Pitching matchups in Boston
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 30, 2011 
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Tonight
LHP CC Sabathia (17-7, 2.99)
vs.
RHP John Lackey (12-9, 5.98)
7:10 p.m. MY9 / MLB Network
Wednesday
RHP Phil Hughes (4-4, 6.46)
vs.
RHP Josh Beckett (11-5, 2.43)
7:10 p.m. YES Network / ESPN
Thursday
RHP A.J. Burnett (9-1, 5.31)
vs.
LHP Jon Lester (14-6, 3.09)
7:10 p.m. YES Network / MLB Network
Thursday’s game will be very interesting.
So scared about AJ – better get Noesi back up here by then.
I was thinking Thursday’s game was a day game.
Sigh….I can’t wait ’til I can watch YES again. This heavy road month has done out-of-marketers no favors.
Holy mismatches, Batman.
Chad…
AJ is not 9-1… We all wish he was close to that
well, tonight’s definitely the must-win
predicting another hughes explosion tomorrow. hope not, but heh..
Erin
I feel your pain. So many games of late that I’ve been forced to watch via the other teams tv network. So lame!!!
I love Thursday’s matchup….Their ace against ours. Should be a classic…
Or you can look at it like AJ’s last start of the year in the rotation after he lasts 2 innings
Erin – I was down in Delaware last week… and instead of showing the Yankees score 22 runs on Thursday on the MLB channel (which they had been advertising all week) i got to watch… Tampa and Detroit…
Oh, by the way, nobody make any predictions that the Yankees will win this game. That happened the last time CC and Lackey faced each other, and it didn’t turn out too well IIRC.
Last night ESPN rolled out a very, very bad stat about A.J.
He does not have a quality start since June.
Out of all the starting pitchers with at least 5 starts, he is the worst starting pitcher since
June. Unreal!!!
Bobby Valentine last night said the start on Thurs will be A.J.’s swan song. After Thurs night, the Yankees should sent A.J. to the pen and not try so hard to find a role for his arm.
Bobby said A.J. had all of last year and this year to improve and he has failed.
Hard to argue with that way of thinking!!
That happened the last time CC and Lackey faced each other
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Lackey has pitched well against the Yanks the last 2 time they faced him. Hopefully the bats can wake up for this series.
I am watching the game tonight via MLB Network, but I’m pretty sure the feed will be the NESN broadcast, not the Yes telecast.
Tomorrow night I am watching the game on ESPN.
Thurs night I return to MLB Network because Costas and Jim Kaat will be in the booth.
I thought I heard that Al Leiter will be part of the YES team for this series…did anyone else hear that?
I’ve seen people suggesting acquiring CJ Wilson as a free agent in the offseason. I disagree, we should target Mark Buerhle of the ChiSox instead…he would definitely be an excellent #2.
Hi everyone,
I`m watching all the games, but on thursday i`ll have some valium by my side so i can watch the game and keep perspective so i don`t throw the tv set through the window, lol
I don’t know how rightful it is. Every other team has been able to implement their potential lethal young bats. If the Yankees had let Montero get acclimated to pitching staff and vice versa, we may have had an additional weapon at the plate, especially with Alex down. But the Yanks are ever conservative. Let’s hope they don’t pay the price for that and that Alex isn’t chronically hurt going forward. Don’t know at all that the Yanks did the “right” thing in this case.
Warning Track Power August 30th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Tomorrow night I am watching the game on ESPN.
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Which isn’t a whole lot different that watching it on NESN.
edit: than
*integrate*
SWEEP, DAMMIT !
Lackey has pitched well against the Yanks the last 2 time they faced him. Hopefully the bats can wake up for this series.
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Lackey has pitched very respectfully in his last eight starts or so, including beating CC last time around these two teams faced each other.
Pretty sure CC beat himself though against the Boston hitters.
Youkilis expected to be back in their lineup tomorrow as well, as he’s making a rehab tonight.
yankeefem,
My guess is that they didn`t want to start the clock on Montero this season…..but i am with you that i don`t think it was the right move.
Note to self,
Skip baseball on Thursday if I want to keep my spirit up.
Captain Clutch, Lackey allowed 6 ER in one of those two outings.
AJ starts = Yanks lose for sure, not mention they play in fenway
It’s interesting to see how CC pitches this time against Sux, if he’s still outpitched by Lackey, that would be very very bad. And Yanks got decent chance to be swept again.
Yankee’s only hope is tonight.
yankeefeminista August 30th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I don’t know how rightful it is. Every other team has been able to implement their potential lethal young bats. If the Yankees had let Montero get acclimated to pitching staff and vice versa, we may have had an additional weapon at the plate, especially with Alex down. But the Yanks are ever conservative. Let’s hope they don’t pay the price for that and that Alex isn’t chronically hurt going forward. Don’t know at all that the Yanks did the “right” thing in this case.
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Yankeefem, that’s my logic too, and well put. I don’t feel the need to respond to comments merely parroting the obvious, that the Yankees don’t agree, which is clear. Also redundant to say I disagree with THEM, which I think was obvious by the initial post, but you have stated well why he should have been brought up…knock on wood on Alex.
I thought I heard that Al Leiter will be part of the YES team for this series?
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this is just mean.
luis, clearly they do not want to start the clock, and that is their choice. However, I don’t agree w/it and let’s hope Alex can be at least a semblance of an Alex w/some pop.
The reason we may not see some call-ups on Sept.1, that we would like, is that they would burn a year’s worth of options on a MiLB player for a few at-bats or a few innings. Also the Yanks would have to make room on the 40 man roster by releasing a player currently on the roster with nothing in return.
Losing a year’s option would not matter to the Yanks but it would reduce the value of the player to a potential trade partner.
Skip baseball on Thursday if I want to keep my spirit up.
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If CC gets his dinner fed to him again tonight, they might want to shut this blog down for a couple days.
Everyone has faith in Hughes? Not me.
I think CC has the best shot..outside of that, I’m hoping that the games aren’t embarassments.
Howard,
Yes he has been a lot better, but still he had an ERA above 4 in those games, so he should be the easiest pitcher of the series
“AJ is not 9-1… We all wish he was close to that”
Don’t we all wish we could subtract 10 “losses” off our lives?
ok, looks like they are on the way to lose every Sux series this season.
seriously, it’s hard to do that.
Pruf, yep. Suddenly we have no pop at all from two usual high SLG positions in LF and 3B. Thank God for Grandy.
I’m hoping the RS’s 2 off-days will leave them a little tight and cold. And I’m hoping that the Yankees will have some momentum going into Fenway tonight.
I’m not making any predictions by any means (for fear of jinxing them); I’m just posting my wishlist.
Also C when Martin *isn’t* hitting; here’s hoping we keep him fresh down the stretch and into the playoffs.
Yankeefem,
Me neither, hopefully Arod can resemble himself going forward, but i think we are starting to see his decline
Only 2 more days until Jesus Alejandro Montero arrives….
yankfem – another plus in Grandy’s corner is having nearly compensated for Alex’s absence. He’s also the reason the lineup has been able to carry Gardner. Most Valuable Player? Heartily, yes!
Howard,
Yes he has been a lot better, but still he had an ERA above 4 in those games, so he should be the easiest pitcher of the series
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He’s definitely the easiest one. But, it’s not the Boston pitching I worry about tonight – it’s outscoring them.
Gotta win tonight and hopefully tomorrow……..they are due a game of.knocking Beckett around. AJ vs Lester doesn’t sound promising……though the Yanks can hit Lester.
“Only 2 more days until Jesus Alejandro Montero arrives….”
odds is less than 5%
Tarheel, wishes are the prerequisites to conjuring realities sometimes.
yankfem ? another plus in Grandy?s corner is having nearly compensated for Alex?s absence. He?s also the reason the lineup has been able to carry Gardner. Most Valuable Player? Heartily, yes!
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Maybe this series, he’ll step up against Boston too? He is hitting .222 against them, and .200 at Fenway. Not folding up in the next three days would help him.
Gotta win tonight and hopefully tomorrow??..they are due a game of.knocking Beckett around. AJ vs Lester doesn?t sound promising??though the Yanks can hit Lester.
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You’ve said this four times this year, man!!!
blake, yep we can indeed hit Lester.
It’s good for me, I can get YES on game days because I have MLBTV and I live in Taiwan. Which means I don’t have any blackout. The only downside for me is that my time is 12 hours faster. So a day game for you guys start @ 1:05 am for me. I’d have to pull an all nighter to be able to watch the game.
yankfem, leaving for lunch. catch you later.
yankeefeminista August 30th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
“Tarheel, wishes are the prerequisites to conjuring realities sometimes.”
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Oh, I like this! I collect quotes, as it were, and I really like this one. Thank you
Guys,
The yankees have underperformed against the sux, while they have outperformed their numbers, i think is time for a correction ( I HOPE)
both hit Lester and due for knocking Beckett around are low probability events.
I never expect low probability event
blake, yep we can indeed hit Lester.
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The Yankees can hit anyone. As can the Sox. It’s a matter if they actually do it.
JAP,
Buen provecho!!!
Howard, Granderson has a .853 OPS and a 144 OPS+ vs. Boston, and a .385 OBP at Fenway. You are concentrating too much on batting average.
Let’s just hope that Cervelli isn’t catching CC tonight.
Tarheel In NYC August 30th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
yankeefeminista August 30th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
“Tarheel, wishes are the prerequisites to conjuring realities sometimes.”
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Oh, I like this! I collect quotes, as it were, and I really like this one. Thank you
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For the upcoming muppets movie??
Not the most compelling of matchups. At this point, it’s really not even a big deal to me anymore…….the one thing I’d like to see is CC get back into his groove.
Tarheel, glad to oblige.
Now I hear a har kow (dumpling) calling my name. Hopefully back later before this place is overrun by Boston trolls. Oh, wait…
Niblick, good point.
luis August 30th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
“For the upcoming muppets movie??”
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Precisely! I’m working on the screenplay now
very SSS, but Cervelli actually hits well against Lackey
when the Yankees play the sux, anything and everything can happen.
i look on the bright side-the game is mid-week, so my ears won’t have to suffer from listening
to Joe Buck and Timmy!! the 2 worst announcers at any level
I liked seeing AJ with a 9-1 record, just wish it was like that. But seriously there are three pitchers that I never want to see on the mound: Igawa, AJ and Mitre. (maybe AJ will prove me wrong, but I don’t think so).
Betsy,
how are you?…..i`ll be happy to take one out of three, and pleasently surprised if we take the series
Hughes is the pitcher that has to turn it around.
If he does not turn into a decent pitcher,it’s going to sting because we will be struggling much more in the next few years filling the poitching holes.
If he can return to form,that will be a huge plus,giving us a nice 1-3 in cc,nova,hughes.
Yankeefem,
Enjoy your meal!!
ron,
what about the B`s, you do`t think they are going to have an impact in the near future??
Thanks, luis, but I want two of three.
WTP,
I think the ESPN announcers are even worse and biased
yankeefem,
i just want to lower my expectations, especially with AJ pitching on thursday!!!
Luis-I’ll take the ESPN duo/trio over the Fox #1 team 8 days a week amigo!!!
Hi Luis – doing just fine, thanks! I’m going on vacation next week, so that’s what I’m looking forward to. I’m not expecting anything this series – just playing the wait and see game
CC’s starts this year against the Sox have been very odd. Like either he is tipping his pitches or they are stealing signs. It seems like they are on every single pitch and no matter what he throws they hit it hard. It’s weird how the Yankees starting pitchers(not including AJ) can pitch good to every team in baseball except the Sox. They have a good lineup but not that good.
Ron, I think he’ll be given one more chance next year – though I think he’s going to be told to come prepared to fight for a spot.
The reason we may not see some call-ups on Sept.1, that we would like, is that they would burn a year’s worth of options on a MiLB player for a few at-bats or a few innings. Also the Yanks would have to make room on the 40 man roster by releasing a player currently on the roster with nothing in return.
Losing a year’s option would not matter to the Yanks but it would reduce the value of the player to a potential trade partner.
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September callups dont burn any options, and they have to release a player with nothing in return anyways to get Montero and more on the roster. Expect some DFAs to get a third catcher on and some trades in the offseason.
Montero is more than familiar with Ivan Nova and could probably handle Colon as well.
Howard,
If I say it enough times it’ll happen
Here is how I would rank our starter’s as of today:
1)C.C.
2)Nova
3)Freddy
4)Colon
5)Hughes
6)A.J.
Let’s face the facts-A.J. is by far the worst and has not earned the right to remain in the top 5.
Hughes is slightly better, so I gave him the #5 spot. There is a huge gap between Colon
and Hughes. At this point I trust Colon a lot more.
The gap between Freddy and Hughes is even larger.
No chance Hughes or A.J. can match the numbers Freddy is putting up. Why those two can’t learn from Freddy or Nova is ridiculous.
Normally, I’d look upon CC pitching game one as an advantage, but on this occasion I’m not so sure. Lackey has been pitching a lot better of late while, as we all know, CC has not been his usual dominant self. If the Sox manage to beat CC tonight, they’re going to smelling blood and the opportunity to put significant distance between themselves and the Yanks in the race for the AL East pennant. If any game is a must-win at this stage of the season, then this is it.
Nice matchups until I see AJ Burnett… That should be Bartolo Colon.
WTP,
That means twice on sundays right??, LOL
Id rank AJ 8th…..behind Noesi and Warren. Not kidding.
When the RSox & Yanks play you just have to throw out what has happened before. It doesn’t apply, except that RSox own the Yanks before August & Yanks have owned the RSox after July.
CC?s starts this year against the Sox have been very odd. Like either he is tipping his pitches or they are stealing signs. It seems like they are on every single pitch and no matter what he throws they hit it hard. It?s weird how the Yankees starting pitchers(not including AJ) can pitch good to every team in baseball except the Sox. They have a good lineup but not that good.
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Seeing the same pitcher five or six times a year will do that. If they’re picking up on something, it’s the onus of the pitcher to fix that. It’s not just CC they’ve hit well, so I’m gonna go with lineup and hope he puts it together or figures it out.
It’s not really all that odd. He’s had his struggles with most of the top offenses, as most pitchers do…it’s why they’re top offenses – unless you’re not counting Boston as a top offense, which is just absurd.
They’ve beaten Weaver, Haren, Felix, CC, Verlander, Price, Shields…
They beat good pitchers.
Blake:
Post on last thread. Yup.
Let’s hope CC doesn’t crap the bed again ’cause Phil and AJ are batting practice for the Sox.
I cannot and would never say I want AJ to get bombed on Thursday. I hope he pitches a no-hitter. But there is a logical perspective that suggests that would be in the best interests of the team.
If AJ goes 6 innings – 4 runs – 9 hits, he will just keep getting sent out there and in the long run we know how that story ends. If he gets shellacked, I believe we will be done with him this year.
WTP, at this point, Hughes and AJ are fighting it out for who gets first call as long man in the playoffs. IMO, CC, Colon, Nova and Garcia are locks.
to get Montero and more on the roster
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Cashman said on the radio that they have to put Montero on the roster this off season anyway. He said otherwise he would be eligible for the rule 5. So if he is already on the 40 man roster it makes sense to give him a taste and see what they have in him for next year.
blake August 30th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Id rank AJ 8th…..behind Noesi and Warren. Not kidding.
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I would put him behind Igawa…..nah!!, just kidding but yeah at this point warren or Noesi might be better options.
WTP, it’s not that easy. Einstein could come back from the grave and try to teach me about the theory of relativity, but I’m still going to be confused by it.
The key for Phil Hughes vs. The Bosox will be found in his ability to be able to come up and in and then down and away to the Boston left hand power sticks….I f he can hit those 2 strike zone quads he’ll be successful or have success that outing……..Wish CB would come around and give his take on this……..Later all….Has Doc Joe been around and if so was Irene gentle to him this weekend…….Love The US Open especially the womens WTA bracket……Great outfits !!!!!
Howard,
Just curious are you a Yankees or Sox fan?
When the RSox & Yanks play you just have to throw out what has happened before. It doesn?t apply, except that RSox own the Yanks before August & Yanks have owned the RSox after July.
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So throw out anything that doesn’t look good for NY?
Howard,
Just curious are you a Yankees or Sox fan?
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I am a very realistic Yankee fan, with a unfounded hatred for both Hughes and Girardi.
add me to the short list of Yankees fans that will be cheering for
A.J. to do well Thurs night.
i certainly am not rooting for him to lose. that idea is ridiculous.
betsy,
yes, Hughes better bring his A game next spring, he is going to have very good competition
No Yankee fan would ever root against one of his own……no fan of any team period would do that.
And, I take a lot of crap on here because I’ve made it no secret that I admire Josh Beckett, which has very little to do with his Red Sox ties, and much more to do with some personal stuff, and his Florida days.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 30th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
I’m thinking a shellacking would be good for the team in order to make the decision easier and it might also be good for my wallet, although I’m thinking that the O/U will be 11ish.
Luis, no doubt.
WTP,
Me neither, i hope he throws a no hitter…but bring maalox and some acid reflux medicine just in case…..
No Yankee fan would ever root against one of his own??no fan of any team period would do that.
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Do not confuse my dislike for “rooting against”, which I have never done. I wish them both success, I just wish they weren’t on the Yankees. It’s not that hard to fathom, Betsy. I just don’t like him.
Betsy:
Rooting and betting are two different things.
The key to Hughes success is simple, it’s exactly the same as for any pitcher with good stuff. Command. Period.
Howard,
with all due respect…..Beckett is one of the players that i hate the most, he is a moron.
Imagine he did throw a no-no.
A. That would be amazing, and B. How confused would everyone be then?
Cashman would be on a “told you so” kick – at least for five days, when he reverts to his normal “potential” on a seven run sandwhich.
Howard, I wasn’t even referring to you – I was just talking in general. You don’t have to like everyone on your team………. and for you, you may get your wish within the next couple of years.
I never not rooted for any particular player in the sense that I didn’t want them to do well for the team, but there have been players who I didn’t particularly get excited about by their personal success. Had Albert Belle been signed, I would have had a very hard time even rooting for him.
I look at this series as 2 games…today and tomorrow. They have to do the best they can to try and win those games. No one is rooting against AJ but you have to be realistic that the odds of him pitching good is very small and also Lester owns them. I dont want anyone on the Yanks to fail but at this point it’s obvious that he should be the odd man out and he is hurting them every 5th day. The bullpen is the only place for him.
Does anyone else wonder is ‘Clarence Lumpy Rutherford Burnett’ learned anything at all from watching Nova and Freddy pitch the last two games ?
Like how to work out of trouble and use control when you don’t have velocity ?
I have no confidence on Hughes at all, not mention against Sux.
Howard,
with all due respect?..Beckett is one of the players that i hate the most, he is a moron
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That’s fine, man. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. My admiration for Beckett has nothing to do with baseball really, though I do admire pitchers like Beckett and always have.
My admiration for the man is born out of some very personal stuff, and while some disagree, which is fine, that’s not going to change because he pitches for Boston.
Everyone on this board, probably not admitedly, would love to have Beckett in the rotation this year
‘Imagine he did throw a no-no’.
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Probably 1000 to 1 or better, I’ll take the odds for $ 10.
Vineyard wasn’t Clarence Lumpy Rutherford a small time hood in Connecticut?
Howard, I wasn?t even referring to you ? I was just talking in general. You don?t have to like everyone on your team???. and for you, you may get your wish within the next couple of years.
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Gotcha.
Grew up and became a Dental Hygienist I believe.
I would rather Wally Cleaver pitch than Lumpy. Maybe even Mary Ellen Rogers.
VY,
To be fair, AJ always tries his best….he just doesn`t have the ability to do it, his mechanics are a mess and very dificult to repeat on a consistent basis, add to that his diminishing stuff and you have a very explosive mix.
Howard,
I respect that, i was just voicing my opinion
Luis-
If A.J. could learn how to throw his “spike curve” for a strike and pitch inside a lot more, he might be able to keep the hitter’s honest.
I probably have never mentioned this, but everytime A.J. starts I wonder how many pitches he will throw inside, turn a hitter around and he never does that. Never!!
WTP
Probably because he doesnt think he can go inside with precision without hitting the batter. Sometiems i wonder if AJ doesnt just aim down the middle and let is lack of accuracy move the pitch to other places.
Luis-
If A.J. could learn how to throw his ?spike curve? for a strike and pitch inside a lot more, he might be able to keep the hitter?s honest.
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Every coach he’s ever had has been waiting for his “potential” to throw that strike. Problem is, he can’t, and when he does, he can’t repeat it. More importantly, the hitters know this too. If he’s down in the count, he can’t throw it. If he’s ahead, they lay off it when it’s not the out pitch.
He is what he is.
luis August 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
To be fair, AJ always tries his best…
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I understand, except it has become increasingly more difficult to watch his side show.
1. He can’t work out of trouble when he gets in it.
2. Can’t hold a lead when he gets one. (gives the runs right back)
3. Can’t harness command of he pitches consistently.
4. Apparently has trouble repeating his delivery mechanics.
5. Too many WP’s, HR’s, BB’s and has trouble holding runners on.
Last but not least he apparnetly has anger issues and mouths off to his manager.
WTP,
I think he is too old to learn, and yes he rarely throws inside because he doesn`t have the comand to do so….The main problem is that he has a somewhat circular move which is very hard to time correctly on a consistent basis, the only way i see to correct that is to rebuild his wind up from scratch, and i don`t think thats happening….i could be wrong though
Aj 9-1? I wish he was.
VY-
Has it been proven that A.J. mouthed off to his manager or is that a conjecture on your part and the public?
I saw the footage and IMO, I don’t know who A.J. was talking to. Could have been Martin or the manager or himself? I don’t know.
“I am a very realistic Yankee fan, with a unfounded hatred for both Hughes and Girardi.”
“And, I take a lot of crap on here because I’ve made it no secret that I admire Josh Beckett, ”
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So that’s…
Hate: Phil Hughes, Joe Girardi
Admire: Josh Beckett
I just like to know who’s who in here.
Funny thing, a pitcher who has been in the ML’s for 13 years and is 34 years old doesn’t have potential anymore. That ship sailed long ago.
typo:…s/b…apparently
‘Last but not least he apparently has anger’…………….
Vineyard Yankee August 30th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
luis August 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
To be fair, AJ always tries his best…
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I understand, except it has become increasingly more difficult to watch his side show.
1. He can’t work out of trouble when he gets in it.
2. Can’t hold a lead when he gets one. (gives the runs right back)
3. Can’t harness command of he pitches consistently.
4. Apparently has trouble repeating his delivery mechanics.
5. Too many WP’s, HR’s, BB’s and has trouble holding runners on.
Last but not least he apparnetly has anger issues and mouths off to his manager.
Vy,
You are right on every count, but it isn`t the result of lack of effort, so i pitty him, because it must be very frustrating not being able to help your team.
AJ has good stuff but he doesn’t have good pitching instincts or whatever you want to call it. He isn’t a Mussina or Petitte on the mound. He has awful mechanics and is a thrower not a pitcher. So even though he watches Garcia and CC take some off or actually pitch I don’t think he would be able to do it himself. Also when you don’t have any idea where the pitch is going half the time it’s hard to consistently pitch well.
So that?s?
Hate: Phil Hughes, Joe Girardi
Admire: Josh Beckett
I just like to know who?s who in here
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Fair enough. I can’t explain it any clearer. Josh Beckett’s baseball career in Boston has very little to do with my admiration.
And yes, I cannot stand Phil Hughes. That’s not a crime either. Have you always liked every single member of the Yankees?
Warning Track Power August 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Perhaps not which is why I used the word apparently. I myself tend to doubt that Girardi went down the dugout stairs towards the club house quick, fast and in a hurry to go to the video room to watch one pitch in the middle of an inning though.
Burnett’s confidence is shot to pieces. Even if he truly has good “stuff” anymore, it’s doubtful whether he can produce it. He’s so mentally frail that the slightest setback (bad call, wild pitch, bloop single) leads to disaster. The worst possible place for a pitcher to regain his confidence is Fenway Park. To be honest, I’ll be amazed if he gets through more than two innings.
Burnett’s “good stuff” went away with his 98mph heater.
luis August 30th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Someone here suggested recently that he needs to reinvent himself by starting from scratch, might be a good idea although I think he is too hard headed for that. This is why I asked earlier if anyone else thought that he might have learned anything by watching Nova and Freddy pitch the last 2 nights.
VY,
Agreed
Vineyard Yankee August 30th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Warning Track Power August 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Perhaps not which is why I used the word apparently. I myself tend to doubt that Girardi went down the dugout stairs towards the club house quick, fast and in a hurry to go to the video room to watch one pitch in the middle of an inning though.
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Unless it has been proven that A.J. directed his verbal abuse at Girardi, I have to give the kid the benefit of the doube.
I know Joe went into the direction of the club house quick and in a hurry and followed A.J. but maybe Joe was trying to calm A.J. down or speak with him, etc…
Bottom line-Joe is going to protect his players, even A.J.
I read somewhere this morning–maybe the Post–Burnett is working on his hand placement in his delivery to improve his command. He says it is helping in the stretch, but the wind-up still needs work. The good news is he is very often in the stretch.
That’s not a crime either. Have you always liked every single member of the Yankees?
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Of course not. But “unfounded hatred” ?
I hope that’s just hyperbole. If not then I fear you may have nothing to add of value in here. We’re pretty much at maximum capacity regarding “unfounded” emotion.
As much as I root for A.J., he still needs to be sent to the bullpen after this start Thursday night.
If someone in the starting 5 needs a break, extra rest, then A.J. can fill that spot start in the month of September.
I don’t know if changing hand placement will help.
I look at how well Kennedy is throwing for the d’backs and wonder why A.J. can’t be a better starter.
Confidence goes a long way, but having an idea on the mound has to count for something.
austinmac August 30th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
LMAO!!
austinmac- LOL I hope it works for him-I would love to see him go out and have a good game against Boston. At this point, I’m not expecting a whole lot though. But then again, there is the fact that Thursday will no longer be August. So maybe there is hope for that game after all.
“Howard August 30th, 2011 at 2:12 pm – And, I take a lot of crap on here because I’ve made it no secret that I admire Josh Beckett,”
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and you will continue to take a lot of crap, because you admire an @$$hole that even his own teammates admit is one, and a complete coward that always throws at and hits Yankees batters because he can and faces NO payback by having to pick up a bat and risk taking one in the ear like he deserves. Howard, you are a joke.
Of course not. But ?unfounded hatred? ?
I hope that?s just hyperbole. If not then I fear you may have nothing to add of value in here. We?re pretty much at maximum capacity regarding ?unfounded? emotion.
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Fair enough. I’ll reword:
Yes, I’m a realistic Yankee fan, who doesn’t really care for Phil Hughes or Joe Girardi.
What does Beckett do that deserves admiration?
Triple Short of a Cycle August 30th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
What does Beckett do that deserves admiration?
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He shed ketchup for his team?
It’s ironic that someone would hate Burnett but admire Beckett since Beckett WAS producing Burnett-esque numbers in 2009 and 2010.
RS fans wanted him GONE at this time last season and grilled Theo for inking him to that extension at the beginning of the season.
and you will continue to take a lot of crap, because you admire an @$$hole that even his own teammates admit is one, and a complete coward that always throws at and hits Yankees batters because he can and faces NO payback by having to pick up a bat and risk taking one in the ear like he deserves. Howard, you are a joke.
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As I’ve stated here before:
My brother in law, an avid outdoorsman and hunter, lost a leg in Afghanistan while deployed in the Army. He was part of a group of guys that Josh Beckett invited to his ranch in Texas to bowhunt, and outfitted each of them with a bow capable of being used by individuals with sever diabilities. For a week, he paid for everything, and for just a little while, he made them feel as if there was nothing wrong with them. At the end of the week, he held a dinner, in his house, for all of them. A couple months later, at my brother’s house, FedEX showed up with a box. In that box was the deer he harvested from the ranch, professionally mounted by a guy in Texas, and a invitation, fully paid for him to come back the next year.
If I’m a joke for liking the guy, then so be it.
I’d like for you to find me the quote that his teammate called him out and called him anything, and not just the word of some half-wit poster on here who was “at a party” with anyone.
but having an idea on the mound has to count for something.
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It is very important, i would say as much as 50% in the success formula….Look at Gregg Maddux as a prime example or Moose, or the chief to give you a current one.
Warning Track Power August 30th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
OK. I just think that for whatever the reason Girardi went down those stairs to set him straight (get back up in the dugout, mind your mouth, calm him down, whatever) He might have wanted to prevent another door punching as he needed all of his SP at that time.
Not nit picking you, but AJ is no kid and anyone who punches doors / walls, shows up with black eyes etc. is more than likely prone to verbal out bursts as well.
You are correct about Girardi, he will protect his players, almost to a fault, just like he did when Jorge had his blow up.
It?s ironic that someone would hate Burnett but admire Beckett since Beckett WAS producing Burnett-esque numbers in 2009 and 2010.
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I don’t hate Burnett. I’ve said that a million times. He just is what he is, and I’ve accepted that.
Ledger_Yankees Our pal @mashmore98 says there’s a new guy leading off at Trenton. He’s coming off an injury. That’s why they call him Rehabin’ Ramiro Pena.
Beckett is a hunter? Another reason to hate the SOB.
I had the pleasure of witnessing AJ’s last debacle live. Yank fans were rabid by the end of that horrible inning. Mock cheers with every hit he gave up and a healthy dose of boos as he walked to the dugout. It even seemed that many did not want to see Joe pull him. They wanted to see the carnage. It was ugly.
IMO he ceases to be a pitcher during those innings.
El Nino has returned, LOL!!!
His glove will make for a fine addition in September.
Not sure how everybody else feels, but I would rather have him playing defense in
place of Nunez.
ARod banged up & Jeter banged up, someone like Pena might get some playing time.
Beckett is a hunter? Another reason to hate the SOB.
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And he supports the troops, thats strike #2 for you!
I’d like for you to find me the quote that his teammate called him out and called him anything, and not just the word of some half-wit poster on here who was “at a party” with anyone.
So you are to be believed (and I’m not saying your lying) but Boston Dave is lying?
WC:
How does one ‘shed ketchup’ ? ? Lost ya on that one.
Bronx Jeers August 30th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I had the pleasure of witnessing AJ’s last debacle live. Yank fans were rabid by the end of that horrible inning. Mock cheers with every hit he gave up and a healthy dose of boos as he walked to the dugout. It even seemed that many did not want to see Joe pull him. They wanted to see the carnage. It was ugly.
IMO he ceases to be a pitcher during those innings.
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I don’t blame the fans for voicing their opinion.
A.J. certainly did deserve all the boos that night.
Joe had to leave him in the game to save the pen.
At the same time, I think Joe did not mind that A.J. was taking one for the team, since
the pen has had to bail out A.J. when he would last less than 5 innings
From the vault…..
Swisher tells Vida Blue what he think of Beckett:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZi-zaOshQ
Beckett is a hunter? Another reason to hate the SOB.
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Why? Hunters and fisherman pump more money into the environment than any other group combined year after year. The purchase of permits, lands, gear and other stuff is all taxed differntly than normal stuff. The money spent by hunters and outdoormen is the only reason that research grants, wetland preservation, biological study stations, and anything else to help the environment short of strict volunteering even happens.
WTP,
The comon element of those pitchers was comand, but you have to have an idea of whats going on in the hitters minds
CC wins tonight. Hughes wins tomorrow in an ugly start, but he shows that he can keep us in the game against a top team. AJ knocked out by the end of the 3rd inning. We claw back, but loose by a run or 2.
I think Hughes will ultimately be fine. He has proven that he can be very good and then very bad…inconsistent like a young pitcher in his sophomore season. Face it guys, he is still learning.
Love Nova, but also expect a bit of regression.
Looking forward to Sept call ups. Montero of course, but also Dan Wheeler. He has been lights out in AAA, much like Robertson in the ML. Adding Wheeler to the pen will provide opportunities to rest other bullpen arms down the stretch, and maybe take a starter out an inning earlier in a blow out game.
So you are to be believed (and I?m not saying your lying) but Boston Dave is lying?
I’m believed because the pictures of my BIL, and the rest of his army mates, are on his website (Becketts).
I’ve just never heard a player call Beckett out is all. I’m not calling you a liar at all.
# Howard August 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Beckett is a hunter? Another reason to hate the SOB.
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Why? Hunters and fisherman pump more money into the environment than any other group combined year after year. The purchase of permits, lands, gear and other stuff is all taxed differntly than normal stuff. The money spent by hunters and outdoormen is the only reason that research grants, wetland preservation, biological study stations, and anything else to help the environment short of strict volunteering even happens.
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Don’t open that can of worms.
You’re just giving West Coast douche bag a reason to force his political extremism on the rest of us.
Not appropriate in this forum.
Swisher doesnt like beckett? Well thats the kiss of death. Swisher is so friendly and outgoing that you’d have to go out of your way to make him hate you.
Howard,
Don Imus does a lot for kids at his ranch but he is still a major pr ick in real life
TY, JHC.
If Swish hates somebody, you know they’re no good.
# Jerkface August 30th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Swisher doesnt like beckett? Well thats the kiss of death. Swisher is so friendly and outgoing that you’d have to go out of your way to make him hate you.
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There are probably only two people on Earth that Swisher doesn’t like:
1.) Beckett
2.) Ozzie Guillen
Didn’t we have the hunting discussion already months ago?
sooooo isn’t it about time for the line up?
Howard,
Don Imus does a lot for kids at his ranch but he is still a major pr ick in real life
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Don Imus does it for publicity, and because his wife is so involved. Beckett found these guys, as a group, on Facebook and invited them. No reporters or acknowledgment asked for. He just treated a bunch of soldiers to a good week on his ranch, then asked them to come back.
You guys are going to feel whatever it is you feel, but you asked what he did and I answered. He won’t ever be a bad guy in my book. I’m sure you’d feel the same if it was your family.
upstate kate August 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
sooooo isn’t it about time for the line up?
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yeeeeesss
upstate kate August 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
sooooo……………………YES !…………………:lol:
upstate kate August 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
sooooo……………………YES!
VY,
are you using your mobile phone??
Howard,
Fair enough
Once upon a time, it was all so simple. Pitchers pitched. Hitters hit. If the stars lined up, somebody with a glove caught what they hit. And that’s how baseball games were decided.
Boy, how 1963 was that, huh?
If you think that’s how baseball games are decided nowadays, it’s very possible you’re still listening to music on a “record player.” And running all over town trying to buy “film” for your camera. And looking up numbers in a “phone book.”
Friends, we just don’t live on that planet anymore. And neither does the beautiful sport of baseball — no matter how unchanged it may look from afar on your old black-and-white TV “set.”
Here, instead, is the planet we live on now:
It’s a planet in which Rays manager Joe Maddon flips open his iPad in a Starbucks, sips his morning cup of tea and pores over the spray charts that dictate the funky shifts his team is about to unleash on David Ortiz that night.
The first great renaissance, Maddon says, arrived with Branch Rickey in the 1920s, ’30s and ’40s, back when Rickey was pioneering the use of (gasp) farm systems and (shudder) statistics.
And the second great renaissance? That’s been taking place, almost imperceptibly, over the last decade — but to a greater degree, just over the last year or two or three. Looking back, it’s not hard to figure out why. Every once in a while in life, a bunch of powerful forces in the universe seem to converge on us at once. And all they do is change just about everything. Well, this is now, officially, one of those times. Think about it:
• All of a sudden, you can watch every one of the 3 billion baseball games played this season — in your living room, on your laptop, even on your phone.
• All of a sudden, while you were busy doing your laundry or drafting your fantasy team or something, the world was quietly being invaded by an army of sabermetric wizards, capable of computing Justin Verlander’s road FIP against sub-.500 teams in games in which he throws more than 20 percent curveballs — and actually understanding the significance of that.
• All of a sudden, thanks to those creative geniuses at Apple, the average big league clubhouse seems to house more iPads than batting gloves.
• All of a sudden, those clubhouses are being occupied by a new generation of technologically aware baseball citizens who are willing to use that stuff. All of it. Every second of every day.
Information is changing baseball article: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....ame-played
“Then you could change it to where you say, ‘I want to see all pitches low and away.’ And it will change every piece of data [to] every pitch low and away. You can draw a custom area you want to pick on that strike zone, or out of the strike zone, and see all the pitches in those locations. Then, once you draw that, it shows you the data, all his stats and numbers, for that area you’ve selected, on that type of pitch.
“Then you can change it to runners in scoring position, ahead in the count, behind in the count, two strikes, seventh to ninth inning, anything you can think of. Any situation that you want to break down is readily available to see.”
But you think it stops there? Oh, no — all those stats are synced to a video database of every one of those pitches. So if you want to see how Lee reacted to every slider, low and away, that a right-hander has thrown him in a 1-and-2 count since 2006, that’s now possible. You don’t just have to read about it. Tap the screen on your iPad and watch it.
When do you guys think Arod and jeter will be back? they wont miss the series right?
Anyone knows the price for every pitch that Pavano or Igawa threw while with the Yankees…in case you dont:
Pavano 17.646,00 dollars per pitch
Igawa 15.444,00 dollars per pitch
that`s expensive
Didn?t we have the hunting discussion already months ago?
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Yes, when WCYF pointed out that it’s not very “sportsman” to go into the woods with a gun and kill an animal, to which I agreed with him, and informed him that I don’t even own a hunting rifle and hunt both Elk and Deer (and several other animals) with a bow and arrow, and feed my family most of the year with the meat. I also grow most of my own vegetables, which I’m sure is also against the liberal agenda somehow.
Nice if Cano would hit like he usually does at Fenway which is very good and Tex showed signs of getting hot the last few days.
Need those two to really mash the next three days.
Two out of three for the Yankees would be nice. I still cannot believe that A.J. is pitching Thursday night. As much as I am a fan of team, for the good of the team I hope that he gives up 20 runs and Girardi leaves him out there to take his medicine. Enough is enough.
I still have faith in Hughes who has shown some ability to fight through adversity.
MLink August 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
When do you guys think Arod and jeter will be back? they wont miss the series right?
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Jeter said after the game last night he was hoping to play tonight. Whether he does or not we’ll soon find out.
Alex is doubtful for the entire series as far as I know
I heard bits of an interview w/ Jim Leyland yesterday, who calls himself old school, but admits that there is so much more info readily available today.
Leyland also said he thinks the MVP should be for position players, altho he would support Verlander. The only player he mentioned in connection w/ the MVP was Granderson, which I suppose makes sense, since Grandy played for him.
That lineup that the Sux have posted to face CC tonight is not that intimidating. The big man should roll.
I don’t see how ARod will be ready to play in Boston. The thumb needs proper time to heal or else that will be trouble for the rest of this season.
where are you finding that lineup UnKnown?
New Post w/lineup
Yes, I’m a realistic Yankee fan, who doesn’t really care for Phil Hughes or Joe Girardi.
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I can live with that.
And as much as I dislike Beckett as a baseball player that sounds like a truly magnificent thing that he did for your brother.
I also grow most of my own vegetables, which I’m sure is also against the liberal agenda somehow.
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It depends on how you kill the plants.
I looked at the pitching matchups and saw that a.j.’s record read 9-1 (missing the second 1) and I thought to myself… If he was his 25 year old self throwing 97 all the time and getting hurt, his record (given his stuff) couldve reasonably been 9-1 in an injury shortened year.
However a.j. Is nothing but lies. He never learned to harness his stuff completely, but even when he was dynamite he could never stay consistent over the full 162.
I’m hoping for a bounce back every time they throw him out there but I wonder when the yanks are going to finally pull him from the rotation?