Game 116: Yankees vs. Angels
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 11, 2011 
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Yankees lineup
1. Brett Gardner LF
2. Derek Jeter DH
3. Curtis Granderson CF
4. Mark Teixeira 1B
5. Robinson Cano 2B
6. Nick Swisher RF
7. Eric Chavez 3B
8. Eduardo Nunez SS
9. Francisco Cervelli C
Bartolo Colon RHP
Angels lineup
1. Erick Aybar SS
2. Alberto Callaspo 3B
3. Bobby Abreu DH
4. Torii Hunter RF
5. Mark Trumbo 1B
6. Vernon Wells LF
7. Maicer Izturis 2B
8. Peter Bourjos CF
9. Bobby Wilson C
Tyler Chatwood RHP
Time/TV: 1:08/YES
Weather: Sunny, 79
Umpires: Mike Winters HP, Mike Everitt 1B, Chris Guccione 2B, Mike Muchlinski 3B
Old friends: Colon pitched for the Angels from 2004-07, winning the Cy Young in ’05. He’s 8-5 with a 3.98 ERA in 16 career starts against them.
Touching home: Granderson leads the majors with 104 runs scored. He currently has a 20-run lead on Jacoby Ellsbury.
Closers: The Yankees are 13-6 in series finales at home this season.
Update, 1:14: Colon came in under 15 pitches in a 1-2-3 first. He threw 105 in five innings and 94 in 4 2/3 his last two starts.
Update, 1:19: Jeter singles to right. That’s hit No. 3,031, just 22 from tying Rod Carew for 22nd on the all-time list for those keeping score.
Update, 1:22: Granderson double-play ball takes care of the inning.
Update, 1:36: Colon gets into a bases-loaded, two-out jam and gets out of it with a grounder to short.
Update, 1:58: Colon no runs, three hits allowed through three. Fanned Abreu with 95 mph fastball in the third.
Update, 2:04: Gardner has a double, although he ran into first baseman Mark Trumbo en route.
Update, 2:07: Jeter gets yet another infield hit, first and third, one out.
Update, 2:11: Granderson raps into his second straight double play. Still waiting for a run. Now the fourth.
Update, 2:20: Colon is at 57 pitches after four, threw 199 over his last two starts in just 9 2/3 innings. Cano singles with one out in the fourth. Now two outs. Yankees have five hits so far.
Update, 2:30: Nothing across for the Yankees in the fourth, and now Callaspo hits one to the second deck in right in the fifth, so it’s 2-0, Angels.
Update, 2:38: 1-2-3 fifth for Chatwood.
Update, 2:47: 1-2-3 sixth for Colon, think is at about 90 pitches, two runs, five hits.
Update, 2:50: I’m losing count on Jeter’s infield hits. There’s another. They all count, though. Leadoff single in the sixth.
Update, 2:54: Granderson hits his fourth homer in three games, No. 32 overall. It’s a 2-2 game. Makes up for those two double plays. He needs just seven RBI for 100.
Update, 3:00: First and second, one out. Chatwood is done. Ex-Met Hisanori Takahashi is on to pitch.
Update, 3:06: Takahashi does his job, gets Chavez looking. Fernando Rodney will now come on to face Nunez.
Update, 3:11: Nunez goes down swinging, 2-2, heading for the seventh.
Update, 3:15: Soriano is on for the seventh, his first try at a back-to-back since returning from the DL.
Update, 3:19: Bobby Wilson singles with one out. Soriano had turned in five perfect innings before this since he’d been back.
Update, 3:23: Soriano gets out of the inning just fine.
Update, 3:35: First and second, one out. Lefty Scott Downs will relieve Rodney and face Granderson in a big spot.
Update, 3:39: Can’t always hit a home run. Granderson goes down swinging at a curve. Teixeira up.
Update, 3:41: Izturis can’t get a hold of an easy bouncer, E-4, bases loaded, two outs for Cano.
Update, 3:44: Grand slam for Cano off the facing of the second deck in right, 6-2. Homer No. 20. He’s out for a curtain call.
Update, 3:49: David Robertson will pitch the eighth.
Update, 4:00: Easy inning for Robertson.
Update, 4:09: Gardner’s streak of 22 straight steals is over, ending the eighth. Cory Wade will pitch the ninth.
Update, 4:15: Second and third, one out. Rivera will be coming in.
Update, 4:19: Three-run homer for Branyan on the first pitch. This is alarming with Rivera, 6-5.
Update, 4:22: Yankees win, 6-5.
Nasty
Hey Hey Michael Kay. How many cliches have you spouted today?
Wow, that called third strike on Callaspo had legs.
Why us Cervelli going to 4 different crouch positions? Never seen that before.
You know, watching the tv feed and listening to Sterling is hilarious. “There’s a strike, low and away!” was the call on a 94 mph fastball on the inside corner at the knees.
IF Hughes is moved to the bullpen in the long man Aceves role he still has the chance to throw quite a few innings the rest of the season.
I’d set my rotation with Colon as my #2 and Freddy as the #5 and Hughes could be a handcuff for both guys in an effort to limit their innings these last 10 starts to 5 and save some bullets for the postseason particularly with Bartolo who hasn’t thrown this many innings in 5yrs and right now is your #2 starter in the postseason.
In this scenario Hughes may throw 2-4 innings every 3 days or so for the rest of the season with a very real possibility or reaching 100 innings and building up his arm
JETE…how come you’re not battin ninth yet???
sterling is something else,
i remeber 1 time in a tight game cano hit a drive i was listen he gos ‘it is high it is far it is gone, no off the wall, no its gone’…
im like what the hell is the damn call!
Cervelli is a hot dog, plain and simple.
JAP,
The guy’s washed up. Bench him for Nunez.
Champ, if Garcia and Colon pitch well, they aren’t going to be removed from games to give Phil innings, nor should they. There’s really no way for him not to have innings issues next year……
LOL @ Vernon Wells and his .243 OBP… OUCH
Sterling just called an 88 mph change for a strike “a good hard fastball. If you’ve got it, you’ve got to throw it”.
Jeter gets that.
Nobody’s stealing signs for him this year??
tomingeorgia August 11th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
JAP,
The guy’s washed up. Bench him for Nunez.
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tom, don’t know if you were around then, but the harangue in here, relelentlessly so, by all the little imaginary dictators, was that “as soon as Jeter gets his 3K hit, he’s getting sent down in the order to nine spot.”
Indignation abounded by these people that the Yankees would even THINK of batting him anywhere else once this little token of his career, now clearly over, was achieved.
Too funny Kim getting roasted.
JAP,
Talk about Posada being a proud man who doesn’t seem to be able to get it done anymore, Jeter is a proud man who, so far, can get it done, and seems to want to prove it.
Jeter does not get that.
Niice. Atta boy, SBquito!
Only because he’s DH’ing
Thats a very nice play on the move by Nunez.
Still think Jeter gets that liner that went over Nunez head. It looked like Nunez didn’t even jump for it. Jeter has a knack for snaring those. imo.
Tex is now 2-23
tom, the 5-for-5 day, including 3,000th, was Jeter’s answer to those who would under estimate him…I think the time off did him a world of good, also. He’s played through a lot of injuries over the years, & at this point, he’s better of taking a day or so…I think that was demonstrated for him & that he understands that now…also got some time to take stock…
JAP,
I wasn’t posting much then, but I was certainly reading the trash. I didn’t think I should post back then, because the sabremetricians were too daunting, but then my own eyes saw different things. What the hell, I thought, what’s the worst that can happen? WCYF and VY would tear me up? I’d feel far worse if you or GB7 did it, but it still wouldn’t be fatal to my ego.
# UnKnown August 11th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Thats a very nice play on the move by Nunez.
Still think Jeter gets that liner that went over Nunez head. It looked like Nunez didn’t even jump for it. Jeter has a knack for snaring those. imo.
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I agree, but who knows for sure ?
tom, some of the saber stats are interesting, but I’m a disciple of nothing…the defensive metrics for non-pitchers in particular are highly suspect, though…
I’m gonna have to rely on John Sterling for the next little while…enjoy the game, folks! GO YANKS
Just put Torii on here.
Great pitching Bart. And Fielding. However, I don’t know how much longer he is going to get away with just throwing all fastballs.
The Saltimbanquito walks the tightrope but again lands on his feet.
I’ll take it.
Please don’t walk Grandy
Let’s double steal here
Drat
Grandy is a little off today
Triple Short of a Cycle too bad a walk would have been a lot better then hitting into another twin killing.
We look like we are going to lose today as we keep getting guys on but not getting them in
Wasting chances
this pitcher STINKS….next inning, time to put up a crooked number….DANG !
It’s 0-0. Looks like we”re going to lose? Geez.
WE’RE DOOMED! Why do we even watch?
Strictly based on on the field preformance this season who would you rather on your team for the remainder of the year:
1. Adam Dunn
2. Jorge Posada
3. Vernon Wells
???
pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Strictly based on on the field preformance this season who would you rather on your team for the remainder of the year:
1. Adam Dunn
2. Jorge Posada
3. Vernon Wells
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Wells – he’s the only one of the three who can at least play in the field.
Bojo,
Good to see you. We seem to be on different shifts. But you’re right, WE’RE DOOMED here, tied at 0 in the bottom of the 4th.
this guy is SO living on borrowed time
Dunn is beyond terrible this season. He is the absolute worst. Posada is the one that’s closest to his full potential, considering his current age, and recent years performance. However, Wells has the best overall stats. I don’t know how many times he has hit into a double play this year, but Posada can be very prone to that at times.
TG–just popping in…very busy days lately. Hope you are well.
When u blow chances vs average pitchers it usually comes back to haunt
I’m fine, Bojo. Thanks for asking.
Disgraceful commentary by the YES booth following that hit
Did GB leave the house also
Wasted chances means trailing again
Following on Gameday…shows Bart’s 4 seamer at 88-89. Is that correct? Was 93-95 earlier.
Sad to lose 2 at home to LA and not even see santana nor weaver.You lose 2-3 to LA and do not even see those 2 that is totally sad.
6 game lead in the WC
is the game over already? the loser fans are here early…
This is what happens when you have a narcoleptic offense that just falls asleep at the drop of a hat. pathetic.
ralphfl,
I assume everytime the Yankees talk a lead you do the same and pencil in a win?
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NOTE TO STERLING AND KAY:
When a starting pitcher faces the Yankees for the first time, don’t recite his stats and claim he’s “average” or “serviceable” or a “fourth/fifth starter”. Just give us Sandy Koufax’s and Don Drysdale’s stats becaude that’s how these guys look against The Bombers! Sheeesh!
ralphfl -
Do you turn movies off halfway through, too?
No kidding ID.
Pathetic. Why do some of these “fans” even take time to post. Miserable people.
Irreverent Discourse i was here early read up.No weaver and no Santana? and lose 2-3 that is sad.
NYYROC,
The stadium gun shows him 92-95.
ralphfl,
It’s the bottom of the 5th, for chrissakes. Watch the game, and see what happens.
ralphfl – no, whats sad is you think they lost this game already… because you are a loser.
TheStraw go back and look it up and tell me the last time the yankees down 2 or more runs going into the 6th inning and won? take awhile cause you won’t find it.
hey Cervelli lets make it a quick inning….hack away at the first pitch. good job
There is a reason why Tyler Chatwood has not won since June 25. His offense stinks and he stinks. Yet, today he is Cy Chatwood
Irreverent Discourse and ill ask you the same thing when was the last time we came back and won a game we were losing by 2 or more runs after 6 innings? look it up then get back to me.
Thanks tomingeorgia!
ralphfl – that’s not true, at all.
So grabderson will win 1 and cost us 2
Irreverent Discourse find me it then? you can’t
ralpfl – 2 seconds of searching and i found July 19th, they were down 4-2 in the 8th. I’m not going to bother looking for more because you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Apparently Ralphfl didn’t watch the Yanks beat Lester.
They have won 7 times when trailing going into the 6th, 4 times after that
They let the kid off the hook. Pitchers settle down if given the chance
Hi, my name is ralphfl and I’m a loser fan.
Baseball teams lose 62+ games a year, generally they will lose alot and have bad records when trailing because that is how you lose 62 times a year
Irreverent Discourse we lost that game LOL
Irreverent Discourse WE LOST 3-2 ON THE 19TH OF JULY SO YOU MY FRIEND HAVE NO CLUE
ralphfl – they tied the game, rendering the 2 run lead obsolete. you said they never come back. you were wrong.
Team looks hungover.
July 18th, losing 4-2 going into the 8th. They won 5-4
A quiet afternoon for the offense… 2 bad GIDP – Colon need to hold it to 2 runs…
I know I’m going to be skewered here for even raising this point…especially since we may very well come back and win this game. But anyone who doesn;t think our offense has major problems with or without A-Rod is going to end up drowning in a lake that has an average depth of 6 inches.
ralphfl – The day before, July 18th, they were down 4-2 and cameback to WIN. Happy now?
The fact is you have no clue what you are talking about, it took me 3 seconds to prove you wrong.
3rd time thru the lineup for the Chatwood kid. Should be the charm for the Yankees.
Regardless of the stats how how many times they have come back, we should/can all agree that this offense has been very inconsistent. Hopefully, they get it going this inning and put some runs on the board.
Regardless of the stats about how many times they have come back, we should/can all agree that this offense has been very inconsistent. Hopefully, they get it going this inning and put some runs on the board.
Colon: 89 pitches through 6, one of them bad.
What inning did they come back on Lester, the fifth? What’s the difference. The point is, Ralphfl is an idiot.
3-3 , Jeters back!!!
Jeter startin it up.
One fastball at 94.5 the rest have been at 90 or below in last two innings…better in bullpen?
“Hope” is for April… and mets fans.
One fastball at 94.5 the rest have been at 90 or below in last two innings…better in bullpen?
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he has thrown 6 pretty solid innings, that is more valuable than any bullpen work he’d get while operating in leverage innings below soriano, robertson, mo, and wade
Yankees will never come back in this game!
MVP
GIPD, GIDP, 2R HR – Came down from the moon
I didn’t want to jinx it but I was totally thinking a Grandybomb coming.
Hunter was tricking the fans.
Hey, ralphfl,
How about that?
YES!!!! Redemption for the Grandyman!!!
Jeter is having a good afternoon
AND I guess GRANDY made up for his two DP’s!!!!!!!!!!! and who was talking about the Yanks losing cause they are trailing by 2 runs in the 5th….
gooo Grandy!!! MVP
Mell August 11th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
3rd time thru the lineup for the Chatwood kid. Should be the charm for the Yankees.
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Nostra-bleepin’-damus!!!!!!!
Grandy!!!!!
Good Ole Ralphy can go back to reading Pete Abe’s twitter page now. lol
Granderson wants to win 2
guys that HR doesn’t count because the yankees never come back in games. ever.
The Yankees have been hitting Chatwood all day, just didn’t get much luck on BIP (except for Jetes of course)
I was thinking homer redemption as well but I dared not give voice to my hopes.
Yay. Mark’s now 3-23. It’s about damn time
I would love to see Grandy grab the MVP with a Willie Mays season.
I wish somehow Grandy could get his batting avg up because that is the excuse they are gonna use to not give him MVP. All of his other numbers are like 1 or 2 in the AL!!! MVP and this season I think he really have been our MVP
Redemption for whom? Granderson? What did he have to redeem himself from? Probably getting cheated out of MVP?
Redemption for consecutive GIDP.
So the answer to ralph’s question is 4, as per jerkface
syd_cash August 11th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I wish somehow Grandy could get his batting avg up because that is the excuse they are gonna use to not give him MVP. All of his other numbers are like 1 or 2 in the AL!!! MVP and this season I think he really have been our MVP
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His only hope is that the Sox split the vote. I think Bautista is playing himself out of consideration which helps too. I just have a bad feeling that Sox bias will set in and Grandy only finishes 3rd behind Gonzalez and the Smurf.
I have a good feeling about Nunez’s upcoming at bat.
That good feeling must have been just me scratching myself
I hope Nunez wasn’t asking Winters if that pitch he just swung at would have been a strike.
Come on Nuney that was in the dirt.
I’ve never seen a guy play himself out of consideration for MVP by… hitting more HR’s than anyone else…
where can I find a live audio feed?
Needed one more big hit there.
Irreverent Discourse, although you seem to have some affection for the Yankees are you in fact a Cubs fan who also likes the Rays and is your name Manni?
nick in sf – I don’t think I am, let me go ask my mom…
I wonder where heyman is with his #betterthangranderson tweets.???
My mom says I pretended I had an invisible friend named Paco… but no Manni.
If Grandy can top MLB in HR’s and RBI he should win it. Runs and SB’s are gravy.
no way in hell Joe takes blondie (AJ) out of the rotation…i would be shocked. So basically Hughes is the odd man out, because Nova is doing too well to be removed as well.
nick – i saw that site on google when the west coast buttbuddies decided to try and “get” me… pretty funny.
The Angels have some pretty crappy catchers. They can’t hit at all.
nice play Gardy backing up Grandy
Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
nick – i saw that site on google when the west coast buttbuddies decided to try and “get” me… pretty funny.
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Were the West Coast Buttbuddies a boy band in the 80s?
BoJo – Yes, and they think they still are… Ripped jeans and big pink hair for everyone!
Cervelli lifts team on his shoulders and carries them
lead off walk i like it
syd – agree. It’s just too tough for them to remove AJ from the rotation with two years left on the contract. Plus Hughes has relieved before — and recently. I agree, all signs point to Hughes to the bp.
Bunting. Ugggh.
Guy can’t find the zone n I give him an out. How is that in the binder?
Girardi was poisoned by his time with the Marlins.
Is there that much of a speed difference between Martin and Cervelli. I wouldn’t think so.
It’s the 7th not the 9. Makes no sense to play small ball
can someone please take a look at the 2006 Tigers staff and tell me how they Fargin’ beat us? Bernie Williams hit the hardest shot of the whole series, and it was foul….Kenny Rogers? Really?
Great choice bunting. Common sense. Guy can’t throw strikes u don’t give him free outs
More likely for Grandy…. DP #3 or HR #2????
I’m gonna go line drive single to right
I think the Martin pinch running move has to do with the fact that Martin’s a much better base stealer.
yes love that I hear the MVP chants at the stadium
c;mon Grandyman
Redemption time for the 2nd GIDP?
Good thing we bunted… sigh.
maybe Texeria can be a hero….he hasn’t done much lately
wowza I was just about to say how lame Tex is, but now a lucky break…hopefully Cano will make them pay
Hopefully Cano can make them pay for that embarrassment
GAME OVER
CANO!!!!!!!!!!
Hopefully Cano can make them pay for that embarrassment
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Paid in full
grand slam!!!!!!!!! whooohooo AWESOMENESS. Love you Robbie
ralphfl,
You still here? How about that?
Cano, uh dontcha know?! #20-Woot!
Pedroia’s still better Robinson Carewski!!
The Prince of the City
Yes!!!!!
Boy, this is sure gonna be depressing for the team when they found out they actually lost this game 3 innings ago.
Izzie for player of the game
DONTCHA KNOW?!
what happened to Cervelli that Martin was brought in to run?
How crappy does Izturis feel now?
“Pedroia’s still better Robinson Carewski!!”
Only in Karl Ravech’s pants.
Good thing he had Gardner bunt. Lol
ID,
They should have come off the field then and forfeited, with their heads down, but the league say “play nine”.
Robbie Gelato!
Yanks now 2,3 & 4 in RBI.
“They should have come off the field then and forfeited, with their heads down, but the league say “play nine”.”
I wasn’t watching. What happened?
Pretty special moment, even brought a smile to Andruw’s face.
Nick, more like Helado.
For all the crap that he gets, does anyone ever seriously consider that Robinson Cano might be the greatest second baseman who has EVER worn a Yankee uniform?
Food for thought.
We are (almost unknowingly so) watching a future Yankee legend grow before our eyes.
Errors bite you…..nice Robbie.
# SteveD August 11th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Yanks now 2,3 & 4 in RBI.
Wrong…
Grandy 1
Agonz 2
Tex 3
Cano 4
G-C August 11th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
For all the crap that he gets, does anyone ever seriously consider that Robinson Cano might be the greatest second baseman who has EVER worn a Yankee uniform?
Food for thought.
We are (almost unknowingly so) watching a future Yankee legend grow before our eyes.
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I still think Willie was better – but Cano’s career has a long way to go.
“For all the crap that he gets, does anyone ever seriously consider that Robinson Cano might be the greatest second baseman who has EVER worn a Yankee uniform?”
Not better than Scooter until he wins some more rings…
# SteveD August 11th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Yanks now 2,3 & 4 in RBI.
Wrong…
Grandy 1
Agonz 2
Tex 3
Cano 4
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Happy to be wrong!
Cano is on a HOF pace…..he’s got a ways to go but he could go down as one of the better 2B ever……of course it would look better if he hopped around before every pitch and slept in the dugout with his Red Sox PJs on like Pedroia.
Adrian Gonzalez still leads the league in RBIs even though he doesn’t lead the league in RBIs.
and, while I never saw him play, Tony Lazzeri is in the Hall of Fame – so you gotta give him some credit as being the best Yankee 2b of all time for now and my dad swears by Bobby Richardson.
Martin’s white sunglasses are ridiculous, hope he puts those where is ‘stache went
blake August 11th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Cano is on a HOF pace…..he’s got a ways to go but he could go down as one of the better 2B ever……of course it would look better if he hopped around before every pitch and slept in the dugout with his Red Sox PJs on like Pedroia.
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Well Pedrioa is a testament to what makes baseball different than any other sport – he’s not the biggest, not the fastest, not the strongest, but by gosh if they could find a way to measure heart he would blow everyone away.
forget for a second that Pedroia is on the Sox –
if we were each constructing a team today, figuring stats, power, leadership, defense, clutchness, energy (which we each value differently)
which of you would pick Cano and who would pick the muddy chicken?
You mean the game was not over when the Angels went ahead 2 – 0 in only the 5th inning.
No way, can’t be true.
Hessey – I would pick both and teach Cano how to play short.
ID – you know, I was thinking something similar – if Eckstein can play ont he left side, maybe Pedroia could play short or even 3rd…is Cano quick enough to play either of those?
“forget for a second that Pedroia is on the Sox –
if we were each constructing a team today, figuring stats, power, leadership, defense, clutchness, energy (which we each value differently)
which of you would pick Cano and who would pick the muddy chicken?”
I’ll take Cano every day of the week. He drives me crazy sometimes, but even in a down year (which this is, for him, compared to the last couple), he’s still better than Pedroia, who I acknowledge is a great player (I just hate the way ESPN fawns over him).
Cano has the talent to be even much better than he’s shown this year. When he puts it all together, some year…
And especially in our ballpark, you go with Cano.
Check swing cost High Socks for Hope $100. Shoot.
That may have been the worst check.swing call I’ve ever seen……wow.
I would pick Cano – he’s just as good with the glove and brings the added element of power.
Pedroia has also benefited greatly by his home park. BA, OBP, SLG, OPS are all significantly higher at Fenway than on the road. Cano, by contrast has better numbers on the road but the splits aren’t nearly as great.
UnKnown,
Those doomsayer are long gone, as usual. “You want the truth? You cant handle the truth!”
Stop the Pedroia/Cano talk please.
Both great players.
Helado is more linguistically appropriate for Robbie, but I’ll be celebrating with gelato once this game pays out. The rich, intense bursts of flavor will perfectly match the intense catharsis of that blast.
Nick in SF August 11th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Pretty special moment, even brought a smile to Andruw’s face.
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That or he sat on a whoopi cushion.
Carlos August 11th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Stop the Pedroia/Cano talk please.
Both great players.
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That’s the fun of it. It’s like the Jeter/Nomar/Alex comparisons, or Mantle vs. Mays
Chip,
Your forgot the Duke, RIP.
G-C August 11th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
For all the crap that he gets, does anyone ever seriously consider that Robinson Cano might be the greatest second baseman who has EVER worn a Yankee uniform?
Food for thought.
We are (almost unknowingly so) watching a future Yankee legend grow before our eyes.
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Tony Lazzeri and Joe Gordon were pretty good too
hassey – don’t need to be any quicker to play short than second at the ML level… it’s the arm that separates them. I don’t think anyone would argue with Cano having the better arm.
The way I see it is that Pedroia is a very good player. But he’t not this superstar that ESPN makes him out to be. I think that’s why I hate him so much. He’s built up this sort of legacy through media hype. He’s a top 2 2nd baseman in the game along with Cano but there is no way that he’s a top 5 player in baseball like people make him out to be..
Cano might have to learn to throw overhand more from SS. Throwing sidearm/underhand, his throws sometimes have some tail on them that wouldn’t work from SS. I think he could play the position well though.
We’re already witness to the greatest SS and 3B in Yankee history IMO…also greatest reliever. not a bad time to be a Yankee fan.
Would anyone take 6 innings, 5 hits and two runs from AJ?
Come on Wade, close it out here. No need to use Mo today.
Cashman gets ripped all the time on this board – but can we take a second and acknowledge that while not all of his deals come out smelling like roses – he and his scouting department did a fantastic job this year with the bargain bin…Colon, Garcia, Chavez, Martin, Wade, Ayala…my goodness. This team would be in a whole heap of trouble without the contributions from those guys.
tomingeorgia August 11th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Would anyone take 6 innings, 5 hits and two runs from AJ?
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I would. The thing about AJ though is that he would throw that line when the offense is getting shut out. Recently, he’s been doing just enough to lose. He lets up 7 runs and can’t get through 5 when the offense explodes in Chicago, but then will allow 2 runs in 8 innings and lose 2-1…
I never like seeing Branyon hit in YS
Wow. And the slump continues….
Another cutter that didn’t cut.
That is why you save Branyan as the tying run. Bad managing Scioscia
I’d pull Rivera RIGHT now and DL him. Clearly not healthy. Robertson needs to be closing games. This is getting absurd. Look for him to be DLed after today’s game.
I never like seeing Branyon hit in YS
Until Mo straightens himself out, I would pull him here
Mo just wants it to be more interesting.
Just a blip again. Right?
ID – Not sure I agree with that – just as many, if not more, responsibilities at short
By the way – Russell Branyan hates us
Rivera is really in a rut right now. He always goes through phases of being hittable but this is the worst I can remember in a while.
This is what happens when you don’t tack on runs
Wade must have slept with Rivera’s wife or something… Wanted to make sure he got charged with those runs…
Mo needs a break. Simple as that.
BoJo August 11th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I never like seeing Branyon hit in YS
Until Mo straightens himself out, I would pull him here
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even if I agreed with the premise (which I don’t) Robertson and Soriano have already pitched – who are you bringing in? Ayala, Logan or Noesi?
Alright, good win taking the series. Only 1 game back and gain some ground in the wildcard. Good week so far!
Nothing to do with Branyan – this is the third massive failure for Rivera in a row.
Massive failure?? He still saved the game. Not a big deal.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Nothing to do with Branyan – this is the third massive failure for Rivera in a row.
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Oh please – Say what you want about Branyan but the guy has been hitting massive homeruns for a long time now. Rivera threw a bad pitch – he didn’t give up the lead and retired the next two guys. I’ll take that kind of “failure”
maybe we should have signed Branyan to be our DH
Wow, Mariano.
He’ll be fine. All the doubters should give him a bit more leeway, he earned it don’t you think?
why do all these guys start their interview answers with “I mean, you know”
Time to face the fact that, like Posada and Jeter, Mariano is aging. He simply doesn’t throw as hard as he used to, and that means when he misses with his pitch, he can get hit hard. Rivera is great, but he is human, and human beings (those that don’t inject chemicals) get old.
I’m not ready to use the term “Mo-proofing” a game
Wow, the blind Rivera love is really getting obnoxious. Giving up 3 runs in .2 innings is a “Massive failure.” There’s no debating that. He just looks terrible right now. He’s probably injured. I hope he is, because otherwise he might be done. But I’m putting my money on injured.
Hassey August 11th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
maybe we should have signed Branyan to be our DH
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I was all for it when the D’Backs released him – the guy is a professional slugger and can do it even after sitting on the bench – great weapon to have.
It’s the third poor game in a row for Mariano. Bury your head in the sand if you choose to. He’s pitching very poorly right now. Hopefully he rights the ship and it’s just a short term slump.
TominGeorgia – Going to Sea Bright this weekend…where was that other “beach” you suggested?
Dill Pickler August 11th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Time to face the fact that, like Posada and Jeter, Mariano is aging. He simply doesn’t throw as hard as he used to, and that means when he misses with his pitch, he can get hit hard. Rivera is great, but he is human, and human beings (those that don’t inject chemicals) get old.
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Every year Mo goes through a stretch of a week or 10 days where he gives up homeruns, blows a couple of saves and the “fans” freak out. At some point yes, the sky will actually be falling, but until I see a sustained period where he’s not getting it done I will continue to think that such fans are complete and utter idiots.
3 turds in 4 games for Mo. Time for his little “spell” to be over.
MO has given up a 3run hr, 2 run and if it wasn’t for the green monster
Mo has moved from almost unhittable to quite hittable.
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West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
It’s the third poor game in a row for Mariano. Bury your head in the sand if you choose to. He’s pitching very poorly right now. Hopefully he rights the ship and it’s just a short term slump.
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See above about this happening every year.
I didn’t worry that they’d be back, even if we won. Geez, a series win against a possible PS opponent. Lost after the 4th, we were told, disappeared after the Cano homer, back now to say our closer should be DLed. Have these people ever watched baseball, or just studied numbers from the latest week?
Last time this happened, Mo had to simply make an adjustment in his grip. I don’t think he is through, but he needs to find his adjustment. He is n ot lock down until he does. I would be careful how he is used. That’s all. No need to DL him or anything.
Chip August 11th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Every year Mo goes through a stretch of a week or 10 days where he gives up homeruns, blows a couple of saves and the “fans” freak out.
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No one is “freaking out”. Some of us just are making realistic observations that are factual and not open for debate. Glad you are happy with how he’s pitching. I bet you he’s not.
Right now, both Robertson and Soriano are pitching way better than Mo. Of course, maybe this stretch will end soon, and Mo will re-discover his cutter.
Chip, yes, he does go through a period sort of like this almost every year. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s aging, and not throwing as hard. He has to be “more perfect” (sorry) with his pitches. He’s 40 years old, fercryinoutloud. Nothing lasts forever. I’m not saying I’d remove him from the closer job now, after 3 bad outings, but that’s something that is going to have to happen at some point. Nothing lasts forever. The question is, when?
See you next time folks
Yikes Mo!
Hassey,
To tell the truth, I don’t remember what beach it was, just that it was there!
It’s WWWMW… there’s one every year.
Anyway, no matter where you stand on Mariano, isn’t it great to have DRob and RSor to step up?
Well Chip, nothing is more irrelevant than “it happens every year”. The past has nothing to do with now. He will not last forever. One of these times it will be more than just a temporary blip and neither you nor I nor anyone else knows when that will be. Hopefully it’s just a small slump. Hopefully.
Mo lose his cutter?
Wow, the delusion here regarding Rivera is really sad. People, it’s reality. He’s nearly 42. No one’s declaring him done. But if you don’t think there’s a possibility that something is wrong, then you really don’t know anything about the human body, let alone baseball. There’s a STRONG possibility that he’s injured or at the very least fatiguing. If that’s the case, he needs to be DLed. Otherwise, the same problems can exist going into the playoffs.
People, I implore you, wake up. He’s almost 42. Fatigue or injury in a near-42 year old closer shouldn’t be shocking.
Mariano’s velocity has been constant for 3 years, where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Seriously hate that I missed Robbie’s GS.
So, I see the game had a bit of an interesting end, huh?
that is some BS, that you come in and give up a 3 run HR and still get the save….kinda silly
DanBarbarisi Girardi on when he’d start to worry about Rivera, after his 3rd straight bad game: “If it happened for a month.”
YankeesInk No fear about Mo from this end. He’ll work it out. The mistakes were boldfaced by the situations but it’s similar to past mini-slumps.
” He’s probably injured. I hope he is, because otherwise he might be done.”
dfox-
if there any postgraduate degree programs you were thinking of applying to, you might want to reconsider.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Chip August 11th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Every year Mo goes through a stretch of a week or 10 days where he gives up homeruns, blows a couple of saves and the “fans” freak out.
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No one is “freaking out”. Some of us just are making realistic observations that are factual and not open for debate. Glad you are happy with how he’s pitching. I bet you he’s not.
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Really? Read some of the comments above – that he should be put on the DL or that he’s done. You don’t consider that freaking out?
Am I happy with the way he has pitched in his last three games? No. But I accept it for what it is – a slump. Over the course of a long season everyone has them, pitchers and hitters and if you’ve been paying attention for the last 15 years you would know that Mo goes through this just about every year too. It’s nothing to get bent out of shape about. He made 1 bad pitch to Bobby Abreu and in the case of Branyan, well as I said, there is a reason why teams continue to employ him – he’s a tremendous slugger and he did his job.
Unless he is hurt their is no reason to think Mo, who has pitched fabulously all season, suddenly lost it in a week. His velocity is fine. He will work on his cutter and straighten it out. If he was throwing 88, then I would be worried.
It was a lousy pitch. I don’t know how much more to read into it than that. It’s somewhat disconcerting that he’s had three straight sub-par outings but given Mo’s overall body of work this year it’s obviously way too soon to start jumping to conclusions.
When you’re a closer, the situation is always boldfaced.
Hope it’s just the grip, or something minor that can be worked out.
Irreverant — I don’t think his velocity’s been constant for the past 3 years. I don’t think it’s dropped dramatically in that time, but it has dropped a bit. You don’t see him hit 94 at all anymore. 93, only occasionally it seems. Of course, with Mo, the movement is the key, but velocity affects movement.
Whiners. ‘Mo is done blahblag’. Shut up. You are now seeing what just about EVERY other team in baseball has to deal with. Streaky closers. John Axford is one of baseballs best closers right now. Converted last 31 saves in a row.
He got DESTROYED in April. Destroyed. Blew 2 saves (badly) and gave up runs in a bunch of appearances. He’s been lights out since may. Mo isnt done. Hes just finally becoming normal after all these years. Lets wait until he cant hold any leads for an extended period before crucifying him.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Well Chip, nothing is more irrelevant than “it happens every year”. The past has nothing to do with now. He will not last forever. One of these times it will be more than just a temporary blip and neither you nor I nor anyone else knows when that will be. Hopefully it’s just a small slump. Hopefully.
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So the plan then is to say he’s old and done each time he has a slump because one day you might be right? That’s a helluva plan. It’s kind of like carrying an umbrella with you every day because some day it might rain.
At some point yes, Rivera will be done – but since I’ve seen him have these short slumps every year it is going to take a lot more than 3 bad appearances before I’m willing to entertain the notion that this is more than one of those bumps in the road.
Re: Mo- This happens EVERY YEAR. This is nothing new, and IIRC, it’s usually around this time of year.
He’ll be fine.
People should also remember that he’s gotten fatigued before. He’s been on the DL before. Yet when he’s be awful, nearing age 42, and missing terribly with location, people refuse to believe he might be hurt.
Read between the lines…. He was great in the beginning of the year. Now he isn’t. What might that imply? He always pitches through some fatigue. But you’re stupid if you believe a 41 year old should be absolutely pushed to the limit. He clearly needs some time off.
I want to see Rivera come back as Mariano Rivera. Not an average to sub-par closer. Apparently I’m one of the few who want to see that.
Time for Rothschild to work with MO and give up on AJ. He can’t be fixed anyways.
It is amazing how some use “he’s done that for fifteen years” as evidence that he will continue performing at that level. He’s 42 this November.
Wave Your Hat August 11th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
It was a lousy pitch. I don’t know how much more to read into it than that. It’s somewhat disconcerting that he’s had three straight sub-par outings but given Mo’s overall body of work this year it’s obviously way too soon to start jumping to conclusions.
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As I said – I think there are some people who want to just say he’s done every time he has a bad outing so that when he is, eventually, done they can say “see, I told you.”
I am not saying he’s done. I don’t know and neither does anyone else.
“It is amazing how some use “he’s done that for fifteen years” as evidence that he will continue performing at that level. He’s 42 this November.”
Yeah, the people here are having trouble grasping that concept. I think they absolutely take for granted that this guy is almost 42. I don’t think they understand how easily injuries or fatigue can occur in a baseball player that old. Seriously, they’re delusional. They think he’s injury proof and hurt proof. It really amazed me.
Wow…..I stepped away and they score 3 runs. Great win….great series win. 8 game cushion on a playoff spot and a game back of 1st.
Mo will be fine ……last year he got in a bad habit with his grip and the cutter flattens…..could be that again or something else subtle mechanically. He may need to consider busting out the CU against lefties though at some point.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
It is amazing how some use “he’s done that for fifteen years” as evidence that he will continue performing at that level. He’s 42 this November.
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And it’s also amazing how some people focus on 3 bad appearances and completely discount the 43 previous ones.
Oh god. Giving up on Mo? Wow.
Voorhees: “He got DESTROYED in April. Destroyed. Blew 2 saves (badly) and gave up runs in a bunch of appearances. He’s been lights out since may. Mo isnt done. Hes just finally becoming normal after all these years. Lets wait until he cant hold any leads for an extended period before crucifying him.”
Wow. first, this is just factually incorrect. Sorry to inject facts here. Yes, he blew 2 saves in April, but he wasn’t destroyed. in 11.2 innings, he gave up a grand total of 3 runs, and no homers. Saved 10 of 12 games, walked 2, had a batting avg. against of .256, and an era of 2.31.
Second, I don’t see people “crucifying” him here, just wondering if he’s getting past his sell-by-date. At age 41, that’s gonna come up.
Third, compared to the questions and haranguing Jeter gets about aging, this is nothing.
Seems like the one who’s overreacting here is you.
Mariano will be done when he’s done, and we’ll miss him terribly when he does hang them up. He’s still the class closer in baseball. Another proud Yankee, but humbler than most.
Chip August 11th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
And it’s also amazing how some people focus on 3 bad appearances and completely discount the 43 previous ones.
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Because, what one did in the past does not count. Only what one does now counts.
WCYF,
What you say now is absolutely predicted by what you’ve ever said.
Dill Pickler – OK well… you can go by what you “think you see” and I’ll go by facts. His velocity is fine.
WCYF – so how do you explain that he was great up until Sunday and now he’s “hittable”. It’s called a rough patch – he does this every August. Hitters go through it and so can Mo.
tomingeorgia August 11th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Mariano will be done when he’s done, and we’ll miss him terribly when he does hang them up. He’s still the class closer in baseball. Another proud Yankee, but humbler than most.
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Agreed.
And I’ll add that whoever takes over for him, whether it’s Soriano, Robertson, some kid in the system or some pitcher currently on another team – is in for a rough road. The way people get on Rivera when he has 3 bad outings – jeez – how will they deal with a closer who is a mere mortal
Okay, 2010 in May Mo gave up 5 runs (3 earned) in a 3 game stretch in May, and 4 runs in a 3 game stretch in Sept
In 2007 he gave up 5 runs in a 3 game stretch in August, and 9 runs in 4 games in April
In 2004, he gave up 5 runs in 2 games in July.
I didn’t go back any further than that. But while I am worried, I’m going to let this play out longer before jumping off the Verrazano.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 11th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Chip August 11th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
And it’s also amazing how some people focus on 3 bad appearances and completely discount the 43 previous ones.
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Because, what one did in the past does not count. Only what one does now counts.
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That is absolutely absurd. So if Jorge Posada is in tomorrow’s lineup and goes 2-3 with a HR you completely discount the balance of his season and say he’s back to being the great player he was a few years ago?
When CC was getting roughed up on Saturday did that mean he’s not one of the best pitchers in the league because he had a bad start?
did anyone else notice how slowly Branyan circled the bases??
Chip – The only absurd thing is trying to argue sense with WCYF.
“Okay, 2010 in May Mo gave up 5 runs (3 earned) in a 3 game stretch in May, and 4 runs in a 3 game stretch in Sept
In 2007 he gave up 5 runs in a 3 game stretch in August, and 9 runs in 4 games in April
In 2004, he gave up 5 runs in 2 games in July.
I didn’t go back any further than that. But while I am worried, I’m going to let this play out longer before jumping off the Verrazano.”
And in 2011, he missed multiple games with arm soreness. Doesn’t that need to be factored in?
Irreverent — I’m not saying his velocity isn’t fine. He clearly can still get it done with the velocity he’s throwing at. It’s the movement that makes Mo Mo. What I said is that he’s aging, and as is natural, his velocity is decreasing. I admit that I’m not sure about this, just that it seems it’s decreased a bit over the past 3 years.
As for “facts” — you haven’t provided any “facts” to back up what you say either — that his velocity’s been the same the past 3 years.
For the record, I am not, and never have, said that Mo is done, or that I want him removed from the closer role because of 3 bad outings. Just that he’s getting old (baseball-wise), and the day is coming when we all have to face a Yankee life without Mo.
That will be strange.
Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Chip – The only absurd thing is trying to argue sense with WCYF.
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Fair enough.
He has missed games with arm soreness in the past. He didn’t even go on the DL. It was also almost 2 months ago… that has nothing to do with him blowing a game or 2 in August.
Dill As for “facts” — you haven’t provided any “facts” to back up what you say either — that his velocity’s been the same the past 3 years.
If you can’t look that up on your own, you’re on your own.
DocTodd August 11th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
did anyone else notice how slowly Branyan circled the bases??
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As Mike Piazza once said, “you don’t have to be able to run so long as you can hit the ball 420 feet”
Clearly some of you are intellectually incapable of reading and or understanding even the simplest concept.
Mariano is the greatest closer in the history of baseball. He is now 41 years old and he has had three really poor outings in a row. Those are all facts.
The reality is, that no one knows why. He might be injured, his skills may be diminishing, or it may just be a temporary slump. No one knows.
Now the cutter, or lack thereof, is starting to worry me.
This is the third time in his career he has given up HRs in consecutive games. Make of that what you will.
HHH – thanks for the facts. It corrects the posters here who blindly say he does this every August.
DocTodd – BaseballProspectus runs a blog item called “tater trot tracker” that tracks how long guys take to run the bases, look for that tomorrow.
here is yesterday’s… http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=14764
“He has missed games with arm soreness in the past. He didn’t even go on the DL. It was also almost 2 months ago… that has nothing to do with him blowing a game or 2 in August.”
That’s not the point. Again, I implore you, realize he’s almost 42. He can EASILY be sore again. Come on, what do you think? That he and David Robertson feel the same right now? Of course not. Rivera is human. Do you really believe he’s not hurting right now? Whether it’s that same issue or a different one, he’s hurting in some way.
I believe that Rivera still has outstanding stuff. But he’s not going to have the opportunity to use it effectively if he is in fact pitching tired or injured instead of telling the team and taking some days off.
Chip August 11th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Chip – The only absurd thing is trying to argue sense with WCYF.
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Fair enough.
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Really? I won this exchange hands down it’s not even close. You both are talking out of your rear end professing to “know” why Mariano has pitched poorly.
Rivera’s avg fastball.
2009: 91.7
2010: 91.2
2011: 91.2
Rivera’s avg fastball.
2009: 91.7
2010: 91.2
2011: 91.1
Yankees Alex Rodriguez is scheduled to begin a rehab assignment tomorrow with Class A Tampa at Dunedin.
WCYF – I’m not talking about it at all, you’re just making more stuff up as is your M.O.? cute. You “won this exchange” well, that’s good for a laugh… it’s a wonder why you’re so popular around here.
Seems to me the Yankees won this game, and we have another one tomorrow. One reason I don’t spend much time at RAB is the continual carping about “small sample size”, but something could be said for applying it to the argument that Mariano is washed up. In the longer view, Mariano has done this for several years, then come back strong. Any problem in just seeing what happens now?
Actually those numbers should be.
2009: 91.7
2010: 92.2
2011: 92.1
tomingeorgia August 11th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Seems to me the Yankees won this game,
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They did??? You’d never know it from most of the comments in here.
If by chance the Yanks do want to give Rivera a rest with a 2 week DL trip the time is now.
It would hurt to not have against the Rays this weekend but after that its KC – Minn – Oak – Balt.
Rivera would be eligible to come back for 2 games against the O’s (for 1 warm up) before the Yanks head back to Boston for a 3 game set. Not that he couldn’t be preparing for some time before that assuming that he is not actually hurt.
I’m not the Yankees, I don’t know if he needs it or not. But if they feel a 2 week siesta would do him some good for home stretch and playoffs the time is now.
See??? His velocity has dropped since last year!!!
(and yes, that is a joke)
Anyone who claims to know that Mariano is washed up – or claims that he is just undergoing another temporary slump is absurd. No one knows, either is possible, as is an unknown injury or physical ailment.
Mo shouldn’t have even had to come into this game. He didn’t let the 2 guys on base before he came in, and he gave up a home run. big f’in deal.
Erin August 11th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Yankees Alex Rodriguez is scheduled to begin a rehab assignment tomorrow with Class A Tampa at Dunedin.
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Music to my ears…
contray to what the media portrays, hes been the most clutch yankee in the past 7 yrs…
I guess it’s more enjoyable to be hated than to be sensible….
…sigh…
“Anyone who claims to know that Mariano is washed up – or claims that he is just undergoing another temporary slump is absurd. No one knows, either is possible, as is an unknown injury or physical ailment.”
So if I understand you correctly, you are arguing vociferously that you don’t know.
The past doesn’t matter when you’re talking about a washed up player. Mo has been great as sook as the past three years. Stop this nonsense
MO is just no longer unhittable.
Hitters are hitting .315 against him on the road and have a 1.42 WHIP against him.
Lefties in general are hitting .270 against him.
He might not be done, but he’s also no longer the guy who you say “game over” when he enters the game anymore. He can be had. He is no longer getting beaten by fluke bloops and infield singles.
So much of his game is based on location now and getting hitters to stare at strikes. When hitters get wood on the bat, it is getting hit better than it has in his career.
Still one of the best, but no longer untouchable.
Wave Your Hat August 11th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
“Anyone who claims to know that Mariano is washed up – or claims that he is just undergoing another temporary slump is absurd. No one knows, either is possible, as is an unknown injury or physical ailment.” So if I understand you correctly, you are arguing vociferously that you don’t know.
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The reality is that he is 41 going on 42 and that no one performs at a peak level forever, even Mariano. It is plausible to consider that this rough stretch may be something more chronic than temporary.
The large point though is I am stating an indisputable fact directed at both sides. To claim anyone has knowledge as to why Mariano is pitching poorly defies credulity. No one knows.
Oh please Brian Heyman – this isn’t alarming, it’s what they call a slump. Mariano is apparently not allowed to have one. He’s going to be fine……..I’m just not worried.
On another note, Granderson continues to accumulate awesomeness – he’s been absolutely incredible. I don’t know where we’d be without him
thank you Chip for being the voice of reason
Doc lac
you got your birthday wish
I see our resident masquerading Red Sox fan is in full force trying to suggest Mo’s decline is happening before our eyes. When he shuts the door in the playoffs on the Red Sox, I hope you choke on your chowda.
He’s throwing 92mph with location. If he were hurt or toast he couldn’t do that. It’s a blip.
“It is plausible to consider that this rough stretch may be something more chronic than temporary…To claim anyone has knowledge as to why Mariano is pitching poorly defies credulity… ”
So it’s plausible to consider it, even though considering it defies credulity?
That strikes me as trying to have your cake and eat it too.
“accumulate awesomeness” I like the sound of that Betsy
“He might not be done, but he’s also no longer the guy who you say “game over” when he enters the game anymore”
Now that’s a fair assessment. Different from he’s toast or he is still vintage MO.
Wave Your Hat August 11th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
“It is plausible to consider that this rough stretch may be something more chronic than temporary…To claim anyone has knowledge as to why Mariano is pitching poorly defies credulity… ”
So it’s plausible to consider it, even though considering it defies credulity? That strikes me as trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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It is plausible to “consider” it. Meaning it’s a possibility and it it is not so outlandish so as to be discredited immediately.
That is quite different from claiming “to know” with certitude why he has pitched poorly.
Mo’s ball doesn’t move the way it use to, for sure when he’s done he’ll let them know he won’t hang around
“That is quite different from claiming “to know” with certitude why he has pitched poorly.”
OK, exactly which post do think claimed to know with certainty why Mo hasn’t pitched that well recently?
Kate, thanks – well, thanks Granderson for inspiring me. He’s just amazing, isn’t he?
“Oh please Brian Heyman – this isn’t alarming, it’s what they call a slump. Mariano is apparently not allowed to have one. He’s going to be fine……..I’m just not worried.”
Now that’s a switch. I’m worried (a bit), but Betsy’s not. Really, Betsy?
“On another note, Granderson continues to accumulate awesomeness – he’s been absolutely incredible.”
Two inning ending double plays, and an inning ending strikeout, bookending a game tying 2 run homer. I wonder what Grandy’s single-game WPA was today?
yes he certainly is
Hey did any of you guys notice the Yankees won today? No? Ok, go back to writing Mo’s obituary.
Wave Your Hat August 11th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
“That is quite different from claiming “to know” with certitude why he has pitched poorly.” OK, exactly which post do think claimed to know with certainty why Mo hasn’t pitched that well recently?
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Feel free to read up. There are those who claim that Mo’s pitching poorly is just another slump or blip – and there are those that contend he is no longer the same pitcher due to age or injury.
for me Mo is the main reason why the Yankees played in a won all those WS since he’s been here ….will he get back in the grove again ? If he’s not kiss getting into the WS goodbye
Wave, I don’t know what your problem is or why you are being so antagonistic – I never said anything to you so if you got a problem with me, tough.
IT’S ALARMING!!!!!! Or so some think.
HE’S INJURED. Or so some speculate.
HE’S OLD AND WASHED UP. Or so some claim.
HE’S HUMAN. The real answer.
“Wave, I don’t know what your problem is or why you are being so antagonistic – I never said anything to you so if you got a problem with me, tough.”
I’ve got zero problem with you and I wasn’t being antagonistic. Grandy had a weird day and you have to admit you do worry a lot.
Cano for a slam, Granderson for the tying runs. Mo gives up a home run late, but survives the inning. The Yankees win!
Wave, I’m sorry, but I guess with how things have gone on this blog, I have to assume any comment that sounds at all like an attack is.
I do worry, but I have never once worried about Mo. I have the utmost faith in him – I trust him at all times. If he says he’s ok, then he’s ok. Until he gives me real reason to worry by being in an extended slump, to me this is just a blip.
I was at work and only heard the game off and on, but since Grandy tied the game, that to me means more than his other at bats. Until then, the Yankees were doing nothing off of the Angels pitcher.
Yawn.
(1) Boston. Bad luck (Scutaro’s hit falls in, Nunez doesn’t cover 3rd).
(2) Angels Monday. Cutter doesn’t cut inside to Abreu. HR to right.
(3) Angels today. Cutter doesn’t cut inside again to the lefty. HR to right.
The issue (if there is one) is can the cutter continue to cut inside to lefties? The only question to answer. Mo has always said that he will retire if he doesn’t have the inside cutter anymore.
Still to early to tell. Even so, Mo can still paint the outside corner like he did in the third out today, so control is not an issue. The issue is if his signature pitch can continue to work after 15 years. Leave that one up to Larry Rothschild and Mo.
I declare myself the winner of all arguments on the blog today.
PittsburghYankeeFan – Mariano has had periods, almost every season that I can recall, where he loses the touch on his cutter for a few games to a week. The last bad run, as I remember, was May 2010, most notable for when he gave up a GS to Jason Kubel of Minnesota to lose a Sunday game at the Stadium.
After making modifications to his grip, he has always come back good as always. At least, in the past. While past performance does not guarantee the future, it is reassuring. Given that he still throws 92-93, I don’t think it’s a physical issue. It’s way too early to write him off, IMO.
Have a good night, Pittsburgh…..
Never posted here before, but I have been following the blog for about as long as I can remember (well like 4 years anyway), my issue today is not about Mo but rather with the blog in general. Is it just me or does it take a serious downturn when Brian Heyman is running things. Games been over for how many hours now and what do we get – nothin. I always groan to myself when I see that Heyman is running things for a stretch. He pales in comparison to Chad and Sam. Just my two cents (not like it will change anything).
Just popped in to say I’m not in the least worried about Mo.
I did read a poll however where 1000 its without brains or backbones were polled to see whether they believed that “nobody is afraid of Mo anymore” and 100% agreed that it was true.
That, by the way, was the proclamation made by the west coast sux fan pretend Yankee fan. Not “I don’t think anyone is afraid of Mo anymore”. It was “Reality folks. No one is scared of Mo anymore.”
But he is like the man on the Titanic who dressed up like a woman so he could get on one of the life boats. He’ll turn into a frontrunner whenever the winds shifts in a more favorable direction.
I just can’t wait until it gets to crunch time and Mo looks un-hittable again..this has literally happened once every year for the past four or five season. Mo blows a few games in a short period of time and then returns to form.
Granderson is now leading 2 of the 3 triple crown categories …….wonder if the media will notice. He has 14 more homers than Gonzalez and has scored almost 30 more runs.
So WCYF claims on a nearly daily basis how much smarter he is than everyone else but is going to whine all night about what’s wrong with Mo when this has been a pattern for him for most of his career?
Good grief.
Mo is actually throwing harder now than he was a couple of years ago. If his velocity is the same as it’s been all season, there’s no reason to think that he won’t figure things out quickly and do the same thing he’s always done.
Blake, in NY they haven’t noticed – why should the national media pay attention?
Betsy,
I can’t believe how Granderson is still flying under radars…..he’s putting up huge #s……he might score 140 runs.
And Robbie is at .303 now and is probably above .300 for good……
Blake, maybe if he dyed his hair blonde, the media would notice………..
They did notice him last year when he was struggling, conveniently enough
Betsy…..sad. he’s been one of the best players in baseball for over a year now.
Lets not forget another great day for the Captain too…It really is amazing how Derek is rarely mentioned here anymore.
Blake, yep……I guess it is possible for players to put up these numbers quietly….in NY. Somehow.
Derek is climbing towards that .280 mark…..he just looks so much better lately. Swinging it better vs righties which has been the issue……he never stopped murdering LHP. The Captain ain’t done yet…..
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Austin jackson looks like a budding superstar to me. #betterthangranderson
March 17, 2011
Mo is just making a few more mistakes than in the past. Some cutters didn’t cut, a few more pitches up resulting in more fly balls/hits. He’s 41, he’s not going to pitch quite as good as when he was 31. But Mo slightly declining still = excellent.
It’s ok to tear a player down because that kind of stuff gets people talking – it’s not ok to praise them apparently. What’s Jeter’s BA now?
Real tossup who leads the MVP race in NL:
Overall leaders in Triple crown areas and pitching:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/statistics
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Austin jackson looks like a budding superstar to me. #betterthangranderson
March 17, 2011
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Ha, someone should tweet that @SI_JonHeyman
What’s Jeter’s BA now?
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Betsy -
Jeter BA .276
Yankee stats:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/st.....rk-yankees
GF – west coast sux fan pretender Yankee fan is frighteningly stupid. He’s like one of those scardey cats whose knees fly in the air before the doctor comes anywhere near them with the reflex checker!
Keep an eye out for this though. He always builds himself an escape hatch. It went from “nobody is afraid of Mo anymore” to “maybe it’s a phase, we’ll have to wait and see.”
Frontrunner all the way, with everything. Always throws just enough out there to end up being able to claim victory no matter which way things go.
In his heart of hearts he beams whenever something appears to go wrong for the Yankees because the last thing he is is a Yankee fan. Sux all the way. Haven’t you seen him cry and gloat when the sux appear to do something good?
Granderson just doesn’t fit into the media/ESPN’s story that they want to tell. Adrian Gonzalez was the big trade the Red Sox made coming in to the season, he was going to be what made the Red Sox far and away the best team in baseball too. He’s in the best player in baseball and the truth matters not.
Granderson is having an equally impressive season, but somehow he’s lost in the shuffle on the Yankees team. Despite that he’s far and away the best player on the team. Despite the Red Sox having the “three MVP candidates,” Adrian Gonzalez is the sure fire bet anyways.
Yeah, screw ESPN. I saw them pull some BS sabermetric fielding stats that rate Granderson as the worst CF in baseball too. How can anyone that watches the game even justify that argument?
The way it runs here is when players do well they are ignored; when they’re struggling, it’s open season.
YT, thanks!
trisha,
nice to see you around. hopefully some of the past issues have dissipated.
with jeter, cano, and granderson getting hot and alex coming back, this team is poised to make a run. some more consistency amongst the starters and the al east is ours
Tampa vs. NY this weekend
Price vs. Sabathia 7:05
Hellickson vs. Hughes 4:10
Shields vs. Garcia 1:05
Will we know by Sunday night which of Burnett or Hughes is dropped from the rotation?
Why was Cervelli removed from the game today?
Glad to see you, trisha, you’ve called out the person for exactly what whoever it is is. There’s always a waffle, there’s always an out, and never a trace of wishing the yankees well. I’ve watched a few games in my life, don’t ever call a loss in the 4th, never call a couple of game slump a collapse, and never say die.
Yankee Trader August 11th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Why was Cervelli removed from the game today?
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I think Joe wanted Martin out there to possible be better able to steal a base? However, very curious move for sure. I questioned it at the time as well.
I imagine that question about Cervelli getting taken out got “lost in the sauce” with the way the 9th inning unfolded. That situation became the question of the day.
Lohud,
Where’s the postgame?
Why do people bother with that so-and-so? However you cut it, he’s a dope. So, why bother even reading anything he posts? Why get aggravated?
Life is too short to spend time on someone like that. The most damaging thing anyone can do is to ignore him. At some point, when he’s ignored enough, he’ll get tired and go away.
Cervelli was on 2nd when removed and replaced by Martin. Was Girardi giving him a breather so he could catch 2 days in a row with CC going tomorrow?
YT, I was hoping he’d been traded & that Montero was on his way to the Bronx. Then I remembered that the trade deadline was, um, over
yankeefeminista -
Ha ha! I had the same thought!
I see the Royals pitching lineup vs Yankees is
Paulino[1-8] vs TBD-Burnett or Nova
Duffy[3-6] vs TBD
TBD vs TBD
maybe cervelli gets sent down for jesus
lol, Villa.
yankeefeminista August 11th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
YT, I was hoping he’d been traded & that Montero was on his way to the Bronx. Then I remembered that the trade deadline was, um, over
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Cervelli loves being a Yankee. How cruel of you! Maybe he was placed on the DL with a minor injury and Montero is on his way from SWB as we speak, er blog!!LOL
Montero is playing tonight.
remember sj44? Did anyone ever hear about where he went after lohud?
When Cervelli was coming off the field, he was “fist-bumped” by everyone in the dugout, including Joe Girardi. Thus, it did not seem that his being taken out was punitive, but rather something planned.
I’m surprised it wasn’t brought up in the post-game. I know Mariano, Granderson, and Cano all took precedence, but it was a surprise move to the audience, and I thought one of the reporters might have it on their list of questions.
Maybe Brian will have it on his postgame thread, whenever it gets posted.
MTU-
Montero will still have time to get to NY for tomorrow’s game.
Joe-
I mentioned a few minutes ago, that maybe he was getting a breather if he’s catching two days in a row, as CC goes tomorrow night?????
Everyone should listen to Joe From LI and ignore the pretend “Yankee Fan”. I’ve been paying attention enough to realize he’s a demented Red Sox fan who comes in here almost every morning, noon and night pretending to be a Yankee fan. This is another deranged poster in a long line in this place.
Do yourself a favor normal Yankee fans and just ignore his nonsense. Really don’t know why someone would devote so many moments of their life pretending to be a fan of a team they hate on a message board. This isn’t the cold war here. Spies aren’t necessary Hoss.
Yankee Trader – makes as much sense as anything. Maybe even more sense than some things. I’d love for Montero to get a call-up, but I don’t see Cisco as being the one removed.
About Montero – maybe he comes up after Sept. 1, and if they want to add him to the 25-man post-season roster, DL somebody. It would have to be a catcher, so that kind of narrows it down. Cisco? Posada? A firestorm would come down……If Montero does well, there will not be an easy way out.
Joe-
I’m a little unclear how Montero can be added to the postseason roster if called up after Sept. 1st. I believe he has to be at least on the 40 man roster replacing a like position player [in this case DH or catcher] on the DL. Question is does the player on the DL have to be on the 60 day DL?
I’m attaching this:
To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 25 man active roster, (b) the disabled list, (c) the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight[citation needed].
The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team’s 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position (i.e. position player for position player, or pitcher for pitcher), with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.
YT-
Please allow me to break it down for you. Separate out all the legalize.
Cut to the chase as it were.
There is very little chance that Montero will be added to the playoff roster.
That would seem to be the takeaway.
It’s possible but highly unlikely.
New thread ==>
Trader – I think you’re description of the procedure to have someone on the post-season roster is correct. So, it would take some roster-manipulation to get Montero on the roster.
Personally, I’d bring him up sooner than later, so as to get the best evaluation of his hitting against ML pitching before having to make such a move. Again, who gets bumped? Ah, there’s the rub…..
There is very little chance that Montero will be added to the playoff roster.
That would seem to be the takeaway.
It’s possible but highly unlikely.
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MTU-
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Finally a new Post———->
The only way Montero can be added to the post season roster after 9/1 is if he takes the place of someone who is injured on the 25 man pre callups.
I’m really convinced that Montero is not in the Yankees plans this season at all. I think he’ll get a Sept callup and ride the bench and watch from the top step and learn from the players in the clubhouse.
My reasons for why they will do this are more nefarious than most. I think they want to protect his value in case Felix hits the market this winter. If he comes up and rakes the team would be crucified for trading him. If he comes up and doesn’t play, there isn’t much for the casual Yankee fan to get upset about if he’s dealt.
I also think they want to play Arod at DH when he comes back a lot.
Not to mention Jorge is blocking the obvious spot.
I don’t think Montero will be a factor this season. I hope I’m wrong though. I want to see him and I want him to succeed so the Yankees can’t trade him. We need young power bats who hit for avg.
lol @ no postgame being up yet
Brian Heyman sucks so bad
still can’t believe this guy has a job…. i guess no company gets ALL their evaluations right
SJ44 is on Twitter now at all times. Going crazy about Burnett and has been basically saying that the Yankees don’t have what it takes to win it all. 5 or 6 pieces short if I remember right.
I sucks how they’re treating Hughes. It’s like he’s being punished for his April starts which was mostly velocity issues. Save for 1 game he has pitched well since coming back. As I’ve mentioned before gjving up 2 runs or less in 4 of the 5 starts. I also don’t like when people say he’s pitched great his last start because of Nova. No, he pitched great because he was starting regularly and was gradually getting better. Now if he doesn’t do well on Saturday after not starting in 10 days. He will draw the short end to someone who hasn’t won since June. And who hasn’t won a game in August since joining this team.