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Yankees postgame: Sabathia struggling, too

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 12, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Now the Yankees’ two most reliable pitchers are struggling, CC Sabathia and Mariano Rivera.

Sabathia gave up a franchise-record-tying five homers and a season-high-tying 10 hits in the 5-1 loss to the Rays.

“It’s a humbling sport,” Sabathia said. “Today was definitely humbling.”

Last time out, he gave up a season-worst seven runs in a 10-4 loss at Fenway. And the time before that, he only gave up two runs over eight, but he also allowed 10 hits in a 3-2 win over the White Sox. The fastball command has been faulty of late. Four of the homers came off fastballs. He’s up to 190 2/3 innings, but Joe Girardi said his fastball was still humming at 96, 97. So the manager doesn’t think it’s fatigue.

“I just think players go through this,” Girardi said. “If this game was easy, there would be a lot of more big-league players and a lot more teams.”

Rivera just got to watch the game after three straight off outings this week.

“Mo’s a victim of his own success,” Mark Teixeira said. “This guy has been lights-out, automatic for 15-plus years, and so if he has a bad week, the bells start going off. That’s the world that he’s created.”

“Hopefully, we can get back on track,” said Sabathia, who has lost consecutive starts for only the third time since joining the Yankees for the 2009 season.

Meanwhile, the Yankees couldn’t get on track against David Price, who allowed just the run and six hits over eight. He mixed his pitches and hit his spots.

“They weren’t getting really good swings out there tonight,” Rays manager Joe Maddon said. “David had good command of his off-speed pitches.”

 *Alex Rodriguez’s rehab assignment began well – first swing, home run. He went 2 for 3 with the solo shot and an RBI double for Single-A Tampa at Dunedin, working as the DH until leaving for a pinch hitter in the seventh. Saturday night at Dunedin, he will play about half the game at third. There’s a chance he will be playing at Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Tuesday night and Wednesday night, according to Brian Cashman.

*Saturday’s starters are Phil Hughes and Jeremy Hellickson. Derek Jeter will be honored for his 3,000 accomplishment prior to the 4:10 game. The gates will open at 2, and fans are encouraged to be parked in their seats at 3:45.

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45 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Sabathia struggling, too”

  1. DFox August 13th, 2011 at 12:05 am

    If only Teixeira could hit like he talks!

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    More philosophical gems from Girardi.

    “If this game was easy, there would be a lot of more big-league players and a lot more teams.”

    Maybe Topeka and Austin huh Joe?

  3. fantasygame101 August 13th, 2011 at 12:16 am

    I think this group after winning in 2009 has become complacent. I hope they show some edge and fire. When they loss, they should show that they are angry and not content however the other team plays. Plus the team is too much single dimesional in the type of players, asdide from gardner and maybe nunez, they are all swing and miss type batters meaning they can do a lot of damage with one swing or be an unproductive out. In 2009, they have damon and matsui to provide a different dimension.

  4. Bo knows August 13th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Oh yeah, we’ve hit the heights – Yappity whack and the Fifth Dimension.

  5. P August 13th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Tex is batting .200 the last 10 games.. he is absolutely worthless when it comes to games that matter.. yeah he hit that one HR in the post season 2009 that just barely made it over… but that is all he’s done.. seems like ever since he slumped in the post season (wasn’t he 3 for 39 or there abouts??) he never hit for average again..

    seriously Tex hitting .240/.250 is not what we expected when we signed him.. it’s Giambi all over again.. with better Defense.

    I just don’t even know what to say about Tex, but I use to really enjoy watching him play his entire career… but now whenever he’s up I can’t help but expect an out.

    I’d seriously like this team to rebuild entirely .. but damn near everybody has a no trade clause!!

  6. Ed Whitson August 13th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    Tex is not even as good as Giambi at the plate. Right now. That’s a sad fact but only one of Ca$hman’s many, many mistakes.

  7. igotid88 August 13th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    I’ll probably repeat this again later. But I find it odd that each Yankee pitcher can struggle. Yet it’s Hughes who has to always prove himself.

  8. I Am Winning August 13th, 2011 at 1:54 am

    The Yankees are playing like garbage, not just Teixeira.

    P, saying he is an automatic out is absolutely ridiculous. You obviously don’t know baseball. Every player in the majors, that is hitting from .200 – .300, gets 2 or 3 hits, per 10 at bats. because Teixeira is hitting around .250, he is an automatic out? 1 extra hit per 10 at bats means nothing if it isn’t in a meaningful situation. If you’re going to complain find some merit in it first. For example, Teixeira’s outs, more-so this year than any other year, are due to strikeouts (less walks), and pop ups (more homers.) The strikeouts appear that he may not be seeing the ball too well(as well as mechanical issues), and the extra popups can possibly mean he is feeling the pressure from the lower average and walks, trying to make something happen by swinging for the fences every-time. At the very least bring up a good argument instead of pointing out that he is an automatic out, which is pure crap.

    Ed Whitson, I like your thinking, maybe you should be the GM of the Yankees. You’ll probably be lucky to be McDonalds General Manager. I say that because you’re a complete idiot. I do not believe you were not elated to find out that Cashman signed him, now he is struggling, and you hate him. Get over yourself, your baseball knowledge is not that intensive, obviously.

  9. m August 13th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    I’ll probably repeat this again later. But I find it odd that each Yankee pitcher can struggle. Yet it’s Hughes who has to always prove himself.
    ____________________________________________________________

    That’s what happens when you come into camp out of shape!

  10. igotid88 August 13th, 2011 at 2:03 am

    m August 13th, 2011 at 1:57 am
    I’ll probably repeat this again later. But I find it odd that each Yankee pitcher can struggle. Yet it’s Hughes who has to always prove himself.
    ____________________________________________________________

    That’s what happens when you come into camp out of shape!
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    i read that he wasn’t that out of shape. either way punished for the whole year?

  11. m August 13th, 2011 at 2:07 am

    lol, igotid. It was sarcasm. Only one person was harping on that, even at this point of the season. And even though his shoulder was the problem.

  12. pft2 August 13th, 2011 at 3:45 am

    Don’t worry, KC and the Twins up next week. Yankees kill bad teams. Unfortunately, they won’t see many of them in the playoffs.

    I thought either CC or Martin was tipping pitches inadvertently. Rays hitters seemed to know what was coming and Maddon had this smrik on his face after each HR.

    Don’t want to hear about CC for the Cy Young until he starts getting the job done against good teams on a consistent basis. There are not many good teams in the AL so this weakness is overwhelmed by his impressive stats against bad/mediocre teams. Rays are not even a good hitting team, their strength is pitching.

  13. 4 train August 13th, 2011 at 3:46 am

    big start for the guy formerly known as young master hughes .there was a blogger her who was very high on hughes. he insisted that he’d be an ALLStar and win close to 20 games. the kid did this and now is on betsys hit list as the most least deserving to wear pinstripes. texeria is a close second to hughes and all he does is hit 35-40 homer runs and drives in 130 runners. he has the best glove in baseball since his idol don mattingly. and now he too is a bum..BETSY CHIC, do I this alright so far..far out dude

  14. Keith--FL August 13th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    This Yankee team has the look of a wild card round exit based on beating up on bad teams……offense is way too inconsistent which is the primary problem only exacerbated by Cashman continuously saying we have a championship style offense as if he is not even watching the games and only looking at the stats….we barely have a player (Cano) hitting .300 and we are way too homer dependent…..if the Angels had their best pitchers going like they would in a playoff series, they would have swept us in the last series……Cashman really seems to enjoy his personality these days and the smoking of the objective pipe comment about Burnett was the last straw as far as I’m concerned, its time for him to go even if its a change for change sake and get a new GM with new ideas, shake up the organization a bit, especially about bringing in youth from the minors, etc…..

  15. Bring in the Goose August 13th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Would like to see

    Gardner
    jeter
    granderson
    arod
    cano
    teixeira
    Chavez
    swisher
    Martin

  16. blake August 13th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Really hope Phil just shoves it today and.makes Cash take a puff of his own objective pipe. Go Yanks!

  17. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Good morning Blake-

    I didn’t get to see the game last night but I watched the clips of each of the 5 homeruns.

    “Four of the homers came off fastballs. He’s up to 190 2/3 innings, but Joe Girardi said his fastball was still humming at 96, 97. So the manager doesn’t think it’s fatigue.”

    Based on the replay:
    #1-Kotchman hit an up and in 93mph fastball
    #2-Shoppach hit a down the middle 86mph changeup
    #3-Damon hit a down the middle 96mph fastball
    #4-Johnson hit a down the middle[Martin set up low] 92mp fastball
    #5-Longoria hit a 93mph fastball

    From NY Daily news:

    Sabathia (16-7), who allowed a season-high seven earned runs last Saturday to Boston, was pitching on five days’ rest for the seventh time this year. The added rest had worked in his favor, with the lefty going 4-1 in such starts and pitching at least eight innings four times.

    Am I missing something about his velocity of 92-93 on 3 of the homers he gave up?

  18. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    It’s a shame, but it sounds like, with a boost of confidence from Cashman for his 16.5M/year pitcher, that no matter what Hughes does today, he’s probably not going to the pen, but going to the minors to stay stretched out for the upcoming DH the 27th.

    Will Cashman placate the fans here and bring up Montero in the interim?

  19. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I don’t know how anyone can make a generalization on what the Yankees will or will not do in the playoffs.

    For several years in the 2000′s the Yankees had a juggernaut offense, were predicted to slice through other playoff team like butter, only to falter. The Angels come to mind, the Tigers, and the Indians. They also lost to the Marlins and was it the Angels a second time? (There’s a year in that timeframe that I choose to ignore.)

    Anyway, my larger point is you just can’t predict playoff results.

    Also, I sure wish people would appreciate what this team has done/is doing, while not once operating on all cylinders. One thing or another (and at times several things) have been missing.

    Also, if Mariano and CC are going to have their “dog days,” better now than in September/October.

    As for Hughes, what will be will be. I sincerely believe the Yankees are less vindictive than many are saying. Hughes is low man on the totem pole for a few reasons, some of his own doing, some out of his control.

    As far as Cashman sticking up for AJ, I’m glad he did. I’m upset with the overall picture of AJ’s season. Again he started out very well, only to become less and less dependable. BUT he has had games which he could have won had he gotten some run support. What’s troubling to me is that in the overall picture, he seems to fall short, and it’s a very strange picture, indeed: When his team doesn’t score runs, he seems to keep them in the game (which would be a good thing, or should be), but when they DO score him runs, he gives them right back. Some of his losses are on the offense, but I wonder if the offense and defense behind him are a little (I don’t know what word to use, so I’ll use:) tentative when he’s on the mound. Who knows? And ultimately, what matters is the media has gone overboard in trashing AJ and kudos to Cash for trying to balance it out.

    The fact is, they need AJ; apparently he’s a little fragile in the self-esteem category. Cash was in damage control mode.

  20. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Also –

    Hughes/AJ – There is no choice here. Hughes has an option, AJ does not.

    Even if they chose to send one to the bullpen, Hughes has experience there, AJ does not.

    This is not about who is necessarily better, but what can realistically be done.

    And it’s certainly not about they’re being annoyed with Hughes. (I’d think if they’re “annoyed” at all, it’s probably equally dispersed between the two.)

  21. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Villa-

    Good post and good morning.

    As of August 7th Run support for each of the 6 starters:
    Hughes 6.75
    Nova 6.44
    Sabathia 5.96
    Burnett 4.74
    Garcia 4.65
    Colon 4.53

  22. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    “their” being annoyed, not they’re.

  23. Gary August 13th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Miserable Game last night. I read all the latest excuses from the Yanks and listened to Joe’s comments. I read a previous post regarding the ability to extrapolate in season performance to playoff performance. I guess to me the most telling statistic is the Yanks inability to hit opposing good pitchers. In the playoff you have to expect that you will face the best teams and the best pitchers. The offense has to wakeup against these guys and start hitting as our pitching staff won’t be able to handle that type of pressure. Miserable ninth inning ending with smiling Nick waving at the pitch for the final strikout.

  24. paulp August 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    A word on Cashman’s remarks on AJ- This sounds like the end of Cashman’s tenure. Why is he supporting AJ? Trade value? no value with that contract. A defensive statement about a player that is overpaid and underdelivers- there must be a rift in management. I like Cashman but I do think it is time for new blood.

  25. 108 stitches August 13th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Statement day. If Hughes pitches a gem and still gets sent out or to the bullpen, it’s clear as a bell that Burnett’s contract rules in the mind of Cashman no matter how much he stinks it up on the mound.

  26. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    I don’t like the words out of Cashman’s mouth with respect to the “objective pipe” needing to be smoked. He is playing Yankee fans for fools. The right words would have been that we still believe in AJ but at some point he needs to step up and at some point, results do matter.

    I also don’t like the way Cashman and Girardi are allowing a .220 hitting starting catcher with a B/U that can’t catch and can barely hit .240.

    Tell me again, why is Montero in the minors and Cervelli in the majors, what point does it really serve?

  27. LGY August 13th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Hopefully CC’s struggles are not tied to when he went back out there after the 2nd rain delay. He hasn’t been the same since.

    I’m starting to think that Joe has a bet with Leyland over who can destroy their Ace’s throwing arm first.

  28. Gary August 13th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    paulp August 13th, 2011 at 8:41 am
    A word on Cashman’s remarks on AJ- This sounds like the end of Cashman’s tenure. Why is he supporting AJ? Trade value? no value with that contract. A defensive statement about a player that is overpaid and underdelivers- there must be a rift in management. I like Cashman but I do think it is time for new blood.

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    Nothing out of caracter with his comments. It not the style or the style we want to see of players getting thrown under the bus. I think their are tough conversations but they occur behind closed doors. Tough with pitchers, AJ knows he’s not getting it done as does Mo and CC and Phil from their latest outings, so they don’t exactly need to be told that. Pitcher confidence is a fickle thing and you need to keep it up. Bad comments won’t do anything to make the situation any better.

  29. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Gary, I agree, there is no value in throwing your players under the bus. However, I believe there is value in challenging key players to perform up to high expectations, both publicly and privately(of-course).

  30. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Sure, last night’s game stunk. But David Price is not chopped liver out there, even in a so-so year for him.

    I would not have sent Swisher home earlier in the game – he’s a slow runner, and although it did take a good throw to get him, it was early enough in the game to be patient and try and let the next hitter drive him home.

    Last night’s game was about a very strange 5 solo homeruns off CC. Very strange. Strange enough so that I kind of have to pretend it didn’t happen. Because aside from those HRs the Rays didn’t do any other damage. Full moon in full swing (no pun intended).

  31. Gary August 13th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 8:44 am
    I don’t like the words out of Cashman’s mouth with respect to the “objective pipe” needing to be smoked. He is playing Yankee fans for fools. The right words would have been that we still believe in AJ but at some point he needs to step up and at some point, results do matter.

    I also don’t like the way Cashman and Girardi are allowing a .220 hitting starting catcher with a B/U that can’t catch and can barely hit .240.

    Tell me again, why is Montero in the minors and Cervelli in the majors, what point does it really serve?

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Catching is a tough situation. I like the way Martain handles the pitchers, can throw out runners, blocks the plate and gets enough hitting. It by far it is not our worst issue.

    The situation with Posada is a disaster. Rosters are still limited and we have a palyer that deosn’t play. Were he not a member of the core three or on another team he would have been gone. Kudo’s to Joe for benching him, but Brian it’s a business and it’s not keeping with having our best players out there.

  32. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Gary-

    The Yankees have beaten Greinke, Lester, Price, Gio Gonzalez, Romero, Marcum all pretty good pitchers.
    The ones they have had consistent trouble against this year are Beckett and Shields. Others?

    I wonder if the lack of come from behind late inning offense will hurt them in the playoffs. The Rays had their 9th walk-off win the other night. The Red Sox seem to come from behind with regularity.

  33. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    The way the Yankees roll (Cash and Joe G) is they rarely challenge players publicly, unless the players are rookies or relatively young. Girardi in this case never misses a chance to call a young player out, such as Nunez. I guess its his way of showing that he can call a player out….

    The Yankees in fact seem to prefer communication that downplays, minimizes, and essentially dismisses player performance of most of their established veterans.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    What do you propose they do with AJ if Phil pitches a gem today?

    They can skip him in the rotation. But that’s a temporary fix. They can give him a fake injury and DL him, I guess.

    Do you really want to see AJ in the bullpen? His mindset aside, he’s got no experience there. They’ve expressed concern about his ability to warm up quickly.

    They can’t send him down to keep him stretched out.

    I don’t see Garcia or Colon being sent to the pen either.

    Hughes is the guy who for practical reasons gives them the most flexibility here.

  35. Shame Spencer August 13th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    I think if Phil pitches well today he may have earned himself a temporary spot in AAA. I know everyone thinks he’ll be in the pen and you’re all likely correct but I just don’t know how many innings he’s going to get out there, I’d rather have a stretched out Phil for next season than one who’s development has been stunted.. again.

  36. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Villa,, it was Girardi that said there is competition for the 5 spots, with Nova having wrapped up a spot earlier this week. And it Girardi that said the situation would be settled this w/e.
    So if what Girardi was saying was the truth, and Hughes goes out and pitches a gem, than there is no way Hughes should be sent down, in fact, Noesi should be sent down, and AJ switched to the pen.

    However, if this was all a competition in name only, and it was all about public spin, which I believe it is, I believe Cashman and Girardi will put Hughes in the pen and AJ will continue to get the starts. They can justify Hughes in the pen by saying he has done it before and they will keep him stretched out….

  37. Gary August 13th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 8:53 am
    What do you propose they do with AJ if Phil pitches a gem today?

    They can skip him in the rotation. But that’s a temporary fix. They can give him a fake injury and DL him, I guess.

    Do you really want to see AJ in the bullpen? His mindset aside, he’s got no experience there. They’ve expressed concern about his ability to warm up quickly.

    They can’t send him down to keep him stretched out.

    I don’t see Garcia or Colon being sent to the pen either.

    Hughes is the guy who for practical reasons gives them the most flexibility here.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I’ve commented previously that when AJ”s pitch count gets up his performance goes down. His early meltdowns in the early innings during last years second half don’t seem to be the problem this year. AJ is a pitcher that you can leave out there too long. To me Joe doesn’t hook him quick enough when he just doesn’t have good control, or his pitch count gets high.

    I don’t like him as a bullpen guy, I’d like to see him as part of a Soriano, Robertson, Rivers train to shutdown teams in the late innings of his start.

  38. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Getting rid of Posada is damaging to the organization long term, albeit not on the field. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

    Anyway if you watch Jorge, he is on the bench engaged with the game and with other players. He still offers leadership, and he will play occasionally – give Tex a day off at 1st.

    It’s not the best situation and it’s not ideal to really be a man short, but the Yankees do always have to look at the big picture. In this case, it may be saving the pride of a guy who’s contributed so much to the franchise. In 2-3 weeks, you have expanded rosters.

  39. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    If NY sends Hughes to the BP I don’t see any value to that. They need to keep him stretched out as they will definitely need another starter in about 2 weeks in BAL and what if one of the other starters has an injury. The Yankees BP has been solid, there is no room for Hughes there.

  40. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    I think if Phil pitches well today he may have earned himself a temporary spot in AAA.
    ————————————
    I think you’re right, however it won’t be an “earned” demotion to the minors.LOL

    If he pitches well he will probably go to the minors to stay stretched out for the upcoming DH on the 27th in Baltimore.

    Will the Yankees now bring up Montero for the Monday night series in KC?

  41. Gary August 13th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 9:01 am
    Getting rid of Posada is damaging to the organization long term, albeit not on the field. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

    Anyway if you watch Jorge, he is on the bench engaged with the game and with other players. He still offers leadership, and he will play occasionally – give Tex a day off at 1st.

    It’s not the best situation and it’s not ideal to really be a man short, but the Yankees do always have to look at the big picture. In this case, it may be saving the pride of a guy who’s contributed so much to the franchise. In 2-3 weeks, you have expanded rosters.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    I like Swisher at 1st and somebodt else in right during Tex’s day off or DH spot. Posada no hitting, slow a foot and playing out of position.

    Unfourtantly baseball is a business just like football and other sports. If you play it like a personality contest you are guaranteed to lose.

  42. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Chavez can play 1st.

    New post—->

  43. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Gary -

    I wonder if it’s pitch-count related, though. With AJ, going from good performance to melt down seems to turn on a dime. I think he either loses focus or thinks too much. However, I do agree that Girardi should pull him earlier than he does, simply because it does change on a dime. Sure, sometimes he’ll have worked his way out of it, but especially when walks are involved, AJ has not earned the benefit of the doubt.

  44. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Gary -

    I don’t think they do this for anyone BUT a Posada or a Jeter. Franchise guys who are in large part responsible for the success of the team on and off the field.

    Otherwise, I’d agree you don’t play a man short on purpose.

  45. austinmac August 13th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    As I went to bed last night Boston was losing 4-2. They came back as I feared. They are going to be very tough in the playoffs as they can beat very good pitching. They shelled CC and Felix recently.

    This is an important game today as Shields owns them. Hughes better pitch as if he is pitching for his MLB life.

    By the way, when Shields does pitch please tell Tex to look for change ups.

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