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No Jeter or A-Rod in lineup

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hector Noesi not listed in the bullpen. Looks like he was optioned for Freddy Garcia.

For some reason Mark Teixeira is not listed for batting practice, but he’s in the lineup.

Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Eric Chavez 3B
Russell Martin C
Eduardo Nunez SS





67 Responses to “No Jeter or A-Rod in lineup”

  1. blake August 29th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Bernie had a better career so far than Granderson has….his 30 year old season was pretty darn good also.


    We have to see how the “new Granderson” does in the coming years….but to.this.point advantage Bernie.

  2. blake August 29th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    They better get Noesi back before AJs next start.

  3. mick August 29th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    blake–ajs next start is 9/1…hint, hint

  4. Erin August 29th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Well, Noesi shouldn’t feel too bad-he’ll be back in what- 3 days? ;)

  5. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Loved watching williams, but, inspite of having near world class speed, he was as bad as it gets stealing bases and base running judgment. He was about an average center fielder early on, but, that speed covered a lot of crimes. when the speed left, so did his defense. Throwing wasn’t that bad until be buggered up both shoulders. Man, could he hit, though. I think those shoulders robbed him of a lot of his power, too.

  6. blake August 29th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Ah yes…..I forgot about that. They should bring up the whole SWB staff for Thursday

  7. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Bernie or Grandyman?


    Not even close. Going forward, I’d take half of Bernie over “Grandyman”. Bernie was amazing, while CG is having an amazing few months.
    Is anyone surprised if he backs up this season just like he did his last good season? Put together two or three years like Bernie put up, in New York, and we can have this debate. Till then, the “Grandyman” can carry Bernie’s guitar case for him.

  8. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Erin, usually a demotion is 10 days, unless an injury forces a recall. Not sure about the roster expansions on 1 September, though.

  9. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I wonder if Jeter will miss any of the Boston games?

  10. Erin August 29th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    GB-yeah, I figured with the rosters expanding Thursday he’d be able to come right back. We shall see…

  11. yankeefeminista August 29th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Congrats to Bernie.

    GB, good news about GCL’s win. Encinas pitched well and that’s one heckuva lineup.

  12. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Erin, I’m hoping that Chad can get an answer. Either way, the seson ends this week I believe. No playoffs for Scranton or trenton.

  13. blake August 29th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Yea….Granderson has more power and is probably a better defender and baserunner…..but Bernie could flat out rake in his prime.

  14. LGY August 29th, 2011 at 4:09 pm


    Yeah the key for Grandy is continuing this level of production but he gets bonus points for killing the ball in an offensively depressed environment.

  15. GreenBeret7 August 29th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    yankeeFem, it will be interesting to see who goes to Charleston/Tampa (High A) next year and who goes to Staten island or extended spring training. Somebody’s going to have a great team. Too bad that Rvel Santana will likely miss so much time.

  16. Warning Track Power August 29th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    both injuries to Jeter and ARod have me concerned.

  17. blake August 29th, 2011 at 4:12 pm


    Yea….if Grandy puts up 2 or 3 of these seasons in a row then we can debate it.more evenly. From 96-02 Bernie was really good. Pretty much ages 27-33.

  18. LGY August 29th, 2011 at 4:12 pm


    You are underselling his transformation and performance.

    What Grandy has done dating back to last August is better than any year of Bernie especially when you consider the run scoring environment.

  19. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    OPS+ is OPS (OBP + SLG) normalized to the league average. Basically keeps your OPS in the context of what other hitters did that year.

    Bernie Williams averaged a 146 OPS+ during his prime (95-02).

    Granderson has done that once. This year.

    Not really a fair comparison. Bernie was awesome.

  20. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Bernie’s peak OPS+ was 160 in ’98. Granderson is at 154 as of today.

  21. Jerkface August 29th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Bernie Williams had like a 8-9 year peak of OPSing .900 in CF. He should be in the hall.

  22. Niblick August 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Bernie, no doubt about it. Although I think Grandy can hit better than Bernie can today.

  23. MG August 29th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
    Villa – Good stuff.

    No one makes fun of a scientist for knowing more about science than you do. No one thinks it’s condescending when a scientist tells you how something actually works.

    No one makes fun of an english teacher when they correct your grammar or spelling because they understand it better than you do, even though you think you can speak and read/write.

    No one thinks a historian is insulting them when they remember things that no one else would possibly remember.
    there is at least one major flaw in this argument-what credentials do you or any other blog poster have that would substantiate your claims based on what many consider to be invalid statistics?

  24. LGY August 29th, 2011 at 4:23 pm


    Bernie only played 128 games in 98.

  25. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:29 pm


    You are underselling his transformation and performance.


    I’m doing no such thing. I just asked for a couple seasons that match Bernie’s not just this one and one five years ago, with a bunch of mediocrity in between.
    Like the MVP voters, I’ll believe Granderson when it keeps going, but for now, he’s just having an amazing year.
    Call it batting stance, transformation, getting the hands in, or whatever you want, if he wants the comparison to be closer, he’ll keep it up. That’s all. I’m not selling him short at all. I just would like to see it repeated, that’s all.

  26. Niblick August 29th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    With the demotion of Noesi and Binder Joe’s stubborn insistence on starting his #2 AJ at Fenway, it looks like Binder Joe is ready to tank the AL East, just as he did last year. Worked out great last year, didn’t it? Not.

  27. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    I’d also like to see him not fold when Boston is the other team.


    He is even worse at Fenway, hitting at about .200/.385/.400/.785

    Wanna be compared to Bernie? Try hitting in the big games.

  28. mick August 29th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Tanking it would have been starting CC tonite on reg. rest then throwing Hughes , AJ and Freddy(no need on 9/1 to send Noesi down)

  29. Jason Voorhees August 29th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Yankees made it further in the post season than the team that won th AL East. Better arguments, please.

  30. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    With the demotion of Noesi and Binder Joe?s stubborn insistence on starting his #2 AJ at Fenway, it looks like Binder Joe is ready to tank the AL East, just as he did last year. Worked out great last year, didn?t it? Not.

    Last year, there was a definite number two. Now, not so much. Pettite > everyone not named CC.

  31. Niblick August 29th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Joe tanked the team deliberately and they didn’t make the world series. It’s not relevant what the other team did. You can’t lay down for a couple of weeks and then expect to regain your mojo.

  32. Howard August 29th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Yankees made it further in the post season than the team that won th AL East. Better arguments, please.

    That was more indicative of the opponent, not the winners of the division. The Yankees lucked out in that sense. Since the same team sent them home as well.

  33. mick August 29th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    No matter what a mgr does there is nothing like a good old fashioned pennant race, winner take all, 1978 style.
    The wild card changed that forever.

  34. Niblick August 29th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Another way to look at the Bernie – Granderson comparison: Bernie had a lifetime OPS+ of 125. Granderson managed to reach that level only once before this year.

  35. Niblick August 29th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    mick – just wait until they add an extra round of playoffs, with more wild cards. NBA, here we come.

  36. mick August 29th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    It’s only natural to manage differently, i.e. resting players if you have the wc clinched.
    One game in the playoffs at home is not like football’s hfa.

  37. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    LGY – More games does not improve OPS…

    MG – You are looking for too hardline of an answer to this, a common problem… but when someone is presenting things is an very appropriate manner (not misusing the stats) it doesn’t deserve the disdain of those that don’t understand it. Do you check the credentials of every person that tells you something all day at your job? No, because you assume that someone wouldn’t be speaking completely out of their butt in that environment. I’m not trying to say there are experts around here that should be listened to without question… but the posters here that try to bring these things up get RAILED on by everyone here that doesn’t know how to use the numbers, people don’t even attempt to take them into consideration which is all anyone should ever be doing anyway. Dismissing another persons point of view because they may have a better understanding of something is pure and total ignorance. Just say, I don’t understand it… not “you’re crazy and wrong and how could you think you can watch a baseball game by reading stats and you’re an idiot and your live in your mothers basement”.

    They are a tool, a supplement to watching baseball. Not a replacement. That is the hard line every non-saber person tries to draw. “You use stats? You must not ever actually watch baseball.” How absurd is that? I watch more baseball than you could imagine, and I supplement that with the wealth of knowledge at my fingertips to give me what I believe is a much better understanding of the game than someone who does not care to trouble themselves with those things.

    Example time again… Everyone here uses a computer, how many people actually understand how they work? Sure any old bat could tell you how to turn one on, click on a button… open a web browser… but that doesn’t give them any intrinsic knowledge on how it works, just like ‘watching baseball” isn’t enough to claim a bold understanding of the game. When you break your computer and the 11 year old kid down the street fixes it while laughing at you, do you ask him for his credentials first? No, you assume that he knows how it works because he has taken the time to learn how to fix things on it. Do you expect him to have the same basic level of understanding you do as an observer, or have read a book and never touched a computer in his life? No. He uses the computer, he reads about the computer, he learns how it works and he can derive solutions from that knowledge.

    Fast forward to baseball. We sit here every day attempting to “predict what will come”. What knowledge is that based on? Who’s opinion do you take on that matter? The person sitting there “watching” the game? The person sitting there “reading moneyball”? Or the person doing both…

  38. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Holy… I am really sorry about that wall of text.

  39. Erin August 29th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Joe tanked the team deliberately and they didn?t make the world series.


    umm…yeah, OK. :roll:

  40. mick August 29th, 2011 at 4:52 pm


    2 wc teams- one game playoff.
    then wc vs best record, 4 games home for best record.

  41. m August 29th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Olney has an Insider article on the AL MVP.

    Can someone give us a spark notes version?

    Thanks. :)

  42. Tarheel In NYC August 29th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    mick August 29th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    “No matter what a mgr does there is nothing like a good old fashioned pennant race, winner take all, 1978 style.
    The wild card changed that forever.”


    That was a great game! I was 11 years old, and I remember rushing home from school to watch since it was a day game.

    I can still see Graig Nettles catching the pop up in foul territory for the final out. They celebrated like it was Game 7 of the WS :)

    My brother gave me a DVD of that game for my birthday several years ago, and I like to watch when I’m feeling a little nostalgic. And it’s still exciting!

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan August 29th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Olney on AL MVP:

    We may never have seen an MVP race quite like what we’re seeing in the American League this year, because of the diversity in the field of possible winners. There is a candidate for many different constituencies, from the SABR crowd, to the rival camps of Red Sox and Yankees fans, to fans who believe that a great starting pitcher is the most valuable commodity in the game.

    The debate won’t only be about the best MVP candidate, but also what exactly defines the Most Valuable Player. In recent years, there has been an evolution in the Cy Young voting, away from the win column and toward other metrics. Because there is such a broad cast of MVP candidates in the AL, some clarity will probably be found this year in exactly how voters, in 2011, weigh the varying strengths of players as they cast their ballots.

    If the voters want to pick the guy with the best numbers, there is a clear front-runner. If they want to pick the best player with the best team, there is a nice array of possibilities. If they want to consider how much one player’s success impacts whether his team makes the postseason, there is an excellent candidate.

    During Sunday Night Baseball, I sent out a tweet asking followers to present their MVP front-runners, and the results looked like something out of an early Iowa caucus, with the votes cast all over the place, like corn stalks.

    With 4½ weeks remaining in the season, the platforms for the candidates are being constructed. Here’s a look at each:

    Why you would pick Jose Bautista: Because he is the best overall player in the league, and there really isn’t any debate on that. He’s got the highest OPS by a margin of more than 100 points, and his on-base percentage is 46 points higher than that of Adrian Gonzalez, 54 points higher than that of Dustin Pedroia, 76 points higher than that of Curtis Granderson and 83 points higher than that of Jacoby Ellsbury. Jose Bautista is getting the full backing of the baseball constituency that is glued to the numbers: Bautista ranks No. 1 in WAR, at 7.8. Ellsbury, Pedroia and Granderson rank 2, 3 and 4, respectively, in WAR, while Gonzalez ranks sixth in the AL.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Bautista: Because the Blue Jays basically have been out of contention since the outset of the season, and in the past, the Most Valuable Player Award has almost always been viewed through the prism of team success. Many voters have assigned value in the MVP race according to how important they believe a player has been to his team’s ability to contend. This is why Kirk Gibson won the MVP in 1988, and why Willie Stargell was a co-MVP in 1979. The argument against players in Bautista’s situation has always been: He might not have been as valuable as a guy on a first-place team because, after all, his team didn’t win.

    There have been occasional examples of players on non-contending teams who have won the MVP, from Andre Dawson in 1987 to Cal Ripken in 1991.

    Why you would choose Adrian Gonzalez: It’s very possible that he’s going to win the AL batting title, for the team with the best record in the AL, and he is likely to finish No. 1 or No. 2 in RBIs. In addition, his impact on the Boston defense has been extraordinary, in the eyes of folks who work for the Red Sox.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Gonzalez: Perhaps three of the top six candidates for MVP are members of the Boston Red Sox, which creates an interesting question for voters as they establish the standards for their own ballot: Can a player be an MVP if he’s surrounded by such a powerful supporting cast? In other words, could Boston still have been a great team — a contender — without Gonzalez? (Or Pedroia, or Ellsbury, for that matter?)

    Why you would choose Curtis Granderson: At this moment, the Yankees’ center fielder leads the AL in home runs (38), runs (121), extra-base hits (68) and RBIs (107). He’s also stolen 24 bases, while manning a prime defensive position.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Granderson: His batting average of .278 would rank among the lowest in history for award winners, and just as with the Red Sox MVP candidates, his status is impacted by all the firepower around him in the Yankees’ lineup. Could the Yankees — with Mark Teixeira, Robinson Cano, Brett Gardner, Nick Swisher, etc. — still have been a serious playoff contender without Granderson? You could argue: Yes.

    Why you would choose Jacoby Ellsbury: He has had an incredible season, after making up his mind that he’d look to do damage in hitters’ counts. Ellsbury has 61 extra-base hits, a .312 average, 36 stolen bases, 95 runs scored. His UZR/150 rating is the best among center fielders, according to FanGraphs. While Ellsbury rates at 19.4 among center fielders, Granderson actually has posted some of the worst UZR/150 numbers among players at his position.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Ellsbury: On-base percentage is probably the backbone offensive stat, and Ellsbury ranks 16th in that category. And his candidacy will be hurt by the power of the lineup around him.

    Why you would choose Dustin Pedroia: He has the second-highest WAR among any player on a contending team, behind Ellsbury, and at least one of his defensive metrics is the best among any middle infielder in the major leagues. When the Red Sox struggled very early, it was Pedroia who held them together, and Boston’s midseason takeoff seemed to coincide with that of Pedroia, who started crushing the ball after a doctor checked his knee and gave him some injections.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Pedroia: See Gonzalez and Ellsbury.

    Why you would choose Justin Verlander: He has been the best starting pitcher in the majors this year, and quite simply, the Tigers would be a different team without him, and arguably in a very different place. In the games he has started, Detroit is 21-8; in the games all other pitchers have started, the Tigers are 52-52. He has had an immeasurable impact on the Detroit bullpen because of his consistency, and his innings — he’s thrown 215? innings, and he has never failed to give the Tigers at least six innings in each of his 29 starts; he has one more quality start than Jered Weaver.

    Comparing the impact of pitchers and hitters can be an apples-to-oranges discussion; as many voters (and position players) will point out, a starting pitcher works only once every five days. But here’s a number worth thinking about when considering how integral a great starter can be to success: Verlander has been involved in 830 plate appearances this year; the AL leaders, among position players, are at about 600.

    You could probably make this statement with greater certainty about Verlander than any other player in the AL: Without him, his team wouldn’t be in first place.

    Why you wouldn’t choose Verlander: Because he’s a pitcher, and history tells us that starting pitchers almost never win the MVP Award. The last was Roger Clemens, 25 years ago, and part of the reason is that usually some voters will not seriously consider pitchers for this award. Pedro Martinez had an excellent chance to win in 1999, but two voters left him off their ballots entirely — all 10 spots. And it could be that some voters, in determining the standards for themselves, may decide to place Verlander behind the top position players, in the lower half of their ballot, or they may not consider him at all. As we know from 1999, all it takes to sink a candidacy is a couple of voters.

    If I had a vote today, I’d pick Verlander, but couldn’t possibly quibble with the other choices. No matter who wins, the debate will be fascinating.

    • Thoughts and prayers go out to all those impacted by Irene. Among those, the two communities in which I was raised in Vermont — the greater Woodstock and Randolph areas — have been absolutely devastated by floodwaters. The folks in those places will always have the strength to rebuild, because that is who they are.

    And today will be better than yesterday.

  44. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Irreverent Discourse -

    Please do not take this the wrong way – but an 11-year-old fixing a computer is probably not where you want to go for a comparison. I have to LOL because most toddlers, let alone 11-year olds who grew up in the internet age, seem to be able to do things with DVD players, VCRs, computers and all manner of electronics, but they have NOT taken any TIME to STUDY how to do these things. They seem to just KNOW!!! :)

    (Actually they’ve grown up with the stuff so they have no fear of “breaking” it.)

  45. MG August 29th, 2011 at 4:59 pm


    (a) I don’t predict baseball, I prefer to watch and comment. I believe the only thing you can predict in baseball is that, at the end of the season, which teams will likely be in the playoffs based on the overall strength of the team. The playoffs are a completely new season and whichever team(s) are hot will make it to the WS, at which time you are starting over completely again.

    (b) I can only speak for myself and find the Saber-head proclamations of an individual stat that supports their argument to be both condescending and shortsighted.

    (c) We’ve never disagreed on this blog, right?

    As for the rest of your comments, including those about an 11 year old kid knowing more than me about a computer, that’s a generalization and a bunch of crap. I worked in the computer chip industry for 25 years and have plenty of friends and co-workers now in their late 50′s all the way through their mid-70′s that are both relevant and fully up to date on today’s technology.

    You’ll have to excuse me for raising issues about credentials, education, and experience, that’s how I was taught all through my education and business career to develop respect for others and is something that is just as relevant today as it was 40 years ago.

  46. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    As for the rest of your comments, including those about an 11 year old kid knowing more than me about a computer, that’s a generalization and a bunch of crap. I worked in the computer chip industry for 25 years

    You uh… missed my point then. This is not about you.

  47. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    As for MVP – I love Grandy and would be extremely happy if he gets it. But if AGon or Bautista or Verlander get it, I could not really disagree with any of those choices.

    And, it would never take away the enjoyment I’ve gotten out of watching Granderson play everyday for the New York Yankees. Who wins awards isn’t a strictly controllable thing. And why one particular player gets the award over another in any particular year is so subjective. So, I really love the fact that Granderson was a serious contender; I wish Cano was more in the conversation; and in the long run, it’s just fun to watch a guy having a great year!

  48. blake August 29th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    “Bernie Williams had like a 8-9 year peak of OPSing .900 in CF. He should be in the hall.”

    Yes…..and this is where the HOF process irritates me. I think if we are going to.reward certain players to compiling arbitrary numbers when they may not have had any truly dominant period……then we should do the same for the players that were dominant for shorter periods as well.

    If the goal is to put the top 1% in…..then a great peak should have value. I do think you need to have some longevity …..but I think yearly averages…..and peak years performance should be valued more strongly.

  49. Erin August 29th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    ; I wish Cano was more in the conversation;


    you and me both. :)

  50. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    (b) I can only speak for myself and find the Saber-head proclamations of an individual stat that supports their argument to be both condescending and shortsighted.

    You are welcome to think that, but don’t forget that when you bring “observer level knowledge” to a “statistical” arguement… and call those people blind fools for having their “nose stuck in a book” you are being just as rude. The street runs both ways.

    I would have gone with the climate change example (bible-thumpers don’t get to debate science. SCIENTISTS do.) but I figured that would be a little touchy.

  51. Mr. Jaggers August 29th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Joe didn’t take games- that suggest “an on purpose” component, but in balancing gains and benefits he favored keeping guy healthy and rested/ As to how it worked out if you buy the “tank” theory it worked perfectly as minnesota was a much easier foe than Texas. Also, if you are going to view last year as a failure- two games from the World series you are doomed to be a most unhappy fan most of the time. Perspective please. If “Binder Joe” means a colorless clueless skipper, then why do we win so often with more than our share of injuries and disaapointing performances over the last three years, and why does our bullpen always jell. Also, another LOHUD fequent flyer complaint- Joe never throws his player under the bus to the media- yes why does he refuse such an obvious good strategy…

  52. Mr. Jaggers August 29th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    “Tank” for take- spelling error- sorry

  53. austinmac August 29th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    UZR stats now suggest Ellsbry plays a fabulous CF when two or three years ago it had him as atrocious. I suggest it is more likely the stat is suspect than Ellsbury became Willie Mays defensively in a couple of years.

  54. MG August 29th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    ID, this is going nowhere and will not change either of our opinions.

    I decided to ignore everything posted about Saber-stats a couple of months ago and to not engage in the dialog and will go back to that mode, it isn’t worth the time and effort.

  55. m August 29th, 2011 at 5:09 pm


    Thanks for that.

  56. West Coast Yankee Fan August 29th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    You are most cordially welcome Miss M. :)

  57. Villa Nova-Ya August 29th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I think the predictive value of the metrics is a conversation that has been had before. In one sense, the numbers are historical and tell you only what has happened.

    You would hope that there could be some value toward what might happen in the future, but I think for the most part, one of the great attractions of baseball is precisely the unpredictability of it all. There will be times that all the numbers point a particular way and that is, indeed, what transpires.

    But it seems at least as often, if not more often, things happen in baseball that just leave you shaking your head.

    And even if at the end of the day someone can go back and look at the numbers and say, for instance, that it was entirely predictable that the New York Mets would win the World Series in 1969, while it was happening, it was something that turned baseball on its ear.

    It really is one of baseball’s charms (and frustrations) that things you think are a sure thing, aren’t, and vice versa, no matter what the historical data says.

    It’s human drama played out over 162 games plus playoffs. And it is special to baseball.

  58. m August 29th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Um, why did Alex go back to New York for an MRI?

  59. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    mg – That’s because I don’t have an opinion for you to change. I take what I see, what I read, and what I know… and I put that forward as my best judgement of things when I make posts. Sometimes that involves advanced stats like WAR or FIP. Sometimes (like earlier today) that only involves taking simple stats like RBI’s and Plate Appearances and putting them together in a useful fashion.

    If you don’t care about the stats, that’s your choice. You’re also not sitting here mocking and berating people that do use them… at least I don’t recall at the moment seeing that previously.

    I’m just trying to help you realize that by “ignoring half of the story” you are essentially cheating yourself out of forming better opinions. Someone with your educational background should already understand that.

    austinmac – UZR is totally messed up, most “stats guys” will tell you that. anyone that points at it like it means anything is a fool.

  60. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Irreverent Discourse,
    I’m not a stathead, but I recognize the new metrics as interesting and possibly informative, at least on the offensive and pitching side. But as luis has pointed out, the predictive power of any statistic is applicable to the general, not the individual. The weather man can say when this kind of front moving this fast at this temperature, there is X% chance this will happen, based on statistics sometimes gathered over hundreds of years.

    When it comes to human behavior and performance, the statistician can predict the general, i.e., there will be X number of car crashes, births out of wedlock, or heart attacks, or that Shortstops in general will hit for an X average, or any other metric.

    To say that Joe Dokes, drafted by the Rockies, projects as X, based on his high school performance, is something only scouts can do. No statistics exist which take into account maturity of approach, ability to adapt and learn, and yes, as in Granderson’s case, revamp something he has been doing for years. Nor can metrics predict a hamstring pull or a TJS or drunkenness which might end Joe Dokes’ career.

    In other words, I like the statistics which show what an individual player has done, even down to weak swings on two-two change ups over five years, not those that claim to predict the future. Gee, I’m as long-winded as you! Sorry!

  61. LGY August 29th, 2011 at 5:17 pm


    When you claim it’s only been two to three months when in fact it’s been more than twice that it’s underselling.

    From your posts in general it seems you are very preoccupied with the Sox.

    How about this?

    Tell me the last time the Yankees played a legitimately big game against the Sox.

  62. Warning Track Power August 29th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Must be nice to afford MRI after MRI huh? When I read about these ballplayers going to see a doctor for x-rays and MRI’s, I just think about how there is no chance I can afford that with my medical insurance, but these players have no trouble covering the expense(or does the team pay for these procedures).

  63. austinmac August 29th, 2011 at 5:17 pm


    I welcome your baseball input and welcome you to have any political philosophy you choose. I happen not to think I possess all of the world’s answers and don’t criticize people for their views because, you know, maybe they are right and I am wrong.

    On the other hand, this is a baseball blog. I don’t want anyone criticizing your views, but I don’t want to hear your political views either. To criticize someone for doing what they believe to be the right thing to do for their country seems mean spirited and totally unnecessary. I wish you would quit that.

    Let us all argue about baseball, Girardi and even MVP(too early though) and any other baseball related subjects and let everyone here have their own viewpoints and experiences. Surely, baseball can cause you to rise above other issues in this limited forum.

    What do you say?

  64. Shame Spencer August 29th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Why they even tried to rush Arod back after they found out his thumb was sprained initially is beyond me….

  65. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Lifted from rotoworld…

    Alex Rodriguez underwent an MRI on his sore left thumb Monday in New York, which came back negative.
    Good news, though it’s possible he could sit out of the upcoming series against Boston. A-Rod originally hurt the thumb last Sunday, but aggravated the injury in the first game of Sunday’s doubleheader against the Orioles. Consider him day-to-day for now.
    Aug 29 – 5:09 PM Source: Mark Feinsand on Twitter

  66. Irreverent Discourse August 29th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    LGY – October 17th, 2004?

  67. August 21st, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    The good news is that in this fashion season the House of Canada Goose Jackets released a new Ali Collection which is exactly what I am hoping for.

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