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Granderson: “We’re going to try to fight it”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Curtis Granderson is the Yankees representative for the players’ association. He’s been heavily involved in conversations about how to handle Hurricane Irene and this weekend series in Baltimore.

This is how he found out that today’s doubleheader had been postponed.

“I remember my first at-bat, the initial conversation with (Matt) Wieters and the home plate ump,” Granderson said. “They said, ‘What’s going on?’ I said, ‘I have no clue. Maybe we’ll find out as we go on.’ And sure enough it gets announced. I’m on the on-deck circle looking (at the information on the scoreboard) going, ‘I didn’t even know about that stuff that’s up there.’ All the rescheduling stuff I didn’t know. Now, the option of doing two on Sunday (was) a possibility just because of the way it’s all working out, and we knew there was a 98 percent chance we weren’t going to play (Saturday). But even before we took the field, it still hadn’t been confirmed that we weren’t playing.”

Basically, the best-case scenario seems to be playing four of five games this series (at least, that’s what’s in place now). The Yankees believe there are — or at least, were — alternatives.

1. Doubleheader yesterday — Granderson said it was earlier this week that the Yankees submitted the idea of preemptively playing a doubleheader on Friday. The Orioles refused. This is the point that seems to have the Yankees most upset.

2. Early game today — This was a topic discussed last night, that the Yankees and Orioles should have at least left open the option of playing one game today. Joe Girardi even mentioned the idea of pushing up the first pitch a few hours. Hard for ticket holders to change their plans last second would be the obvious argument against.

3. Doubleheader in New York — The Orioles are coming to the Bronx for a three-game series in September, so why not just play two games one of those days, and give the second-game gate to the Orioles? Granderson said it was actually the commissioner’s office that squashed this idea. “There could be concerns about having an extra home game in comparison to everybody else in the league as a home-field advantage,” Granderson said. “I’m not sure what the other reasons would be, but that definitely was one of them.”

4. Back-to-back doubleheaders Sunday and Monday — Granderson said the Yankees were actually presented with this as an alternative to playing on September 8, but four games in two days before September call-ups? The Yankees actually said no to this one. “If either team happens to deplete the pitching staff, if a starter happens to not go late, teams are going to be scrambling,” Granderson said. “Just from getting somebody up, looking at the weather, depending on where guys potential 40-man rosters happen to be, it might be difficult to get guys here in time for the next scheduled game to use them. It wouldn’t benefit either one of us to try to go ahead and do it.”

5. Consider skipping the game completely — Granderson included this option as a sort of last resort. There’s a built-in off day before the playoffs, and the Yankees and Orioles could play this game on that day only if necessary. “Seeing if it’s left and we need to actually play that at the end of the season would be the next and final option,” Granderson said.

Right now, it’s hard to say how much influence the Yankees will have on this decision. It could be that the Orioles will be able to get their way regardless.

“It’s tough because of the way the bargaining agreement is (written) and the fact that they are rescheduled rain out games and Baltimore’s home park,” Granderson said. “It’s going to be difficult. At the same time, you do need both parties. You need their team and our team, so we’re going to try to fight it as much as we can.”

Here’s Granderson after last night’s game.

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357 Responses to “Granderson: “We’re going to try to fight it””

  1. Villa Nova-Ya August 27th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    If they had agreed to a split DH yesterday, there was a chance (slim) that all the games could have been fit in this weekend somehow, even with no games today.

  2. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    The Orioles are garbage…..

    MG,

    That’s the thing with AJ…..if you look at the game logs from 2010 there were 10 games in which AJ gave them no chance to win at all…..that likely cost them the division. He’s starting to do the same thing again this year so by sticking with him the Yankeess are essentially opening up the possibility of one pitcher costing them the division two years in a row.

  3. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Repost on Burnett-

    Burnett lives 30 minutes north of Baltimore. Cashman and the Yankees need to find some excuse to send him home while still in Maryland. Just spin it as for personal reasons. Rosters expand anyway in 5 days. If necessary throw Noesi out there in Fenway for 3 innings.

    Burnett and the Yankees need to part ways, but it’s unlikely that will happen until the offseason.

    As to him saying he needs to pitch inside, with a record 20 wild pitches, if he pitches inside he’ll set a record for hit batsmen. He’s of no use as a starter or a reliever.

    Send him home. If necessary bring him back when rosters expand and let him ride the bench until the last game of the regular season.

  4. MG August 27th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:02 am
    I think thee are parallels between AJ and Tex’s LH swing. Both could be successful when they were young and had incredible ability but neither is particularly suited to work with diminished physical ability. Tex could get away with that swing in his.prime……when he had great timing and his reflexes were tops……what concerns me is when that starts to slip…..same with AJ and his velocity
    ——————————————
    blake, I’m starting to get the feeling that much of Teix’ left handed issues are simply a matter of the defenses being able to eliminate a good part of the field when he’s up.

    Last night he hit two balls that could have easily been hits through the infield that were routine outs because of the shift.

    It doesn’t look to me like he’s capable of hitting the ball the other way on the ground to beat the shift, everything to left field is in the air.

    the solution may be a major overhaul in his swing, I just don’t know if he’s interested in making the changes at this point in his career.

    Jim Palmer, who doesn’t see him play much, even pointed out the way his back side collapses from the left side last night so it’s pretty obvious and the opposing teams clearly know how to pitch him to limit the damage.

  5. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I’m glad they’re trying to fight this.

    They may not succeed but it’s worth a try.

    I don’t understand all the considerations that go into this but I do believe the solution should be mutually agreed upon and relatively fair to both parties.

    No undue suffering on either side.

    Does not sound like the best possible judgement was exercised.

  6. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    if its just one game they will wait till 9/28 to play it if necc.

  7. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Unless MLB can explain why they can and will force the Yankees to play according to the whims of the Orioles and not force the Devil Rays to play the DH when they were in NY because of the rainout, I can see grieveances being filed. Tampa had to agree to play the game and they refused, but now, they are going to force NY? I don’t think so. This is a Showalter game being played as much as it is an Angelos game.

  8. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    The Orioles are garbage. They are grinding The Yankees, making everything as difficult as possible. Probably Buck leading the charge with Angelos a close second. No love lost there.

  9. yankee21 August 27th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    The Yankee’s brass need to get involved in this situation with MLB and the re-scheduling. NY and the rest of humanity knew that Saturday’s DH would likely be a DH so they tried to pre-emptively push for a DH on Fri, for whatever reason, BAL and MLB said no. BAL and MLB refusal put NY in a box not of their own making.

    If I am NY I simply tell MLB that we will not agree to rescheduling this game in September until the day after the season if necessary. They should not have to play on a day that is a standard off day prior to a WC swing.

  10. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    MG,

    Tex and Long should get together this winter and attempt to make his LH swing more like his RH swing…….basically close his stance a little……and shorten and flatten his swing and try and get him to firm up that back side. The power is there LHd but he’s a big time lift and seperate guy from that side now and that and age do not mix well.

    Vineyard,

    I.don’t know…..but Javy found a job and he’s actually pitching better now. AJ can throw innings and his stuff would play better in the NL…..you never know.

  11. Frozen Rope August 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    How come it was ok to play marlins ” home” games in seattle earlier this year but not acceptable to selig in this case??

  12. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    martin played goalie more than he ever has last night
    the defense behind him was porous
    they don’t hit for him
    at least skip his turn in boston
    have mercy on the team and him

  13. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Blake-

    How about sending him to the Nationals ?

    ;)

  14. MG August 27th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am
    MG,

    Tex and Long should get together this winter and attempt to make his LH swing more like his RH swing…….basically close his stance a little……and shorten and flatten his swing and try and get him to firm up that back side. The power is there LHd but he’s a big time lift and separate guy from that side now and that and age do not mix well.
    ——————–
    completely agree…

    I fixed the typo in your post, don’t want you to be derided by the spelling police :)

  15. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    MG,

    Thanks…..yea GB is a stickler for spelling……don’t want him on my case so early.

  16. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Mick-

    I definitely do not want to see Burnett against the Sux.

  17. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Now there’s a thought, San Diego, Houston, Florida. AJ can languish in relative obscurity on one of those teams.

  18. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Blake-

    It’s really Killer. GB is is at his mercy too.

    ;)

  19. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    DH yesterday- from a Yankee point of view it makes sense. The Orioles were coming back Thursday after a 1:10 PM game in Minnesota. However none of the other teams on the east coast asked to play a DH on Friday after they had already cancelled their Saturday and Sunday games-Phillies, Mets

    Early game today-Can’t ask fans to drive to the stadium which is next to the inner harbor and park in an area that could be affected by the storm surge.

    DH on the 7th makes most sense. However it’s all about money from gate receipts for the Orioles. Find some way to amicably split the gate or play the 1st game in YS at 11:00, drive down to Baltimore for a 7PM game and pray the earlier game isn’t delayed or go extra innings.

    It’s “show me the money” from the Orioles standpoint.

  20. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    his depression or whatever mental condition afflicts him is affecting the team
    it isn’t right to drop a better pitcher from the rotation for him
    it should be 6 man the rest of the way or drop him
    that’s the right thing to do

  21. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    MTU August 27th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I do only from the standpoint that AJ gives up an easy 5 – 7 runs per game making a wager on the over easy money. (Like last nite – 10 ) LOL !

  22. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    mtu

    seems like the perfect time to skip him
    instead of jerking around phil, nova,freddy, etc…why not play with aj’s head a little bit
    is it that he’s too fragile?

  23. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    i feel a doubleheader blowing in this Monday

  24. Benny Blanco August 27th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Blake,

    In case you’re wondering, Tex is now 2-23 in his last six games. This guys falls into hitting slumps quicker than any player I’ve seen before. He’s killing his career 282. BA

  25. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Good Morning Mick, hows things ?

  26. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Hey VY…

  27. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Benny,

    He’s a streaky guy….and I guess that’s ok if the hot streaks balance out the cold ……but you can’t have that type hitter in the 3 hole IMO. I like Tex…..he’s a great first baseman and he’s still an elite hitter right handed……I just wish if he was going to have a platoon split it would be the opposite as there are many more RHP than LHP.

  28. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Fight it – fight it or forfeit. Let the O’s lose a gate – I can’t think of a team that has acted this shamefully, but it’s no surprise – they are a punk, classless organization.

  29. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Blake, no you can’t have that kind of guy in the 3 hole, but the Yankees are very stubborn about making moves – it’s like they are afraid of destroying a player’s confidence if they do so.

  30. Tar August 27th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    “In 1991 Smoltz had a 2-11 record midway thru the season, worked with a sports psychologist and went 12-2 the rest of the season. In fact the psychologist would sit behind home plate at Braves games to serve as a focal point and as reinforcement for Smoltz”

    Trader

    Thanks for posting that. I don’t remember that happening. I know about AJ’s mechanics issues (thanks to some very astute posters on here). But, I do feel he loses concentration on the mound. Tthe more trouble he gets in, the worst it is. If I am AJ and the Yankees I would leave no stone unturned.

  31. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Cashman-

    Send Burnett home this weekend. He lives only 30 miles from the stadium. Make up whatever excuse you need-personal reasons.

    Let him come back at some point when rosters expand to ride the bench.

    If you need a pitcher in Fenway the 3rd game on September 1st, use some combination of Noesi, Warren or other AAA pitchers to get you thru the first 6 innings.

  32. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    As to AJ, my father, who is never ever annoyed at anything re: sports has worked himself up about AJ. He’s ticked off and thinks the Yankees should just trade and eat his contract. I don’t think that will ever happen. AJ is in the rotation because of the DH and because his main competition doesn’t have great stuff and is still iffy going forward. He had a chance, I think, to solidify his spot by just pitching solidly – and he couldn’t do it.

  33. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    One plus……is that Swisher is performing better now than maybe at any point in his Yankee career. His overall numbers are down because of his awful start……but now his power has returned and he’s getting on base about 30 points better than last year. He’s really playing well

  34. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Tar-

    Smoltz at the time was 24 yo. Would it be worth a try with AJ? Don’t know. I only posted it because Smoltzie credits that sports psychologist with turning his career around.

  35. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Hughes has pitched very well in 4 of his last 5 starts. A red hot As team hit him……but they hit everybody in that series and pounded Boston yesterday.

    AJ hasn’t had a quality start in his last 10. Ajs record is under .500 with the Yankees when they as a team are close to 100 games over .500 since he signed.

  36. yankee21 August 27th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Swisher looks real good at the plate. The HR he hit last night was one of the loudest off the bat I recall hearing. I was dogging him earlier as a LH hitter, he has played well. Good for him.

  37. mick August 27th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Smoltz at the time was 24 yo. Would it be worth a try with AJ?
    ======================
    First he has to acknowledge that something is wrong and stop repeating his mantra “I have great stuff.”

  38. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Smoltzy had a great delivery ……I don’t think AJs problems are as much mental.as they are he’s just not very good. Throwing the ball where you want to is a big part of pitching……and he’s never been able to do that for extended periods of time. I think he’s always been a mediocre pitcher…..with unbelievable stuff masking his mediocreness.

  39. YES Man August 27th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    AJ wants to pitch inside??? OK—-get a nerf ball so you don’t hurt anyone, and STAY inside….don’t ever leave your house again!!!

  40. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Cashman-

    “AJ Go home.”

    His home photos:

    http://www.celebritydetective......ofile.html

  41. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Fight it – fight it or forfeit. Let the O’s lose a gate………………..

    ================

    Hit em where it hurts, in the wallet.

  42. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Blake, Hughes is better than AJ, but that’s not saying a lot………..We don’t need to get into this again, especially since AJ is making the decision easy. At this point, I’d rather see someone from the minors up here, but maybe after Fenway -you can’t stick an untested kid in a game at Fenway for his first start.

    I suspect the Yankees are going to cave on this 9/8 thing -

  43. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    AJ is not a kid – he is not reinventing himself at 34 years old. Each of the last 2 years, he’s said he’s going to work on is change to give him a 3rd pitch…………and it’s still not been some huge part of his repertoire. He has good/decent stuff, but even when he had great stuff, he was more of a thrower than a pitcher.

  44. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    DH yesterday- from a Yankee point of view it makes sense. The Orioles were coming back Thursday after a 1:10 PM game in Minnesota

    ===============================

    That was the last day of a 10 game in 11 days road trip that made stops thru Oakland and Disneyland. Knowing that, I’m not sure I blame the Orioles players for taking the position they did, as I believe the Yankees players would have done the same.

  45. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Smoltz had a terrible delivery. It was violent and he threw across his body. That he was able to recover from major arm injuries on so many occassions is surprising.

  46. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I think this bears repeating…….the Yankees are nearly 100 games over. 500 since AJ joined them …….yet AJ is 32-35 over that same span…. that’s incredible.

  47. Tar August 27th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    “Would it be worth a try with AJ? Don’t know. ”

    Trader

    Practically speaking AJ is done as a starter this year. Even if he goes out and pitches a great game in his next start, you just can’t trust that he will show up when the team really needs it.

    But for the future, I think him talking to someone couldn’t hurt.

    Blake you have to start somewhere. Maybe the reason his mechanics are whacked, is because his head is not in the right place.

  48. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Blake, that is incredible…………I don’t think anyone takes any pleasure in being this harsh on a player, but the truth hurts.

  49. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Blake-

    Did you see where Tommy Hanson was dx with a partial labral tear in his pitching shoulder? Having watched him pitch, I’m not surprised.

    It was his shutdown of the Yankees in Atlanta in 2009 that had Cashman call a team meeting. The Yankees went on a tear after that.

  50. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Apparently, the Orioles players had no say in this if their own player rep had no idea what was going on.

  51. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    GB,

    Are you serious? He threw across his body a bit but so did a lot of great ones……used he legs great and more importantly repeated. I didn’t see much violence there….

  52. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    The least they can do is play the game at the end of the season ONLY if it matters in the standings

  53. Vineyard Yankee August 27th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Nice job digging up that photo site. All that blinding white inside his house, wow ! Reminds me of a hospital, especially that entry way. Some nice soft neutral colors would go along way inside his house.

  54. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Trader,

    Yea….sucks…..he puts a lot of stress on his shoulder. Luckily they have a slew of young arms behind him. Minor has pitched pretty well. I heard yesterday that when they sent him.down they made him throw his breaking ball every other pitch in the minors and the result is that it got better.

  55. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    I think Nolan Ryan believes you SHOULD throw slightly against your body to prevent opening up…..I believe he thinks that creates more injuries

  56. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Mell-

    That was the point I was trying to make about a DH last night. It made sense from a Yankee standpoint. Also the Phillies and Mets could have requested a Friday DH against the Marlins and Braves[but didn't], both teams flying in from their homestands, since they had already cancelled games Saturday and Sunday.

  57. Shame Spencer August 27th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I know we’re in a tight division race right now but I’m sorta with Betsy on this one – I’d rather the team forfeit the game and force the O’s to eat the loss of concessions/income. At the end of the day, we’ll still be in the playoffs and I’d rather do that with at least one full day off before the second season starts. The L would be nothing compared to giving our guys a rest.

  58. Frozen Rope August 27th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    how was it okay for the marlins to play “home” games in Seattle against the Mariners earlier THIS SAME year for a whole SERIES, but doing so in this case FOR 1 GAME with the O’s/Yankees in NY is deemed not acceptable or fair by Selig????? What a crock of BS!

  59. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Shame, plus it would embarrass MLB………….but I really don’t think the Yankees are going to go that route.

  60. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    For a little humor at AJ’s expense:

    It looked like AJ might be crying into his shirt on Chad’s post last night after the game. That reminded me of the Tom Hanks movie and this line:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t48brs4QRjY

  61. Frozen Rope August 27th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am
    Apparently, the Orioles players had no say in this if their own player rep had no idea what was going on.

    ==========

    no, it was their clown management and front office that came up with this crap in conj with MLB. that’s how things run in this town, management of this org has been a joke for 14 years and that’s what their problem is.

  62. 108 stitches August 27th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    September 1st is next Thursday. There’s no need for Burnett to pitch again this year. For the final game in Beansville on 9/1, any of Warren, Phelps, or Mitchell can pitch as the rosters are expanded. Knowing in advance what Burnett would give, the younger pitchers could be a nice surprise.

  63. Madrugador August 27th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    I never want to hear AJ has good and descent stuff ever again. If he has good stuff, give me a pitcher with junk. Good pitchers win, bad ones don’t. Simple.

  64. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    108 stitches-

    Mentioned that. Any combination of Noesi to start and get in 3 innings, followed by some of the AAA pitchers to get thru the first 6 would be better than watching AJ pitch in Fenway.

  65. blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I feel bad for AJ….I think he wants to do well and he’s tried but that doesn’t change the facts.

  66. sunny615 August 27th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I hate the O’s – Buck and his stupid club. What a bunch of noodleheads.

  67. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Looks like Nova gets the 1st game on Sunday. Should be interesting with >30mph winds called for thru the afternoon.

  68. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Blake, yep. We’re talking about someone’s career here and no one knows more than the person struggling what it means that they ARE struggling this badly

  69. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    YT-

    As long as he has a tailwind.

    94 + 30 =

    :)

  70. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Maybe by then the storm will be out of Baltimore, but I can’t see how they are going to play

  71. Frozen Rope August 27th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Madrugador August 27th, 2011 at 9:58 am
    I never want to hear AJ has good and descent stuff ever again. If he has good stuff, give me a pitcher with junk. Good pitchers win, bad ones don’t. Simple.

    ========

    seriously, David Cone won for years as a Yankee without great stuff and lots of guile. Or even Jamie Moyer who threw junk and still managed to win 20 games 1 year and 200 in his career.

  72. Frozen Rope August 27th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    or even Freddy Garcia. his stuff isn’t what it was yet he still can win ball games because he doesn’t have a ten cent head like AJ.

  73. Madrugador August 27th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    If any one of us preformed as badly, consistently like AJ, we would be either out of a job or unemployable. Do you think any team would take him right now even if the Yanks did pick up most of his salary.

    BTW What is the under/over for AJ when he has to pitch at Fenway?

  74. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Swisher splits

    vs RHP: .244/.358/.438/.797
    vs LHP: .328/.442/.496/.938

    1st half: .249/.367/.416/.783
    2nd half: .303/.414/.526/.941

    so far…..his 2nd half this year has been better than his 1st half last year (.298/.377/.524/..901)

    His terrible first half this year is hurting his overall numbers…..but that doesn’t matter now…..what matters is that he’s playing awesome now.

  75. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Betsy,

    they’ve already cancelled today’s games…..I think they are off the table even if the hurricane turns around and heads back south…..I could be wrong

  76. RadioKev August 27th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    blake August 27th, 2011 at 9:59 am
    I feel bad for AJ….I think he wants to do well and he’s tried but that doesn’t change the facts.
    ———–

    Agreed, he’s not a bad guy or anything. He’s just fallen off quite a bit.

    It’s up to the Yankees to make some type of move with him. Not addressing his poor pitching is just poor management. Offer him an ultimatum? Store him away on the DL? Put him in the pen? Break down his mechanics? He’s simply not doing the job and there’s no real reason to believe he will turn a corner.

    With so many options in AAA, and Noesi in the pen all ready, I think we’ve got to shake things up.

  77. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Betsy-

    Not that weather.com is all that accurate but attached the conditions for Baltimore’s Inner Harbor for Sunday-Mostly wind by game time and settling down by 2nd game:

    http://www.weather.com/weather.....8;s_oidt=0

  78. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    His terrible first half this year is hurting his overall numbers…..but that doesn’t matter now…..what matters is that he’s playing awesome now

    ===============================

    Put him under 24 hour watch for the rest of the season to make sure he doesn’t disappear in October.

  79. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    SWB’s remote playoff hopes went up in smoke with doubleheader loss last night. Should be n delay in getting those reinforcements up to the big club.

  80. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Mell,

    he hasn’t been great in October…..but neither was Arod until he was.

  81. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Blake:

    Hasn’t been great? He hasn’t been good enough to be bad. You’re right though, you never know when/if that might turn around.

  82. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    B.J. Upton has been claimed off trade waivers by an unknown team, reports Marc Topkin of The St. Petersburg Times. The Rays have until Monday to work out a trade with the claiming team or pull their center fielder back, and Topkin says a deal seems unlikely as of right now.

    Scheduled to become a free agent after 2012, Upton is being paid $4.825MM this season and will be arbitration-eligible again this winter. He’s hitting just .224/.304/.390 with 17 homers in 495 plate appearances this year, but as always a big chunk of his value comes from his legs (26 steals) and defense (fourth best UZR among all center fielders since 2009).

    I would think he gets pulled back. The unknown team??

  83. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    With all the crap that has gone on lately the Yankees are still just one measly game out of 1st.

    :)

  84. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Mell,

    depends on if you believe if it’s just a small sample or because you believe the stage has something to do with it…..I don’t know the answer to that. Either way…if it’s sample size then there should be a correction and if its the stage then he should have more experience and hopefully handle it better.

  85. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    What do the sabermetrics list as Upton’s DZR (Dog Zone Rating)?

  86. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    What are the odds that one of our young guys gets a spot start in Sept. ?

  87. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    depends on if you believe if it’s just a small sample or because you believe the stage has something to do with it

    =================================

    Not sure. 125+ plate appearances, so it’s not a huge sample by any stretch, but it’s not totally insignificant either. This year will be his 5th postseason in 6 years. We’ll see.

  88. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    With all the crap that has gone on lately the Yankees are still just one measly game out of 1st.
    ———————————————–
    MTU-

    Thank goodness.

    However just when the blog thought the Yankees might have a #2???

    Now making #2 candidate Super Nova pitch with 37 mph winds!

    There’s still hope that the Yankees have time to become a dangerous playoff team!

  89. Mell August 27th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    I would think he gets pulled back. The unknown team??

    =========================

    Nats have long been interested.

  90. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    GB-

    At times it’s a 10 woof.

    ;)

  91. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Montero:

    2010: .289/.353/.517/.870
    2011: .289/.348/.465/.813

    only real difference is the 50 points or so in SLG% that accounts for his power outage in the middle of the year. That’s been corrected though as in the 2nd half he’s hitting. .287/.353/.553/.913 and .313/.375/.613/.988 in August.

    Teams likely pitched him differently this year…..more slop away and he’s had some injuries to deal with as well…..but it seems he’s made the adjustments. The struggle period this year was probably good for him in the long run.

  92. Madrugador August 27th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    With as many games as they have in Sept. you got to think that one of the guys from Wilkes-Barre gets a chance. Who do you like/

  93. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    YT-

    The Yankees will have to sort it out.

    I’m looking forward to the Sept. reinforcements.

    And for A-rod to get it going.

    Nova is gonna be wicked with that slider and a 125 MPH heater.

    :)

  94. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    oh and in 114 ABs he’s absolutely mashed LHP.

    .333/.398/.656/1.056…..9 homers

  95. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Blake, Montero’s last two seasons will be really close. He’s still around 50 at bats short of what he had last year. The only large difference will be in doubles.

  96. Tar August 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    “What are the odds that one of our young guys gets a spot start in Sept. ?”

    MTU

    That’s a good question. Whoever it may be would have to on the 40 man correct? I would love to hear from some of our MILB experts on who gets the first start from our crop of young guns.

  97. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Mag-

    I think Warren may have earned a shot, or possibly Phelps.

    If Noesi were stretched out he’d be my 1st choice.

    We’ll see.

  98. Tar August 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Sorry, Mag beat me to it.

  99. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Yea, he’s not going to get to his doubles and he’s already struck out more than last year…..but I think he had to adjust to scouting reports most likely….part of developing. He’ll have to do the same in the big leagues.

  100. MG August 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    there was no way they could have played the day game in Baltimore today without putting the fans in jeopardy-the storm is heading directly towards the DC and Baltimore area with 100% probability of rain by 3PM.

    Hopefully it’s out of the way by tomorrow morning, once it’s through the rest of the series will be completed. Weather.com list the chance of precipitation for Sunday to be 10% with very high winds so it will be interesting baseball to watch.

  101. blake August 27th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I think Noesi could have done something similar to Nova this year had he been given the opportunity. I’d certainly bet he wouldn’t have a 5+ ERA

  102. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    I’d love to see Manny in a cameo appearance even though I know I won’t.

  103. MTU August 27th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Gotta run. Canyon time.

    Have a great day everyone. Stay safe.

    See ya’ later.

    :)

  104. Yankee Trader August 27th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Gotta go. If you’re in the path of Irene, stay safe.

  105. Madrugador August 27th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Noesi, being with the big league team for much of the year probably gets the first shot at a spot start in Sept. Like to see either Warren, Mitchell or Phelps get a chance but none of them are on the 40 man roster. Kontos would make a nice addition as a long man out of the pen but he too is not on the 40 man roster.

  106. tomingeorgia August 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    GB7,

    Did you get any rain as Irene went by?

  107. GreenBeret7 August 27th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Tom, I thought it was raining, but, no, it was just somebody spitting out their car window as they drove by.

  108. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    It’s already raining on LI………

  109. 108 stitches August 27th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    It seems odd that nothing is ever heard about Burnett going over video or special side sessions with Larry Rothschild yet Mariano only needs to be off a tick with his delivery and he goes to his pitching coach to make an adjustment.

  110. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Wow, can Olney sink any lower?

    On his twitter:

    Not the best time for NYY’s public protests about baseball schedule;Orioles’ org. has been paralyzed emotionally by Mike Flanagan’s suicide.”

    *** So the O’s have been paralyzed emotionally, but not enough to literally go out of their way to try and hurt the Yankees. Not only is this a disgusting implication by Olney that the Yankees don’t care about Flanny’s passing, but it also makes absolutely no sense. The path of least resistance for the O’s would have been for them to just acquiesce to the Yankees’ request based on logistics and decency, but instead they go out of their way to make things harder. I suspect Buster’s brain is paralyzed

  111. MG August 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Betsy, the O’s just returned from a 11 day, 10 game road trip to the West Coast and Minnesota with only 1 day off the entire month, I can understand their reluctance to schedule a doubleheader yesterday.

    At the same time, they should be more cooperative with the Yankees regarding the makeup game, there is no reason to play it until the end of the season, if necessary.

  112. 108 stitches August 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

    Cashman can and will get creative in opening up 40-man roster space to allow for 9/1 callups to be on the roster.

  113. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    MG, granted, but the Yankees are in an impossible situation as well. I just think they have no desire to make the Yankees’ life easier – and while that may be unfair, it’s a skepticism that has been well-earned.

    In any case, either forfeit or play the game at the end of the season if necessary – the Yankees can’t give up one of their off days and playing the evening before a WC trip is unacceptable.

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  115. Yogi Mantle August 27th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I read that Flanagan had talked to his wife prior to killing himself, indicating that he was upset over finances. Flanagan had talked to the Orioles about working for them, but they had no openings for him.

    Yet yesterday they “honor” Flanagan.

    The O’s are a classless organization.

    I think Olney is wrong. If the O’s had so valued Flanagan, why couldn’t they have helped him out with a job? Does some one committing suicide give the Orioles a free pass to be creeps?

  116. 86w183 August 27th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    The only fair or sensible solution is play it Monday if needed, but even that is problematic.

    MG makes a great point about the Orioles’ travel situation. Friday DH would have been brutal for them. Sept 8 is better than playing after the Seattle trip, so just play the damn thing.

    Olney is being a bit unfair because Granderson just answered questions. If the Yankees put out a news release with ownership/Cashman critical of the Orioles THAT would have been insensitive and classless, but for the Player’s Rep to answer the questions he was asked is not.

    I’m now a permanent member of the AJ must go club. The only way to trade him is to either eat most of the money or take on a bad contract in return. First Cashman needs to get AJ’s list of 10 teams he wont go do and then find some options.

  117. 86w183 August 27th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    The re-scheduling decision has nothing to do with Flanagan, but it’s wrong to blame the Yankees for being “insensitive” when a mega-millionaire wouldn’t create a position for a financially strapped former player/coach/GM.

    I don’t think the Yanks will give anyone new a start unless they totally give up on AJ. My bet is he becomes the emergency starter on DH days.

  118. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “Not the best time for NYY’s public protests about baseball schedule; Orioles’ org. has been paralyzed emotionally by Mike Flanagan’s suicide.”

    *************

    I could not agree with Olney more. It’s very distasteful to gripe about it publically.

  119. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Sherman was just on WFAN – I missed most of the conversation, but he made a good point about Colon. The Yankees should give him vacation from now until sometime in September to refresh his arm – IF his arm isn’t dead at this point. I don’t recall this, but Sherman mentioned that El Duque used to take vacations at certain points during the season so that he’d be fresh for the fall. As Sherman said, if Colon is right, he’s your # 2 in the playoffs – he’s not afraid of a big spot

  120. blake August 27th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Flanagan and the schedule really don’t have much to do with one another.

  121. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    I don’t think it’s fair to blame the O’s for Flanagan’s personal demons……. I don’t want to speculate on why he took his own life – but with a wife and family to live for, he must have been in bad shape. What a shame. I couldn’t be more disgusted with Olney for using this tragedy to criticize the Yankees.

  122. blake August 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    I agree that a little extra rest is worth a try with Bartolo…..

  123. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Blake, they have nothing to do with each other – it’s just a way for Buster Brown to knock the Yankees

  124. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    It’s unreasonable to suggest that an organization denying someone a job could possibly anticipate the person would end their life.

  125. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Sherman also said that all AJ has to do as the 5th starter is hand it over to the pen with a chance to win – and he can’t even do that. Well, with the DH and Boston coming up, I think he’s in the rotation for at least a couple of more weeks

  126. Ed Whitson August 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    All of this whining from the Yankees makes them look childish. The best way to get back at the O’s is to show up whenever and wherever and just beat them.

  127. JCPD August 27th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Somehow, whenever they play the makeup games, if they do, it will all work out. Just like despite all the whining and complaining about the schedule makers during spring training about the Yankees brutal August schedule. They only have 9 home games, waaaa. Well, they’ve played 8 of those and are a whopping 4 and 4, yet I believe they are 10 and 5 on the road.

  128. blake August 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    The Yankees have shown themselves to be the perhaps the most sensitive and first class organization in sports…..whenever there os a tragedy they are the first to step up and offer help……ususally before MLB themselves. When the shootings happened at Virginia Tech…..which team lead the charge…..same with Haiti and on down the line. Buster needs to think before he tweets.. this is a business issue as the Yankees are trying to win the division…..it has nothing to do with Flanagan…..though it was a tragic event.

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Ed Whitson says:
    August 27, 2011 at 11:49 am
    All of this whining from the Yankees makes them look childish. The best way to get back at the O’s is to show up whenever and wherever and just beat them.

    ****************

    Good post. Just show up when they tell you to and play the games.

  130. Shame Spencer August 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    It’s unreasonable to suggest that an organization denying someone a job could possibly anticipate the person would end their life.

    —————————–

    But its ok to suggest an organization is being intentionally disrespectful by trying to organize a sane approach to replaying cancelled games? These two issues are totally unrelated.

  131. Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Blake, exactly………..I don’t even know that it has to do with winning the division as much as it has to do with it being just unfair to any team, nevermind an older team. The Orioles are being completely inflexible, which is no surprise, but MLB could be a tad more accomodating.

  132. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    The Yankees should do so in private. And what is fair to them is not fair to others.

  133. MG August 27th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    I don’t know the details about the Mike Flanagan situation but he was working for MASN on some of the O’s broadcasts, it’s unfair to blame the O’s for not employing him in another capacity-he had been the VP of Baseball Operations at one time.

    It’s just a tragedy and the best thing any of us can do is feel badly about it without speculating on the causes or who was to blame-at the end of the day it helps no one.

  134. RadioKev August 27th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Betsy August 27th, 2011 at 11:07 am
    Wow, can Olney sink any lower?

    On his twitter:

    Not the best time for NYY’s public protests about baseball schedule;Orioles’ org. has been paralyzed emotionally by Mike Flanagan’s suicide.”
    ———–

    That’s pure garbage. Two completely unrelated events. The Yankees shouldn’t just roll over and give up their remaining off days because of the Os ridiculous and ignorant demands.

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Virginia Tech has nothing to do with this. Communicate your scheduling concurs privately instead of lambasting them in public the day Palmer is in tears about his friend in the booth and the entire Orioles organization is distraught.

  136. Shame Spencer August 27th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    A little hard to do things privately when the player reps from both teams are left uninformed of the decisions being made…again, the death of Flanagan is unrelated to making up rained out games. Period.

  137. MG August 27th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Virginia Tech has nothing to do with this. Communicate your scheduling concurs privately
    ——————————————-
    need another spelling lesson, troll? The word is CONCERNS

    your sister is calling from the Jersey Shore, it’s time to log off

  138. Shame Spencer August 27th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Maybe you should be a fan of a team not referred to as the “Evil Empire”…?

    The O’s have had a tough go of it schedule wise as well, but lets get real, in a couple weeks those guys will all be playing golf while we have other battles to fight. This is somehow a major point being left out of all of the discussion over rescheduling these games.

  139. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    If the Orioles were in New York under the same circumstances and publicly were griping about the Yankee organization and scheduling and A revered older Yankee had just passed away – the fans would be going ballistic and rightly so.

  140. Jacob Ruppert August 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    WCYF, has the twitTar (see what I did there?) caused any problems this morning. Also, I noticed BD has been calling you out. For your information, BD quit out of our fantasy football league last year. Get this, he was 4-0 and because he was the only person in the league that did not like a trade, he quit LOL

  141. 108 stitches August 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Where has the spineless Commissioner been through the re-scheduling of games affected by the hurricane ?

  142. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Typing on a cell phone MG. Dismissed.

  143. RadioKev August 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    108 stitches August 27th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    Where has the spineless Commissioner been through the re-scheduling of games affected by the hurricane ?
    ———

    Busy wasting his time playing poker with A-Rod.

    But wow, that’s just such a distasteful cop out from Olney.

  144. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Morning Jacob hope all is well where you are.

  145. MG August 27th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    Typing on a cell phone MG. Dismissed.
    —————–
    there is a very simple way to avoid being made to look like the fool you are, it’s as simple as not criticizing others for typos as a way of demeaning them.

    do we understand each other?

  146. blake August 27th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    WCYF,

    The media asked the Yankees about it and they answered the questions…..according to you that should always be the case right? The media has a right to know everything right. There are no secrets surrounding the Yankees and they do have a right to try and adjust the schedule so it favors them……as they are the ones these games matter for. Virginia Tech has as much to do with it as Flanagan does.

  147. Bronx Jeers August 27th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    I was at the game yesterday.

    After the 1st inning there was a short video tribute for Flanagan. The Yankees came out of the dugout and stood like soldiers. The O’s ? Not so much.

  148. RadioKev August 27th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    I think the Yanks were totally right to air this thing out publicly. They’ve been shafted how many times this season with the schedule? How many teams have publicly not cooperated? How is it even possible they don’t have any say at all?

    It’s sad that the Os lost someone close to their organization, but the Yanks can’t just roll over and give up their remaining off days because the Os are trying to stick it to us.

    It would be one thing if the Os were a respected baseball organization, but they aren’t.

  149. ET August 27th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    If it were only 1 game that we’re talking about… then they can just push it to the end of the season.

    At this point though, we could be talking about as many as 3 depending on what happens tomorrow.

  150. Jacob Ruppert August 27th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    BD, have you quit on anything lately? :)
    WCYF, I am doing well. Thanks for asking. Hope you are well. FYI, I love when you say Dismissed.

  151. jacksquat August 27th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Like I said before, it’s all about money.

    No doubleheader on Friday because it would have been short notice and day games on a weekday don’t draw as many fans, they are working.

    Same reason for no doubleheader on Monday.

    Same reason for wanting the doubleheader on Sunday, it’s a weekend and fans can come to the day game.

    Same reason for wanting a night game on Sept 8, it’s a weekday, they want a night game.

    I’m sure that’s the primary reasons for what the O’s want. However it’s also likely they don’t give a damn if they screw the Yankees in the process.

  152. jacksquat August 27th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Oh, and it’s also the reason they don’t want it tacked on the end of the season, could lose the gate entirely.

  153. Jacob Ruppert August 27th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    WOW

    That Brandon Allen Athletics guy that bombed Yanks just drilled an oppo shot off Lester. If he is nailing shots against Lester, he could be a star. Where did he come from?

  154. 86w183 August 27th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    I wasn’t implying the Orioles were at all responsible. Just that it’s inane to label the Yanks as the “insensitive” ones.

    There was no good solution here and the Orioles have every right to look after their self interests. the fact the Yankees have other make up games is not their problem.

    It’s dead wrong to criticize Granderson for answering questions, however. the Yanks WILL look petty and whiny if they continue griping tomorrow.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan August 27th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Answering a reporters questions is one thing, incessant whining given the timing is another. Just show up and play the games. The Orioles are looking out for their fans and financial interests.

    I can just imagine if it were Yogi and the situation was reversed.

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