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Postgame notes: “If he’s wrong, it’s very unfortunate”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Aug 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It was first-base coach Mick Kelleher who delivered the Yankees lineup and went over the ground rules before Monday’s series opener here in Kansas City.

“They were pretty explicit and clear, but there was one question that I had,” Kelleher said. “It was about the top rail in left-center field. It was padded, the ball had to leave the ballpark. We talked about that twice… There’s a fence that goes up that’s green, then above the green there’s a little cyclone fence. I said, ‘What’s that?’ They said, ‘It’s clear and open. Above that is a padded rail, so it has to clear the padded rail.’”

During tonight’s game, the Yankees were told the opposite is true, and that ruling by crew chief Dana DeMuth loomed large in a one-run loss.

When Billy Butler drove a ball to left-center in the third inning, the ball clearly went over the main fence, but it didn’t clear a smaller, chain-link fence. The ball bounced back onto the field, but was still ruled a home run. Girardi asked for a review, DeMuth watched the replay and said the ruling stood. Girardi went back for clarification of the rule — he’s not allowed to argue the call at that point — and was told the rule is that the ball has to clear only the first fence. Both DeMuth and home plate umpire Chad Fairchild said the same thing.

“If he’s right, he’s right, and we lost the game,” Girardi said. “If he’s wrong, it’s very unfortunate.”

DeMuth refused to speak to a pool reporter sent to get clarification after the game, but not too long ago — about an hour after the game — what appeared to be the entire umpire crew walked to left-center field to look at the fence.

“That’s not what they told me,” Kelleher said. “That’s not what we covered at home plate. The ball had to leave the ballpark. If it hits that top green thing, that’s not leaving the ballpark. That’s what they explained. There’s a little chain-link cyclone fence that’s maybe a foot or 18 inches, then on top of that is the padded bar. It’s supposed to go over the padded bar. If that wasn’t the case, there would be a yellow line indicating balls over the yellow line, home run. Bam. There you go.”

The yellow line argument might be the best of the night. If there’s an uncertain boundary, it would surely be marked by a yellow line. There’s no yellow line, so it stands to reason that the usual rule — the ball has to leave the field — would be in effect.

Here’s Girardi. He’s not happy.

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• Alex Rodriguez went 1-for-2 with two walks, a strikeout and an RBI single tonight. He said afterward that he won’t be playing tomorrow, and he’s not sure about Friday. Girardi said that his pregame comments are still accurate: Rodriguez will be evaluated tomorrow before the Yankees decide whether to activate him immediately.

• Rodriguez let a ball get through his legs in the first inning, and another ball got past him without being ruled an error. “I really thought I played great defense when the ball wasn’t hit at me,” Rodriguez said.

• A general comment from Rodriguez about how he’s moving: “These were the hardest balls hit at me in five weeks. It’s just a bit of rust. But I really liked my gait tonight, first to third. And I felt like I was running with more aggression, more confidence.”

• A quick word of thanks to Donnie Collins for sending me some of Rodriguez’s postgame comments.

• Back to tonight’s game in Kansas City: Girardi said he was second guessing himself for not protesting the game, but it was too late to file a protest postgame, and in the heat of the moment, he chose to trust that the umpires knew what they were talking about. “They’re in these parks a lot more than we are and I figured he knew the rules,” Girardi said.

• One other factor in play: Girardi was worried that Mariano Rivera, who was clearly heated in the Yankees dugout, might get tossed if the argument continued any longer. “I was trying to keep some of my players in the game, too,” Girardi said.

• Girardi said he’ll get a rule clarification tomorrow. “You call the Major League office and they’ll know,” Girardi said.

• The home run call looms large, but ultimately the Yankees had their chances to score plenty of runs. They left the bases loaded in the first and last innings, and the heart of the order — Teixeira, Cano and Swisher — struck out to strand two runners in the seventh. “We just weren’t able to get that one big hit tonight to take the lead,” Girardi said. “We had plenty of opportunities.”

• The two home runs in the third inning really cost Bartolo Colon. “I feel good physically,” Colon said. “But I gave up two home runs, and we didn’t win the game.”

• Curtis Granderson hit his team-leading 34th homer of the season, and he’s homered six times in eight games. He’s closing in on Jose Bautista for the Major League lead.

• Jorge Posada turned 40 today. The last Yankees player that was not a pitcher to appear in a game at 40 or older was Lou Piniella in 1984.

• Let’s give the last word on the disputed home run to Gardner, who had a good view of exactly where the ball landed. “I saw it hit the top of the lower pad, go up in the air, and then come back down on the warning track,” Gardner said. “There’s about 8-10 inches of chain-link fence on top of that, then another little pad on top of that. I looked at the replay and sure enough, it did hit that chain-link fence. If that’s not part of the fence, it’s a home run, but then I don’t understand why that little piece of fence is there. It could probably lead to a lot of controversy over the years.”

• Also, check out Marc Carig’s photos of the fence in question. Here’s one. Here’s another.

Associated Press photos

 
 

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104 Responses to “Postgame notes: “If he’s wrong, it’s very unfortunate””

  1. pft2 August 18th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    It’s just mind boggling that the umps can’t get it right even on replay, or that they don’t know the ground rules (or can’t check to confirm them) .

    There was a HR in Fenway earler this year that was also reviewed by the umpires. What should have been on HR was ruled not a HR. This went in favor of the Red Sox, but even their own announcers said it should have been a HR.

    Girardi should have filed a protest though, there is no penalty for doing so even if the umps are right. Since the Yankees have lost the season series to the Red Sox they have to win the division by 1 game, and that might be the game they need.

  2. LGY August 18th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Ledger_Yankees
    This is where umps could have provided clarification after the game. Instead, they punked out. Weak. #nyy

  3. m August 18th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    That ugly obtrusive yellow line would save everyone a lot of grief.

    I agree, pft2. File the grievance. What do you have to lose?

  4. waka flocka August 18th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    maybe Girardi should have protested it but Selig has never ruled in favor of a team filing a protest. why would you think that would change now?

  5. stuart a August 18th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    dana demuth another dope official. no different then barnett calling a seattle runner safe for sweattle about 3 yrears ago even though he was literally out by minimum 3 feet.

    these guys are clowns. they think people come to see them. horrible call, had a huge impact on the game. that is the bottom line, agai nthe ump on jorge in the 9th got the 2 strikes wrong big time. riveravenublues has the pitch zone not even close to being strikes.

    just like a 3 and 0 pitch umps think if the catcher catches the pitch it is a strike, why does the strike zone change intra game……….

  6. Chase August 18th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    I WANT ROBOT UMPIRES!

    PLEASE.

  7. m August 18th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    It’s the principle of the thing! Another pimple on the tenure of Bud Selig. :mad:

  8. Nick in SF August 18th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Morning LoHudders, I’m re-posting this link for your benefit.

    It’s a short video loop that shows Mo going ballistic at the home run call and Jamie Moyer saying “He was ecstatic…”

    Enjoy.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....hotostream

  9. West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    There is nothing in the binder on protesting games.

  10. Nick in SF August 18th, 2011 at 1:28 am

    I just saw it again on SC. Maybe the umps called it a homer because it went over the yellow line in the Sprint advertisement. :oops:

  11. m August 18th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Unfortunately, the Red Sox are ecstatic at the blown call and subsequent result. Grr.

  12. Nick in SF August 18th, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Hopefully the Royals will be emphatic vs. the Socks this weekend.

  13. DFox August 18th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    If I was the commissioner of baseball, I would fire all four of the umpires. I’m not just saying that out of rage. Anyone who shows up for work unprepared should be at risk for being fired. If an airline pilot showed up for work without knowing how to deploy the landing gear, what would happen to them? If one of the umpires stepped up and said they were the one who didn’t know the rule, I’d only fire them. But since no one did that, they’d all have to go.

    I wouldn’t see it as fair to fire an umpire for a bad call. Even the Galaraga call. That’s a split second decision and it’s prone to error. On a home run call, where you’re staring at perfect replays, it simply comes down to not putting in the effort to actually know the rule. That’s inexcusable. That’s a mockery of the sport and these umpires need to be fired.

  14. RSM August 18th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    This is the worst call I’ve ever seen – makes NO sense.
    First of all, there is no line demarcating a home run, so the ball has to clear the wall and leave the field of play to be a home run. it did not.
    Secondly, even if you consider the top of the padding the top of wall as the umpires are supposing, it’s STILL NOT A HOME RUN. The ball bounced off the top of the padding and landed back on the field – that’s a ball in play. If a ball hits the top of the wall and bounces back onto the field, it’s not a home run. It has to hit the top of the wall and bounce into the stands to be a HR.

    This is egregious. It’s a blown call, even with replay – no question. That’s inexcusable. Do the umpires have ANY accountability?? Has an umpire ever been fired for doing a bad job??

    The Yankees are neck and neck with Boston fighting for the division and it may come down to one game.

  15. waka flocka August 18th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Another thing that bothers me about this is that the umpires are almost never disciplined for this stuff. People make mistakes but MLB’s repeated ignorance towards disciplining umpires is how you get guys like Bob Davidson and Joe West

  16. DFox August 18th, 2011 at 1:50 am

    I mean this doesn’t even qualify as a “bad call.” This qualifies as a simple lack of effort and a complete disregard for the game of baseball. It’s like they went in and said “OK, the ball hit right over there. According to the ground rules, is that a HR? You know what, screw it. No need to check. Let’s just say it’s gone.”

    If they don’t get fired or at least disciplined for a stunt like this, then these guys are really untouchable. These jokes should be calling little league games, although I’d feel bad for those kids.

  17. kd August 18th, 2011 at 1:50 am

    first a blown call to ruin a perfect game. then the awful call at home plate in extra innings. now a easy home run call.

    it’s kind of a shame, but these umps are really getting a bad reputation.

    all this talk of extending games is silly, it’s more important to be right that saving 90 seconds. instant replay is a must going forward. but when they use it, like tonight, and still get it wrong….

    hope their resumes are polished

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Not counting balls and strikes, umpires make thousands of calls a year and get almost all of them right, including blink-of-an-eye reaction calls at first and home. They got one wrong, they’re human.

    It’s unfortunate that the umpires didn’t appear to understand the ground rules in Kansas City. But, that one play should not have cost us the game. We lost the game because we were 1-10 with RISP.

  19. BJK August 18th, 2011 at 3:00 am

    But seriously, how does he not protest this game?

    That’s almost like leaving your team on the field while your young rattled pitcher is being attacked by a swarm of midges.

  20. m August 18th, 2011 at 3:04 am

    If he filed a protest, it surely would have forced the issue. At the very least mlb would make a statement. Maybe. :?

    How is misinterpreting (disregarding ground rules) much different from a lineup snafu?

  21. m August 18th, 2011 at 3:05 am

    *How is misinterpreting (disregarding?) the ground rules much better than a lineup snafu?

  22. joerandolph119 August 18th, 2011 at 3:13 am

    @west coast yankee fan… your reasoning is absolutely absurd. You can apply the “they’re human” argument to almost any mistake humanly possible and it would convince some people, but it carries no real weight. The fact is, in life, there are some mistakes that are deemed acceptable, and some that cannot be made. That’s accountability. You can’t kill someone and say, I’m only human, my bad, on all days before this one, I never made that mistake even once! Blink-of-an-eye reaction calls have absolutely nothing to do with this; those are judgement calls. This is about the umpires of a major league game not knowing the ground rules… or more precisely, this is about ML umpires correctly explaining the ground rules one day, not knowing them the next day to correctly call a slow motion replay in high definition, and then when directly challenged on the ground rules, explicitly and matter of factly explaining the ground rules again in the middle of the game incorrectly, with a second umpire confirming. The fact that the yankees lost the game IS, as you say, unfortunate, and could have been avoided if they yankees played better, but that fact has no real bearing on any of this.

  23. joerandolph119 August 18th, 2011 at 3:15 am

    haha BJK, nice call

  24. West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 4:03 am

    joerandolph119 August 18th, 2011 at 3:13 am

    @west coast yankee fan… your reasoning is absolutely absurd. You can apply the “they’re human” argument to almost any mistake humanly possible and it would convince some people, but it carries no real weight. The fact is, in life, there are some mistakes that are deemed acceptable, and some that cannot be made. That’s accountability. You can’t kill someone and say, I’m only human, my bad, on all days before this one, I never made that mistake even once! Blink-of-an-eye reaction calls have absolutely nothing to do with this; those are judgement calls. This is about the umpires of a major league game not knowing the ground rules… or more precisely, this is about ML umpires correctly explaining the ground rules one day, not knowing them the next day to correctly call a slow motion replay in high definition, and then when directly challenged on the ground rules, explicitly and matter of factly explaining the ground rules again in the middle of the game incorrectly, with a second umpire confirming. The fact that the yankees lost the game IS, as you say, unfortunate, and could have been avoided if they yankees played better, but that fact has no real bearing on any of this.

    ***************

    It’s a baseball game get over it. Everyone makes mistakes; overall the umpires do a great job.

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 4:39 am

    And comparing an umpiring mistake to killing someone? Really Joe?

  26. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 6:03 am

    mind on task today

  27. carlsonjok August 18th, 2011 at 6:51 am

    I was watching the game on Fox Sports Kansas City and even the KC announcers, Ryan Lefebvre and Frank White, said it was not a home run.

  28. pat August 18th, 2011 at 6:57 am

    The FREE JESUS movement has 2 new members…..

    “The way he has caught the last two nights, he’s obviously good enough to catch in the majors,” Rodriguez said. “He played with a lot of intensity. He’s got all the tools.”

    “I hate to say this, but I think Monty’s getting a little bored in the minor leagues, he’s ready for that next challenge,” Wynegar said. “I told Brian Cashman I think he needs that next challenge, and I hope he gets it next month.”

    Monty! it appears adding a “Y” to the name is a Yankee thing starting in the minor leagues and not just a Girardi thing.

  29. pat August 18th, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Oops- forgot the link. That’s what I get for posting pre-caffeine.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....to-montero

  30. brownies August 18th, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Bad call by ump. But yanks left tooo many runners on. Also, Mia is mark texiera. He cannot be happy with his 247 , 1 hit or 0-4 performances. There have been too many quiet at bats for Tex away from the short porch

  31. Villa Nova-Ya August 18th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    pat -

    Thanks for that link. Glad ARod went to SWB and not Trenton to rehab. Nice to have an eyewitness; fantastic that he’s taken “Monty” (I actually like that y-ism) under his wing; good to know Wynegar has been pushing for the promotion. Really really excited to learn that ARod would like Montero to work out with him this winter in Miami. :)

  32. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Well, that game was certainly interesting. LOL I’m just disappointed I didn’t get to see angry Mo. Stupid KC feed. :x

    Pat, thanks for the link. Love the newly formed Alex/Monty bromance. ;)

  33. blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    I’ve said this before……but I’ve watched Montero play and catch a good deal and he just doesn’t look that bad to me.

    The Hr call is extremely frustrating……and they clearly screwed it up…..but if they had ruled it a double they would have had a man at 2nd with no outs so there is a fair chance he would have scored anyway……..bottom line is that Colon didn’t pitch very well and the offense didn’t score enough runs off of very mediocre Royals pitching…..that’s the way it goes sometimes.

    That Granderson comment last night is just absurd. Granderson has a higher OPS than Gonzalez and way higher than both Ellsbury and Pedroia. Grandy has a .960 OPS and is going to hit 45 homers,.steal 30 bags, and score close to 150 runs…….he’s the MVP guys right now if the media will open their eyes……..and here is a dirty little secret……Cano is having a better year than Pedroia and probably will widen the gap over the next month.

  34. RadioKev August 18th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Oh what whiners, complaining that Girardi didn’t protest the game. Hindsight vision is always 20/20. He’s reasoning was acceptable, he wasn’t sure what the rules are and he deferred to the guys he trusts to know the rules.

    Much easier to complain about it now than actually do it. You don’t have a working relationship with the folks on the field.

  35. blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    The way Bartolo has pitched the last 3 or 4 outings make it a MUST to keep Hughes on turn…….not sure if Colon is just in a little funk….or.if he’s wearing down…..it.if teams are just adjusting to him……or a combo of things but he’s not been the sams guy coming back from the DL. The velocity is still ok…..but he can’t spot that 2 seamer like he was before and really doesn’t have much of a backup plan if he can’t. Maybe is just a rough patch…..but he’s already thrown more innings than he has in years so it s a bit of a reg flag

  36. RayVT August 18th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    So true!

  37. MaineYankee August 18th, 2011 at 7:38 am

    pat

    Francona does the same thing with his players names.

    I think it’s a baseball thing.

  38. TheStraw August 18th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    The hammer of God has spoken:
    Mariano Rivera

    “I mean, that cost us the game. Tie game, you know? I understand we’re human, but come on. You have replays, and get the call wrong? That’s unacceptable.”

    “We make mistakes. We all make mistakes. In a situation like that, where you have replay, you’ve got to find a way to get it right. I don’t know why they didn’t want to talk to the press. That’s not my call.”

    “Those are my teammates playing out there. We’re fighting to win the game. One run can be the difference – and I think it was. If it’s a run, it’s a run. But if it’s not, it’s not.”

  39. blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Watched Manny vs Moore last night. Most people consider Moore the best pitching prospect in baseball (either him or Teheran)…..and stuff wise Banuelos looks just as good. Moore has a little more polish on his breaking ball but both have really good arm action and both have plus CUs. The biggest difference is just approach and probably experience……Moore is 2 years older…….very exciting ……well Manny is…..Moore pitching for the Rays not so much.

  40. RMS August 18th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    The problem with the umpires is there is no penalties for bad umpiring. They cannot be “sent down” if they are not doing a good job.

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    Bad game for the Yanks. Jeter getting picked off. Posada’s at bat in the 9th. You cannot take close pitches like he did. It looked like he was looking for a pitch right down the middle. Inexcusable taking 3 called strikes.

  41. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Go Mo! :)

  42. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    That Granderson comment last night is just absurd. Granderson has a higher OPS than Gonzalez and way higher than both Ellsbury and Pedroia. Grandy has a .960 OPS and is going to hit 45 homers,.steal 30 bags, and score close to 150 runs…….he’s the MVP guys right now if the media will open their eyes
    ===================================

    Pretty obvious that Gonzalez has been playing hurt for awhile. I think he’s going to fall out of the MVP thing. To me the most valuable player in the AL right now is Verlander by a mile, but among everyday players, Granderson should be viewed as the #1 candidate right now.

  43. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Watched Manny vs Moore last night. Most people consider Moore the best pitching prospect in baseball (either him or Teheran)…..and stuff wise Banuelos looks just as good. Moore has a little more polish on his breaking ball but both have really good arm action and both have plus CUs. The biggest difference is just approach and probably experience……Moore is 2 years older…….very exciting ……well Manny is…..Moore pitching for the Rays not so much.

    =================================

    For an expected pitchers duel, neither guy lasted long. Between them they threw 175 pitches and neither made it to the 5th.

  44. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Yankees W’s 10-5 last 15…of the 10 wins the staff has allowed fewer than 5 runs in the 5 L’s 4 times they have allowed 5 or more runs…..keep a team under 5 runs they will win a lot of games

  45. blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Mell,

    Well I can’t argue with that….but pitchers don’t really factor into the MVP much. That’s a different debate

  46. CTYankeeInNCExile August 18th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    If he had protested, it would have been denied for some stupid reason. The only protest I ever remember upheld was the Pine Tar Game, which I’m convinced was some kind of vendetta against George (not that he didn’t deserve it, he was a complete nutcase in the 1980s).

    What kills me is the “no comment” stance from the umpires, like Mo said. He never hides when he messes up.

  47. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:45 am
    Watched Manny vs Moore last night. Most people consider Moore the best pitching prospect in baseball (either him or Teheran)…..and stuff wise Banuelos looks just as good. Moore has a little more polish on his breaking ball but both have really good arm action and both have plus CUs. The biggest difference is just approach and probably experience……Moore is 2 years older…….very exciting ……well Manny is…..Moore pitching for the Rays not so much.

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    why blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:45 am
    Watched Manny vs Moore last night. Most people consider Moore the best pitching prospect in baseball (either him or Teheran)…..and stuff wise Banuelos looks just as good. Moore has a little more polish on his breaking ball but both have really good arm action and both have plus CUs. The biggest difference is just approach and probably experience……Moore is 2 years older…….very exciting ……well Manny is…..Moore pitching for the Rays not so much.

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    why Teheran isn’t up with the big club I have no clue

  48. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    The only protest I ever remember upheld was the Pine Tar Game, which I’m convinced was some kind of vendetta against George
    ===========================

    I thought it was more a vendetta against stupidity.

  49. blake August 18th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Mell,

    Manny pitched pretty well after the first inning. Alex probably cost him 25 pitches and an inning or two……..neither guy was great but you can see the potential in both

  50. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    CTYankeeInNCExile August 18th, 2011 at 7:51 am
    If he had protested, it would have been denied for some stupid reason.

    ****************

    exactly. I wasn’t surprised at all that he didn’t bother to protest

  51. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    why Teheran isn’t up with the big club I have no clue

    ==============================

    Maybe trying to manage his innings a little? Maybe his service time clock as well? They brought up Delgado to replace Hanson while he’s on the DL. Kid took a no hitter into the 7th. Braves have some serious arms coming up.

  52. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Good morning all.

    Pat-

    Thanks for the NY Daily News link. Noesi will be the player sent down when A-Rod is activated, which sounds like Saturday. Noesi doesn’t deserve it, but was great last night in those 3 scoreless innings. Since he pitched and is unavailable for a few nights, add Montero to the 40 man, bring him up today and let him DH until A-Rod is activated. Duensing tonight has a .314 BAA right handed hitters.

    Maybe Montero will create enough excitement in the first 2 games of the series to warrant the Yankees sending Cervelli down.

    Free the Monster Montero.

  53. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Mell August 18th, 2011 at 7:57 am
    why Teheran isn’t up with the big club I have no clue

    ==============================

    Maybe trying to manage his innings a little? Maybe his service time clock as well? They brought up Delgado to replace Hanson while he’s on the DL. Kid took a no hitter into the 7th. Braves have some serious arms coming up.

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    saw that…he’s up to 120+ innings this year

  54. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Mell-

    Vizcaino was recently added and won his first game in relief the other night in the Braves walk off 11th inning win against the Giants.

    Erin-

    You can view the replay of the homer debacle and Rivera’s reaction in the dugout by going to the mlb.com homepage. Scroll down on the left to the KC/NY box score and click on the video camera image and you’ll get the 2 minute video.

  55. 86w183 August 18th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Girardi’s lame excuse for not protesting is an embarrassment to the Yanks. HE is responsible for knowing the ground rules in each park just like the umps are.

    By the way, if MLB mandated that the ground rules are WRITTEN and POSTED in each dugout and the umpires room crap like this would never happen.

    Yes, the crew chief should be suspended, but he wont be because MLB has no control of the umpires whatsoever.

  56. 108 stitches August 18th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Colon wasn’t bad but good enough. No telling what would have happened if he didn’t get screwed with the bad call. Noesi pitched well. I see him as next years Ivan Nova.
    K.C. will get the top of that wall painted yellow …….. after the fact.
    The team should do well vs. Minnesota and back home vs. Oakland while the Sux have their hands full in K.C. and in Texas.

  57. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Thanks Yankee Trader! I might have to wait ’til I get home to watch it-my work computer usually blocks those mlb videos.

  58. disco stu August 18th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Switching gears for a second … how about our Captain now up to .290 after going 4-5 last night?

    Where are those daily Joel Sherman columns nowadays proclaiming that Derek Jeter is a shell of what he once was and suggesting the Yankees bat him 9th?

    If he keeps it up thru the Twins series, he could be nearing .300 by the time the Yankees head home next week.

  59. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    “The team should do well vs. Minnesota and back home vs. Oakland while the Sux have their hands full in K.C. and in Texas.”

    Yes sir.

    Time to make some hay.

    ;)

  60. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Erin

    I don’t think the image will be there later. I’m going to try and attach it now for you and anyone else to view:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....mode=video

  61. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:11 am
    Erin

    I don?t think the image will be there later. I?m going to try and attach it now for you and anyone else to view:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday…..mode=video

    **********************

    YT-thanks so much! :)

  62. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    My biggest concern as of right now.

    Who will be our #2 starter going forward ?

    Colon. Nova. Hughes.

    IF Colon is wearing down one of Nova or Hughes is going to have to step up.

    Might be a very good idea to skip a turn for Bartolo.

    Where is Dr. Purita when you need him ?

    :)

  63. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Sherman loves to write obituaries on players ……its one of his more annoying traits. You have to give aging players a chance to adjust to their changing skill sets as they age…..sometimes they can and sometimes they can’t. HOF level players like Derek though have to.be given the benefit of the doubt……he’s probably never going to have the pop that he did in his prime but I’ve always thought he would find a way to be good again…….

  64. Wang IS Taiwan August 18th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Wow — I don’t think I’ve ever seen Mo fired up like that. Good for him!

    Hey — I just saw the video Nick posted. Why is Jamie Moyer saying “He is estactic.”? Is Moyer saying Mo is ecstatic and just getting the English language mixed up? Because that is not what Mo was feeling right there, obviously.

  65. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    MTU,

    We’ll see. I would skip Colon a turn as well in an attempt to recharge his batteries. We have to hope that Hughes continues progress and that they give him the opportunity to.do so.

  66. MaineYankee August 18th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I find it sad that the Yankees were 1-10 with RISP but the haters want to pin it on Posada.

    Every game some here just have to have someone to complain about.

    I find that an odd way to follow a game.

  67. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Erin-

    Attached it.

    MTU and Blake-

    Good morning. Mentioned this earlier for a way to bring up Montero today after reading Pat’s 6:59 attachment in the NY Daily News-the ringing endorsement he got from A-Rod and Butch Wynegar.

    Noesi can’t pitch for a few days. Although he doesn’t deserve it he’s likely going back to AAA when A-Rod is activated on Saturday[probable day]. So send Noesi down today AND—-

    Add Montero to the 40 man now and put him in the lineup tonight against lefty Duensing who has a .314 BAA to righties and of his 16 homers allowed, 15 to righties.

    Maybe he’ll excite and the Yankees won’t send him back down when A-Rod is activated over the weekend, and send cervelli down instead!! :)

  68. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Trader,

    They should do it…..but he should have been up weeks ago.

    Could this 6 man stuff be affecting the rotation now? Aside from Hughes pretty much none of the starters were sharp this last turn through…….

  69. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Blake-

    I didn’t actually get to see Bartolo throw last night.

    From what I heard here his velo was not down but his location was off.

    He needs that 2 seamer to be really effective.

    Maybe it’s just a rough patch ?

    Hughes might just turn out to be the answer. I agree that they need to keep sending him out there to see how he progresses.

    If he can find that 1st half form again it would be wonderful, and timely.

    What has happened to Manuelito’s C and C this season ?

  70. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    IF Colon is wearing down one of Nova or Hughes is going to have to step up.

    Might be a very good idea to skip a turn for Bartolo.

    Where is Dr. Purita when you need him ?
    ——————————————
    The innovative Doctor is in South Florida.

    There is no #2 right now. No one lately has been able to pitch into the 7th inning in a quality start to get the nod. I think Colon, after they get thru the DH on the 27th will be going back to the bullpen as the long man to preserve what stem cells are left in his right shoulder!!

  71. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    YT-

    It’s seems apparent that for whatever reason the Yankee brass does not see fit to give Montero anything more than a cup-o-java.

  72. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “What has happened to Manuelito’s C and C this season ?”

    Just my feeling…..but I think he’s still adjusting to his new velocity and also I think he’s just giving the hitters too much credit and nibbling a bit too much. If you watch him pitch he very rarely misses the plate badly……he just misses the corner a lot. Seems he’s trying to make perfect pitches instead of just challenging the hitters and trusting his stuff to me. He’s still learning to pitch……

  73. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    MTU,

    Barts velocity is still good……his location just hasn’t been nearly as sharp as it was early in the year……he’s not consistently getting the 2 seamer where it needs to be anymore.

  74. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Could this 6 man stuff be affecting the rotation now? Aside from Hughes pretty much none of the starters were sharp this last turn through…….
    —————————————————-
    Blake-
    Could be. CC wants to pitch on 4 days rest, every 5th day. With him tonight and Hughes tomorrow they are going on 5 days rest. Hughes didn’t have a high pitch count his last time out. They could have pitched CC last night, Hughes tonight and skipped Colon.

  75. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:30 am
    YT-

    It’s seems apparent that for whatever reason the Yankee brass does not see fit to give Montero anything more than a cup-o-java.

    ————————————
    when he didn’t beat out Molina in ST had to know he was sitting in the minors this season unless traded or a rash of injuries to the catchers….I still think they want to deal him

  76. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Trader,

    I think they should try and keep CC, Hughes, and Nova on regular rest and adjust the other 3 if they are going to stick with the 6 man.

  77. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Blake-

    That could be it. He’s so young. There’s no rush. I was just wondering since that used be considered his trademark.

    On the positive side. He has developed a wicked curve to go along with other plus stuff.

    Lookouts below when he finall puts it all together.

    Someone said Guidry should work with him. I think that’s an excellent idea.

    :)

  78. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Waiting around for a trade to develop with Montero instead of actually using him is a crazy idea……I certainly hope that’s not the case.

  79. pkyankfan69 August 18th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    That call on the Butler “HR” did suck but the Yanks deserved to lose that one last night.
    Bruce Chen is terrible. He should have been knocked out of the game in the 3rd with 9ER.
    It’s unfortunate that they lost by the 1 run that fake HR cost them but it never should have come down to that. Hell, even Jeter who had a great game at the plate cost them a run in the 1st with that pick off.

    2 out of 3 ain’t bad (not too great against KC either) but it would be nice to see them show some killer instinct and complete the sweep. Have to take advantage of this portion of the schedule if they do want to win the division. Personally I’m not sure they have any interest in the division. Verlander in a short series is scary and it would be sweet to get some payback against the Rangers.

    On a final note, Andruw Jones SUCKS. I know he is buddies with Cano but the thought of Jones getting all the swings against lefty garbage like Chen while Montero rots in AAA is sickening. Not saying Montero would do much better initially but at least you would be giving the guy a chance to flourish.

  80. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Joeman-

    I sure hope thay won’t deal Montero. There are very few young hitters that I’d include Montero in a trade for. Two of them off the top of my head are Justin Upton and Mike Stanton to replace Swisher in RF.

    Gotta go for now.

    Until later-everyone enjoy your day.

  81. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Blake-

    The only 2 who will need the extra rest are Garcia and Colon.

    Especially Bartolo.

    CC should definitely be kept on regular rest, and probably AJ too.

  82. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Never fear….September 1st is only 2 weeks away! (although I have serious doubts if some of you can make it ’til then) ;)

  83. Yankee Trader August 18th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Trader,

    I think they should try and keep CC, Hughes, and Nova on regular rest and adjust the other 3 if they are going to stick with the 6 man.

    ———————————
    Blake-
    Perfect solution! Until later!

  84. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    He just needs strike 1 strike 2 more often……when he gets himself into more 1-2 counts than 2-1 counts then he’s going to take off. Right now he is either falling behind early in counts or he’s getting ahead and then letting the hitter back in by trying to make a perfect pitch. He’ll be 0-2 or 1-2 and then nibble around until the count is full…….he needs to go after the hitters more IMO. Dellin starts tonight……can’t wait to see him as I haven’t watched him nearly as much.

  85. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:36 am
    Waiting around for a trade to develop with Montero instead of actually using him is a crazy idea……I certainly hope that’s not the case.

    ————————————
    could be that trade value thing again…might be better sitting in the minors that getting to the Bigs and not preforming well

  86. 86w183 August 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Can we give the Montero thing a rest. He’s a great prospect, but he’s a kid and he’s better off playing every day and catching 4X a week than he is serving as a part time DH in NYC.

    Besides, with Alex’ return Jones at bats are going to drop as Alex serves as DH more often and Nunez plays @ 3B.

  87. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Blake-

    One of these days I’m going to have to break down and spring for the MiLB package so I can actually see these guys on a regular basis.

    I envy JAP and YF as they have been able to see them in person.

    Going to the tall, cool Mountains for the day. Unfortunately, might not make it back for gametime.

    Mrs. MTU’s B’day. She wants to go. So we’re off soon.

    :)

  88. Howard August 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Red Sox calling up Lavarnaway.

  89. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    MTU-have fun! Did you bake Mrs. MTU a birthday cake?

  90. joeman August 18th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    86w183 August 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
    Can we give the Montero thing a rest. He’s a great prospect, but he’s a kid and he’s better off playing every day and catching 4X a week than he is serving as a part time DH in NYC.

    Besides, with Alex’ return Jones at bats are going to drop as Alex serves as DH more often and Nunez plays @ 3B.

    ——————————————–
    OK..sorry

  91. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Red Sox calling up Lavarnaway.

    =========================

    Probably means either Ortiz or Youkilis are being DL’d.

  92. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Mell August 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am
    Red Sox calling up Lavarnaway.

    =========================

    Probably means either Ortiz or Youkilis are being DL?d.

    ******************

    What’s wrong with Ugly?

  93. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Erin-

    Are you kidding ?

    I want her to live to see her next one.

    ;)

  94. RayVT August 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Howard August 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    The RSox need someone who can catch & throw a runner out. When Zorbist stole 3rd & home it really showed how pathetic the C situation really was in Beantown.

  95. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    MTU- LOL :)

  96. blake August 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    MTU,

    Happy Birthday to your wife. I think the Milb thing is only like 7 or 8 bucks a month ……so just drink a few less beers and you’ll break even ;) have a great day.

  97. Mell August 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    What’s wrong with Ugly?

    ===================

    Back issues. Their 3-4-5 is a hurtin’ bunch right now.

  98. MTU August 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Blake/Erin-

    Thanks. She deserves to be treated special for putting up with me for all these years.

  99. Erin August 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    New Post: Is Colon’s workload becoming a problem?

    :arrow:

  100. Shame Spencer August 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Can’t we chuck Jones and keep Noesi around? The guy hasn’t had much value all season despite his splits.

  101. Howard August 18th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    The RSox need someone who can catch & throw a runner out. When Zorbist stole 3rd & home it really showed how pathetic the C situation really was in Beantown.

    Wrong. They’ve survived the past ten years without that, but they need a guy to hit. Lavarnaways stats are off the chart this year, so I’d assume they’re calling him up to DH, since most reports on him look just like those of Montero’s: probably not going to be a full time catcher, but can rake the ball.

  102. austinmac August 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    MTU,

    Happy BDay to Mrs. MTU. Enjoy the mountains. It is going to be 107 here today.

    Thanks for your photos. I will send you mine soon.

  103. joerandolph119 August 18th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 4:39 am
    And comparing an umpiring mistake to killing someone? Really Joe?
    ———————————————————
    I should have known an exaggerated analogy like that would go way over your head and would allow to you just ignore what I actually said. I very clearly wasn’t comparing the severity of the offense of the umpire to murder, I was highlighting the fact that you can avoid responsibility for anything by using the “he’s only human” argument.

  104. Zyzz August 18th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    • Jorge Posada turned 40 today. The last Yankees player that was not a pitcher to appear in a game at 40 or older was Lou Piniella in 1984.

    Cheo Cruz says hello.


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