Nova “doesn’t need a mulligan” after last night
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 17, 2011 
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Here’s the short version of Ivan Nova last night: He wasn’t very good. With the Yankees rotation still uncertain, Nova’s been underwhelming — at best — in back-to-back starts.
“He doesn’t need a mulligan,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s pitched really well. We’ve seen great pitchers get hit. That’s going to happen. He just hung some pitches tonight.”
Nova won again, but it was a win that belonged to the bullpen and the lineup, not the starting pitcher.
“It felt different,” Nova said. “I think I had command in the beginning, and the slider, I just stopped trying because I don’t think it was the right pitch at the time. We don’t make the pitch when we had to make it, and that was the difference in the game.”
There were times when Nova was good last night. He had some perfectly clean innings, then he had some multi-run innings. Big picture: It was a sloppy night in a good season. Maybe it was a bump in the road, or maybe it was a cautionary tale for a young pitcher still finding himself at this level.
“I thought he kind of got on a roll, then he didn’t,” Girardi said. “They’ve swung the bat well off of Nova. Is that because they see him or because he’s made mistakes? Tonight, when he made his pitches, he got them out. When he made mistakes, they hit him. That’s what hitters are supposed to do.”
Or, as Nova put it: “When you make mistakes, you have to pay for that. This is not minor leagues. We’re in the big leagues, so you better make sure you throw the right pitch at the right time.”
Here’s Nova.
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Happy Birthday Posada!
Erin
Has your delivery of Junior Mints arrived yet?
More inflamarory bs language from Chad. Nova’s been “underwhelming” in back to back starts? That’s just inaccurate. Yesterday was bad but the previous one was a Quality Start. Why don’t you get your facts right for a change? If you want to serve as a mouthpiece for the organization, that’s your prerogative, but don’t call yourself a journalist.
MaineYankee-yes. I had to make a special trip on my way home last night.
Erin August 17th, 2011 at 9:09 am
MaineYankee-yes. I had to make a special trip on my way home last night.
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I just thought you might have set up a daily delivery.
Not worried about Ivan because he has Novatude.
When you have that you’re a winner.
MaineYankee August 17th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I just thought you might have set up a daily delivery.
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I should set up a delivery. That’s not a bad idea.
Hey, I said mulligan last night.
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Niblick-you always seem to have problems with whatever Chad writes. If you hate his writing so much, don’t read it.
Took in the last two games at the Big K and one thing stood out more than anything:
Swisher has a lot of fun at the ballpark. The guy is always loose and having a great time. Watching how he interacts with his teammates during BP is really a treat.
If I was Chad, I would just ban him.
Nova will be a beast for years if we just have patience. He’s gone from a barely-five inning guy last year to arguably one of the better pitchers in the league in 2011. He will be a factor in the playoffs and he will probably put up vintage Wang-type numbers next year and beyond.
“one of the better pitchers in the league in 2011.”
That’s a little over enthusiastic.
As of this morning:
Yanks lead AL in runs per game
Yanks lead AL in run differential
Yanks are 2nd in AL in team ERA
Not too shabby
CountryClub August 17th, 2011 at 9:26 am
As of this morning:
Yanks lead AL in runs per game
Yanks lead AL in run differential
Yanks are 2nd in AL in team ERA
Not too shabby
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Shush with your “statistics.” The Red Sox are clearly the best team in baseball. Didn’t you see their great off season?
CC-
I believe they also have the #1 BP in all of baseball.
AND the #1 rated farm system.
Yup.
Not too shabby.
The ump took away the bottom of the strike zone from both pitchers last night, The walk in the sixth was especially bad. Everthing had to be up to get called a strike and the score reflected it.
Niblick is good for comic relief. His rants about Binder Joe are especially comical considering the status of the Yankee BP for the last three years. Gee, maybe the binder contributes to the BP success, ya think?
Nova is building trust and Hughes is working on doing the same. After a couple of “blips”, C.C. will be back to his same trusty self. Colon and Garcia are likely to throw quality starts. Did I leave anybody out that is trustworthy as a starting pitcher ?
Gee, maybe the binder contributes to the BP success, ya think?
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He’s not the only one that goes on endless “binder” rants on here, many others do as well. People will scrutinize every move Girardi makes during a game, but the guy has produced results. The Yankees have had a consistant bullpen ever since he joined, and it’s not just the star guys, even the guys who struggle have turned it around under Girardi.
Joba_62 School morning day 2 = success! Live for today and prepare for tomorrow. Life moves fast enough, stay in the moment and truly appreciate it
When someone rants only towards the negative I find no humor in that.
They lose all credibility to me especially when the rants aren’t accurate.
Also, Ellsbury is having a very good yr. But can the MSM give the MVP talk a rest? Him and granderson play the same position. So their stats are apples to apples. Granderson has 11 more HRs. He has 22 more runs scored. He has 16 more RBI. He has a 61 point advantage in OPS. Ellsbury has a better BA but they have the same OBP. And Ellsbury has 33 steals to 22 for Grandy. They both play avg or slightly above avg defense.
There is no way that Ellsbury should be MVP over Granderson (if it came down to the 2 of them).
Joba must have discovered the “Saying for a day, calendar”. Wonder what was for brekky today?
“..even the guys who struggle have turned it around under Girardi.”
Can anyone say, “Boone Logan.” I’ll be the first to admit I wanted to hang Uncle Joe every time he called on Logan… but his trust in the kid ended up paying off. I don’t get nearly as sick when he comes out of the pen now. Thats my litmus test: trial by vomit.
# Bo knows August 17th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Joba must have discovered the “Saying for a day, calendar”. Wonder what was for brekky today?
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Yesterday he was serving Little Joba doughnuts. Not exactly a shocker..
Bo knows August 17th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Joba must have discovered the ?Saying for a day, calendar?. Wonder what was for brekky today?
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LOL
That sounds like a game-guess what Joba and Karter had for breakfast?
MTU -
Good morning. Got to get here early, before they open the asylum gates.
MaineYankee -
I agree!
Shame-I still say a doughnut is a very nice treat on the first day of school.
Also, shouldn’t Adrian Gonzalez have more RBIs than he does? With that batting average, and with Ellsbury and Pedroia having “MVP seasons” aren’t there more runners on base for him?
Granderson has produced much more than anyone on the Red Sox, hitting higher in the line up, with the guys batting ahead of him NOT having “MVP” caliber seasons.
But ya know, Granderson plays the worst CF in all of baseball, so he shouldn’t win.
Lol Erin I’m a big advocate of doughnuts/cake/pudding for breakfast! As Bill Cosby pointed out, these things are made with eggs and milk so thats actually a well balanced meal if you think about it…with increasingly twisted logic… but hey, thats what the objective pipe is for!
Shame Spencer,
Even Kyle Farnsworth was producing under Girardi. Much better than he ever did under Torre! I think there are probably many reasons why are bullpen has been good as of late, great players for one, a great farm system, great scouting for “scrap” players, but also great management of the pen.
RadioKev -
If the Yankees win the WS, and Granderson gets a ring, I’m sure he’d not feel bad about A-Gon geting the MVP for a losing team, lol.
RadioKev – I think someone posted the number of plate appearances for Granderson vs. Gonzalez with men in scoring position and I think Gonzalez had about 50 more shots to nab an RBI than Grandy.
If the Red Sox have 3 players jockeying for MVP that I’m a little confused as to why they aren’t running away with the division…
Al-
Mornings do tend to be more mellow.
Shame-I like Cosby’s logic there. A lot.
Trade AJ to the Nationals in the offseason, and toss is $5-6 million per year. Not a bad fit–close to Maryland and his wife, it’s the NL where he would thrive.
What would the return be?
I’ll admit that I found the “Binder Joe” comments irritating – that’s like calling somone “spreadsheet”. It misses the mark by such a wide margin.
It’s such a one track comment that you can time the venom.
“Binder Joe”
“Good BP”
“Binder Joe”
Endless loop
No doubt, BIG AL. Winning MVP and not winning the World Series is just a mere consolation prize. I think any player would take a World Series win over MVP.
Mike -
Once the sun comes up, I thought they were supposed to go back into their boxes.
Pitt-
Not too much.
Maybe just Harper or Strasburg.
How about having the entire Yankees team vying for WS MVP, that would be sweet.
I’ll be really impressed if Strasburg is pitching again in the bigs this season. That would be freaky.
Al-
That’s only in Hollywood.
Not in real life.
Nova got blown up last start and the one before it he gave up 3 runs, struck out no one, and left with the bases loaded no outs. Thats underwhelming. Underwhelming doesn’t mean DFA him.
Bo knows,
I agree…..I hate to make excuses but I think the strike zone last night negatively affected Nova…..how.much I don’t know but when you take the lower half of the zone away from a guy who throws a sinker…..then that’s kinda tough for them. The ump made him get the ball up….he did and it flattened out.
MG,
From the last thread…..K long preaches conventional stuff….textbook style hitting (which I love)….but that doesn’t mean its for everybody, Jeter is an unconventional guy and so it makes sense that what he needs to be successful may not always jive with what Long wants him to do…..doesn’t make Long a bad hitting coach….just means he may not be for everyone.
MTU -
I agree on Harper, he should have been a Yankee from day one. I’ll pass on Strasburg, I feel his career will be filled with injuries, and unfilled promises.
“Shush with your “statistics.” The Red Sox are clearly the best team in baseball. Didn’t you see their great off season?”
and
Today I am looking brilliant, perspicacious, right on the money, awesome in my knowledge as well as in my outlook – and everything else that says the same thing! Why? Because I am one of the lohuddites who never criticizes the Yankees no matter what!!!
I have total faith in the organization, in Joe Girardi, yes even in AJ Burnett. So today, as our awesome and mighty Yankees sit in first place, I am looking like the Oracle at Delphi. I prophesied the demise of the lowly and overrated Suxers and their skulkery (I made it up) towards the pits of hell, and well they are in second place. Everything in good time!
But for today I am sitting pretty. Tomorrow may be a different story, but for today my faith has well been paid.
Even if you don’t want to buy any of that, there is no denying that patience is a virtue and good waiters get good tips.
Once again, Jerkface hits the nail on the head. It pays to watch these games, you can learn so much.
“What would the return be?”
An L screen and 3 fungoes …..they’d have to eat at least half to move him I think but I would eat half and save the rest if possible.
trisha -
Happy days are here again! Just wish you could join in and be a bit more upbeat.
Trisha-
I hope you keeping up on your spicy Dinner meals.
They’re good for your health, and even if they aren’t they’re good for your soul.
blake -
The upside would be seeing AJ go 18-5 in the NL East, and then hearing those here cry for his return, lol.
Why does everyone think Nova should have a guaranteed rotation spot?
He’s still clearly the most qualified AAA pitcher on this roster.
Re-alignment? Just for laughs, move the RS and Blue Jays to the NL East, and the Braves to the AL East.
Right now, Nova is the second best SP on the roster, that’s why he deserves to stay in NY.
Later folks, y’all have a great day, and play nice.
“Even Kyle Farnsworth was producing under Girardi. Much better than he ever did under Torre! I think there are probably many reasons why are bullpen has been good as of late, great players for one, a great farm system, great scouting for “scrap” players, but also great management of the pen.
Absolute bingo.
Scott Proctor, Brian Bruney, Tanyon Sturtze, and Randy Choate (amongst others) should sue St. Joe for either ruining or shortening their careers!
YESNetwork Alex Rodriguez in action during Triple-A rehab start. – VIDEO: http://t.co/4rxpctC
Good morning to:
Shame, Erin, MTU, MY, and Big Al and GB if he is out there, Kate too.
WCYF isn’t up yet, so things are sane.
Erin what are junior mints?
Great to be back in first. Had to check the standings just see us first, by ourselves, this morning.
Sorry to Miss you Trisha, Good morning to you!
Top of the morning Comet.
MTU how is life treating you? we’ll be heading in your general direction sometime this fall. Going to Palm Desert, CA.
MTU gold closing in on $1800.00!
I have total faith in the organization, in Joe Girardi, yes even in AJ Burnett.
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You lose credibility with the AJ part.
Morning Comet!
They don’t have Junior Mints in Canada?? That’s awful. They’re tiny little mints-creamy mint on the inside covered in dark chocolate. Also known as the greatest movie candy ever.
MTU – Lord knows I am doing my level best! A very sad event happened though. Our local Taco Bell has been shut down while they build a new building right next to the old one. So I have had to look elsewhere for my portion of spicy food! I tried to talk the chef into working for me while they were closed down but alas, he said I couldn’t afford him!
Comet-
Think about stopping by.
Let me know if you’re interested.
It’s gonna go alot higher with these jokers running the show.
Blake totally agree on Long.
The thing I admire about him is that he doesn’t preach. Until Granderson came to him and asked for help, Long left him alone. Teix must drive him insane on every at bat.
Nova is the “second best pitcher on this roster?” Really?
That’s just total nonsense.
He’s been crappy in 2 consecutive starts.
He’s given up 124 hits in 117 innings.
He has 69 strikeouts ALL YEAR long.
1.41 WHIP. Well over 3 walks per nine innings.
Until he shows he can throw his slider to miss bats with consistency, he’s a backend prospect. He’s had that good slider pretty much in ONE start this year. I love how people talk about how Hughes needs to develop “consistency” with his secondary pitches while ignoring the fact that Nova himself basically doesn’t have any secondary pitches either.
Trust me, I love Ivan Nova. I think he has a good arm and I’m all for letting it develop. But the hyperbole that all of a sudden has surrounded this guy since he came back from AAA is utter nonsense. Stuff like “he’s the game two pitcher in a playoff series right now!” He’s pretty clearly the worst starting pitcher on the Yankees, AJ Burnett included, and the organization certainly had the right idea when they sent him to AAA the first time around. They wouldn’t be wrong to do it again.
Erin they sound good. I’ll look for them next time we cross the river. Do you have Tim Horton’s in your Area?
Trisha-
It is good to see you again.
I’m sorry about what happened here.
A real shame.
Even ocassional drive-bye’s are good.
Hi comet! So good to see you!!!
“You lose credibility with the AJ part.”
Well since he won the first game of the series and set the tone, I will claim AJ as a good thing.
“I hope you keeping up on your spicy Dinner meals.”
Oh are we cooking for the playoffs again this year?!
Morning Comet!
Bo Knows,
I know….Tex must just drive him nuts to watch because he’s like the anti-Molitor…..whatever works though.
The prophecy must be fullfilled…..the Red Sox must win the division by 10 games. It shall begin any day now……
Shame-
Why not ?
‘I will claim AJ as a good thing’…………………….Right he’s fixed.
Comet-I’m not sure. Doesn’t sound familiar.
You take the bottom half of the strike zone away from any pitcher who relies on a sinker and they are probably going to have problems
Erin Tim Horton’s is Canada’s largest and just about only donut chain. You’d like them. I’d recommend the Boston Cream. Kate knows of them.
MTU, it was really an unfortunate thing. Some awesome posters (and I don’t me) were lost because of that psycho lunatic. So unfair that those people don’t and won’t post here anymore because of his vile antics while he continues to hold court under different screen names.
But I am a firm beliver in karma.
And also that he won’t dare step out of line and try to out anyone else since he knows now that his identity is totally known. Real tough guy.
But that said, it is so good to be here, and maybe the drive-bys will encourage some of the others to try it out again. I sure hope so.
“The prophecy must be fullfilled…..the Red Sox must win the division by 10 games. It shall begin any day now……”
Tim Horton’s low fat blueberry muffins were the best I ever tasted. Put Dunkin Donuts to shame. But several months ago they stopped carrying them, at least around here.
comet August 17th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Erin Tim Horton?s is Canada?s largest and just about only donut chain. You?d like them. I?d recommend the Boston Cream. Kate knows of them.
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mmmmm..you had me at “donut”
sure…game on the line, 7th game WS, bet your life on AJ…
Trisha-
Whatever is best for you and the others.
The pups are callin’. Later.
All – I just have to say that I’m getting to make my first trip to the new Yankee stadium a week from tomorrow, and I’m so psyched I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!! Field level seats (I think) in Section 117B.
I live out of state and don’t get to NY often these days, although I made many previous trips to the old stadium.
Just had to announce to everyone how excited I am! (Thanks for listening).
“sure…game on the line, 7th game WS, bet your life on AJ…”
I’d have as much faith in him as I do now. Nobody said you need to follow suit.
mick August 17th, 2011 at 10:34 am
You know she would. Every plugged nickel.
Trisha so do most of us. I missed what happened but know that we’d love to have everyone back here again.
Hello Trisha! Hello Erin!
Good to see you back on here Trisha. I am with you Erin on the donut part! LOL!
Lots of doughnut talk this morning. Anyone ever have a PB&J one? Delicious.
On a side note: If anything Yoplait ever produced actually tasted like a Boston Creme doughnut people would actually lose some weight.. Its still just yogurt.
You know she would. Every plugged nickel.
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she’s all talk…
PittsburghYankeeFan August 17th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Trade AJ to the Nationals in the offseason, and toss is $5-6 million per year. Not a bad fit–close to Maryland and his wife, it’s the NL where he would thrive.
What would the return be?
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Great idea. Looking over the Nationals roster, they don’t have too much in the way of pitching but a good minor league position player would suffice. Warren, Phelps or Noesi could be ready to step up next year to replace Burnett.
Hi Ray
HipHipHorHay ——
Enjoy the park. Show up hungry… really good food options abound. You may have to sell a kidney to buy much, but dem’s the breaks.
Been there four times over two years… Champions Club last time was really sweet
But my favorite seats were in the front row of level 2 behind the 3B dugout. Awesome place to watch the game — as long as you don’t care much what happens in the LF corner!
HipHipHorHay, that is very exciting and those are very good seats!!! Who are the Yanks playing? You know at one point I was pretty selective about the teams I wanted to see the Yanks play if I was going to make the trek to the Stadium (I’m out of the state also) but ever since playing fantasy baseball and following the other teams and players more closely because of it, I think I would be thrilled to see just about any team play the Yankees. And since we know that any team can win on any given day, I’m sure whatever team you see will be well worth it!
Shame: 1. didn’t know there was a PB&J donut, but now I really want to try one
2. Totally agree
nobody in their right mind has faith in AJ.
“she’s all talk…”
Your envy is bleeding through!
Such a pleasant chap!
Now I’m hungry! LOL! I just had a root canal yesterday & I am in pain as well! LOL! But somehow, it is worth it to see the RSox in the rear view mirror this morning! LOL!
Thanks 86. Our tickets give us access to the Audi Club and the Mohegan Sports Bar, but I’ve heard those cost the aforementioned kidney even when you have access. What the hell, who needs both kidneys? Do they actually do the extraction on the spot or do I need to have the procedure performed beforehand?
“nobody in their right mind has faith in AJ.”
That very well may be true. I still have faith in AJ.
Erin August 17th, 2011 at 10:42 am
The PB & J Donut sent me over the top too! I love PB&J.
Morning RayVT. How are things this fine morning?
RayVT August 17th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Now I?m hungry! LOL! I just had a root canal yesterday & I am in pain as well!
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sorry to hear that.
Feel better!
Hey Ray!!! I’ve never had a root canal but I have heard that they are really unpleasant. Are you taking anything for the pain?
“. Warren, Phelps or Noesi could be ready to step up next year to replace Burnett.”
I think they’ll look into it this winter. If they think those guys can produce as well as AJ or better then why not try and.move him…..even if you have to eat some money you’re still saving the rest
G-C August 17th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Until he shows he can throw his slider to miss bats with consistency, he’s a backend prospect.
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It sounds like the Yankees might be better off selling high on Nova in the off season. You can call him a backend prospect but I suspect he’s valued as more than that. Colorado really wanted him.
mick August 17th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Tons of it. Literally.
This is the place that was on Food Network’s Best Thing I Ever Ate for the PB&J donut. Definitely on my list for my NYC trip next week.
http://www.doughnutplant.com/
It’s done at checkout — if you spend too much they take both!
Enjoy
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Count me in as mindless then too as I still have faith in AJ being successful with the Yanks this year & more.
envy of what?
HipHipHorHay August 17th, 2011 at 10:36 am
All – I just have to say that I’m getting to make my first trip to the new Yankee stadium a week from tomorrow, and I’m so psyched I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!!! Field level seats (I think) in Section 117B.
I live out of state and don’t get to NY often these days, although I made many previous trips to the old stadium.
Just had to announce to everyone how excited I am! (Thanks for listening)
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Those are nice seats. You’ll have a great time.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2011 at 10:45 am
“nobody in their right mind has faith in AJ.”
That very well may be true. I still have faith in AJ.
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Great post trisha!! Who knew such a high value was placed on sanity in this place….
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2011 at 10:46 am
600 mg of Ibuprofen! LOL! The pharmacists said yesterday, is that all they gave you! LOL!
PB & J donut – yum yum yum!
Not to get off breakfast but did anyone taste the cheeseburger pizza that was part of the promotions during one of the seasons of the Apprentice? It was out of this world! But they (Dominoes I believe) only had it a short period of time and then I never saw it offered again.
aj is a #5 getting paid 85m….talk about bs.
I won’t even get into how the ‘Derek Jeter is finished, bat him 9th’ crowd was so wrong, it’s pretty funny, though, how those comments have disappeared with resurgence-21 RBIs in 22 games with 17 runs scored and a batting average north of .350 in that time.
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Jeter is hitting .265/. 327/.353 vs RHP since coming off the DL.
Shame –
Whatever I represent, I wear it proudly. If it’s someone’s idea of insanity, oh well!
I have faith that AJ could be a decent backend starter for the next couple of years……but I also have faith in the farm system and the kids that are coming along and getting close.to the big leagues. If AJ is better than those kids and earns his spot then fine…..but if he isnt hen they shouldn’t let him block them IMO.
Root canal’s are nothing. I had my first one about a year ago. Took Advil the first day and I was fine the following
mick August 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Noesi could be a .500 # 5, SP for $ 425,000.
Mick you exaggerate — AJ only gets $ 82.5 M — and what do you care? It’s not your money
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2011 at 10:45 am
“nobody in their right mind has faith in AJ.”
That very well may be true. I still have faith in AJ.
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Trisha :
I can agree with you on many things but Burnett is not one of them. He’s reached the level of his own incompetence, a.k.a. the Peter Principle.
talk is cheap
it’s not my money? wish we had a team of AJ’s?
LGY,
Wouldn’t you agree though that there has been a noticeable difference in his ABs vs all pitchers since his return? He’s driving the ball again….and much more frequently vs RHP and better than that slash line indicates IMO.
‘He’s reached the level of his own incompetence’
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Common Sense.
I don’t know if I’d say I have faith in AJ, but I believe he will probably be better the next couple of years. He could even turn in a decent start or two this October, although I have more faith in CC, Colon, Garcia, Nova, and Hughes (in that order) for those starts.
mick needs a puff of the objective pipe.
Derek Jeter has a .326 batting average since coming off the disabled list on July 4.
objectivity is seeing things as they are not as I’d want them to be…puff on that.
Erin August 17th, 2011 at 10:56 am
mick needs a puff of the objective pipe.
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I’m no fan of using “LOL” but I literally did laugh out loud at this one. Good thing I finished my coffee because I’d have it spewed down the front of my cheap dress shirt if not.
If AJ suddendly becomes able to repeat his delivery better and therefore command the ball better then he could pitch better over the rest of his contract…..if he doesn’t though then Id expect him to get worse as his velocity is trending down. Velocity is everything to AJ and it always has been…..
Hopefully Burnett will get left off the post season roster so Yankee Fans won’t have to endure the agony of his incompetence.
Dumping AJ would require adding an equally bad contract like Jason Bay’s deal. They both have the same outstanding balance through 2012 and 2013.
Other than paving the way for Betances and Banuelos, the primary advantage of adding Bay’s bad deal rather than a bad pitching contract (Zito, Zambrano) is Bay fits the roster in a way that allows the Yankees to shed additional payroll heading into free agency. By that I mean you can plug Bay into RF and just sign and trade Nick Swisher and his 10 million salary.
Your total play money for free agents would be around 31 million (Swisher (10) + Posada (13) + Marte (4) + Igawa (4)).
If you’re uncomfortable with the drop off from Swisher to Bay, you could tap that 31 million annually to lock up Prince Fielder or Jose Reyes.
That’s the best case scenario.
Otherwise, you’re stuck with AJ and he blocks Banuelos/Betances and you figure out a way to work around it.
Knowing the Yankees, they’ll probably head into the off season with little money to spend on Fielder/Reyes and do nothing to acquire a frontline starter.
where would prince fielder play on the yankees? do you want to tie up the DH?
Has anybody here seen the “highlights” of ARod having trouble catching the two foul balls down the 3rd base line last night?
I laughed.
Who cares the fans were booing him.
Its common knowledge that ARod’s weakness are pop flies.
Bret,
Bay is more expensive and less good than Swisher.
I wouldn’t trade AJ unless Im going to save money on the deal…..I would rather just keep him than take on an equally bad or worse contract. AJ can eat innings and he’s a good guy from everything I’ve read…..if I can’t save some money by trading him then I wouldn’t do it.
Triple Short of a Cycle August 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
LOL! I had one 4 years ago & it was a piece of cake! This one was different. I was in the chair for the root canal for 2½ hours while he almost dislocated my jaw, gums, & tongue. It was tooth #2 next to my wisdom tooth on my RH top side. To make matters worse, the 1½ hours with the dentist to put in the crown included her getting scalding hot glue on my cheek, gums & yes tongue. Nice burns.
Perhaps I could demonstrate for you that while advances have been made in dental work, I can still make it painful. LOL!
Blake
Yes, Jeter has looked better overall. Even with a very low Ops vs RHP he still is close to 100 points higher vs them than pre DL.
I do think when watching the games it’s difficult to separate out his at bats vs RHP and LHP so perception gets blurred a bit. To be honest I thought his numbers would be higher vs RHP.
But he continues to struggle vs them and it’s close to two full seasons now so I still support batting him 9th in those games.
As always I like him up to vs LHP. May actually want him at cleanup with the way he has hit them lately.
If Alex is overrunning pop ups then everything is normal and he’s ready to go
its always been amazing to me that a guy that was just born a baseball player could have so much trouble with a relatively easy part of the game……I guess everyone has their krytonite.
108, while that may very well be true, I have trouble believing anything until I’m presented with glossies! My mother always told us where there was life, there was hope. I’m definitely a hold out to the very end.
if I can’t save some money by trading him then I wouldn’t do it.
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You’d be able to save money by dumping the 10 million owed Swisher. Plus you’d likely receive a valuable asset in return if you traded him. He’s not in the long term picture regardless.
Warning Track Power August 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Has anybody here seen the ?highlights? of ARod having trouble catching the two foul balls down the 3rd base line last night?
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Definitely nothing out of the ordinary about him having trouble with pop ups
blake August 17th, 2011 at 11:00 am
If AJ got to the point where he could repeat his delivery consistently & correctly (for him) most likely his mph would increase as well.
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Why does Jason Bay’s name constantly get floated around in regards to a bad contract swap? He’s terrible in the field (has been since Pittsburgh), terrible at the plate (he was largely a product of Fenway),and literally has no place on the diamond for the Yankees. There is a reason no GM in his right mind wanted to sign Bay.
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He is none other than our resident psycho lunatic C R 9. You have been quite tepper, i mean tepid lately. Erica and SJ are working with the FBI to take you down. We shall see how tough you are then
LGY,
That’s understandable but I wouldn’t mess with him the way he’s swinging the bat right now…..I like him hitting behind Gardner anyway because he knows how to handle the bat, he can actually get a bunt down, and he is working the ball the other way again. One of the biggest differences to me is how he’s taking pitches again……he’s seeing the ball into the mitt again. As I said before……getting the real Jeter back is a big upgrade to this team if he can keep it up…..
Derek Jeter has a .326 batting average since coming off the disabled list on July 4.
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Because he is batting .500+ off LHP. I would bat Jeter 7th or 8th vs RHP. Martin is the worst hitter on the team atm.
Blake,
I’m calculating the difference between AJ + Swisher vs. Bay. I think you’re forgetting to subtract AJ’s salary and you’re focusing only on the cost differential between Bay and Swisher.
Put it this way, if you traded AJ for Zambrano (hypothetically speaking), you’d still have Swisher but your payroll would be 10 million higher because you’d have to keep Swisher (no Bay).
Erin
What surprised me was hearing the report of the fans booing him. I wonder if that reporting was exaggerated or not.
Bay has a .921 OPS vs. lefties even in a down year. Look at his career stats. He’s due for a correction, moreso than AJ.
……getting the real Jeter back is a big upgrade to this team if he can keep it up…..
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If the Yankees go through Texas and Boston in the ALDS/ALCS there will be a couple lefties for Jeter to wallop in the playoffs. Could see him put up some beastly series.
Bret,
Im not willing to make the team worse just to trade AJ. Bays contract is even worse….
Ray,
Absolutely
yanksfanatic August 17th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Luis, I mean Michael, I mean CR 9 or whatever (so many monikers) is living on the tepper edge. (Is it tepid or is tepper more appropriate?) Yeah the Free the Board of LSIs is underway! LOL!
Warning Track Power August 17th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Erin
What surprised me was hearing the report of the fans booing him. I wonder if that reporting was exaggerated or not.
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I was surprised at that too. Who cares? LOL I wonder if it was exaggerated.
LSIS should have been LUIS.
Blake,
If you received a valuable asset for Swisher and used his 10 million towards Reyes or Fielder then the team would be worse?
One could argue that the team is worse off with Burnett clogging a roster spot for the next 2 years.
You think one more year of Swisher is that important?
Bret,
You’d save about 7 million for 2012 but have a worse RFer and less pitching depth……then in 2013 you’re paying Jason Bay 18 million to stink. I just wouldn’t do it…..Id rather have AJ than Bay.
Blake,
OK, then put it this way. Keep Swish. Keep him.
Would you trade AJ for Bay if you keep Swish in RF?
Use Bay to replace Jorge Posada at DH?
Unclog a rotation spot for 2012 and 2013?
Does that make the team worse?
Is Jason Bay a drop off from 2011 Jorge Posada?
That’s exactly what happens in my scenario except then I make the team even better by replacing Swisher with a valuable asset (via trade) plus Fielder at DH (using Swisher’s 10 million towards Prince’s contract).
How is Bay due for a correction but Burnett is not? You can’t pick and choose who you want to apply this stuff too. Bay is having a good year vs LHP this year and he had an OPS of .750 last year.
Bret,
Id rather have Swisher next year and then sign Matt Kemp and not have to pay Bay. Also Bays option for 2014 is a vesting option…..meaning its guaranteed if he hits plate appearance milestones
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You have to consider, how valuable is it to the Yankees to unclog that rotation spot for 2012 and 2013? I think it should be considered pretty valuable.
At the very least, I’d keep Swish in RF and replace Jorge with Bay, especially if it means freeing up AJ’s rotation spot.
Even from a depth perspective, AJ’s not that valuable.
“Id rather have Swisher next year and then sign Matt Kemp and not have to pay Bay.”
I agree. Lets get this done.
Bret,
Id rather save the money and let Montero/Arod/Swisher/Tex etc handle the DH. As I said…..if im trading AJ I want to just dump some of his contract and save the rest. If o can’t do that then I just prefer keeping him over taking a replacement dead contract.
Blake,
The Sox didn’t wait for Adrian Gonzalez to become a free agent. They didn’t take any chances.
Do you think waiting for Kemp to reach free agency is a wise strategy?
What if Boston trades for him and extends him?
What if some other team does?
“You have to consider, how valuable is it to the Yankees to unclog that rotation spot for 2012 and 2013? I think it should be considered pretty valuable.”
But you’re unclogging one spot and then clogging another with Jason Bay……and there is risk you’d be clogging one for 2014 as well of his option vests.
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Matt Kemp has to be made available before that matters
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by DocIac
Great pitching match-up for tonight’s game: Matt Moore for Durham vs. Manny Banuelos for SWB – top pitching prospects on the hill tonight.
I have faith in AJ.
I believe in Father Christmas.
I’m convinced the tooth fairy exists.
A UFO landed in my back yard on Monday night.
I believe R Kelly when he says he can fly.
Can’t wait to see Moore vs Manny tonight……it better be televised. Montero vs Moore will be interrsing also…..he’s legit
But you’re unclogging one spot and then clogging another with Jason Bay……and there is risk you’d be clogging one for 2014 as well of his option vests.
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The spots are not equal. One spot is a position player, the other is a rotation spot. I’d rather have the rotation spot clear considering the Yankees young pitching depth.
blake,
if its televised, what channel?
blake August 17th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Can’t wait to see Moore vs Manny tonight……it better be televised. Montero vs Moore will be interrsing also…..he’s legit
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Which network is broadcasting the game
If you tell me MLB Network, then I will probably cry with joy
“The spots are not equal. One spot is a position player, the other is a rotation spot. I’d rather have the rotation spot clear considering the Yankees young pitching depth.”
Id rather have the pitching depth than pay more money for Bay.
Doc,
Its online at milb.com
Good Morning Blake!
I agree I want no part of Bay.
Brett how about A. Soriano from the Cubs as your DH. I’d trade AJ for Sorry + lots of cash.
Sorry…..I meant televised online.. I wish it were on actual TV
AJ is a money issue only & the last time I checked the Yankees had plenty of it. Personally I like AJ on the Yankees & I look forward to him pitching better. He really is very good. BTW, he isn’t keeping anyone down as the Yankees would release him if he didn’t fit their plans. I believe the Yanks spent a lot on Igawa too and he is still in purgatory & will not step on the YS grass in pinstripes again.
I like Swisher & I believe the Yanks do too. But if Kemp were truly available for the Yanks I believe somehow the Yanks would find the money to get him.
Morning Comet….how are ya
Id rather have the pitching depth than pay more money for Bay.
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And I maintain that even from a depth perspective, AJ is useless considering our wealth of young pitchers.
As far as the money goes, I’m not paying more for anything. You said it yourself, my plan trims “7 million”.
Great Blake and you? How is the little fellow?
thanks blake,
still dont understand this aj hatred, he pitched 5 2/3 innings with 3 runs and ppl killed him on this blog,
i thought it was a good start, not great, not bad,
but nova gives up 7 runs and hes ‘gettin squeezed’
basically its biased cause hes ‘home grown’
it seems like some ppl rout against aj cause he was a FA pickup,
what kinda fans rout against players on their favorite team
identity theft is a dangerous thing August 17th, 2011 at 11:33 am
LOL! I have already been thru ID Theft & the FBI is still working on that one for me! LOL! So go ahead & write your ticket. BTW, I know where you live! LOL! Isn’t life fun!
Comet,
I’d do that. But I’d want 20 million with Alfonso Soriano.
“As far as the money goes, I’m not paying more for anything. You said it yourself, my plan trims “7 million”.”
For 2012 only. You’d be paying more for 2013 and possibly a whole extra year if his option vests. If he gets 500 AB in 2012 and 2013 then his 2014 option is guaranteed. With your plan he’s the every day RFer in 2012 so he’d get 500 ABs and that sets up a situation like the Mets had with KRod for 2013 where they are stuck trying to avoid an option.
Comet,
Doing awesome!
Doc,
I think that has.something to do with it……I also think it has to do with his age and the idea that he should be a finished product and therefore doesn’t figure to get any better. Its easier to accept struggles from a 24 year old rookie that you’d expect it from than a 34 year old veteran.
LGY – good to know, thanks!
AJ straight up for Kemp! I see no reason why the Dodgers wouldn’t do that deal!
Looks like the nitwit psycho is here!
Guess your sleuthing skills have slipped a little since I’m not the one putting out any information here. Retread.
Truste
Kruse
blake August 17th, 2011 at 11:42 am
“As far as the money goes, I’m not paying more for anything. You said it yourself, my plan trims “7 million”.”
For 2012 only. You’d be paying more for 2013 and possibly a whole extra year if his option vests. If he gets 500 AB in 2012 and 2013 then his 2014 option is guaranteed. With your plan he’s the every day RFer in 2012 so he’d get 500 ABs and that sets up a situation like the Mets had with KRod for 2013 where they are stuck trying to avoid an option.
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If he hits 500 AB’s and 600 AB’s that means he’s healthy. When healthy, he’s a 125 OPS+ player in his career.
When AJ’s healthy, he’s costing us games and clogging a rotation spot for 2012 and 2013.
I work in the FBI building! LOL!
I’m assuming this has already been brought to Chad’s attention…ugh, isn’t there some kind of sad terrorist blog that could better use your services?
blake August 17th, 2011 at 11:31 am
“You have to consider, how valuable is it to the Yankees to unclog that rotation spot for 2012 and 2013? I think it should be considered pretty valuable.”
But you’re unclogging one spot and then clogging another with Jason Bay……and there is risk you’d be clogging one for 2014 as well of his option vests.
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Forget Bay and try this. Burnett’s deal calls for $16.5M for 2012-13. Deal him to the Cubs for Ryan Dempster who’s contract calls for a $14M player option in 2012. Pay all air travel for Burnett and his wife to and from Baltimore and Chicago for the duration of his contract.
It might be the only option. Can’t imagine what use Burnett can be in 2013 when Betances and Banuelos are ready for the major leagues.
The Dodgers are going nowhere fast, I really hope they consider moving Kemp this off season but with that franchise ownership situation still in flux I don’t know how likely that is. What’s going on with their ownership anyway, have they made any headway (the League or the McCourts)?
And as usual, the nitwit fool got the information wrong. Guess you’ll be terrorizing the wrong person!
LOL!
RayVT,
Sounds horrible, but that sounds like more about the dentist and staff being incompetent then anything else. I was always told when you need a root canal to go to an oral surgeon. Are you still using this dentist?
RayVT August 17th, 2011 at 11:47 am
I work in the FBI building! LOL!
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I didn’t know we have our very own Fox Mulder in our midst.
108,
If the Cubs would do that sign me up…..I like Dempster. I doubt they would though.
I think it COULD be possible to deal him to an NL team this winter if they’d eat half or more of his contract. Would some team be willing to take AJ and have him for like 2/14? I don’t know but if they evaluate things this winter and decide Noesi, Warren, Phelps, etc can give them just as much then id pursue it.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2011 at 11:50 am
He is so close Trisha! LOL! What he doesn’t know is the FBI is monitoring this board. LOL! It is so funny how people who think they are invincible always underestimate their victims. Now I am not a victim of CR 9 (MT) but if he wants to step in where my daily life is being dissected let him come on over & play. Free opportunity. LOL!
. “I was always told when you need a root canal to go to an oral surgeon”
Endodontist…..
Problem is that Cashman wouldn’t trade AJ, because “the man can pitch.” Remember, Cash hasn’t been smoking the objective pipe.
Assuming Cashman is still the GM this winter.
New Post: Triple-A rotation shuffle no indication of call-up
Triple Short of a Cycle August 17th, 2011 at 11:52 am
I was at the Oral Surgeon for 2½ hours before going back to the dentist for 1½ more to put the crown on. The tooth location & my small mouth (LOL) caused issues. I won’t claim their competence though!
And this is a Baseball Blog ? LMAO !
Wow Chad. “Nova’s been underwhelming at best in back-to-back starts.”
Biased much?
Every single time AJ Burnett or Phil Hughes has thrown an absolute nightmare out on the mound this year, the writers of this blog hem and haw, try to put lipstick on the pig and couch it in the most positive terms possible, stretching the truth almost beyond belief to make it sound like they pitched better than they actually did.
But with Nova or Garcia? If they screw up even a little bit ONCE, they write something like that tripe above.
Nova has had two underwhelming — at best — starts? Really? The start before this last one, which was bad, was not underwhelming at all. He pitched 6 innings, gave up 3 runs, 2 of which came in the 7th. He didn’t give up a run at all until the 5th, by which time the team had a 5-0 lead. It was 7-1 in the top of the 7th when he gave up two runs and came out. Not dominating, but hardly “underhwelming.”
Yes, Nova had a bad start last night. Finally. And you try to bury him for it?