No more rain, let’s play two
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 28, 2011 
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Baltimore seems to have survived the storm. It’s still pretty windy, but the rain has stopped. Not a bad day to play two.
Freddy Garcia starts tomorrow. CC Sabathia gets the first game in Boston.
Took a while to get a lineup, but it’s finally posted.
Derek Jeter DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Andruw Jones LF
Eduardo Nunez SS
Francisco Cervelli C
Right move saving CC for Boston.
Cashman’s bet is on young arms in the minors as we all know. Timing hasn’t really worked; all the years of poor drafting and dealing chips has come back to haunt us as the pipeline isn’t running yet.
Yep, C pitching at Boston makes much more sense.
Not sure about AJ in game 3 but if we win the 1st 2 must be the thinking..
WC, I think the pitching pipeline is already running. Two of our SP’s are homegrown, others would be in the mix, if we decided to play that hand, and it only gets better going forward.
It’s hard to believe Cashman dealt Arodys Vizcaino, Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn in the same deal for one year of Javier Vazquez.
I don’t think it’s so much the timing as Yankee philosophy of preferring veterans.
If they were patient enough, IPK, Hughes, and Joba would probably be in the rotation. This year Noesi could have started, but he’s being blocked by Freddie and Colon.
We have plenty of talent, but we’ll still go out and sign another big FA plus some Garcia/Colon type gambles.
MTU August 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Mick-
I couldn’t hold his jockstrap on my best day.
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Not with him in it!
The Yankee staff has the best ERA+ in the AL with a rotation most wrote off as a disaster over the winter and a bullpen that has suffered the loss of Joba, Feliciano, and good Soriano.
I’m pretty sure they will be alright in 2012 especially since the top young pitchers are a step closer.
# mick August 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
M, Ive been meaning to tell you the red X next to refresh stops the spinning wheel.
The standard for a pipeline in NY is to be dominating and it’s not running the way they hoped, Nova is the most promising based on performance, Joba and Hughes have had injury and performance issues and IPK is gone.
“I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
Oh yes I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin’ for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
Look all around, there’s nothin’ but blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothin’ but blue skies
I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin’ for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day”
And if we’re real lucky the Yankees will take 2.
he Yankee staff has the best ERA+ in the AL with a rotation most wrote off as a disaster over the winter and a bullpen that has suffered the loss of Joba, Feliciano, and good Soriano.
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And some here complain about our pitching this season, must be chronic complainers, that’s all..
Brett’s point is a really good one. What’s our (speculative) rotation in 2012?
It’s hard to believe Cashman dealt Arodys Vizcaino, Melky Cabrera and Mike Dunn in the same deal for one year of Javier Vazquez.
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Why is that hard to believe? If a pitcher became available that was having a season right now like Javy did you would be campaigning for the Yanks to gut the system to get their #2.
M and west coast Yankee fan my responce for what jeter and the players did is in the last thread.
Manny and Betances both need at least one full year of AAA ball in 2012. Cashman won’t get lucky again with the dumpster diving. For every Bartolo Colon there are 10 Sidney Ponsons.
LGY, CC is reliable as the day is long and Nova should be fine………….If Garcia is back, he’s solid. Who else is reliable?
10 Sidney Ponsons: 1 Bartolo Colon is one seriously high risk fatty acid profile.
Bret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4
Drummond mixtape
I know it’s gonna be tough to let him go but why don’t we just trade AJ straight up for Kershaw.
Sherman’s article on the reliability of the starters after CC is a good one…….
yanksfan111294 – that sounds like a blast who wouldn’t enjoy that! Congrats. (I would have had the waiter send Jeter a piece of burnt toast as a joke.)
West Coast Yankee Fan August 28th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Brett’s point is a really good one. What’s our (speculative) rotation in 2012?
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The topic is like taboo or something.
Betsy,
Who is reliable this year?
They key to the Yankees is they have the pitching depth to cover up poor performance.
“Why is that hard to believe? If a pitcher became available that was having a season right now like Javy did you would be campaigning for the Yanks to gut the system to get their #2.”
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There were tons of Yankee fans screaming “no” about that deal. Bad memories of Javy and questioning whether NL success would translate into AL success.
Why is it taboo Bret ?
Seems like we speculate about it all the time around here.
It a major source of amusement.
jeffzrebiecsun Showalter also used the term hypocritical and wondered how the yankees would have handled things if they lost one of their greats. about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite
***I didn’t think it was possible for Showalter to sink any lower, but he continues to play Limbo with himself. Clearly the Yankees have never lost one of their own………..and besides, I think it’s disgraceful how he is using poor Mike Flanagan as an excuse for the O’s obstinacy in the face of Irene.
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There were tons of Yankee fans screaming “no” about that deal. Bad memories of Javy and questioning whether NL success would translate into AL success.
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And none of those things turned out to be the reason why Javy wasn’t successful.
Colon and Freddy have gotten us close to 20 wins, Nova should get 15, CC is CC…we have been blessed and with a FA and our future ahead of us you have to positive.
Oh right, he just happened to suck.
I wouldn’t rule out Colon or Garcia for next year. Hughes might be all the way back and I’m sure they’ll investigate possible trades for prospective free agents like Danks, Grienke, Cain, Anibel Sanchez and others.
I hope they move AJ either by eating a lot of $$$ or taking on another bad contract in a classic “change of scenery” type deal. Carlos Lee, Jason Bay, Alphonso Soriano, Derek Lowe, Alex Rios and Barry Zito are just a few examples. They have varying $$ and years obviously and that would have to be taken into account.
But worrying aobut 2012 is what Nov-Feb is for…. I want to see how 2011 plays out first.
LGY, we’re talking about 2012. I don’t think Colon will be back and even if he is, are we going to get the performances from him that we got for most of this year? I don’t see AJ as being much better. Phil still has a lot to prove. Garcia I think would be good, but would he be as good? The pitching depth you speak of is in the minors and you seem to be assuming that the Yankees would just plug in one of these kids in the rotation next year and they’d be very good.
**I didn’t think it was possible for Showalter to sink any lower, but he continues to play Limbo with himself. Clearly the Yankees have never lost one of their own
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Watch out for a double pasting today …enough is enough.
West coast Yankee fan I didn’t get to him that much just when he was leaving and coming back in he would have a small conversation, but my grandma went in his room and spoke to him for a while. But I had a small conversation with just about every Yankee, a lot of the coaches, Joanna Garcia, Robertson and c.c.s wife. Only people I didn’t talk 2 were tex, Cano, calon and soriano. It was an awesome think to experience.
Oh right, he just happened to suck.
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Actually he lost over 2 mph on his fastball.
Simple as that.
Showalter was right. I said the other day I can only imagine what the reaction would be if heaven forbid it was Yogi and the Orioles were making a big stink about the schedule that day.
Jackson August 28th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Bret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4
Drummond mixtape
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Thanks for the link! I’ve watched 3 of his mixed video tapes already and I just am floored by how skilled he is for a big man. 6’11″ 275 pounds and he cuts to the hoop like a SF.
He’s your number 1 pick in the NBA draft.
And right now Jeremy Lamb is looking like an unstoppable scorer.
We all know the defense at UCONN will be the best in the country but it’s the inside outside game between Drummond and Lamb that will shock and awe.
yanksfan111294 August 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
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where did you stay?
Whatever the “technical” reason, Javy sucked and most fans called that.
M, did you see my message?
I’m hoping AJ will not be back.
I’d like to see that spot opened up for someone productive.
Did you really just compare Mike Flanagan to Yogi? Seriously?
Jim Palmer or Brooks Robinson might fit, but not Mike Flanagan.
Buck would have pulled the same stunt whether or not Flanny passed.
He still thinks Yanks done him wrong.
Shouldn’t have left Coney in for 162 pitches…
I doubt Yogi will kill himself…
Mike: intercontinental. Oh a.j. burnett was also no where to be found
Whatever the “technical” reason, Javy sucked and most fans called that.
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That’s like predicting Hurricane Irene was coming because the world was coming to an end.
You don’t get credit for nonsensical predictions or get to criticize Cashman based on them.
yanksfan
walking distance to Camden?
Oh a.j. burnett was also no where to be found
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he was in the comfort of his home
Jackson,
AWESEOME mix. Drummond is brilliant. UCONN is going to be scary for the rest of the NCAA. Kentucky, Ohio State and UNC no doubt have to be seriously worried about this UCONN team. I mean, Oriakhi at power forward next to this guy? It’s not fair, really.
Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, and Sully, are all going to be tough to beat for #1 but he’s up there. Drummond reminds me of a Chris Webber more than a Dwight Howard but upside is ridiculous.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 28th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Showalter was right. I said the other day I can only imagine what the reaction would be if heaven forbid it was Yogi and the Orioles were making a big stink about the schedule that day.
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Load of crap. Sorry to the Os organization for their loss, but they are two different issues. It wreaks havoc with the Yankees schedule down the stretch. The Os aren’t playing for ANYTHING, it’s easy for them to shrug it off.
The Yanks have released statements about Flanagan, the team paid the respects, what more do they want exactly? Using a dead man as a reason to defend a stupid decision is pretty disrespectful in my opinion.
Betsy,
It’s not about assuming a kid will be very good. It’s about having the depth to cover up injuries or if they are not very good.
The Yankees have an Ace at the front, some emerging young pitchers behind him, the money to evaluate the FA market and sign someone, the pieces to make a trade, and numerous pitchers in the minors who are capable of stepping up if need be.
It’s difficult to look at this organization and not be very excited about the pitching staff going forward.
86w183 August 28th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
I wouldn’t rule out Colon or Garcia for next year. Hughes might be all the way back and I’m sure they’ll investigate possible trades for prospective free agents like Danks, Grienke, Cain, Anibel Sanchez and others.
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The Brewers and Giants are competitors. They won’t trade their frontline starters in the winter. So basically the Yankees will be looking at Danks and Anibel Sanchez.
86w183 August 28th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Did you really just compare Mike Flanagan to Yogi? Seriously? Jim Palmer or Brooks Robinson might fit, but not Mike Flanagan.
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Since when is personal tragedy qualified by status? To the Orioles it was obviously a huge deal. The salient point, as Larry David has pointed out many times, is you don’t publicly go after someone for a trite reason when they are grieving.
So CC gets Lackey
Hughes gets Beckett
Noesi gets a 3 inning stint on 9/1 and some AAA pitcher/pitchers get a few innings in vs TBD
And hopefully AJ gets to stay in his Maryland home until the Yankees come back to NY on the 2nd.
LGY
Isn’t Jamie Moyer available next year?
Since when is personal tragedy qualified by status? To the Orioles it was obviously a huge deal. The salient point, as Larry David has pointed out many times, is you don’t publicly go after someone for a trite reason when they are grieving.
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Didn’t LD try to steal a deadman’s golf club out of the casket?
The Yankees buried a current teammate and played a game that night but the O’s couldn’t play a game because a former player had passed.
Not buying what Buck’s selling.
LGY, I’m just going to have to wait and see how all these young, emerging pitchers do. For 2012, IMO, that is one shaky rotation.
Noesi gets a 3 inning stint on 9/1
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If Noesi goes down for Freddy tmw can he get back in time?
Who are these emerging pitchers by the way? Banuelos and Betances?
mick
LOL. Moyer and Garcia could have a competition in ST for slowest fastball.
On the downside we would have to suffer through Kay repeating the word “crafty” about a million times over the course of the season.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 28th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Whatever the “technical” reason, Javy sucked and most fans called that
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well, you certainly weren’t one of them:
Tue, 2009-12-22 11:01 – redfish
Well, good move. Vasquez will be a decent number three or four starter and Melky is easy to replace, he was never anything more than an average major league outfielder.
Huge hole in left field now. Damon’s bridge is burnt and no way does Gardner get anointed as a starter. Next move Cashman?
Tue, 2009-12-22 12:26 – redfish
This is a very good trade which strengthens our rotation a great deal. We traded Melky Cabrera for god’s sake, he’s just an average, journeymen ballplayer. The minor leaguers are not important at all, we still have all the key guys intact.
We have enough money left to sign a left-fielder and Mark Derosa will be it. He’s a perfect fit for us.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....tml?page=8
I mean, Oriakhi at power forward next to this guy? It’s not fair, really.
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AO is a beast. And Drummond just turned 18, nasty potential.
Betsy,
Nova and Hughes.
Don’t you think the rotation is shaky right now? Yet they continue to chug along and perform as one of the best in the AL.
The Orioles didn’t use the tragedy. The Yankees opened that can of worms and thy did so publicly. They could have done so behind closed doors. They also knew that a protest was absolutely meaningless and therefore it served no purpose for Girardi to sit there and whine about it for ten minutes after the game. Here’s how I would have recommended they handle it.
Reporter: Many think the Orioles position on the scheduling was unfair, what are your thoughts?
Girardi: This is a sad day for the Orioles organization and baseball. We’ll discuss it with them privately at the appropriate time. Thanks.
I think its a couple of blocks from camden yards. A block from the water front there. And burnett didn’t show up to the team meeting I’m pretty sure. Tex wasn’t staying at the hotel also, but he came to the hotel for the meeting.
” No way we won’t have strong pitching next year. We have not only system guys, but trade chips if someone viable becomes available, and likely we’ll retain one of Colon/Freddy. I am not worried about next year at all.”
yankeefeminista-
“The Times They Are A-Changin ”
LOL. Moyer and Garcia could have a competition in ST for slowest fastball.
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LGY
Actually if you pitched Freddy as the #5 and Moyer as 4, Freddy would look like Nolan Ryan.
I do think Cash goes after Moyer, a Jimmy Key type.
The thing I love most about the UCONN big men is they are not clumsy at all. They will not commit bad fouls. They will bang around down low and demoralize smaller, weaker frontcourts. There will be nothing opponents can do about it. Oriakhi and Drummond will feast on the boards, dominate on defense and wear out other teams. Then Lamb will swoop in and dunk all over their faces. UCONN is looking like a juggernaut.
Moyer will be 49 in November.
He’s a perfect fit.
They can get him cheap.
mick August 28th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Moyer will be 49 in November.
He’s a perfect fit.
They can get him cheap.
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LGY, Nova for sure, but I’m not counting my Hughes chickens until they hatch.
Yeah, the rotation is shaky – but we’ve chugged along because for most of the season we’ve had an excellent Colon and a terrific Garcia. Will Nova be as good next year? Maybe so – but as I said, I don’t think Colon will be back and if Garcia is, I doubt he pitches to a 3. something ERA (not that I don’t think he’ll be good).
Moyer threw 450+ innings from 07-09.
With a new Tommy John , his arm will be refreshed and ready.
And lets not forget about Shabazz Napier who is lightening fast. The only player on the team who compares is his backup Ryan Boatright. UCONN compliments a massive, skilled disciplined front court with an up tempo, high energy, deep back court. The team is so well-rounded it’s disgusting.
make that 550+ innings.
New York Yankees: The High School Years
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ent.1.html
Tex and Grandy still look the same.
Not good news for this blog:
(AP) “Yes, it sounds trippy, but one of the strange aftermaths of a hurricane is an increased amount of mushrooms popping up — especially the psilocybin — or “magic” kind — the ones that cause hallucinations.”
Tex looks exactly the same ……exactly
Betsy,
The Yankees have maybe the best pitching in the AL this season. They don’t need to be as good.
They can be worse than this year and still be perfectly fine. Or maybe they will be better!
Betsy,
Next year’s rotation at SWB will be occupied entirely by major league prospects. I can’t remember that happening at the AAA for the Yankees in a very long time. They have Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Banuelos and Betances in that rotation. Their AA rotation will also be made up entirely of legitimate major league prospects.
As to next year’s rotation, it’s too early to worry about it now.
Not good news for this blog:
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why is that bad news?
The Orioles manager is currently blasting the Yankees, using the tragedy as a reason to call them hypocritical.
How is that not using the tragedy? The Yankees have only said absolutely nothing controversial regarding Flanagan’s death, they’ve treated it with respect, but games still need to be played.
Plenty of people have to handle or deal with tragedy, yet go to work the next day, continue on with their lives. I sympathize for anyone that has to do that, but it is a fact of life that the world will not stop for you.
They made a stupid decision in the face of a natural disaster, no less.
Who needs ‘em. We’ve got all the Peyote we need out this way.
Lot’s of cactus.
Let’s Play Ball!!
Jamie Moyer won 42 games from 07-09.
Just what we need at the #4.
And consider this…UCONN’s starting small forward (Roscoe Smith) in 2011-12 had 51 blocks last season. 51 blocks for a small forward in a college season. Who is going to put up big points against Drummond, Oriakhi and Roscoe? Nobody. Especially not after chasing around Napier, Lamb and Boatright all game long and having to guard the perimeter and the paint on every trip down the floor.
Jamie Moyer need 33 wins for 300 and the HOF.
Perfect fit, 2 year deal.
Craw, that’s very true……..but I’m taking a wait and see attitude (which, despite some people’s claims, is not the same as being negative). As to next year, yeah it’s early – the topic was brought up, so I responded to it, but no – I haven’t been sitting around thinking about 2012 just yet.
mtu, how’s that peyote treating you?
Calhoun his a mastermind.
LGY, I guess we’ll have to see – I don’t see it as you do, but I guess there’s no point in worrying about something that’s so many months away
Bret, a lot of it is going to come down to Napier’s decision making in clutch spots. Remember, UCONN went 9-9 in the Big East last year. They had a historic run in the division tourney led by Kemba.
betsy would you consider yourself the conservative type?
He really is a treasure.
Don’t tell Levine and Hal that Moyer is still around.
“Craw, that’s very true……..but I’m taking a wait and see attitude (which, despite some people’s claims, is not the same as being negative). As to next year, yeah it’s early – the topic was brought up, so I responded to it, but no – I haven’t been sitting around thinking about 2012 just yet.”
The only thing I know is that certain naysayers stated the Yankees wouldn’t win 90 games this year and would miss the playoffs. As to next year, we’ll just have to wait and watch the games be played.
why not, he’s comin here…
It’s giving me visions of #28.
Enjoy the game folks.
The O’s are a joke of an organization and very unprofessional. Not wanting to play a DHer on Friday was 100% about money and screwing the Yanks comes in as a close 2nd. Buck who does interviews about “hating the Yankees” while his team has a 52-77 record should put as much effort into winning games.
Calhoun is a fan of the Red Sox, lied about the Yankees organization asking him to throw out a first pitch for Yanks, and commits many recruiting violations. Geno Auriemma is the true mastermind.
Jackson,
I totally agree with your sentiment. The only thing standing in the way of a repeat is Shabazz Napier. He will have to elevate his game and play with more conviction. He did play erratic for much of last season but I think it’s a huge plus Calhoun increased his playing time significantly towards the end of the year in order to rest Kemba Walker. That experience will come in handy for Shabazz and I feel fully confident he will grow and mature as a point under Calhoun. He has NBA potential. He has to go for it. If not, Boatright will be given a greater share of his minutes. And Boatright is a pass-first point guard with polish. We do need Shabazz to keep his head in the game and not rush plays. He played very composed late last year when it mattered most.
CC is the winner of that High School pic article
MG August 28th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
What an SD. Must be tough being alone.