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Yankees pregame: Pitching/Posada/A-Rod

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Joe Girardi indicated he probably will have his six-man rotation down to five by Sunday.

“We’re going to try to make our decision before we go into Kansas City,” Girardi said about Monday’s start to the road trip.

So does he know already what he’s going to do?

“Let’s just say if I did know, I’m going to announce it here today before we’re through with the rotation?” Girardi said. “No, it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s something we’ll continue to monitor. And you don’t know what’s going to happen in the next (few days). You have no idea.”   

*Bartolo Colon will start today. He hasn’t given the Yankees as much distance the last two starts, going five innings and then 4 2/3, although he only allowed two runs each time. Overall, though, Colon is 8-6 with a 3.33 ERA over 113 2/3 innings and 20 games, including 17 starts.

“He’s been the biggest surprise all year for us, pleasant surprise,” Girardi said, “because when he came to spring training, we had no idea what we were going to get from him. When we started the season, we weren’t sure how many innings we were going to get from him. He’s probably exceeded every one of our expectations. He’s one of the reason we are where we’re at.”

So will he be in the playoff rotation?

“I’m not going to get into that,” Girardi said. “Let’s just get to the playoffs first and then I can announce the rotation.”

Girardi doesn’t have any anxiety about what the 38-year-old Colon might have left for the rest of the season.

“I think the expectation from what I’ve seen is that he’ll just continue to do this now,” Girardi said. “Earlier on, I was a little bit worried about the innings as they started to mount. But now when I watch him pitch, I thought when he pitched against Boston (last Friday), he had some of the higher velocity we’d seen in the last four or five starts, some of the better stuff. So that made me feel pretty good.”

*Jorge Posada is buried on the bench now, but he will resurface at some point. 

“There are days I’m going to put him in there as a possible DH,” Girardi said. “He might be at first base and you DH Tex. There are some different things I can do. But obviously, yes, he’s going to need to play. I don’t have a game right now, though.”

*Alex Rodriguez is still on track to start his rehab assignment tomorrow as a DH. Girardi wasn’t sure about how long A-Rod would play at third Saturday in his second game, mentioning five or six innings as possibilities.

“I would think by Minnesota (Thursday) we’ll have him back,” Girardi said. “Will we have him in Kansas City? I don’t know.”

 
 

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52 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Pitching/Posada/A-Rod”

  1. blake August 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Hopefully they are planning to get the rotation down to 5 by Sunday because they want to bring Montero up Monday :)

  2. Chip August 11th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 11th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    LGY-

    AGon gets high marks for defense, but CF defense is more important than 1B defense. But, the MVP is generally awarded on Triple Crown numbers so if I weren’t a Yankee fan I’d probably vote for AGon. However, as a Yankee fan I think a vote for Granderson is perfectly defensible given how close the two are offensively on a sabremetric basis and bonus points for Granderson manning CF.

    —————-

    and as I said on the last thread – Gonzalez is going to lose votes to Pedroia and Ellsbury. In what is a close debate that could make the difference.

  3. Chip August 11th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    blake August 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    Hopefully they are planning to get the rotation down to 5 by Sunday because they want to bring Montero up Monday

    ————

    You’re a broken record but I like your tune

  4. Warning Track Power August 11th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    What a tough decision regarding the 5 man rotation. I’ll take a wild guess here:
    C.C.
    Nova
    A.J.
    Colon
    Garcia

    Hughes demoted to the bullpen because of his previous success as
    a short reliever.

  5. Against All Odds August 11th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    # blake August 11th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Hopefully they are planning to get the rotation down to 5 by Sunday because they want to bring Montero up Monday :)

    ——————————-

    Montero Monday :D

  6. Doc Iac August 11th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    basicly whoevers team wins the division has the advantage for MVP

  7. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Mike_Vorkunov Girardi said #Yankees will cut starting rotation to 5 before trip to Kansas City Monday. Means AJ Burnett has made last chance to impress

  8. G. Love August 11th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Chip,

    How can he lose votes to Pedroia & Ellsbury if the writers vote him 1st on the ballet & the other 2 guys get 2nd and 3rd place votes? The only way he loses votes is if for some reason all the writers are confused about what happened in Boston this year, but Gammons and the Boston fan press (which extends across the country) will make it clear that there is a 1-2-3 ranking amongst those 3 guys to make sure no one slips Ellsbury or Pedroia a 1st place vote in error.

  9. 86w183 August 11th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Pedroia isn’t in the conversation.

    The stretch run will determine which of the Sawx guys (Ellsbury/AGonz) emerges as his team’s MVP and that should get down to Granderson VS _____ , though Miguel Cabrera gets consideration if he has a big finish and the Tigers win the Central.

    I’d bet on Alex playing in Kansas City.

  10. tomingeorgia August 11th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Erin,
    Relax bout the years passing. You are nowhere near 70 yet.

  11. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    86w183 August 11th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
    Pedroia isn?t in the conversation.

    *********************

    you mean he doesn’t get extra points for the Smurf movie coming out???

  12. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Tom-yeah, I have a while ’til I get to 70. :)

  13. blake August 11th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    “you mean he doesn’t get extra points for the Smurf movie coming out???”

    :)

  14. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Phil has exactly one shot to make his case, so he can’t just pitch “ok” on Saturday – he needs to pitch really well. If he does and they still go with AJ, that pretty much tells you all you need to know about how they feel about him going forward because they know that AJ won’t be anymore than he already is.

  15. m August 11th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Actually, “splitting the votes” doesn’t help Granderson here.

    Because if some writer put A-gon, Granderson, Ellsbury, and Pedroia and someone else put Ellsbury, Agon, Granderson. And then someone from Detroit put Cabrera, Gonzalez, and so on and so forth, then people are still getting points even if they are splitting the vote.

    Unfortunately, there are lots of good candidates.

  16. Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Splitting the vote is how Jeter lost his MVP.

  17. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    WTP, thanks for posting the Jorgie ESPN piece.

    The writer obviously is a hater, but I think there’s weight to what he says. I still would not Jorge to sound off at the Yankees, not for their sake, but for his own. The way they treated Bernie was a tipoff for what was to come. Rivera was ticked off by that, no question, when he pretended to play hardball with the club. I believe those comments never get made if he hadn’t been disgusted by the way they dumped Bernie.

    I continue disavow the comments here that Jorge can’t hit anymore. He’s not the same hitter he once was, but that stretch where he got into a groove, hitting doubles into the gap, right before NL road trip and unfortunate ASB right after it, is what Jorge can still do. The problem is, the long layoff (& I think one game at 1B, plus one PH appearance against NL) and lack of work vs. LHP have snowballed. The older you get, the longer you need to get back in rhythm. They don’t want to give a 40-year old without a true position & on the last year of his deal that time, I get that. But it’s confirmation bias to assume he couldn’t return to being productive. The Yankees “tried” him at DH with an eye toward phasing him out, from GO.

    The thing is, they need to act quickly to replace those PAs with Montero, if they don’t want to appear gratuitous, which they certainly do.

  18. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    It’s too early to really be talking MVP, but I don’t think Granderson will get it – I’m not even sure he’d be in the top 3 (even though he should)

  19. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Kristen_MarieNY Bernie Williams will be in Cooperstown tomorrow! Reserve your free tickets! Go to http://www.bernie51.com for details.

  20. UnKnown August 11th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Come on Joe one more time with the 6 man rotation. I want to see CC pitch live next week and right now he is scheduled to go Wednesday I would think. The only game out of the 7 that I am going to miss.

    At least Alex is coming back at some point.

  21. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Joba keeping busy:

    Joba_62 Is their any cartoon better than the old school Tom and Jerry?

  22. Warning Track Power August 11th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    WTP, thanks for posting the Jorgie ESPN piece.

    The writer obviously is a hater, but I think there’s weight to what he says. I still would not Jorge to sound off at the Yankees, not for their sake, but for his own. The way they treated Bernie was a tipoff for what was to come. Rivera was ticked off by that, no question, when he pretended to play hardball with the club. I believe those comments never get made if he hadn’t been disgusted by the way they dumped Bernie.

    I continue disavow the comments here that Jorge can’t hit anymore. He’s not the same hitter he once was, but that stretch where he got into a groove, hitting doubles into the gap, right before NL road trip and unfortunate ASB right after it, is what Jorge can still do. The problem is, the long layoff (& I think one game at 1B, plus one PH appearance against NL) and lack of work vs. LHP have snowballed. The older you get, the longer you need to get back in rhythm. They don’t want to give a 40-year old without a true position & on the last year of his deal that time, I get that. But it’s confirmation bias to assume he couldn’t return to being productive. The Yankees “tried” him at DH with an eye toward phasing him out, from GO.

    The thing is, they need to act quickly to replace those PAs with Montero, if they don’t want to appear gratuitous, which they certainly do.
    ***********************************************************
    I disagree with you.
    I’m not sure the Yankees could have done anything different to improve the situation with Posada.
    Posada was the DH, but when his productivity declined, his at bats were given to someone else.
    That’s the nature of the game. Whether we are discussing a 40 yr old with five WS rings, or a 20 yr old rookie.

    Posada has admitted that he has put himself in this position. I’m glad he does not like it, because that proves to me he still has a passion for the game.
    Posada won’t quit and because of everything he has done for the Yankees since ’96, I truly believe the Yankees won’t release him during the season, caught embarrassment, etc…
    The team is doing him a favor out of respect and if Posada was a better player this season, he would be getting a lot of at bats right now.

  23. Mell August 11th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Means AJ Burnett has made last chance to impress

    ==============================

    Probably not as much as means that Hughes has one last chance to impress.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Cano should be having a season to be in that MVP mix. I hope he can finish up strong. I don’t know if that hand thing has troubled him, or getting hit on the leg, but he’s had some really out-of-it PAs.

    It’s humorous to listen to O’Neill wax poetic about Cano’s bat. It’s because his talent takes the breath away. O’Neill’s comments, especially when he was on Kay’s radio show, have a plaintive quality to them. He is awestruck by the bat & wants to see it murdering the league…There is no one better in terms of pure ability in all of baseball than Robinson Cano, on both sides of the ball, and guys like O’Neill know it. I kinda miss Joe Morgan’s ESPN tributes to Cano’s glove…only time I could tolerate his voice, practically…

  25. m August 11th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    But Jeter didn’t have 2.5 worthy candidates from one team in the race with him.

  26. Mell August 11th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Oops. Misread that Burnett statement.

    Based on the way Girardi’s been talking, and because Hughes has a history of success in the pen, I think Burnett is safe and it’s Hughes who will be the odd man out. Fact that they skipped over him the last time thru is telling as well.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I disagree with you.
    I’m not sure the Yankees could have done anything different to improve the situation with Posada.
    ///

    Oh, no? They couldn’t have batted him 9th against a team that wasn’t Boston, before a National audience with ridiculous coverage??

    They couldn’t have gone public with their decision to send him to the bench against the White Sox? But just HAD to do that, again, against Boston, before a National audience??

    Please.

  28. luis August 11th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Hi everyone,

    In my humble opinion, the MVP should go to Bautista, unless he tanks the rest of the season, giving legs to the stealing signs acusations. If he does, then it comes down to Cabrera, Gonzales or Granderson who are the respective MVP`s of their teams.

    JAP,

    How are you?, completely in agreement, free jesus!!

  29. m August 11th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    That is to say there are more worthy challengers for Granderson than Jeter had.

  30. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    Mell-totally agree @12:57

  31. Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    m – actually santana got a first place vote on the twins that year, mauer didn’t get any 1st place and obviously Morneau did.

  32. Mell August 11th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Splitting the vote is how Jeter lost his MVP.

    =======================

    In 2006?

  33. RayVT August 11th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I totally agree with you!

  34. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Mell, what skipping him last out told me is that Nova was the guy. Phil is no longer the hot young prospect he was – he’s still relatively young, but he’s had major issues staying healthy (if you can’t stay on the mound, how does that help the team) and obviously has had some performance issues. He’s a guy that has to prove himself all over again – I really think he has to be absolutely dominant in order for him to stay out of the pen. Like Blake said before, it should either be the rotation or AAA – but even then how many innings is he really going to get? Either next year or 2013 he’s going to have innings issue – and he won’t be that young by then. I think if he doesn’t win the 5th spot out of ST next year, he’ll be put in the pen permanently.

  35. Irreverent Discourse August 11th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    maybe the yankees aren’t concerned with things like a national audience or a boston game when there are team decisions to be made.

  36. champ809 August 11th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Chip August 11th, 2011 at 11:55 am
    “After reading about Bryce Harper’s latest meltdown I have a feeling we’re going to look back on this kid in 10 years the way we look at Milton Bradley now.

    Talented player that no one wants on their team.”
    *************************************************************

    10 years from now we’ll all be loving him for hitting 50-60HRS a yr playing a great RF in Yankee Pinstripes and comparing him to the modern day Mantle….

    I think most of the writers are aware of the fact that Ellsbury and Pedroia are enjoying the protection that AGon is providing them and feasting on fastballs night after night.

  37. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Hughes’ success in the pen won’t mean much (and he was awful in the post-season) because he’ll be a mop up guy/long man……how much is he going to pitch?

  38. m August 11th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I’m confused. And too busy to look it up. But the one that burned was the one where the Detroit writer left Jeter off the ballot.

  39. Chip August 11th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    The Yankees gave Jorge a lot of rope…a lot more than he probably deserved this season.

    He’s a terrible defensive catcher who no longer has a body that could hold up to catching – they had to bring in others to work behind the plate.

    Girardi kept him in the lineup almost every day despite pathetic numbers. The fact that it took until now for Girardi to finally say “we can’t do this anymore” is testament to the respect that he and the organization have for Posada.

    He had one good stretch – one good two week stretch out of 4 months of baseball. The rest of the time he has looked lost at the plate. It has gotten to the point where you hope he strikes out with runners on because the alternative is almost certainly a ground ball double play.

    The fact is that if his name wasn’t Jorge Posada the club would have not just benched him, but cut him, long before now.

  40. luis August 11th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Betsy,

    Hughes still has a ton of upside……but his window of oportunity will shrink dramaticly when the B`s are ready to comopete for a spot in the rotation in the not so distant future ( 2012 or 2013 ), so he better make his case sooner rather than later

  41. Warning Track Power August 11th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
    I disagree with you.
    I’m not sure the Yankees could have done anything different to improve the situation with Posada.
    ///

    Oh, no? They couldn’t have batted him 9th against a team that wasn’t Boston, before a National audience with ridiculous coverage??

    They couldn’t have gone public with their decision to send him to the bench against the White Sox? But just HAD to do that, again, against Boston, before a National audience??

    Please.
    *********************************
    Please tell me you’re only joking.

    Read what Chip just wrote above.
    Posada was given plenty of rope because his name is Posada.

  42. Erin August 11th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Game Post up

    :arrow:

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    JAP,

    How are you?, completely in agreement, free jesus!!
    ///

    Luis, my man! How’s it with you, bro? I’m alright. Little melancholy on witnessing the end of Posada’s Yankee career, but I’ll feell somewhat solaced if one great Yankee catcher hands to baton to the next generation’s: Jesus Montero. That’s how I see it…

    FREE JESUS!

  44. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Luis, that last chance may be next year

  45. UnKnown August 11th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Whoa, what were those fastballs to ayabar clocked at. Bart is firing today.

  46. luis August 11th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Jap,

    In deed, very sad….I wish it could have happened in a diferent way, but that`s life.

    Betsy,

    Yes, i think so too.

    Enjoy the game folks!!! Go Yankees!!!

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Please tell me you’re only joking.
    ///

    Um, no, I’m not joking. I don’t really find any of this funny. If you think they chose those dramatic backdrops, with the whole world watching to demonstrate how tough they are, by accident…

  48. Bronx Jeers August 11th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Hughes is in danger of getting lapped by the generation behind him. Then again achieving what Hughes has achieved is easier said than done.

  49. Betsy August 11th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Bronx, yes he is……..

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    He had one good stretch – one good two week stretch out of 4 months of baseball. The rest of the time he has looked lost at the plate. It has gotten to the point where you hope he strikes out with runners on because the alternative is almost certainly a ground ball double play.
    //

    He was trying to do something he’d never done before. He started to get the hang of it, because he’s a talented hitter, & unfortunate timing, the NL trip followed by the ASB, got him off track again.

    The problem is not that he can’t hit, it’s that he had nowhere to play on the roadtrip to keep his bat hot. You hoping he strikes out seems confirmation bias to me…you don’t root for him to succeed, but I do, because I watched him do just that for 15 years…

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Yeah, I read his pontificating post. I don’t agree with him, or you, WTP.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    RayVT August 11th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock August 11th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I totally agree with you!
    ///

    RayVT, not saying all, but there are some among us here who never liked Posada to begin with, tainting what they say, IMO…this is their little day in the sun, that’s why they come on so strong & all indignant…


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