Andruw Jones: Always listen to your mother
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Aug 19, 2011 
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In the first game after the all-star break, Andruw Jones got the start in Toronto and went 2-for-3 with two home runs and four RBI. It was a flash of brilliance from a guy who’s job seemed to be in jeopardy through much of the first half.
Since the all-star break, Jones has hit .349/.481/.674, establishing himself as exactly the player the Yankees were hoping for when they signed him this offseason.
“Right after the all-star break, I went home and looked at old tape,” Jones said. “My mom called me and told me, ‘Hey, look at your old tapes.’”
Jones mother told him she didn’t like the way he was setting his legs in his stance. Seriously, she got that specific. Jones looked at tape from last year, and decide to go back to a more open stance.
“I kind of opened up a little bit and made an adjustment, trying to be more quiet and more on time,” Jones said. “And everything has been working out good since the all-star break… We went with closed (in spring training), and not getting consistent at-bats, it wasn’t working. So, I kind of opened up and trying to put my leg down and be ready for whatever pitch they throw me.”
It actually sounds a little bit like what Curtis Granderson did last year, creating a quieter swing that’s ready to attack.
Here’s Jones after last night’s game.
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Sometimes careers get resurrected on the Yanklees.
Must be the mystique and honor of playing for the team that represents baseball to the World.
“Since the all-star break, Jones has hit .349/.481/.674″
I guess we should add Jones to the LoHud, “they should be run out of town team” . . . Joining Derek Jeter and Nick Swisher.
I wouldn’t mind Jim Bowden as GM. He is very good on MLB Radio
m…still have the spinning wheel problem?
West Coast Yankee Fan August 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm e
“Since the all-star break, Jones has hit .349/.481/.674?
I guess we should add Jones to the LoHud, “they should be run out of town team” . . . Joining Derek Jeter and Nick Swisher.
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Don’t forget Mark Teixeira, Brett Gardner, Boone Logan, Curtis Granderson (first half last year) and Bartolo Colon (before he’d thrown a single pitch).
My guess is that Andruw’s mother also told him to always smile. Always.
who cares what drive by blowhard posters say in regard to who should come or go
all here have called for aj’s head among others, swisher was one of my dogs, at one time or another
its part of being a fan, short for fanatic.
we’re not gm’s.
A Jones is playing so much better right now. He is producing more then Posada at the moment.
And to think some of you “fans” wanted to toss Jones off the team about a month ago.
Shame on you!!
# comet August 19th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Blake if the new guy in Cub land cleans house maybe we can get a Soriano + lots of cash in exchange for AJ.
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where would soriano play? we don’t need another dh.
Chad Jennings August 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
West Coast Yankee Fan August 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm e
“Since the all-star break, Jones has hit .349/.481/.674?
I guess we should add Jones to the LoHud, “they should be run out of town team” . . . Joining Derek Jeter and Nick Swisher.
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Don’t forget Mark Teixeira, Brett Gardner, Boone Logan, Curtis Granderson (first half last year) and Bartolo Colon (before he’d thrown a single pitch).
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You could win a lot of games with that team. Oh wait, we have.
Don’t encourage him, Chad. It’s difficult enough to read him telling everyone how right he is about everything.
comet,
I can’t see a situation where they could deal for Soriano and not take on more money than they are letting go. The Cubs would want to clear his salary….not add more with AJ. I’d rather have AJ than Soriano I think anyway…JMO.
cash has become a master at claiming guys off the scrap heap
seems like they give more value for the buck than high-priced superstars
maybe credit some of this to Hal, who seems like the opposite of Dad and will have the core of the team being superstars but sees the value in the complimentary parts
I’d only trade AJ if I can save money
“…..all here have called for aj’s head”
Since I was part of the “give the players what they want and they want AJ” contingent, I’ve never called for AJs head.
I have occasionally muttered something at the TV and walked out of the room.
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Don’t encourage him, Chad. It’s difficult enough to read him telling everyone how right he is about everything.
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There you go again GB7. People trying to have a polite baseball conversation only to be interrupted by you slinging insults with no provocation. These are my opinions; I am wrong as often as I am right.
For those what were asking for Randy Choate to be the replacement lefty or another lefty out of the pen….forget it. He’s done for the year. Looks like Cashman doesn’t always listen.
the only way they trade aj is if they can replace him…blake, what staff in 2012 can you envision doing this?
maybe CC, Wilson, Hughes, Nova and ????
That’s hilarious. Mom always seems to know best.
There you go again GB7. People trying to have a polite baseball conversation only to be interrupted by you slinging insults with no provocation. These are my opinions; I am wrong as often as I am right.
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seems like the height of hypocrisy, doesn’t it?
Sorry, but, I can’t see Wilson as being a NY or Yankee type guy. Too much of a flake. He’s a better fit among his own kind.
He’s a better fit among his own kind.
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What kind would that be?
Wilson wants to get out of Texas, where most flakes are cut up and snorted
wilson’s going to want a 5 year deal, for say 80 million. that’s a lot to give a guy who may be nothing more than ted lily in a few years.
better to get someone else regret that contract and give noesi a chance
Looks like Nova will go this Sunday instead of Freddy.
This is a good thing.
4 days off should be the norm, let Freddy rest in reserve or DL him when Alex comes back.
With a day off next Monday, you can also skip Colon’s turn.
Now is the time to get Hughes and Nova on regular rest.
CC should take Colon’s turn vs Oak on Tuesday.
Wilson is going to make some second tier team happy.
next year is another transition year like this one with the big FA pitchers coming in 2013
Sorry, but, I can?t see Wilson as being a NY or Yankee type guy. Too much of a flake. He?s a better fit among his own kind
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Nick Swisher is one of the biggest flakes in baseball. He’s literally a screwball. Is he a non yankee type of guy too??
I think you can’t envision Wilson because of your own prejudice, not the Yankees.
greenberet7 returns and survives yesterday’s lohud thug ambush. good to see dude. maybe with chad patrolling the streets here some of the departed posters will return and the blog will resurrected from the ashes. hughes pitching tonight will fill the blog good and bad.
BTX August 19th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
I wouldn’t mind Jim Bowden as GM. He is very good on MLB Radio
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Given his role in the Dominican kick-back scandal I would say the odds of Bowden getting another GM job are only somewhere between the odds of Steve Phillips getting a GM job and Pete Rose getting another managerial job.
The problem is the second starter behind a re-signed Sabathia in 2012 in my opinion. Banuelos and Betances are not the answer short term, Burnett is not, Colon is not, Garcia is not, Nova is not and Hughes most likely is a three or four.
when it comes to prejudice, it’s very difficult to elaborate reasons why you think one way or another.
4 train…how far back do you go to remember the good ol days of Lohud?
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Sorry, but, I can’t see Wilson as being a NY or Yankee type guy. Too much of a flake. He’s a better fit among his own kind.
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What makes you think he’s a flake?
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Wilson is going to make some second tier team happy.
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You mean like Russell Martin is making the Yankees happy with his very good defense?
Will the real story about how Freddy injured his finger
ever be told???
Blake if the new guy in Cub land cleans house maybe we can get a Soriano + lots of cash in exchange for AJ.
What makes you think he’s a flake?
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These are tough questions and are seldom answered .
You mean like Russell Martin is making the Yankees happy with his very good defense?
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Add another to Cash’s list of scrap heap pickups.
He should get GM of the Year.
You mean like Russell Martin is making the Yankees happy with his very good defense?
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Do you mean league average defense? Whats the point of bringing this up? There is much more evidence against than for. Its literally an unwinnable argument unless you want to use some kind of appeal to authority that the Yankees must absolutely love Martin because they haven’t DFA’d him yet and Cashman said he was like Thurman Munson! (except Munson was way better)
Colon, Garcia, Martin, Chavez, Jones,Wade, amongst others…
Warning Track Power August 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Will the real story about how Freddy injured his finger
ever be told???
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Does it matter?
Warning Track Power August 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Will the real story about how Freddy injured his finger
ever be told???
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just chalk it up to another mystery in Yankeeland. Like AJ’s black eye last year.
Not to mention in any scenario where in I talk about Martin’s performance, I keep him as the starting catcher! Mind boggling bad attempt at trolling.
Soriano would DH next year. We wouldn’t clear cash in all probability but we could probably make it a wash. I don’t trust AJ. IMO he’s an albatross.
jimbaumbach In Roger Clemens case, prosecutors filed paperwork saying they “mistakenly” showed barred testimony and “vigorously opposed a mistrial.”
Not for nothing but…. Wilson spent part of the off season last year in NY so he might have friends/family here or like the place.
Not advocating him becoming a Yankee. Jusy sayin’.
Why would I have predjudices against Wilson. He’s a flake, along the lines of Eric Show and Jeff Weaver. Swisher is a Joe Pepitone type. Wilson’s act and public stands won’t play in that clubhouse or in NY. Nobody wants to hear it.
comet,
Albatross that you know vs. the albatross that you once knew.
Martin has handled the staff admirably, gained the respect of teammates (although that can’t be measured), and hit in the clutch. He has also been a great defensive catcher with a gun for an arm.
What more could you have asked for this year?
I know, Montero, but they have another way of looking at him, and since they have better access than we do, we will have to take their word for it.
Some people just can’t handle the truth I guess?
Not that I want to get bogged down in another Russ Martin debate but:
It really doesn’t matter whether you like him or not – whether the stats say he’s good or bad – the Yankees like him.
The pitchers like having him back there, Girardi likes having him back there, Cashman likes having him back there so back there he will stay. My guess is that he will be the primary catcher for the Yankees for at least the next two years.
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Soriano would DH next year.
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Isn;t that why they let him go, I know it was for Alex, but he had a major hole in his swing.
Martin has handled the staff admirably, gained the respect of teammates (although that can’t be measured), and hit in the clutch. He has also been a great defensive catcher with a gun for an arm.
What more could you have asked for this year?
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Hit in the clutch? He is hitting .239 with RISP and they’ve barely won against boston, so where are these clutch hits? He has a gun that misfires too much (8 errors, 66 sb allowed?) and doesn’t rank close enough to the elite catchers (lou marson, matt wieters) to make up for the offensive inefficiency. Yankees shouldn’t get sucked into a Jeff Mathis situation.
jimbaumbach Clemens argued gov’t baited them into mistrial because their case was crumbling. Gov’t says: “The government?s case was ? and is ? strong.”
jimbaumbach Gov’t: “The government?s error was a mistake, not misconduct, and certainly not misconduct intended to provoke a mistrial.” #clemens
Three years ago when Soriano could run, he might have been worth a look. That just isn’t the case anymore and they certainly couldn’t let him play defense any more.
Never heard about a hole in Soriano’s swing. It was his attitude and fielding I thought.
It really doesn’t matter whether you like him or not – whether the stats say he’s good or bad – the Yankees like him.
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Chip, it doesn’t matter what anyone on this blog thinks, including any of your trade proposals or anyones opinion on brett gardner being a 4th OFer or a starter or whatever. Cop out. No one is debating if the Yankees like Martin or like like Martin. Its the difference between what do you think the yankees should do and what WILL the yankees do.
RISP ? and what was the score at those times?
Isn’t there a better stat you could come up with?
soriano struck out way too much and had no plate discipline
RISP ? and what was the score at those times?
Isn’t there a better stat you could come up with?
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.200 late and close, .209 RISP 2 outs? He is having a poor offensive year.
Jerkface the truth is that you consistently demean Martin’s defensive abilities when any Yankee fan with eyes can see the value he has defensively and how good he is. And I think the Yankee staff would concur. The recent series with Kansas City was a good example as he was integral in shutting down their top-of-the-league running game.
I think Chad had it right when he opined:
“I’m not sure what there is to not like about him. He’s good at blocking balls in the dirt, the staff seems to love throwing to him, and — I haven’t looked at the numbers on this — but it seems to me that he’s done a pretty good job controlling the running game. I think he’s good back there.”
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Why would I have predjudices against Wilson. He’s a flake, along the lines of Eric Show and Jeff Weaver. Swisher is a Joe Pepitone type. Wilson’s act and public stands won’t play in that clubhouse or in NY. Nobody wants to hear it.
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I didn’t say you were prejudiced against Wilson – I asked where you get the idea he’s a flake from?
What act are you talking about? The only two things I’ve ever seen out of Wilson that weren’t by the book were when he said he hated Oakland (and detailed the reasons why) and then at one point last year when he was obviously fed up with the “How has Cliff Lee impacted you as a pitcher” questions and responded “Well before Lee got here I was a right handed second baseman”
As far as personalities go – I don’t know Wilson’s but I would assume that a clubhouse that can handle AJ, Alex, Swisher, and some of the others would be fine with Wilson.
That said, I have no interest in giving him a contract similar to what AJ got – 5 years and $88 for a 31 year old pitcher is just asking for trouble. I would much rather try to get a guy like Buehrle on a 2 year deal (though I fully anticipate him returning to Chicago)
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Some people just can?t handle the truth I guess?
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Day 2 of LoHud Presents: A Few Good Men?
Martin is also a leader. And yes I know that can’t be measured. He is in the tradition of Munson.
Again, can’t put a stat on that but it does exist.
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
It really doesn’t matter whether you like him or not – whether the stats say he’s good or bad – the Yankees like him.
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Chip, it doesn’t matter what anyone on this blog thinks, including any of your trade proposals or anyones opinion on brett gardner being a 4th OFer or a starter or whatever. Cop out. No one is debating if the Yankees like Martin or like like Martin. Its the difference between what do you think the yankees should do and what WILL the yankees do.
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Well in that case:
What the Yankees should do: Offer Martin a 2 year deal at $4 mil/year. That covers his upcoming arbitration year and the year after and isn’t so much money that the Yankees would be hamstrung to keep him in a primary role if Montero/Romine show they deserve the starting job.
I didn’t say you were prejudiced against Wilson – I asked where you get the idea he’s a flake from?
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Unless your secret identity is Howard, I guess I wasn’t responding to you, was I?
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
I didn’t say you were prejudiced against Wilson – I asked where you get the idea he’s a flake from?
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Unless your secret identity is Howard, I guess I wasn’t responding to you, was I?
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Didn’t see Howard’s post to you.
I just love cyber-tough guys like you though. It always is a good laugh.
Warning Track Power August 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Will the real story about how Freddy injured his finger
ever be told???
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The truth is that Ivan Nova snuck into Freddie’s hotel room one night and took a Swiss Army Knife to Freddie’s index finger. Nova will do ANYTHING to avoid being sent down to Scranton.
JF-
You could convince me Martin isn’t a great hitter without much trouble, but, while he’s not Matt Wieters, I don’t see the argument that Martin isn’t a solid defensive catcher. Can you point to some numbers?
Here we go…secret identitites again.
He’s not a flake. He has a personality. The clubhouse can handle him the same way it handles all the other personalities.
Chip, do you remember Archie Bunker? He reminds me of someone here.
Somehow, I don’t think the Yankees will appreciate Wilson driving in car races, either.
“Wilson’s pitching repertoire includes a fastball, hard sinker, slider, and changeup, thrown from both overhand and low 3/4 arm angles. Wilson has also confirmed on his MySpace blog that he throws the gyroball, a pitch used by some Japanese pitchers and frequently attributed to Boston Red Sox starter Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Personal life and beliefsWilson is a devoted Taoist and adheres to a “Straight Edge” way of life (abstaining from alcohol, illegal drugs, and promiscuous sex in order to maintain health). As a sign of his choice of being Straight Edge, Wilson has the words “Straight Edge” tattooed along the length of his torso, Japanese characters on his shoulder that read “Poison Free” and “XXX” stitched on his blue glove as a straight edge symbol. The blue glove is itself unusual among baseball players (who generally wear a traditional brown-colored glove). Wilson wears the blue glove when the Rangers wear their blue uniforms (or their road grey uniforms); he also has a similarly-decorated red glove when pitching in games where the Rangers wear their alternate red uniforms.
Wilson is highly interested in politics, which he said is in stark contrast to other Major League baseball players in an interview with ESPN.com’s Page 2. His characterizations of typical ballplayers in this same interview and some of his posts on the blog lonestarball.com generated minor controversy within the Rangers’ clubhouse.”
Chip has got to be way too young to remember Archie Bunker.
Jerkface the truth is that you consistently demean Martin’s defensive abilities when any Yankee fan with eyes can see the value he has defensively and how good he is.
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Martin has been a pretty incredible dead weight on offense since May and his defense, while good, is not extraordinary enough to justify the amount of playing time he gets. I think he and the Yankees would benefit from more rest, as maybe that would allow him to impact each game he is in more. And I was very happy that Martin threw out Jeff Francouer twice and Giavotella once, but neither is a real basestealer. Frenchy had never been in double digits ever and Giavotella had 58 total in 4 minor league seasons. The Royals don’t really have a big time SB guy, they have a number of guys that have 15-19 SB each.
The current Yankee catcher tandem is too glove heavy, they need a good hitting catcher to balance it out. The Yankees won rings with Jorge Posada not Jose Molina. (though technically jose molina did win a ring :> )
jpb
I was guessing that AJ was somehow involved…perhaps he got Freddie to help make pie
Wilson sounds like a straight laced guy.
Why is he a flake?
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Chip has got to be way too young to remember Archie Bunker.
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Re-runs my man…re-runs
Personality or not, is Wilson worth 80 mil for five years? Not in my opinion, especially with what’s in the pipelin.
“Martin has been a pretty incredible dead weight on offense since May and his defense, while good, is not extraordinary enough to justify the amount of playing time he gets.”
So what does that lead you to conclude about the Yanks’ views on Montero?
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Somehow, I don’t think the Yankees will appreciate Wilson driving in car races, either.
“Wilson’s pitching repertoire includes a fastball, hard sinker, slider, and changeup, thrown from both overhand and low 3/4 arm angles. Wilson has also confirmed on his MySpace blog that he throws the gyroball, a pitch used by some Japanese pitchers and frequently attributed to Boston Red Sox starter Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Personal life and beliefsWilson is a devoted Taoist and adheres to a “Straight Edge” way of life (abstaining from alcohol, illegal drugs, and promiscuous sex in order to maintain health). As a sign of his choice of being Straight Edge, Wilson has the words “Straight Edge” tattooed along the length of his torso, Japanese characters on his shoulder that read “Poison Free” and “XXX” stitched on his blue glove as a straight edge symbol. The blue glove is itself unusual among baseball players (who generally wear a traditional brown-colored glove). Wilson wears the blue glove when the Rangers wear their blue uniforms (or their road grey uniforms); he also has a similarly-decorated red glove when pitching in games where the Rangers wear their alternate red uniforms.
Wilson is highly interested in politics, which he said is in stark contrast to other Major League baseball players in an interview with ESPN.com’s Page 2. His characterizations of typical ballplayers in this same interview and some of his posts on the blog lonestarball.com generated minor controversy within the Rangers’ clubhouse.”
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So because Wilson doesn’t drink or do drugs, wears different colored gloves and is into politics he wouldn’t be tolerated in the Yankee organization?
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Chip has got to be way too young to remember Archie Bunker.
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All in the Family was well before my time, but who’s not familiar with Archie Bunker?
When I think flake i think Bill Lee.
Mark “Bird” Fydrych.
Not bad pitchers.
Martin as a catcher has a .989 fld%, compared to a league average of .992%. He only has 3 passed balls, I’d guess that is good. He has thrown out 32% of base stealers, that’s about average. The stats are the stats and your eyes don’t change them. He is a decent catcher defensively who blocks balls fairly well, knows how to play the position and plays hard. He seems to be at least decent at calling a game and working with pitchers.
Offensively he has a 86 OPS+, which is nearly exactly the same as the previous two years. He has been below average offensively when compared to all hitters, probably a little better when compared to just catchers.
No need to romanticize or pretend your a pro scout that can see things others can’t.
You could convince me Martin isn’t a great hitter without much trouble, but, while he’s not Matt Wieters, I don’t see the argument that Martin isn’t a solid defensive catcher. Can you point to some numbers?
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Martin is a solid defensive catcher, I merely posit that he is not elite or top tier enough to make up for his lack of offense, atleast not at his current playing rate. He is near the top of the league in errors, he is around league average in CS%. Basically, if he is going to hit .200 he should be Lou Marson or Matt Wieters. I think he should be playing like 2 games less per week at his current rate.
They had essentially the same guy when Jose Molina took over in 2008 after Posada’s injury.
Archie Bunker had a good heart, but he carried the burden of society’s preconceptions. The tension made the show work.
Let’s see…..since Martin seems to be the hot topic today, this means he’s going to have a big game tonight, right?
Leave GB alone, he’s about to take a nap.
He’s good with platitudes and putdowns but not much depth after that.
He certainly won’t dignify any intelligent retorts to his many outlashes.
“They had essentially the same guy when Jose Molina took over in 2008 after Posada’s injury.”
I haven’t looked it up but surely Martin is a better hitter than Molina was.
His splitOPS as a catcher is 100. He is league average exactly as a catcher. I think overall he is pretty much league average for the position, but I like the Yankee way of being above average up the middle. Isn’t that why everyone loves Posada, Jeter, and Bernie? And now Cano?
*you’re, not your
Jose Molina 2008: .216 .263 .313 .576
Russ Martin since May 1st: .206 .299 .319 .618
Wilson is highly interested in politics, which he said is in stark contrast to other Major League baseball players in an interview with ESPN.com’s Page 2. His characterizations of typical ballplayers in this same interview and some of his posts on the blog lonestarball.com generated minor controversy within the Rangers’ clubhouse.”
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So because Wilson doesn’t drink or do drugs, wears different colored gloves and is into politics he wouldn’t be tolerated in the Yankee organization?
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That last paragraph will not fly in that clubhouse.
I’d love to see them try to recreate an Archie Bunker character today.
Good luck with that.
That show was funny but today , in this PC world, wouldn’t be allowed.
Somehow “XXX” does not strike me as a good symbol for “straight edge”.
Politics are not allowed in Yankeeland?
Did not know that…
GB7 is of course, a leader in the Yankee clubhouse and knows what does and does not fly.
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Wilson is highly interested in politics, which he said is in stark contrast to other Major League baseball players in an interview with ESPN.com’s Page 2. His characterizations of typical ballplayers in this same interview and some of his posts on the blog lonestarball.com generated minor controversy within the Rangers’ clubhouse.”
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So because Wilson doesn’t drink or do drugs, wears different colored gloves and is into politics he wouldn’t be tolerated in the Yankee organization?
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That last paragraph will not fly in that clubhouse.
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So because of one interview he wouldn’t fit with the Yankees? Seems like I can think of another ball player who gave a controversial interview once-upon-a-time and the Yankees had no problem picking him up.
GB7 is of course, a leader in the Yankee clubhouse and knows what does and does not fly.
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GB7 is of course, a fly in the Yankee clubhouse and knows he is not a leader.
Mind you, none of this is to say that I want the Yankees to sign CJ Wilson – but it certainly has nothing to do with a concern over him fitting in with the club.
I’m just curious how not being into drugs and alcohol and being into politics makes one a “flake”
jerkface thinks he knows baseball because he runs spreadsheets all day. jerkface likes slow pitch sunday softball games too. you bark loud dude but you ain’t got no bite. teams don’t just steal on the yankees anymore and this is with pitchers who do a bad job holding runners. get a clue dude.
eboland11 Another early day for A-Rod. right now working in OF with strength and conditioning coach @danacavalea.
Wilson’s stats look suspiciously like AJ’s in his free agent year, except AJ was in the AL East.
I’m just curious how not being into drugs and alcohol and being into politics makes one a “flake”
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Tough question>one that would require a thoughtful answer.
Not happening.
Archie Bunker > Al Bundy
Can we please save the off-season talk ’til, you know….the off-season? Please??
“teams don’t just steal on the yankees anymore”
I don’t dislike Martin’s defense but 66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.
Al Bundy was a long time ago.
He got in before political correctness reared its ugly head.
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
“teams don’t just steal on the yankees anymore”
I don’t dislike Martin’s defense but 66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.
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Catches 32% of runners – I don’t know where that ranks in comparison with others in the league but it ain’t bad.
mick August 19th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Al Bundy was a long time ago.
He got in before political correctness reared its ugly head.
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Well yes that’s true – but he still came some 15 years after Archie Bunker.
Mick there are plenty of shows out there that are not PC at all…Always Sunny in Philadelphia, South Park, Better Off Ted, just a few that come to mind.
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Warning Track Power August 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Will the real story about how Freddy injured his finger
ever be told???
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just chalk it up to another mystery in Yankeeland. Like AJ’s black eye last year.
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Guess we have to wait for the book to read the factual story.
AJ’s black eye-Thanks for the reminder.
That makes two mysteries in two years. Not bad for a 1st place team, LOL!!
“Catches 32% of runners – I don’t know where that ranks in comparison with others in the league but it ain’t bad.”
I suspect that makes him solidly average. My recollection is that historically catchers throw out runners about a third of the time.
Al Bundy was way more sexist than Archie Bunker.
While they both treated their wives old school, Al’s eye wandered while Archie was true blue.
(except for that one fling with the waitress, she played Kramer’s mother)
Is GB7 off pouting somewhere?
Kate,
Yes, but they’re not on the over the air networks anymore.
Kate
Agree on South Park but that’s a cartoon.
Too busy watching Yankee games to watch the other sitcoms.
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
“teams don’t just steal on the yankees anymore”
I don’t dislike Martin’s defense but 66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.
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And that has nothing to do with the pitchers, correct?
BronXoo J.R. AJ Burnett’s blonde hair & longish nostrils warrant a certain Mike Judge character comparison on @RiverAveBlues: http://t.co/3hW8iEO
““Catches 32% of runners – I don’t know where that ranks in comparison with others in the league but it ain’t bad.””
Just looked it up. AL average is 29% this year, NL 27%.
YankeesWFAN ARod on the field taking grounders. http://t.co/sIGfKlG
Archie was the original.
All in the Family and Seinfeld are the 2 best comedys ever made.
Bundy and his family weren’t even funny.
“And that has nothing to do with the pitchers, correct?”
Did I say that?
Is GB7 off pouting somewhere?
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He won’t lower himself.
Most of the non PC shows are cartoons.
Family Guy and their spinoffs.
Who is bad at holding runners? CC is good and Colon is very good (quick to the plate). So Hughes, Nova, Garcia and AJ have combined to be terrrible at holding runners to offset CC and Colon? I’m not buying it.
Martin has a decent/good arm, he stops other teams from running wild. But he is not “great”.
The Simpsons.
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
“And that has nothing to do with the pitchers, correct?”
Did I say that?
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You said, “….66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.”
I am pointing out that bases are often stolen on the pitcher, which you didn’t mention, and thyat sometimes it takes a quick and accurate throw by the catcher to make up for that.
No doubt Martin isn’t a long term solution, in fact, he might make a good BUC for Montero someday.
BloggingBombers The Yankees claimed LHP Aaron Laffey off waivers from the Mariners and DFA’d C Gustavo Molina. Laffey will join the Yankees in MIN tomorrow.
Best comedies of all times IMO, not in any particular order:
Seinfeld
All In The Family
Mash
Curb Your Enthusiasm
LoHud Blog
who is this laffey you speak of?
“You said, “….66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.”
I am pointing out that bases are often stolen on the pitcher, which you didn’t mention, and thyat sometimes it takes a quick and accurate throw by the catcher to make up for that.”
Did you even read the comment I was responding to, or were you just anxious to sound off?
LOhud is def not PC.
laffey walks a lot of batters
means 2 guys must go when alex returns
noesi and freddy?
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
BloggingBombers The Yankees claimed LHP Aaron Laffey off waivers from the Mariners and DFA’d C Gustavo Molina. Laffey will join the Yankees in MIN tomorrow.
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Sounds like a precursor to bringing up Montero and moving Romine to Scranton or activating PJ Pilittere again. Pilittere is the designated DL guy. Rodriguez gets activated and Noesi goes down or Garcia to the DL.
pcaldera A-Rod taking BP here at lonely Target Field after being put through the paces in the field with Girardi and the coaching staff.
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
“You said, “….66 bases have been stolen against him, 6th most in the major leagues.”
I am pointing out that bases are often stolen on the pitcher, which you didn’t mention, and thyat sometimes it takes a quick and accurate throw by the catcher to make up for that.”
Did you even read the comment I was responding to, or were you just anxious to sound off?
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I read the thread; pointing out the invalidity IMO of assigning the responsibility for a SB to a catcher alone.
who goes down for laffey?
mick dude. montero isn’t going to live up to your expectations with the glove and arm. he’s a hitter who can catch. at least that is what they write about him
Noesi goes down ***and*** Garcia to the DL.
And Darwin Barney puts a bicuit in the basket for the Cubs.
teixeiramark25 On my way to Target Field…one of my favorite road stadiums in baseball. It is beautiful! What are your favorites (outside the Bronx)?
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
BloggingBombers The Yankees claimed LHP Aaron Laffey off waivers from the Mariners and DFA’d C Gustavo Molina. Laffey will join the Yankees in MIN tomorrow.
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I’m not sure what the point of Laffey is other than that they get another LHP that they can take a look at prior to the playoffs if something happens to Logan.
So now the Yankees have to make two roster moves. Create space on the 25 for Laffey and for Alex. My guess – Garcia to the DL, Noesi to AAA. Garcia off the DL and Nova to AAA until 9/1.
There is no need for Garcia BUT we need a 6th starter next weekend in Balt.
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
teixeiramark25 On my way to Target Field…one of my favorite road stadiums in baseball. It is beautiful! What are your favorites (outside the Bronx)?
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Do they play major league baseball outside of the Bronx?
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
BloggingBombers The Yankees claimed LHP Aaron Laffey off waivers from the Mariners and DFA’d C Gustavo Molina. Laffey will join the Yankees in MIN tomorrow.
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Sounds like a precursor to bringing up Montero and moving Romine to Scranton or activating PJ Pilittere again. Pilittere is the designated DL guy. Rodriguez gets activated and Noesi goes down or Garcia to the DL.
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What?
DFA’ing Molina is meaningless to calling up Montero. If anything it makes it less likely that the Yankees will call up Montero. By cutting Molina you remove the guy Montero would most easily replace on the 40 man roster – not that there aren’t other options (Buddy Carlyle for example)
Also, the Yankees likely didn’t bring Laffey in just to release him in a couple of days which means that the Yankees need to find space for two players on the 25 man roster which is hard enough – finding space for a third would be down right daunting.
mick
That show was funny but today , in this PC world, wouldn’t be allowed.
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Have you listened to Larry the Cable Guy?
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Do they play major league baseball outside of the Bronx?
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Not that I’m aware of.
“I read the thread; pointing out the invalidity IMO of assigning the responsibility for a SB to a catcher alone.”
Sigh. I’ll replay the thread. 4 train said “”teams don’t just steal on the yankees anymore and this is with pitchers who do a bad job holding runners.”
So I pointed out that Martin had allowed 66 stolen bases, in reply to 4 train’s assertion that teams don’t steal on the Yanks. (Now I don’t know if you noticed this, but 4 train already mentioned the pitchers so I don’t think anyone was ignoring the pitchers).
Nuff said, let’s all just try to focus a little harder in the future.
Carlyle has already been released. Molina was the only other catcher in the system with ML experience. The Yanks have 4 guys on the 40 man roster that could be moved to the 60 day DL. Moving Garrison off of the 40 man is another option.
eboland11 After taking BP, A-Rod now working on running first to third. said yesterday running, conditioning, etc. would be last things to come
Martin can’t hit but I like him behind the plate. He has to block all of AJ’s pitches in the dirt and there are plenty of them. AJ also does not do a good job of holding runners on. So Martin does a good job behind the plate.
What?
DFA?ing Molina is meaningless to calling up Montero. If anything it makes it less likely that the Yankees will call up Montero. By cutting Molina you remove the guy Montero would most easily replace on the 40 man roster ? not that there aren?t other options (Buddy Carlyle for example)
Also, the Yankees likely didn?t bring Laffey in just to release him in a couple of days which means that the Yankees need to find space for two players on the 25 man roster which is hard enough ? finding space for a third would be down right daunting.
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Exactly.
Laffey to the pen as a 2nd LOOGY ???
CJ Wilson would probably want a relatively long contract.
I don’t think the Yankees would be interested in giving him one.
2013 could be a very good year for FA’s. Eyes could be on that.
Also, the young ones might be ready then.
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Carlyle has already been released. Molina was the only other catcher in the system with ML experience. The Yanks have 4 guys on the 40 man roster that could be moved to the 60 day DL. Moving Garrison off of the 40 man is another option.
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You’re correct on Carlyle – my mistake.
And just because they DFA’d Molina doesn’t mean he’s out of the organization – if he clears waivers he can be outrighted to AAA – just not on the 40
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Do they play major league baseball outside of the Bronx?
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Not that I’m aware of.
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They do have a ML park on the north side of “Old Town” but a minor league team plays there.
gb just woke up from another nap, leave him be.
“There is no need for Garcia BUT we need a 6th starter next weekend in Balt.”
Garcia goes on the DL, retroactive to his last start, making him eligible to come off before the Baltimore series.
mtu
you and i should write fortune cookies.
JackCurryYES A-Rod ran from 1st to 3d several times at Target Field. Looked like he really pushed self. Also looked like guy trying to get in lineup Sat
MTU August 19th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Laffey to the pen as a 2nd LOOGY ???
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His splits don’t really indicate any great success rate against LHB. I think just a young (26) live arm that the Yankees want to take a look at – he can start in a pinch too.
Always liked Walter Matthau.
He was great in the Fortune Cookie.
No need to do a re-write.
Sort. Choppy. Sentences.
2013 could be a very good year for FA’s. Eyes could be on that.
Also, the young ones might be ready then.
GreenBeret7 August 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Noesi goes down ***and*** Garcia to the DL.
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All well and good – but then Garcia has to come off the DL at somepoint – likely in time to pitch in the double header…whom do you remove then?
Chip-
So what was the point ?
As things stand, CC is the only reliable pitcher on this staff. If the Yankees make it to the World Series against Philly, they will lose. Yanks cannot match up starters against them.
one from column A.
one from column B.
cash just looking for lefty lightnin in a bottle
its his M.O. this year
aaron small i mean laffey
When ARod comes off the DL, they send Laffey down, but have the option of adding a second lefty to the post-season roster?
Series against Philly,
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watch out for braves
MTU August 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Chip-
So what was the point ?
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I haven’t the foggiest – probably the same as picking up guys like Marquez, Proctor and Mitre – you can never have too much pitching.
Laffey is young (26), I seem to remember him throwing relatively hard – maybe Rothschild works with him for a little bit and you’ve got another option to throw into the mix for next year?
second lefty
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banuelos?
This is not a good sign for this game
YankeesPR mark your calendars…#Yankees-Red Sox game on Sept 24 has been picked up by FOX, 4:10 p.m. first pitch
GB7
I read a story in the latest Readers Digest about one of the Seal Team Six.
I can’t imagine going through the training for that.
The one that told his story lives in Jesup, Georgia.
eboland11 Laffey, who will join team here tomorrow, was 1-1 with a 4.01 ERA in 36 games with the Mariners. Righties hit .343 off him, lefties .250
#Yankees-Red Sox game on Sept 24 has been picked up by FOX,
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Fux Joe Buck
Wave Your Hat August 19th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
When ARod comes off the DL, they send Laffey down, but have the option of adding a second lefty to the post-season roster?
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I could be wrong, but I don’t believe you can send a player claimed on waivers to the minors without putting him back on waivers first.
My guess is that when Alex comes off the DL they send Noesi down and then when Garcia comes off the DL they send Nova down for the week.
Milwaukee will be tough, especially in a short series….
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
This is not a good sign for this game
YankeesPR mark your calendars…#Yankees-Red Sox game on Sept 24 has been picked up by FOX, 4:10 p.m. first pitch
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They want to get in on the Pedroia hop.
As things stand, CC is the only reliable pitcher on this staff. If the Yankees make it to the World Series against Philly, they will lose. Yanks cannot match up starters against them
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Every team can say this about every other team. NY can pound pitchers and outscore teams. So can Boston. So can Texas. SF can outpitch anyone on any given day. Philly can lay down and die, as can any of the teams just mentioned, or they could outpitch anyone. Every team has 2 starters capable of shutting down other teams. Boston does, NY does (maybe…depending on who steps up), Philly does, SF does.
It’s going to come down to who handles the pitching better.
PS – CC hasn’t been “reliable” at all against playoff teams, FYI.
Compare Martin to Lou Marson or Matt Wieters, true elite catchers. I’d like him to hit more if he isn’t going to be Lou Marson. I’m sure everyone likes Lou Marson in the clubhouse, and he won’t grow a bad moustache.
MaineYankee August 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
They want to get in on the Pedroia hop.
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The Aaron Laffey train derailed pretty quickly in seattle.
He had a 1 ERA up until he remembered he was Aaron Laffey.
Jerkface-we don’t speak of the mustache anymore.
MaineYankee August 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
GB7
I read a story in the latest Readers Digest about one of the Seal Team Six.
I can’t imagine going through the training for that.
The one that told his story lives in Jesup, Georgia.
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Jesup is about 45 miles from me. That’s a training period that I’d never want to go through. For one thing, I don’t swim that well. Really supriised that the guy would give do an interview with his hometown mentioned. Those guys take a beating from the first day of training until the last. and then, they get tough with them. SF training camp is brutal, but, it’s a cakewalk in comparison.
JackCurryYES With Hendry being fired as Cubs GM, speculation has already begun about Cashman, who is in final yr with Yanks, as replacement. He dashed it
MY, GB7,
Saw some of these guys in action, even back in the day, and I didn’t want any part of it.
JackCurryYES Cashman on his future: “I have a job I’m doing. Hal will evaluate that at the end of the year. My interest is to stay here.”
“He dashed it”
Good.
greenberet7….is your old outfit ( greenberets ) considered special forces. i don’t know dude but i always thought they were like the first of their kind. bad dudes
JackCurryYES More Cashman on his future with Yankees. He noted that NY “has been home for quite some time” and that’s relationship he’d like to continue
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
JackCurryYES Cashman on his future: “I have a job I’m doing. Hal will evaluate that at the end of the year. My interest is to stay here.”
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I don’t want to call Curry an idiot because he can only report on what he’s told but come on…
Do any of us really expect Cashman to say anything other than that? I mean if he were to say “hell yes Jack, of course I’m interested in the Cub job” well that would be pretty dumb right?
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Compare Martin to Lou Marson or Matt Wieters, true elite catchers. I’d like him to hit more if he isn’t going to be Lou Marson. I’m sure everyone likes Lou Marson in the clubhouse, and he won’t grow a bad moustache.
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Why would you want to compare them?
Tony Peña says on the Michael Kay show that there are worse catchers in the Major League than Jesus Montero.
Chip-but why in the world would he want to take a job as Cubs GM after he’s been with the Yankees for so long? Talk about taking a huge step down.
“Martin has been a pretty incredible dead weight on offense since May and his defense, while good, is not extraordinary enough to justify the amount of playing time he gets.”
“So what does that lead you to conclude about the Yanks’ views on Montero?”
Can I have a try at this? I’m guessing that they view Montero as a 21 year old who needed — and maybe still needs — more reps and seasoning before coming up to the Bronx. If there was something they were looking for from him to warrant/demand a callup earlier in the season, they didn’t see it.
That doesn’t mean they’re dissapointed in him or have written him out of future plans. Just that his level of exerience and performance to date didn’t force them to bring him up.
It could also mean that they considered trading him up until the deadline and still might over the winter.
As for Martin, his hot April aside, what we’re seeing from him now might be pretty close to what they expected from him. Maybe a little worse than what they hoped for over the course of the season.
But I don’t think you can conclude a whole lot about how they view Montero in the long run based on their sticking with Martin.
JackCurryYES Laffey gives Yanks another LH in pen. When rosters expand, Valdes will be 3d lefty. Cashman said it gives Girardi “inventory” for matchups
Nick-cannot tell you how hard I laughed at your question to Chad earlier.
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Chip-but why in the world would he want to take a job as Cubs GM after he’s been with the Yankees for so long? Talk about taking a huge step down.
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LOL
Seriously though – if you’re Cashman can you think of a better challenge – getting the Cubbies a world series trophy!
Chicago’s a great city
Ricketts is willing to spend
They have a good farm system
Some good talent already in the majors
Only two major headaches (Soriano’s contract and Carlos Zambrano)
and no Randy Levine.
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
JackCurryYES Laffey gives Yanks another LH in pen. When rosters expand, Valdes will be 3d lefty. Cashman said it gives Girardi “inventory” for matchups
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Great – get ready for 5 hour games as Joe plays match up down the stretch.
I’ve heard it said here that Hal and Cash are like Batman and Robin.
The person who said it claimed inside knowledge of the Yankee org.
Make what you will of it.
Chip-I guess it’s possible, but it’s still a longshot IMO. I still think Cashman will be back next year.
Why would you want to compare them?
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So that you can understand the strata of catchers.
‘Tony Peña says on the Michael Kay show that there are worse catchers in the Major League than Jesus Montero’.
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Excellent, perhaps Pena should bring his insight to Cashman to review.
MTU August 19th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
I?ve heard it said here that Hal and Cash are like Batman and Robin.
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Do they ride around in the Batmobile? ‘Cause that’d be awesome. :0
Thank you, Erin, glad you enjoyed it.
I had another question related to Jorge and the 20th anniversary of the failed anti-Gorbachev coup attempted by the hardline Soviet old guard, but that one didn’t make the cut.
Erin-
I would assume so.
But theirs is probably a Bentley.
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Why would you want to compare them?
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So that you can understand the strata of catchers.
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It appears that I understand them far better than you do.
scrap heave players have worked for us this year: Chavez, Jones, Colon, Garcia, Wade. Worth a shot and if it doesnt work out, there are less than 2 weeks until September 1, where we may get some more help for the bullpen, not that they are really overworked or anything…
Tony Peña says on the Michael Kay show that there are worse catchers in the Major League than Jesus Montero?.
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What else would he say?
Is Laffey a good pickup?? I don’t know if he’s better than boone?
It appears that I understand them far better than you do.
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Nothing you’ve said has indicated this.
Nick-too bad.
Erin August 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
JackCurryYES With Hendry being fired as Cubs GM, speculation has already begun about Cashman, who is in final yr with Yanks, as replacement. He dashed it
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Cashman is staying. Wouldn’t like to see the Cubs hire Assistant G.M. Ben Cherington from Boston. That would just another Boston trade pipeline just like Jed Hoyer is for San Diego.
Andrew Friedman of the Rays is a possibility for the Cubs.
Accord-
He’s in addition to Logan. Not a replacement for him.
GB7
The story is in the Sept. Readers Digest if you want to read it.
I would think they would have trouble transitioning into normal live when they are done.
It’s amazing how somebody that’s so full of himself would still have room to be so full of BS.
Thanks, Maine. I’ll pick up a copy to read it. sounds like an interesting read.
Was it really necessary to add a marginal at best second LHRP with 2 weeks until the Sept. call up period ? At that time they could call up one of their own prospects (Manny or Pendleton), after all the pen has been very good recently.
Jerkface August 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
It appears that I understand them far better than you do.
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Nothing you’ve said has indicated this.
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Quite to the contrary. You see things only through the prism of statistical analysis which is indelibly flawed. You don’t really understand the game, and you have continually proved this by decrying the defensive prowess of Russell Martin. It doesn’t have any relevance at all what Matt Wieters does in the non-Yankee universe.
You also fail to understand that Martin’s value is not defined on this team by how well he hits. That’s not why he is here.
MY,
The link didn’t come through. There’s a great deal of difference when you decision and your team don’t come to fruition between winning the pennant and life or death.
Maine-
A while back one of the cable channels did a special on SEAL training.
They followed a series of candidates from start to finish.
The washout rate was incredible.
It was way more than just about physical toughness.
The grit required to succeed was just amazing.
New Post: A lineup and a lefty
In response to an earlier question, Baseball-Reference indicates that the caught stealing % for the last 3 years has hovered at 28%. I guess Martin is somewhat above that average this year at 32%. And I doubt that factors in how poor some Yankee pitchers are at holding runners. (Where’s Andy when you need him?)
http://www.baseball-reference......ield.shtml
MTU
The ability to reach inside oneself to succeed as a seal is beyond comprehension.
MTU, was that The Military Channel?
GB-
I am not sure as it was a while ago but I think it might have been the History Channel, or maybe the Discovery Channel.
We don’t get the Military Channel as part of our package.
maine, really, i’s the same way with any part of the military. As much as having a family to look forward too, they may get the worst part of military life. Probably my only regret with that life. at times, it gets nerly impossible to trust anybody besides “TEAM”. That alone will kill a marriage when your wife/husband wants to help by talking about things and you either can’t or won’t because you don’t know how. Multiply that times 100 for Special OPs guys.
GB7
Just reading that story gives a glimps of what it could do to your personal life.
GB7
Again I thank you for the sacrifices you made.
NTU, Discovery channel is possible. I think The Military Channel is part of the same network…like History Channel and A&E.
For me the whole point of the SEAL training was to weed out those who would quit.
Some quit from sheer physical exhaustion, others from mental exhaustion.
The object being that they want someone who would never quit on the mission. No matter what.
Singlemindeness of purpose against any and all odds.
MaineYankee August 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
GB7
Again I thank you for the sacrifices you made.
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Not really a sacrifice, except that they’d take me to town and I’d lose my virtue…over and over and over. They were also educational. Where else besides prison could you learn to roll your own cigarettes?
Montero will catch in the big leagues…..and be fine at it. I believe that, I’ve seen him catch at least 100 games and he’s not that bad……he’s not great but he’s not nearly as bad as you hear written from what I’ve seen. A lot depend on how bad he wants it and how he keeps himself in shape.
Same here GB.
Blake-
If you say so that’s good enough for me.
I’m movin’ on over to the other thread ==>
Montero’s biggest defensive issue may be at being a little weak/slow with the glove to the barehand side of pitches. Not the guy you want catching Burnett.
One last thing before I go.
If you guys dig survival shows please check out ‘Man vs. Wild” on cable.
The guy who does the show is named Bear Grylls and he’s a former Royal Marine.
He goes thru some really cool stuff. Lot’s of good survival tips.