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Red Sox take one back

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night the Yankees won an emotional game here at Fenway Park. Tonight, the Red Sox struck back. Two-run homers by Jacoby Ellsbury and Jason Varitek carried Boston to a 9-5 lead in the second game of this three-game series. The Yankees had a one-run lead in the middle of the sixth, but that went away quickly. Phil Hughes, possibly pitching for his spot in the rotation, gave up six runs on eight hits through 5.2 innings. Derek Jeter was the only Yankee with more than one hit.

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268 Responses to “Red Sox take one back”

  1. Yogi Mantle August 31st, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Great job Yanks.

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Tomorrow, Lester versus AJ? ROFL!!!

    So glad I am going to a concert.

  3. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Allowing Varitek to affect the out come of the game is inexcusable.

    Hopefully tomorrow will be about Montero’s debut and not about AJ pitching.

  4. LockDown August 31st, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
    Thank God that’s over. Gardner is pretty useless at the plate right now. Leaving Hughes in too long was the difference really.
    ——

    It’s sad when our pitchers can’t get through 6 innings.

  5. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Hughes didn’t impress me. Logan showed he still can’t be trusted and the offense pretty much went to sleep in the late innings again.

  6. TheStraw August 31st, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    “More than anything this is a place to vent.”

    Why do you need to vent about a bunch of guys playing a kids game. Does it upset you that much? Is there nothing else meaningful enough to upsetnyou in your life?

  7. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Now the Yanks know how Tampa used to feel against the Yanks and Sox a couple of years ago.
    It stinks being owned.

  8. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    So, do we see Jones in LF and Montero at DH tomorrow vs the lhp?

  9. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Our 5 inning SP. Outside of CC who has trouble getting out of the 5-6 innings lately.

  10. Eroc August 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    “Now the Yanks know how Tampa used to feel against the Yanks and Sox a couple of years ago.
    It stinks being owned.”

    A very unfamiliar feeling. We might not even win 1 series against them this year.

  11. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    LGY, yeah you’re right – I think they want AJ in there, so what the hell. Next year is next year – AJ will play out the string in the rotation and go to the pen for the playoffs. So be it.

  12. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    “So, do we see Jones in LF and Montero at DH tomorrow vs the lhp?”

    I hope so….Gardner needs a mental vacation to see if they can get him back on track. He hit the ball hard in his 1st AB but he’s really been struggling lately….just looking lost at times.

  13. LockDown August 31st, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    LockDown,

    125 not including tonight
    ——

    :cry:

  14. bruceb August 31st, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Bottom line is we’re just not good enough. Four runs in one inning against Beckett and Hughes gives it right back with interest. Ellsbury has taken the piss out of us all year. Is there really any point watching tomorrow night? Whatever the score, I’d just leave AJ in and save the pen for another day.

  15. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    and to think that if the Yanks won another4 games against the Sox they’d have a nice little lead.

  16. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    at least they got to beckett. I hope they will audition the young guns on sept. From starters to relievers specially lefty relievers. KROD was young then and affected the playoffs.

  17. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Allowing Varitek to affect the out come of the game is inexcusable.

    ===================================

    No different than letting Cervelli affect an outcome, but neither are a good thing.

  18. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Gardner looks like he’s sitting on a “sit and spin” when he swings. Screws himself right in the ground. Looks awful at the plate.

  19. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    I could care less about the head to head record….once the playoffs start none of that matters. What does matter is finding a way to get the job done against these guys….it’s as much about the Yankees not executing and not playing the way they can as it is about Boston.

  20. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    The pitching is really going to struggle in the play offs against good offenses like Texas, Detroit and the Sox. The pitching is good enough to get the Orioles, Jays and other bad teams out but definitely not good enough to handle those top offenses. Colon will be out of gas by then and who knows how Nova will handle the pressure.

  21. GreenBeret7 August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Ayala didn’t affect the outcome of anything.

  22. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “No different than letting Cervelli affect an outcome, but neither are a good thing.”

    nope….only Varitek is probably a worse hitter than cervelli at this point.

  23. NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    The Yankee offense will be the opening credits to the movie “Contagion”.. A viral offensive shutdown..

  24. TheStraw August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    I don’t care about 3-10, particularly if we can scatch out a win tomorrow and take 2 of 3 at the stadium. Records are 0-0′when they get to the postseason.

  25. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning.

    Against offenses like Boston or Texas and AJ or Phil on the mound if by some miracle you get to the 6th with a lead as a manager you should look up to the sky, say thank you, and call the bullpen.

  26. Bx is Burning August 31st, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Just bring the noise tomorrow and win the series, Godammit.

  27. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    at least they got to beckett

    =======================

    Lot of good swings tonight off Beckett.

  28. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    AJ will play out the string in the rotation and go to the pen for the playoffs. So be it.
    ======================
    Wrong.
    If they do that, they defeat the purpose of making him the #5 then leaving him OFF THE POST SEASON ROSTER.

  29. vblade August 31st, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    LGY August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning.

    Against offenses like Boston or Texas and AJ or Phil on the mound if by some miracle you get to the 6th with a lead as a manager you should look up to the sky, say thank you, and call the bullpen.

    ————-

    I think Girardi should have gone batter to batter in the 6th, and yanked Phil as soon as after he walked Lowrie after having him down 0-2.

  30. TheStraw August 31st, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    NYY fan in NH August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
    The Yankee offense will be the opening credits to the movie “Contagion”.. A viral offensive shutdown..

    Uh, they scored 5 runs the last two nights..they weren’t the reason for the loss tonight.

  31. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    “So, do we see Jones in LF and Montero at DH tomorrow vs the lhp?”
    ————

    I would be absolutely shocked if Girardi let’s Montero face a top pitcher like Lester tomorrow. I expect the usual Jones at DH and Girardi in LF. But Gardner definitely needs a day off, he is completely lost.

  32. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning
    =======================
    Didn’t I tell you 5 for Phil?

  33. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I’m not about to predict that Colon will be out of gas, but the Yankees should skip him a start or two at some point to keep him fresh. I think Nova will be fine…..he may not be great, but I don’t think he’ll scare.

  34. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I would be absolutely shocked if Girardi let’s Montero face a top pitcher like Lester tomorrow.
    ====================
    Be prepared to be shocked…

  35. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    “This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning. ”

    his pitch count was in good shape and they couldn’t bridge the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th with guys any better than Hughes is. Get him through 6 and then they can work with their good relievers…..who would they have put in? The turning point of the game came when they threw Varitek a slow curveball and he poked it down the 3rd base line…..just terrible.

  36. Ace August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    They should have CC’d Lee. Blown him away. The $ was the same. Cc n lee would have matched up with Beckett n Lester. Basically cashman gambled that Hughes was a frontline SP. And lost big time

  37. Niblick August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    3 – 11 against the sawx is inexcusable. Binder Joe is a joke. It’s wild card and out again this year.

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Captain Clutch,

    The Jays have scored more runs then the Tigers

  39. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Joe: “Phil threw it decent BUT
    AJ has great stuff…”

  40. BBFan August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Everyone is so down on AJ, he is going to surprise everyone tomorrow and pitch a good game and Yanks will win. He generally performs well a Fenway.

    Goodnight every one.

  41. RadioKev August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    “This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning. ”

    his pitch count was in good shape and they couldn’t bridge the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th with guys any better than Hughes is. Get him through 6 and then they can work with their good relievers…..who would they have put in? The turning point of the game came when they threw Varitek a slow curveball and he poked it down the 3rd base line…..just terrible.
    ———–

    Yup, that Varitek hit was just some ridiculous luck. You can’t stop that.

  42. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Girardi: A bug flew into his eye on the 3-2 pitch to Ortiz.

    That is a new excuse that I haven’t heard before.

  43. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Hughes threw some of the worst CU’s I’ve ever seen him throw today…..most were chest high. He just didn’t have command of anything tonight….had the good fastball early but no command and he lost some zip in the later innings. He’s still not right consistently…..he’s been much better than earlier in the year but he’s still not all the way back yet on a consistent basis.

  44. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Much like there was no chance montero was getting called up after the deadline, there is also no chance he starts tomorrow.

  45. vblade August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Girardi: A bug flew into his eye on the 3-2 pitch to Ortiz.

    That is a new excuse that I haven’t heard before.

    ———–

    I nearly spat out my soy milk when I heard that. Seriously Joe?

  46. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    What is blowing Lee away? Why not double what they offered then. And then triple CC’s when he opts out. Then you can resign the rest of the league while you are at it.

    These are some of the worst posts I have seen in some time on here.

    And in case you know anything about Lee, you don’t give up on young pitchers. He had a 6.29 era not too long ago and needed to be sent back to the minors.

    Another pitcher the Indians developed over many years and then suddenly he hits his stride during his late twenties and has a huge pay day.

  47. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    september should be an audition. except for cc, mo, drob and soriano, all spots are for grab. And the 9th batter(DH) should also be open for competition.

  48. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    My lineup tomorrow would be:
    (assuming A-Rod is not available)

    Jeter – SS
    Granderson – CF
    Teixeira – 1B
    Cano – 2B
    Swisher – RF
    Jones – LF
    Montero – DH
    Martin – C
    Nunez – 3B

    If Joe even plays Montero he might put him even lower, 8 or 9 since he’s a rook, take some pressure off, won’t hit him ahead of the veteran Martin yet, etc.

    Tough first game for Montero against Lester, but hey he’s a top prospect in the game, and he’ll have to face pitchers like Lester eventually.

  49. waka flocka August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Who cares if Hughes’ pitch count was okay? He didn’t look good. Hughes is nothing more than a 5th starter. Time for the organization to accept that. You can’t blame the offense tonight. 5R off Beckett should be enough

  50. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Blake

    Wade.

    Hughes’ fastball velocity was down and flattening out. You just can’t trust him to protect a lead this season.

    His arm is not strong enough.

  51. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning.
    —————-

    Girardi always leaves the starters in too long but I can’t really blame him tonight. The bullpen was extremely short. Noesi isn’t here, no Soriano and who knows about Mo. Ayala only pitches when they are losing so Girardi didn’t have a lot to work with.

  52. RadioKev August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Ace August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    They should have CC’d Lee. Blown him away. The $ was the same. Cc n lee would have matched up with Beckett n Lester. Basically cashman gambled that Hughes was a frontline SP. And lost big time
    ———–

    You must live in your own little world. Lee turned down their offer for less years and money.

  53. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Blake, it’s amazing that he supposedly had this fantastic curve in the minors. He loses feel of pitches fairly quickly and it’s hard for him to pick it back up. When he tried to throw the slider again, nothing doing – now the curve, the difference being he’s forever changing grips.

  54. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Montero hits lefties in the minors. You can be sure Jones will be in LF and Montero at DH tomorrow. And hopefully Martin back behind the plate.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    The turning point of the game came when they threw Varitek a slow curveball and he poked it down the 3rd base line…..just terrible.
    ///
    I agree. Just blow the ball by Varitek. That was bad pitch calling there from the bench.

    Hughes was not all that bad tonight. He kept them in the game. Although he was tiring, I might have let him pitch to Ellsbury, whom he gets out. Tough call, ‘cos he was running out of gas.
    ///

    AJ will be on a short leash tomorrow. Hopefully, we see Montero at DH, or even behind the plate (that is extremely doubtful, but it would be fine with me), Andruw in left, and Nunez I would expect to play 3B.

    Win the series.

  56. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning.

    =================================

    One thing about this series that I’m certain both teams know, but will never admit, is that they’re playing with a safety net. As such, seeing if Hughes, who was only at 80 pitches, can take the lead he was given and make it stand up. Not thrilled about the way i worked out, but I do like the idea of Girardi saying in effect “let’s see what I have in this youngster”.

  57. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Let Montero play vs Lester…..no pressure if he doesn’t hit one of the best pitchers in baseball…..but then again it would be a big boost for the kids confidence if he did something against him. He rakes lefties and maybe he could pop one over the monster….Gardner needs a day off. Let Jones play LF and throw Montero into the fire to get a taste of Fenway

  58. TheStraw August 31st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    “3 – 11 against the sawx is inexcusable. Binder Joe is a joke. It’s wild card and out again this year”

    “A very unfamiliar feeling. We might not even win 1 series against them this year.”

    “Bottom line is we’re just not good enough”

    Why do you guys even bother watching the games? You guys are crappy “fans” of your team.

  59. Nilsson August 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Why would Montero not get a start tomorrow? Lester is pitching and Jesus has been destroying southpaws.

  60. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Bbfan – when u say he generally performs well at Fenway, what exactly do u mean? He shower well ther? Does well with the ladies there? Orders the best foods the stadium has to offer?

  61. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    He’s still not right consistently…..he’s been much better than earlier in the year but he’s still not all the way back yet on a consistent basis.
    =================
    blake
    Then why stick with him anymore?
    What is the point?
    To hopefully get him right for the playoffs.
    We don’t need him for the PS.
    He and we are better served in the pen which is faltering and tiring.

  62. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    LGY,

    fair enough….but he just had a quick 5th inning and they just took the lead back. I don’t have a problem with him sending him back out there for the 6th….I have a problem with how they pitched Varitek

  63. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    “This game was lost when Phil Hughes came trotting out of the dugout in the 6th inning. ”

    his pitch count was in good shape and they couldn’t bridge the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th with guys any better than Hughes is. Get him through 6 and then they can work with their good relievers…..who would they have put in? The turning point of the game came when they threw Varitek a slow curveball and he poked it down the 3rd base line…..just terrible.
    ————————-

    that lucky hit by Varitek and the IBB to Ortiz.

  64. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    U can’t play montero, not with the moths out there. Hes not ready.

  65. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    mick,

    because he’s still better than AJ…..and there is a chance he gets better. There isn’t much of any chance AJ does anything but be the same pitchers he’s been for two years.

  66. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Phil is in Spring Training…80 pitches were enough.
    Who’s managing this thing?

  67. vblade August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    When was the last time a Yankee starter worked a full seven innings?

    This bullpen is going to start running out of steam soon – thankfully September 1st has arrived and the reinforcements will be coming in.

  68. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    What exactly is all the way back for Phil anyway? Keep in mind that teams had not scouted him as a starter in the first half of 2010 – so he was able to get away with his FB and cutter only. It’s a very small likelihood that we see that first half 2010 Phil again – mostly because he overall does not have the pitching skills to be that good. It’s not to say he may not eventually be a good starter, but he has so many things to work on just aside from arm strength…….

  69. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    LGY August 31st, 2011 at 10:44 pm
    Blake

    Wade.

    Hughes’ fastball velocity was down and flattening out. You just can’t trust him to protect a lead this season.

    His arm is not strong enough.
    ————————-

    he was still throwing 93 in the 6th

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock August 31st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Final thought: Alex makes the offense very different. Not having him healthy has changed the lineup. If he’s healthy soon, then we haven’t even seen how good the lineup can be yet.

    Goodnight.

  71. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Yeah DH’ing Montero tomorrow seems like the obvious call to me, but you never know with Joe, he could DH Posada. Yanks in general are usually pretty conservative in situations like this.

  72. cs in la August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “3 – 11 against the sawx is inexcusable. Binder Joe is a joke. It’s wild card and out again this year”

    “A very unfamiliar feeling. We might not even win 1 series against them this year.”

    “Bottom line is we’re just not good enough”

    Why do you guys even bother watching the games? You guys are crappy “fans” of your team.

    ——————–

    Wow, what a pile of crybabies. Lose one game and you’re suicidal. Forgot how bad this place gets.

  73. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    because he’s still better than AJ….
    =====================
    blake, that’s what i don’t get, so what. its the 5th starter. phil in the pen helps the team more than #5

  74. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    I believe if noesi was still with the team, the strategy would have been different, not that the outcome would be different but the strategy sure is.

  75. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “Hes not ready.”

    neither is anyone else on the team apparently. Montero crushed the ball in August and has an OPS over 1 against LHP for the season….why not

  76. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    It’s the tightness on the curve. Any decent offspeed pitch in the minors with a good fastball will get you places. His 12-6 curve was too slow and looping. The tighter one he is starting to throw looks a lot better and was great during his good stretch a couple weeks back. And it sets up his fastball. His velocity was fine tonight. He seemed a bit amped and was missing high in the zone. The offspeed was a decent change of pace, but location was pretty poor on all of those so not much to say about that. The cutter he really didn’t throw. The big downers to me were him being aggressive early in the game and then went back to nibbleing later and his inability to take advantge of the situation. CC was not good but hung in there. Tonight Hughes was not good, but was handed the lead. You have to start like you are up 1-0 and simply try to hold them off.

  77. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    DJ
    Grandy
    Arod
    Cano
    Montero
    Tex
    Swish
    Martin
    Gardner

  78. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    mick,

    you can let him continue to start and then transition him to the pen for the postseason anyway if you wanted to……we’ll see.

  79. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    blake, look if we could get rid of aj i would put phil in the 5 spot and try to beat out colon or fredy
    but i dont think thats what they will do

  80. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Blake – reread the he’s nt ready comment

  81. sunny615 August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Come playoff time, this team is in trouble.

  82. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    that lucky hit by Varitek and the IBB to Ortiz.

    =============================

    You don’t intentionally walk Ortiz to pitch to Jed Lowrie?

    Girardi was right there. Hughes didn’t get it done.

  83. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    hughes did not have a great first half of 2010 because the scouts didn’t scout him as a starter. That is absurd. If you watched him pitch during that stretch he was extremely good. Lots of swings and misses and good control, no walks. Next someone is going to say he only looked good because teams were using wiffle ball bats

  84. JobaTipsHisCap August 31st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Yankees fail

  85. blake August 31st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Carlo,

    gotcha ;)

    mick,

    I don’t know what they are going to do….to be honest I think they’ll keep the 6 man another turn through. They are afraid to make a decision.

  86. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    good baseball talk no matter what the intelligencia say
    nite all…

  87. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    The Hughes / aj debate is pointless. Neither is a useful starter in 2011, Hughes may be a valuable reliever. Improve where u can……play the cards u r dealt

  88. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Phranchise, it’s a tricky thing evaluating minor league pitchers, isn’t it? If pitchers with a good FB/off-speed pitch can dominate the minors, then how do you determine which ones will be good major league pitchers? There must be a lot of guys in the minors with very good to excellent numbers. Which ones are the studs?

  89. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    I think they’ll keep the 6 man another turn through. They are afraid to make a decision.
    ===============
    no way blake

  90. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Phranchise, can we have a discussion or are you going to refer to all my posts as absurd? I’m going to assume the latter so have a good night.

  91. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    I think teams used whiffle all bats in 1h 2010 when facing hughes

  92. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Oh, and please disregard my prior comment to you. Thanks!

  93. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Lester is pitching and Jesus has been destroying southpaws.

    =======================

    He’s been hitting AAA southpaws, not high end MLB lefites. Lester is light years better than anyone he’s ever seen. Expectations should not be too high early on. There will likely be an adjustment period.

  94. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    They may go to plan b to make the rotation decision

  95. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    hughes did not have a great first half of 2010 because the scouts didn’t scout him as a starter. That is absurd.
    ======================
    You are absurd for trying to have a conversation with her.
    It’s her way or the highway.

  96. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Blake, I don’t think so ; I really think they wanted AJ in the rotation anyway, for a multitude of reasons. I assume that all AJ has to do is be decent tomorrow……….but again, it’s not a big deal either way.

  97. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    It’s like a roller coster watching Hughes pitch. Even when he has his good/decent stuff he mises over the plate too often and gets smacked around. Because of injuries and not developing his secondary pitches he is so far behind in his development than he should be. It’s also not a good sign that after the 1st or 2nd inning his velocity and stuff gets worse. He and AJ are both projects for different reasons.

  98. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I don’t care what AJ does tomorrow I still think Hughes needs to stay in the rotation.

  99. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Bottom line.

    Hughes was pitching decent until an awful meatball to Ortiz and then he went downhill.

    Logan made the exact same mistake

    If Tex is going to bat cleanup he has to start hitting in this series. He really has only had one good hitting streak this year. Always a bad starter and finishes hot. Not seeing it this year. Hope it’s being saved for playoff time. He hasn’t been bad, but not up to his abilities for sure.

  100. mick August 31st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    You guys should be happy.
    We have our rotation for the post.
    Hughes and AJ are out.
    Rejoice!

    Jesus is Coming!

  101. RadioKev August 31st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Phil Hughes had pitched in the bigs in 2008 and 2009. No one scouted him or something?

  102. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Mick,

    They’ll.want to give Sabathia extra rest because he threw so many pitches

    Mell,

    You could say that about any kid brought up though…..not unheard of for them to catch lightning in a bottle for awhile to.start……there is always an adjustment period…..but it’s not always right away that a player struggles. It may be the case with Montero…..but it may not be.

  103. Vineyard Yankee August 31st, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Is there tar on that highway ?

  104. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    he was still throwing 93 in the 6th

    —–

    How many pitches did he throw at 93 according to pitch FX?

  105. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Seriously lol
    ———-

    craigcalcaterra
    FYI: You can’t clap when you cross home plate, but this is totally cool: http://tinyurl.com/3pxmyn9

  106. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    LOL a moth flew in his eye in that Reddick at bat?

  107. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Mick — guess so.

    Well 1.5 out, a game out in the loss column I believe.

    Need a miracle tomorrow, but really psyched to see what we have or could have in Montero for the rest of the year. Going in thinking we are bound to lose, the only way forward is up.

  108. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Oh please, give me a break, Radio. He hardly had any starts in 2008 and most of those were horrible because he was hurt – and he was in the pen for most of 2009. I did NOT say that the ONLY reason he was good in …..oh forget it, believe whatever you want.

  109. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Betsy,

    I just think they probably want somebody to pitch well….whether it be Hughes or AJ. I would keep Hughes in the rotation because I still think he could find his form in September. I don’t have really any faith that AJ is going to be anything but what he is.

  110. mick August 31st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    They’ll.want to give Sabathia extra rest because he threw so many pitches
    ===============
    blake , i thought they want him on 4 days rest

  111. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Blake:

    I agree. Just think we should temper expectations. Jason Heyward was better than Montero (both the same age) and look at how tough it’s been on him. Montero may have an edge being 2 yrs older when he hits the bigs, but he’s still quite young. It’s the biggest step up he’ll ever take. Won’t be easy at first.

  112. 4 train August 31st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    betsy chic. your still here i see entertaining all with the crap you jot down from the talk dudes and the sports pages that are about the hughes guy. you are a marvel for boring betsy chic. what do you know about baseball away from the hughes guy. zilch. boring stuff betsy chic

  113. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:56 pm
    Lester is pitching and Jesus has been destroying southpaws.

    =======================

    He’s been hitting AAA southpaws, not high end MLB lefites. Lester is light years better than anyone he’s ever seen. Expectations should not be too high early on. There will likely be an adjustment period.

    —-

    Who else would you DH? A-Rod can field so if he is healthy enough to hit he’ll play 3B. Chavez is a lhh and it would probably be prudent to give him a day off. Posada has not hit lhp well this year. You want to DH Nunez?

    Montero is the logical choice. He’s a top prospect, no need to baby him. Other young guys on other teams come up and hit.

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Hughes was not bad tonight, the Varitek double was an outstanding pitch; Varitek golfed it off his shoe tops. The first inning shows he is capable of throwing 94-95 and his curve ball was superb. His arm strength isn’t there yet coming back from the injury and he can’t maintain it at this point deep into games. I think he should have an 80 pitch limit the rest of the year if he stays in the rotation. He’s obviously a big part of the Yankees future rotation plans. He’s clearly much better than AJ.

  115. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Mell August 31st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
    that lucky hit by Varitek and the IBB to Ortiz.

    =============================

    You don’t intentionally walk Ortiz to pitch to Jed Lowrie?

    Girardi was right there. Hughes didn’t get it done.
    ——————————

    He struck him out the previous at bat. Let him go after him. Putting an extra man on base usually never works.

  116. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Blake, I don’t think AJ is going to be any better than who he is, but I don’t think Phil is going to be all that either. We’re not talking that many starts and since Hughes is going to the pen for the post-season (and AJ, but whatever) maybe it’s just as well they start transitioning him now. Let him start completely over next year?

  117. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    CC-Colon-Garcia-Nova in the playoffs.

    I am probably in the minority but I actually am confident in those 4 come October.

  118. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    The thing that gets me is this…

    Fans gave Cashman a pass for not getting a number 2 starter in the winter because they claimed Phil Hughes could be that guy.

    Now that it’s abundantly clear Phil Hughes is not that guy, many of those same fans will apply zero pressure on the team to get that number 2 starter this winter.

    They refuse to criticize Cashman.

    The staff he gave Girardi was shaky at best.

    Will lightening strike twice like it did with Colon/Garcia in 2011?

    That’s highly unlikely.

    I do not like the looks of the front end of this staff long term as it stands. I guess anything can happen in the off season but Cashman has struck out trade deadline 2010, winter 2010 and now trade deadline 2011. The guy is on a role.

    I like the idea of solving problems and filling holes with in-house solutions. But #2 starter cannot be solved with internal solutions right now.

  119. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Montero could be Cano like coming up or he could need more time.

    One thing is for certain, I will take watching him struggle for a bit with the hope he improves than watching Jorge ground into dps and guess on almost every pitch and keep striking out while watching strike three. He is no better than Varitek is at the plate and that is pretty bad. A few homers, but there is no upside or hope for improvement anymore

  120. pat August 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Robbie offering perspective. :wink:

    RobinsonCanoRobinson Cano
    Wow! Perdimos pero mañana sera otro día. He estado desconectado por los viajes y juegos espero, estén todos bien después del huracán!

  121. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    How many pitches did he throw at 93 according to pitch FX?

    ==============================

    Somehow, LGY, I suspect you know the answer to this question.

  122. mick August 31st, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    He’s clearly much better than AJ.
    ================
    True but his value in the PS lies in the pen. Let him adjust now. AJ down there is a waste.

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Don’t be so sure Colon and Garcia are going to be healthy and performing well in November. I wouldn’t make that bet. It’s a shame we are stuck depending upon those two.

  124. mick August 31st, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    We’re not talking that many starts and since Hughes is going to the pen for the post-season (and AJ, but whatever) maybe it’s just as well they start transitioning him now. Let him start completely over next year?
    ================
    Now youre talking sense.

  125. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Bret, they need pitching help next year yet again……

  126. Nilsson August 31st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Mell,

    The cat’s already out of the bag. Montero is already a high-profile prospect. Might as well let him play now.

  127. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    @DKnobler Hughes’ 6.75 ERA is 2nd worst ever for Yankee with 12-plus starts in a season. Worst was Cone, 6.91 in 2000, when he was 37 years old

  128. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Bret I think Cashman would have loved a number two, but who outside of Lee.

    Grienke, he hasn’t exactly excelled all season in the NL and would have required quite a few prospects.

    Jiminez, has not been all that great for the Indians.

    Liriano was talked about. How good has he been outside the no hitter and a handful of games.

    The list continues. Any other option that was out there wouldn’t have been a number two either and we would have given up a ton. CJ Wilson is as good as many of those names and will be a free agent this year. I don’t love him, but that’s the market.

    I would have like a Buerhle, however, proven vet, just wins games, throws strikes, lefty, been there. But he never got dealt regardless

  129. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:01 pm
    he was still throwing 93 in the 6th

    —–

    How many pitches did he throw at 93 according to pitch FX?
    ———————————————–

    I don’t know where to get those stats. I was going by the YES gun.

  130. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Ok so I might be crazy but I have the game DVR’d and I just saw the Veritek hit that tied up the game and now I have a really stupid question… is a ball allowed to hit outside the foul line and bounce back in before going past 3rd base?

  131. mick August 31st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Don’t be so sure Colon and Garcia are going to be healthy and performing well in November.
    ============
    Good point. Or October either.
    That’s why you can’t throw AJ in the pen to rot.
    Phil can continue to rehab down there & start if he had to.

  132. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Mell,

    Agreed,

    LgY,

    WcYF,

    The pitch to Varitek was a terrible pitch because he can’t catch up to anything close to a good fastball…..they did him a favor with a slow looper and they paid for it.

  133. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Somehow, LGY, I suspect you know the answer to this question.

    ——-

    :P

    That’s what you think of me Mell! Honestly I don’t know the answer.

    I’m at my parents house in Jersey and for some reason the power went out a half hour ago.

  134. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Don’t be so sure Colon and Garcia are going to be healthy and performing well in November

    ==========================

    Yeah, but maybe they will in October. In November? Well, let’s just say I wouldn’t want to be a turkey around Colon.

  135. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    yes… if the ball hits the ground ball first, it is where the ball at when it passes the 3rd base bag to determine whether it is foul or not. That is why the players tried to scoop the ball on the foul territory on a bunt.

  136. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:05 pm
    Hughes was not bad tonight, the Varitek double was an outstanding pitch; Varitek golfed it off his shoe tops. The first inning shows he is capable of throwing 94-95 and his curve ball was superb. His arm strength isn’t there yet coming back from the injury and he can’t maintain it at this point deep into games. I think he should have an 80 pitch limit the rest of the year if he stays in the rotation. He’s obviously a big part of the Yankees future rotation plans. He’s clearly much better than AJ.

    It was a poor start. The only thing he really had was some velocity early in the game. He had control but not command. His curveball was slow and loopy. I wonder where that tight curveball went that we saw briefly a few starts ago. Up to the point where he had only allowed 2 runs I thought he was fairly lucky.

    That said, in general I feel more confident in getting a good start out of Hughes than AJ (now watch AJ will be dominant tomorrow).

  137. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Any big Cliff Lee fan ripping into Hughes at the same time should check out Lee’s first six seasons in the league. Did he look like a Cy Young winner to be? So how can you be so quick to write off Hughes so soon? Maybe if you are in win now mode and want him to be a #2 I understand the frustrations, but thinking he is a nothing pitcher and never will be anything is something else.

  138. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Bret The Hitman,

    Weren’t you the one blasting Cash for not getting Ubaldo?

  139. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    I’d be perfectly fine with Greinke. The Royals demanded a ton but considering what they settled on, Cashman could’ve brought them down on their asking price.

    The Brewers are excellent with him as their number 2. I’d take that 1.14 WHIP in a NY second.

    Greinke is a polished pitcher. You know you’re going to get good strong solid innings from him plus he has big game potential with his stuff.

    That’s a number 2.

  140. Shame Spencer August 31st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Thanks fantasygame I know its simple stuff but Varitek got such a late swing on that ball it hit outside the opposite batters box before shooting straight up the line and I had to do a double take.

  141. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    The AJ/Hughes 5th starter competition can double as the worst starter in franchise history competition.

    YES needs to get on marketing this event.

  142. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    If you watched Beckett and Hughes tonight…..the biggest difference other than fastball command is their breaking balls ……you can just see how much harder and tighter and better Beckett’s is…..and that pitch opens up a lot of other doors for him that Hughes can’t open right now. Phil’s CB is improved…..but its still not a plus pitch at the big league level….

  143. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Triple,

    It’s early on Ubaldo.

    He K’d 10 in his last start.

    He has a big arm. He’s still young. We’ll see…

  144. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    LGY:

    I almost called you a lawyer. Sorry about that. Your lights just went out? Mine just came back about 3 hours ago.

    Looks like hit 93 a bunch per PitchFX. He lost a little as he went on, but on the night his average 4 seamer was 92.6. Velocity was OK tonight.

  145. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    If Hughes doesn’t have the velocity problem early in the year. His season would be much much better. And also we all said he was going to have a down year this year as a lot pitchers usually have a bad sophomore year. After a good 1st year.

  146. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    shame…. actually, the ball should start first on the fair territory then go foul then go inside. If the ball first hit the ground in foul territory, it is a foul ball.

  147. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    With Lester and Beckett going 4 out of 7 games in a possible ALCS match-up . . .and Halladay, Lee and Hamels going 5 out of 7 games in a potential WS match-up. Good luck Yankees.

  148. Carlo August 31st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Agree with LGY. I’m confident with the 4 starters mentioned for this october. However, this offseason better entail a total makeover of this rotation because if nova is anything but ur #4 on paper come april, with hughes behind him maybe even 2 slots, its gonna be a long year.

  149. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Bret The Hitman,

    But its not too early for Hughes?

  150. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Grienke’s stats are NL stats. So I never trust them. He is a bit of a headcase. You think AJ has issues would love to see Grienke deal with pitching here. When he pitched in NY this real he looked awful. I am not saying he isn’t good, but never has pitched in a big game, never here and never consistently in the AL east. Throw in the mental side and I cannot blame anyone for not seeing doom in making a big move for him.

  151. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Beckett also has a great FB – there’s not much in common between the two

  152. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Mell,

    Heyward was pretty good though to start with…..remember he hit one about 430 feet in his first big league AB and was in contention for rookie of the year last year. He’s been hurt all year this year and that’s screwed him up. My point was that the adjustments will need to be made……but not all players struggle immediately when they are called up…..some take off like a rocket and the struggles come later when the league adjusts to them. So yea expectations should be tempered but I don’t think there is anything wrong with hoping he can make an immediate impact.

  153. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    The pitch to Varitek was a terrible pitch because he can’t catch up to anything close to a good fastball…..they did him a favor with a slow looper and they paid for it.

    *********

    It was low and outside off the plate and he golfed if 6 inches off the ground barely fair and it took a funky hop. That’s a good pitch and what happens in baseball.

  154. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Triple,

    Don’t tell me you’re expecting Hughes to be the number 2?

    Are you one of those fans who will not insist on Cashman reconfiguring the front end of this staff long term?

    You’re going to plug Hughes in there instead of Haren, Greinke, now Ubaldo and close your eyes?

  155. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Yankees thinks greinke is not big city material. He had a melt down pitching in kansas city.

  156. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
    Triple,

    It’s early on Ubaldo.

    He K’d 10 in his last start.

    He has a big arm. He’s still young. We’ll see…
    ————————————————–

    Hughes is 2 years younger and Ublado has over 400ip more than Hughes. Why does Hughes not get the benefit of the doubt?

  157. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Grienke’s stats are NL stats. So I never trust them. He is a bit of a headcase.

    *******

    Excuse for Cashman. The WHIP is 1.14. You take that.

  158. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    You can’t compare Hughes to Ubaldo. Ubaldo had a better season than Hughes will ever have. Ubaldo has better stuff than Hughes.

    I can’t believe I actually have to state that out loud.

    But the comparisons are there, like they’re equals or something.

    Phil Hughes is not the equal of Ubaldo Jimenez…and he never will be.

  159. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    What can the Yankees do to reconfigure their staff? It’s not easy – maybe impossible – to go out and get a #2 pitcher.

  160. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Unfortunately for Hughes, I think he will be the one to go to the bullpen because:

    1. He has pitched in the bullpen recently, and had success
    2. He’s younger than AJ and more able to adapt; AJ has pitched only 4 games in relief his entire career, and none with the Yankees.
    3. AJ would probably take it harder than Hughes
    4. AJ makes $16mil/year

    But I’m sure it will only be for the remainder of this season.

  161. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Wcyf,

    To some hitters maybe…..throwing tek a 74 mph breaking ball is doing him a favor. He took a garbage swing at it and got lucky…..but I just didn’t like that pitch selection.

  162. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Mell

    I meant how many times just in the 6th inning.

    Yeah I’m not sure what’s going on. My parents were fortunate enough to not lose power during the storm but the whole neighborhood just went out during the 8th inning of the game.

    The best part. I waited on hold with PSE&G for 30 minutes and hung up when the electricity came back on. 5 minutes later it was out again. :mad:

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Wcyf, To some hitters maybe…..throwing tek a 74 mph breaking ball is doing him a favor. He took a garbage swing at it and got lucky…..but I just didn’t like that pitch selection.

    ***********

    You don’t think that is a little bit of second guessing? He could have missed it or hit a weak grounder to third. Hughes got him to swing at a ball out of the zone a few inches off the ground. I’ll take our chances anytime – that was luck. Happens in baseball.

  164. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Not making an excuse for Cashman I am saying flat out that I would not make the trade for him above other pitchers if it cost a lot in the way of prospects. AJ had multiple years of whips of 1.19, 1.19 and 1.17 in his career too. When you have an easy out 1 out of 9 hitters you should naturally have a lower whip. And again I think Grienke is a good pitcher, but enough question marks about him pitching here that I would much prefer another option.

  165. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    To some hitters maybe…..throwing tek a 74 mph breaking ball is doing him a favor. He took a garbage swing at it and got lucky…..but I just didn’t like that pitch selection

    ======================

    I don’t know Blake. Ayala’s 92 MPH heater got lost in the Boston bullpen a little later. I was sh*t location, but Hughes’ location wasn’t exactly aces. It’s not Varitek can’t turn on a poorly located fastball. Just about anyone can.

  166. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Night all Montero arrives tomorrow! Put him in there Joe :)

  167. Mell August 31st, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    It’s not AS THOUGH Varitek…..

  168. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Betsy,

    These other GM’s who are scooping up the Haren’s, Greinke’s and Ubaldo’s are not making excuses. They’re not whining about price tags.

    The point here is…Phil Hughes may rebound next year and stick as a major league pitcher…but he will never be a number 2. The sooner Cashman accepts that, the better off he will be when building this rotation long term.

    I am so glad Buchholz is out. I’m jealous of the front end of Boston’s staff as it is. It’s built to last and ours isn’t yet.

  169. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Yankees need another lefty out of the bullpen. Not that Mike Gonzalez would be that guy, but the Yankees were trying to trade for him today.

    If they don’t get a lefty for the bullpen, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees don’t still go after a starting pitcher who has cleared waivers, especially if Burnett fails again tomorrow. If that happens I suspect Hughes and his early innings high heat fastball @95 will go to the bullpen for now and Burnett will have to watch from the bench, after the Yankees obtain another pitcher.

    Would love to see Montero in the game tomorrow catching one of his AAA teammates rather than AJ.

  170. Ed Whitson August 31st, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Senor fist pump sure came up small tonight.

  171. blake August 31st, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Mell,

    Ayala isn’t very good.

    Wcyf,

    Maybe…..im just really bitter about it more than anything.

    Im really out this time…..have a good night. Don’t worry….AJ is pitching tomorrow …..we.got this.

  172. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    You can’t compare Hughes to Ubaldo. Ubaldo had a better season than Hughes will ever have. Ubaldo has better stuff than Hughes.

    I can’t believe I actually have to state that out loud.

    But the comparisons are there, like they’re equals or something.

    Phil Hughes is not the equal of Ubaldo Jimenez…and he never will be.
    —————————————————–

    Again Ubaldo has more innings. More time to improve on his stuff. This is Hughes 2nd as a full time starter. And only has 59.2ip and it’s Sept. So this would be another half season if he doesn’t get the next possible 5 or 6 starts coming up.

  173. Captain Clutch August 31st, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Cashman’s biggest mistake was not pulling the trigger on Haren. Lee had no interest in coming here and I really don’t think the Yanks offering more money would of changed his mind. The starting pitching really has to improve if the Yanks want to go toe to toe with the Phillies, Sox or any of top rotations in baseball.

  174. P August 31st, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Glad Mark Tex really contributes to games that count. I absolutely HATE Mark Teixiera and his overrated bull crap !!!!!

    I wish he was out of New York, I’d settle for just about anybody. How much worse can you then Tex has this year again Boston? He’s batting a .125 not counting today’s game. What does he do tonight? Just another 0-fer…

    Hate me all you want.. Boston is a better team all around this year and if they didn’t have the major injuries they’ve had we’d probably be much further back. We can’t beat them and look like a scrubby team when we play them.

    Did I say I hate Mark Tex? He’s a bum period !!!!

  175. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Bret, I’m not sure why you’re blaming Cashman, though (and I’m no fan of his). I would not have traded all that for Jimenez and I absolutely did not want Greinke – I’m still glad we don’t have him; I will never regret not trading for him. Haren was a huge mistake, but mostly because he assumed he had Lee, not because of anything to do with Phil.

    I’m pretty sure Cashman is in no way depending on Hughes next year – I’m not even sure Hughes is guaranteed a spot in the rotation.

  176. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Playing devils advocate here.

    I think Hughes has the stuff to be a #2 at some point, just not there yet. Which is fine, but most won’t be patient here. Ian Kennedy is having a great year and he was chucked out the door after a year.

    But Jiminez can throw 97 along with other pitches. You can cover mistakes when you throw that hard. But here’s the wrinkle. He isn’t doing that anymore he is 93-94 just like Hughes. And as such he has been hit or miss in his starts.

    So I didn’t want him and again another NL pitcher.

  177. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    P,

    Upsets happen. The most we can do is hope for an upset in the playoffs. So much would have to go our way to beat that team in their park though if they win HFA.

  178. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    We have seen when Hughes is right he has no-hit type stuff. And that was without a changeup
    or good curve. They keep changing his repertoire so he still has to get a good feel for those pitches. That’s why he needs to stay in the rotation and get that work in. AJ is what he is. Aj doesn’t need this next month of starts.

  179. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    People are expecting Phil to be dominating out of the pen simply because occasionally he has early innings when he throws hard. We’ve seen it plenty of times before – major league hitters can hit straight FB or FB with no life, regardless of how hard the pitch is thrown.

  180. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Bash Tex, but A Gone and his .172 BA against the Yankees doesn’t impress either

  181. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    I don’t think anyone is expecting Hughes to be dominating out of the pen. He could be good there, maybe not. Regardless, I suspect that’s where he’s headed for the rest of this year. If they put AJ in the bullpen or find another pitcher for the 5th spot I’d be surprised.

  182. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    I’m pretty sure Cashman is in no way depending on Hughes next year – I’m not even sure Hughes is guaranteed a spot in the rotation.

    *********

    I agree but the fans need to catch up and accept that Hughes is NOT the number 2 and something needs to be done to bolster this rotation long-term.

    Give CC a sidekick.

    No whining. No excuses. Accept the market for what it is and pay big, bargain down as much as you can of course…

  183. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Bret The Hitman,

    I have been on record here questioning the non move of getting Haren. Grienke I wanted no part of. The guy’s mental makeup would never play here and its not like he has been the model of consistency either. he had one outlier of a year. Other then that year he wouldn’t even be a solid 2 on the Yankees. He is barely that on Mil and a case could be made that he is the number 3 guy there.

    I thought Weaver was going to go to free agency and I figured we would go all in on him but so much for that. Maybe Hamels goes to free angency. Darvish possibly. I’m hoping One of the B’s take that number 2 slot

  184. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Jack, that’s where he’s headed – even if not now, then for the post-season……..same with AJ.

  185. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Phranchise,

    Mark is hitting 120 and last time I checked Gonzo doesn’t play for the Yankees. When Mark is hitting 100 points better then Gonzo I’ll start to blast him

  186. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Bret, it’s not up to fans to lecture other fans about players. I wouldn’t try to convince anyone to see things the way I do because I could be wrong. Plus, no one things Phil is going to be the #2 next year and I’m sure most would agree that we need pitching………..but you don’t give up the farm for anyone.

  187. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Phil Hughes has number one stuff, anyone who watched the first inning can see that. The Yankees know that, he has been plagued with injuries, shoulder inflammation, etc., this is a rough season for him.

    Next year if healthy, he is a rotation lock.

  188. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Neither Banuelos or Betances will be a #2 pitcher in the next couple of years. Neither will likely be in the rotation next year and when one or the other is in the 2013 rotation, they will be a #5. Thus, we need pitching – and it’s impossible to find.

  189. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    CC’s sidekick was meant to be AJ. That was the point.

    There are no easy #2s to get.

    Verlander doesn’t have one. CJ Wilson doesn’t.

    Lester was developed thru the system. Sox don’t have a 3,4 or 5.

    CC’s may end up being internal or might be an underwhelming CJ Wilson this winter. Like him, just can’t get my head around him being good for years

  190. jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    I think Hughes is definitely penciled in as part of the rotation next year.

  191. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:35 pm
    Bret, I’m not sure why you’re blaming Cashman, though (and I’m no fan of his). I would not have traded all that for Jimenez and I absolutely did not want Greinke – I’m still glad we don’t have him; I will never regret not trading for him. Haren was a huge mistake, but mostly because he assumed he had Lee, not because of anything to do with Phil.

    I’m pretty sure Cashman is in no way depending on Hughes next year – I’m not even sure Hughes is guaranteed a spot in the rotation.
    ———————————————————–

    I don’t know why not? He should be given a chance next year. So far his first 60ip haven’t been great. But what’s to say his next 60 won’t be?

  192. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Betsy,

    Wilson or Darvish could be that number 2 guy this off season

  193. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    They need to unpencil him.

  194. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Igotid, we’ll see………….he could be in a competition with Noesi or some other young pitcher. No one just deserves a chance, you have to go earn it………..All we can do is wait and see.

  195. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Someone better let Banuelos and Betances know they are destined to battle it out for the number five spot in 2013. Tell them sorry, but the LoHud genius that doesn’t know the difference between control and command had a vision.

  196. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    There are a few starting pitchers, if they become available during the year because of pending FA that would possibly be worth a look:
    Matt Cain (28)
    John Danks (28)
    Gavin Floyd (30) – $9.5MM club option
    Zack Greinke (28)
    Cole Hamels (29)
    Dan Haren (32) – $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
    Colby Lewis (33)
    Francisco Liriano (29)
    Shaun Marcum (31)
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Jonathan Sanchez (30)
    Ervin Santana (30) – $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    James Shields (31) – $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout

  197. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    How can we say Darvish is a potential #2 with Japanese pitchers track records and having not pitched inthe major leagues? Yankees may sign him, but they wouldn’t hopefully be counting on him being anything more than a 4 starter.

    And barring injuries Hughes and Nova are locks for the rotation next year.

  198. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Triple, absolutely no way do I want Darvish – and even if I did, I would never count on him to be a #2. Wilson is a good pitcher, but a #2? In this division? I wouldn’t throw big $$$ after him

  199. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Says the big dope who thinks throwing hard for one inning or two or even three equates to having #1 stuff. LOL

  200. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
    Igotid, we’ll see………….he could be in a competition with Noesi or some other young pitcher. No one just deserves a chance, you have to go earn it………..All we can do is wait and see.
    ——————————–

    But why does he have to earn it? He’s always having to earn it. Does that mean AJ has to earn it?

  201. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Trader,

    Are you saying Cashman gets a pass this winter?

    Watch, another GM will swoop and pay market for a top shelf starter.

    But Cashman always gets to wait.

  202. sammiejohnson August 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    Tomorrow, Lester versus AJ? ROFL!!!

    So glad I am going to a concert.

    ___________________

    The Village People must be in town.

  203. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Igotid, fine with me – let there be a free for all for the last spots in the rotation, lol

  204. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    I would love to see a winter trade to get Matt Cain. Young big kid, great stuff, WS ring under his belt, entering his prime years. That’s what you target.

  205. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Good night all. No mention of Aroldis Chapman, who was available for a mere 30M!!

    Get some rest tonight Jesus. You’ll be making an appearance tomorrow!! :)

  206. West Coast Yankee Fan August 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    jacksquat August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    I think Hughes is definitely penciled in as part of the rotation next year.

    ***********

    Absolutely.

  207. fantasygame101 August 31st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    liriano will be available in the offseason.

  208. Bret The Hitman August 31st, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Aroldis Chapman…another goose egg for Cashman.

    I’d like to get Matt Cain too but we don’t match up well with the Giants unless they think Montero is a 1b.

  209. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Betsy,

    I was given two possible number 2′s. There are no other possibilities right now this off season. Wilson would be our second best pitcher right now.

    Why do you think Darvish couldn’t be at least a number 3 guy?

  210. Phranchise August 31st, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Liriano has a 4.84 era and a 1.49 whip and has only shown glimpses post surgery of what he could have been. No thanks. He would cost too much in the first place.

  211. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Triple, maybe he’ll prove to be, but no way would I count on him to be that. We’re talking next year – and there’s just nothing out there. I would rather sit tight than throw $$$ and undeserving pitchers.

  212. Triple Short of a Cycle August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Matt Cain? How about living in reality and suggesting something that might actually happen

  213. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:52 pm
    Igotid, fine with me – let there be a free for all for the last spots in the rotation, lol
    —————————–

    Hughes will be the #2 or #3 next year barring any injury. Most likely 2.

  214. LGY August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    The Yankees and Sox haven’t faced each other in a playoff series since 2004.

    This whole obsession with how these teams match up in the ALCS does not compute.

    How about they both get past the ALDS first???

  215. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Why would the Giants trade Matt Cain?

  216. Yankee Trader August 31st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Bret-

    No, I didn’t even hint that Cashman gets a pass. I listed some starters that clubs might not want to resign for whatever reason that could be trade bait, even this offseason.

    Anyway let’s get thru this season first.

    Good night all.

  217. Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Igotid, I have no idea what you base that on, but we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    LGY, yep………….

  218. igotid88 August 31st, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I just that if Montero goes 0-3 tomorrow. He’s not punished and doesn’t see an at bat 2 weeks later

  219. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Betsy,

    Look they caught lightning in a bottle this year with Garcia and Colon. Counting on that 2 years in a row is a tall order if they sit pat again. I don’t see them getting Darvish but if Wilson leaves Texas I think the Yankees will strongly target him.

    I really hope not getting Haren doesn’t hamper them for years to come. Lee being a free agent also effected their judgement on Haren as well i think

  220. Phranchise September 1st, 2011 at 12:01 am

    To land Cain it would have to be Montero, Betcances and at least a few other guys high ceiling but lower levels.

    That’s why for what the Jays gave up for Rasmus I would have made a stab for him. If nothing else a top prospect OF you could have included in an offseason trade if you didn’t have a spot for him.

  221. pat September 1st, 2011 at 12:01 am

    And it is now 1 minute past trade deadline.

  222. 4 train September 1st, 2011 at 12:02 am

    betsy chic thinks she’s the sj44 dude or one of the other baseball guys wgo really know what their rapping about. betsy chic is a non wantabee. go to bed .

  223. Betsy September 1st, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Triple, I totally agree about Garcia and Colon………….They might target Wilson, but that could backfire.

    Cashman made a huge mistake with Haren – he assumed Lee was his. I don’t spend any time regretting it because what’s the point? It does no good to keep looking back………….but it was not his finest hour to be sure.

  224. P September 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    http://riveraveblues.com/tag/mark-teixeira/

  225. Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Anthopoulos is targeting Darvish, that means you know he is good. Better get Yu before the blue jays do!

  226. Yankee Trader September 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Betsy-

    Why did the Blue Jays trade Doc Halladay?

    One never knows what the future will hold for some teams. Who knew a few years ago that the Dodgers wouldn’t be able to meet payroll without help.

    Now really I’m outta here.

  227. Phranchise September 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    If they overpaid for Soriano, paid Feliciano, etc. Don’t see how they don’t offer CJ Wilson something fairly sizeable. Not many options. The more the rotation is in shambles the more you push CC to opt out and leave as well. So need to shore that up before disaster sets in

  228. stuart a September 1st, 2011 at 12:03 am

    the sux get 10 hits every night against the yankee starters.

    btw has there ever been a weaker 30 100 + then tex. this guy stinks. yep he does. the guy is hitting 247………..

  229. igotid88 September 1st, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Betsy August 31st, 2011 at 11:58 pm
    Igotid, I have no idea what you base that on, but we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

    LGY, yep………….
    —————————-
    the same thing you’re basing he won’t be next year.

  230. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Considering that both Colon and Garcia have pitched like #2s in the regular season what if ya know the unthinkable :roll: happens and they continue to perform at a high level in October?

    Does this really all come back to how the Yankees have played and in particular pitched against Boston this year?

    We as Yankee fans have seen too many times what seems like a great match up turn to crap in October. We have been Kenny Rogers’d.

    October is a whole new ballgame. Let it play out and stop expecting the worst. You sound like Red Sox fans.

  231. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:05 am

    There is no success on River Avenue if you don’t beat the Red Sux. In the last decade, the ten year period from 2001 to 2010 inclusive, the Sux have won two world championships in 2004 and 2007 and the Yankees have won one in 2009. If the Sux win it all this year, that will be three out of the last eight years.

    That would just make me ill. That is what all this boils down to, for me. If we lose and the Sux also lose, it’s far easier to take. Would I be rooting for the Phillies against the Sux if we don’t get there? You’re damn right I would be.

  232. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:05 am

    Yankee Trader,

    They traded him for money reasons something the Giants aren’t faced with

  233. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:06 am

    4 train,

    sounds like you got some women issues dude

  234. Betsy September 1st, 2011 at 12:06 am

    YT, they traded Doc because they wanted to give him a chance to win, something they couldn’t do – he was no youngster. I’d be shocked if Cain became available………….it’s not something I would ever speculate about as I think it’s a waste of time until it happens

  235. UnKnown September 1st, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Seriously Karl Ravech. Sets up the highlight of Varitek going deep by calling him “El Capitan”

    Losers on NESPN make me so furious.

    Hey Ravech I will make a deal with you, you never disrespect Jeter like that again and Jeter will never put a dumb *ss blue C on his jersery. idiot.

  236. Betsy September 1st, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Igotid, the Yankees are not going to make Phil their #2 or #3 – maybe he will or will not prove to be that good next year, but they do not know what they will get from him next year. Nova looks like the #2 right now…..Garcia if he’s back would be the #3

  237. Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:09 am

    How can we say Darvish is a potential #2 with Japanese pitchers track records and having not pitched inthe major leagues?

    The same way you project any minor leaguer. Darvish is pitching a 1 ERA against stiffer competition than any minor league player and has very good stuff and command of it. He is much more polished pitcher than Banuelos or Betances and he is only 1 and a half years older than Dellin. He is 6’5 and throws 95 and has a really creative and competitive mentality on the mound.

  238. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    There is no success on River Avenue if you don’t beat the Red Sux

    ——-

    Um….

    They won the WS in 96, 98, 2000, and 2009 without going through the Sox.

  239. m September 1st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Bright side, we’re still only 1 back in the loss column.

    One point, though. The Sox offense is very good. And that ball park, ugh.

    Logan got his payback for calling the Sox the 2nd best offense in the league last night.

    Sox are +8 over the Yankees this season, but only 1 up on us in the loss column.

    I know, I know, we can’t beat the Sox this year. But you never know what can happen.

  240. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Jerkface – I am curious. What do you think of Scalia and Clarence Thomas? You a fan or not?

  241. Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am

    I don’t think of them.

  242. m September 1st, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Who cares if Phil gets squeezed out of the rotation.

    Despite a bad 2 games, he’s shown that he’s healthy.

    Anyone want to bet that Phil is NOT in the rotation in April?

    We’re lucky that Colon, Garcia, and Ivan have helped cover for Phil’s uneven season.

  243. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Don’t be evasive.

  244. 4 train September 1st, 2011 at 12:15 am

    triple guy….no issues with the ladies at all my man just people who rap bs like you and betsy chic and the old jobatipscaps, syd dude, aci cat. you fools gey on here with all this i know it all when you people know ziltch.

  245. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:16 am

    LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:12 am

    They won the WS in 96, 98, 2000, and 2009 without going through the Sox.

    ***********

    I am not talking about going through them, I am talking about who wins in the end. That was pretty clear.

  246. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:18 am

    . . . and I am talking about the last decade, ten years. The current era.

  247. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I am not talking about going through them, I am talking about who wins in the end. That was pretty clear.

    ——

    “There is no success on River Avenue if you don’t beat the Red Sux”

    There has been plenty of success on River Avenue without beating the Sox and can be this year.

  248. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:20 am

    4 train,

    Bravo on mastering the English language. Outstanding

  249. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:22 am

    As I have noted before LGY you are just too intellectually challenged. Never mind.

  250. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Jerkface – I am curious. What do you think of Scalia and Clarence Thomas? You a fan or not?

    So much for not bringing politics into the discussion. Why don’t you just come out and ask the guy if he is a conservative or not

  251. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:25 am

    My arbitrary end point is the past 3 years.

    Yankees 1
    Red Sox 0

  252. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Here LGY – allow me to spell it out for you so you can understand. In the last ten years the bad witch has grabbed two apples. And the good witch has grabbed one.

    So, if the bad witch grabs another apple this year, that will mean the bad witch has three apples in the last eleven years to the good witches one. Or three apples in the last eight years.

    Understand now?

  253. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Jerkface – I am curious. What do you think of Scalia and Clarence Thomas? You a fan or not?

    So much for not bringing politics into the discussion. Why don’t you just come out and ask the guy if he is a conservative or not

    *************

    Your name Jerkface?

  254. Triple Short of a Cycle September 1st, 2011 at 12:28 am

    WCYF,

    I’ve been called that and worse before

  255. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Actually the correct way to do it for us non intellectually challenged folk is this.

    The last 3 years the bad witch has grabbed ZERO apples. And the good witch has grabbed one.

    Yay for the good witch!!

  256. 98NYY September 1st, 2011 at 12:28 am

    The GOOD the BAD and the UGLY…you set the order…AJ and Montero and the ultimate outcome…one other thought…has Jorge seen his last start as a Yankee?

  257. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:29 am

    It’s late at night and there is no harm discussing anything. He obviously chose not to answer which is his right. He knows why I asked.

  258. Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I have no opinion on any of the justices, nor do I care for your opinion on them. They have nothing to do with Yu Darvish.

  259. pat September 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    BloggingBombersMark Feinsand
    Source tells the Daily News that along with Jesus Montero, the Yankees will add Brandon Laird, Chris Dickerson & Scott Proctor to roster.

  260. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:32 am

    LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:28 am

    Actually the correct way to do it for us non intellectually challenged folk is this. The last 3 years the bad witch has grabbed ZERO apples. And the good witch has grabbed one. Yay for the good witch!!

    *************

    Except that a three year period of time is completely arbitrary and ten years is not. That is why there is a name for a ten year period, a decade. It’s an accepted period of time to measure and evaluate things. Not to short a sample size – and not to long of one.

    Maybe you haven’t studied decades yet in third grade. You will soon.

  261. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:33 am

    sp – too short and too long

  262. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:34 am

    Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I have no opinion on any of the justices, nor do I care for your opinion on them. They have nothing to do with Yu Darvish.

    *************

    Wink!

  263. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Of course this whole grabbing apples discussion is quite stupid as the original point of there being no success unless you beat the Sox is not supported by the example.

    When the Red Sox franchise comes close to 27 World Championships then maybe you have a point.

    Of course, I can see how a Red Sox fan would like to pick some arbitrary end point in a feeble attempt to compare their second rate franchise to that of the New York Yankees.

    But it’s okay because we Yankee fans know the real truth.

  264. West Coast Yankee Fan September 1st, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Right, I am a Red Sux fan. The typical inane response from the lunatic fringe when soundly defeated on the playing ground of ideas. Dismissed.

  265. LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Maybe you haven’t studied decades yet in third grade. You will soon.

    ——-

    LOL.

    Quick. Without googling, what year did the current decade start in?

  266. UnKnown September 1st, 2011 at 12:40 am

    LGY September 1st, 2011 at 12:35

    +1

  267. Jerkface September 1st, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Literally have no idea what you are talking about. Care to share with the class?

  268. igotid88 September 1st, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Betsy September 1st, 2011 at 12:08 am
    Igotid, the Yankees are not going to make Phil their #2 or #3 – maybe he will or will not prove to be that good next year, but they do not know what they will get from him next year. Nova looks like the #2 right now…..Garcia if he’s back would be the #3
    —————————————–

    Who knows after spring training? Hughes was going to be their #2 this season. Unfortunately he had arm problems.

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