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The Yankees DH decision

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Jorge Posada was benched on August. 7. That’s the day Joe Girardi committed to Eric Chavez* and told Posada he was no longer the Yankees regular designated hitter against right-handed pitchers.

Since that day, Chavez has hit .107/.194/.179. Posada has hit .462/.563/.692, with those numbers boosted by his three-hit return to the lineup a week after his benching.

Some of this is a problem of sample size. Those Chavez numbers are spread across 28 at-bats. The Posada numbers come from 13 at-bats. It’s hard to make broad judgments on such “evidence,” but it also speaks to the volatility of figuring out what to do with the DH spot down the stretch.

At the time that Chavez moved ahead of Posada, Chavez was hitting .344/.364/.438 since coming off the disabled list. He seemed to be picking up right where he left off, and Posada seemed to be regressing since his red-hot month of June. He’d hit .205/.259/.244 since July 1. At the time, Chavez over Posada

There aren’t a lot of huge sample sizes left unless the Yankees make a decision and stick with it.

* I guess he really committed to Chavez and Eduardo Nunez, but Chavez seems to be the guy in that role now that Alex Rodriguez is back.

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151 Responses to “The Yankees DH decision”

  1. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    These are the guidelines for MVP voting:

    (1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense; (2) number of games played; (3) general character, disposition, loyalty and effort; (4) former winners are eligible; and (5) members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

    I can see both sides of the argument, it’s a legitimate argument that a player on a team that finishes 4th is less valuable than a player that lead his team to the postseason, even if their performance is identical.

    Plus, Granderson is currently winning (2) over Bautista 123 games played to 114, and (3) as it seems everyone loves Granderson and is like an ambassador of the game.

  2. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I saw a thread about Wandy Rodriguez – that makes absolutley no sense. They have 6 starters now, so why go for a 7th? Is he going to pitch better than anyone other than AJ?

  3. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    repost-

    “For a team that is supposedly so financially powerful it’s time to stop making decisions based on money and sugarcoating AJ’s truly awful performance.”

    So over the last two years AJ has a 5.12 ERA, this year a 4.96 ERA. According to fangraphs, AJ’s been worth about $5MM each year. Now he’s making $16.5M per year, so per Fangraphs at least the Yanks are losing about $11.5MM on him for each of the last two years.

    So one obvious possibility is for the Yanks to trade him and eat $23MM of his remaining contract and let some other team gamble on whether he can return to form. This wouldn’t hurt the Yanks financially, as they are already committed to paying AJ $33MM over the remaining two years of his contract no matter how well or poorly he pitches.

    That would open up a rotation slot, which the Yanks could fill with a kid (Nova, etc.) making minimum salary in the hopes the kid could pitch to a value of $5MM per year or better. In which case the Yanks would break even financially but there is an upside to the risk.

    That would allow the Yanks to continue making decisions based on money.

  4. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    “I saw a thread about Wandy Rodriguez – that makes absolutley no sense. They have 6 starters now, so why go for a 7th? Is he going to pitch better than anyone other than AJ?”

    Maybe, but not $13MM better.

  5. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Betsy,

    Cashman didn’t sound like that at all today about Hughes. He said he’s had some.struggles and he’s through them…..I can’t remember the exact words but he said something like a couple weeks ago there was talk of Hughes coming out of the rotation but now that’s over.

    Wave,

    That’s what they should try to do this winter.

  6. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Saving 10 million on AJ is better than paying the balance of his contract.

  7. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    That would allow the Yanks to continue making decisions based on money.

    ——

    :P

    Nice breakdown.

  8. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    “(1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense;”

    It says value of offense and defense. If value was originally intended to be defined in post-season terms, the guideline would have read “(1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, to what extent did he advance his team’s post-season chances;”.

  9. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Betsy

    He is a lefty, a plus in YS. I really doubt the Yankees would put in a claim and take on the entire contract, but he is due to pass thru waivers today and the Yankees might entertain a trade, with the Astros eating some significant portion, as an option to add a lefty to the rotation for the future as the FA market is weak.

  10. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    That would open up a rotation slot, which the Yanks could fill with a kid (Nova, etc.) making minimum salary in the hopes the kid could pitch to a value of $5MM per year or better.

    ———————————————–

    And why wouldn’t any proposed trade partner think the same way? Which team do you think would be interested in AJ for $5MM?

    AJ might literally drive fans away from the ballpark. Perhaps he’s good for road games as home team fans think they’ve got a good chance to see their offense explode.

  11. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    I don’t really have a problem with the MVP coming from a contending team……I think numbers collected in meaningful games should carry more weight.

  12. HipHipHorHay August 22nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    AJ might literally drive fans away from the ballpark.

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    Hahahaha. I hope he has a big car.

  13. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    If Wandy clears waivers don’t be surprised if the Red Sox try to trade for him. They need starters both now and next year.

  14. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    And why wouldn’t any proposed trade partner think the same way? Which team do you think would be interested in AJ for $5MM?

    —————

    Get the other GM in a room with Michael Kay so he can explain how great AJ’s stuff is.

  15. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    “And why wouldn’t any proposed trade partner think the same way? Which team do you think would be interested in AJ for $5MM? ”

    For $5MM a GM might certainly think that AJ would benefit from a change of scenery.

  16. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
    “(1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense;”

    It says value of offense and defense. If value was originally intended to be defined in post-season terms, the guideline would have read “(1) actual value of a player to his team, that is, to what extent did he advance his team’s post-season chances;”.

    You can spin it that way. :)

    Or, you could also say it literally means the value of the players offense and defense to the team. And naturally, leading your team to the postseason fits within the definition of the word “value”.

  17. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    If Wandy clears waivers don’t be surprised if the Red Sox try to trade for him. They need starters both now and next year.
    ———————————–
    That might be better yet- Yankee lineup kills lefties!!

  18. yanks 27 August 22nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Sox should have had Aceves in the rotation this whole time over Miller/Wakefield.

  19. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Blake, thanks for the update – I didn’t hear him on Joe and Evan either, so I was going by what Kay and Curry had said.

    As to the post-season rotation, we have questions regardless – there’s no sure thing aside from CC, but the potential is there to have a good post-season rotation; we’ll just have to wait and see.

  20. fantasygame101 August 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    At least in september but preferably sooner, montero should be the dh, not posada or chavez or jones.

  21. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Why do people on TV and radio not understand why AJ stinks? And why do they keep saying he has great stuff…..he hasn’t had “great stuff” in about 3 years…..its still good….better than average…..but its not close to what it used to be.

  22. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Hahahaha. I hope he has a big car.

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    I definitely picture him with a big pick-up truck.

  23. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Also: which is more of a joke – Law having Granderson 6th in his MVP ballot or some Padres announcer claiming that Mo was not the greatest closer of all time?

  24. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    “At least in september but preferably sooner, montero should be the dh, not posada or chavez or jones.”

    Hey, the Twins put Thome on waivers. Why not Jim?

  25. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    AJ could have value at the backend of an NL rotation. He can throw 200 innings and he can be the pie man if someone hits a walk off.

  26. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Wave, I don’t get your point. If they get Wandy, let’s say, are you pushing Hughes out of the rotation for him? What happens to AJ? I don’t think we need another starter at this point – there’s no one out there who’s at all appealing.

  27. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    You can maybe sell AJ as a change of scenery guy and push how the AL East is the toughest division to pitch in. Also, don’t forget his xFIP!

    Or Cashman could just bring a bunch of objective pipe to the Winter Meetings.

  28. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Im not sure Hoffman is even in the top 5 of all time closersm

  29. yanks 27 August 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    “he said something like a couple weeks ago there was talk of Hughes coming out of the rotation but now that’s over.”

    He said that on Joe and Evan too, but it sounded like when he said that is “over” he meant the public chatter for Hughes to be removed from the rotation, not that Hughes wouldn’t be removed from the rotation for sure.

    He went onto say that now the talk is Colon being bumped out of the rotation and when he made his comments, it was in response to people asking him about AJ being removed from the rotation.

    Don’t think he really tipped his hand on any decisions. He was very complimentary of Nova though. I don’t know what he told Kay though, just what he told Joe/Evan.

  30. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    “Or Cashman could just bring a bunch of objective pipe to the Winter Meetings.”

    LOL

  31. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Ok I get it now – sorry. I don’t think Wandy would pitch better than Nova and if Hughes is right, he wouldn’t pitch better than him – regardless of cost.

  32. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    For $5MM a GM might certainly think that AJ would benefit from a change of scenery.

    ————————————-

    A bounce-back to mediocrity?

  33. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    YT, he’s an ok pitcher in the NL – I don’t want him anywhere near the AL East. I don’t see him fitting into our future rotation – not with all the promising kids we have that are not that far away. The key is to re-sign Freddy, but I’m not sure he wants to come back..

  34. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    CJ Wilson pitches vs Boston tonight. This will decide if he sucks or not. :mrgreen:

  35. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    “Wave, I don’t get your point. If they get Wandy, let’s say, are you pushing Hughes out of the rotation for him? What happens to AJ?”

    Wandy Rodriguez is a pretty good pitcher, probably better than anyone the Yanks have other than CC, and CC’s not pitching so great right now either. But Wandy costs $13MM a year through 2013, which is why the Astros are making him available and probably why he may clear waivers and probably why the Yanks won’t try to get him.

    Just my opinion of course.

  36. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Go CJ!

  37. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Blake, Francesca says AJ has killer stuff all the time. Curry said the Yankees keep waiting for his results to match his stuff (or that’s what he said in essence)………….I don’t see it. His stuff is ok/good – it’s NOT killer, it’s not outstanding, it’s nothing of the sort. He is a mediocre pitcher who is not going to get any better.

    Cashman may want to stop smoking his “waiting for Godot” pipe.

  38. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Wave, what does CC being in minor slump have to do with anything?

  39. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Andruw Jones is hitting .273/.379/.525/.904 vs lhp, with 7 bombs in 99 ab. I’m pretty satisfied with that.

  40. BX33 August 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Why do people on TV and radio not understand why AJ stinks? And why do they keep saying he has great stuff…..he hasn’t had “great stuff” in about 3 years…..its still good….better than average…..but its not close to what it used to be.

    ————

    Yup. Hitters are having no problem hitting his “great stuff”. He throws a straight 94 MPH fastball with no command and a curveball that blows hot and cold that he has no command of.

    Over the last 2 years he has been the WORST starting pitcher in baseball.

    This year, his supposed “improved” year, only 3 AL starters have a higher ERA than him (and only like 5 pitchers in baseball overall).

  41. Wave Your Hat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    “Wave, what does CC being in minor slump have to do with anything?”

    Not much, I agree.

    Have to run now.

  42. randy l. August 22nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    aj burnett will have another good streak next year sometime early in the year. the yankees need to rave about the new aj burnett who has found himself and has a new fix by rothschild that has made him unhittable.

    then they need to trade his ass as fast as possible for as much as they can get.

  43. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Betsy,

    Either these people don’t watch the games or they just don’t care to pay attention……AJs stuff has been in decline for over 2 years now. He pitches at 92-93 now……he used cruise.at 95-96 and that’s when he coukd get by with throwing it down the middle.

  44. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Cashman raves about Nova all the time and rightly so – it’s why I think he’s down on Hughes, in part at least. Phil is coming back from injury and he doesn’t get anywhere near the slack that AJ gets from him.

    I have not liked Cashman for awhile and I do not get a good vibe from him at all regarding this situation.

  45. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Blake, They are remembering what used to be with AJ. His stuff isn’t bad, but it’s not great and he’s not much of a pitcher. Why the Yankees are so invested in this guy instead of a pitcher they’ve tried to develop for so long is beyond me………maybe they’ve just lost patience with Phil, his injuries, etc…

  46. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Maybe AJ could have great stuff again if he was only pitching one inning throwing as hard as he can. I’m sure he could still hit 95+ with max effort.

  47. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Betsy,

    I really have no idea what you’re talking about regarding Hughes…..I don’t think that’s the case at all.

  48. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Hey I got it!

    You can use Nova’s development as a selling point for AJ. Take AJ off our hands so he can mentor all your young starters!!

  49. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    “Maybe AJ could have great stuff again if he was only pitching one inning throwing as hard as he can. I’m sure he could still hit 95+ with max effort.”

    Velocity is everything to AJs success……if it coukd play up in the pen and if he didn’t have to keep his delivery intact for 100 pitches then maybe he coukd be effective again.

  50. Jerzz August 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Another funny thing Cashman said during his interview was that one of the reasons he was so animated about Burnett is that one reporter asked him why he no longer has “dominant” games where he strikes out 10 or 11. And ironically, he had a 10 K game against the Os a couple weeks ago (in a loss, obviously) and Cashman adamantly pointed that out and tried to portray that as the media distorting the truth and AJ does still have dominant games in him.

    I really think Cashman is watching a different guy than we are. He won’t even admit that he is no longer a guy who can throw a dominant game. Now the benchmark for a dominant game is 10 Ks in 8 innings against the Os, in a game where he gave up 4 runs.

  51. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Let’s not.forget that they sent Nova down when he was pitching fairly well to make room for Hughes in the rotation……and he’s been really good since then. I don’t think that indicates that they are down on him…..I think they think he was hurt.

  52. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I think AJ’s effectiveness with his FB is due mainly to hitters being scared sh*tless of taking one in the face. :shock:

  53. 108 stitches August 22nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    5 years/$82.5M (2009-13)
    signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/12/08
    09-13:$16.5M annually
    limited no-trade clause (Burnett may block deals to 10 clubs each year)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I’ll bet Burnett would not block a deal to Washington. He lives outside of Baltimore and his wife doesn’t like to fly.
    The Nationals are not a cash strapped franchise. If Cashman has a good working relationship with G.M. Mike Rizzo and is willing to eat half of Burnett’s remaining salary, a deal is not out of the question pending the OK from Hal Steinbrenner.

  54. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    AJ to washington sounds good…..give us CMW in return! Or an L screen and a couple of fungoes ……whatever.

  55. Pat M. August 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Tin Cup……Maybe AJ needs to take two weeks off and go back to his barn to find his spring training mojo….How about Freddy Couples !!!

  56. Yank1 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    For a reliever, he has to be able to at least have reasonable command of one pitch.

    He only has 2 pitches and has below average command of both. Even if he can pump it up to 96, if he can’t locate it and he’s all over the place with it, it won’t mean much.

    I mean, its worth a try, but I wouldn’t expect much. A guy was so prone to imploding even when he had good stuff and a role with no margin for error is the worst kind for him.

    It is really astounding that he even had as much success in his career as he has had with 2 pitches and below average command of both. Unfortunately, we’re finding out first hand how reliant he was on that velocity ans he has become one of the worst pitchers in baseball without it.

  57. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Blake, ok then – we’ll have to disagree…….no problem. I hope I’m wrong.

  58. Pat M. August 22nd, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    blake….A trade proposal that makes sense, you just need to add a box of new Rawlings and we’ll make the announcement right before Thanksgiving

  59. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Relievers need less command than starters…..that’s why they are relievers.

  60. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    108 stitches-

    A trade to the NL and the Nationals would probably be acceptable to Burnett. However if they try to pawn off their largest contract in Jason Werth, then it’s a big fat NO. On the other hand their 2nd largest contract I’d take for AJ-Ryan Zimmerman.

  61. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Blake, they sent Nova down, but that has no bearing on anything now. Cashman RAVES about him everytime he talks………..and Hughes has basically gotten a very short leash since his return. He was skipped after pitching that one inning in Boston – he could have made his start on that Wednesday against the Angels, but he didn. Why? As Cash said around the deadline, he loves watching Nova pitch. Nova, rightly so, is the apple of Cash’s eye.

  62. 4 train August 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    betsy chic = hughes didn’t sign my beach ball last year so i say he’s a bum

  63. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Pat M,

    Nice. :)

  64. jacksquat August 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Well, AJ was a little better when he had more velocity because he could get away with location mistakes more often, or at least that appears to be the case. That’s why I’m thinking that if he only has to go one inning he might be better. Then in the offseason they can try to fix him as a starter and try again next year.

  65. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Montero with a 3 run home run that looed like a popup. It was a popup that just kept going outto dead center field.

    On the downside, garcia gave up a double and two run homer to jason Repko and a walk.

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Hughes has always been considered a big part of the Yankees future by management, Cashman said nothing to the contrary today and he never has before. Unlike some here, Cashman knows what they have in Hughes.

  67. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Really , Clueless on the West Coast? I just stated my opinion about what Cash thinks – but you just stated that you KNOW Cashman thinks that way. Are you psychic ? Nah, just psycho and extremely immature.

  68. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Nova, rightly so, is the apple of Cash’s eye.
    ————————————-
    I don’t think so, but if he is, it’s hard to argue after watching him dial it up to 96 for strike two and then strike out the batter with a very nasty, bad, the bomb, slider.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    LMAO!

  70. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    YT, as I said, I hope I’m wrong…………..but we’ll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

  71. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Garcia escapes from his 2nd inning. 3 straight 1 out hits, gets the DP, no runs. A lot of deep counts

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    No you don’t hope you are wrong. You hope Hughes fails.

  73. 4 train August 22nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    it’s not if your wrong betsy chic, it’s more like when are you ever right about anything. apple in his eye, where do you get this bs.

  74. Yank1 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Nova is doing something that no other young Yankee pitcher has done – overachieve. He was looked at as a back end guy, a placeholder, and potentially a guy who would take them to the trade deadline and be used to acquire a pitcher. Now, he could be a big part of the future moving forward.

    Why wouldn’t Cashman be happy with that after seeing most of his other prospects underachieve?

    A prospect getting better as the season goes on and improving on his weaknesses is a rarity in Yankee-land.

    Doesn’t mean he thinks any less of his other pitchers though. Just that he is proud that someone without expectations is performing well above his projection at a position and time of need.

  75. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    That’s my opinion and I am sticking to it. They are not going to keep Colon, Garcia or Burnett in this rotation at Hughes expense. He has too much upside, he’s too young, his stuff is too good. He was hurt, it is that simple.

  76. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t care what the hell you think – you have no idea what I think. You barely have control over what YOU think, if you consider your mindless gibberish thinking. Anyway, “think” whatever you will – your not worth my time. You want to get your jollies attacking everything I have to say? I say good for you – I’m sure everyone here will enjoy it. I’m done with yo.

  77. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Yank1, I did not say nor did I imply that Cashman shouldn’t be thrilled with Nova. I simply think he’s down on Hughes……it’s just my opinion, that’s all. We’ll have to see how things play out, but I don’t think he’s going to be here long term.

  78. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Anyway, I’m sure there are more amusing topics to talk about that we an agree on……..

  79. Yank1 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    “Yank1, I did not say nor did I imply that Cashman shouldn’t be thrilled with Nova. I simply think he’s down on Hughes……it’s just my opinion, that’s all. We’ll have to see how things play out, but I don’t think he’s going to be here long term.”

    That’s fair. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. After all, Cash did try to pawn him off for Jimenez while claiming like 7 other guys (including the likes of Romine) were untouchable.

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Betsy, sorry if you can’t handle being challenged on your Hughes diatribes. I challenge others and they challenge me. Only you make an issue out of it. I’m not the only one am I? You post pages and pages without me commenting, so spare me the motivation nonsense.

  81. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Montero shorthops the center field fence on a line drive for 2 RI. Now 2-3 with a homer, double and 5 RBI today. .286, 14, 60 with 18 doubles on the season.

  82. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    So where is the corroboration that Cashman tried to include Hughes in a Ubaldo deal? A Joel Sherman tweet?

  83. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Laird with a 3 run homer. 10-2 Scanton in first game of double header

  84. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    I didn’t realize that lefty Tom Gorzellany passed thru waivers. He’s now working out of the bullen and in his last 2 stints, both against the Phillies he posted 3.1 innings, no runs, no walks, 2 strikeouts, 4 GB, 3 FB.

    Check out his split stats: Much better than Laffeys

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....gorzelanny

    He’s on the balance of a 2.1M contract.

    Might be worth it as 2nd lefty out of bullpen this year.

  85. 108 stitches August 22nd, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    108 stitches-

    A trade to the NL and the Nationals would probably be acceptable to Burnett. However if they try to pawn off their largest contract in Jason Werth, then it’s a big fat NO. On the other hand their 2nd largest contract I’d take for AJ-Ryan Zimmerman.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I believe Cashman would be happy with a mid level position player from the National’s farm system and quickly get the paperwork finalized before Mike Rizzo changes his mind.

  86. joeman August 22nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Po & Chavez…go get a real hitter THOME ( if possible)

  87. Carlo August 22nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    We don’t play today, we don’t win today, dassit.

  88. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Yank1, yeah, he did – as if it was no big deal for him to do so.

  89. joeman August 22nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    the SP will be the downfall of this team in 11 when they get into the playoffs and face teams that can hit the ball…..

  90. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    GB-

    Looks like Montero having a “field” or should I say “bat” day today.

    Thursday’s game is a day game with Harden vs. Hughes which means Cervelli will be catching.

    Wouldn’t it be sweet to tune into the game as they announce “Now making his Yankee Stadium debut-Jesus Montero.”

  91. joeman August 22nd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    you might see Montero in 10 days

  92. 4 train August 22nd, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    west coast yankee dude. if sherman reports it you know it has to be true. this is where betsy chic gets all of her comedy material. fat farm and every thing else. hughes didn’t sign his beach ball either. cc, hughes, nova are the backbone to their staff for years man

  93. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Cashman on the iconic players. “We’ll genuflect and throw bouquets their way for the past but our job is to focus on the present and the future and the past isn’t going to help us in the present”

  94. joeman August 22nd, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    # Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I saw a thread about Wandy Rodriguez – that makes absolutley no sense. They have 6 starters now, so why go for a 7th? Is he going to pitch better than anyone other than AJ?
    —————————————–
    if you throw enough stuff against the wall something will stick

  95. DaveD August 22nd, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    “So where is the corroboration that Cashman tried to include Hughes in a Ubaldo deal? A Joel Sherman tweet?”

    Heyman also confirmed it that same day on twitter.

    Curry confirmed it on the pregame the evening he was traded.

    Who knows if its true, but Sherman wasnt the only one to report it, he was the first though.

  96. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Enough WCYF. Betsy has opinions like everyone else, she does not want Hughes to fail, nor does she want the Yankees to fail.

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    4 train – That’s the way I see it too. A core of Sabathia, Hughes, Nova with Noesi and a trade piece or free agent signing possible in 2012 and Banuelos and Betances in 2013.

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I disagree Jacob. I think she wants Hughes to fail. Go back and read her 1,000 posts.

  99. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Is Joel Sherman not a respected journalist?

  100. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    If Uncle Jon twat it, it must be true.

  101. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Shouldn’t you be busy being dead or something Jacob Ruppert? We’re so glad you came all the way from your grave to join us here on the blog – what a guy.

  102. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    LGY, you don’t believe it?

  103. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    On the Ubaldo deal, I don’t buy it, but if it was true that Cashman pulled everyone off the table the Rockies wanted and offered Hughes and some lesser pieces, that was an offer he knew would not be accepted. It’s like making a $30k offer on a $50k car. Like most of those non-deals we’ll probably never know the truth.

  104. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    I cannot think of one respected journalist outside of Jack Curry, and tweets are certainly not something that can be trusted. WCYF, I think Betsy is obsessed with Hughes and that is the extent of it. I am obsessed with the Yankees, so I understand.

  105. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Oh yeah, my 1000 posts where I wrote “I want Phil to fail”………… You really are clueless if you took Pukert seriously

  106. raymagnetic August 22nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Is there a source for the “Cashman is down on Hughes” talk? Or is it just the inane talk by one poster who’s been stalking Hughes for three years.

    As GF once said, Phil Hughes own mother doesn’t talk about him as much.

  107. joeman August 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    hi Betsy…

  108. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    That was really mean Betsy. My name is a tribute to Ruppert.

  109. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    On the Ubaldo deal, I don’t buy it

    ———-

    Are Joel Sherman and Jon Heyman lying?

    Aren’t they respected journalists?

  110. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    “So where is the corroboration that Cashman tried to include Hughes in a Ubaldo deal? A Joel Sherman tweet?”
    ————————-
    Hughes was coming off a 7-27 start against Seattle of 6 innings, 9 hits, 2 runs in a 9-2 loss and the one before that was his 7-22 debacle against the A’s.

    I’m sure a lot of names were thrown around. The important thing is that Cashman didn’t make the deal.

  111. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Heyman’s apparently only respected when it works for him

  112. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Well Colorado didn’t make the deal……….Cashman would have.

  113. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I’ve been reading Betsy talk about Phil for a very long time and I never got the impression that she wanted him to fail.

  114. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    That is, the Hughes centered one………not the other rumored deals.

  115. RMS August 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    4 train

    Stop picking on Betsy. Very cowardly when you do that.
    Try picking on a man, if you have the balls.

  116. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Bronx Jeers, I don’t and never have, but don’t try to talk sense into trolls and stalkers because you’ll be wasting your time. Apparently if you are skeptical of a player, it means you hate him. By that token, this whole board must despise AJ and want him to fail miserably.

  117. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Free Montero!

  118. Betsy August 22nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    RMS, 4 train is off his tracks – pity him, don’t be angry at him.

  119. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    With regards to rumors from writers around the trading deadline- Joeman has it right-

    “If you throw enough stuff against the wall something will stick.”

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    I cannot think of one respected journalist outside of Jack Curry, and tweets are certainly not something that can be trusted. WCYF, I think Betsy is obsessed with Hughes and that is the extent of it. I am obsessed with the Yankees, so I understand.

    ************

    Seriously? Curry is the only one? Chad? Ben Shpigel? Kepner?

  121. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Trader, I keep hoping that he gets that call. For a guy that’s not hitting, his numbers in that park aren’t too bad. It’s a tough park to hit homers in. He’s going to be fine.

    Garcia is really struggling today. 4 innings, 8 hits, 2 runs, 1 walk, 0 strikeouts. 59 pitches.

    As I’m typing this, Montero just hit a rcoket off of the light tower in left field. 2nd homer and 6 RBI tonight

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    RMS August 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    4 train – Stop picking on Betsy. Very cowardly when you do that. Try picking on a man, if you have the balls.

    **********

    So you think so little of women that you think they should be treated differently on a sports blog? I don’t.

  123. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Chad Jennings is as well. Not because he runs this blog. Because he provides well-detailed information, does not have personal issues with players, and does not attempt to create controversy or feed controversy. I lost a lot of respect for Curry during Sunday’s broadcast.

  124. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Does Garcia at least have the splitter working today? Probably not since he has no strikeouts.

  125. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    “As I’m typing this, Montero just hit a rcoket off of the light tower in left field. 2nd homer and 6 RBI tonight”

    Release Montero from his Scranton prison.

  126. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    WCYF, I do not think Betsy has said anything provocative or worthy of ridicule or harassment. There are plenty of others on the blog that do, but not Betsy.

  127. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Sad day for sports journalism. :(

    Even WCYF no longer believes Jon Heyman is a respected journalist. :(

    Free Montero!!

  128. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Chad Jennings is as well. Not because he runs this blog. Because he provides well-detailed information, does not have personal issues with players, and does not attempt to create controversy or feed controversy. I lost a lot of respect for Curry during Sunday’s broadcast.

    *************

    What do you think of Ben Shpigel and Tyler Kepner?

  129. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    *has ever said anything…

  130. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Montero read this post before the game and said, I’ll show you what to do with the DH spot :mad:

  131. Jacob Ruppert August 22nd, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    I think they are all horrible. All of them feed of controversy. Give me a journalist who reports the news and does not try being a part of the news and that is a journalist I respect

  132. waka flocka August 22nd, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Anyone wanna explain why the hell Washington would want AJ in the first place? Strasburg, Lannan, and Zimmerman are all major leaguers under control next season and beyond. Thats not mentioning prospects waiting and cheaper options on the FA market.

  133. RMS August 22nd, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    So you think so little of women that you think they should be treated differently on a sports blog? I don’t.

    =====================================
    Women should not be picked on or bullied ANYWHERE. That’s how I was brought up. Apparently, you weren’t, shame.

  134. LGY August 22nd, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Chad Jennings is a respected journalist because he motivated Montero to go into beast mode.

    Free Jesus!!

  135. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Blake, Montero is catching this game, so, it will be interesting to see if he DH’s in the 2nd game.

    Brackman pitching. gave up a soft single, soft ground out, strikeout on a fastball, and a soft groundout. 12 pitches, 9 strikes

  136. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    GB-Looks like Garcia was pitching to a few players over 30-Repko, Bailey, Lambin, Holm.

    So Brackman is now in. Looking any better?

  137. West Coast Yankee Fan August 22nd, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    RMS August 22nd, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    So you think so little of women that you think they should be treated differently on a sports blog? I don’t.

    =====================================
    Women should not be picked on or bullied ANYWHERE. That’s how I was brought up. Apparently, you weren’t, shame.

    ************

    I think you are a misogynist. You obviously respect women so little you feel the need to assign a gender motivation to this and deem them not to be a man’s equal. I don’t think it has anything to do with being challenged on Hughes.

  138. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    GB,

    Im not home right now…is it the good broadcast or the crappy behind the plate deal? Does Manny pitch tomorrow?

  139. Yankee Trader August 22nd, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Gotta go. Everyone have a great night. I’m still wishing for a miracle that the Yankees bring up the monster, Montero for the Thursday day game in YS against the A’s, and let him catch instead of Cervelli.

  140. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Bauelos will pitch in the 7 inning game tonight for Scranton

  141. P August 22nd, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    What is going oon with Derek Jeter .. WOW! He’s batting almost .500 in the last 10.. this is the Jeter we all know and love, let’s hope that imposter is gone for good :)

    I’ve been complaining about Jeter for almost 2 years now so it’s nice to have to eat my words and give the man his props.

  142. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Blake the camera is behind the plate and stationary

  143. RMS August 22nd, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    I think you are a misogynist.

    ———————————————————————–

    And I think you are an idiot that I no longer will address.

  144. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Gb,

    What time you reckon game 2 will start?

  145. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Trader, so far, Brackman tooks great 2 innings, one single, 1 strikeout and 4 groundouts. 24 pitches, 17 strikes

  146. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Blake, about 8 :00 I’d guess 30 minutes after this game is over.

  147. Bronx Jeers August 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Women should not be picked on or bullied ANYWHERE. That’s how I was brought up.

    —————————————————————————

    Yeah this definitely reeks of misogyny. :smile:

  148. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Trader, Garcia, according to the announcers tried throwing the split and it wasn’t working so, I assume everything was curves and fastballs.

  149. blake August 22nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    GB,

    Thanks…..hopefully ill get to watch.

  150. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Monteo is weakening. He could only hit the ball to the warning track in center field in his last at bat.

  151. Run it Out August 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Betsy is convinced (in her own mind) that Cashman/organization is down on Hughes. She reads between the lines when Cahman complements Nova in his first full year of starting and doesn’t complement Hughes. Did anyone corraborate the Sherman story that Hughes was offered for Ubaldo. Any corraboration with the Denver media or any other outlet? Sherman is not noted for always being accurate.

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