ignorant. He is a backup catcher who our ace likes throwing to, not to mention it is patently nuts to make a change to a rookie whose catching skills are questionable in the middle of a pennant race.

    Not only is Cervelli hitting .250 which is not a disaster, but his clutch stats are through the roof.

    * With 2 outs and RISP he is hitting .375 with a .444 OBP (Yankees as a team are hitting .233 with a .332 OBP)

    * In plate appearances when we are behind, he is hitting .381 with a .458 OBP.

    * In high-leverage situation he is hitting .300 with a .364 OBP

    * And against the Red Sux check out his slash line – .600/.636/.800/1.436

    * And at home in Yankee Stadium check out his slash line – .308/.390/.365/.755

    And you want to cut this guy for a totally unproven rookie? Really?

  157. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    preferably a broken mercury thermometer.

  158. Vineyard Yankee August 9th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    WCYF & MTU:

    Thank you gentlemen.

  159. tomingeorgia August 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    GB7,
    Thanks, but I already spend the $100 bucks for the MLB,com broadcasts. Furthermore, if I added minor league games to the viewing schedule, my wife would break my other hip. That’s why I appreciate your posts, and the others, too.

  160. GreenBeret7 August 9th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    What’s wrong Bret. You don’t like the truth? You seem well suited for the :girlfriend: you described. Immature, unstable, etc.

  161. Bret The Hitman August 9th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    GB,

    Oh you want to get personal with me? Am I supposed to be scared at some old #%”% who’s body is undoubtedly a toxic waste dump threatening me through a computer?

  162. ron August 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Asked if [Montero] who Cashman refused to part with for Ubaldo Jimenez at the trade deadline, could be in The Bronx this month, the GM said it was “possible.’’

    Nothing new, but nice to hear confirmation from Cashman.

    According to two Pirates sources, the Yankees came close to dealing Francisco Cervelli to the Pirates for pitcher Brad Lincoln. That would have cleared a spot for Montero.

    “It was very close but couldn’t agree on the value of the players,’’ a source said.

    This is the big scoop. Brad Lincoln would have become Pinstripe Alley’s new hero, but the deal was not made. What this means is that the Yankees came very close to promoting Montero earlier, and plan to promote Montero very soon.

    This also indicates that Francisco Cervelli will likely be demoted when Montero is promoted, and that Cervelli might not have a future with the Yankees. The Yankees have almost traded Cervelli twice, and I would not be surprised to see him get traded in an August waiver deal, or in the offseason.

    The Rockies were interested in Montero’s bat but viewed him as a first baseman instead of a catcher.

    Again, this goes along with the general view of non-Yankees scouts and management that Jesus Montero can not last as a catcher in the MLB. Interesting.

    Brad Lincoln is the 2006 first round fourth overall selection by the Pirates, and has only appeared in one game this season in the MLB. Last season Lincoln, a righty, was 1-4 with a 6.66 ERA and a 1.54 WHIP. Opponents hit .310 off of Lincoln.

  163. GreenBeret7 August 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Not a problem, Tom. Happy to help out. The minor league games are still free, whether you have a pay subscription or not. Happy to see that you’re getting along well after the surgery. I’ve been lucky, Never had that misfortune. I may be getting lazy, but, I can still get around to be actively lazy.

  164. Wave Your Hat August 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    “Not only is Cervelli hitting .250 which is not a disaster, but his clutch stats are through the roof.”

    Cervelli should just pretend it’s a clutch situation whenever he goes up to bat. He’d be a lock for MVP. I wonder why he doesn’t. Just stubborness I guess.

  165. JobaTipsHisCap August 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Cano didn’t stand up in Sux series, nor did Tex.
    Mo and ace CC also choked.

    2-10. 4 straight series lose.

    I hope Yankee players use these as motivation, instead of just collecting checks.

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    You’re an idiot, Bret. How was hat any kind of “threat”. You’d better go back to grade school and learn the English language. As far as my toxic waste body, I can still do anything I want to do, including running a daily 3-4 miles and have a coke and a cigarette afterwards.

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    GB,

    Just because your life sucks a big fat one, no need to take it out on me.

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  171. MTU August 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Mac-

    Probably true.

    They’d put him where he could do the least amount of damage and most amount of good.

    Maybe that’s the pen. Maybe not.

    The Yankees tend to not trust inexperienced players.

    Tough to go with a rookie when it’s for all the marbles.

    Have to think the guys who are the been there done that types get the preference.

    Unless there is a clear and convincing superiority being shown.

    To be very honest with you I could really care less what they do with AJ.

  172. jacksquat August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Cervelli is hitting .250/.314/.326., and that’s after coming off a 3 for 4 game. All the other numbers you posted are small sample size. Players with significant playing time do not show any significant “clutch” ability, more like some handle pressure a little better than others, but nothing that produces Cervelli’s small sample size differences.

    I’d say there is a high probability Montero could beat that, especially the power component, and if Montero hits like his potential he would be way more valuable. Of course Girardi and the Yankees will not know this unless they actually bring him up and give him a shot.

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  175. West Coast Yankee Fan August 9th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    jacksquat August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Cervelli is hitting .250/.314/.326., and that’s after coming off a 3 for 4 game. All the other numbers you posted are small sample size. Players with significant playing time do not show any significant “clutch” ability, more like some handle pressure a little better than others, but nothing that produces Cervelli’s small sample size differences.

    I’d say there is a high probability Montero could beat that, especially the power component, and if Montero hits like his potential he would be way more valuable. Of course Girardi and the Yankees will not know this unless they actually bring him up and give him a shot.

    ************

    Cervelli has been the primary backup catcher all year and has appeared in a third of our games, that is hardly a small sample size. Again, look at what he has done in crucial situations and against the Sux. You don’t throw a rookie with dubious catching ability into a pennant when you don’t have to.

    I want Montero up to see what he could do at DH and as a late game emergency backstop. Cutting Cervelli would be nuts.

  176. randy l. August 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    “What’s just as amazing are the experts like Bret, Ron and the others that have never even bothered to see Montero play that insist that he can’t catch. How about shutting your face and go watch him for a change.”

    gb7-

    i spent a lot of time in the dirt behind home plate with mlb pitchers and because of that i didn’t need to watch montero more than a few pitches to tell he can receive the ball adequately to be a decent mlb catcher. the kid can catch. he has very good hands.

    i have never liked cervelli as anything but a back up catcher. he is throwing out runners at an 8% rate. please understand that the yankee bullpen catcher knows the pitchers just as well and chances are he could throw out more than 8% of the runners. i’m 61 and i think i could throw out 8 % of the runners .

    how many times did cervelli throw the ball away and the runner went to third ? a back up has to be able to throw. girardi may have cervelli cacthing the one left hander on the staff for the very reason that runners can’t run as easily.

    cervelli until he proves otherwise is about as bad as it gets for a mlb catcher throwing out runners.
    do you have any idea how much pressure this puts on the pitcher and the rest of the defense not being able to count on the catcher doing his job.

    when the playoffs come and runs matter more, does anyone want cervelli trying to throw out runners at second base ?

    the reality is for some reason girardi is carrying cervelli despite the fact his throwing is not up to pro standards. my feeling is that cervelli is a poor reason for blocking a bat like montero at the catching position.

    i really think the yankees have painted themselves into a corner and made a mess of te cacthing position for 2011

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