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Posada back at DH

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez 3B
Jorge Posada DH
Russell Martin C

 
 

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134 Responses to “Posada back at DH”

  1. JobaTipsHisCap August 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    first?

  2. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    maine yankee-

    i really like what i see in montero. i think he’s going to be a very big star.

    the way you tell a lot about someone and how they handle pressure is to put them in a situation that might be over their head at the time. sometimes they may surprise you.

    the devaluation of montero on this blog just astounds me.

  3. Erin August 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t know why I’m so excited for this game-probably because I haven’t watched a game since Friday. Much too long to go without Yankees. ;)

  4. luis August 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Why?…..I think the mayority of the posters here are thrilled and sick of waiting for the Jesus to come up.

  5. tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I hope Jorge has a repeat performance, just to confound the DFA types. As for Montero, all I ask is to see what he has. Too much to ask?

  6. Erin August 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Why??..I think the mayority of the posters here are thrilled and sick of waiting for the Jesus to come up.

    **************************

    The Minority: sick of posters complaining about how he hasn’t been called up yet.

  7. RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Maybe they’re waiting on the various “Jesus” merchandise to be produced before calling him up?

  8. RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    It’s really going to blow the “Joba Rules” crap out of the water.

  9. bruceb August 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
    Hello, everybody,

    Prediction for AJ tonight: 6.2 innings, 6 hits, 2 earned runs. Worked for me last time I risked it.

    The last time I made a prediction about AJ I said the Yanks would spot him to a 12-run lead and he would blow it. So, needless to say, I’m not making that mistake again. The only thing I can say is that if the game starts on time, the letters AJ will be plastered over all this blog some time around 9.15pm.

  10. Wave Your Hat August 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I think the reasons, as much as any other, that Montero hasn’t come up are:

    Cervelli has been playing well enough not to be begging to sent down. Since July 1, his slash line is .276/.382/.345/.727, and since August 1, .333/.400/.444/.844 (in limited playing time, true).

    Meanwhile, since coming off the DL, Chavez has been hitting .286/.340/.388/.727, with his August numbers signifcantly better: .314/.368/.457/.826. Enough to keep the Yanks from scrambling for another DH.

    Yanks are probably taking the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” view.

  11. luis August 15th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    Maybe they’re waiting on the various “Jesus” merchandise to be produced before calling him up?

    LOL!!!, maybe they are waiting for the Jesus bubbleheads!!

  12. UnKnown August 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    AJ is going to have to go to town and get lots of outs from the bottom 4 guys in KC’s lineup. First 5 are pretty respectable, Gordon, Cabrera, Hoz, Butler, Frenchy

  13. blake August 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    “Yanks are probably taking the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” view.”

    Eh….more.like if it’s nit terrible then why try and improve it.

  14. luis August 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    The Minority: sick of posters complaining about how he hasn’t been called up yet.

    —————————-

    That’s probably true as well…..

  15. Wave Your Hat August 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    “Eh….more.like if it’s nit terrible then why try and improve it.”

    I’d like to see Montero too but I doubt he could do better than what Cervelli and Chavez have been doing recently. Whether they can keep it up is another question of course.

  16. blake August 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Wave,

    I don’t know either……I just want them to find out and I don’t see the risk in doing that.

  17. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Wave,

    I tend to agree with blake’s perception that if it isn’t terrible why fix it…..The potential upside far outweights the downside to try it, besides in two weeks rosters expand, so bring cervelli back up then….If it works you can put Montero in the PS roster, if not, you go the way they have been playing….no harm whatsoever to try it>>>JMHO

  18. 108 stitches August 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
    108,
    OK, that’s one run. A double, wild pitch and a sac fly is the other. Will you take that?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    OK by me Tommy. I can live with it. As long as the Yankees win 3-2.

  19. MaineYankee August 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
    “They have Molina. ”

    what a brillaint back up plan for injury with the playoffs coming up.

    i can’t believe i didn’t see the genius in yankee planning.

    ————————————————————————

    I thought you’d like that idea. :lol:

    I’m not devaluing Montero.

    Someone needs to keep you sharp.

    I’m sorry I failed.

  20. tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    108,
    I’ll drink to that!

  21. Mordot11 August 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Does anyone know what the cutoff date is for when a call up starts his arbitration clock ticking? Under George i never would have raised this as a possibility, but Hal doesn’t seem to have the “win at all costs” mentality. Money matters to him, and if Montero is as good as advertised keeping him cheap for an extra year could very easily be on management’s mind.

  22. munson15 August 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Right on Erin!

  23. Wave Your Hat August 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    What I’m saying is I don’t see the Yanks sitting Cervelli or Chavez down as long as they are playing well, which they are right now. If they were awful the story might be different.

  24. jacksquat August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Go popo

  25. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    What if they bring up Montero for his cup of coffee in September but then never really play him….then the duct tape that’s holding Chavez together fails the week before the playoffs start?

  26. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Wave,

    Point taken……Still it wouldn’t hurt to try

  27. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Finally, somebody with the cojones to put it straight about jackasses like Jon Heyman and Keith Law.

    “pgammo Peter Gammons
    The nastiest, snarkiest tweets about players come from misenthrops who have no idea how tough it is to play”

  28. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    If you call him in September does his clock to free agency starts to click??

  29. Wave Your Hat August 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “What if they bring up Montero for his cup of coffee in September but then never really play him….then the duct tape that’s holding Chavez together fails the week before the playoffs start?”

    That’s why they pay Cashman the big bucks I guess.

  30. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Luis,

    They already have the extra year of control…..the cut off for that was awhile back.

  31. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Blake,

    then, there is no reason to keep him down

  32. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Wave,

    I think they’d be wishing they would have given Montero a chance to.show what he could do….

  33. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Does anyone know what the cutoff date is for when a call up starts his arbitration clock ticking? Under George i never would have raised this as a possibility, but Hal doesn’t seem to have the “win at all costs” mentality. Money matters to him, and if Montero is as good as advertised keeping him cheap for an extra year could very easily be on management’s mind.

    The cutoff to gain an extra year before free agency was something like April 17th. The cutoff to avoid super-2 status was in early may, around the 12th-17th. I don’t think september callups count towards service time.

  34. Villa Nova-Ya August 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    pat -

    Great post in the last thread. :)

    randy l -

    My only “thing” about Montero is I don’t see the urgency – what difference will it make if they wait until September 1st? I think it is valid to take roster makeup into consideration, and if you can bring him up without collateral disruption, the path of least resistance, so to speak, then why not?

    I have no doubts about his talent or whether or not he belongs. I do believe that at other times during the season, when it might have seemed opportune to bring him up, either he was not hitting, or he was dealing with injury (eye infection, hand?).

    I hope when the Yankees bring him up that he does get ample opportunity to show himself off.

  35. Bo knows August 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Arbitration was back in June. I’m on the “Montero is fine where he is” wagon, The kid is 21 years old. He’ll be up in 2 weeks. If he tears the cover off the ball for the remainder of the season he’s on the PS roster. This has been a great season considering all the angst this spring re starting pitching and BP. Jeter, A Rod and Chavez went down, Nunez stepped in and the Yankees did not miss a step. Nova came on strong, the two B’s are in AAA.

    “Patience young padewan”.

  36. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Bichette sends a bit of an update on Ravel Santana’s ankle injury.

    “Dante19jr Dante Bichette Jr
    by jnorris427
    Taking some of the boys to go visit Ravel. Broken ankle in two places and a bunch of torn ligaments. Please keep him in your prayers.”

  37. Wave Your Hat August 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    blake-

    My personal view is that the Yanks don’t think Montero is quite ready to succeed at catcher and likely won’t outperform (and may underperform) Chavez, as evidenced by the fact so they haven’t called Montero up yet.

    Since the Yanks are closer to the situation than I am, and since a lot a highly touted rookies struggle out of the box, I’m willing to give the Yanks the benefit of the doubt.

  38. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Very good post…..The issue is that if you don’t call him up before Sept 1st, you can’t use him in the post season roster….you could use the next two weeks to see if he is ready to have an impact.

  39. kd August 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    so the yankees can call up 15 on 9/1. i’m assuming that montero, manban, betances get the call. who else?

  40. RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Finally, somebody with the cojones to put it straight about jackasses like Jon Heyman and Keith Law.

    “pgammo Peter Gammons
    The nastiest, snarkiest tweets about players come from misenthrops who have no idea how tough it is to play”
    ——————————

    Perhaps not a direct reference, although I hope it is, the sentiment is appreciated.

  41. MaineYankee August 15th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    blake

    I think Montero is still in AAA so he can catch the 2 B’s so they can all come up together next year. :D

  42. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Wave,

    Maybe…..but you just never know. Desmond Jennings has been kept down forever and he’s certainly not struggling …..he’s performing significantly better than he had in Durham.

  43. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Master Kenobi ( aka Bo Knows ), lol

    You are right on all you said….but, it’s an experiment worth trying that wouldn’t hurt the team, on the contrary it would add more flexibility in case Chavez goes down with an injury

  44. rb from LI August 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Very good post…..The issue is that if you don’t call him up before Sept 1st, you can’t use him in the post season roster

    —-

    Not entirely correct. I could be wrong by I think if someone from the 25 man is DL’d they can add a player from the 40 man roster regardless of when the call up occurred. I think that’s how they were able to get Guzman on the roster in 2009.

  45. RayVT August 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    The funny thing is once Montero comes up and if he plays as expected everyone will be asking why didn’t he come up sooner! LOL! That is why they call us fanatics (fans!)!

  46. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    rb from LI August 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    You are correct….But you want to find out before that happens if he can have an impact, JMHO

  47. Nick in SF August 15th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    “the way you tell a lot about someone and how they handle pressure is to put them in a situation that might be over their head at the time. sometimes they may surprise you.”

    Not if that situation involves swinging a bat in chilly weather. Brrrrrrr!

  48. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    RayVT August 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Or we could be eating our words LOL!!, you never know, that’s the fun part

  49. JM August 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    No ManBan in September??

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....um=twitter

  50. waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Keith Law may be snarky but he knows what he’s talking about. That’s more than I can say about Peter Gammons (how many years did he play baseball again?).

  51. rb from LI August 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    luis, true… you do want to see what he can do — the more time to evaluate that the better it would be. I was just responding to the timing of the call up and post season eligibility.

  52. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Personally I find Law to be a guy who thinks he knows more than he actually does…..im not sure what qualifications he has to evaluate players…..

  53. waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Good, Banuelos has been good but not great at AAA. He isn’t ready.

  54. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    rb from LI August 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I know….. good call anyway

  55. RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    I’m not exactly familiar with Keith Law’s work, but what are his claims to fame with the Blue Jays? They didn’t exactly flourish when he was around.

  56. luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    JM August 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Maybe they want to beef up his innings, so he can be a viable option as a 5th starter next season

  57. waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Keith Law was a special assistant to Riccardi in Toronto. Before that he was a major and minor league scout. He resigned to work for ESPN because they were going to give him more money. He’s well qualified.

  58. ac1 August 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Good, Banuelos has been good but not great at AAA. He isn’t ready.

    ___

    True, but at least he and Betances are not at AAA. One step closer to playing for the big team…

  59. ac1 August 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Can someone tell me exactly what Big Z is protesting? He walked out, took his stuff and ‘retired’. You don’t get paid when you retire, so being suspended is the same thing…..

    He has no case…

  60. JM August 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    # luis August 15th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    JM August 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Maybe they want to beef up his innings, so he can be a viable option as a 5th starter next season
    ____________

    Good point, luis…..

    The bullpen at the moment is pretty stacked, too.

  61. blake August 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    What qualified him to be a scout? Goin to an ivy league school?

  62. Bo knows August 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    We all admire Tampa as a well run organization and they hold back their players for a long time. Hughes, Joba and IPK, even Cabrera were were all rushed and then struggled, sometimes for years. There are strong indicators both ways. Really glad that they aren’t bringing Banuelos up – as Cashman said “He’s in AAA at 20″, so was Montero.

  63. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    “Personally I find Law to be a guy who thinks he knows more than he actually does…..im not sure what qualifications he has to evaluate players…..”

    blake -

    i get the feeling that he’s a smart guy who really should be doing something more productive with his life.

    he really doesn’t add much to the game of baseball. i never read him.

  64. waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    You realize that Gammons is probably referring to a twitter update about how the Twins were lucky to get anything for the corpse of Delmon Young right?

    And Law’s prospect rankings are routinely referenced by a large portion of the baseball community. So he must be doing something right. The people who hate on Law do so because he uses saber stats.

  65. Giuseppe Franco August 15th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I tend to agree that Banuelos isn’t ready to pitch in the major leagues yet, but I wouldn’t come to that conclusion simply based on his raw numbers in three starts for Scranton.

    His promotion to Triple-A certainly wasn’t based solely on his numbers at Trenton.

    There’s a lot more that goes into developing a young ballplayer than simply reading his stats.

  66. waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Admitting you don’t read a guy and then saying he doesn’t add anything to the game. He’s only a senior writer at ESPN. No big deal.

  67. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
    You realize that Gammons is probably referring to a twitter update about how the Twins were lucky to get anything for the corpse of Delmon Young right?

    And Law’s prospect rankings are routinely referenced by a large portion of the baseball community. So he must be doing something right. The people who hate on Law do so because he uses saber stats.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Whatever you say, keith. Now, stop trolling.

  68. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    im not sure what qualifications he has to evaluate players….

    He was employed by the Blue Jays and did actually do scouting in the majors/minors.

  69. yankee 221 August 15th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    To be fair, most people who “played the game” are not going to end up being baseball writers or even scouts. This is not 1950 anymore.

    Heck, more and more, people who barely played the game are becoming high-ranking baseball executives. Most of the stat-oriented guys fit that bill too.

  70. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    i don’t hate keith law. if people wouldn’t bring him up here, i wouldn’t think of keith law.

    keith law isn’t important enough to think about.

  71. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “He’s only a senior writer at ESPN.”

    who cares about espn?

    i only watch them when they hijack my yankee game from mlb.com

  72. BTX August 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Law’s credentials far eclipse the like of Heyman, Rosenthal, Stark, etc. At least the guy worked for an organization and was a scout for a while.

    I’m not sure what people here categorize as “credentials”. Does anyone who writes/talks about baseball in the media have to be a 10 yr MLB vet? I think guys who played that long in MLB have better things to do than become a writer when they retire.

  73. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    JF,

    What qualified him to be a scout though?

  74. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    “Law’s credentials far eclipse the like of Heyman, Rosenthal, Stark,”

    i don’t read any of these guys because i watch the yankees more than they do.

    all the regulars on the blog watch the yankees more than these guys do.

    who needs them.

  75. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Gammons, Heyman, etc are reporters though…..they pass on opinion based on information from scouts……they don’t claim to be scouts themselves.

  76. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    waka flocka August 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
    Keith Law was a special assistant to Riccardi in Toronto. Before that he was a major and minor league scout. He resigned to work for ESPN because they were going to give him more money. He’s well qualified.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I don’t give a damned whether he worked for Riccardi or Bacardi. He’s still a punk. He’s more interested in being the next Don Rrickles than giving out information….you know, his job?

  77. Abomb82 August 15th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Personally, I prefer analysis from guys like Law compared to listening to guys who “played the game” like Ron Dibble, Mitch Williams, Jon Kruk, Rick Sutclife, etc.

    Sutcliffe won a CY Young and was a successful MLB pitcher… but does he sound like he knows anything about baseball when he speaks?

    Let’s be real, there are as many idiots who played MLB who talk baseball as there are people who never played the game who are idiots.

  78. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    What qualified him to be a scout though?

    What qualifies anyone to be a scout? A love for baseball, knowledge of the game, and attention to detail. Lots of people start in other places work in scouting at some point because it is a learned skill. And like anything, there are good and bad people. Did you mean did he ever play minor or major league baseball?

  79. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    plus , why do we need keith law when we have our very own jerkface to give us our daily minimum requirement of saber stats ?

    plus jerkface actually likes the yankees, at least most of the time :)

  80. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    “Sutcliffe won a CY Young and was a successful MLB pitcher… but does he sound like he knows anything about baseball when he speaks?”

    drunk or sober?

    i’m not sure i’ve ever heard him speak when he was sober.

  81. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    JF,

    Did he ever play at all?

  82. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Billy Eppler played college ball and thats it, and he didnt start in scouting but got assigned there to broaden his knowledge base and now he is like pretty hot stuff for the Yankees. I wouldn’t begrudge him anything.

    I, personally, do not like Keith Law because I find him to be a pretentious douche, but I’m not gonna say he knows nothing. He is far better than Rosenthal or Heyman who are simple journalists that should not be masquerading as analysts. Unless they are telling us what someone else analyzed.

  83. kd August 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    the one thing that bothers me about the espn guys is that they pass on a scout’s opinion like it’s fact. scouts are paid for their opinion, and i bet they disagree a fair bit. so a boston guy like gammons could easily find, or fabricate, a scout who says just about anything and then claim it’s the truth. like all the scouts who say that montero will never catch in the bigs. or all of the scouts who said cano was lazy. you can’t be lazy and hit over 300 in the bigs.

  84. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    kd,

    I read something somewhere that journalists often use the anonymous scout as a platform for their own opinions, so I take pretty much all anonymous tips with a grain of salt :)

    And I always say, scouts are like any job, theres going to be idiots and guys who are good, and guys who just coast. And every prospect was scouted, so theres obviously not a bunch of geniuses out there scouting perfect players.

    its why Scouts and Saber should work hand in hand :)

  85. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    JF,

    But he played in college…..so he at least has stood in the box before against legit competition. I think you can have a lot of knowledge about the game without ever playing it at a high level…..im not saying otherwise. I just take guys like Law with a grain of salt because I really have no idea what background their opinions are based from……how.do I know he really knows what a plus slider looks like?

  86. mick August 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    LOL!!!, maybe they are waiting for the Jesus bubbleheads!
    =============================
    Ha! you mean bobble heads.

  87. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    how.do I know he really knows what a plus slider looks like?

    Come on, guy, you don’t have to stand in the box to know what a plus slider is because scouts dont stand in the box! You are talking about guys trying to scout a game of baseball from the stands. Read Dollar Sign on the Muscle, its pretty informative on scouts and how they operate.

  88. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    And plus, how do you know anyone who has played knows what a plus slider is? Guys a scout because he sucked at baseball, but wants to stay in the game, maybe every slider looked plus to him :)

  89. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    I agree. Somebody needs to use a sabre of Law’s tongue and fingers.

  90. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    How is playing with Aluminum bats vs shakey competition or playing in the minors going to prepare a guy to scout a player? You’re talking about players working to improve themself vs having to have the ability to watch and analyze someone else.

  91. kd August 15th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    that makes sense jerkface. it just seems to me that often guys like jason stark say thing like, “scouts think he’s lazy and will never hit in the majors.” which often turns out to be simply wrong.

    it’s not an indictment on scouts, or saber folks for that matter, it’s a lack of professionalism for espn journalists who just seem to spout bs

    and you’re right to take most of it with a grain of salt.

    that said, a strong start by aj tonight and i think we’re all feeling a lot better

  92. luis August 15th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Mick,

    LOL!, but my got across right??!!

  93. BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Montero is coming up. At this point, is it critical whether that happens now or in 2 weeks?

  94. luis August 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    My point….another typo

  95. BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Keith Law can be entertaining, but I’d caution against using his articles as anything more than entertainment.

    ESPN isn’t exactly batting 1.000 with their “expert” predictions over the years.

  96. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    JF,

    That’s kinda my point…..that’s why I don’t put a ton of.stock in what they say. Scouts work in group think a lot also…..

  97. Joe from Long Island August 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    GB – My impression of Gammons is that – for all his Red Sox shillin’ – he really cares about the game, and the players.

  98. BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Yankees general manager Brian Cashman indicated Monday that it’s unlikely prospect left-hander Manny Banuelos will be called up from the minors when rosters expand in September.

    “You may or may not see him,” said Cashman. “It’s more likely you won’t see him. There are no plans for him to join us. He is 20 years old. He is at Triple-A (Scranton-Wilkes Barre) right now and there are no plans to push him. That could change, but …”

    sorry if this was already posted.

  99. m August 15th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Keith Law may be snarky, but at least he has some credibility. He’s not a mouthpiece for one team.

    Though, to give Gammons some credit, he has toned it down since he left espn.

  100. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Plus theres things like advance scouting vs prospect scouting. I could tell you what Lester throws in a 2-2 count :) But I probably cant tell you if my friends brother in HS is gonna turn into the next Derek Jeter. Speaking of which, he was heavily scouted but threw it all away to drugs and just acting like an idiot, I could have told the scouts that part

  101. m August 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Well, he shouldn’t be credit for that.

    “To be fair…”

  102. Nick in SF August 15th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Would Montero’s arb clock/Super Two status come into play if they don’t bring him up for real until next season? Or was that just in play this year?

  103. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Joe from Long Island August 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    GB – My impression of Gammons is that – for all his Red Sox shillin’ – he really cares about the game, and the players.

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    Joe, was never real fond of Gammons, mostly because he’s never seen a Boston player or prospect that wasn’t a HOFer-In-Waiting, but, he’s usually fair and civil when discussing other teams players.

  104. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Would Montero’s arb clock/Super Two status come into play if they don’t bring him up for real until next season? Or was that just in play this year?

    Yes, arb/super2 clocks are for when a prospect first enters the big leagues regardless of season.

  105. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    m August 15th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
    Keith Law may be snarky, but at least he has some credibility. He’s not a mouthpiece for one team.

    Though, to give Gammons some credit, he has toned it down since he left espn.

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    Law is torn between puffing up the Toronto and Boston players and systems. He still puffs up Arrencibia as a top catcher every chance he gets and has the nerve to call Montero a butcher.

  106. Nick in SF August 15th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    So if they don’t bring him up soon… it could plausibly be worth it for them to keep him down until May/June next year. That wouldn’t go over too well around here.

  107. LGY August 15th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    What are Frankie Pilliere’s qualifications?

  108. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    cranton games are rained out. Rodriguez hits against Matt Moore on Thursday. Banuelos and Betances get the next two starts in scranton.

  109. tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Pete Gammons and I were counselors together at a Maine summer camp back in the day. He thought he could pitch and was a side armer and submarine pitcher. In the annual intra-counselor game, he drilled me in the back with a pretty fair fastball. The next inning, threw him out at second trying to steal. He was a good guy then, and I suspect he still is, his opinions not withstanding.

  110. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    So if they don’t bring him up soon… it could plausibly be worth it for them to keep him down until May/June next year. That wouldn’t go over too well around here.

    If they want to avoid super-2, may of next year, if they want to just gain an extra year before FA, april of next year.

  111. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    “My impression of Gammons is that – for all his Red Sox shillin’ – he really cares about the game, and the players.”

    joe from long island-

    i was in the yankee dugout at fenway back in ’93 or ’94 for about 3 hours and gammons was doing tv interviews with the yankee players right next to where i was sitting. off camera he asked mattingly how he learned to hit the opposite way so well and mattingly told how his wiffle ball yard had a home run fence to left but not right field. the next thing you knew all the yankee players were telling about their whiffle ball yard.

    gammons triggered the whole discussion. the players were having fun with him and he with them.
    there is no doubt in my mind gammons loves the game of baseball. is he a red sox fan? sure, but he’s the real deal as a baseball writer.

    i can’t remember the last time i’ve read one of his articles though, but that’s simply because there are so many direct ways to get baseball info now.

  112. luis August 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Interesting bit of information…..thanks for sharing it

  113. RadioKev August 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    I appreciate the Law was a scout and he worked for the Jays, but can anyone point to an actual professional accomplishment of his? I’m not being sarcastic, just name the names instead of his job description.

  114. luis August 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Likewise Randy I

  115. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I appreciate the Law was a scout and he worked for the Jays, but can anyone point to an actual professional accomplishment of his? I’m not being sarcastic, just name the names instead of his job description.

    You’ll have to ask the Blue Jays

  116. randy l. August 15th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    “Montero is coming up. At this point, is it critical whether that happens now or in 2 weeks?”

    BD-

    i just want to watch montero play for the yankees for pure entertainment value.

    it’s really going to be fun watching him break in.

    i can wait two weeks, but i’d rather not :)

  117. Jerkface August 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    If the Yankees are going to bring Montero up this season, delaying it is the stupid move. ‘What does 2 weeks matter?’ It matters if you care about his development. If they aren’t going to bring him up then the 2 weeks dont matter because he isn’t coming up.

  118. Joe from Long Island August 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    GB – yes, that Red Sox slant/mountainside can rub one the wrong way.

    randy – interesting story. thanks for sharing.

    I was fortunate to go the the 2008 AS Game at the old Stadium. We sat in the bleachers, right next to the railing over the runway to the street. Across from us, next to the LF seats over old Monument Park, ESPN set up their elevated studio. We got there early, and saw Berman and the crew. Steve Phillips waving to us. That sort of thing. And then, Peter Gammons arrives. He very slowly walked up the long steps to get to the platform, carrying an old, beat-up briefcase.

    And when he got there, and was recognized, it was like royalty was there.

    It was quite a thing to behold, the respect in which he was held.

    He does have his moments, when every Red Sox player is a stud and future HOFer. But, he knows and loves the game. That is very clear. There is no other reason why someone his age, with what he has accompished, still walks up very long stairs, carrying an old briefcase, to see a ballgame.

  119. Niblick August 15th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Forget Montero for this year.

  120. Nick in SF August 15th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    I am now officially skeptical that we’ll see Montero before September 1.

    And unless he tears it up in limited at-bats (high hurdle), that could be it until May/June 2012.

    :cry:

  121. MaineYankee August 15th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    tomingeorgia

    Where in Maine was the camp?

  122. blake August 15th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    “What are Frankie Pilliere’s qualifications?”

    No clue….but he does seem to have a good grasp on what he’s looking at and the mechanics of the game…….plus he tends to like Yankee prospects so I like him :)

    I didn’t mean to suggest that you had to play pro ball to be a scout…..or even play at all. All I was saying is that I take most scouts reviews with a grain of salt especially anonymous ones…..

  123. LGY August 15th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Blake

    Yeah, I have no idea either. I’m curious though and was wondering if someone on here knew.

  124. blake August 15th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    JF,

    That’s what I was saying earlier……not sure what impact 2 more weeks in Scranton is going to have on his development.

  125. BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    “BD-

    i just want to watch montero play for the yankees for pure entertainment value.

    it’s really going to be fun watching him break in.

    i can wait two weeks, but i’d rather not :)

    ———–

    oh, i agree 100%

    but after 5 months of talking about it, I can also wait another 2 weeks

  126. blake August 15th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Gammons is a baseball guy…..he’s a Sox fan and he’s had more and more trouble hiding it but I can’t recall him ever saying anything bad about the Yankees…..Arod chose him to interview him for the steroids confession because he knew he’d be fair. Plus he’s a Tarheel. :)

  127. m August 15th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    You don’t hear Law hawking much of anything now. Yankees have the top ranked system, and so there’s not much to poke at.

    re: Gammons? I noticed more bias after he came back from his stroke. The Sox must have convinced him that they saved his life. ;)

  128. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Joe, baseball used to have some great writers that was their real passion. Detroit had Joe Falls, Chicago had Jerome Holtzman, Atlanta had Furman Bisher, LA had Jim Murray. NY had the predicessors to jerks like Lupica, Sherman and Matthews when they had Dick Young, Jimmy Cannon and Henry Hecht. There isn’t that kind of writing talent around today, though it’s getting a little better. Getting guys into the big leagues of writing when guys like Chad and Sam started by following around the minor leaguers because that was the only local access people had to ballplayers. It’s good to see more time and space devoted to the kids, but, it really makes the minor league baseball writers appreciate where they are and hopefully not forget that struggle. Weed out the slugs like Lupica, Matthews, J. Heyman and Sherman and replace them with guys not to lzy to write a story.

  129. BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    GB7,

    dont forget to add ESPN’s Jim Caple to the list of slugs (and of course there are plenty more)

  130. GreenBeret7 August 15th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    BD, I never thought of Caple as a writer any more than I do Neyer. Those two do to words what a pre-schooler does with crayons to a Di Vinci.

  131. joeman August 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    said it since ST when Montero didn’t make the team that you won’t see him until Sept unless there was a injury….

  132. luis August 15th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) August 15th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    GB7,

    dont forget to add ESPN’s Jim Caple to the list of slugs (and of course there are plenty more)

    ——————————

    Now that guy is really a tool!!

  133. tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Maine,
    It was Camp Timonus, Raymond, Maine.

  134. MaineYankee August 15th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    tomingeorgia August 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
    Maine,
    It was Camp Timonus, Raymond, Maine.

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    I’m not familiar with the camp.

    Raymond is about 30mi. from me.


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