Torre calls home run a “missed call”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 18, 2011 
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First a very quick reminder that I’m hosting a chat here on the blog tomorrow at noon. I’m sure we’ll be talking a lot about six-man rotations and injured third basemen and Triple-A catchers looking for a September call-up.
I’m sure we’ll also talk about this.
Today, Joe Torre acknowledged that the umpire crew blew the call last night in Kansas City. Billy Butler’s third-inning home run should have been a double, but there’s little the Yankees can do about it now because Joe Girardi did not immediately file a protest. The problem was that crew chief Dana DeMuth believed a small secondary fence was out of play. In fact, a ball has to clear that fence to be considered a home run.
“His interpretation was that the back fence was behind the wall and out of the ballpark,” Torre told The Daily News. “It certainly wasn’t for a lack of doing his job, just a misunderstanding of the rule.”
“His interpretation was that the back fence was behind the wall and out of the ballpark,” Torre told The Daily News. “It certainly wasn’t for a lack of doing his job, just a misunderstanding of the rule.”
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Not knowing the proper rules is a lack of the umpire doing his job.
For an umpire……not knowing the ground is the definition of not doing there job.
I think that it’s about time the managers need to start taping the pregame meetings with the umpires when they go over the ground rules. If he gives Kelleher one intepretation (as kelleher said) and Girardi another, there are issues. The rules also state that you can’t protest umpire judgment calls and video replays.
How often do the umpires get ground rules wrong? This was just a mistake, everyone makes them. There were four umpires involved in the decision and they took a long time to decide. They didn’t understand the rules as regards that little fence. It sucks but it happens.
The Yankees didn’t lose the game because of that. They were 1-10 with RISP.
His interpretation was that the back fence was behind the wall and out of the ballpark,? Torre told The Daily News. ?It certainly wasn’t for a lack of doing his job, just a misunderstanding of the rule
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Sorry, Torre-but isn’t it his job to know the rules?
I’m actually pretty amused by this.
The amount of times that a team is rewarded for bad calls (or missed strike calls) is WAY more than they’re ever punished for them. This is especially true in the case of good teams.
Unreal how people ask for calm here yet again another false accusation by another moron who doesn’t know squat.
So West Coast is posing under another name. And I defended you West Coast.
The amount of times that a team is rewarded for bad calls (or missed strike calls) is WAY more than they’re ever punished for them.
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How is that possible?
think that it?s about time the managers need to start taping the pregame meetings with the umpires when they go over the ground rules.
You seriously crack me up. Maybe just take a camcorder out to home plate before the game? Hire a guy to keep track of the meetings? Keep a library of all the ground rules in MLB in case one guy makes a mistake.
I mean, you made a mistake earlier today when talking about Lavarnway.. You chose to spit out a bunch of facts that couldn’t have been further from the truth, and all it took was a quick google search to prove you wrong.
Does this mean we should start recording your rants and predictions? Or just chalk it up as a mistake and move on?
readin these comments i feel like im in some twisted sherlock holmes/twilgiht zone episode,
ppl makin multipale names, others lookin through months of posts to expose them,
damn, just come and say what u got to say, positive or negative, arent we all pullin for the same thing? yankees WS #28?
“On August 17th 2011, in a New York Yankees vs. Kansas City Royals game, DeMuth was responsible for a controversial call that cost the Yankees the game. Royals DH Billy Butler hit what appeared to be a homerun to left center, but replays showed that the ball hit off of the top of the padding of the wall and did not clear a short fence set up behind the wall. Kauffman Stadium ground rules indicate that a ball must clear the short fence to be considered a homerun. After DeMuth went back to the clubhouse to review the play, he emerged and ruled the ball a homerun, clearly making the wrong call in spite of having watched the replay for over five minutes.”
Demuth is not a new kid on the block. He’s a crew chief and has umpired for 26 years in MLB. For him to not know the ground rules is incomprehensible. That means that he has either changed his mind to fit a need or he’s been calling it wrong since 2000 when the league umpires merged.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
How often do the umpires get ground rules wrong? This was just a mistake, everyone makes them. There were four umpires involved in the decision and they took a long time to decide. They didn’t understand the rules as regards that little fence. It sucks but it happens.
The Yankees didn’t lose the game because of that. They were 1-10 with RISP.
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Going 1-10 with RISP is one of the reasons they lost.
Colon giving up a 3 run bomb is another reason they lost. As is giving up that 5th run.
There can be multiple reasons for winning or losing a game.
Another reason is because the umpires blew the call on a rule they seemed to know Monday night (according to Mick Kelleher). They also lost the game because of that.
Nice story about Justin Masterson and his teammates.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....lb-wp16136
Jacob Ruppert August 18th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
So West Coast is posing under another name. And I defended you West Coast.
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Jacob, that is C R 9. Wake up dude.
ppl makin multipale names, others lookin through months of posts to expose them,
Nobody has multiple screennames. It’s just some half-wit, angry kid in his parent’s basement trying to get a rise out of posters.
I’ve been the same screenname for a year now, and have one account. I have no idea what that Dbag is talking about.
Girardi blew it by not protesting the call. It’s not like you only get one protest a year or something. There was no down side to it and he didn’t pull the trigger. Brain cramp on his part.
And if Mick Kelleher knew the rule to be different, he should have immediately told Joe what the scoop was.
With CB Bucknor and Kerwin Danley in DeMuth’s crew, that has to be the worst umpiring combination in the business. No wonder they got it wrong and won’t admit it.
Howard August 18th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
ppl makin multipale names, others lookin through months of posts to expose them,
Nobody has multiple screennames. It’s just some half-wit, angry kid in his parent’s basement trying to get a rise out of posters.
I’ve been the same screenname for a year now, and have one account. I have no idea what that Dbag is talking about.
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That is C R 9. Pay no attention to him.
I had the K.C. feed from MLB and the Royals announcers said several times that the ball was not hit out as the replays clearly showed. It showed Butler in the K.C. dugout fully prepared to head for 2nd base with a ground rule double as the correct call before the replay review was ever made.
I don’t know what Lavarnway’s previous splits are but to be fair to GB, in AAA his home Ops is 1.237 vs. 739 on the road.
BJK August 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
How often do the umpires get ground rules wrong? This was just a mistake, everyone makes them. There were four umpires involved in the decision and they took a long time to decide. They didn’t understand the rules as regards that little fence. It sucks but it happens.
The Yankees didn’t lose the game because of that. They were 1-10 with RISP.
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Going 1-10 with RISP is one of the reasons they lost. Colon giving up a 3 run bomb is another reason they lost. As is giving up that 5th run. There can be multiple reasons for winning or losing a game. Another reason is because the umpires blew the call on a rule they seemed to know Monday night (according to Mick Kelleher). They also lost the game because of that.
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All good points and true. The umps blew a call, it sucks. No one is happy about it, least of all the umpiring crew and MLB. They want to get it right.
Again…you can’t protest judgment calls or video replays.
I thought one of the main reasons the Yanks lost last night was the HP ump calling Swisher out w/2 men on in the 8th when the pitch was clearly way outside:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
Nick was in a no-win situation there: swing at that pitch and look like a fool, take it and have the bat taken out of your hands by an incompetent ump…
*make that the 7th inning…
To WCYF (i.e. Red Sox fan who habitually pretends to be a Yankee fan due to some weird thing that happened to him in childhood) and all the other imposter and morons ruining this place by fighting about their identities you have won. You can add me to the list of your casualties.
This place is now unreadable. Sad.
Later.
The umpiring crew is so tore up about their screw-up that they refuse to admit it or talk about it.
The rules also state that you can’t protest umpire judgment calls and video replays
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Don’t think this was a matter of an umpire’s judgement call. Nobody, including the umpiring crew had question in their mind as to where the ball hit. The issue was whether a ball that hit where it did was a homerun or not. That’s not a matter of judegement, but rather a matter of the ground rules governing that particular stadium. As the umpiring crew was clearly guilty of a misapplication of the rules, I’m fairly certain that Girardi could have protested on the spot and would have been rewarded with at least the courtesy of a review/hearing.
G. Love – it is unreadable due to people like you who accuse die hard Yankee fans like me of being Red Sux fans. You are the problem.
Wave Your Hat August 18th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
And if Mick Kelleher knew the rule to be different, he should have immediately told Joe what the scoop was.
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Like Chip said earlier, by the time Kelleher realized that Girardi was hearing something different than what he had been told Monday night, the game was probably underway again.
Props to Torree for acknowledging the mistake. That is a vast improvement over the opaque nature of his predecessors. Now the ump should be fined publicly for not making hImself available to he media. There also needs to be a public scorecard of each umpire and all their miscues.
Yes, this was a ridiculous mistake by an ump that should get the ump suspended. But Girardi HAS to get it right, too, and he didn’t. Why didn’t he consult with Kelleher, since he obviously knew it was Kelleher who had received the ground rules from the umps before the game? If he had talked to Kelleher, the coach would have told him that what the umps told him re. ground rules before the game was completely different from what they were now contending. Girardi made a mistake, and it could cost the Yanks the division.
As for the umps, how can you have a pre-game meeting to go over the ground rules, state one thing about the fence, then, just a couple of hours later, say that the rules are completely different than what you said they were at the beginning of the game? This is just blatant incompetence, at best, by the umps.
“Again…you can’t protest judgment calls or video replays.”
You can’t protest an incorrect rule interpretation?
So, let’s say a ball hits the foul pole, the umps review it, and come out and say “it hit the foul pole, it’s a foul ball” it is unreviewable? ]
That can’t be right.
What’s is so dumb about it is that during the 10 minutes they were reviewing the play could they not have had someone clarify the ground rule.if they weren’t 100% sure? I mean I would think that would be a given that they would have someone ask to doublecheck what was and what wasn’t over the fence.
it’s over with, who cares? i would rather talk about why Montero is playing Spades in AAA while the Red Sox call up Lavarnway to fill a need. Cashman and Co. should take notes.
Have the Sox actually called up Lavarnway? I thought it was just a rumor so far.
Torre says that he wouldn’t have woken up to protest either
blake August 18th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
What?s is so dumb about it is that during the 10 minutes they were reviewing the play could they not have had someone clarify the ground rule.if they weren?t 100% sure?
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blake, I had the KC feed, and both announcers were questioning what was taking so long. Just a very strange situation.
You can’t protest an incorrect rule interpretation?
So, let’s say a ball hits the foul pole, the umps review it, and come out and say “it hit the foul pole, it’s a foul ball” it is unreviewable? ]
That can’t be right.
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It’s not right. Girardi could have protested. As he indicated, he chose to trust the umpires and their (mis)interpretation of the ground rules.
Dill Pickler August 18th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Yes, this was a ridiculous mistake by an ump that should get the ump suspended. But Girardi HAS to get it right, too, and he didn’t.
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Girardi not protesting is the worse offense for me. Even if protests rarely/never work, it’s the principle.
I don’t want my leader to go down without a fight. Even if it’s futile, this is the type of thing where I’d want to see Girardi show some strength.
Not filing a protest is either laziness or a sign of weakness. Or both.
waka?
who is montero gonna replace?, u gotta free a spot for arod, then who gets the boot?
Have the Sox actually called up Lavarnway? I thought it was just a rumor so far
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Scuttlebut is he’ll be called up and Youkilis will be DL’d.
“It certainly wasn’t for a lack of doing his job, just a misunderstanding of the rule.”
wtf!!! knowing the ground rules is his job. that’s inexcusable. only mlb umpires behind their powerful union can $#@% this up royally and still be called a “misunderstanding”. everybody should have a job where competence and accountability are not required.
blake August 18th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Torre says that he wouldn?t have woken up to protest either
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The video replay is the final judge on boundry calls. Can you imagine the eruption from DeMuth and MLB if Girardi had told DeMuth that he was wrong and lying about what he told Kelleher? If you can’t take the word of the umpiring crew for knowing what they were doing, it’s time to start using electronic umpires and get rid of the primadonas that have decided that THEY are the show.
waka flocka August 18th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
it’s over with, who cares? i would rather talk about why Montero is playing Spades in AAA while the Red Sox call up Lavarnway to fill a need. Cashman and Co. should take notes.
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If Posada got hurt, that would be the need Montero would fill. The Yankees don’t need a DH right now, they have 3.
It is amazing the umpires don’t know a ground rule. That is the purpose of the pre-game meeting at home along with exchanging lien-ups. It is about as ridiculous that Torre says they were doing their job. Be that as it may, it is over and must move on.
Why is AROD not able to play tonight? He says he has no trouble hitting and ran well last night. Can’t the Yankees rely on their AAA trainer and coaches, or are they saying he is not yet ready? A day DHing or not really wouldn’t seem to make a difference in his recovery. I guess I am confused.
The video replay is the final judge on boundry calls.
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Wasn’t a boundry call. It was interpretation of the ground rules.
austinmac-I think they just want to judge where Alex is for themselves. That was the impression I got, anway.
Except Posada sucks, Chavez can’t handle regular PT, and Andruw Jones is Andruw Jones. None of these fellows should be blocking the Yankees top hitting prospect from getting reps down the stretch
edit: anyway
“If you can’t take the word of the umpiring crew for knowing what they were doing, it’s time to start using electronic umpires and get rid of the primadonas that have decided that THEY are the show.”
No, the umpires just made a mistake. You tell the crew chief you think he’s wrong, protest the game and go back to the dugout. Worst that happens is the protest is disallowed. Maybe the crew chief doesn’t invite you over for Thanksgiving turkey.
Girardi should have protested, he made the last mistake.
Personally I think George Brett paid off the umpires…..I mean he’s cheated before with the pine tar. (Kidding….I love Brett)
A-Rod isn’t playing because he said he felt hesitant on his knee a few days ago
According to standard thinking, this is “not in the spirit of the rules”….according to Lee McPhail – Pine Tar Game.
Anyway ……on to Target field. Cc gets #17 tonight!
Umps make mistakes which are acceptable such as a bang/bang play at first or a close tag play at any base. It happens and it is part of the game.
Not knowing a simple ground rule does not fall into the same category, particularly when you have time to review the video and the applicable ground rule.
Home field advantage is going to mean a lot this year. It is the difference between playing deciding games at home versus in Texas or Boston.
waka flocka August 18th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Except Posada sucks, Chavez can’t handle regular PT, and Andruw Jones is Andruw Jones. None of these fellows should be blocking the Yankees top hitting prospect from getting reps down the stretch
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But they are. None of them are getting released. Jones is also the 4th outfielder. There’s just no roster space.
The only reason why Lavarnway is up is because Youkilis is DL’d and Ortiz is hobbled and possibly next.
According to standard thinking, this is “not in the spirit of the rules”….according to Lee McPhail – Pine Tar Game
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Why was that a rule in the first place? Concerns over the pine tar darkening the balls or something?
Too bad there aren’t microphones in the room where the replay box was. If there was you can guarantee the umps would be embarrassed. You would hear a lot of do you know the ground rules? No do you? Then at the end I am sure it went something like if we aren’t sure just call it a homerun…ok. They took a long time to come out so it’s obvious they didn’t know what was going on. What idiots to not know the rules.
The Yankees should write the NYS ground rules in ancient Sumerian cuneiform, thus gaining the homefield advantage of umpires being unable to correctly interpret them in the opponents favor.
I have no idea why it was a rule, but, it was on the books for years before it was taken out a few years back. I suppose because it put pine tar on th baseballs and the balls were kept in play instead of being changed out every 2 pitches like today.
Not understanding the ground rules *is* not doing your job.
Erin,
I also read that the team wanted to evaluate him themselves. Can’t they rely on the AAA people? If not, they need new people. In any event, players show up hours before a game. That would be the time for evalaution. Then decide.
I also read about his hesitancy about his knee a couple days ago. As one who had knee surgery, playing five weeks and three days after surgery asnd playing one day later really is completley insignificant. In other words, if he isn’t ready today he won’t be tomorrow and vice-versa.
Jerkface August 18th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
The Yankees should write the NYS ground rules in ancient Sumerian cuneiform, thus gaining the homefield advantage of umpires being unable to correctly interpret them in the opponents favor.
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Youkilis to DL..Ryan Lavarnway up and in game tonight v. KC.
I suppose it depends on who is responsible for the hiring of medical staffs in the minors…the team owners or the people that own the stadium, NYYs may not own the team (not sure)
“In other words, if he isn’t ready today he won’t be tomorrow and vice-versa.”
Im not sure its an issue with pain or stiffness so much as him just not trusting it……if that’s the case then a day or two more of confidence building that he’s ok could make a difference..
I don’t mind a bad call, but viewing the replay twice, which I’m sure each of them reviewed it 10 times each, you can clearly see that there is no such thing as a “secondary fence” There is barely one fence, a mere 1 foot high fence. I don’t understand why, at worst case scenario, they wouldn’t decide that the ball may have possibly hit the secondary fence, and than walk out there to see that there is nothing else that could have deadened the ball as much as it hitting on the bottom corner of the fence, and the back end of the top portion of the wall.
If they didn’t have instant replay I can see this being a missed call, but with instant replay, it’s an absolute disgrace, unless they need to hire younger umpires that actually know how to use the rewind and fast-forward button.
Even the Butler himself knew it was a home-run, and he didn’t view the replay once!
I also read about his hesitancy about his knee a couple days ago. As one who had knee surgery, playing five weeks and three days after surgery asnd playing one day later really is completley insignificant. In other words, if he isn’t ready today he won’t be tomorrow and vice-versa
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If I recall correctly, the initial projections for his return were more along the line of 6-7 weeks. He’s a little early. No reason not to be extra careful.
What’s wrong with Youkakis……Big Pawpaw has bursitis.
youk has a bad back
With all the stat heads in the game today….is there anyone keeping track of the blown calls? I know the umps do for their own ratings right? But are those public and is there any independent group that tracks them?
Yuke is on the DL.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....up_yo.html
Youk hurt himself trying to shave his back hair?
How can you forgive the umps for this? How can you?
BJK,
I know they are. This is why I am annoyed. They shouldn’t be blocking Montero.
Doc,
Sorry, missed your post. The Yankees will probably send Noesi to AAA for A-Rod, move one of Nova/Hughes/Colon in the bullpen. They could get creative and option Ayala and carry 11 pitchers for a while. That could be a way to ensure the odd man out of the rotation is still stretched out (kinda) in case of an emergency.
blake August 18th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
What’s wrong with Youkakis……Big Pawpaw has bursitis.
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You mean besides whining all day long, being ugly and looking like a hitman for “The Bald Gangstas Mafia Family”?
blake August 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Youk hurt himself trying to shave his back hair?
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please excuse me while I go throw up
GB,
Youkalis probably shaves a life size portrait of Pedroia in his back hair.
Speaking of punks (not you this time West Coast), Pedroia is the only person on Earth that can strut while sitting down.
One of the lessons that should be taken from this (but won’t) is that Girardi himself should go to the meeting at the plate before games for the discussion of the ground rules. It is much less effective (verging on useless) for Kelleher to have the information when he is not the one who will argue in the event of a dispute. DeMuth would have had a much harder time playing fast and loose on this if he had told Girardi directly that the ball had to clear the fence in a pre-game go-over and then tried to change the tune when the issue came up for real.
But the same-old same-old will continue because, as manager/general being paid millions, it’s fulfilling to have coaches at your disposal you can send out to do the grunt work.
wacko,
ayalia has pitched well, its a tuff call,
i dont think there is a rush to get montero up, however i think we should bring him before 9/1 JUST IN CASE he hits well u want to have the option of puttin him on the postseason roster
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Speaking of punks (not you this time West Coast), Pedroia is the only person on Earth that can strut while sitting down.
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In honor of Louie Ayalia here is a funny link, you may have seen this if you watched YES
http://t.co/vGcd4w3
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Speaking of punks (not you this time West Coast), Pedroia is the only person on Earth that can strut while sitting down.
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This punk didn’t make doing what you did.
.. a living
…I always thought pedroia was playing second base while sitting down.
And damned proud of every minute of nearly 36 years of it.
this is another reason that giradri must go. why did he not file a protest ? what if the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game.giraedi has now burned out colon,overused rivera,cant pick out 5 starters.
JackCurryYES 2 mins A-Rod sighting at Target Field. He’s about to begin a workout. Both Yankee trainers are observing
This punk didn?t make (a living) doing what you did
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Telling bad jokes and being uber corny all the time while pretending to have some kind of huge vat of knowledge to draw on regarding anything and everything minor leagues?
“This punk didn’t make doing what you did.”
What…..defend the country?
sandy g August 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
this is another reason that giradri must go. why did he not file a protest ? what if the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game.giraedi has now burned out colon,overused rivera,cant pick out 5 starters.
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please…..giradi has manger outstanding since he got here…hes made some bad moves, name me one manager who hasnt….
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
And damned proud of every minute of nearly 36 years of it.
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Good for you. We see the world differently.
eboland11 A-Rod on field about to do some early work. Tony Pena, Mick Kelleher, Kevin Long, Rob Thomson all out to evaluate along with Gene Monahan
Joelsherman1 Heard Joba, recovering from TJ surgery, is travelling from Neb to Minn to be with #Yankees for few days
teixeiramark25 Although he may not play for a few days, it’s going to be great to see Alex in Minnesota tonight! #yankees are ready for the stretch run!
No doubt that Rivera’s 47 innings is causing overuse. Jesus. I thought idiots only showed up at night. He has no reason o pick only 5 starters. NYYs will need all 6 in the rotation. If Colon was burned out, it happened 6 years ago, not a month ago.
this is another reason that giradri must go. why did he not file a protest ? what if the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game.giraedi has now burned out colon,overused rivera,cant pick out 5 starters.
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If they miss the playoffs by one game, it’ll mean they blew a 9 game lead with 40 games to go, at which point Girardi would have far bigger problems than failing to file a protest in mid August will cause him.
eboland11 ran into Joba, who came in from Nebraska, earlier today. said everything is going well with recovery.
Blake, like many of the troops overseas, we’re a lot more satisfied with the water wells we drilled, the hospitals, schools and clinics we built and the homes we repaired because of damage from anything from quakes, flood to war. As much as that, it was watching 70 year old people coming from 20 miles away on foot to vote for the first time in a real election. We weren’t playing cowboys and Indians for fun. Some idiots have the wrong idea of the things the miltary really does.
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
blake August 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Youk hurt himself trying to shave his back hair?
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please excuse me while I go throw up
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Junior mints don’t look pretty that way.
sandy g August 18th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
this is another reason that giradri must go. why did he not file a protest ? what if the yankees miss the playoffs by 1 game.giraedi has now burned out colon,overused rivera,cant pick out 5 starters.
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West Coast,
Criticizing someone for having been in the military officially makes you an idiot. Without a military, you would have been goose stepping in elementary school instead of doing whatever it was that so twisted your outlook.
Dear Bud Selig-
Instant Replay is not working!
Its common knowledge you enjoy watching the umpires fail and look forward to placing all blame onto them, but isn’t time you step up, accept the criticism and act like an adult?
I think so!
Signed-
Joe Torre
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
And damned proud of every minute of nearly 36 years of it.
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Good for you. We see the world differently.
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It’s to bad you haven’t figured out this is a baseball blog.
MaineYankee August 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
blake August 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Youk hurt himself trying to shave his back hair?
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please excuse me while I go throw up
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Junior mints don?t look pretty that way.
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OMG, you guys are killing me today. LOL At this point I don’t think I’ll have much of an appetite for supper.
Without a military we could never have intentionally involved ourselves in both world wars. Oh the horror…
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
eboland11 ran into Joba, who came in from Nebraska, earlier today. said everything is going well with recovery.
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I assume that Karter has gotten his dad through the first days of school.
GB7,
You mean you didn’t raid and plunder villages all day?
I agree….many people really have no idea.
WTP:
Last night’s ruling had nothing to do with instant replay.
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
I assume that Karter has gotten his dad through the first days of school.
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yes, wasn’t that nice of him to give his dad a few days off?
Howard
Do you have Lavarnway’s prior H/R splits?
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Blake, like many of the troops overseas, we’re a lot more satisfied with the water wells we drilled, the hospitals, schools and clinics we built and the homes we repaired because of damage from anything from quakes, flood to war. As much as that, it was watching 70 year old people coming from 20 miles away on foot to vote for the first time in a real election. We weren’t playing cowboys and Indians for fun. Some idiots have the wrong idea of the things the miltary really does.
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I have no problem with the military. I respect the concept of service and the necessity of having a strong, capable military. I have a problem with certain conflicts and with the policies of this country.
Individuals do have a choice whether to serve and to engage in conflicts that many consider immoral and result in the deaths of innocent people.
ID and West Coast,
People who post under multiple names are also idiots.
Have you ever actually read a history book? Are you a fan of Hitler? Nazi world domination would be okay with you?
No, you are simply an an idiot.
Irrelevant Discourse..another idiot.
“Without a military we could never have intentionally involved ourselves in both world wars.”
I guess we bombed ourselves at Pearl Harbor? Please…..
You can bury your head in the sand GB7, but the truth hurts.
MaineYankee August 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
It’s to bad you haven’t figured out this is a baseball blog.
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GB7 started slinging insults. Perhaps you haven’t noticed, I don’t back down to anyone. I don’t seek your approval and I don’t care about strangers opinions of what I believe.
I talk plenty of baseball.
I have no problem with the military. I respect the concept of service and the necessity of having a strong, capable military. I have a problem with certain conflicts and with the policies of this country.
Individuals do have a choice whether to serve and to engage in conflicts that many consider immoral and result in the deaths of innocent people.
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Part of this is true. You do have problems. a lot of them and they can’t be solved without professional help.
blake – We certainly didn’t stop it from getting bombed… even though they knew it was going to happen. Didn’t stop the Lucitania from purposely going into German waters to get blown up and push the country into WW1… Didn’t stop them fro mkaing up the bay of tonkin event to get us into Vietnam…
I’m the idiot, how do you people not know this stuff?
austinmac August 18th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
ID and West Coast, People who post under multiple names are also idiots. Have you ever actually read a history book? Are you a fan of Hitler? Nazi world domination would be okay with you? No, you are simply an an idiot.
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I have never posted under another name here.
WWII was a horrific but a very honorable war and I have nothing but great respect for those who served and gave their lives. Tom Brokaw was correct when he called those men and women the greatest generation.
What has happened since then, is another story.
Impressive not to back down on an anonymous blog. You define tough guy.
Normally, I don’t get involved in your childish, immature behavior. I feel dirty by association.
Started slinging insults? I only said that you weren’t the punk I was talking about. That’s my opinion…just like you said that it was everyones right to have.
Now, hurry off and tell “Bobby” so he can come by and protect you.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
MaineYankee August 18th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
It’s to bad you haven’t figured out this is a baseball blog.
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GB7 started slinging insults. Perhaps you haven’t noticed, I don’t back down to anyone. I don’t seek your approval and I don’t care about strangers opinions of what I believe.
I talk plenty of baseball.
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I’m not asking for your approval.
I’m asking for you to be respectful to others.
You have proven that you aren’t capable.
eboland11 A-Rod now in cage for second session
WCYF…You have a problem with people who serve and defend our country?
eboland11 took 10 swings, sat, took 10 more. put a couple to the wall
Irreverent Discourse August 18th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
blake – We certainly didn’t stop it from getting bombed… even though they knew it was going to happen. Didn’t stop the Lucitania from purposely going into German waters to get blown up and push the country into WW1… Didn’t stop them fro mkaing up the bay of tonkin event to get us into Vietnam…
I’m the idiot, how do you people not know this stuff?
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German waters? Germany owned the Irish sea?
ID,
Do you seriously believe that the United States could have just stood on the sidelines in both WW1 and WW2? Do you think Hitler would have stopped with Europe? Again…..please, it was inevitable in both cases and it was necessary.
Howard
Do you have Lavarnway?s prior H/R splits?
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No, I googled it this morning, and after searching was brought to a post about it on SOSH, where those guys copied and pasted the pay-for information from BP or somewhere. He was definitely better at home each year at Lowell or Pawtucket, but not significantly so (like ~50pts either way).
I don’t pay for the service, so I had to spend some time looking it up, but they were also talking abou it on MLB radio this morning. His OPS is tremendous, but he’s like 1.2 or something at Pawtucket.
My beef was that people (or Just GB) say he’s a dead pull hitter with slow bat speed who is a product of his park, which is undoubtedly, not true at all.
This blog has officially jumped the shark.
With some of the idiots who post here lately, it is no wonder why so many good posters have left.
Individuals do have a choice whether to serve and to engage in conflicts that many consider immoral and result in the deaths of innocent people.
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And you made your’s and GB made his. Maybe the appropriate thing to do is have continued peace of mind with your decision and respect GB’s and those who go the other way. Passing judgement is weak sauce, especially on one you don’t know.
However, he is frequent to not hit guys who throw 95+mph with a deadly curve ball, though.
Rolls eyes.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
How often do the umpires get ground rules wrong? This was just a mistake, everyone makes them. There were four umpires involved in the decision and they took a long time to decide. They didn’t understand the rules as regards that little fence. It sucks but it happens.
The Yankees didn’t lose the game because of that. They were 1-10 with RISP.
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A major league umpire not knowing or comprehending the ground rules of a stadium he’s calling the game in should not be acceptable.
This isn’t a case of something happening so quickly he missed it like a bang-bang play at a base. This is not doing basic preparation. It would be like a lawyer showing up for trial without knowing the basics of the case.
WCYF
I don’t care about strangers opinions of what I believe.
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What you believe doesn’t belong here but you take every opportunity to spew your politics without any invitation.
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
WCYF…You have a problem with people who serve and defend our country?
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No. I have a problem with certain conflicts and with those who choose to serve an immoral effort.
Anyway…..Im pretty pumped to Betances tonight. I’ve seen Banuelos a fair amount but only in ST for Dellin.
The US was involved in Vietnam as far back as 1954. Whose planes and pilots do you think was supplying the French at Dien Bien Phu
Maine Yankee – the day people stop posting about guns and hunting and Muppets and Bert and Ernie and movies and songs, etc. I’ll get the message.
GB,
Thank you for your service. That is all. I fall on a very clear cut edge here. My father was a submarine captain for several years in Groton, CT. and I was a military kid my entire life.
I think that they should throw red paint on those that hug plastic trees
People in the Military don’t get to choose which conflict they want to be in.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Maine Yankee ? the day people stop posting about guns and hunting and Muppets and Bert and Ernie and movies and songs, etc. I?ll get the message.
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1. Bert and Ernie are Muppets.
2.
WCYF
I’ll get the message.
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You have proved otherwise.
I never expected any thanks, Howard, though appreciated. I just don’t care to have some idiot think that what we do is a criminal act.
Leave Bert and Ernie out of this.
Yes GB7. And 55,000 Americans and 2,000,000 Vietnamese died in vain. For nothing. The Communists didn’t take over the world, the dominoes didn’t fall, we’re now friends.
Plenty of American serviceman of that era were against the war and actively worked to end it and became the backbone of the anti-war movement. They saved countless lives as did all the demonstrators who petitioned our government to end the war.
The Vietnam Veterans Against the War had 25,000 members by the end of the war.
GB7 – The German Embassy too out an article in the Times or… some other NY paper… I could look it up but apparently YOU need to google some of this stuff… explicitly telling people to not get on the Lucitania as it planned to pass through German occupied waters. They didn’t own it, but they were controlling it at the time.
GB7
Did you see the link on the last thread I gave you?
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Leave Bert and Ernie out of this.
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Thank you munson! How they got involved in this I have no idea. They’re innocent bystanders!!!
Howard, you’re a BS artist. You’re WCYF. You answered as WCYF earlier today and you got caught in your web of lies and deceit!
This whole conversation is completely ridiculous.
Ther is no reason to judge the men and women that are in uniform, who put themselves at personal risk to defend our country in many cases simply to give themselves and their families a better life. War is an extension of politics and if you diagree with the politics that get us to war that’s fine but please be mature enough to recognize the difference.
People in the Military don?t get to choose which conflict they want to be in.
Or choose anything for that matter. They are told where to go, and what to do every day of their lives and do it happily. Just becuase some people don’t agree with them doesn’t make it any less honorable.
Personally, I think those who don’t believe in military should be sent to Southern Nevada, quarantined off, and be left to fend to defend themselves. They’d quickly see that the rest of the world doesn’t want peace either.
I will sleep well tonight knowing that men and women are holding guns on walls I don’t have to ever see or protect, or men and women are floating around on black oceans defending the rights to those who would rather they weren’t there and make it public that they feel that way.
That is all.
1. Bert and Ernie are Muppets.
2.
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They just hate Junior Mints. It gets stuck all over their furry faces. Have you ever drawn a beard on bert’s picture? scary how much he loks like Pedroia.
OK, Girardi, that lineup can go up ANY time now.
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
People in the Military don’t get to choose which conflict they want to be in.
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By that logic, members of the German army as well?
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
WCYF…You have a problem with people who serve and defend our country?
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No. I have a problem with certain conflicts and with those who choose to serve an immoral effort.
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I really have no interest in becoming a part of this nonsense – however…
What, in the name of Hades, gives you the right to determine what is and is not morally correct or immoral for the rest of us?
Bert and Ernie are Al Qaeda.
So are Bert and Ernie muppets or not? I thought they were Sesame street.creatures like Big Bird?
“How often do the umpires get ground rules wrong? This was just a mistake, everyone makes them. ”
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Mick Kelleher said the umpires told him the exact ground rules before the series – and that it had to clear that fence to be a HR. They then changed these rules in the middle of last night’s game.
That is more than a simple mistake. It’s a suspension-worthy mistake.
period.
The irony of the situation is that any idiot that has a negative comment about the military and can voice it is BECAUSE OF THE MILITARY.
They gave you that right. Try not to be such a d_ck about what they have to do.
I wonder what Girardi will do with his lineup when Jesus Montero gets called up. This article says he won’t be getting called up until Sept. 1 —> http://stuckonprospects.mlblog.....ge-posada/
What, in the name of Hades, gives you the right to determine what is and is not morally correct or immoral for the rest of us?
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You could not be more correct. It’s my opinion.
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
They just hate Junior Mints. It gets stuck all over their furry faces. Have you ever drawn a beard on bert?s picture? scary how much he loks like Pedroia.
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Are you trying to give me a heart attack? Bert looks nothing like the elf!!!!
eboland11 A-Rod now taking grounders. don’t think pop ups are on the agenda
How do people not realize that “That is all” is similar to the signature “dismissed” ?????
WCYF = HOWARD!
GreenBeret7 says:
August 18, 2011 at 3:55 pm
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They just hate Junior Mints. It gets stuck all over their furry faces. Have you ever drawn a beard on bert’s picture? scary how much he loks like Pedroia.
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Please. Bert has way more hair than Pedroia.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
People in the Military don’t get to choose which conflict they want to be in.
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By that logic, members of the German army as well?
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That’s correct – German soldiers who were drafted into service did not have a choice but to serve. That’s not the same as those German soldiers who applied to serve as officers of the SS.
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
They just hate Junior Mints. It gets stuck all over their furry faces. Have you ever drawn a beard on bert?s picture? scary how much he loks like Pedroia.
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Are you trying to give me a heart attack? Bert looks nothing like the elf!!!!
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Just trying to change the subject and giving you nightmares. I’m not scared of you. Erica scares me. That’s why I didn’t say Ernie.
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Just trying to change the subject and giving you nightmares. I?m not scared of you. Erica scares me. That?s why I didn?t say Ernie.
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West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
What, in the name of Hades, gives you the right to determine what is and is not morally correct or immoral for the rest of us?
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You could not be more correct. It’s my opinion.
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well then your statement about “immoral efforts” is not reflective of that.
Mick Kelleher said the umpires told him the exact ground rules before the series – and that it had to clear that fence to be a HR. They then changed these rules in the middle of last night’s game.
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Did Kelleher relay this info to Girardi? That’s what I find puzzling. Girardi was told that the ground rules dictate that it was a home run. Kelleher indicates he was told the exact opposite was true. Girardi said he did not protest because he trusted the umpires were right on this. I have a hard time believing Girardi trust the umpiring crew more than his own coaching staff. Makes we wonder whether the info was communicated to Girardi.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand:
Bang – bang play at the plate or on a base, I get it, poop happens. I’m not happy about it but I get it.
Not knowing the basic ground rules of the stadium in which you’re calling a game: unacceptable lack of professionalism on the part of the umpires.
Mell,
very peculiar (and unfortunate.)
Mell August 18th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Mick Kelleher said the umpires told him the exact ground rules before the series – and that it had to clear that fence to be a HR. They then changed these rules in the middle of last night’s game.
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Did Kelleher relay this info to Girardi? That’s what I find puzzling. Girardi was told that the ground rules dictate that it was a home run. Kelleher indicates he was told the exact opposite was true. Girardi said he did not protest because he trusted the umpires were right on this. I have a hard time believing Girardi trust the umpiring crew more than his own coaching staff. Makes we wonder whether the info was communicated to Girardi.
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I didn’t see that part of the game but I wonder if:
a) Kelleher was in the dugout – it’s not unreasonable to think he might have used the half inning while the Yankees were in the field to venture inside to use the bathroom?
b) Kelleher assumed Girardi was being told the same thing that he (Kelleher) had been told earlier in the series and by the time he realized that something was amiss, Colon had already thrown his next pitch.
Chip August 18th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
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That’s correct – German soldiers who were drafted into service did not have a choice but to serve. That’s not the same as those German soldiers who applied to serve as officers of the SS.
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Respectfully you are misinformed.
“While the principal perpetrators of the Holocaust amongst German armed forces were the Nazi German ‘political’ armies (the SS-Totenkopfverbände and particularly the Einsatzgruppen), the regular armed forces represented by the Wehrmacht committed war crimes of their own, particularly on the Eastern Front in the war against the Soviet Union.”
“The Israeli historian Omer Bartov, a leading expert on the Wehrmacht wrote in 2003 that the Wehrmacht was a willing instrument of genocide, and that it is simply untrue that the Wehrmacht was an apolitical, professional fighting force that had only a few “bad apples”.
This place is now ‘OFFICIALLY’ over the edge. A complete loony bin, the gates have been run through and the inmates are running rampid.
LMAO !
Thanks GB..you just ruined Ernie for me. We better stop before this turns into a gay marriage discussion. lol
Vineyard – get back in your sock drawer!
Were the Germans for the Red Sox? I just didn’t know who to pull for here!
What on Earth is going in here ?
Or maybe it is not of this Earth ?
Wow.
I leave for a couple of hours and all hell breaks lose.
Alien attack.
Run for your lives !
(I’d make one of those Rolls eyes deals But I don’t know how).
I must have made a wrong turn somewhere.
This is like the Twilight Zone.
Lower left or top right ? LMAO ! !
Chip,
I’m guessing it was (b)
but still it’s not good. yanks/girardi needed to get their act together and protest that.
MTU August 18th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
What on Earth is going in here ?
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No kidding huh ? Where are the guys with the nets and the white coats.
Vineyard, you don’t know what drawer is yours? What kind of sock puppet are you?
Chip-I’m willing it bet it was along the lines of (b)
It’s really creepy watching you talk to yourself trying to perpetuate your lies.
YankeesWFAN Jeter has 5 games this year with at least 4 hits. Tied for his career high (1998 and 2000).
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Lost, time to dip into the Vino @1:16pm, early even for me.
Irreverent Discourse August 18th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
It’s really creepy watching you talk to yourself trying to perpetuate your lies.
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I have never posted under any name but this one. Feel free to continue making things up if it makes you happy.
ID why don’t you give Vineyard Yankee a call. He posted his phone for you. Afriad you will be exposed as a liar?
Go Jeter!
Go Cano!!!
LET’S GO YANKEES!!!
Actually WCYF, there is quite a bit of literature about the genocides in Germany and South Africa which argue that both sides are absolutely victims. I had the opportunity to speak with a man who was once imprisoned on robben island who now works with a man who guarded him there and he insisted to me these men were all victims of manipulation of the cruelest form. I’m just saying it’s not all black and white. Be able to separate the YOUNG men and women who fight the wars and the grown men who start them.
JackCurryYES Cashman on the Butler homer/missed call: “It’s just unfortunate. The basic premise is they have to know the ground rules. If they don’t know
JackCurryYES the ground rules, they’re not in position to umpire the game.” Cashman added: “They tell us the ground rules. You have to know them.”
JackCurryYES Cashman said the umpires told Mick Kelleher a homer had to clear the 2d fence on Mon, but “they didn’t make the right call on Wednesday.”
This whole place is in need of shrink. I can’t keep track of who’s who anymore.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 18th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Irreverent Discourse August 18th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
It’s really creepy watching you talk to yourself trying to perpetuate your lies.
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I have never posted under any name but this one. Feel free to continue making things up if it makes you happy.
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I’m new here… has this argument been going on for a long time?
I think these 2 just need to get it over with and bang already.
JackCurryYES Cashman spoke to Peter Woodfork of MLB. “MLB told me they made a mistake, but there’s nothing they can do about it,” Cashman said.
JackCurryYES Cashman theorized that it wouldn’t have mattered if Girardi filed a protest. “Those things never go anywhere,” Cashman said.
Erin-
Thanks for sharing that. Dana and his crew should be ashamed and donate their wages for the High Sock for Hope charity.
The entire crew did not earn their money last night at all.
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
This whole place is in need of shrink. I can’t keep track of who’s who anymore.
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haha its like that south park episode about Multiple personalities
WCYF:
Funny that ‘Manni’ ran away. LMAO !
JackCurryYES While Cashman said Yankees “gotta figure out a way to win the game, regardless,” said it’s frustrating 2 have 3d party play role in outcome
Doc Iac August 18th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
This whole place is in need of shrink. I can’t keep track of who’s who anymore.
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haha its like that south park episode about Multiple personalities
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Classic.
Well, it’s movie time. Today’s feature is “When Hell Was In Session”. No, it’s not about the day in the life of a LoHudder.
thanks Erin
it really is awful that they literally told Mick the rules on Monday, and then “forgot” them by Wednesday.
It’s not rocket science.
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Well, it?s movie time. Today?s feature is ?When Hell Was In Session?. No, it?s not about the day in the life of a LoHudder.
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Shame Spencer August 18th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Actually WCYF, there is quite a bit of literature about the genocides in Germany and South Africa which argue that both sides are absolutely victims. I had the opportunity to speak with a man who was once imprisoned on robben island who now works with a man who guarded him there and he insisted to me these men were all victims of manipulation of the cruelest form. I’m just saying it’s not all black and white. Be able to separate the YOUNG men and women who fight the wars and the grown men who start them.
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It’s true, it far from black and white. It’s a time honored tradition for those in power to use and manipulate those who are not only young but often disadvantaged. Case-in-point, there are a great many who decry the efforts of military recruiters in minority communities.
Where personal responsibility for one’s choices come into play is cloudy.
JackCurryYES Cashman on DeMuth/umpiring crew: “If you don’t know the ground rules, you’re not able to do your job. You have to know the ground rules.”
BD (Boston Dave) August 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
thanks Erin
it really is awful that they literally told Mick the rules on Monday, and then “forgot” them by Wednesday.
It’s not rocket science.
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Shows a lack of work ethic.
Bud Selig could be doing more to protect the umpires from mistakes like this, but instead Bud has chosen to leave the umpires hanging out to dry.
As long as Bud himself is NOT on the field making calls, all is well with the game.
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Doc Iac August 18th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
munson15 August 18th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
This whole place is in need of shrink. I can’t keep track of who’s who anymore.
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haha its like that south park episode about Multiple personalities
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Classic.
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haha yea, butters is by far the best charactor on the show
‘do u remember becoming…Big Rig Butters’
“Cashman theorized that it wouldn’t have mattered if Girardi filed a protest. “Those things never go anywhere,” Cashman said.”
No. so just stand there and do nothing. Yeah right.
Like Torre with the Midges.
Might have disturbed his nap.
The protest at least shows you have a brain,heart and a pulse.
C’mon Cash. You’ve got to be kidding ? Is that what you expect your Manager to do when a train wreck happens right in front of his eyes.
JackCurryYES Cashman planned to call Torre, Exec VP of bb ops and his former mgr, 2day. He knows call won’t be changed, but wanted to discuss it anyway
Doc Iac- Butters has always been one of my favorites
WCYF, you responded to me earlier as Howard.
No, he didn’t. I did. I was quoting, but didn’t preface my own comment with any kind of seperator, which in any case, you’re too stupid to understand.
Erin August 18th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Well, it?s movie time. Today?s feature is ?When Hell Was In Session?. No, it?s not about the day in the life of a LoHudder.
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that would be a very fitting title for today though
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Yes, it would be, but, it would have to be a serial: Chapter #1,350.
It’s about the 7 Years that Jeremiah Denton spent in a N. Vietnamese POW camp…with Hal Holbrooke and Eva Marie Saint. Outstanding movie.
‘those things never go anywhere’ ….classic cash. I love it.
“Girardi should have protested, he made the last mistake.”
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Yep. I don’t get how you don’t protest in this situation other than being a DUMB manager which Joe Girardi has proven to be all season.
George S would’ve canned Girardi by now..
On another note: How’s Mattingly doing out in LA? I think he is doing a fantastic job given the team he is managing. We made a mistake choosing Joe “The Binder” Girardi.
MTU August 18th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
What on Earth is going in here ?
Or maybe it is not of this Earth ?
Wow.
I leave for a couple of hours and all hell breaks lose.
Alien attack.
Run for your lives !
(I’d make one of those Rolls eyes deals But I don’t know how).
I must have made a wrong turn somewhere.
This is like the Twilight Zone.
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MTU,
Remember the movie “One flew over the cookoo’s nest?” That’s this place times 10 with a twist of the movie 28 days divided the movie animal house. The idiots on here are not making me go NO WHERE.
Too many good posters here ( Trish, Erin, Green Beret, Blake, LGY, Betsy, BD, ID, and many others.
MTU-I’m willing to bet that if Girardi could turn back the clock he’d file a protest. But he assumed that the umpires knew what they were talking about (since, you know, it’s their job).
I forget to add G.LOVE…
“But he assumed that the umpires knew what they were talking about ”
As an old miltary man, GB7 can probably tell you what happens when you assume…
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
Cashman on the Butler homer/missed call: “It’s just unfortunate. The basic premise is they have to know the ground rules. If they don’t know
the ground rules, they’re not in position to umpire the game.” Cashman added: “They tell us the ground rules. You have to know them.”
Cashman said the umpires told Mick Kelleher a homer had to clear the 2d fence on Mon, but “they didn’t make the right call on Wednesday.”
Cashman spoke to Peter Woodfork of MLB. “MLB told me they made a mistake, but there’s nothing they can do about it,” Cashman said.
Cashman theorized that it wouldn’t have mattered if Girardi filed a protest. “Those things never go anywhere,” Cashman said.
While Cashman said Yankees “gotta figure out a way to win the game, regardless,” said it’s frustrating 2 have 3d party play role in outcome
Cashman on DeMuth/umpiring crew: “If you don’t know the ground rules, you’re not able to do your job. You have to know the ground rules.”
Cashman planned to call Torre, Exec VP of bb ops and his former mgr, 2day. He knows call won’t be changed, but wanted to discuss it anyway
“”He said it’s clearly a home run,” Girardi said of DeMuth. “Maybe I erred. I believed the umpire.”
DeMuth declined comment on behalf of the umpires to a pool reporter, but after the game, all four members of the crew were led to the warning track by umpiring supervisor Steve Palermo to inspect the layout of the fences.
The discussion is likely to be procedural. Girardi said he believes he had to file a protest immediately, and since he did not, the Yankees’ loss would appear to be final.
“The reason I didn’t is because I believe”"”
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Girardi, maybe I err’ed ? MAYBE ?? YOU THINK?
IT also took Mo to explode and about to rush out to the umps before Joe left the dugout.. Joe has absolutely no fire in him at all NONE !! Dunno bout you, but I like a manager with fire.
this blog needs some serious moderation NOW….
Yes, by all means, let’s fire Girardi over this
Erin, elementary school has let out early.
If Girardi really cared about this team he would take some time out of his busy schedule to moderate this blog.
Erin-
I was reacting more to Cashman’s statement that because those thing never seem to go anywhere nothing should be done, or ever tried.
I am not saying that a hissy fit is appropriate but you certainly should encourage your Manager to do everything he can to win games.
And to show passion in doing so.
Sounds like Cashman rationalizing to me.
What ever happened to his new found candor ?
P.S. I do not dislike Joe Girardi. Same with Cashman.
Even Mo was upset. That ought to tell you something.
Girardi’s reaction was bloodless IMO.
GreenBeret7 August 18th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Erin, elementary school has let out early.
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LOL…apparently so.
Let’s say they had protested and won….would they replay the game? If so when?
A while ago (when there were still sane people making conversation) there was a question about whether the players would allow for hard slotting in the draft to be included in the next CBA.
One condition where I could possibly see it coming in is if it’s part of a deal where the league does away with draft pick compensation for free agents.
If the players don’t have to deal with watching their value decrease because teams don’t want to sacrifice draft picks for them then they might be willing to say “screw the draft picks” More likely though I think the players will be able to get the removal of pick compensation without having to give anything up – because Selig is just that awful.
sux lose pukelis to the 15 day DL according to espn.
I do NOT understand why it’s so damn hard to win a series vs. sux.
Rays just won it calmly, in fenway.
MTU,
You need some rationalization pipe
Blake, don’t they pick it back up at the time of the infraction? It would take a rule book to figure it out. If so, do they wipe out all of the hits/runs accumulated after that or do they stand?
OK Blake.
But here’s a hit off my scary pipe.
What if we wound up losing the division because of it ?
I know. Not gonna happen.
New Post w/lineup
GB,
Yea im not sure……hey the the umpires don’t have to know the rules why should we
Does Swisher get one high and tight for his hard slide on T Nish?
I’ll need another movie to watch, I guess. 3 hours and 15 minutes until game time.
“To Hell and Back” or a story of true love finds a way, “The Bride Of Frankenstein”, with Nurse Karloff playing the title role.
I’m not interested in discussing wars, or who is or isn’t using multiple screen names….All I want to know is when will we get to see Montero???
GB-
If they wouldn’t reverse a call that cost a kid a perfect game.
Why should they care about this.
I’m sure Joe Worst would have got it right, or at the very least he wouldn’t have taken so much time to review the play.
It’s amazing to me that blatant mistakes aren’t amended.