“Nothing he does really surprises me any more”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 22, 2011 
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I’m not sure whether there’s an unofficial date when we’re all supposed to start debating the MVP candidates, but the last off day before September call-ups seems to be as good as any.
For the Yankees, that means Curtis Granderson, whose all around game — power, speed, defense at a premium position — has him featured prominently in that discussion.
Alex Rodriguez knows first-hand what an MVP season looks like.
“There’s no question,” Rodriguez said. “When people compare him to other players, you can’t forget that he’s a center fielder and he’s playing a high-quality defense out there. He’s scoring a bunch of runs and RBIs. Those are the two most important stats in baseball. He’s helping a first-place team do what we’re doing. In my mind, he’s the MVP.”
Joe Girardi has been the manager plugging Granderson into the lineup every day.
“Nothing he does really surprises me any more,” Girardi said. “You just kind of expect him to do something great every day. Whether he’s facing a left-hander or a right-hander, you know that he’s going to put good at-bats, and he’s extremely dangerous.”
Granderson is the 30-year-old moving quickly among the game’s elite.
“It’s interesting how some of the stuff kind of takes shape,” Granderson said. “At the same time, the main thing each day is trying to do anything I can at any point, whether it be a sac bunt, hit-and-run, defense, steal a base, drive the baseball, to help this team win a ball game. And we’re trying to win as many as we can. The focus on that one as the most important game, like today was. Tomorrow’s an off day, much needed, and we come back to the park on Tuesday and our job mentally is going to be to get ourselves ready to help this team win, no matter how it happens to be.”
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LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am
If they trade Montero they better sign Thome to DH!!
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My guess – now that he’s hit 600 Thome will retire at the end of the year.
Grandy for Prez!
The Grandyman for MVP
Yankees With his 592nd save, Mariano Rivera is nine saves behind Trevor Hoffman for the all-time lead … http://t.co/JqudpF2 #
If only there was a way to swap AJ for Wandy…that I’d do…but otherwise, no need for him.
The Grandy Man can!
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yankeefeminista August 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 am
randy, and for the saber crowd, Jeter has a 18.6% LD (line drive %) vs. righties. But not surprised at all by that.
I think Cashman has made it clear he’s not interested in dealing Montero, Betances and/or Banuelos for anything less than a premium return. I’m talking Johnson, Felix and Kershaw caliber. I’m more than ok with that at this point.
If the plan is not to bring back Colon and Garcia, or Burnett gets dealt, we have lesser chips that could bring in a number three like Romine, Noesi, Phelps, Warren, etc.
what’s so good about Granderson’s season is that by all indications he’s one of the great people in baseball, too.
He’s got a real shot at the MVP… as do a few others — Ellsbury, Bautista, Cabrera to name 3. I think Gonzalez’ struggles may have taken him out of the picture unless he has a phenomenal finish.
randy, and for the saber crowd, Jeter has a 18.6% LD (line drive %) vs. righties. But not surprised at all by that.
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He has like a 30% line drive rate for August, he is really hitting on all cylinders. Hitting .280ish vs RHP now as well post-DL
From WCYF: “Banuelos for anything less than a premium return. I’m talking Johnson, Felix and Kershaw caliber.”
I believe I said the Yanks would be looking for an ace. To me, “ace” implies “premium”, but whatever.
From “The Straw”: “I completely disagree. Montero will not be traded now. And if Nova keeps pitching like this, neither will he.”
If the Yanks could get an ace for Montero, they’d trade him. And you will hear Nova trade rumors this winter, it’s unavoidable.
Chavez has been awful since he came back, with an OPS of .598. No reason he should be playing against righties or lefties.
Wave,
Yeah, there will be Nova rumors, but unless there’s a boatload in return, won’t happen.
Great series in Minny. Well except for AJ, but that is standard by now. That IPHR by Grandy was awesome.
Nice for the team to play a few at home before putting back on the gray’s.
Yeah, and playing in Baltimore is not much different than playing in Yankee Stadium, since there are usually more Yankee fans than O’s fans there.
MY has no reason to offer up Noesi in a trade. There are no “Aces” on the block and not likely to be. Noesi has every ability to pitch like a #3 pitcher in the 5th slot. He can be every bit the pitcher in the rotation next year that Nova was this year.
Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
From WCYF: “Banuelos for anything less than a premium return. I’m talking Johnson, Felix and Kershaw caliber.”
I believe I said the Yanks would be looking for an ace. To me, “ace” implies “premium”, but whatever.
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Wasn’t referencing your post at all just sharing my opinion.
If the Yanks could get an ace for Montero, they’d trade him. And you will hear Nova trade rumors this winter, it’s unavoidable.
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Chip’s and Bret’s stupid trade proposals don’t count as rumors.
The claim order is current standings.
If any aces are going to be dealt – it’ll be over the summer when teams fall out of it. Next year, Verlander’s salary jumps to the $20 mil range (for the next 3 years) and if the Tigers are way out of it, they may well listen to offers to dump salary. Same with the Fish on Josh Johnson (tho he’s way more affordable and it’d probably take a buttload more to get JJ than Verlander.
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Ivan Nova’s stellar performances has rocketed him toward AL Rookie of the Year consideration cbsloc.al/pC6Wpi by @HartyLFC
If Johnson hits the trade market, stay away from him. The only way Florida trades him is because his arm is shot.
They’d have to get a true #1 back if Nova is put in a deal right nowni think…..he’s just shown too much progress and if he can become more consistent with his slider then his upside had probably been underestimated
JJ’s arm probably already is.
Nova could get Rookie Pitcher Of The Year, but the writers will go with Trumbo unless he collapes in September.
Niblick–Re Chavez. You are so right. People on this board tend to see small samples as being more, or less than what they are. Posada is head and shoulders above Chavez in the DH stakes. Jones is doing his job as well, contrary to a lot of stated opinion.
Some think Noesi’s development has been short changed this year; that he would have been better off in the minors starting every fifth day and I suppose their is some logic to that.
But I tend not to agree. I think his time spent with the big league club has been invaluable for a 24 year old. He’s pitched 42 innings in relief and has got to be tutored by Rothschild, Mariano, Sabathia and the rest, observe how it’s done, learn to feel comfortable in the show, travel with the team and get a taste of it all.
There is hardly a post-game interview where Nova doesn’t say, I don’t want to ever go to the minors again. Hopefully Noesi feels that way too, will work hard this winter and come to camp ready to compete for a starting job.
NotHankStein When the team has an off day I like to relax with my favorite book The Joy Luck Club. Anything w/Mahjong in it, I’m hooked!
“They’d have to get a true #1 back if Nova is put in a deal right nowni think…..”
Hey maybe the Yanks could get that guy Ian Kennedy on the D’Backs… jk
Sounds like Alex is betting on Curtis winning the MVP.
Selig’s ears just perked up.
Pitching in the majors = good. Not getting alot of innings = bad. Basically don’t be surprised if Noesi can’t really sustain a 180-200 IP season if he is in the rotation. They should pitch Noesi more. He is only at 60 ip on the year.
hardwired7 August 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Sounds like Alex is betting on Curtis winning the MVP.
Selig?s ears just perked up.
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Grandy plays the game the right way, in the Yankee tradition.
No nonsense, no tatoos. Nice backpack, clean cut, well spoken.
Jeterish.
I think the inning guidelines are not applicable to everyone.
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Nova could get Rookie Pitcher Of The Year, but the writers will go with Trumbo unless he collapes in September.
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No such thing as Rookie Pitcher of the Year and if there was Trumbo wouldn’t win it as he’s not a pitcher.
I’m afraid Brackman is AJ without the tattoos.
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Why would a player this bad draw even more attention to himself with ugly tats and even worse hair?
Is it a cry for help?
whats wrong with tattoos? i have 5
I think the inning guidelines are not applicable to everyone.
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ITs not about allowing him to pitch alot of innings (by the yankees rules he’ll be up for 200 if he starts a full season) but if he would be able to do it and maintain effectiveness. Any IP over 160 next season would not only be a career high but also coming off a year where he pitched a few innings sporadically.
Why is Trumbo winning ROY? He is hitting .260 .297 .487 .784
So what. If he gets 25 starts and averages 6 IP that’s 150 innings. What’s the problem?
people assiociate tattoos with being a punk…i wish theyd associate tattoos with something positive, like ‘enjoys cake’…that way when strangers saw me they’d say, ‘this guy really likes cake’, and if they saw me happy they’d say ‘he must be headin to a birthday party’ and if they saw me sad theyd say…’man he must be havin a bad day, someone get him some cake’
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
MY has no reason to offer up Noesi in a trade. There are no “Aces” on the block and not likely to be. Noesi has every ability to pitch like a #3 pitcher in the 5th slot. He can be every bit the pitcher in the rotation next year that Nova was this year.
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Yankees can’t get an ACE for Noesi anyway – I know you think every player who comes up from Trenton and Scranton is better than every player currently on the majors for other teams but it doesn’t work that way.
Yankees have a surplus of mid rotation RHP, if they can use one in a package to help them improve elsewhere – go for it.
So what. If he gets 25 starts and averages 6 IP that’s 150 innings. What’s the problem?
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The problem is what I said. He is not pitching many innings this year. So you basically take him from a build up mode where you want escalating innings to suddenly cut it short and then if you start pushing it again you run the risk of having him be unable to sustain it. Hughes had trouble in the second half because he didnt have lots of innings and was breaking new territory.
If Noesi goes above 160 its not only a new career high but waaaaaaaaay above what he does this year.
NotHankStein Really want Curtis Granderson to win MVP! I’d host a party in his honor & Arod would come & we could finally talk about feelings.
Nova was able to pitch the same amount of innings in the majors last year while pitching 187 innings overall. Which was the better approach do you think? Nova is still going strong late into August.
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
So what. If he gets 25 starts and averages 6 IP that’s 150 innings. What’s the problem?
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The problem is what I said. He is not pitching many innings this year. So you basically take him from a build up mode where you want escalating innings to suddenly cut it short and then if you start pushing it again you run the risk of having him be unable to sustain it. Hughes had trouble in the second half because he didnt have lots of innings and was breaking new territory.
If Noesi goes above 160 its not only a new career high but waaaaaaaaay above what he does this year.
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Who is to say that even if he’s with the team Noesi is a starter next year? He could well become another Ramiro Mendoza/Alfredo Aceves type of swing man for the team out there.
The Yankees will most likely go into the year with 4 spots in the rotation filled with CC, AJ, Hughes and Nova – that leaves one spot left. The team is likely to at least try to get a solid #2 like CJ Wilson and if they do Noesi (if he’s to have any role on the team) would have to come out of the pen.
cant tatoos leak into your bloodstream and kill you?
Would not trade Nova for Kennedy.
“Yankees have a surplus of mid rotation RHP, if they can use one in a package to help them improve elsewhere –go for it.”
I agree to some extent…..but they don’t need much. I wouldn’t trade them just to trade them……Noesi has a chance to be really good I think. Its true they have a surplus……but its also true that there may be nothing out there worth dealing them for now……..we’ll just have to wait and see.
Who is to say that even if he’s with the team Noesi is a starter next year? He could well become another Ramiro Mendoza/Alfredo Aceves type of swing man for the team out there.
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Ok if they turn him into a reliever then it doesn’t really matter. I think its a waste of Noesi’s abilities but whatever. The Yankees seem keen on turning every starter they have into a reliever, instead of rotating guys into the 5 spot then trading them if they aren’t premium.
mick – never heard of that, maybe if u go to an idiot who doesnt know what they are doin,
Where were the Nova rules…….he must feel cheated
. Im becoming more and more in favor of the idea of not bringing a pitcher up until they are ready to throw 190-200 innings ……
i remember tatoos being out of the picture when i was a kid, our parents generation kinda gave up on them, but in the past 10-15 years theyhave exploded, on women as well, don’t get it…
blake – there is mix feelings on that,
i remeber cone sayin he came in and pitched in the bp and kinda learned hitters,
hard to say which way works better
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Who is to say that even if he’s with the team Noesi is a starter next year? He could well become another Ramiro Mendoza/Alfredo Aceves type of swing man for the team out there.
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Ok if they turn him into a reliever then it doesn’t really matter. I think its a waste of Noesi’s abilities but whatever. The Yankees seem keen on turning every starter they have into a reliever, instead of rotating guys into the 5 spot then trading them if they aren’t premium.
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I don’t want to turn every prospect pitcher into a reliever either – but there are only so many rotation spots to go around.
The Yankees aren’t going to let Sabathia walk (hopefully) and they can’t get rid of AJ. If they go into next year with those four guys and one from the group of Noesi/Warren/Phelps then you’re left with the same problem that you have this year – which is no clear #2 behind CC and if you sign a free agent (Wilson or Buehrle) then you don’t have any open rotation spots.
Even if you do keep the 5 spot in house and bring in a vet on a minor league deal to compete – from what I’ve heard Warren is just as good as Noesi and he’ll have probably thrown 150 innings by the time his season ends meaning he could pitch without restriction next season, giving him an edge on Noesi.
mick- what dont u get?
u dont like them dont get em, personal i like tattoos on some gurls i think its hot, not all inked up but something original,
blake August 22nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Where were the Nova rules…….he must feel cheated . Im becoming more and more in favor of the idea of not bringing a pitcher up until they are ready to throw 190-200 innings ……
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Agreed – and as I just said above – if you believe that then you have to think that if the Yankees stay in-house that Adam Warren would have the edge over Noesi.
Then again, Ramiro Mendoza and Alfredo Aceves were very valuable to the Yankees in their roles – I would have no problem with Hector Noesi taking that over – better him than Sergio Mitre.
which is no clear #2 behind CC and if you sign a free agent (Wilson or Buehrle) then you don’t have any open rotation spots.
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You could go into next season with Nova and Hughes behind CC. There is #2 upside there, especially if Nova keeps using his slutter and Hughes continues to develop a better curve.
It’s amazing how fans don’t value pitchers like Nova and Noesi as in “back end of the rotation” or assign imaginary # slots. The two can bring it into the mid nineties with an arsenal of three other breaking pitches. A team trades to improve itself. How many pitchers out there are an improvement on those two even discounting salary? On top of that, you can see them developing, they will get better.
I’ll repeat, Girardi is really hurting the club’s future SP rotation by burying Noesi for long stretches. Noesi should be into the 100 innings/year if you’re using the BP method of developing a starter.
the flip side of the coin is that noeisi is learning a ton by being around major league pitchers, a frankly making a ton more money. i am sure he’s not complaining.
if he lives up to his potential as a better pitcher than nova, which is still an ‘if,’ then the yankess have good problems. these are the problems you pay brian cashman to have, not the other way around.
this winter is going to be really interesting, the yankees may be able to ‘out prospect’ anybody
nova pitching so well, and not being a top 5 yankee prospect, shows a lot about the depth of the system that cashman and his team have built
I think the entire innings thing is overblown sometimes. As long as you don’t abuse a young arm, everyone’s physiology is different, the pitches they throw the stress on their arm is different.
dont get why people like tatoos?
what is the appeal?
the flip side of the coin is that noeisi is learning a ton by being around major league pitchers, a frankly making a ton more money. i am sure he’s not complaining.
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No player is going to complain about being in the majors, but you still need to get them playing time. Baseball players can certainly learn some things through osmosis, but its unlikely they learn how to hit or pitch by sitting around. If they keep Noesi as a potential starter then he isn’t learning the physical things his body needs to throw a lot of innings. It will put him a year behind.
Doc,
Yea….there is something to be said for that as well. I think it depends on the organization though…..the Yankees seem bound to these arbitrary innings limits and pitch counts so to me if you’re going to do that……then just wait until the guy is ready and has built his.innings and then put them in the rotation.
blake,
def agree, it seems the yankees messed up with both hughes and joba and it effected them, not like its a long term effect but def a bump in the road
kd
at this point i really dont think Nova is a prospect anymore… the guy has 15 MLB victories
mick August 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
dont get why people like tatoos?
what is the appeal?
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i guess we agree to disagree
Grandy = MVP!!
Nova is just terrific.
btw, dont know about next year, but wilson is def pitchin for the yankees tonight,
for the record i dont think we should sign him this offseason,
i guess we agree to disagree
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still no answer to the question: what is the appeal.
i know we disagree, just trying to understand the reasoning, not to put you down.
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 pm
which is no clear #2 behind CC and if you sign a free agent (Wilson or Buehrle) then you don’t have any open rotation spots.
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You could go into next season with Nova and Hughes behind CC. There is #2 upside there, especially if Nova keeps using his slutter and Hughes continues to develop a better curve.
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I disagree. Yes, there’s upside with Nova and Hughes but neither one is anywhere near being ready to assume the role of a top of the rotation starter – heck – Hughes needs to put together a full season where he looks good much less like a top of the rotation guy.
If I were the Yankees I’d look to see what Nova could fetch in the offseason with an eye towards upgrading somewhere while pushing Noesi into the 5th spot. Then do the same thing to Noesi if he pitches well. These pitchers who have flaws but are clearly MLB capable have great value and their lack of elite talent means they should be expendable for the Yankees. You have them fill the rotation until the premium guys like Banuelos and Betances are ready to step in.
If the Yankees go after CJ Wilson, which I hope they don’t, they definitely should look into that. Or maybe they can get a better pitcher by trading up Nova.
And if they don’t trade Nova, well it certainly looks like he can have a big impact at the major league level.
mick – i think they look awsome and for me they have personal meanin
1 tattoo if for martial arts i did my entire life, another is for my italian heritage and my interest in aceint rome, another is for my belief in God, another for a tribute to my fav mma fighter and the last for my interest in greek mythology
e. Yes, there’s upside with Nova and Hughes but neither one is anywhere near being ready to assume the role of a top of the rotation starter
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You said #2, not top of the rotation. I think Nova or Hughes could be a #2. Nova & Hughes both threw acelike games this year. Of course relying on either is more risky, but the Yankees seem to have had the same idea this year and its turned out alright. Unless they can swing a great trade I don’t like the prospects of them ‘needing’ a #2.
cool doc…i hope you don’t run out of space.
JF,
That would be fine to do if you’re either getting a better pitcher in return……or its a package for a stud corner outfielder or something…….otherwise though I think its counterproductive. It’s cliche but you can never have too much pitching …..so its not the worst thing to have excess of. In other words …..it really needs to make a lot of sense to do.something like that.
nova has the stuff and 3-4 pitches plus the demeanor to be a great pitcher.
he is under control and intelligent out there.
would take quite a package to pry him away…
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
If I were the Yankees I’d look to see what Nova could fetch in the offseason with an eye towards upgrading somewhere while pushing Noesi into the 5th spot. Then do the same thing to Noesi if he pitches well. These pitchers who have flaws but are clearly MLB capable have great value and their lack of elite talent means they should be expendable for the Yankees. You have them fill the rotation until the premium guys like Banuelos and Betances are ready to step in.
If the Yankees go after CJ Wilson, which I hope they don’t, they definitely should look into that. Or maybe they can get a better pitcher by trading up Nova.
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If Noesi and Warren are similar in terms of stuff (which I’ve heard they are) then I would be more likely to leave Noesi where he is and work Warren into the rotation because of the innings.
Of course you entertain offers for Nova – I would also listen on offers for Hughes, Robertson, Swisher, Gardner and every other player on the team.
Would I trade Nova? I don’t know. At this point I might be more apt to trade Hughes based on the injury history.
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
If I were the Yankees I’d look to see what Nova could fetch in the offseason with an eye towards upgrading somewhere while pushing Noesi into the 5th spot. Then do the same thing to Noesi if he pitches well. These pitchers who have flaws but are clearly MLB capable have great value and their lack of elite talent means they should be expendable for the Yankees. You have them fill the rotation until the premium guys like Banuelos and Betances are ready to step in.
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Who says that Nova doesn’t have elite talent and that he can’t be a better MLB pitcher than Banuelos or Betances? You a fortune teller? Nova has proven he can win in the show, he’s 24 and can throw 95. Banuelos and Betances haven’t proven a thing.
AndrewMarchand Thinking aloud here: I wonder if the team friendly Jered Weaver deal, gives the Angels room to go hard after CC Sabathia.
That would be fine to do if you’re either getting a better pitcher in return……or its a package for a stud corner outfielder or something…….otherwise though I think its counterproductive.
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Yea clearly I would not trade him just to trade him, but guys like Nova are super valuable to other teams and less valuable to the yankees.
less valuable to the yankees.
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why is he less valuable?
every team need , good, young, cheap pitching.
this guy is just learning, next year he’ll prolly be closer to 8 inngs per start
Who says that Nova doesn’t have elite talent and that he can’t be a better MLB pitcher than Banuelos or Betances? You a fortune teller? Nova has proven he can win in the show, he’s 24 and can throw 95. Banuelos and Betances haven’t proven a thing.
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He might! Pitching prospects bust like 70% of the time, so theres risk in trading him and relying on guys down the pipeline. He throws hard but until he developed this sliding cutter he had trouble getting K’s and he still gives up a few too many HRs and walks for a sinkerballer. His WHIP is still pretty high. I like Nova, I thought he could succeed this year at the back end and he has. I’m really pleased by his development. But if you could trade Nova now in a package for a more expensive but more elite pitcher, would you? Or a Matt Kemp type bat?
why is he less valuable?
every team need , good, young, cheap pitching.
this guy is just learning, next year he’ll prolly be closer to 8 inngs per start
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Because he is a pitcher that walks a few too many and strikes out a few … too few and his cheapness is part of his great value to another club.
his cheapness is clearly important to cashman who thrives on bargain basement types
this guy is young and cheap, one of our own, i say keep em
Jerkface August 22nd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
e. Yes, there’s upside with Nova and Hughes but neither one is anywhere near being ready to assume the role of a top of the rotation starter
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You said #2, not top of the rotation. I think Nova or Hughes could be a #2. Nova & Hughes both threw acelike games this year. Of course relying on either is more risky, but the Yankees seem to have had the same idea this year and its turned out alright. Unless they can swing a great trade I don’t like the prospects of them ‘needing’ a #2.
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1. Number 2 is top of the rotation, 3 is mid rotation, 4 and 5 are back of the rotation.
2. Hughes has thrown 1 acelike game and it was against a pathetic Twins offense. He’s had a couple of good 6 inning performances, but nothing I would call ACElike
3. Nova has done what young pitchers do — he’s mixed in very good performances (7.2 IP 10 K 1ER vs. Chicago) with awful ones (5.1 IP 2 K 7ER vs. KC)
4. As for the Yanks plan this year – the plan was to get Cliff Lee – the plan fell apart. What the Yankees got was very lucky Hughes was awful and then missed half the season. By Memorial Day, Nova was pitching to an ERA near 5.
If it wasn’t for Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia being nothing short of amazing the Yankees aren’t even sniffing the playoffs right now.
haha, mick, ya- i think im all tattoed out of my life
nobody is giving anything away esp to the yankees
There’s always a trade off in pitching – SOs vs pitch to contact. SOs are good but you lose innings, contact is good and you gain innings ie less pitches. So you have things like Hughes ceiling is higher because he has more SOs. Then come the myriad fouls at bats. Yesterday Nova was cruising on a CG pace. Granted it was a weal lineup but still a taste of things to come.
K’s can be overrated.
They certainly raise the pitch count.
I’d say Nova averages about 10-12 pitches per inning, which is why he has given length.
Not to say the K’s wont come with time.
In fact, I think if he wanted to, he could become a strikeout pitcher if he wanted to change his approach.
He seems to get them when he needs them.
Actually – the Yankees plan coming into last winter was to go this season with a rotation of:
CC
Lee
Hughes
Andy
AJ
So given that they’re in 1st place in the AL East having gotten an awful season from Hughes and AJ, not retaining Andy and missing out on Lee I would say that constitutes as the luckiest turn of events in the game this year. I don’t think Brian is going to go into next year counting on the rabbit’s foot working in back to back seasons.
“AndrewMarchand Thinking aloud here: I wonder if the team friendly Jered Weaver deal, gives the Angels room to go hard after CC Sabathia.”
The deal isn’t that team friendly especially with so many holes in their batting order.
If CC wants to get to 300 wins and a then certain HOF he better stay where he is.
He knows where his bread is buttered.
“He’s scoring a bunch of runs and RBIs. Those are the two most important stats in baseball.”
A-rod…. sigh..
I don’t think Brian is going to go into next year counting on the rabbit’s foot working in back to back seasons.
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Rabbit’s foot?
More like good scouting, smart team building and a strong minor league system.
AndrewMarchand Cashma says A.J. Burnett is having “typical terrible August” and his contract doesn’t guarantee rotation spot. http://t.co/0T4zHMr
Chip August 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Nova could get Rookie Pitcher Of The Year, but the writers will go with Trumbo unless he collapes in September.
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No such thing as Rookie Pitcher of the Year and if there was Trumbo wouldn’t win it as he’s not a pitcher.
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TSN awards a Rookie Pitcher Of The Year and a Rookie Player Of The year. I’m also aware of what position Trumbo plays.
All this talk about trading a Hughes or Nova for a pitching upgrade should be tempered by the fact that the pitcher you trade for may be a NYC bust (see AJ). If you have a young pitcher that can handle NYC then you have a known commodity. You could trade that pitcher along with his affordibility for someone who can’t handle NYC.
AndrewMarchand Cashma says A.J. Burnett is having “typical terrible August” and his contract doesn’t guarantee rotation spot. http://t.co/0T4zHMr
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Wow Cash is singing a different tune compared to last week
The Angels need.somebody that can hit a lot more than try need CC…..and the Yanks aren’t letting him go anyway
Wow Cash is singing a different tune compared to last week
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Laying the foundation for AJ watching the PS from the bench.
All this talk about trading a Hughes or Nova for a pitching upgrade should be tempered by the fact that the pitcher you trade for may be a NYC bust (see AJ).
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Not just pitching, maybe an OFer! But no relievers. If none of the above exist, keep them.
I know he pitched in the steroid era, but none of Pettitte’s peripherals were very good, and he never really had a true strikeout pitch until he developed the cutter later in his career. I see Nova in a similar mold, where he might not blow you away but there’s a certain comfort there that he knows how to pitch himself out of jams and he’s never going to back down.
If we are talking about Matt Kemp, why give up anything to get him?
It’s also not like we are lacking at any position thru next year where we would have to give up on any young arms, whether B’s or N’s.
Jerkface- Solid young starting pitcher for outfielder doesn’t happen too often if ever.
Erin August 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
AndrewMarchand Thinking aloud here: I wonder if the team friendly Jered Weaver deal, gives the Angels room to go hard after CC Sabathia.
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Marchand should concentrate on thinking quietly before doing it out loud.
I’d rather see the Yanks ship marchand out to the West Coast for a 1980 model IBM Selectric. Send Loopica and Matthews along as throw-ins for a box of ribbons.
GB
Just try to think of these writers as frustrated LoHud hacks.
Except they get paid.
The reason Arte Moreno did the deal for Weaver was to keep the fan base from yelling for CC this off season. (Not to mention he kind of stole Weaver.) As someone mentioned above, they need bats.
Glad to see you around Patrick.
Loved the tattoo discussion, Doc. Very cool stuff you’ve got.
Well GB. Maybe if Marchand works really hard he too can be in a basement like you some day evaluating Claudio Custodio, Yeicok Calderon and Fu-Lin Kuo.
shame – thanks man
i knew a gurl that had the interlockin NY tat…it was so hot, shoudnt have let her get away
Anybody else think Noesi gets a start in the 1st game of the doubleheader then gets sent down?
shame – thanks man
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i think shame’s a girl.
or gurl as you call them
doc…do not marry a gurl for her tats, fatal mistake…and dont they fade?
haha- oh sorry shame, thanks gurl,
haha, thanks for tellin me mick haha
tats
not a misspelling
If the Angels already balked on an under-30 Teixeira, Sabathia, and Crawford, I can’t see they’d go all out on an over-30 Sabathia.
Then again, they did go after Hunter and Wells…and media people still consider them one of the most well-run organizations in baseball
mick- they do fade, i got my first at 18, im 28 now and its still good, but by the time they fade, ill have bigger problems, like how will i stay in shape,
mick August 22nd, 2011 at 2:00 pm
tats
not a misspelling
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haha, dont marry a gurl for the one with a ‘i’ ether,
say a gurl has a butterfly somewhere on her body
if she gains 50 lbs does it expand?
haha, dont marry a gurl for the one with a ‘i’ ether,
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2 “i”‘s are better than one
if its on her stomach then prolly
mick,
It turns into Mothra.
tom
a homina homina
if its on her stomach then prolly
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oh i was thinking of the other side
BREAKING NEWS: Cubs Offer Carlos Zambrano for AJ Burnett, Cashman says No Thank You, AJ is my man !
tom
whatever came of DadInIowa
he came and went like the wind
mick August 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 pm
if its on her stomach then prolly
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oh i was thinking of the other side
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the tramp stamp? maybe if she gains weight there
MLB MLB
First time a player tweets himself to DL? RT @JimmyRollins11: Soooooo this is what we got…mild grade 2 strain. DL
Patrick August 22nd, 2011 at 1:36 pm
I don’t think Brian is going to go into next year counting on the rabbit’s foot working in back to back seasons.
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Rabbit’s foot?
More like good scouting, smart team building and a strong minor league system.
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Really? You’re going to tell me that some scout predicted both Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon pitching to sub 3 ERAs?
I’m going to call BS on that.
tramp stamp?
why do they do that?
correction: Sub 4 ERAs not sub 3.
mick August 22nd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
tramp stamp?
why do they do that?
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idk, those i dont like
Regarding the Jered Weaver signing. So much for the rhetoric that Scott Boras always takes his clients to free agency. As noted here numerous times, an agent can only recommend, the client makes the decision.
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Chip August 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 pm
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Nova could get Rookie Pitcher Of The Year, but the writers will go with Trumbo unless he collapes in September.
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No such thing as Rookie Pitcher of the Year and if there was Trumbo wouldn’t win it as he’s not a pitcher.
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TSN awards a Rookie Pitcher Of The Year and a Rookie Player Of The year. I’m also aware of what position Trumbo plays.
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Just making sure your senility hasn’t overwhelmed you yet.
I’ll throw a couple of tests at you throughout the year to make sure – for example – do you still think that Rene Rivera is a good catcher?
you cant judge a person by their tats
maybe weaver knows something about an arm condition that nobody else does.
Tattoos are not an indicator of whether someone is going to be a good player or not. CC has a lot of ink too.
as does Martin
new breed of yankees
Don’t have a subscription, but F. Piliere has written a piece suggesting that the reason Montero hasn’t been called up is that he is not ready. Sort of surprising coming from Piliere, as he’s typically a bit of a ballwasher when it comes to Yankees prospects.
I think Weaver signed because he wants to stay in California. He could have gotten more money if he was at least willing to flirt with the Yankees as a FA but after what happened to his brother here I have serious doubts that he would have thought highly of coming to the Yankees.
He’s 28, if he’s still pitching this well at 33 he’ll get another big payday.
cant see jeter with a tat…
He’s 28, if he’s still pitching this well at 33 he’ll get another big payday
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Won’t be all that big at 33. You’d think Boras would have at least recommended a Sabathia like buyout after 3 years (maybe he did). I agree, Weaver likes where he is and probably figures he can stretch $85M out enough to allow him to keep food on the table and the high end cable package.
no tats: jete, tex,alex?,cano?,grandy, gardy?,posada
tats: swish, cc, aj,martin,jones,chavez
I have to say, I’m a little surprised to come back and see that tattoos are still being discussed.
jnorris427 Greg Bird’s first pro AB is a whiff. #Yankees
erin: any tats?
mick-nope. I hate needles. And pain.
When is the last $100 million dollar+ deal that the Angels have handed out?
Same story every year… they are rumored for all the big names and end up with either nobody or 2nd tier guys.
They have been linked to every big FA in the last 5 years – A Soriano, Wells, ARod, Zito, Dunn, Crawford, Rafael Soriano, Tex, Manny, V-Mart, etc. and all they have nothing to show for it.
They are like the boy who cried wolf. They have shown no willingness to engage in any real bidding war for good players.
i hear most get them drunk or otherwise numbed.
mick-
drunk not a good idea, since ur gonna be bleedin u dont want ur blood thinned,
erin- its not too painful, more of a tingle, with some pain
next time they can spray paint you erin
YESNetwork Researchers find common cause behind ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease), which could lead to an effective treatment. http://t.co/Tp53OGF
Weaver probably realizes that the same blood runs through his veins as Jeff Weaver…..and that he should take the cash while he can get it
mick-oh, I’ve had plenty of the “air-brushed” tattoos. Pain free!!!!
blake August 22nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Weaver probably realizes that the same blood runs through his veins as Jeff Weaver…..and that he should take the cash while he can get it
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haha oh God, jeff weaver haha
nice article erin
Erin,
My Grandfather died of ALS rather young. I hope this comes to something.
Possible cause and treatment of and for ALS on the way?
http://www.pinstripedbible.com.....ou-gehrig/
why, only now, do they just find this info?
Tom-me too!
GB-I beat you with that link!! Ha ha.
Erin thinks she’s so smart, breaking into my computer to steal my stuff.
Tom, the word over the last year or so was a link between head injuries and ALS.
“Ivan Nova, who considers Burnett a mentor, may be the heir apparent as the Yankees’ No. 2 playoff starter. Nova is 13-4 and has won nine games in a row. He could be the American League Rookie of the Year.” ~A. Marchand
I’m sorry but please keep AJ as far away from Nova (and any other young SP for that matter) as possible. Don’t need his crazyness rubbing off on the young guys.
Let AJ go mentor some top Red Sox pitching prospects in the off season if he wants (if they have any.)
mick August 22nd, 2011 at 2:27 pm
i hear most get them drunk or otherwise numbed.
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Mostly not true. A trustworthy artist uses sterilized needles and an average one takes not much more than an hour. In fact, the correct way to initiate a new tattoo is to have friends slap it not long after healing. I have 3 Yankees and 1 NY Giant tattoo. Always use screen in the sun when possible.
hey didn’t you hear aj was a great teammate?
he’s mr cool with his crazy hair, tats and pie.
Erin, GB7,
More in depth article on ALS: http://www.dailytech.com/Resea.....e22509.htm
“he’s mr cool with his crazy hair, tats and pie.”
I think he just got rid of the crazy hair.
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i noticed that in the dugout yesterday
he must have caught a glimpse of himself in the post game
at least he recognized a mistake and corrected it
Thanks, Tom. Last year, I posted an article on the links with headinjuries because of the number of hockey and football players being diagnosed. at least to former NFLers that passed away donated their brains for the research. If they could find treatments for A:S, alzheimers and others, that would be sensational. I have an uncle with that and it’s to the point where he has to be introduced to my aunt and cousins every day, because he doesn’t remember them. she sits with him al night, every night and tells him about their life and showing him videos and pictures. He loves hearing about it, but, the next day, she has to start all over. That’s not a life to wish on anybody.