Postgame notes: “I’m allowed to change my mind”
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Well, that was much ado about nothing. After telling the media at his pregame press conference that he would have an announcement regarding the Yankees rotation after today’s game against the Toronto Blue Jays, manager Joe Girardi dropped the bombshell.
He’s staying with a six-man rotation.
“We’re going to go another time through,” Girardi said. “I’m allowed to change my mind; that’s why I don’t make instant decisions… We want to see it again. We liked what we saw from our guys.”
Girardi is referring to the starts from Phil Hughes and A.J. Burnett this past week in Boston. Neither was overly impressive — Hughes allowed six earned runs, while Burnett couldn’t even make it out of the sixth inning — but he felt that they showed enough to warrant at least one more go-around.
“We thought some guys made some progress when we went to Boston,” Girardi said. “We just figured that there’s no rush to make that decision… In talking about it with our coaches and Cash, we just said, ‘Let’s go through it again and see what happens.’ ”
I’m sure many of you are getting tired of the same old debate, which keeps leading to the same old solution. But I wouldn’t be surprised if a decision never gets made. With only 24 games remaining, Girardi was asked if the rotation could possibly remain six deep until the end of the season.
“I’m not going to say no,” he replied.
He seemed to be very encouraged by Burnett’s most recent start. Despite having only one win since June 29, Girardi thinks he’s getting back on track.
“I loved what I saw from AJ in Boston,” he said. “What makes it even more incredible to me is, here’s a guy who’s fighting for a spot. There’s been discussions that he might come out of the rotation, he had a tough August, and he said, ‘You know what? I’m going to try new mechanics for the first time against the Boston Red Sox.’ That takes a lot of guts. He went out and did it, and threw a really good game for us, which makes me really curious. If you give him another few times with it, does it get even better?”
Whether it gets better remains to be seen. But this much is certain: After Freddy Garcia’s start against Baltimore tomorrow, Hughes will start on Tuesday, followed by Burnett on Wednesday.
We know they’re safe for at least one more episode of, “As the Rotation Turns.”
Here’s some more notes from the Yankees 9-3 win over the Blue Jays:
• For those who are concerned with CC Sabathia’s workload, it’s worth noting that he got stronger as the game went on. He put some runners on early, but didn’t allow it to get out of hand. By the end of the fourth inning, he began to cruise. He retired 10 straight batters, picking up his 19th win while striking out 10. He now sits just two strikeouts away from 2,000 for his career. “I feel strong; I feel good,” Sabathia said. “The ball is coming out of my hand good, and my arm feels good… I felt I had good command. I threw the ball where I wanted to.”
• I have to admit, I made a rookie mistake. I recorded the entire interview with Derek Jeter, who tied a career-high with five RBI, but I accidentally deleted it while trying to record A-Rod. An amateur move, but you live and you learn. I do remember Jeter stating that the fact that he pulled his third-inning home run off of Brett Cecil meant nothing. He simply feels good, and has been staying back on the ball since his return from the DL. One reporter pointed out that he has a .371 batting average this season after a day off, and he seemed to take exception to that. Then, when asked what’s been the biggest key to his recent success, he remarked (with a smile), “Day’s off.”
• Alex Rodriguez and Nick Swisher also homered for the Yanks. It was clear when A-Rod hit his that he wasn’t happy, but the ball still got out over the right field wall. “It was a fly ball to right,” Rodriguez said. “I got very lucky that ball sailed over the fence. I couldn’t believe that.”
• Rookie Jesus Montero picked up his first career multi-hit game, just one day after notching his first career hit. Both hits were singles through the left side, but his second was a hard hit liner. “The first base hit for every hitter in the big leagues is always a little tough,” Montero said. “You have it on your mind. After that, I was like, ‘Okay, finally.’ Today I felt more comfortable at the plate.”
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I was surprised to see CC come out for the eighth inning after her had reached 107 pitches in the seventh. He threw 128 in his last start, and Girardi said that if not for that, he would have let him go even further. “That was the reason that I didn’t let him continue,” Girardi said. “I probably would have let him throw to a couple more hitters.”
• Interesting stat here: Jose Bautista, a leading MVP candidate in the AL, is 0-for-18 in his career against Sabathia. “Somebody tell me how to get (Marco) Scutaro out, and I’ll tell you why he’s 0-for-18. It’s just one of those things.”
• With as well as the Yankees have been playing, Girardi says he plays to rest at least one regular everyday moving forward. Today, it was Curtis Granderson.
• With the Red Sox’ 11-4 loss to Texas, the Yankees are now 1 1/2 games ahead in the AL East. They’ve won four straight, and seven of eight. They are a season-high 32 games over .500.
It was a fun first day! Thanks for all of the support, and to all of my new Twitter followers! I’ll be back tomorrow…
AJ got a win in the decision against Kansas City on 8/15.
“I’m allowed to change my mind”.
Translation: Cashman told me that’s what he wanted to do.
Go Yanks! Need to go 15-8 the rest of the way for 100 wins…..its doable.
It’s the right move for right now. It gives CC and he veteran starters a little more rest, and it gives AJ and Hughes another chance to prove themselves.
We missed the obvious, stick w the 6 man if you can. Someone will get hurt, or shine etc… Works for me…
Skip AJ or Hughes if someone has to be on 5 day .
Arod’s homer today was his first one since June 11–nearly 3 months. It’s nice to see him get off the schneid….
I think Joe and Cash collaborated on this decision and made the fair and right one for now.
After all, what is the hurry?
Let them all pitch lights out the rest of the way then decide according to matchups when they know who they are playing in the ALDS.
Alex had a homer last week im pretty sure….
it’s amazing that there’s someone else just as crappy as burnett this year and his name is john lackey. boston’s got 3 more years of that crap coming to them. just awesome
Someone said they have a makeup left with the Reds which I just checked and found to untrue.
It was already made up the next day.
What this says in a nutshell…….is that their opinion of Phil Hughes is that of a 6th starter not a major league starter for the NY Yankees. If you can’t beat out an AJ. Burnett right now – you’re really bad.
IT could also be looked upon as the flip of the coin between two head cases. Neither one can be trusted and frankly neither one should be starting in the playoffs. I would take Sweaty Freddie over either one of these guys.
Yes, Hughes had a good season last year and faltered in the 2nd half. Perhaps due to fatigue and innings. But really the guy couldn’t hold a lead after a 2nd chance against the Red Sox – He puked that baby up hard.
I actually think Hughes can be a good pitcher a number 2 or 3 – BUT NOT IN NY. I just don’t think he has the makeup…..
They should look to get him healthy next year – after 4 good starts – trade him. Bring up the younger B’s and take it from there…. this experiment is getting as old as Hughes gets hurt.
HC
Having such a huge lead for a post-season spot, affords them the luxury of taking their time for important decisions.
blake September 4th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Alex had a homer last week im pretty sure….
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You’re right–I stand corrected. baseballreference.com didn’t update their numbers to reflect today’s game. Thanks.
{Phil’s last two starts were pretty awful, and AJ’s last start was pretty good. It’s only natural that Girardi would want more information before committing himself. It’s not as if either guy is seizing the spot like Nova did.
Yes, Hughes had a good season last year and faltered in the 2nd half. Perhaps due to fatigue and innings. But really the guy couldn’t hold a lead after a 2nd chance against the Red Sox – He puked that baby up hard.
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Kinda harsh. His velocity dropped against the sox. He’s coming off the DL. He’s not 100%. But he showed promise early in the game. For him the key is sustaining the velocity, it just didn’t happen in this case & the sox are great hitters.
It’s not like all our pitchers managed to even get into the 6th (let alone out of) during these sox games this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Girardi says tomorrow that they are skipping Colon’s next start. You would think they will have to do that eventually so if they do everyone would still be on regular rest.
Blake-
Girardi must have liked your reasoning for keeping the 6 man rotation! Now he gets to pitch the day game in Baltimore, and will likely be sent there a few days early to work out in his barn!!
There really is no need to skip anyone’s start from here on out.
If it’s an urgency to give CC 4 days rest only, than the others get the extra day.
Absent an epci charge down the strech, ARod ios going to finish under 30 homers this year for the first time since 1997. This would be only the fourth time in his career that he hasn’t cleared 30 homers. He also is on track for his lowest RBI total since ’97, and falling below 100 RBIs for the season for the first time since then.
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Ghostwriter September 4th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Absent an epic charge down the stretch, ARod is going to finish under 30 homers this year for the first time since 1997. This would be only the fourth time in his career that he hasn’t cleared 30 homers. He also is on track for his lowest RBI total since ’97, and falling below 100 RBIs for the season for the first time since then.
AJ is pitching this Tues at home.
Nova will go on 5 days rest in Balt.
What’s surprising is it was Phil’s turn on Tues.
Now he goes on 6 days rest on Wed.
My bad Burnett in the above post is listed for Wednesday at home not Thursday in Baltimore, his real home!!
“The Yankees did get to Verlander in 2 starts for 6 runs in 12 innings for a 4.50 ERA. The only worse ERA was in 2 starts against the Rays for an ERA of 4.80″
AHA! That helps to make my point! That’s the kind of thing I was pointing out.
Verlander is a fantastic pitcher no doubt. However, he does pitch in an easier division.
at this point does it really matter if its Hughes or Burnett?
I would care about ARod not meeting those numbers if he had played every game. Missing 2 months of the baseball season kind of makes it tough to get 30/100.
I’ve got a feeling that the love-hate thing with AJ and the fans is coming to a head if he struggles again. In what inning will the fans at YS start booing if AJ struggles? And Will AJ flip the fans a bird if he gets serenaded with boos after an early hook? I remain cautiously optimistic that AJ will come through again, surprising everybody with a great start. But either way, AJ’s next start is must-see TV.
Colon’s turn was Thurs. in Balt., a day game where he excels.
The question is whether he goes this Fri. in LA or on 6 days rest on Sat.
Or gets skipped for Freddy.
Verlander is a fantastic pitcher no doubt. However, he does pitch in an easier division.
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As did King Felix last year and he won the Cy with 12 wins.
waka flocka September 4th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
at this point does it really matter if its Hughes or Burnett?
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I think that fourth spot in the postseason rotation is still up for grabs. I think that CC and Nova are in the rotation for sure. I strongly suspect that Garcia and Colon will get the other two spots. However, I don’t think that anything is etched in stone.
make that 13-12 for the King.
“After Freddy Garcia’s start against Baltimore tomorrow, Hughes will start on Tuesday, followed by Burnett on Wednesday.”
So does this mean:
Thursday-Nova in Baltimore
Friday in LA-Colon
Saturday-CC
Sunday-Garcia
Lockdown
“Kinda harsh. His velocity dropped against the sox. He’s coming off the DL. He’s not 100%. But he showed promise early in the game. For him the key is sustaining the velocity, it just didn’t happen in this case & the sox are great hitters. ”
IF his velocity is not there after how many starts? then his arm is not suited to be a starting pitcher in MLB. Enough of the excuses for the guy – he’s either not a starter or a bad starter either way – I dont want him on the playoff roster….
His confidence is shot….. I dont hate the guy – but enough already – we’ve made enough excuses for the guy since he has come up.
RE: the Red Sox – Opposing Playoff teams are not going to be easy – they’re the White Sox – he is not capable of pitching 7 solid innings the rest of this year…….
Whether it is his arm (as you say) or his confidence – he’s done for 2011.
HC
Joe wants the decision to make itself.
It started out as an audition and in fairness he wants it to end that way.
“They’ve got a good lineup, man, they’re tough,” Lackey said. “They definitely worked me, got my pitch count up quite a bit there in the sixth inning. They got enough of hits to get me out of there, and it just didn’t go real good after that.”
Ok I know I am biased, but is that last sentence directed at his bull pen? How about you sucked and got rocked again!
“They got enough to get me out of there and it didn’t go real good after that”! I understand about inherited runners , but John it didn’t go real good before you left either did it.
Pitching wise they they may be equally as bad this year, but I would take AJ over that loser lackey every time!
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=310904102
correction: they’re not the White Sox.
The NYY faced Verlander in late March and on May 2nd, before he went on an absolute roll. It doesn’t matter what division he pitches in he is an ACE just like CC is.
Hands down right now he is the most dominate pitcher in MLB, and the front runner for the Cy Young. Not a guy you want to face 2 or 3 times in a playoff series.
So does this mean:
Thursday-Nova in Baltimore
Friday in LA-Colon
Saturday-CC
Sunday-Garcia
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CC and Colon could flip flop as it’s Colon’s turn.
Verlander has beat Boston and Tampa (2x), shut out Toronto, also had a ND against Boston where he went 8 innings.
He lost to Texas, 2-0, but went 9 innings in that game. He is 4-1 against the White Sox, his division rivals.
Not for nothing, adn I love CC, but this year CC has lost most of his losses against the Yankees’ division rivals, the Red Sox.
I don’t see boston catching us as we have 6 starters and they have 2.
as a matter of fact, using that theory i see a texas-ny alcs.
and they better hope cruz is back.
Villa Nova-Ya September 4th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Verlander has beat Boston and Tampa (2x), shut out Toronto, also had a ND against Boston where he went 8 innings.
He lost to Texas, 2-0, but went 9 innings in that game. He is 4-1 against the White Sox, his division rivals.
Not for nothing, adn I love CC, but this year CC has lost most of his losses against the Yankees’ division rivals, the Red Sox.
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Good point.
Tar September 4th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
“They’ve got a good lineup, man, they’re tough,” Lackey said. “They definitely worked me, got my pitch count up quite a bit there in the sixth inning. They got enough of hits to get me out of there, and it just didn’t go real good after that.”
Ok I know I am biased, but is that last sentence directed at his bull pen?
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It’s borderline. Screw it–let’s just hate him anyway
LockDown September 4th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Yes, Hughes had a good season last year and faltered in the 2nd half. Perhaps due to fatigue and innings. But really the guy couldn’t hold a lead after a 2nd chance against the Red Sox – He puked that baby up hard.
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Kinda harsh. His velocity dropped against the sox. He’s coming off the DL. He’s not 100%. But he showed promise early in the game. For him the key is sustaining the velocity, it just didn’t happen in this case & the sox are great hitters.
It’s not like all our pitchers managed to even get into the 6th (let alone out of) during these sox games this year.
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What do you expect from somebody that named himself after the only person in the world that knew less about sports than him and WCDB?
Trisha-
Verlander’s split stats:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-verlander
Tough on the Red Sox and Blue Jays in the AL East. He can be beat.
“It didn’t go real good after that ” is ignoring the 8hits, 3BB and a hit batter in 5 innings.
But you’re right it doesn’t matter. I am so glad he’s on the Sox.
Tar, I got your point. I was trying to be funny…
JOHN LACKEY:
2010 31 Boston Red Sox $18,700,000
2011 32 Boston Red Sox $15,250,000
2012 33 Boston Red Sox $15,250,000
2013 34 Boston Red Sox $15,250,000
2014 35 Boston Red Sox $15,250,000
Now that is funny!
Among the players I’m glad we missed on, Lackey and, who’s that left fielder?
Also, CC has 7 losses.
4 to the Red Sox
2 to TB
1 to Detroit
He also has two NDs that the Yankees ended up losing,
1 to Minnesota
1 to Oakland
Teams with money make bigger mistakes than those without…
Ghost I got ya.
I am just incredulous that he wouldn’t take responsibility for a crappy outing.
“Good line-up, they are tough, they work you, it didn’t go good after I left”
Is not what I would want to hear ( if I was Sox fan ) from a pitcher with his numbers.
Verlander:
4 Complete Games – 1 No Hitter and 2 near misses.
9 Times has completed 8 innings or more
14 Times when pitching 7 innings or more he has allowed 5 hits or less. In all 14 of those starts he earned a W.
An absolute horse.
“An absolute horse”
That poor horse has been beaten to death already.
I’d like to say that Lackey’s pitching woes can be contributed to his wife’s poor health, but I believe he’s been stinking up the joint before she took ill. Still, it must be hard to do your job when your significant other is battling a fatal disease.
Go 6 man until the 20th or so and then make a decision…..they have a huge lead on a playoff spot and it wont hurt anything to give Colon, Garcia, and even Sabathia extra rest this month. They have a ton of September games to play……
blake…the fact that we have 6 starters should make us run away with this division…we are dealing from a strength with 5 pitchers vying for 3 playoff spots…an enviable position to be in.
Betances continues to cost himself innings and wins. Not so much with walks as with hitting batters and wild pitches. 5 innings, 5 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts, 2 wild pitches, 1 hit batter. The walks didn’t have anything to do with the runs, the hit batter and two wild pitches cost him 3 runs. One hit was a broken bat bloop double that Vazquez couldn’t catch and a soft single up the middle hurt him, too.
On the positive side, 2 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 walks for Brackman. 33 pitches, 23 strikes,
Laura – I Bleed Blue September 4th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
I’d like to say that Lackey’s pitching woes can be contributed to his wife’s poor health, but I believe he’s been stinking up the joint before she took ill. Still, it must be hard to do your job when your significant other is battling a fatal disease.
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I keep forgetting about his wife. It’s good to keep that in mind to keep from being overly harsh. Still, as Tar pointed out, his remarks after the game today were pretty ungracious towards his teammates. He left a mess, and they did the best that they could clean it up. Lackey’s remarks suggest that he seems to think that those runs scoring are their fault and not his.
Mick,
I agree.
GB,
Perhaps Banuelos and Betances are having a little late season concentration lapse…..or maybe they are just gassed.
Thru the 21st of August Verlander was getting 4.26 of run support and averaging 116.4 pitches/game while CC averaged 5.85 of run support and averaged 107.4 pitches/game.
While I think Sabathia is certainly deserving, it’s not that bad finishing 2nd to the best pitcher this year in all of baseball.
CC can show the writers they made a mistake by outdueling Verlander in the playoffs, if they happen to meet!!
Laura – I Bleed Blue September 4th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
I’d like to say that Lackey’s pitching woes can be contributed to his wife’s poor health, but I believe he’s been stinking up the joint before she took ill. Still, it must be hard to do your job when your significant other is battling a fatal disease.
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True. So his performance being lack luster is understandable. If he can straighten himself enough out for the remainder of the year to pitcher better next year & beyond, then that will help the sox.
The issue I have with him is when he gets angry at his team mates for making errors & shows them up. So it doesn’t surprise me that he implied that the bp failed.
Honestly I forgot about his wife too.
But, I’m not sure it changes my thoughts.
Anything I said is pertaining to him being a ball player. I wish nothing but the best for him and his wife personally.
Nice series sweep. I’m sure Rothschild and Girardi are planning accordingly for the postseason. They’re gonna do the right things as they fine-tune for the playoffs.
I completely agree with Teixeira. It’s as if Georgia went through a catalog of bad Arena Football uni’s and said, ‘Hey let’s pick this one. That’s looks the worst!’
Blake,
Betances has always had that issue. Like Sabathia, he’s a tall wide-bodied pitcher. He’s got to figure out how to deal with that. ST next year, Sabathia could really help him figure out how to control his motion.
So I guess Verlander wins the Cy as per the vote here…
Absolutely Joe is allowed to change his mind………..I don’t get the innings thing with Hughes, though. No matter what, he’s going to have issues next year – and he’s still got a major stamina issue. I don’t know what that means about his workout program, but maybe it has to be adjusted.
It’s not really a big deal, though I would like CC on 4 days rest. Maybe skip him a start – skip Colon for sure. I don’t want AJ or Phil starting in the post-season so this is now about getting Colon as right as he can be.
Nope – just saying that dismissing his season because he pitches in an “easier” division is questionable.
When did Joe ever make up his mind , to change it means he came to a decision. And by he, I mean he and Cash.
I think at this point Boston fans would take the Yankees six starting pitchers over theirs. They would love to have our worries…
It’s forHard Me as a Yankee fan to make fun of a bad contract like lackey when the Yankees gave aj Burnett an 80 million dollar contract
“I remain cautiously optimistic that AJ will come through again, surprising everybody with a great start. But either way, AJ’s next start is must-see TV.”
Ditto.
What I find so really cool about AJ is the way he has handled this whole thing. You notice in his postgame interviews that he never got terribly down on himself, and if he had a really good outing, he never got too high on himself. The outing before the last one, where he really had a hard time, he said that he had the support of his manager, his coaches, his teammates, and his family. It is so good that fan lack of support doesn’t infiltrate players’ psyches in a big way. We are pretty meaningless in the whole thing.
As it should be.
The decision was a No Decision.
CC pitches better when he normally goes on 4 days rest with an occasional start on 5 due to an off day.
You could just see him get better and better today as the game went on, I have to think it’s because the consecutive starts on 5 days rest (it was the whole month of August) had its toll on his command.
It’s nothing that Girardi and Rothschild don’t know and it might be part of a plan to have him at his best at the end of the season-he got lots of extra rest in August when the weather is at its worst so he has to be feeling pretty good right about now.
So the 6 man marches on…
Ghostwriter September 4th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
You’re right–I stand corrected. baseballreference.com didn’t update their numbers to reflect today’s game. Thanks.
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baseballreference.com? Sad. I have every single Yankee stats memorized.
What boston would give for colon or freddy about now…
mick September 4th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
So the 6 man marches on…
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A six man march? Not much gravitas.
It must be quite a feeling and quite a heavy load on you to be the only person in the world that knows that Hughes will continue to have trouble next year along with not having stamina. You need to fire off a wire to Cashman and let him know this secret.
have a feeling wake will be seen in the playoffs
the loss of dice-K hurt.
miller and bedard are not filling the bill.
Blame Boston for letting Colon go 2 years ago. Thank Tony Pena for convincing Cashman he was worth a spring training look after seeing him pitch in the Dominican League last winter and liking what he saw.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm
It’s interesting that AJ is going on 4 days and Phil on 6.
If they flipped them theyd both be on 5.
Advantage AJ?
2 games up in the lost column with 10 of next 13 against the likes of Balt. Sea and Tor.
7 of bostons next 13 are against 13.
Now is the time to make that final weekend series meaningless.
7 of bostons next 13 are against 13.
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7 of bostons next 13 are against TB
Regardless of what the rest of this season is like for Phil Hughes, he’ll go to the Athletes Performance Institute in Phoenix like he did 2 years ago.
He’ll also be one of the earliest arrivals in Tampa in January and gradually build up his arm strength to prepare for 2012.
mick: I believe the order is Garcia, Hughes, AJ
If anything AJ could use an extra day (not less) to get used to his new arm slot. He doesn’t have the muscle memory yet.
LD
No. Joe said Aj then Hughes.
AJ could use an extra day (not less) to get used to his new arm slot. He doesn’t have the muscle memory yet.
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maybe with the extra 2 days he will forget
Lockdown, you are correct……….
I know Joe had it aj , hughes but maybe he made a mistake…
i hear ET music in the other room….ET and LD in the same night could AJ be far behind?
Thinking that CC needed a rest made me wish that they would skip him his next turn through the rotation, so maybe it was a good idea to keep a 6th starter around.
Maybe Colon could use a break, too.
And playing every day in September doesn’t help matters either.
Anyway, they’re not taking out AJ. They just gave Phil another turn, for whatever reason.
Hughes has made 9 strarts since coming off of the DL. 3 have been bad. 6 have been good to very good. Of his 3 losses in that time, 1 loss was 2 runs in 5 innings and another was 2 runs in 6 innings. Not sure what peoples standards for progress and acceptable is, but I can deal with a .667 pecentage of good/very good starts any time. In those 50 total innings, 16 walks, 34 strikeouts and only 4 homers allowed.
mick September 4th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
I know Joe had it aj , hughes but maybe he made a mistake…
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Not according to Marc Carig’s twitter
Ledger_Yankees Marc Carig
Hughes, AJ pitching Tuesday and Wednesday. Yes, more six-man rotation. #nyy
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greenberet 7 dude. the hughes kid id going to be real good he’s just not going to be real good here on this blog. betsy chic has run a very strong platform against the dude and the silent moron majority are buying her crap.
It’s Hughes going Tuesday followed by AJ according to MLB.com
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
4 train: right on!
4 train September 4th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
greenberet 7 dude. the hughes kid id going to be real good he’s just not going to be real good here on this blog. betsy chic has run a very strong platform against the dude and the silent moron majority are buying her crap.
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Great post.
# 4 train September 4th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
greenberet 7 dude. the hughes kid id going to be real good he’s just not going to be real good here on this blog. betsy chic has run a very strong platform against the dude and the silent moron majority are buying her crap.
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That’s not the case at all.
4 train September 4th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Ditto, you got that right. Just don’t expect a response from Duane. LOL !
mick WCYF thinks your post was great!
Oh wait, I mean 4 (cough cough) train.
How convenient, VY says ditto. Your crew is all here.
Vineyard can you help with me with something. What does Tar spell backwards?
who listens to that crackpot anyway. the funny thing is, this board used to be huge for phil (including betsy) most strongly during and after the santana trade talks. the thing is, most of those people are long gone.
What’s the matter WCYF did I touch a nerve? I was just telling dude how much you enjoy his post. I mean I know how much micky 4 train and you have in common. No harm in that right.
Smile. Rat if you knew how I laugh at you. How’s that campaign of yours coming by the way?
WC:
I like my ‘tire’ reference better. ‘RAT’ is pretty funny though, Do rats eat through those Zatarains boxes of crap ? ?
http://www.zatarains.com/Recipes/Gumbo.aspx
anybody wanna watch the Pearl Jam concert from someone’s phone streaming now
http://www.abrahamesparza.com/.....cd402.html
Just a hotbed of intelligent discourse from the blogkilling jerkoff gang.
Where do we go now?
I suspect Cashman, Girardi and Rothschild see something in Colon they don’t like. He’s the guy pitching in uncharted terrority having such a long layoff from baseball and being the guinea pig for an untested medical procedure just this past off season. I think there are a host of factors that make Colon the most likely candidate to be skipped, hence the 6 man rotation. I also believe Colon is most prone to tanking at the end here due to his rust and significant jump in innings pitched. If he does tank, it’s better to have a choice between both AJ and Hughes instead of just one or the other. If the Yankees pull ahead, CC will get skipped. Otherwise, skipping Colon first keeps CC on regular rest.
The only spots nailed down are CC, Nova and Garcia IMHO. Colon is the 4th game starter as of now but he might tank and AJ/Hughes might excel or some combination of both outcomes. Maybe AJ’s new mechanics are sustainable and he will pitch to his salary. Perhaps Hughes can pitch deeper into his starts with more of that velocity he showed early in Boston.
“Just a hotbed of intelligent discourse from the blogkilling jerkoff gang.
Where do we go now?”
I’d say a good place to go is to Chad for starters and if he feels he can’t make the decision, send emails to the upper echolon at lohud. Feel free to quote this portion of lohud’s TOS:
We also reserve the right to deny access to the Site or any features of the Site to anyone who violates these Terms of Service or who, in our sole judgment, interferes with the ability of others to enjoy our website or infringes the rights of others.
Case so closed it isn’t funny. And thank God for cyber trails. You don’t have to search too hard to find comments from frustrated posters with respect to the poisonous effect the blogkilling jerkoff gang has on the rest of the forum.
repost:
(Should have read without italicized last paragraph)
“Just a hotbed of intelligent discourse from the blogkilling jerkoff gang.
Where do we go now?”
I’d say a good place to go is to Chad for starters and if he feels he can’t make the decision, send emails to the upper echolon at lohud. Feel free to quote this portion of lohud’s TOS:
We also reserve the right to deny access to the Site or any features of the Site to anyone who violates these Terms of Service or who, in our sole judgment, interferes with the ability of others to enjoy our website or infringes the rights of others.
Case so closed it isn’t funny. And thank God for cyber trails. You don’t have to search too hard to find comments from frustrated posters with respect to the poisonous effect the blogkilling jerkoff gang has on the rest of the forum.
Trisha you definitely interfere with my ability to enjoy the site. Please stop your vulgarity and bad behavior. Thank you!
My brother’s friend gave him The Last Boy to read and he gave it to me. I’m just starting it and I have a feeling I’m not going to be able to put it down. When I looked at the cover it actually made me cry. There’s something so bittersweet about our baseball heroes and icons who are no longer with us. I don’t just want to read about the Mick, I want him back here. I feel cheated that I didn’t get to known Mickey Mantle the way I know, say, Derek Jeter.
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Tonight I watched Mo’s Yankeeography. When they got to the part about the 2001 World Series, Jorge Posada said that Mariano felt (based on the confluence of events that last inning) that some things are just not meant to be. I found that an interesting comment in light of what I read about Mariano believing that the Yankees lost the World Series so that Enrique Wilson wouldn’t be on the plane that crashed on its way to the Dominican Republic. Anyone who knows anything about Mo knows he’s deeply religious and believes that God’s hand guides everything.
New York Yankee infielder Enrique Wilson was scheduled to be on the flight. However, after the Yankees lost the 2001 World Series to the Arizona Diamondbacks, negating any victory parade in New York, Wilson flew home a few days earlier and was not on the flight.[29]
That’s from Wikipedia.
Anyway, if you want to talk about someone blessed with talent, Mariano got his share and that of at least twenty five other people who were too busy to pick theirs up!
“Trisha you definitely interfere with my ability to enjoy the site. Please stop your vulgarity and bad behavior. Thank you!”
Too late jackass. The noose on the hanging tree has had your name written on it since you rode in here on the back of some raggedy prarie dog. The only thing that saved you to this point is the fact that Pete Abraham no longer runs this blog. But organizations are loathe to violate their own Terms of Service and so you should soon be nothing more than a distant memory.
I’d say you should continue to bloat the forum with your stupidity and crass pomposity – and defamatory semordnilap.
West Coast Yankee Fan September 4th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Vineyard can you help with me with something. What does Tar spell backwards?
To posterity…
,Would you be referring to my campaign to show the maturity level and constant troll like behavior of you and your cohorts?
It’s apparent it’s working like a charm.
Don’t you read back and see how asinine you sound by taking a screen name and making the most childest of jokes about it? (Don’t worry everybody else does.)
What’s next– na- na your it. Grow up.
I think it is a good decision to stay with the 6 man. Not sure whose decision it was, but it is a good one. If AJ got blown out against the Red Sox, the decision is an easy one, but now you have to give him a couple of more starts to see if that was real or not.
A few less innings for CC won’t hurt him.
@# 98NYY you wrote “I think at this point Boston fans would take the Yankees six starting pitchers over theirs. They would love to have our worries…”
You are right. But the Red Sox will take Beckett, Lester, Bedard and Lackey (a real weak link but the 4th starter only pitches 1 time per series) over the Yankees top 4 of CC, Colon?Nova?Garcia? AJ?Hughes?. Their top 2 beats any top 2 in the AL (among the Rangers, Yankees and Tigers), and in the playoffs that is more important than having dept at the 4th, 5th and 6th spot.
The Tigers have Verlander, but after him they have several flavors of Lackey and Burnett. Their offense is also overly reliant on Miguel Cabrera and good pitching can shut them down by pitching around him. CC has been great, except against the Red Sox and Rangers. Even his last game against the Red Sox he struggled with his pitch count, and was fortunate to work out of some jams. Colon is in uncharted territory, who knows what he has left in October. Rangers have nobody that is all that good except CJ Wilson. Their other pitchers stats are helped by being in a very weak hitting division, but will have trouble against teams like the Red Sox and Yankees. Beckett tends to fade by the end of the season, or come down with some injury, at least he has since 2007, and the Red Sox will be in trouble if that happens this year.
pft2 – You also post on Pete Abe’s blog. What’s up with that? You a fan of both teams or what?
http://www.abrahamesparza.com/.....cd402.html
show is about to finish
igotid88,
Nice to see a fellow fan around here. I’m pretty amped to see them this month, for the first time since the ’03 tour! Far too long!
Should be interesting with Buck & Co. coming to town for a series tomorrow. Is it too much to ask for another broom job on the O’s ? A good time to build a little distance hopefully with the Jays facing the Sux.
Ken Phelps says:
September 4, 2011 at 7:42 pm
It’s forHard Me as a Yankee fan to make fun of a bad contract like lackey when the Yankees gave aj Burnett an 80 million dollar contract
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Except Cashman had to give AJ the contract out of absolute necessity.
Theo gave Lackey his contract out of gluttony.
muddyduck September 5th, 2011 at 1:02 am
igotid88,
Nice to see a fellow fan around here. I’m pretty amped to see them this month, for the first time since the ’03 tour! Far too long!
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that was fun. it was like being there. I saw them twice last year at MSG
Nite Trisha!
igotid88 September 5th, 2011 at 1:25 am
that was fun. it was like being there. I saw them twice last year at MSG
Wow…I only recently got caught up with some clips of those two shows and was blown away. Brilliant as always.
I made the trip down for MSG II in July ’03. Amazing…
Was lucky enough to be at the last night in Seattle back in 2000, too. Still remember the buzz leading up to that day that it could be their last show, given the tragedy at Roskilde that summer. And when they tore into ‘Alive’, felt like Key Arena was going to explode…
What a beautiful band.
Cheers!
Rest peacefully, Leroy Selmon. 56 years of age is way too young. hell of a ballplayer.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/ne.....eroyselmon
Happy Labor Day !
Hopefully this Oriole series + 1 game in Baltimore on Thursday sees the Yankees playing with the same determination as was seen in the Blue Jays series.
Still some pitching questions to be answered before leaving on the 2 city west coast trip.
Everybody sleeping in today?
There might be some delays today but they should get the game in. Probably not the case for Tuesday and/or Wednesday.
If they play .500 ball rest if the way they’ll finish @ 97-65.
Am i the only one who wants to talk baseball and not listen to or read the epic debate and fight between Trisha and west coast Yankee fan??? Come on guys it’s old….settle your differences or just ignore each other…
the fighting is getting old…just talk baseball
Tom -
Not everyone is sleeping in, in fact some of us don’t sleep much at all. Good morning.
Hope the weather holds out in NY for this series, would hate to see more make-up double headers.
I hope Girardi sends the SP out to the coast early, at least they would be rested. This last month is going to be tough.
I am heading up to the stadium shortly. I think they will get the game in as the forecast calls for showers after 3 p.m. I figure they will do everything possible to get the game in because, as CC just pointed out, the forecast for the next two days is dismal. I wonder what they will do if one or both of those games get rained out?
Morning Tom.
MTU -
Mike, where are my pictures, you’ve spoiled me?
I wonder what they will do if one or both of those games get rained out?
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doubleheader in Balt. on Thurs?
or open date 9/15 flying from Sea. to Toronto?
mtu…you have sense……tar thinks I’m 4 train, what do you think?
mick -
The Yankees are not going to give up a home game, and having to travel to the west coast after Thurs. game, they’d never play a DH. Most likely would be made up at the end of the season, if necessary.
big al, that sounds right.
mick September 5th, 2011 at 8:31 am
I wonder what they will do if one or both of those games get rained out?
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doubleheader in Balt. on Thurs?
don’t know if the Yankees would want to give up any home game revenue….it will be an interesting dilemma if it happens. hope it doesn’t.
Here you go Al.
https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/TheNavajoLakeArea?authkey=Gv1sRgCIid0IWDsYu8NA#
Enjoy.
Most likely would be made up at the end of the season, if necessary.
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I don’t think it will be necessary.
boston’s staff isn’t deep and we are too much so.
cash looks like a genius about now
who ever heard of having too much pitching?
Back in a bit, mops want to take a walk.
Mick-
I just wish the battles would stop.
I have no idea which person is which.
It is getting tiring.
Most people just want to come here to enjoy each other’s company.
The fighting makes that difficult if not impossible.
That’s all I can say.
the nonsense in here seems to be dying down except for a few that won’t let go
as an experiment i will take some time off
and return in the future
to see if anything has changed
may the battle for blog domination take its due course…
There really shouldn’t be any need whatsoever for battles IMO.
The blogmasters should have provided an “ignore” feature since some people just refuse to do it on their own.
MTU,
How goes it?
Blake-
I’m off on another hike today. I’m still tired from the last one.
It really took it out of me. 10 Miles at 10K isn’t as easy as it used to be.
We will take it a little easier today.
The team is looking good. I’m surprised they extended the 6 man.
I thought for sure they were sending Hughes to the pen.
MTU,
Yea I imagine not …..after hiking at that altitude the stuff around here would feel like a breeze to you.
I like sticking with the 6 man for now……if Hughes shows improvement then they consider him for the postseason rotation…..if he doesn’t and still remains kinda inconsistent then they can transition him to the bullpen towards the end of the month. I just think there is too much risk with Colon to not keep them all stretched out for now……they have a big enough cushion to give guys extra rest and to also give themselves more evaluation time.
good morning all
I can see why Girardi wants to wait. Pitchers could use a little extra rest this time of year and you can’t predict when an injury might occur.
Morning kate
beautiful pix MTU. Enjoy your hike
Thanks Kate
Al had to twist my arm.
Blake-
What you guys have out your way we call a hill. I’m almost 62 now. I’m gonna keep going as long as I can. I love what I’m doing. I hope the good Lord grants me some more time to continue to marvel at his Kingdom.
I guess it makes sense to try to take advantage of an embarassment of riches.
I’m sure it will get sorted out.
Feeling good with A-Rod back on line and Montero getting a chance.
Mike -
Great pics as usual. Another hike today? You must be eating a high protein diet. It looks like such a great way to live, too bad my old bones can’t do it any more. I’ll have to settle on enjoying the pictures you post, and dream.
as much as i like seeing the yankees win, the O’s are boring and depressing to watch. a 4 game snoozer coming up…
MTU,
That’s great bud…..you should do it as long as possible. There are so.many things to see in this world. Just think how much younger you are than GB
MTU, I’m guessing your 10K hike at altitude wasn’t any much more difficult than my 9 holes of golf this morning in the Florida heat and humidity-our golf course is soaking wet from the summer rains and every step (I prefer to walk when I play golf, don’t like golf carts) felt like 3.
The idea of 18 holes in under 3 hours and Yankees baseball was quickly replaced by the thought of staying alive through 9 and a shower, both of which are now complete-it’s too bad, I was hitting the ball really well today (2 over through 9). At least the Yankees baseball doesn’t require any exertion.
Enjoy your day, keep thinking about chasing baseballs out on Sullivan Street…
I really don’t care for.playing the orioles either……they have nobody that is exciting to watch
blake -
Don’t knock us old guys, without us, you’d be the old guys, lol.
MTU,
I’ve been watching this show on animal planet called “in search of Bigfoot” ….its hilarious ….these guys take leads on their website and then go and investigate. They had one in NC the last one o saw……don’t think they’ve had a utah one yet……I think you’d be the perfect guy to lead them on a Utah quest
AL,
Lol very true. That show I was talking about in NC was in Troy.
Al-
I hope everything turns out well. You will be in my thoughts. I hope you didn’t mind me putiing my 2 cents in yesterday.
Blake-
GB takes solace from the fact that Randy precedes him by hundreds of years.
MG-
It’s a long way from the streets of Brooklyn to the Rockies. It still amazes me that I am here. I don’t think I have ever played golf and the only part I might be any good at is caddy.
By the way, from what I hear, we have some really beautiful courses out here.
I’ll catch you all later.
blake -
In Uthah, Mike is known as big foot. It’s a name the Indians gave him for stepping on all the fresh berries.
Blake/Al-
I would love to explore your area. That’s for sure. It has it’s own special kind of beauty.
Gotta run.
MTU -
Next time could you put in 5 bucks instead, lol. You know I always appreciate your input my friend.
AL,
That’s what I was thinking…..he could.get some big rubber feet and make some tracks and then film himself in a gorrila suit…….hey he coukd get on TV
MTU, you live in a beautiful part of the country and it seems like a perfect fit for you.
I’ve played golf in Colorado and Utah a few times-had my first hole in one on a dreary February day in February at a course in St Georges about 15 years ago-the courses are beautiful and playing golf at 5,000 feet is really good for your ego because the ball travels much more than at sea level.
Have a great day, I think you’ll be returning to another Yankees win, they are just playing excellent ball and, as Paul O’Neill said yesterday, it seems like there is an expectation right now on the team that they win ever game just the way there was in the late ’90s.
blake -
You’ve never seen Mike have you? By the way, that’s not a gorila suit he’s wearing, just don’t shave that often.
MG,
I play in Boone NC quite often and its around 4,000 feet….some places higher and I agree its good for the ego…..everything is about a club shorter than normal.
MG -
This team is starting to remind me of the ’09 team.
blake -
Boone is nice, but I prefer Ashville/Hendersonville.
AL,
blake September 5th, 2011 at 9:26 am
MG,
I play in Boone NC quite often and its around 4,000 feet….some places higher and I agree its good for the ego…..everything is about a club shorter than normal.
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blake, Johnny Miller once mentioned on TV that if you add 10% to the distance for each club at altitude it works out pretty well-the few times I’ve played at altitude since then it seems to dial in the distance.
that’s a really nice part of the country as well-I almost wound up living in Asheville about 8 years ago and spent some time looking around.
AL,
I love Asheville….Thems me old stomping grounds. I just have a lot of Boone goon friends.
it looks like we all like Asheville, maybe that will convince the Rays to move the team there…
The O’s have boring players but they play with a dangerous edge that makes you feel like a fight or bean ball war could come at any moment.
MG -
I’m looking at homes in the Flat Rock area now. Not sure if I want to make a move now, given the real estate values on a re-sale, but it is very pretty area in western NC.
MG,
That’s cool…..its an intereting area because its so different from the rest of the state.
I wish the Rays would move to Charlotte……I think they’d draw like crazy with an uptown stadium if they kept running things as well as they have been.
AL,
WNC is where its at man
MG -
There have been numerous rumors of the Rays wanting to move to Charlotte, which would be great for both them, and baseball fans in NC. I could buy tickets when the Yanks were in town. Their AAA team plays in Durham, just 2 hours away, so it would be like SWB is for the Yankees.
By the way, they are rebuilding the SWB stadium, so the team will play all their home games on the road, and right now it looks like Rochester, NY will be the place.
Brevard is nice and that area…..south asheville is.growing like crazy. The area north of asheville is also really pretty and real estate may be a bit cheaper there as its not as heavily developed…..don’t know.
blake -
Are you familier with Waynesville? We saw some very interesting listings there, but are not familier with that area. Good, bad, no comment?
AL,
We coukd meet up and heckle the Rays when they played the Yanks….of course they’d have to change their band as there aren’t too many Rays in NC……maybe the Carolina Cougars
I lived near Bryson City for a while, fished walleyes in Fontana, and traveled over to Asheville many times because that was the nearest state store!
AL,
Yea its a nice area…..really growing. Close to Asheville and just a skip down 26 to Charleston and Atlanta. Nice area…..real estate is pricey Id imagine.
Fontana is awesome.
blake,
Does Bryson City still have that old courthouse painted silver?
blake -
Carolina Cougars, I like that. Reminds me of my Penn State Nittiany Lions.
Great article by Chad about Dave and Erin Robertson. Must read.
http://www.lohud.com/article/2...../109040354
Tom,
I haven’t been there in years…..but id bet so
blake -
actually the rays should move to boston as a national league team .
you would be surprised how many people in boston would like an alternative to the red sox.
“Ken Phelps September 5th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Am i the only one who wants to talk baseball and not listen to or read the epic debate and fight between Trisha and west coast Yankee fan??? Come on guys it’s old….settle your differences or just ignore each other…”
As a frequent reader but rare poster to this blog, I felt I should step in and defend Trisha here. WCYF seems to be that rare combination of sociopathic and functionally retarded, and is quite clearly the weak link in what is otherwise a fun and articulate group of commenters on this site. In addition, as an expat NYer living in LA myself, I’m doubly offended by WCYF’s BS, because he/she confirms every negative stereotype about Southern California that the rest of the world holds. He/she makes Kim Kardashian look like a freaking Nobel laureate.
So…Trisha, keep up your great posts and keep coming here, and Ken and everyone else, look at the drama on here with a critical eye and pressure Chad, et al, to remove the real problem (WCYF).
randy l. -
If you really hate Boston, send them the Mets.
they can have the braves back, nobody in atlanta would care.
and philly could take the a’s back, too.
o, sorry i forgot about jimmy carter….
New post folks.