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Cashman: Waiver deals unlikely for Yankees

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 13, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The waiver-deal deadline is Aug. 31. But Brian Cashman, who stood pat at the July 31 nonwaiver trade deadline, isn’t counting on outside help coming now for the Yankees, either.

“I think … what you see is what you’re going to get,” Cashman said. “It doesn’t guarantee that there won’t be some changes. I highly doubt it. It’s not likely you’re going to see anything between now and Aug. 31 because of the waivers, guys not clearing.”

Maybe they will look in-house and see if Manuel Banuelos can help out of the bullpen before the season is out since they already have too many starters right now. Or maybe they can give him a taste of things here. The 20-year-old lefty is 0-1 with a 3.24 ERA in three starts since being promoted to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He took the loss at Syracuse Friday, allowing three runs, six hits and four walks and striking out three over 5 2/3. He left trailing 3-1 and the final was 7-4.

And what about Jesus Montero? The 21-year-old righty-hitting catcher is batting .283 with 13 homers and 55 RBI in 96 games. He went 2 for 5 with a solo homer Friday. He’s at .289 with three homers and five RBI over his last 10 games.

 
 

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112 Responses to “Cashman: Waiver deals unlikely for Yankees”

  1. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Brian-

    Wouldn’t it be nice for Banuelos to be a part of the playoffs.
    The Angels added Francisco Rodriguez in the middle of September in 2002, and he helped carry them to a WS title.

    If Hughes gets sent down to the minors this weekend to stay stretched out for the upcoming day-night DH in Baltimore, maybe the Yankees will bring up Montero for Mondays series in KC!!

  2. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Matsui and Damon have cleared waivers!

  3. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    They can’t add one of those guys without dropping Posada entirely. I don’t expect Jorge to retire and it would be classless of the Yanks to release him after the career he’s had.

    Banuelos is far from ready for MLB. He had a poor start last night and is still struggling with his control.

  4. Abe Peteraham August 13th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Boy those minor #s look great ;(

  5. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Let Banuelos develop, this is not a good time for a 20 year old with limited experience to come up. Be patient with this guy, barring injury, he will have his day in the sun.

    Can’t see any reason for Montero not to come up, I guess Cashman and Girardi think he would sabotage the pitching staff and he is incapable of learning on the job to replace Cervelli as C two games per week.

    Good luck in Cashman spinning Montero as an elite prospect in trade talks. Cashman has “successfully” lowered his value below that of Cervelli in the eyes of fellow GMs.

  6. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    No way Cashman has lowered Montero’s value. This isnormal player development and the guy is still one of the (if not THE) youngest players in Triple-A.

    People love to want to rush prospects, but a Triple-A player hitting .283 or thereabouts is not being harmed or devalued by finishing the season at that level.

  7. Abe Peteraham August 13th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Yank trader, Damon and Matsui cleared, does that mean they can be dumped from the team then since no one claimed them, with club having no obligation to complete contract?

  8. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Yes his value is being lowered as an elite prospect.

    Any GM worth their salt can leverage the point that NY b/up catcher has an 8% cs rate, and is not a good catch and throw guy which is the minimum in what you want in a b/up. It’s not because Cervelli can hit that he is the back-up either. Cervelli is a very limited player who is going nowhere in this organization.

    At the same time, the opposing GM can point out that their starting catcher is hitting in the .220s and is out of gas half the time and clearly would be more effective if given more rest. But NY doesn’t believe in Montero enough to spell Martin two games a week.

  9. sdjohn August 13th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Yanks21, you are sadly mistaken if you really think GM’s around the league think more highly of cervelli than montero. Keeping a 21 year old kid in AAA to develop is only a “failure” in the eyes of uneducated Yankee fan.

  10. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    sdjohn; get real, that is not what I said at all, learn to read, uneducated fan. What I said what was a fellow GM can easily leverage that Cashman can not spin Montero as some elite prospect as a catcher because he couldn’t even trust him enough to get a couple reps per week over the incumbent b/u who is among the worst in the game.

  11. Ed Whitson August 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Montero is not a catching prospect. He’s a hitting prospect. His value as a DH/1B type is much less than at Catcher. Ca$hman should have known that and moved him last year to some team who was foolish enough to think they could develop him as a catcher.

  12. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Just cuz another GM can make that claim doesn’t mean anything.

    Montero is an elite prospect in the eyes of virtually everyone in baseball. The fact that the Yankees have chosen to leave him in Scranton is meaningless.

    If he’s down there a year from today you would be correct, but not now.

    Abe — Once a guy clears waivers it just means he can be dealt. The team is still responsible for paying him. Otherwise every bad contract in baseball would be voided through the waiver process.

  13. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Ed saying he’s not a catching prospect doesn’t make it so.

  14. Abe Peteraham August 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Thnx 86

  15. yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    ….Just cuz another GM can make that claim doesn?t mean anything.

    It sure as hell does when Cashman, if he is still the GM, and wants to move him in a trade, tries to characterize Montero as a ML ready catcher who is considered an elite hitter.

    How can he be considered ML ready catcher if NY didn’t trust him enough to even catch him at all over a current b/up who is among the worst in the game?

  16. Giuseppe Franco August 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    What makes anyone think Montero is going to be traded at all? He’s been the subject of trade rumors for three seasons now but he’s still in the organization.

    It won’t matter what his trade value is to other ball clubs if he isn’t traded.

    He’s not going anywhere.

  17. pat August 13th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    For better or worse and barring something unforeseen, AJ is a Yankee for a few more years. What Cashman said about him is called trying to maximize or protect an investment.

    An understanding of the difference between players being overweight and/or underconditioned might be needed by some people here.

  18. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Other teams will base their assessment of Montero on what they see and what they think he will become. They don’t give a rats rump if the Yanks promote him this month or not.

  19. Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Carlos Zambrano gave up five home runs to the Braves in 4 1/3 innings last night, then was ejected after throwing two consecutive inside pitches to Chipper Jones. After the ejection, Zambrano cleared out his locker and told the team trainer that he was retiring, according to Paul Sullivan of The Chicago Tribune (Twitter links).

    “We will respect his wishes and honor them and move forward,” said GM Jim Hendry, though manager Mike Quade was understandably angry with his right-hander. “I’m really disappointed. His locker is empty. I don’t know where he’s at. He walked out on 24 guys that are battling their (butts) off for him. I don’t know where he’s gone or what he’s doing. I heard he has retired, or talking about retiring … I can’t have a guy walking out on 24 guys, that’s for damn sure.”

    There are a number of reasons to be skeptical about Zambrano’s retirement talk. For one, he’s always been a behavioral wildcard, but more importantly, there is over $22MM left on his contract, which he’d forfeit by retiring. Zambrano is represented by Barry Praver of Praver Shapiro Sports Management, who will surely try to talk his client out of calling it quits.

    Bet there are many here who would like Burnett to retire.

  20. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    yankee21 August 13th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    ….Just cuz another GM can make that claim doesn?t mean anything.

    It sure as hell does when Cashman, if he is still the GM, and wants to move him in a trade, tries to characterize Montero as a ML ready catcher who is considered an elite hitter.

    How can he be considered ML ready catcher if NY didn’t trust him enough to even catch him at all over a current b/up who is among the worst in the game?
    ====================

    Trade talks aren’t a debating society. At the end of it all, regardless of what is said, the player is either valued highly by the parties to the discussion or he is not. What determines Montero’s value in a trade discussion is whether the opposing GM stops Cashman from leaving the room if he should get up to leave. That’s when we would find out what the other team is actually willing to give up for Montero. Everything else is BS.

    Your spin about the Yankees not trusting Montero is not the only explanation of why they haven’t promoted them. There are other possibilities that are at least as likely as the so-called mistrust meme.

  21. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Ed Whitson August 13th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Montero is not a catching prospect. He’s a hitting prospect. His value as a DH/1B type is much less than at Catcher. Ca$hman should have known that and moved him last year to some team who was foolish enough to think they could develop him as a catcher.
    ==============

    Have you ever seen him play?

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  23. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “People love to want to rush prospects, but a Triple-A player hitting .283 or thereabouts is not being harmed or devalued by finishing the season at that level.”

    check out what reddick was hitting at triple a before he started hitting.330 for the red sox.

    it was about .230.

    montero has clearly been devalued in other gm’s eyes.

    you think any of them would want cervelli as their starter with an 8% throwing out runners success rate?

    … and cashman doesn’t think montero can be better than a guy they don’t want.

    why would that make thme give up a lot for montero ?

    i would say montero’s perceived value to other teams is half what it was at the beginning of spring training because of the way the yankees have handled their catcher’s situation.

    girardi’s blind allegiance to cervelli has made me question is ability to run this team. cacthing is a black hole with the team now. it is a weakness compared to other teams that has to be made up from offense at other positions.

    and it is building towards nothing because martin and cervelli are not going to be the yankees starting catcher in two years.

  24. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    … and if girardi keeps blocking montero, he’s not going to be the manager in two years either.

  25. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    … and if girardi keeps blocking montero, he’s not going to be the manager in two years either.
    ===============

    How do you know Girardi is blocking Montero?

  26. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    “Montero is an elite prospect in the eyes of virtually everyone in baseball. The fact that the Yankees have chosen to leave him in Scranton is meaningless.”

    i would agree if the yankees had solid catching at the big league level. they don’t the tandem of martin and cervelli sucks.

    martin has gone into a huge year long offensive slump and does things like throw the ball into right field allowing the runner to take two bases. he is possibly tipping pitches too.

    cervelli has thrown out about 8% of runners.

    the catcher position is a problem and the yankees don’t think montero can help it this year. and you don’t think other gms notice this ?

  27. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    If there’s a world record for making crap up Randy you are the champ.

    Whether or not Montero is better than Cervelli right now is only part of the equation. You also have to consider management of the 25 and 40-man rosters, the consistency of the pitching staff and the possible impact of injecting a neophyte catcher into the mix for the stretch run and post-season.

    The # 1 job of catchers is to handle the pitching staff and I see nothing wrong with Martin and Cervelli in that regard. Sure, it would be great if they threw out a higher percentage and hit more, but I can live with what they’re doing. Other teams have only stolen 89 bases, so it’s not that big a deal.

  28. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    “How do you know Girardi is blocking Montero?”

    because he keeps writing out a line up with two lousy catchers in it, and seems perfectly happy doing it.

    i don’t think girardi likes good offensive catchers.

    mike sciocia doesn’t either. i do. check out what he’s doing with mathis. pretty bad.

    almost always when the yankees are a great team they have a really good offensive catcher. berra, howard, munson, posada.

    it’s part of the yankees dna to have good hitting catchers. if you want to take girardi and sciocia’s position that a defensive catcher is more valuable than an offensive one , that’s a preference and i can’t argue with it.

    i’ll just beat you with my good hitting average fielding catcher the way the yankees have for generations.

  29. sammiejohnson August 13th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Yankee Trader August 13th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Wouldn’t it be nice for Banuelos to be a part of the playoffs.
    The Angels added Francisco Rodriguez in the middle of September in 2002, and he helped carry them to a WS title.

    If Hughes gets sent down to the minors this weekend to stay stretched out for the upcoming day-night DH in Baltimore, maybe the Yankees will bring up Montero for Mondays series in KC!!

    ______________________________

    Well, your partially correct. But there is more to it than that.

    K-Rod was called up in Sept. ’02 by the Angels and allowed to play in the post season. But K-Rod was already on the Angel’s 40 man roster as of Aug. 31. When SP Aaron Sele was dropped from the 2002 post season roster due to injury, Anaheim replaced him with K-Rod (pitcher for pitcher). If Rodriguez had not been on the 40 man roster as of Aug. 31, he would not have been eligible for the post season no matter what.

    Neither Banuelos or Montero is on NYY 40 man roster. Unless roster moves are made for them to be placed on the 40-man before Aug. 31 neither will be eligible for the post season. As it stands right now, since neither are on the 40-man roster, they are not available to be called up to the bigs. And if this continues until Sept. neither are available for the post season.

    Here is the rule about post season rosters:

    “To be eligible for a team’s playoff roster a player must be on any of the following: (a) the 25 man active roster, (b) the disabled list, (c) the bereavement list, or (d) the suspended list as of August 31 at midnight. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team’s 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position (i.e. position player for position player, or pitcher for pitcher), with the approval of the commissioner of baseball.”

  30. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Swapping Mike Stanley for Girardi sure helped in the mid-late nineties, didn’t it?

    You’d love both, but there’s no conspiracy to hold back Montero to satisfy a desire to have poorer offense behind the plate.

  31. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    randy

    If you want to use Reddick as a comp. Montero will need to be called up and sent down about three years in or to compare to Reddick.

    Also you’re comparing a 21yr old and a 24yr old.

    I also don’t remember you complaining about Girardi when he kept sending Posada out there when he clearly had past his prime.

  32. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    “How do you know Girardi is blocking Montero?”

    because he keeps writing out a line up with two lousy catchers in it, and seems perfectly happy doing it.

    i don’t think girardi likes good offensive catchers.
    =====================

    So, in other words, you have nothing, aside from speculation. The Yanks clearly made a move in the offseason to qcquire Martin in order to give Montero time (an additional season) to develop in the minors without pressure. You can characterize that choice as a lack of faith in Montero, or however else please, but just because you say it doesn’t make it so.

    As I recall, Posada was brought along pretty slowly, with a light-hitting, defensive catcher ahead of him for a couple of years. The Yanks also managed to win world championships during that period.

    Finally, Another team’s GMs assessment or valuation of Montero is irrelevant until Cashman tries to put Montero on the trading block. So far, Cashman doesn’t seem disposed to doing so (with the very large exception of the Lee deal that fell through).

  33. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Welcome to LoHud where conspiracies are born.

    And grow to maturity.

  34. sunny615 August 13th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    The biggest non-deal deal will be the return of Arod.

  35. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Oliver Stone would love this place!

  36. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    sunny615 August 13th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    The biggest non-deal deal will be the return of Arod.
    ===============

    Keeping Nova was huge. Getting Soriano back also was a big shot in the arm.

  37. Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    These story lines take on a life of their own, boy oh boy.

    Martin and Cervelli are stop gaps until Montero (and/or Romine) is ready. If he was ready this year, I’d have been very surprised.

    Yes, as a fan, I’d LOVE to see what he can do on the ML level. But I really can wait until September for that.

    Plus, Girardi seemed awfully excited in spring training at the prospect of Montero possibly being ready to B/U this season. The fact that he had some difficulty OFFENSIVELY is why they decided to keep him down in AAA. They were impressed with the improvements he made behind the plate, and Girardi was clearly giving the situation some thought.

  38. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    So Montero should be brought up just because fans are impatient……….I don’t think he’s going anywhere, so it doesn’t matter (not that I believe it) if he’s been devalued by other GMs. The Yankees want to bring him up when he’s ready and based on the interview posted yesterday, they do not think he’s ready. It’s ok for them to rush Montero (what they view as rushing him), but it’s not ok to rush young pitching?

  39. jackamir August 13th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Check out the stats of Melky. He is having a breakout year & how about Ian Kennedy. Not to say they would duplicate those results in the Apple but you have to give them loads of credit.

  40. DaveD August 13th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Girardi’s concerns are absolutely valid. This is not the time to bring up a defensively challenged catcher and have him learn all the pitchers, the AL hitters, pick-off moves, players speed, etc. Even as a back up, that is a lot on his plate.

    If he was brought up exclusively as a DH, I don’t think Girardi would mind one bit. I don’t think Cash wants to bring him up to DH though, he probably wants him to get as many C reps in the minors as possible.

    I think they are fine with Chavez/Jones platooning at DH or A-Rod at DH with one of Nunez/Chavez in the field.

  41. jackamir August 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Would you rather have Melky or Andruw Jones?

  42. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 13th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    These story lines take on a life of their own, boy oh boy.

    Martin and Cervelli are stop gaps until Montero (and/or Romine) is ready. If he was ready this year, I’d have been very surprised.

    Yes, as a fan, I’d LOVE to see what he can do on the ML level. But I really can wait until September for that.

    Plus, Girardi seemed awfully excited in spring training at the prospect of Montero possibly being ready to B/U this season. The fact that he had some difficulty OFFENSIVELY is why they decided to keep him down in AAA. They were impressed with the improvements he made behind the plate, and Girardi was clearly giving the situation some thought.
    =========================

    I think that this post sums it up quite nicely. I also might add that Montero had a legitimate shot at winning the backup job in ST when Cervy went down with an injury, but was unable to do so. I can’t imagine that Montero’s inability to grab the backup job is a big strike against him, considering that the Yanks had planned on giving Montero an additional year in the minors.

  43. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    jackamir August 13th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Would you rather have Melky or Andruw Jones?
    =======

    Melky–no doubt about it.

  44. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Wow, can Sherman calm down? I refuse to open the article, but the headline is “Sabathia and Rivera flops bode poorly for Yanks in playoffs”.

    Hm, so apparently CC, after pitching brilliantly for so long, is not allowed to slump. Apparently 3 games makes Mo a flop. Sherman would know from flops.

  45. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I would love to see the Yanks pick up Matsui for the stretch run, but there doesn’t seem to be room on the roster for him.

  46. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Sometimes honesty is not the best policy – Mike Pelfrey made some kind of comment admitting that he didn’t think the Mets had much of a chance to do anything this year. That’s not too smart……..esp. for a guy who’s hardly been the ace they needed.

  47. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Matsui’s numbers since the AllStar break: .423/.477/.649/1.126–not bad for a guy that is all washed up!

  48. yankee 221 August 13th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Cashman is the one who compared Martin to Thurman Munson and said Cervelli would start for 15 (for some number he used) teams in the league.

    The real problem here is the roster inflexibility with Posada here to do nothing. If they got rid of Posada, then there would be a clear spot for Montero. They already have a short bench, 6 starters, and have A-Rod due back. Who are they getting rid of for Montero? I don’t think they trust him as the BUC to get rid of Cervelli.

    Timing is also not on his side. We are 2 weeks away from expanded rosters. TBH, if Montero was hitting like he did in the 2nd half last year and not barely sustaining a .800 OPS in AAA, he would have forced their hand much more. I think that, along with their roster crunch, is what is keeping Montero down, not Girardi liking non-hitting catchers because he couldn’t hit as a player or whatever nonsense some think.

  49. yankee 221 August 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Ghost – Would be the perfect fit. But again, Posada’s roster spot complicates things significantly. Maybe if they got him like the 30th or something and played very short handed for a day.

  50. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Sabathia’s poor start last night will put pressure on Girardi to make a decision about the rotation. He can’t put off making a decision anymore, because folks will say that Sabathia is floundering because of the 6-man rotation.

  51. Bret The Hitman August 13th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I’d take Greinke, Haren or Jimenez as my number 2 right now.

    Who wouldn’t?

    All of those guys are throwing so well right now. I know the price was high for two of them but it’s not like any of them turned to trash after Cashman passed on them.

    What’s up his sleeve?

    Nothing IMHO.

  52. Bret The Hitman August 13th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    The Brewers, Angels and Indians are all potential playoff bound teams. The Indians would have a nice 1-2 combo with Jimenez-Masterson. Weaver-Haren is excellent as well.

  53. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I’d be concerned about CC if it were 5-6 starts on regular routine rather than two stinkers that coincide with this idiotic 6-man rotation.

  54. DaveD August 13th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “Sabathia’s poor start last night will put pressure on Girardi to make a decision about the rotation. He can’t put off making a decision anymore, because folks will say that Sabathia is floundering because of the 6-man rotation.”

    If you’ve read his quotes, he has been pretty vocal about being against the 6-man rotation. He’s made comments on several occasions.

  55. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I’m not worried about CC in either event. He was bound to have a couple of clunkers this year. It’s very difficult to sustain the pace that he had been on for an extended period. I don’t think that the 6-man rotation was a factor, but it would be just as well to get folks back onto their regular routine.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Montero has about as much chance of being a long-term catcher for the Yankee as Mauer does for the Twins. Zero.

  57. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Montero has about as much chance of being a long-term catcher for the Yankee as Mauer does for the Twins. Zero.
    ================

    This sounds dangerously like a prediction (actually it’s 2 predictions).

  58. Niblick August 13th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Don’t worry. Cashman will make the cowardly decision and send Nova back to Scranton because ” he has options.”

  59. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    “As I recall, Posada was brought along pretty slowly, with a light-hitting, defensive catcher ahead of him for a couple of years. The Yanks also managed to win world championships during that period.”

    the reality was that 1996 was girardi’s best offensive year and leyritz was a good hitting back up.
    martin and cervelli won’t touch girardi’s and leyritz’s offensive year in 1996.

    posada played a significant amount of time starting in 1997. he was the starter in 1998,1999, and 2000.

    so much for offense t the catcher spot not being important.

    it has always been an important ingredient when the yankees win a championship.
    in 1996 girardi and leyritz as a tandem had a pretty good offensive year. martin and cervelli are trending down, down, and more down.

    you folks who like weak hitting catchers may be happy, but it goes against yankee winning tradition to have catchers this bad with the bat and winning a championship.

    going back to berra , howard , and blanchard who all caught in one world series if i remember right all had pop in the bat. good hitting catching is a yankee tradition.

    girardi needs to remember he’s not managing the cubs . he’s managing the yankees.

  60. fantasygame101 August 13th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    I do not know who to blame, posada or the management why posada is still not in DL. Posada is the key to roster flexibility and everyone who follows the yankees knows that so this is getting frustrating each day and specially leading to the end of the month.

  61. mick August 13th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    girardi being a poor hitting good defensive catcher might have a hard time emphasizing offense behind the plate.

  62. pat August 13th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    eboland11 Back for another day covering the worst 71-46 team in history #sarcasm. No lineup posted as yet.

    Happy birthday to the man with a plan, Boone Logan.

    Alex playing for Sojo last night had to be a trip down memory lane.

  63. Mell August 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    do not know who to blame, posada or the management why posada is still not in DL

    =========================

    Because he isn’t hurt?

  64. mick August 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    if the yanks don’t give posada ab’s , which they have taken away, how can they carry him in the playoffs and waste a spot?

    esp if the phenom arrives and overwhelms.

    heck they usually carry a guy just for speed

  65. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    randy

    So you think Montero would be good enough to be the starter now?

    Or are you advocating him to be the BUC?

    If so what are you basing it on?

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Montero has about as much chance of being a long-term catcher for the Yankee as Mauer does for the Twins. Zero.
    ================

    This sounds dangerously like a prediction (actually it’s 2 predictions).

    ************

    Wrong again. It’s my opinion.

  67. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Niblick August 13th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Don’t worry. Cashman will make the cowardly decision and send Nova back to Scranton because ” he has options.”
    ==============

    That’s the question. In handicapping what Cashman is going to do in any given situation, always look for him to make the conservative play. However, what is the conservative move in this situation?
    –Send down Nova, because he has options?
    –Put Hughes in the ‘pen, because we haven’t seen enough of him since he came back?
    –Put Burnett in the ‘pen, because he’s been struggling for the last 10 starts?

    The trouble with this situation is that there is so much uncertainty and risk associated with each of these choices. Right now, Nova looks like the best bet of the three to help the Yanks win a championship. So, I think that he is in the rotation. This leaves the choice between Hughes and AJ. I can argue the case for either one, but the choice between the two isn’t at all clear to me.

  68. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Nova is not going down, period.

    Phil should be sent to AAA for as short of a time as their season is at this point, but I think it’s far more likely that he goes to the pen to mark time in meaningless innings.

    Ghost, I don’t think it’s an obvious choice either because AJ hasn’t been THAT bad, but unless Phil throws darts today, I think the decision has already been made.

  69. Mell August 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    –Send down Nova, because he has options?
    –Put Hughes in the ‘pen, because we haven’t seen enough of him since he came back?
    –Put Burnett in the ‘pen, because he’s been struggling for the last 10 starts?

    =========================================

    One man’s handicapping:

    A) 5%
    B) 75%
    C) 20%

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Nova is not going down, period. Phil should be sent to AAA for as short of a time as their season is at this point, but I think it’s far more likely that he goes to the pen to mark time in meaningless innings.

    ***************

    Mind numbingly repetitive post number 4,223. Notice the incessant Hughes bashing, “mark time in meaningless innings”.

  71. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Randy —-

    I know you hate facts but ….

    Martin has more HR (12) than Girardi (2) Leyritz (7) combined for in 1996.

    Martin has more RBI (46) than Girardi (45) or Leyritz (40) in 1996.

    Martin has a higher OPS + (87) than Girardi (82) or Leyritz (86) in 1996.

    Cervelli has not added much, granted with the lowest HR (1), RBI (15) and OPS + (71), but the productivity from the catcher position is very similar to 1996.

  72. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Mell August 13th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
    ==============================
    Mell,

    Nice post. Your assessment sounds about right to me.

  73. Jacob Ruppert August 13th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I dont understand why Betsy cannot make a post conveying her thoughts on a subject without getting blasted for it. If you disagree with her post, then disagree. I generally enjoy your posts WCYF, please try to cease the Betsy bashing.

  74. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Montero has about as much chance of being a long-term catcher for the Yankee as Mauer does for the Twins. Zero.
    ================

    This sounds dangerously like a prediction (actually it’s 2 predictions).

    ************

    Wrong again. It’s my opinion.
    ===============

    Oy vey.

  75. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    “So you think Montero would be good enough to be the starter now?

    Or are you advocating him to be the BUC?

    If so what are you basing it on?”

    maine yankee-

    i would have brought montero up in late may or early june and had him split the catching job with martin 60/40. martin catching more.

    what do i base it on?

    i base it on me knowing as much about catching and hitting as you know about milking cows :)

  76. Mell August 13th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Notice the incessant Hughes bashing, “mark time in meaningless innings”

    ==============================

    Perhaps repetitive, but not necessarily incorrect. If the decision is indeed sending Hughes to the pen, chances are his appearances will not be in high leverage situations, as those spots are pretty much eaten up now by Robertson, Soriano, and Rivera, with Logan maybe getting the occasional taste against a lefty. Hughes innings out of the pen would quite likely be of the Ayala variety.

  77. Jacob Ruppert August 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Betsy, if anyone on this team should be pitching meaningless innings, it is Burnett. Hughes is still young and at this moment, should be our 5th starter and potentially left out of the ALDS rotation.

  78. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Geez, the loser’s club is at it again. I see Mr. Lowest Form of Life in the Universe is back at it again pretending he’s human. Too bad he’s not very convincing.

  79. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Mell, please don’t respond to anything that ________________ writes as pertains to me because at this point he’s pavlov’s dog – or maybe he’s just a dog; he responds obnoxiously as a reflex reaction. Lord knows that’s the only thing that can explain him as his brain is certainly in the off position

  80. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “Cervelli has not added much, granted with the lowest HR (1), RBI (15) and OPS + (71), but the productivity from the catcher position is very similar to 1996.”

    i said very clearly that the combined offensive performance of the 1996 catchers was better than what the yankees have this year.

    you agree, by saying cervelli sucks, so i don’t see the issue.

    the difference between cervelli and leyritz was huge. i seem to remember a leyritz home run that year that was a little important.

    is that likely with cervelli?

  81. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    randy

    I wasn’t questioning your knowledge of catching.

    I just wanted to know why you thought Montero was ready.

    I still haven’t been convinced he was ready in June.

    I’m basing that on listening to ball games on the radio while milking cows. :D

  82. pat August 13th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Cli-che noun

    -a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation

    -something that has become overly familiar or commonplace

  83. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “Cervelli has not added much, granted with the lowest HR (1), RBI (15) and OPS + (71), but the productivity from the catcher position is very similar to 1996.”

    i said very clearly that the combined offensive performance of the 1996 catchers was better than what the yankees have this year.

    you agree, by saying cervelli sucks, so i don’t see the issue.

    the difference between cervelli and leyritz was huge. i seem to remember a leyritz home run that year that was a little important.

    is that likely with cervelli?
    ===========
    Cervelli does seem to come up with a lot of clutch hits, even if they aren’t homers.

  84. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    neither yankee catcher could play for the red sox right now.

    .. and varitek at 40 is playing better than either yankee catcher.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Because it is the same obsessive, repetitive posts on Hughes over and over and over and over again for months and months and months.

  86. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    “Cervelli does seem to come up with a lot of clutch hits, even if they aren’t homers.”

    that i’ll give you.

    for someone who sucks, he sucks less when there are men in scoring position :)

  87. icebird753 August 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    looks like fight night on the lohud yankees blog…grow up people lol

  88. UnKnown August 13th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I think NY will carry Posada on the PostSeason Roster. They will give up a pitcher just to carry him. 11 Pitchers, 13 Position Players, and 1 Posada.

    And lets face it for the ALDS at least 11 pitchers is definitely plenty. If it comes down to that 12th pitcher between losing the series or winning it, NY is in trouble anyways beyond having Posada on the roster.

  89. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    I think not – I’m not going to sit around and let some total internet douche trash me.

  90. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Because it is the same obsessive, repetitive posts on Hughes over and over and over and over again for months and months and months.
    =============

    Right. Because your posts aren’t repetitious?

    And for several weeks now, after Betsy makes a post about Hughes, you follow with one of your own about Betsy’s obsessiveness. I’m sure that the irony of this is probably lost on you, but I bet that most of the rest of the folks on this forum see it.

  91. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    I’d take either Yankee catcher over Varitek.

  92. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    “Cervelli does seem to come up with a lot of clutch hits, even if they aren’t homers.”

    that i’ll give you.

    for someone who sucks, he sucks less when there are men in scoring position :)
    ======

    Heh. :)

  93. Mell August 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    neither yankee catcher could play for the red sox right now.

    .. and varitek at 40 is playing better than either yankee catcher

    ==================================

    One of the keys to Boston’s season has been that the catcher position has been nowhere close to the disaster so many projected it would be. In fact, they’ve gotten considerably higher than league average production from it (2nd or 3rd in Catcher OPS, I believe).

  94. 86w183 August 13th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    Jason Varitek (.229 7 HR, 23 RBI) is NOT having a better year than Russell Martin (.225, 12 HR, 46 RBI). He’s having HALF as good a season.

  95. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    maine yankee-

    if the yankees had two good catchers right now, i could see leaving montero down in scranton, but the yankees have two bad catchers right now who couldn’t make the red sox team .

    i would have rolled the dice to see if montero was ready. if he wasn’t there’d be no harm done because cervelli would just come up from triple a . montero would go back knowing exactly what to work on.

    with my way, we’d have known montero was ready or not. your way , we still don’t know.

  96. Mell August 13th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    I’d take either Yankee catcher over Varitek.

    =====================

    Agree on Martin, but taking Cervelli over Varitek would indicate minimal interest in winning.

  97. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    randy

    With my way I would use the info the team has on him not just my gut feeling.

  98. Betsy August 13th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Ghost, PLUS, the kid has been a huge topic of conversation around here – not that I’m the only one talking about him, but I’m the only one he shoots his darts at (poor as his aim is, they flutter out before reaching their mark). Anyway, he just continues to portray himself as the fool he is and always will be.

  99. Niblick August 13th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I think we can all agree that Betsy does not like Hughes, for whatever reason. Best response is to just ignore her repetetive posts. Her mind is clearly not going to change, even if he pulls a Johnny van der Meer.

  100. MaineYankee August 13th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Mell August 13th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    I’d take either Yankee catcher over Varitek.

    =====================

    Agree on Martin, but taking Cervelli over Varitek would indicate minimal interest in winning.

    ——————————————————————————————-

    The difference between Varitek and Cevelli is minimal.

  101. pat August 13th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    BryanHoch Details of today’s #DJ3K ceremony being kept under wraps even to Jeter. Says no one has told him a thing.

    I’m guessing something bronzed, painted or crystal will be presented to him.

  102. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    pat August 13th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    BryanHoch Details of today’s #DJ3K ceremony being kept under wraps even to Jeter. Says no one has told him a thing.

    I’m guessing something bronzed, painted or crystal will be presented to him.
    =========

    It might even be shaped like a bat (baseball bat, that is).

  103. Ghostwriter August 13th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    I really do wonder about what happened to Cervelli’s defense and arm. When he first came up in 2009, he looked like a pretty good catcher to me, but he has regressed badly. I wonder if there is some injury that he is hiding.

  104. pat August 13th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    “It might even be shaped like a bat (baseball bat, that is).”

    That could add wooden, carved or whittled to possibilities. I overlooked the obvious. :sad:

  105. Jacob Ruppert August 13th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Where is it that Betsy hates Hughes? I thought she loved Hughes, and is just kind of critical of him

  106. fantasygame101 August 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    mell…. teams are putting players on the DL even if they are not hurt as long as the player agrees to it. This is nothing new.

  107. Joe from Long Island August 13th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Just reading the interplay between MaineYankee and randy.

    I cannot, for the life of me, believe that the New York Yankees/Steinbrenner Family/Randy Levine would leave it to Joe Girardi to decide whether or not they take in tens of millions of dollars more in the post season.

    There has to be more to decision-making (in this case, the Montero issue) than what an essentially middle-level management person thinks. No succcessful organization operates that way. As I recall, CB calculated back in 2009 that the Yankees took in an additional $45M in the post season.

    That’s a lot of money to leave to on the table, based on what one mid-level person thinks.

    The argument that Joe Girardi is personally blocking Jesus Montero, based solely on his whim, makes no sense to me. Not unless Joe has unknown power within the organization, and has a wish to be fired.

  108. mick August 13th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I think we can all agree that Betsy does not like Hughes, for whatever reason. Best response is to just ignore her repetetive posts. Her mind is clearly not going to change, even if he pulls a Johnny van der Meer.
    ===================
    its called love/hate.
    not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  109. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    “With my way I would use the info the team has on him not just my gut feeling.”

    maine yankee-

    i agree with you. i would go with the yankees info too over YOUR gut feeling :)

  110. jpb173 August 13th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    I see that many of the posters here have already made up their minds that Jesus Montero will never be a catcher. In the last 1940′s most experts thought the same thing about a funny looking young Yankee catcher who could hit but struggled at all aspects of the catching trade. The Yankees arranged for Hall of Famer Bill Dickey to work with the catcher who, under Dickey’s tutelage went on to be a Hall of Fame catcher too…but never stopped being funny looking. That catcher was Yogi Berra. It took him a while to become a proficient catcher but when he got the hang of it he also got the opportunity to win quite a few rings.

    I can see the Yankees breaking Jesus Montero in next year as a combination catcher/designated hitter next year. The Yankees will probably carry 3 catchers (Montero, Martin and Cervelli). Montero will probably catch one day out of every five and DH 3 of the other 4 days. Martin will probably catch 3 days out of 5 and DH 1 day of the other 2. Cervelli will catch one day out of 5 and that DH position will be rotated on the 5th day (ARod, Teixeira, Jeters, Cano, Swisher and Granderson each getting a shot a half-day off).

    As the season progresses, if Montero improves behind the plate he can catch 2 days out of 5 and DH 2 of the other days with the Yankees carry Cervelli simply as an emergency catcher.

    The reality is that no catcher can catch more than 130 games in a season so Montero will have the luxury of developing on the job with his workload increasing as he improves and the DH job a way to keep his bat in the lineup when he can’t catch.

  111. randy l. August 13th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    “Jason Varitek (.229 7 HR, 23 RBI) is NOT having a better year than Russell Martin (.225, 12 HR, 46 RBI). He’s having HALF as good a season”

    jason varitek- .716 OPS

    russel martin- 696OPS

    sad, but true

  112. Joe from Long Island August 13th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    jbp173 – you should read Allen Barra’s biography of Yogi. You will see just how badly he was maligned as a ballplayer when he was just starting.


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