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Postgame notes: “Definitely something I can work with”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 02, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The conversation came between starts, some time between A.J. Burnett’s nine-run debacle in Baltimore and his got-the-job-done start tonight in Boston.

“When we talked, it was basically me telling him what I’d seen through time,” Larry Rothschild said. “I don’t want to get into details of the conversation. I said, ‘Look, you might not like what I say, but here’s what’s out there. Here’s where I think we have to go.’ And he was great. Really good… I give him a lot of credit for what he did tonight.”

This was the first time since June 29 that Burnett allowed fewer than three runs in a start. He lasted just 5.1 innings, but he made only one critical mistake tonight, and that was the two-run homer to Dustin Pedroia. Other than the first two batters in the fourth, he didn’t let a runner past first base until the sixth.

“I felt pretty comfortable for the most part, new gig and all,” Burnett said. “I was just really relaxed out there tonight and went one pitch at a time. I didn’t miss over the plate a lot. I missed over the plate basically twice, both to Pedroia. My misses were down and even though I was behind on a lot of guys, they weren’t able to square a lot up because of that.”

Burnett’s new “gig” is a slight change to his mechanics. He’s changed where his hands start — both in the windup and out of the stretch — and there’s less of a turn in his delivery.

“Minor changes,” he said. “But major to a guy who’s been pitching the same way for 11 years. I looked at it with an open mind and it felt good… It’s definitely something I can work with. I felt real comfortable out there. I’ve only really been working on that for three days. I’ve been pitching the same way for 11 years, so it’s a big change, but as the game went on I felt more comfortable.”

No sense painting this as the start of a turnaround. It’s one start after two months of disappointment, but it was a glimpse of the reason Burnett got that five-year contract in the first place. He can be a good Major League starter, and the Yankees best-case scenario doesn’t involved finally dumping Burnett to the bullpen. It involves getting Burnett pitching well again.

“We need A.J.,” Russell Martin said. “And I think Larry had a big part in it, just simplifying a couple of the things in his mechanics just to get him consistent in his delivery. And then from there it was just him executing pitches, and we were on the same page for the most part of the game. It was good for him to fill that role against a really good lineup.”

Final word from Rothschild: “The one thing that he’s done is competed all along. Even in the toughest games, the toughest circumstances, he’s competing. That’s a pretty good place to start.”

Here’s Burnett.

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• The Major League debut of Jesus Montero was rather forgettable. The Yankees top hitting prospect went 0-for-4 with a hit by pitch. In his first three at-bats, he ended three innings with a total of six runners left stranded. But still, it was a debut, and four at-bats mean nothing in the course of a career.

“It means a lot for me, for my life,” Montero said. “Thank God I’m here for the first time and the first opportunity that I got to play in the big leagues. It was amazing for me today. After the first at-bat I feel more comfortable and I hit more well. I didn’t get the base hit, but I hope soon.”

• The big base hit, instead, came from the current Yankees catcher. Martin’s two-run double in the seventh turned everything around. Up to that moment, the Yankees had stranded 12 runners in the first six innings. “We just couldn’t seem to get the big hit off of Lester,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s a strikeout guy, so he’s going to sometimes have the bases loaded and get out of it. We got him out early, got him out after five and we were able to capitalize on some scoring chances after we got him out.”

• Terrific at-bat by Andruw Jones to start that seventh inning. His walk came after 14 pitches. Everyone in the clubhouse seemed to mention it at least once. Jones tied a career-high with three walks in the game, something he hadn’t done since 2006.

• Also plenty of talk about the Curtis Granderson catch in the sixth. That was a diving play that saved at least one run, maybe two. Might have been the difference in the game. “The Grandy man,” Burnett said. “He can do it all can’t he?”

• Mark Teixeira has a bruised right knee and he’s day-to-day. No x-rays were taken, and no tests are planned, but Girardi said he’s not sure Teixeira will be able to play tomorrow. Teixeira tried to stay in the game, but after playing defense for a half inning, his knee got stiff. “I couldn’t move,” he said.

• Robinson Cano had his team-leading 43rd multi-hit game.

• Derek Jeter played his 2,405th game, passing Mike Schmidt for the 15th-most games played all with same team. He went 2-for-4 tonight and is hitting .347 since coming off the disabled list.

• Boone Logan struck out the only batter he faced for the fifth time this season, the most such appearances in the American League.

• The Yankees lost eight of nine against the Red Sox in the first half, but since the all-star break, these teams are 3-3 against one another. “We didn’t play very well the first nine games against them,” Girardi said. “They beat us up pretty good, but we’ve pitched a lot better against them and our at-bats have been a lot better.”

• Last word on the Red Sox comes from Martin: “It feels good. I’ve been saying the whole time, I don’t think there’s a team better than the other. Every time we play them it’s one of those things where, the team that plays the best that day is going to win. And today we just played a little bit better than them. It’s going to be like that from here on out. If we see them in the playoffs, it’s going to be the same way.”

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107 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Definitely something I can work with””

  1. Chase September 2nd, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Love it.

  2. 4 NYY September 2nd, 2011 at 1:48 am

    As bad as AJ has been and with all of us ragging on him, I have to give him a lot of credit tonight and am totally happy that he could come through as he did. Hope he can continue to pitch close to this the rest of the year.

    Great win and all the Yanks were excited for one another.

  3. m September 2nd, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Good stuff, Chad.

    And AJ pitched well tonight. Big time improvement.

    I missed this play, what is Jeter whooping about and why is Gonzalez eating dirt?

  4. Vineyard Yankee September 2nd, 2011 at 1:56 am

    I believe that it is important for the Yankees to win the AL East and get home field advantage for the playoffs, unlike last year when they seemed content with the WC.

    Hate to say it but The Yankees and The Red Sox are two very evenly matched teams. When playoff time rolls around the WC Team will have an uphill battle. Boston, Texas, Detroit etc. tough opponents, playing at home gives you a leg up .

    It always boils down to The Yankees and The Red Sox come playoff time. I hope Binder Joe & Co. realize the advantage of having home field.

  5. m September 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 am

    Agreed. Sox and Yankees are evenly matched.

    They got some young guys contributing.

    Carl Crawford choking on the contract hanging around his neck.

    Nice to see Gonzalez contained this series, that was key in taking the set.

    The Sox are +7 in the series, but we’re tied in the loss column. Sox are a different team away from the sardine can. Yankees can play anywhere.

  6. m September 2nd, 2011 at 2:01 am

    I’d like to win the division along with HFA through the CS. Let the Sox start on the road each round.

  7. LockDown September 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 am

    A hot a-rod going against the sox could give us an adavantage. ;)

  8. m September 2nd, 2011 at 2:03 am

    They weren’t “content”. imo it was strategy. They didn’t want to go through the Rangers AND the Rays.

    Of course, it didn’t work out. But HFA doesn’t guarantee anything, as we’ve seen too many times in the past.

  9. UnKnown September 2nd, 2011 at 2:04 am

    So MO told Costas in an interview before the game today that he will no doubt know how much longer he is going to play by spring training of 2012. I think he will play probably 2 more years. So one more contract after the one he has already.

  10. Nick in SF September 2nd, 2011 at 2:05 am

    “Sox are a different team away from the sardine can.”

    Historically, maybe, but as of now, the Sox are 41-27 at home and 42-26 on the road this season. Pretty even.

    Hopefully they return to form this month.

  11. m September 2nd, 2011 at 2:09 am

    I wanted to throw something at Schilling last night. “Mo is one of the best all time, but the Sox don’t believe the game is over when he comes in.”

    Nick,

    Good catch. I wonder of Gonzalez hits better away from Fenway?

  12. UnKnown September 2nd, 2011 at 2:10 am

    The look jeter had for Swish after coming to the dugout after he bunted with 1 out was classic…

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan September 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Montero sucks. ;)

  14. LGY September 2nd, 2011 at 2:11 am

    It always boils down to The Yankees and The Red Sox come playoff time.

    ————

    It hasn’t boiled down to the Yankees and Red Sox for the past 6 years.

  15. LGY September 2nd, 2011 at 2:18 am

    I prefer the Rangers to the Tigers in the first round.

    The Rangers have nothing resembling an Ace, the Yankee lineup is scary deep vs LHP especially if Montero gets on a roll, and they owned Ogando even before he has come back down to earth.

    Their lineup is very good but CC can shut down anyone and Garcia can exploit their aggressive nature.

    Plus with Martin instead of Posada behind the dish the Yankees are much better built to shut them down on the bases.

    It’s a good matchup for the Yanks and worth sacrificing HFA for if need be.

  16. m September 2nd, 2011 at 2:28 am

    Nothing is guaranteed for the Tigers or the Rangers. I’d love to see Verlander miss the postseason. I’d love to see the Rangers and their brand-new bullpen miss the postseason.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/huntforoctober

  17. Eric UWS September 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 am

    I haven’t commented in a while but I am up late working and figured I’d check in:

    –The Red Sox have been very very lucky to jump out to the 8-1 start. That probably should have been 6-3 or 5-4– the Yankees lost several games they should have won. There was bound to be a correction, which we have seen a little in the last 6 games. 3-3 is good, and they probably should be 4-2 (barring the Mariano blown save).

    – Once the Yankees get A-Rod back and hitting, and if Texiera remembers how to his vs. the Red Sox it will be a huge lift for the team

    – Mariano needs to rethink his approach to Scutatro. Since he’s joined the Red Sox he is 3 for 5 vs him. Probably going away too much and letting him extend his hands. Next time he faces him, I would not be supervised to see them really bust him in.

    – The Yankees may not have the traditional playoff rotation (ie, power/strikeout guys) but they have effective starting pitching. If the starters can get through the 5th, the pen is capable of pushing them over (assuming Hughes is in the pen during the postseason, he could be that bridge to Soriano, Robertson, Mariano)

  18. pft2 September 2nd, 2011 at 2:54 am

    CJ Wilson says Hi. He is an ace and gives the Red Sox fits. The Rangers have the best chance of beating the Red Sox in a 5 game series, and that should be the main reason the Yankees would want to face off against the Tigers (Red Sox 5-1 against the Tigers this year and 1-1 against Verlander).

    Verlander is good, but he pitches in only 2 of 5 games, and CC can shut down the Tigers offense easier than the Rangers. The Tigers have no starter with an ERA under 4.5 after him, and the only hitter to worry about is Cabrera and he can be pitched around. Tigers would be a 500 team in the AL east and only have a +3 run differential. Their closer walks a ton of batters and is likely to melt down in the playoffs. Also, players going to the playoffs
    for the first time like the Tigers are more likely to choke.

    The Rangers have an explosive offense if Cruz and Beltre are healthy, and can compensate for any shortcomings in their pitching. They also have playoff experience and could be very tough, even without Lee.

    Anyone who wants to face the Rangers over the Tigers is making a mistake.

  19. lounge lizard September 2nd, 2011 at 3:06 am

    I missed this play, what is Jeter whooping about and why is Gonzalez eating dirt?

    ______________________________________________

    That was the almost DP in the eighth inning on which Pedroia grittily beat Jeter’s relay to first. Jeter is “aww-ing” at the safe call. Robertson got out of the inning anyway.

  20. Vineyard Yankee September 2nd, 2011 at 3:17 am

    I really don’t want to go through what happened last year with all the rest and the nonchalant attitude down the stretch towards winning the division.

    Finish strong on a high note riding high on the horse.

  21. stuart a September 2nd, 2011 at 3:18 am

    do not look at regular seasons record to predict playoff results.

    andruw came up huge tonight, long and tough ab’s.

    i say they sign martin to a 2 year deal if the money is reasonable.. montero can ease into things catch 40 + games and DH, the guy is 21….

    aj did show some hope but he is far from fixed. good sign he is making changes and listening to rothschild. obviously what he was doing was not working….

  22. Vineyard Yankee September 2nd, 2011 at 3:21 am

    Verlander can beat anyone at anytime when he is on his game. This year he is one of top three SP in MLB. Going into the 7th and 8th innings the guy still is throwing 97 – 98 most days he pitches.

  23. Mike_Boston September 2nd, 2011 at 4:33 am

    What a great win/series. Yanks showed they will not get pushed around. Now they have a month to move the pieces around to see how they will best fit when it counts.

    Cherry on top was Aceves (he’s no longer Ace in my book) getting the loss. That was 2 Yanks hit last night, did any of the sox get hit?

  24. PacoDooley September 2nd, 2011 at 4:59 am

    Martin’s hit was huge, but the biggest play of that game was Granderson’s catch. I thought there was no way he could get that ball – absolutely amazing. That play made all the difference (and yes, they were still down by 1, but they would have been trailing by 2 if that ball lands and gets past Granderson).

    I am fed up with the UZR baloney with Granderson. If you watch him play you can see he plays a slick and reliable center field.

  25. Mike_Boston September 2nd, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Think about how incredible the EIG’s have been for the Yanks and how vital they were in their playoff stretch runs. 07 Joba had a sub .1 era, Hughes was almost as dominate in 09 starting around June and stabilizing the pen (it was a mess before he got there), his ERA was about 1.5 if I remember. You had Wood 2nd half last year who barely gave up 2 runs while he was here, over the course of 2+ months. Then you have Robertson who’s been so good it’s ridiculous. All 4 of those guys were not in their roles to start the season. I’ll venture to guess no team has had that kind of dominance in the 8th inning over that span (probably not even close), with Mo ready to close it out as always.

    Kudo’s to the front office and Joe for making these moves, really underrated part of their success over the last several years.

  26. m September 2nd, 2011 at 6:12 am

    lounge,

    Thanks for that. I’m going to watch the last part of the game. Yes, the bottom of the 9th, too. :P

  27. m September 2nd, 2011 at 6:22 am

    BBTN.

    Barry Larkin: Generous call there. I think A-gone thought it was generous on the breaking ball to the outside corner.

    Schilling had some pretty good analysis. If he can avoid talking about the Red Sox in every other breath, I think he’ll be good at this job. Anyway, he said we know nothing more than we did last week. We know that these two lineups wear down starting pitching. Starters averaging 19 pitches an inning. We’re talking about who’s the 3rd or 4th starters, but the 1′s and 2′s are having a tough time with the opposing lineups. CC “shut down” the Red Sox through 6. Lester threw what seemed like a 100 pitches in the first inning. etc.

  28. m September 2nd, 2011 at 6:30 am

    Okay, I just saw the highlights of the game. That was a perfect pitch. Went overt he plate and tailed to the outer corner. Gonzalez didn’t protest at the time, so why is he grumbling after the game that he should still be batting? He must not have seen the video of it because the replays (and the brooks graphic) show it over the plate and in the zone.

    He had a bad series, 2-for-12. Helped our cause immensely.

  29. Ken Phelps September 2nd, 2011 at 6:48 am

    4 1/2 hours to play a 9 inning 4-2 game!!! I’m sorry Yankees vs red sox has “jumped the shark”

  30. blake September 2nd, 2011 at 7:05 am

    The pitch to Gonzalez was a strike and pitch fx agrees. Mo pitched gonzalez perfectly…..in, in, in, ,in, then paint away.

    I’ve been tough on AJ and frankly he’s deserved it……but honestly there is nothing Id like more than for him to pitch better……if the adjustments he’s made can make him rotate less and improve his command and bite on the breaking ball then he’s got a chance to do that. He doesn’t have the 96 cruising speed anymore so he HAS to throw more quality strikes to have success…….sounds like maybe he’s finally realizing that…..just one start …we’ll see what happens.

    Another guy I’ve been rough on (Jonesy)…..has been having terrific ABs for awhile now. He’s positioning himself for more PT and against pretty much every Lefty.

    Montero looked like he belonged as others mentioned…..he looked like he was right on the cusp of pounding something all night……his timing was.off a tick but he had some good takes on tough pitches and looked pretty comfortable to me…..didn’t look overwhelmed or anything. ….really hope they keep giving him.consistent ABs.

    Yanks are a Mo blown save away from winning 4 of the last 5 at Fenway.

  31. 108 stitches September 2nd, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Let’s see how much Burnett takes from this game. Count on Larry Rothschild watching his next bullpen session to assure Burnett doesn’t stray back into bad habits.
    Granderson’s catch was crucial as was Martin’s hit.
    Next up – the always troublesome Blue Jays which is important with hopes the Texas Rangers take care of business in Beansville.

  32. m September 2nd, 2011 at 7:11 am

    Been watching Jones vs. Aceves in the 7th. Still going on. :)

  33. blake September 2nd, 2011 at 7:20 am

    Aceves looks good…..Cash had a good offseason but that’s one move he missed fhd boat on big time……his back was an issue but the commitment was so minimal it was a curious decision.

  34. Gary September 2nd, 2011 at 7:20 am

    108 stitches September 2nd, 2011 at 7:08 am
    Let’s see how much Burnett takes from this game. Count on Larry Rothschild watching his next bullpen session to assure Burnett doesn’t stray back into bad habits.
    Granderson’s catch was crucial as was Martin’s hit.
    Next up – the always troublesome Blue Jays which is important with hopes the Texas Rangers take care of business in Beansville.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Great game last night. I’d agree with your analysis, hope he continues to pitch consistently also.

  35. blake September 2nd, 2011 at 7:29 am

    They reduced AJs turn back in the spring to make him less rotational……he gradually went back to his old way. Hopefully he can stick with the change this time.

  36. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Good morning-

    Some more quotes from AJ, Martin, and Swisher on his performance from NY Daily News:

    A.J. Burnett: “This is a good team. Going up against these guys, they make you focus and make you work. I think it was a bigger game for our squad than it was for me; I’ve pitched bigger games than this one before, but I was taking the approach that it was a playoff game. It was going to be big for us to take two out of three.”

    Russell Martin: “Huge game for A.J. He just looked like a different person out there. You have to pitch well to get these guys out. There are no freebies against this lineup.”

    Nick Swisher: “That’s what I’m exicted about. I loved his composure; the way he handled himself on the mound, using his chanegup effectively and establishing his fatsball. He did a great job today. Tha’s the A.J. we all know.”

  37. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Blake-

    It looked like Mo got squeezed when he walked Ellsbury. The game would have been history sooner with a lot less tension.

    Jones ab against a righty was very impressive, especially dealing with the off-speed stuff.

    I believe Cashman didn’t sign Aceves when he heard that he broke his collarbone in a bike accident. That and the previous concerns with his back after getting 3 epidural injections. In the end was Colon signed instead? If so the Yankees made the correct chice.

  38. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 7:43 am

    *choice*

  39. jacksquat September 2nd, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Aceves pitched poorly and got lucky last night so I don’t know what all comments are for. His back was a major issue, the Red Sox have gotten lucky it has lasted this long, complete crap shoot.

  40. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 am

    blake

    From what I’ve seen from Aceves this year and things I’ve heard it seems like he has a attitude problem.

    I’m looking forward to what Montero can bring to this team but I think people need to temper their expectations.

    I would be very surprised if he was the DH during the playoffs.

  41. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Baseball is a funny sport.

    As they say, you can’t predict it.

    Great job AJ. Bravo. Keep it up.

    The Yankees showed the Sux that they’re not invincible.

    Beckett and Lester both sucked.

  42. blake September 2nd, 2011 at 7:59 am

    I disagree on Aceves…his stuff looked really sharp. I would also agree on the back being a reason for not signing him had it been a bigger commitment money was.

    Trader, mo did get squeezed a little but I think the pitch to Ellsbury was a ball……the one to Gonzo was right there thouh.

  43. blake September 2nd, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Maine,

    Yea that may be about the attitude……he does seem to fit the Red Sox

  44. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Some interesting tidbits from the MLB network announcers last night:

    Over the last decade the Red Sox and Yankees have more hit batsmen between them than any other 2 teams.

    If your team has 3 candidates for the MVP[Boston] then there is no MVP.

  45. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:07 am

    MTU

    I expect o see a tribute to Andrew from you very soon. :D

  46. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:08 am

    MTU

    Where were you last night? Lots of “kiddies” went to bed after the Yankees took a 4-2 lead. It was actually pretty civil with some good debate.

  47. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Maine-

    Could happen.

    :)

  48. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:09 am

    blake

    I didn’t read the game threads but am interestd to know if Gardner got skewered for the caught stealing.

  49. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    YT-

    I like mornings better.

    :)

  50. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:11 am

    For sure last night was a good starting place – it was a big performance from AJ in a spot where one was needed given the pitcher he was facing

  51. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Maine-

    Other than the strikeout on Lester’s unhittable pitch, Montero made contact the rest of the night as well as the contact the ball made with his shirt, that turned out as a key at bat.

    Montero will probably get playing time this weekend against both Romero and Cecil. Maybe we’ll see him in all 3 as Tex will probably be day to day and I’m not sure if A-Rod’s thumb injury is fully healed.

    I was really excited to see him play last night.

  52. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    I don’t regret the Aceves move at all – Cash made the decision not to commit based on his physical condition and I have no problem. He’s not a difference maker – we’re already only 1/2 game back. This coming from someone who is no Cashman fan anymore

  53. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Does anyone now think it’s AJ in the rotation and Hughes in the pen ?

  54. 86w183 September 2nd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Betsy —

    Brace yourself. Methinks Phil is headed to the bullpen for the rest of the season/post-season.

  55. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:18 am

    86, why the hell would I need to brace myself. You think that’s news to me? Phil had his chance to cement his spot in the rotation and he failed to do so. He’ll be the long-man or 6th inning guy now and he/AJ will share that spot in the post-season. I don’t think being in the pen is going to necessarily turn him around – it’s not a magic place – but hopefully he’ll pitch well.

  56. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    This series should solidify Grandy’s MVP cause. Can’t complain about his defense last night, it even made espn’s top 10! Meanwhile Yankee pitching has owned A-gon :)

  57. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Your implication with that post is beyond silly

  58. MG September 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    blake September 2nd, 2011 at 7:20 am
    Aceves looks good…..Cash had a good offseason but that’s one move he missed fhd boat on big time……his back was an issue but the commitment was so minimal it was a curious decision.
    —————————————
    blake, does it seem to you like Aceves has lost a ton of weight since last year? I was thinking about that during the game last night and it could have a lot to do with his back issues disappearing.

    I agree, the Yankees should have kept him this year.

  59. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    I like the idea of having AJ and Phil piggyback. Have AJ start and yank him at the first sign of trouble, then have Phil come in. Phil’s stuff is better suited for the pen than AJ’s.
    Just for the rest of this season…I have no doubt Phil will return to the rotation next year.

  60. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    I didn’t read the game threads but am interestd to know if Gardner got skewered for the caught stealing.
    —————————————–
    Maine-
    No. I think he got an “Oh My”

    At that time there was a lot of debate on the phrase “must win” game, and also whether home field advantage makes any differenc, with the 2-3-2 format.

  61. 108 stitches September 2nd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Gonzalez has learned well from Yoookiis, Ortiz, Pedroia et al about being a Sux crybaby with every call they don’t care for.

  62. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Ken Singleton apparently suggested Phil as AJ’s caddy, an idea I absolutely hate.

    Sitting him on the bench for all days except possibly the days AJ pitches does him no good at all. Limiting the innings Hughes would pitch behind AJ had he pitched days before doesn’t make a lot of sense either since the idea behind a caddy is to be able to pitch several innings. I don’t like the idea of a caddy anyway; Phil did that in 2009 behind Wang and it just did not work.

  63. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Blake/MG-

    I’m sure there were serious attitude issues with Aceves or he would have been back.

    It was never a question of talent.

    ;)

  64. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    I don’t get this idea that Phil’s stuff is better suited to the pen – AJ has better stuff. I think he should go to the pen at this point, but people expecting him to be 2009 pre-post-season Phil based on the idea that he’s had a couple of good innings where he’s thrown hard are going to be in for a surprise. I’m not saying he won’t do well, but even in the pen you still have to make your pitches.

  65. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:27 am

    upstate kate-

    Good morning. This quote last night from the MLB network announcers during the game, makes the point about teams with multiple MVP candidates.

    If your team has 3 candidates for the MVP[Boston] then there is no MVP.

  66. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    AJ doesn’t warm up quickly and is erratic. Phil has great velocity early in games that tails off later. Phil has already shown he can be effective out of the pen.

  67. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MG-

    Had the Yankees kept Aceves, would they have looked into signing Colon? Also the bike accident with the broken collarbone was another red flag.

  68. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    YT
    I switched over to the MLB network just for a change of pace, and b/c I like Costas and Kitty, but it must have been blacked out for NY viewers. They were showing a different game.

  69. 86w183 September 2nd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    You are illustrating why I wrote “brace yourself, Betsy”.

    You’ve been borderline apoplectic at the notion of Hughes in the bullpen for weeks.

  70. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:33 am

    MG

    I saw Ace pitch here in Portland when he was rehabing last year and noticed at that time he looked thinner.

    I think he did that to take some strain off his back.

  71. MG September 2nd, 2011 at 8:34 am

    the Yankees are at the point in the season where it no longer matters who is playing where, all that matters is putting the best team on the field in each game, that’s how you win a World Series.

    No Yankee was criticized more on LoHud than Andruw Jones earlier in the season with the usual cries for DFA, calling him smiley, fat, lazy, and many other names.

    Meanwhile, he’s been raking since the ASB and has clearly earned the left field job against left handed pitchers.

    I’m a big Phil Hughes fan but have decided that 2011 is not his year to contribute in the rotation, hopefully he helps out of the ‘pen and comes back next year to reclaim a regular spot in the rotation-it won’t be the first time a young starter bounces back from a bad year-the names Justin Verlander and Cole Hamels are just two of them. There is no point in continuing the microanalysis of his strengths and weaknesses either, he will just be one more guy in the ‘pen and hopefully pitches well and helps the Yankees win another WS by doing so.

  72. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Um, no I haven’t…………and other people have felt the same way in any case, so don’t take your crap out on me. I changed my mind – got a problem with that? Phil wasn’t getting any better and in the end, yeah, I felt that it doesn’t matter who goes to the pen because neither one is starting in the post-season.

  73. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Aceves is the enemy now.

    The worst kind.

    A spiteful traitor.

    No longer wishing him well.

    Fortunately, backs don’t just heal themselves longterm.

  74. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    MG, precisely. I’m done arguing with 86 about this – whatever puts the team in the best position to win is fine with me.

  75. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    kate

    Every time the Yankees play the RS I’m stuck with the RS feed.

    Usually Remy is unbiased enough to be bearable.

    This series was totally different.

    It was way one sided and almost unbearable.

    How I wished for Yes or MLB network.

  76. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    MG-

    I 3rd what you said.

    ;)

  77. MG September 2nd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    MTU, I don’t share those feeling about Aceves but I also don’t hate the Sox, they are just another team to me.

    YT, I don’t know if they would have signed Colon or not-I don’t think they considered Aceves a starter but who knows what would have happened. I like the way Aceves pitches so wanted him as a Yankee but at the end of the day they have adequately replaced him with Wade and, to a lesser extent, Ayala, so it doesn’t make much difference.

  78. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    It’s not necessarily Phil’s “stuff” that is better suited to the pen; it is more that he has done it before, he can warm up more quickly than AJ and it wouldn’t be a total shock to his system, since he’s done it before.

    I don’t think they’re sending Phil to the pen to “fix” him; nor do I think they’re sending him there to “punish” him – if in fact they do send him to the pen. They want to be able to utilize his talent in some way, they have one too many pitchers in this rotation and Hughes did not have the sort of year that made him the obvious choice over AJ to stay in the rotation.

    You have to take all the factors into consideration. And take the spite out of it. This is not really about AJ and Phil; it is about what is best for the Yankees. Take the names off the players and choose.

    As for piggybacking the two, it is a very interesting idea. Might work, might not. I don’t know if the Yankees will consider it. I think it only works if you say AJ is going to pitch a maximum number of innings (say 4) and then Hughes comes in, regardless of the game situation. Of course, if AJ is pitching poorly earlier, Hughes comes in earlier. But you can’t have a guy ready to pitch and then the starter is doing so well, that guy never gets to pitch in the game. That’s the real issue with the piggyback system. It has to be a true piggyback and not a contingency plan.

  79. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    If Hughes can get his velocity up to 95 and bring the high heat for swinging strikes, like in 2009, he would be very useful down the stretch in the bullpen.

    If you look at Ayala’s ERA of 1.97 only, you’d think he’s terrific.
    The last 7 days have been very bad and the entire month of August in 9 appearances he’s had only one appearance where he had no hits or walks against him.

    Look at these stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/5389/luis-ayala

    The point is that Ayala’s place might be taken by Hughes.

  80. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Maine
    how did they spin Lester’s loooong 1st inning?

  81. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    And next season is next season. Both AJ and Hughes have work to do to improve upon their seasons. I expect both of them to be around in the spring. This season is the one they have to be concerned with right now.

  82. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MG-

    I don’t agree. The Sux are not just another team to me.

    They are our arch rivals. I always hope to see them crushed.

  83. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    MG

    Another pitcher that struggled early was Lester.

    So much so the RS considered trading him.

    Early on he was pretty much a 5 inning pitcher.

  84. Betsy September 2nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Villa, I agree with all you said – I don’t see the Yankees piggybacking Phil with AJ; he sat around on his hands when Wang was here. His role should be that of long-man – which would help with his innings. If they want to keep Colon/Garcia fresh, it could work.

  85. 86w183 September 2nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I think Singleton’s “piggy back” idea is nuts. You don’t want Hughes sitting around for five days in case he’s needed early in AJ’s next start.

    Besides Noesi can be activated on Sept 6 I believe which would be AJ’s next start.

  86. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Yankee Trader-

    I agree that Ayala is probably the weakest link in the bullpen. And Hughes has shown that he has good velocity in his first couple of innings. He could let it rip (so to speak) for an inning (maybe 2). He would likely be an improvement over Ayala.

  87. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    VN-

    I still would like to see AJ traded in the OS.

  88. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:44 am

    kate

    Lester was getting squeezed by the ump.

  89. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Maine-

    Maybe so but that was one of the worst 1st innings I’ve seen in a long time.

    ;)

  90. MG September 2nd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:41 am
    MG-

    I don’t agree. The Sux are not just another team to me.

    They are our arch rivals. I always hope to see them crushed.
    ———————
    MTU, I understand, it’s a generational difference in perspective-when I was growing up the Sox were irrelevant and the Yankees won the pennant each year so it was more a matter of which team (O’s, Tigers, White Sox, etc) were in 2nd place as opposed to a rivalry.

    Besides, the Giants and Dodgers were still in NY until I was 10, that alone was enough for a season’s worth of arguing :)

  91. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    kate

    Also according to their pitch zone the pitches were out of the zone but they still thought he should have gotten the calls. :lol:

  92. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    MG-

    I’m probably near your age but I still intensely dislike the Sux.

    Remember I’m the guy who used to catch baseballs outside of Ebbets field as a kid.

    ;)

  93. Villa Nova-Ya September 2nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Lester throws a lot of pitches, and it’s not just against the Yankees. I would say, however, that he eventually gets his strikeout most of the time.

    I don’t see Hughes as a long man. Because that’s almost as futile a way to use him as piggybacking him (unless the piggyback scenario is how I outlined it). I see him as a “6th-inning guy,” or an alternate in the back end of the bullpen. Though, the way the playoffs are set up, do they ever play three games in a row without a break?

    Either way, if they do send Hughes to the pen, they are going to have to work at getting him work.

    Girardi’s best work is with his bullpen, so I have faith he’ll have a plan. We may or may not like the plan, but he will have one.

  94. upstate kate September 2nd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    ok ok I withdraw the piggy back comment :)

  95. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    MG

    If you lived here you would look at the RS differently.

  96. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:51 am

    I hope if Hughes goes to the pen he can be a difference maker.

    I think he can be.

    :)

  97. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:53 am

    The Sux are a very talented baseball team but when it comes to class they come up way short.

    ;)

  98. Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    MTU-

    Looking at AJ’s quote you wonder why it took him so long, over a year now, to realize that he needs to focus more and pitch like it’s a playoff game. Screw on a new head, and there would be hope yet!

    A.J. Burnett: “This is a good team. Going up against these guys, they make you focus and make you work. I think it was a bigger game for our squad than it was for me; I’ve pitched bigger games than this one before, but I was taking the approach that it was a playoff game. It was going to be big for us to take two out of three.”

    Since AJ lives 30 miles north from Camden Yards, and his wife doesn’t fly, plus he can dictate 10 teams he will not approve a trade to, that leaves few options in the OS, not to mention the remaining 33M. When AJ was signed by Toronto the Jays had to include 10[I believe] round trip limo rides for his wife to Toronto.

    Would the Nats or Phillies be interested? Would the Yankees deal him to the Orioles?

  99. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    I have to admit I do like Francona.

    He has class.

  100. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    YT-

    I really don’t care where.

    ;)

  101. MTU September 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    New thread ==>

  102. pat September 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Buck Showalter and AJ. That would seem to be a match to gasoline.

  103. MaineYankee September 2nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    The local sports radio was talking about Lester and his whining about the strike calls.

    They said he needed to shut up and just pitch.

    I was surprised to hear them be that sane about it.

    They also said he had pitched ok this season but not great.

    These guys usually aren’t that opened minded.

    It does make a difference if the RS lose to the Yankees.

    They aren’t quite so brash then.

  104. justsaying September 2nd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    MG September 1st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
    devcon13 September 1st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    A lot of Red Sox fans lost a lot of $$$$ tonight….HA!!!!!!!
    ——————–
    not to mention that famous blogger, Vineyard Yankee Hater, who finds the need to post over and over how much money he (allegedly) makes by betting the over every time Burnett pitched. I’m sure his absence tonight is directly related to Burnett pitching pretty well.

    MG, hadn’t you noticed? WCSF wasn’t here last night either! They,re good “buddies,” you know. They came on late – at about the same time – after they got back from the “concert.” No doubt VY needed the ride home, in WCYF’s pocket, of course, after losing his shirt, his car and who knows what else – oh, yeah, the house he bet on AJ losing to the Sucks.

  105. vchem9 September 2nd, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I know we won the game and all…but why isnt anyone discussing (including the post game notes) the completely unacceptable, almost lost us the game, foolish bunt attempt by swisher?!?!?!?>!

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan September 2nd, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Some people have to pass an idiot test to post here obviously. I’m just sayin’.

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan September 2nd, 2011 at 10:12 am

    86w183 says:
    September 2, 2011 at 8:31 am
    You are illustrating why I wrote “brace yourself, Betsy”.

    You’ve been borderline apoplectic at the notion of Hughes in the bullpen for weeks.

    *************

    Is that ever true. I have never seen a supposed Yankee fan more obsessed with wanting one of our players to fail. Nothing is more obvious.


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