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Yankees delay almost over; first pitch about 11 p.m.

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Sep 06, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s pouring right now at 5. Joe Girardi said that the rain is supposed to lighten after 7, but that he just doesn’t know if they’ll get this game in. He said the choices for a makeup include a day/night doubleheader tomorrow or a single game Sept. 29, the day after the regular season ends. The night side of a day/nighter wouldn’t be optimal for either side since they have a 1 p.m. makeup Thursday in Baltimore thanks to Hurricane Irene.

But Girardi is well armed for whatever happens. More reinforcements have arrived from Triple-A. The clubhouse is a full house. Ramiro Pena was activated from the DL after his rehab assignment, plus outfielder Greg Golson and righties Hector Noesi, George Kontos and Andrew Brackman were called up.

“I think those guys are being rewarded,” Girardi said. “We can look at what we have in the minor leagues. … Those extra arms never hurt.”

The 6-foot-10 Brackman, the 2007 first-round pick and former basketball player at N.C. State, struggled to throw strikes at times and admitted that he thought about getting another job after a particularly humiliating game in Durham. But then he talked to his father on the phone.

“He yelled at me and told me to get on the bus,” Brackman said. 

Now Brackman has no plans on quitting. After a nine-walk game against Buffalo, he made mechanical changes and moved to the bullpen. He said he pitched better the last month and a half, regaining his confidence.

Update, 6:14: Still pouring. Also, Lance Pendleton has been designated for assignment.

Update, 6:52: Still pouring. We won’t be starting on time. You look at it and wonder how we will be starting at all tonight.

Update, 7:08: We’re officially in a delay.

Update, 7:50: Still waiting. By the way, according to weather.com, there’s a window between 11 p.m. and 1 a.m. where there’s just a 15-20 percent chance of rain. Seriously. Then it goes back up to 100 percent. There’s a varying chance of rain throughout the day and night tomorrow.

Update, 8:42: Still waiting. The rain has lightened up some, but it’s still falling.

Update, 9:03: Rain seems to be picking up again.

Update, 9:34: Got to hand it to the handful of hardy souls – the ones not getting paid to be here – who are hanging in through this endless delay. I can see the rain being blown sideways by the wind across the upper deck.

Update, 9:53: Umps must really be down on day/night doubleheaders. Still raining.

Update, 10:03: From weather.com: the window is getting dicey. It’s now a 15 percent chance of rain at 11, but then it goes up to 55 percent at midnight and then down to 25 percent at 1 a.m. Then it’s 90 percent at 2 a.m. Maybe waiting wasn’t such a good idea.

Update, 10:25: The fans here are clamoring for the tarp to come off. Just drizzling.

Update, 10:29: The grounds crew is out to take off the tarp. We may play. How long until the next rain delay? It hasn’t totally stopped.

 
 

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453 Responses to “Yankees delay almost over; first pitch about 11 p.m.”

  1. Eroc September 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    BryanHoch Yankees have designated Lance Pendleton for assignment. Just packed up locker & left stadium.

  2. The Mercury Strikes Back September 6th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    2011 Triples:

    Austin Jackson 11
    Curtis Granderson 10

  3. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    2011 Homeruns
    Granderson: 38
    Jackson : 4

  4. Against All Odds September 6th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    No Montero

  5. The Mercury Strikes Back September 6th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Unfortunately, I doubt Josh “The Scum” Buckett will miss a game. He probably will not even miss a bullpen session.

    The Sucks have been incredibly lucky this season — on all fronts.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Why not?

    *************

    1. Totally different clubhouse and personnel to manage.

    2. George Steinbrenner era.

    3. Joe Torre is one of the greatest managers in baseball history; get back to me in fifteen years about Girardi.

  7. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Beckett is at a minimum missing his next start Sunday…..they’ve already announced that.

  8. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Beckett is at a minimum missing his next start Sunday…..they’ve already announced that.

    ***********

    Replaced by Lester I think.

  9. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    “Replaced by Lester I think.”

    Yup….which means somebody has to replace Lester in his spot.

  10. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Incredibly lucky, with Dice-K and Bucholtz out for the year?

  11. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Wonder why Pendleton was designated? To make room for somebody?

  12. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Not sure they miss Dice K much…..Bucholtz though absolutely.

  13. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    Incredibly lucky, with Dice-K and Bucholtz out for the year?

    ——————————————————————

    I would say they are incredibly lucky for Dice-K to be out all year. That’s addition by subtraction.

    Buchholz, however, is unlucky.

  14. MichiganYankee September 6th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Why not a conventional double-header tomorrow afternoon? (Yeah, I know why but ….)

  15. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Why does Beckett in every single picture I see have a look on his face that someone forgot to put on their signal light before turning.

    Absolute King D Bag

  16. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    “Wonder why Pendleton was designated? To make room for somebody?”

    To make room for Kontos?

  17. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    1. Totally different clubhouse and personnel to manage. 2. George Steinbrenner era. 3. Joe Torre is one of the greatest managers in baseball history; get back to me in fifteen years about Girardi.

    ——

    Why can this team and clubhouse be managed by a parakeet?

  18. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Parakeets can’t say “bring Proctor in” ;)

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Why can this team and clubhouse be managed by a parakeet?

    ************

    Changing the channel you bore me. Click.

  20. Jerkface September 6th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Parrots can, and regurgitate all they hear in a salacious tell all book

  21. jacksquat September 6th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    They didn’t have to not play Montero because Jorge needs to play. They could have given Teixeira a day off…

  22. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Changing the channel you bore me. Click.

    —–

    What happened to I welcome anyone challenging my baseball opinions and all that nonsense?

  23. BIG AL September 6th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    So mature – not.

  24. BIG AL September 6th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    LGY -

    You got it correct – Nonsense!

  25. RayVT September 6th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    They sure did! It is the team I rank all others against! So much promise for years to come & they imploded. Yanks Traded Skowron, Maris, Terry, Lee Thomas, Deron Johnson, Blanchard, & Boyer, which really decimated the team IMO. I didn’t remember Long? Did you mean Lopez?

    C – Howard, Blanchard & Berra
    1B – Skowron, Blanchard
    2B – Richardson
    SS – Kubek, Tresh
    3B – Boyer
    LF – Berra, Howard, Lopez, Bob Cerv & Blanchard
    CF – Mantle, Marris
    RF – Marris & Blanchard

  26. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    The parakeet ate the binder, so he can’t manage.

  27. Madrugador September 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Anyone else shocked to see BracKman called up?

  28. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Yankees New York Yankees
    Congrats to Curtis Granderson, who has been named AL Player of the Month for August. Granderson hit .286 with 10 HRs, 29 RBIs and 29 runs.

  29. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Torre was a fantastic manager. Until he wasn’t.

    Those last few years, it was kind of like having to tell Grandpa it’s time to retire from heading the family business. No offense Grandpa, we love you and all, but…

  30. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Brackman pitched well towards the end of the year…..and he’s on the 40 man already.

  31. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    GB7,
    As long as the past is being blasted, wasn”t Bob Cerv a late season pickup, like Johnny Mize way back in the day?

  32. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    BJK, LOVE the handle, reminds me of a certain pitcher we are all very fond of around here….

    excellent analogy, too!

  33. jacksquat September 6th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
    Changing the channel you bore me. Click.

    —–

    What happened to I welcome anyone challenging my baseball opinions and all that nonsense?

    Crickets…

  34. HipHipHorHay September 6th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I don’t think Beckett is replaced by Lester on Sunday. I think Lester was already going on Sunday. Tonight, and then five days later is Sunday. Am I wrong?

  35. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    RayVT September 6th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
    GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    They sure did! It is the team I rank all others against! So much promise for years to come & they imploded. Yanks Traded Skowron, Maris, Terry, Lee Thomas, Deron Johnson, Blanchard, & Boyer, which really decimated the team IMO. I didn’t remember Long? Did you mean Lopez?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Never understood the reason for trading Lee Thomas, but, years later, I realized that he had no place to play. They also sent Kenny Hunt to the Angels in ’61. Hunt hit about 25 homers as a rookie that year. Hunt was a boyhood friend of Maris’, by the way. That was some high school and American Legion baseball team.

  36. Eroc September 6th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Ledger_NYMets
    Montero. RT @_Petta_: who you think has a better future in NY, Duda or Jesus of NYY?

  37. RayVT September 6th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    WOW! I have to run for now! TTYL!

  38. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Tommy, Bob cerv was. He was a multiple return Yankee….about 3 or 4 times with the Yanks. In 1951, Mantle, Cerv and Jackie Jensen were all fighting for the center field spot on the Yankees. That was a lot of talent that was stacked on the farm.

  39. Madrugador September 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Brackman in relief?! The last thing I want from a relief pitcher is to walk the first guy he faces.
    He stayed in baseball because his father yelled at him? The last thing the pitching staff needs is another head case.

  40. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    GB7,
    In those days, if the farm ran out, there was always KC.

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Changing the channel you bore me. Click.

    —–

    What happened to I welcome anyone challenging my baseball opinions and all that nonsense?

    *************

    I do and I answered you specifically. I am not playing your why-why-why game ad infinitum like a five year old.

  42. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    ..i can think of another guy who stayed in baseball because his dad (mutt) yelled at him…..turned out ok i guess…

  43. yanks61 September 6th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Ray VT

    Dale Long was a reserve first baseman on the Yanks in 1960 after a long careeer in the NL. I think GB7 confused the years he played on the Yanks. He was traded to Washington for the 61 season.

    P – “I like his (Girardi’s) comment today about Montero hitting and how to be a good hitter.. hmmm didn’t work out to well for Joe when he was hitting now did it? Nothing like getting advice from a know-it-all that can’t perform what he’s tell you to do.”

    For your information, P, a few more know-it-alls that couldn’t perform (IE. were mediocre players before they became) but did pretty darned well as managers:

    Connie Mack
    John McGraw
    Joe McCarthy
    Walter Alston
    Earl Weaver

    Just off the top of my head.

    P.S. Some of the most celebrated hitting coaches in the history of the game couldn’t hit worth a darn either.

  44. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    GB7,
    Weren’t most of those trades made at the start of the CBS ownership?

  45. Yogi Mantle September 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    ..i can think of another guy who stayed in baseball because his dad (mutt) yelled at him…..turned out ok i guess…
    ==========

    That was my first thought. heh.

  46. blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    “Torre was a fantastic manager. Until he wasn’t.”

    Great one line summation. He was the perfect manager of the Yankees for a time…..that time ended and a change was necessary …..doesn’t change what he did during the dynasty years.

  47. Jerkface September 6th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    You don’t have to be able to hit to know how hitting works. Else K Long would have been a superstar and not a coach

  48. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    I do and I answered you specifically. I am not playing your why-why-why game ad infinitum like a five year old.

    ——

    So transparent.

  49. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    If it’s raining in the Bronx like it is on LI, forget the game – what an awful day. This rain is depressing – all it does is rain.

    Ok, nuff complaining, lol

  50. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 6th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    http://www.necn.com/09/06/11/S.....eedID=3352
    .
    Wishful thinking by 2 BoSux Nation stooges, I bet!

  51. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Tom, Thomas and hunt were dealt in ’61. CBS bought the yanks in ’64.

    For those that don’t know who jackie Jensen, he was a Yankee farm hand signed out of University of California where he was a football All American. he became the first person to play in the Rose Bowl and a WS game. ’58 AL MVP…beating out in order, Bob Turley, Rockie Colivito, Bob Cerv and Mickey Mantle.. Connection? They all played for the yankees at one time.

    Strong year for the farm system that year. 12 of the 25 players to receive MVP votes, 10 of them came out of the Yankee system and two others played for the Yanks later.

  52. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    ***Rocky Colavito***

  53. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    IMO, Martin should be catching Hughes, not Cervelli

  54. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    GB7,
    Ever see a greater outfield arm than Colivito’s?

  55. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    GB7,
    I trusted your spelling. Always a mistake.

  56. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Tom, Clemente and Winfield gave him a good fight.

  57. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    GB7,
    Not a bad league to be in.

  58. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    blake September 6th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
    “Wonder why Pendleton was designated? To make room for somebody?”

    To make room for Kontos?

    ————————————————-

    That’s what RAB is reporting. Thanks blake!

  59. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 6th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Sources: Beckett’s injury a ‘short-term’ problem ( http://www.necn.com/09/06/11/S.....eedID=3352 )
    .
    consider where we see this though….right?

  60. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Barfield had a phenomenal arm

  61. austinmac September 6th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    We would appreciate it if you would send some rain our way.

    Looking at the weather radar, I can’t imagine this game happening.

  62. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    GB7,
    My first daughter had a number 31 footies, and we lived in Boston then. 4-time grandpas since then.

  63. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    No chance of this game getting played tonight, radar is ugly and getting worse.

    Any bets that the Yankees keep the Orioles in the stadium as long as they can tonight without having the game called? And the Yankee clubhouse will mysteriously thin out early…

    They should do the game after the last day of the season. That would be the most inconvenient for the Orioles, and too bad for them.

  64. Kelvin September 6th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Just saw some legends employees going home, rained out? Or sent home for other reasons?

  65. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Girardi gets on this blog. This team is only in first place, over 30 games above .500, but if he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team, he’s a bad manager whom his players do not like? Give me a freakin’ break.

    As far as I know Jorge Posada has not yet retired. He is a valuable part of this team.

    It is to a manager’s advantage to give ALL his players an opportunity to contribute.

    ***

    I don’t see how this game gets played tonight. But maybe they start, the Yankees can jump to an early lead the the game is called after 4 and a half.

    Otherwise, I hope they go with the “if we need to play it, we’ll play it after the season ends” scenario.

    But, with the way rain has been following the Yankees around this season, they better win every scheduled game left in order to avoid playing all the games that are “leftover.”

  66. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “Kevin September 6th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    Just saw some legends employees going home, rained out? Or sent home for other reasons?”

    __________________________________________________

    fired for moving hank’s ashtray?

  67. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 6th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    only 5 more saves and Mo passes Trevor!

  68. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Girardi gets on this blog. This team is only in first place, over 30 games above .500, but if he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team, he’s a bad manager whom his players do not like? Give me a freakin’ break.

    *************

    I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Torre gets on this blog. His team won 6 Pennants and 4 World Series titles, but he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team. Give me a freakin’ break.

  69. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Don’t know why people have to choose “favorite” managers.

    Loved Torre until the “midges” game. After that, not so much. His time had passed in NY. Doesn’t mean he isn’t loved for what he did.

  70. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    And WCYF – If there is an issue, I have noticed that one can be certain that you will take the opposite view. Is it something you do for fun? Or are you really that disagreeable all the time?

  71. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Supporting Girardi and Torre are not mutually exclusive.

    Torre was a good player manager, awful baseball manager. Not hard to understand that. We don’t know enough about Girardi to form a valid opinion of him, but the players seem to be happy and the bullpen still seems to have bullets left. +1 for Girardi.

  72. blake September 6th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Im appalled just in general

  73. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    agreed about the treatment given to both joes here. seems like people feel the need to pick one joe over the other.

    joe torre was one of my favorite players and imo an excellent manager, the right guy for the situation when he came, and it worked out well for a long time, then the time came for a change. i bear no ill feelings just because he took some money to throw out a few juicy quotes in a book written by someone else. what was achieved with him guiding our team was spectacular and i will always love/respect joe for that.

    as for girardi, he sees way past the ridiculous every day demands of the bridge jumpers on here and take the longer view of what is best for the entire team over the course of 7 months.
    he knows that the players win and his job is to keep them healthy/rested and prepared to do their best and does an excellent job of it.

    anyone who managed the way people on here demand would burn out his troops and be hated by the whole team, not to mention likely wouldnt last a full year running the club.

    i was going to add, what does any manager have to do to get credit from the i-want-it-all-and-i-want-it-yesterday crowd on here, but the answer is that nothing would satisfy them. 162-0 would help but then there would be griping about how they got there and why didnt they win 163.

  74. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Jeter will hit the Yanks 200th homer this year. Posada will hit #199.

  75. igotid88 September 6th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    if only they had a roof

  76. Triple Short of a Cycle September 6th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Are you kidding with this Torre love? The last 5 years the guy was on auto pilot. All he did was fall asleep and drink green tea in the dugout and so much for the sanctity of the clubhouse. I’m sure Kevin Brown loved hearing Torre tell the world that he was crying after a game or the treatment he gave Arod. Or the fact that he fought Cash all the way to go to a more stat based way of evaluating players.Refusing to bunt on Schilling because that’s not the Yankee Way. What kind of manager league manager says that. Who doesn’t use every weapon they can to win. You think Girardi would have stayed in the dugout during the midge game? Oh and watch Boston hit us game after game but Torre would never order retaliation because of his home life. He was good at 2 things. Dealing with George and dealing with the players egos. They made the right decision letting him go except it was 3 years too late. Oh and don’t get me started on the bull pen

  77. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    mantle batted about .260 his last 4 years, so by your torre standard, he was a useless bum.

  78. blake September 6th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Complaining about the manager is part of being a baseball fan…..Girardi drives me nuts sometimes but there are some very important aspects of managing that he excels at…..and I think he’s young and improving

  79. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Why the heck is it a big deal if a people disagree? Some people have no tolerance for anyone’s opinions other than their own – makes you wonder why the hell they come to a blog for

    Torre wasn’t a saint – or a devil – but then, people are generally in the middle. I don’t love Girardi as a manager at all……..but he’s done a very good job this year.

  80. JobaTipsHisCap September 6th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    It’s safe to say the weather of this year in NYC is one of the worst.

  81. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    Mantle had an OPS+ of 142 his last season. Some bum.

  82. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Ledger_Yankees RT @YankeesWeather: The umpires, not the #nyy , will determine if and when the game is played tonight. Updates will be posted when available

    Why?

  83. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    No one likes everything a manager does on a day-to-day basis. And, blake, I agree that complaining about a manager’s moves is part of being a baseball fan. I’d be lying if I sat here and said that I loved every move either Joe has ever made in the last 16 years. (Is it really 16 years???)

    But it’s really mindboggling the disrespect both managers get (I will agree that both have gotten their share of undeserved muck thrown at them). I look at the Yankees’ bullpen the last 4 years, and I am quite impressed with Girardi’s handling of a very sketchy area for most teams.

    I also agree that I don’t understand why liking one manager (Torre) precludes liking his successor (Girardi) overall.

    It’s just that I sat down to the blog after dinner, and it had been really nice here and I wasn’t expecting the barrage of ill will aimed at Girardi because he had the nerve to put Jorge in the lineup over Montero. Seemed over the top to me, is all.

  84. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....d-3-55477/

    Granderson was a cute kid, lol

  85. blake September 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    So I guess the game is bein delayed?

  86. lounge lizard September 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    2011 Homeruns
    Granderson: 38
    Jackson : 4

    ________________________________________________

    Jackson actually has 9 homers in 2011. I noticed because he’s on a bit of a surge. Has 4 homers just since August 19.

  87. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    You should have seen the reaction when Joe pulled Montero for Jorge a couple of days ago, as if Montero was never going to get another MLB at bat

  88. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Betsy -

    It’s not that people disagree. It’s how they disagree.

    And I really seriously don’t understand how a manager who has his team in first place in the first week of September, 2 and a half games ahead of the team that was supposed to run away with the division, get so much disrespect. So I voiced that opinion.

  89. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Conspiracy #3056:

    I’ve uncovered Pat M.’s true identity. After seeing the latest “Just For Men” commercial about the guy sitting around the pool with his pool cleaner in the background and landscape crew…Pat M. is really Randy Johnson.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Heard Damon interviewed today by Lupica, who asked him who he would pick to pitch in a Game 7 among:

    CC
    Verlander
    Weaver
    Price

    Without hesitation, Johnny D said “I gotta go with CC”. :D
    Said C’s been there, done that, is a horse, knows when to bear down, etc.

    Having been with Detroit last year, Damon observed that Verlander didn’t trust his stuff enough and tried to get hitters to chase too much, but that this year, he’s more aggressive and consequently, more efficient. Good interview, praised Cano and said he thought Robbie was the team’s best hitter even a few years ago. Good luck to JD & Rays against Boston.

  91. 4 NYY September 6th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Check what Rose did his last 6 yrs. just to break the hit record. Averaged in the .260′s.

    Hot dog style of play and a jerk of a father as well as a person in almost any respect.

    Have seen him in action here in Nv. at card signings, autographs, etc. A real ass.

  92. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    mantle batted about .260 his last 4 years, so by your torre standard, he was a useless bum.

    ————————

    Mantle last 4 years

    1,928 PAs

    .254/.386/.450 149 OPS+

  93. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    When will people realize that batting average doesn’t tell the whole story?

  94. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Love JD….wish it could have worked out where he could have stayed longer but Im glad he and the Yanks are on good terms.

  95. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Looking out my window it certainly does not look like baseball weather.

    Jesus brought the rain fury on New York because Joe didn’t pencil him in the lineup.

  96. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Villa, it’s impossible to disagree on here with some people because they don’t want to hear it – there is no discussing things with some.

  97. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    JD politicking for his HOF plaque?

  98. syd_cash September 6th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    it always rain with the Yanks and O’s

  99. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    “Jesus brought the rain fury on New York because Joe didn’t pencil him in the lineup.”

    __________________________________________

    …. or joe didnt pencil jesus into the lineup because he could see the fury of the rain on ny…

  100. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    The rain fury was brought on by Jesus’s two opposite fielders. Nature is still trying to recover. ;)

  101. pkyankfan69 September 6th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Girardi gets on this blog. This team is only in first place, over 30 games above .500, but if he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team, he’s a bad manager whom his players do not like? Give me a freakin’ break.

    *************

    I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Torre gets on this blog. His team won 6 Pennants and 4 World Series titles, but he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team. Give me a freakin’ break.

    ——————————————————

    I am appalled at the treatment that Rob Schneider gets on this blog. He has starred in many big screen classics such as The Animal, Grown Ups, Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigalo, & Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalo. The man is simply a comedic genious and he still doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow his career. Give me a freakin’ break.

  102. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Betsy -

    People get too personal, as if it matters in “real life.”

    Perhaps when I used the word “appalled” it was too strong a word, but I was certainly taken aback at the amount and tone of the attitude toward Girardi tonight.

    Hey, Montero was amazing yesterday, and in the games he’s played he’s been a real joy to watch, and I get being disappointed he’s not going to play everyday. But Girardi has a very difficult job to do, juggling his players and making sure everyone gets playing time. And as much as there are those who seem all too willing to throw Posada to the wolves, he IS still a part of this team.

  103. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    The rain fury was brought on by Jesus’s two opposite fielders. Nature is still trying to recover.

    ——————-

    Nice.

  104. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    “I am appalled at the treatment that Rob Schneider gets on this blog.”

    You can do it!!

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Disagreement is fine. What I have no tolerance for is commentary that disrespects the players, especially those who helped define certain Yankee eras. My view is, you insult the players, or troll the players, you bring it on yourself.

    I’ll be damned if I am going to listen to Howard Red Sock get his jollies running down Hughes, or that teeny bopper take runs at Posada, or smug, vision-less and compulsive kicking of Jeter.

    Otherwise, I don’t really care what side of an argument someone is on. Everyone has a right to their voice, obviously.

    I doubt they get tonight’s game in.

  106. The Mercury Strikes Back September 6th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Delay? Not a surprise.

    By all measures, New York and Baltimore are the top 1, 2 rainiest cities on the Western Hemisphere.

  107. JM September 6th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Girardi’s in-game decision-making sometimes drives me nuts, but he is great at looking at the big picture of the 162-game season, getting players rest when they need it, and managing the bullpen.

    I loved Torre and he was great for the dynasty years. Was wonderful to see him come back for Old-Timers Day and feel the love from the crowd, which was well-deserved. But I agree with others who say he stayed about three or four years too long. He was in a rut and that stuff about him asking the clubhouse kid to go find out who won the 8th race at Belmont during a game kind of proves the point.

  108. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    I don’t think the world would have ended if the Yanks let Montero catch a game…..Im sure they want to get him comfortable at the plate first and get him.settled into a DH role.for now…..mbut really hope they give him a taste behind the plate at some point.

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
    The rain fury was brought on by Jesus’s two opposite fielders. Nature is still trying to recover.
    ///

    :D
    ///

    Yankeefem, nice to see ABrack get the call. Hope he gets in. Still waiting on the ascension of No. 50.

  110. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Oddly, it’s not raining in Washington, D.C.

    Or interestingly?

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Wynegar was on with Kay today and expressed optimism about Montero’s catching. Said he’s a good catcher when he’s focused on it. Hmm…given that statement, I’ll assume they think he has some maturing to do there…

  112. Bronx Jeers September 6th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Oddly, it’s not raining in Washington, D.C.

    Or interestingly?

    ———————

    As long as it’s not “ironically” :wink:

  113. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    I’ll never use that word (ironically) on this blog!!!

    ;)

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Heh. It’s true that “ironically” never seems to get to the actual irony…..

  115. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    prufrock i left my drumkit at home but… ba-dum bum. tsssss

  116. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    the yankees being forced to make up a rainout as part of a dh in baltimore on thursday would be ironic.

  117. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Why would the Yankees agree to move one of their home games when the Orioles wouldn’t extend the same courtesy?

    I didn’t really understand that… The orioles would have made more money taking the rake from a Yankee home game than one of their own.

    Bad teams are bad, I guess.

  118. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    JackCurryYES 19 mins Montero caught a bullpen session b4 game. Normally, that’s mundane. But Girardi watched entire session to help gauge where Montero is as C

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    And WCYF – If there is an issue, I have noticed that one can be certain that you will take the opposite view. Is it something you do for fun? Or are you really that disagreeable all the time?

    *************

    That is nonsense people notice what they want to. I love Cano, Jeter, Swisher. Mo, etc., etc., I could go on. Depends what it is. Do I think people blast the media unfairly, oh yes I do.

  120. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    funny, francessa said today that the rangers and tigers have the same record, and kay just said that they are separated by a game and a half, but neither was correct.

  121. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Pruf, Brack’s out of bullpen stats have been decent. Wish milb would keep RP, SP stats for pitchers. Maybe Brack’ll get in in a blowout. Otherwise, we tend toward the retreads like the Scott Proctors of the world. However, looks like we may have another DH in the offing if this rain doesn’t ease. Don’t know what is happening with #50.

    Wynegar interview was excellent. He’s always maintained the belief that Jesus will catch.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    “Are you kidding with this Torre love? The last 5 years the guy was on auto pilot. All he did was fall asleep and drink green tea in the dugout and so much for the sanctity of the clubhouse. I’m sure Kevin Brown loved hearing Torre tell the world that he was crying after a game or the treatment he gave Arod. Or the fact that he fought Cash all the way to go to a more stat based way of evaluating players.Refusing to bunt on Schilling because that’s not the Yankee Way. What kind of manager league manager says that. Who doesn’t use every weapon they can to win. You think Girardi would have stayed in the dugout during the midge game? Oh and watch Boston hit us game after game but Torre would never order retaliation because of his home life. He was good at 2 things. Dealing with George and dealing with the players egos. They made the right decision letting him go except it was 3 years too late. Oh and don’t get me started on the bull pen”

    OMG Triple, I could have written this post. You have my undying respect. You forgot his favoritism and how he blackballed players who somehow crossed him. Big hero.

    **************

    Crazy busy day here and as usual this is probably not timely in terms of what you guys have been talking about, but here’s what I want to say about the “fairness” aspect to those who feel that they want the Sux at full strength, never wish injuries on anyone, don’t want Sux fans to have the opportunity to say that the Yankees won because they didn’t have their best out there, etc.

    1. I never wish injuries on anyone.

    2. I couldn’t care less if Beckett never makes it back on the field. Since I never considered the Sux a threat, I have no great need to have them all healthied up to prove anything. I didn’t consider them a threat all healthied up, so whether they have Beckett there or not has no relevance to me whatsoever. In fact if their whole team gets the flu, that suits me just fine. If they’re all healthy, that’s fine too. But I have no need to pray for Beckett to return since I don’t consider them part of any serious equation anyway – Beckett or no Beckett.

    3. That does not vary from anything I have ever said about what I consider them to be in terms of being praiseworthy or worry-worthy.

    4. As an aside, I remember how concerned Sux fans were when Kevin Brown broke his hand one September. Uh yuh.

    **********

    GO YANKEES!!!

    GO JAYS!!!

  123. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    What’s the weather doing in the city, LGY?

  124. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/northeast_loop.php

    That’s a 70min loop.

    It’s going to be raining for at least another… 3 or 4 hours.

  125. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    sportsJC16 6 Sep #Yankees are a conservative org. Montero probably should have been up sooner. Now that he’s in NY, he’s going to be there for a long time.

    sportsJC16 6 Sep For those haters of #Yankees who think Jesus Montero is all hype, sorry to disappoint you. He’s the real deal and he’s only 21. sportsJC

  126. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Fem

    Not looking good.

  127. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    And all day tomorrow? :(

    I have tix to tonight, but didn’t bother going.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Girardi gets on this blog. This team is only in first place, over 30 games above .500, but if he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team, he’s a bad manager whom his players do not like? Give me a freakin’ break.”

    Absolutely with you. On top of being good to his players and not playing favorites, the guy knows how to manage a bullpen. The guy is great – and bright – and kind. And has already managed the team to a world series win his second season in.

    He’s got my vote coming and going.

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    YsGuy – they don’t have to be correct, it’s Talk Radio ;) .

    What I found pretty funny today was that the Red Sox have, virtually overnight, not only lost Greatest Team Ever status, but they are now a team in jeopardy of blowing the WC…

    ID – then there’s “I think you alluded to that…” when whoever it was doing the alluding came right out and said whatever it is they were saying….:D.

  130. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 6th, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ate_4.html
    .
    Beckett update: Bad sprain, surgery not required
    Print | Comments (0) Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff September 6, 2011 07:32 PM
    .
    Bad sprain on the leg you use to push off….SURE he is only missing one start !

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    “What I found pretty funny today was that the Red Sox have, virtually overnight, not only lost Greatest Team Ever status, but they are now a team in jeopardy of blowing the WC…”

    :)

    All on the back of one guy – which really makes you question what the “Greatest Team Ever” was ever based on! I, uh, never bought it, by the way.

  132. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    And he has a pretty pinstriped binder, too.

    He’s a bad game manager; in making decisions, he relies on extremely small sample sizes from his binder. One would think that a guy with a degree in industrial engineering would have taken a statistics class. But then again, maybe that’s why he’s a baseball manager.

  133. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    I heard Matt Williams talking about that last night on MLB… I think the races are just really boring for them this year. Only the Angels and the RedSox are less than 7 games back of either the division or wildcard. Unfortunately it’s going to result in an extra wild card team and further lowering of the talent pool in the playoffs.

  134. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    I was shocked Torre survived 2004. He had just as much to do with that collapse as the players.

  135. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Rays are 7 games back with 7 games left against Boston. ;)

  136. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I asked the delivery guy if he thinks they could play baseball out there but he didn’t respond… :???:

  137. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    so niblick, you have actually seen what is in his book and know what ‘sample’s he’s looking at. please enlighten us…

  138. The Mercury Strikes Back September 6th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    On that news, Red Sucks — incredibly lucky once again, like they have been all season.

  139. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    lgy, you speak uzbek?

  140. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Yes, Joe G’s reliance on small sample sizes is curious.

  141. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Rickie Weeks has been on the DL since July 28th with a “severely sprained left ankle”.

    Beckett didn’t really look like he landed that poorly when they took him out… maybe it was already sprained and he made it worse?

  142. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Villa, nothing wrong with what you said – this place is all about having strong opinions. I also believe in honesty……..so, speak your mind. It just gets very personal at times, which is a shame

  143. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    The extra wild card will make the divisional races mean something again if they do it right…

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
    Pruf, Brack’s out of bullpen stats have been decent. Wish milb would keep RP, SP stats for pitchers. Maybe Brack’ll get in in a blowout. Otherwise, we tend toward the retreads like the Scott Proctors of the world. However, looks like we may have another DH in the offing if this rain doesn’t ease. Don’t know what is happening with #50.

    Wynegar interview was excellent. He’s always maintained the belief that Jesus will catch.
    ///

    Wynegar’s maybe the anti-Girardi in that he relates more to Montero I’d imagine, while Joe seems to throw in philosophically with Cervelli. Butch was a guy whose defense wasn’t exactly stellar but who had offensive upside. Montero’s obviously way more talented, and heralded, but I don’t mind a bit that Butch protests against the idea that Montero will be nothing more than a DH…

    Haven’t seen Brackman since he was down here but the numbers are very heartening and they got him a call up. The Proctor thing, I can’t get my head around…I thought we were past that kind of thing after 2009…

  145. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Ys Guy – no I haven’t seen his Binder, but I hear what he says before and after games about why he played certain guys or made certain moves – and it often is based on a ridiculously small sample sizes.

  146. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    provide some examples of when Girardi relied on a small sample size to influence his decision making.

  147. JM September 6th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    If his ankle is “severely sprained,” Beckett is going to miss more than one start….

  148. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Ys Guy, I am not interested in bashing Joe. However, it is true that Joe has at times quoted small sample sizes, such as x-batter is 1/3 against y-pitcher, and that is why x is in the lineup.

  149. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    They also say Buccholtz could be back win a stress fracture in his spine…..

  150. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Somehow I doubt it’s as bad as they will let on. It’s good press to doom and gloom the RedSox while Beckett is out, only to praise their savior if they catch the Yankees after his return.

  151. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Niblick, right, if one watches pre and post game one can’t help but notice that Joe does qualify moves by quoting miniscule sample sizes.

  152. Niblick September 6th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Yeah, a 3 AB sample size carries a standard deviation of about .289 on batting average.

  153. kd September 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    beckett’s going to miss two to three starts. that’s really going to tax their bullpen.

    great news for yankee fans.

    if we win the division, they don’t get home field advantage in any playoff series.

  154. blake September 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    The proper way to make decisions is to always simulate the situation out on xbox first…..then act accordingly.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock September 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Well, Trisha, it will be interesting to watch the prognosticators who hailed the 2011 Boston Red Sox as better than the ’27 Yankees (widely considered the greatest team of all time) try explain how they could manage to be worse than the 2011 edition Yankees….

  156. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    BryanHoch Yankees.com: Granderson, Uggla named Players of Month http://t.co/ZnTm5YB
    29 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  157. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    small or large sample size, book or no book, this team is thriving under girardi’s leadership and the players seem pretty relaxed and prepared. the record speaks for itself.

    id like to hear who the girardi haters would like to see running this team.

  158. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    It’s amazing how unhealthy Pete Rose looks these days. The guy looks like he eats Oscar Meyer’s all day and drinks nothing but Mountain Dew. I’d hate to have to share a stall next to him in a public restroom.

    Now if Jeter wants to hang around for 6 years beyond this heyday and hit .250 – .260 I’m all for it if that’s what it takes to dethrone Rose as the all-time hits leader.

    I’m getting exciting for Mo to oust Hoffman!

  159. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    “I was shocked Torre survived 2004. He had just as much to do with that collapse as the players.”

    Not to mention the way he managed the 2003 World Series.

  160. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I generally like Girardi’s managing except for micromanagment/obsessive bullpen match-ups, but weighed in on the sample sizes b/c he does rely on small ones. Not a Girardi hater by any means. I wanted him to get the job and wanted Torre gone after 2004.

  161. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    still waiting for some instances of Girardi using a small sample size to make a decision. predictably none are being thrown out there.

  162. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    I don’t hate Girardi. I think he’s a competent manager that is doing a workmanlike job with a great team

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    “Well, Trisha, it will be interesting to watch the prognosticators who hailed the 2011 Boston Red Sox as better than the ’27 Yankees (widely considered the greatest team of all time) try explain how they could manage to be worse than the 2011 edition Yankees….”

    :)

    Really pathetic, isn’t it. JA, they were annointed as soon as the Yanks lost out on Cliff Lee. I guess the dulwarts thought that the Yankee universe was going to come crashing to the ground without Cliff Lee.

    Enter Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia. Just beautiful!

    *********

    About the Sux bullpen – it isn’t all that so it’s going to be even less all that! They were in trouble with the bullpen before Beckett went down!

  164. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    WC, yep, managing generally is overrated. Do love the way Girardi has been resting players and doesn’t overuse bp arms.

  165. Crawdaddy September 6th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    People didn’t think this was a great team in April. In fact, certain Yankee fans predicted the Yankees will miss the playoffs and won’t even win 90 games.

  166. MTU September 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Sux crushing the Jays so far tonight.

    :(

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    “still waiting for some instances of Girardi using a small sample size to make a decision. predictably none are being thrown out there.”

    wacka, whatever he uses, it certainly seems to work! The guy has a mind like a steel trap, for real. I was pretty excited about getting him because I happen to think that someone with an engineering background has a very sound and grounded way of looking at things and putting them together. I was all for Girardi and did not want Donnie Baseball, primarily because I saw him as a carbon copy of Torre.

  168. DocTodd September 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Nice of the Blue Jays to send a total scrub out onto the mound for the Sox to feast on…

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    “Sux crushing the Jays so far tonight.”

    Eh. Blind squirrel theory.

  170. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    About the Sux bullpen – it isn’t all that so it’s going to be even less all that! They were in trouble with the bullpen before Beckett went down!
    _________________
    I chuckled when Sux signed Jenks…

  171. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    waka you clearly don’t watch pre-post game. But whatever, I have spent far to much time on something that isn’t my fight in the first place.

  172. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    too

  173. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Any projected game time updates?

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Boy were they b*tching about that signing today on EEI! They are really worried about the pen because they don’t believe they have a 7th inning guy to get to Bard to them get to Papelbum. Jenks was supposed to be that guy. They definitely can’t use Aceves in that role because they need him too badly elsewhere. That leaves them with Albers and Wheeler.

    BIG TROUBLE. We know too well what happens when you attempt to go into the postseason with a non-functioning bullpen. They’re also miffed that Theo didn’t bother getting relief arms at the trading deadline.

    Awwww.

    :)

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    “Nice of the Blue Jays to send a total scrub out onto the mound for the Sox to feast on…”

    In a 4-game series I’d much rather have Lester face a scrub and have the Jays better pitchers facing the lesser Suxers.

  176. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Fausto Carmona pitched a gem against the team they need to beat for any hope of a postseason appearance: 7 ER in 1.1 IP.

    Was he a guy we were supposed to trade Montero and 3 other top prospects for? Or was that just Jimenez and his 5+ ERA since joining the Indians?

  177. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Managers are judged historically by results.

    When Girardi has managed for 29 years, for 4,329 games, has more than 2,326 wins, and has won 6 Pennants and 4 World Series championships come talk to me.

  178. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    “I am appalled at the treatment that Joe Girardi gets on this blog. This team is only in first place, over 30 games above .500, but if he doesn’t satisfy the spoiled brats that follow this team, he’s a bad manager whom his players do not like? Give me a freakin’ break.”

    Absolutely with you. On top of being good to his players and not playing favorites, the guy knows how to manage a bullpen. The guy is great – and bright – and kind. And has already managed the team to a world series win his second season in.

    He’s got my vote coming and going.

    ————————————————————————————————————————

    I’m shocked and apalled (and peter and mary) by people who are shocked and appalled)

  179. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    we don’t take kindly to people that take kindly ’round here! :-)

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    “People didn’t think this was a great team in April. In fact, certain Yankee fans predicted the Yankees will miss the playoffs and won’t even win 90 games.”

    Craw I said in April that the Yankees were more than a great team – they were the team to beat. :)

    I stand by that statement of course!

  181. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    feminista,

    i can’t watch the post game. i read the post-game recaps and never see Girardi citing a small sample size as to why he did something. usually when people accuse someone of something and they can’t back it up with any instance its proof they’re just tossing stuff against a wall and hoping it sticks.

  182. Benny Blanco September 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    redsox pouring it on blue jays.

  183. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    :roll:

    As if anyone respects its opinion or cares to talk to him anyway!

  184. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Trisha

    Did you do the win prediction thing this year? I don’t remember.

  185. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    and im still waiting to hear who all these girardi haters want to be managing the yankees…

  186. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Pete Rose gets punked by Sasha Baron Cohen as “Bruno”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZapdwATUqY

  187. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    “redsox pouring it on blue jays.”

    Let them. Let them use up a lot of runs tonight and run themselves into the ground.

  188. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
    It’s amazing how unhealthy Pete Rose looks these days. The guy looks like he eats Oscar Meyer’s all day and drinks nothing but Mountain Dew. I’d hate to have to share a stall next to him in a public restroom.

    Now if Jeter wants to hang around for 6 years beyond this heyday and hit .250 – .260 I’m all for it if that’s what it takes to dethrone Rose as the all-time hits leader.

    I’m getting exciting for Mo to oust Hoffman!

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    just pray that you don’t become one of those health food freaks that choke to death on a granola bar.

  189. DocTodd September 6th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Trisha…good point, now maybe some of the better Jays pitchers can beat a non-Lester Sox pitcher..

  190. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    waka, being that I am a supporter of Girardi, I don’t hope anything sticks.

  191. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    LGY – I did do the prediction thing. I am without my laptop but might be able to download it from my remote backup. I will post it as soon as I have it.

  192. Crawdaddy September 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Trisha,

    I wasn’t talking about you. As the doom and gloom patrol were making their predictions prior to this season.

  193. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    WCYF,

    its pretty hard to screw up the situation that Torre walked into in 1996. he wasn’t anything special. his tenure before and after his NYY run proves that. people give him a pass (and rightfully so to an extent) because hes a good guy with a great personality.

  194. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Morrow has been putrid vs, the Sux. I’d love to see him have a good game tomorrow.

  195. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    WCYF – Torre doesn’t even rank in the top40 in win %, a much more useful stat for managers. Mr. Girardi happens to be 15th all time right now…

    Being handed the most expensive team in baseball and “not messing it up” isn’t exactly deserving of great praise… let’s not forget who won those championships.

    It wasn’t the stoic guy in the dugout ruining relievers on a yearly basis and being out-managed in the playoffs 7 straight seasons.

  196. tomingeorgia September 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Wacka,
    And he was a hell of a player, though.

  197. Crawdaddy September 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Looks like the Angels will have their big three lineup for the Yankees this weekend.

  198. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    WCYF,

    its pretty hard to screw up the situation that Torre walked into in 1996. he wasn’t anything special. his tenure before and after his NYY run proves that. people give him a pass (and rightfully so to an extent) because hes a good guy with a great personality.

    *********

    I could not disagree more and Jeter, Pettitte, Mo and Posada would agree with me not you.

  199. igotid88 September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    the rain is worse today than during the hurricane

  200. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    WCYF – Torre doesn’t even rank in the top40 in win %, a much more useful stat for managers. Mr. Girardi happens to be 15th all time right now…

    ************

    I must have missed the “win %” banners hanging in Yankee Stadium.

  201. MTU September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    The stadium looks completely flooded.

    Looks like Lake Erie.

  202. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Granola is actually packed with gluten and inflammatory omega-6 fats not to mention refined carbohydrates in many cases.

    It’s the furthest thing from a health food so…I’m guessing you won’t get your wish, turd.

  203. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Window to play is between 11PM and 1AM?

  204. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Granola is actually packed with gluten and inflammatory omega-6 fats not to mention refined carbohydrates in many cases.

    It’s the furthest thing from a health food so…I’m guessing you won’t get your wish, turd.

    ************

    I enjoy reading your posts on nutrition, you are very knowledgeable. As a passionate cook I am interested in healthier alternatives from time to time.

  205. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Whatever you say, Euell Gibbons. Enjoy your pine cone nuts.

  206. MTU September 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Have a good night folks.

    If they play this game they better hand out flippers and masks instead of bats and gloves.

    They should also watch twenty thousand leagues under the sea before game time.

    See you tomorrow.

  207. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Granola is wanna-be health food for obese vegans and uneducated soccer moms.

  208. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    If they play a ball game and there’s no one there to watch it, does it count???

    11 and 1 am? Okay…. lol

  209. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    GB, did you see the SI Yankee videos of Mason. Culver, Austin, Gumbs, etc. that Ashmore posted?: http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....ees-video/

  210. m September 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Looking at the radar, I see nothing but a band of yellow and green.

    The fact that they have not postponed this game tells you they really want to get it in.

    The fact that MLB will decide when this game will be played tells me that they’re worried about the fact that the Yankees really want to get this game played.

  211. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    be careful the granola freaks will track you down and throw red paint on you.

  212. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Villa, guess we are going to be on West Coast time a little earlier in the week than anticipated. Too bad we have a day game tomorrow.

  213. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    It’s not possible to talk about the misinformation out there concerning granola without insulting people?

  214. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Granola is wanna-be health food for obese vegans and uneducated soccer moms.

    ***********

    The concept has merit. You can do healthy. Rolled oats, cinnamon, little bit of honey, walnuts, unsweetened dried cranberries, sunflower seeds. What do you think?

  215. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    YankeeFem,

    No I haven’t, but, thanks for the link. I’ll kill some time tonight looking it over, between war flix.

  216. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Much prefer they rain the darn thing out, even though there is no time to make it up. I can’t imagine hanging around a stadium all day long, waiting out a 4 hour rain delay and playing a game while most of the east coast is thinking about sleeping (at least) is good for anyone. I seriously wouldn’t want the regular starter going.

    I hate west coast games!!!! LOL

  217. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    WCYF,

    of course they would. that doesn’t make them right. he was their manager their entire career and is also a personal friend. facts are facts though. Torre was about a .500 manager in every other stop other then New York.

  218. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    GB, you’re welcome. Looks like with rain all week, NY Penn league may have a tough time getting games in.

  219. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    WCYF – So him being an under .500 manager before being handed the best team in baseball doesn’t send any bells off in your head?

    Torre won manager of the year with 2 of the best teams ever assembled.

    Girardi won Manager of the Year with the 78 win Marlins.

    No one cares what Jeter and Pettitte think, everyone knows they worship the ground he walks on. Ask Scott Proctor and Phil Quantril how much they like Torre.

    I just fail to remember ever thinking “boy, Torre really made a good decision there”.

  220. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Granola is actually packed with gluten and inflammatory omega-6 fats not to mention refined carbohydrates in many cases.

    It’s the furthest thing from a health food so…I’m guessing you won’t get your wish, turd.

    ************

    I enjoy reading your posts on nutrition, you are very knowledgeable. As a passionate cook I am interested in healthier alternatives from time to time.

    *******

    Thank you for the encouragement! I only ask that you make sure GB is around whenever you want to launch into a discussion on the merits of foods. GB loves to hear me freestyle on nutrition in between gulps of high fructose corn syrup derived from genetically modified corn crop that leaves one helluva carbon imprint and whose production is funded by subsidy money pretty much stolen from the taxpayers through the huge agribusiness conglomerates who run the USDA and tell GB what’s OK and not OK to eat.

    It’s the Uncle Sam Diet.

    It’s new.

    It’ll catch on…like cancer.

  221. blake September 6th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    JackCurryYES 35 mins Montero is busy during rain delay. He’s having rigorous session w Julio Mosquera, org’s catching instructor. Next? Hitting session w Long

    Love it.

  222. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    m September 6th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    Looking at the radar, I see nothing but a band of yellow and green.

    The fact that they have not postponed this game tells you they really want to get it in.

    The fact that MLB will decide when this game will be played tells me that they’re worried about the fact that the Yankees really want to get this game played.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    So, M, you hate tellow and green? Too much hatred on here. Learn tolerance and have love in your heart…like me.

  223. m September 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    In the interest of fairness, you can’t just mention Proctor and Quantril.

    The list of people who might not say glowing things about Torre is longer than the perimeter of his inner circle.

    Torre was a good man, be he wasn’t always a fair one.

  224. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Villa, Hughes didn’t fare so well in his last rain delay. So, hope if we play late it doesn’t adversely affect him. Not a fan of another DH; however, if they rain it out at least we have the expanded roster to fill in with.

  225. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    blake :)

  226. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    “its pretty hard to screw up the situation that Torre walked into in 1996. he wasn’t anything special. his tenure before and after his NYY run proves that. people give him a pass (and rightfully so to an extent) because hes a good guy with a great personality.”

    I agree with the first part. I don’t know how good a guy he is if he blackballed players he didn’t like, played favorites, and wrote a disguting expose because of his bitterness at not being given the $tars and the moon for delivering crap for 7 straight years. I think he’s a nasty man, someone you don’t cross. But I think he puts on a hell of an act.

    I also find it amazing that you would have to explain to anyone his record prior to joining the Yankees as well as after leaving them. That’s a huge DUH!

    Girardi won a world series his second season as a manager. That speaks volumes.

  227. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    You are all entitled to your opinion. I think Joe Torre was one of the greatest Yankees ever to put on a uniform, the epitome of class, uniquely capable of handling and motivating a locker room of huge egos, and the only manager who was able to deal with Steinbrenner successfully for so long.

    As a Yankee fan, 6 pennants and 4 world championships says it all.

  228. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
    Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Granola is wanna-be health food for obese vegans and uneducated soccer moms.

    ***********

    The concept has merit. You can do healthy. Rolled oats, cinnamon, little bit of honey, walnuts, unsweetened dried cranberries, sunflower seeds. What do you think?

    ***********

    Most of the oat crop is cross-contaminated with gluten. But if you can get your hands on gluten-free oats, that sounds just dandy. Although I would substitute a pecans for walnuts since they have higher healthy fats (monounsaturated) and lower inflammatory fats (omega-6). Plus pecans taste better and they’re a perfect compliment to honey. I’m a huge fan of local, raw honey. The small doses of plant particles/residue in the honey prepares the immune system for airborne pollens and may reduce allergies. Although I would personally avoid fructose from fruits and honey if most of my fuel is carb-based rather than ketogenic (fat based).

  229. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    m -I’m sure Sheffield and Wells would have more colorful things to say, but I was trying to stick with more obvious things affecting the ball club on the field.

  230. jacksquat September 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
    still waiting for some instances of Girardi using a small sample size to make a decision. predictably none are being thrown out there.

    There have been numerous occassions during postgames where answering why he went with one guy over another for example he’d say he has gone 3 for 8 against him, stuff like that. No, I cannot link to a video or text archive of Joe Girardi’s postgames.

  231. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
    GB, you’re welcome. Looks like with rain all week, NY Penn league may have a tough time getting games in.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Where’s that Traveler’s Insurance guy with all of the giant umbrellas when we need them?

  232. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Bret thanks – really good info.

  233. PittsburghYankeeFan September 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    West Coast: remember when Joe T was called “Clueless Joe” in 1996 when they hired him? A losing record as a manager, fired from two clubs? Miller Huggins he wasn’t. Yes, he managed the Yankees egos, and George’s ego, as well as anyone. Without Zim for strategy and BP management, his weaknesses became apparent. Sure, he deserves the HOF for a lot of reasons, but Joe G over the long term may be better. You’re just being contrary for the heck of it, and you know better.

    Rain: call the darn game already, and play a doubleheader tomorrow.

    Beckett: very bad. Not the best of guys to recover quickly from injury in any event, but this sounds like a high ankle sprain–several weeks, then he has to get back up to speed. I almost want to call a guy in Vegas to bet a line on the Rays as the WC–almost, but not quite.

  234. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    m -I’m sure Sheffield and Wells would have more colorful things to say, but I was trying to stick with more obvious things affecting the ball club on the field.

    ***********

    Hmmm. Tough call. Wells and Sheffield . . . or Jeter, Mo, Posada and Pettitte.

  235. Villa Nova-Ya September 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Yes, indeed. Problem is this weather doesn’t look promising for the whole week, does it?

    DH is definitely preferable to trying to play a game in the wee hours of the morning, though.

  236. RMS September 6th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    trisha

    Weren’t you the poster who said the RS were dead after their awful start this year?

    And I see you are still showing Torre plenty of love. Who is next, Posada?

  237. jacksquat September 6th, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
    You are all entitled to your opinion. I think Joe Torre was one of the greatest Yankees ever to put on a uniform, the epitome of class, uniquely capable of handling and motivating a locker room of huge egos, and the only manager who was able to deal with Steinbrenner successfully for so long.

    As a Yankee fan, 6 pennants and 4 world championships says it all.

    Are you sure it doesn’t mean a parakeet wound up with a group of great players? As I recall Joe had a losing record as a manager before he came to the Yankees. Did he suddenly have an epiphany?

  238. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    “In the interest of fairness, you can’t just mention Proctor and Quantril.

    The list of people who might not say glowing things about Torre is longer than the perimeter of his inner circle.”

    Yup.

    ****

    Bret I don’t know whether you saw all of my posts back to you the other day.

    I am not around for a lot of the back and forth on this board but I will say it disappoints me that you would not be a friend of GB but would be interacting with the freak puppet master. It gives me at least a little pause.

    Just sayin’…

  239. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    It’s people’s food beliefs not the food itself that makes them fat or sick.

    But onto the Yanks. I wonder if they will start that late. I guess the SI playoff game was rained out, though I haven’t checked it. It would be cool if they could win their championship, too. They are a young team for that league, just like the GCL team was.

    Bichette has a chance for a second league title in the same year.

  240. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    PittsburghYankeeFan September 6th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    West Coast: remember when Joe T was called “Clueless Joe” in 1996 when they hired him? A losing record as a manager, fired from two clubs? Miller Huggins he wasn’t. Yes, he managed the Yankees egos, and George’s ego, as well as anyone. Without Zim for strategy and BP management, his weaknesses became apparent. Sure, he deserves the HOF for a lot of reasons, but Joe G over the long term may be better. You’re just being contrary for the heck of it, and you know better.

    *******************

    No I am not Pittsburgh, I have always liked Joe Torre. I had the good fortune to meet him personally at a number of charity events in Los Angeles and that only served to solidify my opinion about him. What a class act.

    And are you telling me that good managers don’t get fired? And that bad teams don’t matter?

  241. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    still waiting for some instances of Girardi using a small sample size to make a decision. predictably none are being thrown out there.
    ==============

    The most notable one that comes to my mind is pitching Burnett in game 5 of the World Series because “he had a good record on short rest’. As I recall, Burnett maybe 4 or 5 starts on short rest…

    You can quibble about whether or not throwing Burnett in game 5 was a good move or a bad move (I’m not interested in arguing about it; I’m just giving you a good example of his misuse of small sample stats). However, citing Burnett’s record on games with short rest was a rotten use of statistics.

    I’m a little too tired (and lazy) to go looking for examples, so please don’t ask! :)

  242. blake September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    If Beckett misses 3-4 starts that’ll be rough on the ole Sox……their pen will get shredded.

  243. Yank1 September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Torre was 2 different managers – the one from 96-01 and the one from 02-07. Can’t keep lumping them together and throwing out the achievements over “15″ years.

    If anyone could win with Girardi’s teams, anyone could have won with Torre’s too.

  244. m September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Girardi would rather cite stats than come out and say, “So and so looks lost at the plate.” or “So and so can’t bat from the right side anymore” or “so and so…”

    So, at the risk of looking silly at times, he mainly wants to avoid throwing his players under the bus.

    Which makes him a great manager to play for.

  245. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    WCYF – You know that post sums you up perfectly, in almost every argument. Contrary opinions are completely disregarded in your nutshell, and you only listen to those who paint you a rosy picture.

    “Clueless Joe” (thank you PittsburghYankeeFan i totally forgot about that) didn’t get that nickname by accident, and only started winning with the Yankees and all the talent that brought with it.

    Would you be willing to tell me that without Torre, those teams as assembled would not have won world series?

    What about the 7 years of getting out-managed and outplayed by inferior teams in the playoffs?

    You can hold onto the late 90′s until you are blue in the face. The Yankee world did not being or end there.

  246. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    That’s just too bad isn’t it Trishy. How your campaign going by the way? Another abysmal failure? ;)

  247. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    “Weren’t you the poster who said the RS were dead after their awful start this year?”

    WRONG. I said they were dead before the season even started. Get it right. And I still say they’re dead.

  248. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Without Ruth, Gehrig, Shocker, Combs, Pennock, Meusel. Pipgras, Hoyt and the others, nobody would have ever heard of Miller Huggins.

  249. m September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    One thing that Girardi can improve on, though, is knowing when to take a starter out.

    Torre might have blown out relievers, but it’s because he wanted to prevent the big innings.

  250. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    I think Torre was the 5th best Yankee Manager. I think he did benefit from kismet in the first several years, then couldn’t or refused to manage the new players that were brought in starting with either Mussina or Giambi, but certainly including ARod and Sheff. And I think he was responsible for the game 7 loss in 2001.

    The top 4 are Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel, Miller Huggins and Billy Martin.

  251. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    What a class act.

    The same “class act” that wrote a tell all when he didn’t get what he wanted and publicly stated he would like Jerry Manuel’s job.

    The class is all an act, and you ate it up.

  252. blake September 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Phil,

    Have you have a chance to see Dante play much? If so what are your impressions…..legit bat?

  253. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    FREAK minus sock puppet and yes man.

  254. blake September 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I think Girardi can improve upon taking AJ out sooner….

  255. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    “The same “class act” that wrote a tell all when he didn’t get what he wanted and publicly stated he would like Jerry Manuel’s job.

    The class is all an act, and you ate it up.”

    That would be a bingo.

  256. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Torre spent time in the dugout gambling instead of focusing on the game.

    At least Girardi can be bothered with actually doing his job.

  257. Yank1 September 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Class acts don’t like tell-all books while they are still managing while taking shots at active players.

    or bat your best player 8th in an elimination game.

    Let’s call it for what it was – he was classy towards people or in situations that benefited him. He was a selective classy person. Girardi, on the other hand, defends all his players. AJ is defended as much as Rivera.

  258. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    As I said, anyone who wants to believe that Joe Torre was not one of the greatest managers in Yankee history is entitled to their opinion. People can believe anything they want to.

    I have the right to believe what I want to. And I respect, admire and applaud Torre. And as a Yankee fan who lived through those championship years I am extremely grateful to him for managing those teams the way he did and for playing an instrumental role in bringing those championships to NY.

  259. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Don’t bother having the conversation if you aren’t interested in it.

  260. Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    I agree that Torre tenure seems like 2 separate eras from ’96-’01 and then from ’02-’07. He had some great teams but it also was not an easy task to manage some of the egos in that room. I think Torre was a slightly above average baseball strategist and was an exceptional players manager who helped teams come together. That combination served him well. What soured me on Torre was his book. He owes the Yankees a ton. He had a very good playing career but his managerial career was dead in the water before Mr. Steinbrenner gave him a chance. To go out and blast the organization because they didn’t extend the contract you wanted was an uncharacteristically idiot move by a guy who seems generally very classy. That big will always slightly tarnish my opinion of him regardless of what he says from here on out. He sold out the people who helped him get to the top.

  261. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    So go ahead! Dislike Joe Torre! Be my guest.

  262. m September 6th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Torre was larger than life when he was with the Yankees. Almost like a godfather persona.

    Hank was brutally correct in his assessment that Torre benefited a lot from the Yankees.

  263. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Yank1 September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Torre was 2 different managers – the one from 96-01 and the one from 02-07. Can’t keep lumping them together and throwing out the achievements over “15? years.

    If anyone could win with Girardi’s teams, anyone could have won with Torre’s too.
    ===========

    Bojo had an interesting (and plausible in my view) that the split in the Torre years can be attributed to the departure of Zimmer. Torre was without a doubt, a genius at handling the NY media and the old man. This allowed him to keep his teams focused on winning. However, as an in-gme manager, he wasn’t very good, and his shortcomings were exposed when he no longer could lean on Zimmer for counsel on game strategy.

  264. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    WCYF – I’m curious. Do you come here to “tell” people your opinion, or improve it through conversation?

  265. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    blake,

    I’ve seen tape, but nothing live. He has, in my opinion, a Yankee Bat and big power. He also takes his walks. In other words, I love him, and am very excited about his future.

    On top of that, the kid is a leader. When Ravel Santana got hurt, he took a bunch of the guys over to the hospital to visit Ravel. Also, after the Yanks drafted one of his friends on the second or third day of the draft, he called the kid and urged him to sign. I don’t remember who it was, but I think this may be a future Captain of the Yankees.

  266. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Trisha,

    My read on WCYF might be different from yours, that’s all. We all view the world through different lens. In my eyes, he’s a knowledgeable baseball fan and an effective communicator when the topic is focused on baseball. I have ignored the infamous personal exchanges between WCYF and other posters so maybe that’s why I have a different perception of the value of his baseball smarts. I would say that he could be less combative by making a significant effort to ignore others when they become combative and confrontational. That’s my only critique of him.

    If you set up a ghost/phony email, I will send you the YouTube I made when I first arrived at school here so you can see that I’m fan-friendly and my intentions are good.

  267. Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    I have a feeling that organizations around baseball are starting to fear what the Yankees are becoming. They still have the checkbook to compete with anybody but the minor league system is finally reaching Cashman’s vision. Montero is just a start. The Yankees are going to be able to fill premium positions like catcher and rotation spots with cheap, talented youngsters produced by their system. This is going to make them deadly in free agency because they can lock down on 1 guy to fill a hole and spend money on him.

  268. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    m September 6th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Girardi would rather cite stats than come out and say, “So and so looks lost at the plate.” or “So and so can’t bat from the right side anymore” or “so and so…”

    So, at the risk of looking silly at times, he mainly wants to avoid throwing his players under the bus.

    Which makes him a great manager to play for.
    =========

    Yes and no. I would rather see him managing by feel and using his gut, than spouting specious statistics and kidding himself that his decision-making has some kind of scientific basis.

    However, I really admire his loyalty to his players. I find his loyalty and his ability to piece together bullpens to be among his best traits as a manager.

  269. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    “Girardi, on the other hand, defends all his players. AJ is defended as much as Rivera.”

    You have to appreciate the integrity and evenhandedness the guys has. I can’t get enough of him. I guess I love his character traits as much as his managing.

  270. blake September 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Phil,

    Wow….high praise…..awesome.

  271. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    WCYF – I’m curious. Do you come here to “tell” people your opinion, or improve it through conversation?

    ************

    I have learned a great deal from posters here. But I am not wont to jump on a band wagon I don’t believe in. I have debated in excruciating detail Joe Torre’s managerial skills as I see them here over and over in the past and just don’t want to repeat that all over again. As an example, I spent a long time one day debating 2007 and why I think Torre did a great job that year. How many times can one engage in the same discussion?

  272. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Most of the good will Torre had with Yankee fans was lost with that book. People with the Yankees knew that book was coming and many knew what would be in it. You don’t think that didn’t play a part in the contract negotiations to renew him? That parts about GMS’s slipping physical and mental conditions certainly had a lot to do with Torre not being part of the old YS and new YS opening and closing ceremonies.

  273. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    WCYF – It just seems that you’ve never conceded a point in your time here. You take the ball and go home, so to speak… almost every time… in the face of any evidence.

  274. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    my biggest beef with Torre (outside of his bullpen management) was that he felt like he was above reproach. questioning him on anything was blasphemy.

  275. Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    Most of the good will Torre had with Yankee fans was lost with that book. People with the Yankees knew that book was coming and many knew what would be in it. You don’t think that didn’t play a part in the contract negotiations to renew him? That parts about GMS’s slipping physical and mental conditions certainly had a lot to do with Torre not being part of the old YS and new YS opening and closing ceremonies.
    ———————————–

    It certainly did for me. He sold out the franchise that made him as important in the game as he is now to boost his own checking account. He can act as friendly as he wants at Old Timer’s Day for the next 20 years but my respect for him has gone down.

  276. JobaTipsHisCap September 6th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    like I said, NYC weather stinks.

  277. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    jobatipshiscap – You’re finally right about something!

  278. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Most of the good will Torre had with Yankee fans was lost with that book.
    =================

    This really cuts to the crux of it. Torre did a terrific job as a manager for the Yanks. By all rights he should be beloved by Yankee fans everywhere, but he frittered away alot of that goodwill with the book. It wasn’t cool to write a tell-all. Even I don’t feel as kindly disposed tpwards him as I once did.

  279. blake September 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Tyler,

    I agree…..and I think that’s Cash’s vision.

  280. m September 6th, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    I just meant that he’d rather spout some SSS than say the real reason which is “so and so” is pretty much finished. Not that SSS was the reason for the decision, it was a cover.

    I think people need to take what Girardi (or any manager, they all do it) says with a grain of salt.

    But people will continue to indict the man based on what he’s giving the reporters. Even though it’s deflection for the most part.

  281. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Torre did a great job in 2007.

    He probably cost them the ALDS by taking a nap during the midge game!

  282. PittsburghYankeeFan September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    West Coast: point taken.

    Joe T sounds like a genuinely good guy, although his book didn’t win him any points. Yes, he is one of the Yankee great managers, who did lose a little bit of juice when he lost Don Zimmer. I’ll be curious to see if Joe G sticks around long enough to get Joe T’s kind of record.

    2004 will always haunt this generation of Yankee fans, and Joe T was a part of that ALCS debacle. A debate for the ages is how much he was to blame. That and the book tarnish him a bit (as a manager, not as a person) in my (meaningless) opinion.

  283. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Tyler,

    Torre always preached the old “What happens in the clubhouse, stays…etc”. He meant that for others…not him. I’m sure that a lot of Dodger players stepped lightly and uncomfortably around him after that book. They are going to be in the next installment.

  284. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    It really sucks for the ticketholders that the Yanks are going to try to force in this game so late. I hope that they give out rain checks.

  285. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    WCYF – It just seems that you’ve never conceded a point in your time here. You take the ball and go home, so to speak… almost every time… in the face of any evidence.

    *************

    You are wrong. Like everyone here I miss things and say so when I do. I have said Gardner has surprised me by playing better than I thought he was capable of, I was not sold on Granderson at first, I liked the Vazquez deal originally, etc.

  286. JimK September 6th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Is it me or does it seem that Hughes is almost always the SP during games with long rain delays?

  287. syd_cash September 6th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    OMG so is there gonna be a game or what??

  288. Irreverent Discourse September 6th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Let’s not pretend that Girardi doesn’t play the same games with the media Torre did. Nothing they say pre/post game to the media should be taken too seriously… Girardi did watch Torre do it for 4 years. Catchers are generally very close to their managers, which is why they often become one.

  289. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    “Most of the good will Torre had with Yankee fans was lost with that book. People with the Yankees knew that book was coming and many knew what would be in it. You don’t think that didn’t play a part in the contract negotiations to renew him?”

    Wait a minute here. The book was written after he left the Yankees, not before contract negotiations!

  290. Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    GB-

    I really can’t see him writing another one because I think most of the feedback was pretty negative but it definitely hurt his reputation as a players manager. That was probably his greatest asset and he really sold out some guys. I’m sure he’s pretty happy he got out of LA when he did with the mess going on there now anyway… He sure seemed to have exceptional timing.

  291. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Torre did a great job in 2007. He probably cost them the ALDS by taking a nap during the midge game!

    ***********

    Typical. The Yankees were 15 games out of first place in May if I recall correctly weren’t they? And Torre gets no credit for what happened after that? For not giving up, for motivating his team, for making them believe they were not out of it? With Small and Chacon to boot.

  292. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    blake,

    And he may not turn out to be the best hitter we drafted this year! Duran, Bird, Jones and Cave can all really rake, and may also have Yankee Bats. Cave went off in a college league (he was a prep) while waiting to see if the Yanks would sign him.

    Starting with Slade and Murphy at the top of the `09 draft, they have really been refining their approach to finding prep hitters.

    They seemed to get away from it a bit after the Poterson misfire back in `04, and the CJ Henry misfire in `05. Then the Angelini mistake. But now they are really finding his that can actually hit, instead of signing kids who they saw hit in bp or hope will hit.

    You might recall in the mid to late `90s when they were drafting lots of football players and hoping they would hit.

  293. Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Torre admitted that the midge game was probably one of his biggest regrets. He made a mistake but he realizes that.

  294. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    the book was written while he was with the Yankees and released afterwards. There was enough info floared out about it that made a lot of people unhappy….especially The Family.

  295. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    “Torre always preached the old “What happens in the clubhouse, stays…etc”. He meant that for others…not him. I’m sure that a lot of Dodger players stepped lightly and uncomfortably around him after that book. They are going to be in the next installment.”

    Absolutely GB. I thought the same thing when he went to manage there. It had to be awful for the guys.

    Pittsburgh – a genuinely good guy would not have done what Torre did to Jeff Nelson, nor to Mike Stanton. Or David Wells. Because Nellie complained to the press about relievers not going to the All Star Game, Nellie was not offered a competitive contract the next season. Torre put his own ego above the good of the team. I always tracked the beginning of the dominoes falling to the departure of Jeff Nelson. What better tandem was there to get to Mariano than Nellie and Mike Stanton? The guy is an abosolute crum – unless of course he liked the players involved and they genuflected in his presence. Not the saint people held him out as. Hardly.

  296. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Torre admitted that the midge game was probably one of his biggest regrets. He made a mistake but he realizes that.

    ****************

    Yes he did. He said that was a major regret of his. Every manager makes mistakes. Lots of great managers have been fired.

  297. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Tyler September 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
    GB-

    I really can’t see him writing another one because I think most of the feedback was pretty negative but it definitely hurt his reputation as a players manager. That was probably his greatest asset and he really sold out some guys. I’m sure he’s pretty happy he got out of LA when he did with the mess going on there now anyway… He sure seemed to have exceptional timing.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    He’s writing a book right now…”how I Sucked Up To Bud Selig To Get A Ticket Into The HOF”.

  298. luis September 6th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Hi everyone,

    It really sucks when you don’t have a baseball game to watch, on to the subject:

    I agree with ghost that probably Torre benefited of having Zimmer as his bench coach, you can clearly see the diferent results before and after Zim….He handled the boss and the media very well, but i agree with some posters here that he is a phony…..The book was the worst thing he could have ever do and tells you clearly the type of character traits he has….At the end he fealt entitled, and that arrogance was the reason that he had to be removed.

    Girardi, on the other hand makes a lot of in game decisions that i may not agree with….but he handles players very well, he has learned to deal with the media as good as Torre did….And has embrace the youth movement….so i have to say that i am on Girardi’s side, and after everything is said and done he is going to be one of the best managers in yankee history, because he learns from his mistakes. JMHO

  299. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Very few great managers would have gotten less out of teams that were as stacked as the `01-`07 than Torre did.

  300. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Trisha,

    Set up a Yahoo and I’ll send you that YouTube. You said you wanted to see the scenery where I live. It will blow your mind.

  301. muddyduck September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Is there a precedent for a game being started as late as 11pm? What is the latest start time that you can recall?

  302. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    what does Torre have to do with Small and Chacon? that wasn’t 2007 either, it was 2005.

  303. m September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Crawford was the first player to get subbed out in a 13-0 blowout. In the interest of getting him off the turf? :P

  304. tom tresh 15 September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    The top 4 are Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel, Miller Huggins and Billy Martin.
    ***********************************************************************
    Ask Al Leiter about Billy Martin. Martin was a good baseball mind but his weakness was handling pitchers

  305. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    If ever there was a player/league official that deserved to be in the HOf for what he did to advance baseball…it’s Bill White.

  306. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    The tell-all book…

    Was any of it lies?

    The answer is no.

    If you can’t appreciate truth, the least you can do is tolerate it. Lying is a different story. Joe Torre is not a liar.

  307. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    what does Torre have to do with Small and Chacon? that wasn’t 2007 either, it was 2005.

    ************

    You’re right, 2005.

  308. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Typical. The Yankees were 15 games out of first place in May if I recall correctly weren’t they? And Torre gets no credit for what happened after that? For not giving up, for motivating his team, for making them believe they were not out of it? With Small and Chacon to boot.

    ———————-

    Torre gets no blame for the team being in a 15 game hole? For not preparing or motivating his team properly coming out of the gate?

    How many times have you said that a manager gets evaluated on end of the season results? As in playoff results.

    The team got bounced in the first round and he was a primary reason why. If this was Joe Girardi you would describe that season as a massive failure.

  309. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Tom Tresh.

    I know he was bad with pitchers, but of the greatest Yankee Managers, he and Stengel were the best game managers.

    And it was Dallas Green who screwed up Al Leiter, not Billy.

  310. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Torre did a great job in 2007. He probably cost them the ALDS by taking a nap during the midge game!

    ***********

    Typical. The Yankees were 15 games out of first place in May if I recall correctly weren’t they? And Torre gets no credit for what happened after that? For not giving up, for motivating his team, for making them believe they were not out of it? With Small and Chacon to boot.

    ===========

    Small and Chacon??? LOL! This is pretty disingenuous. That team scored nearly a 1,000 runs and was stacked, even if the pitching was a bit shaky. Even so, they had Wang, Clemens, Pettitte, and Mussina making 108 starts between them.

  311. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    “Torre admitted that the midge game was probably one of his biggest regrets. He made a mistake but he realizes that.”

    A fat lot of good that does.

    GB, I do not think that book was even thought of until after he left the Yankees. I will certainly try to find evidence to the opposite, but the book was his revenge for not being brought back.

    The Yankee organization was in a perfect position not to offer him a contract and not have any hew and cry because he had no cachet left whatsoever at that point. So I will never believe they didn’t want him back. I believe they wanted him to prove himself and he refused to do it. I had no trouble with him being asked to accept an incentive-laden contract. TO ME, a class act would have taken it and said he understood what he was being asked to prove himself once again and he welcomed the opportunity. But the guy believed his own press. I also think it was deplorable that he called a press conference at his home in order to disparage the organization.

    GOOD FLIPPIN’ RIDDANCE. You are absolutely right. He destroyed his good will with that book. What a rotten thing to have done to so many innocent guys who believed in the sanctity of the clubhouse and played by the rules that he wrote for everyone but himself.

  312. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    The Torre bashing is reminiscent of the Jeter hatred that went on here last winter as well. It’s astounding to me.

  313. muddyduck September 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    BloggingBombers So, @BryanHoch just asked me the following: “If there was a TV show called ‘The Bartolo Colon Sandwich Hour,’ would you watch?” Thoughts?

    Must admit, this made me laugh and mostly because I could only answer an emphatic ‘YES!’.

  314. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Torre always preached the old “What happens in the clubhouse, stays…etc”. He meant that for others…not him. I’m sure that a lot of Dodger players stepped lightly and uncomfortably around him after that book. They are going to be in the next installment.

    ——————–

    I’ve read a few reports that Kemp and Torre did not get along and some have speculated that one of the reasons Kemp has been so much better this year is that Torre is gone.

  315. blake September 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Phil,

    Yea it’s generally a lot safer to.go.with kids that have already shown they can play baseball

  316. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    No, Martin gets credit for those great, short lived Oakland staffs and Gil Patterson and trying to torpedo Guidry’s career..

  317. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    The Torre bashing is reminiscent of the Jeter hatred that went on here last winter as well. It’s astounding to me.

    ————————–

    Jeter is the single biggest contributor to the Yankee success in the past 15 years. Torre is not even in his universe of importance.

    And this comparison doesn’t even make sense. All the Jeter discussion was about 2010 and what kind of player he would be going forward. Torre is about what he did in the past.

  318. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Verducci was following Torre around that whole season to do the book. It didn’t come up after he was not fired but lowballed and had an illegal offer from the Dodgers in his back pocket so he could turn down the Yankee offer. He should have been fired in `03 or `04.

  319. m September 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    The Torre “bashing” (and really, this is mild compared to the aftermath of “The Torre Years”) is in response to what came out of the “parakeet” comment.

    People have come around to Girardi and upon reflection they like some of the things he does differently from what Torre did.

    Really hard to put the paste back in the tube on this one.

  320. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    blake,

    It’s amazing that it took them so long to figure it out.

  321. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    The next 3 years on Jeter’s contract look totally different now. It’s refreshing.

  322. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Torre wanted to trade Kemp for pretty much no reason while he was managing LA.

  323. joeman September 6th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    speaking of Torre …didn’t care much the way he handled the Bug game …

  324. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You want to know why his players revered him? As an example, Any Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. How many of you are aware of that?

  325. RMS September 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Torre wrote “that book.” I agree that he shouldn’t have written it. Cashman and others were offended. Torre was put on the “S” list. But Cashman got over it, Torre was invited back. Maybe it is time you should get over it too.
    Torre made some bad decisions as Mgr., but what Mgr. is perfect? I choose to remember the positives, apparently, some of you love to dwell on the negative and give Torre zero credit.

  326. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
    =====

    I left a post for you up the thread if you’re still interested to an answer to your question…

  327. m September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Remember how we were all yelling at Torre to pull the team off the field? Poor Joba. :(

  328. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You want to know why his players revered him? As an example, Any Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. How many of you are aware of that?
    =========

    If so, why did Pettitte stay after Torre left?

  329. joeman September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    m September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Remember how we were all yelling at Torre to pull the team off the field? Poor Joba.
    ————————-
    that was a brain fart

  330. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    LGY, how about being bounced in the first round by sitting the guys who got you there and putting in instead players who had been injured most of the season but demanded to be put in? I will always feel that the greatest humiliation was not 2004, despite the way it happened, because the Yankees were actually lucky to have gotten that far with the rotation problems they had all season and the September freak out of Kevin Brown. That year the Sux did not have one pitcher on the DL all season. The Yankees hardly had any off!

    The year that really sticks in my craw is the year that the Yankees were annointed Murderer’s Row and Cano, and that dipstick put Arod in the 8 hole and sat down the kids and allowed Sheffield to play despite Sheffield’s sitting out most of the season. That to me was the worst because it just didn’t have to be that way. Some manager.

  331. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You want to know why his players revered him? As an example, Any Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. How many of you are aware of that?
    =========

    If so, why did Pettitte stay after Torre left?

    ************

    What on earth does that have to do with the Brooklyn bridge. Maybe he liked making 13 million bucks.

  332. EA September 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    “You want to know why his players revered him? ”

    You mean the 4 or 5 players that he didn’t have a grudge against?

  333. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Cashman didn’t want to trade Andy either. it was all Steinbrenner who wanted to get rid of Pettitte.

  334. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Dallas Green is arguably the worst manager the Yanks have had in the last 35 years, or so. Even worse than Stump Merrill in my book.

  335. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    “Remember how we were all yelling at Torre to pull the team off the field? Poor Joba. :(

    Joba handled that with such class too, took all the blame later and said it was his responsibility to get the job done.

    :(

  336. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    You Pettitte fans would not have seen him here from 2000 on if it wasn’t for Torre. George wanted to get rid of him in the worst way, even going so far as to tell Cashman to deal him. Torre lobbied really hard and loudly against that and actually told teams personally who he knew were talking to Cashman about Pettitte, that they were not getting him.

  337. luis September 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Any news on the game, the phillies are playing

  338. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    You want to know why his players revered him? As an example, Any Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. How many of you are aware of that?

    —————

    This is hyperbole.

    Torre lobbied to keep Andy but he was far from the only one in the org to do so.

  339. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    You want to know why his players revered him? As an example, Any Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. How many of you are aware of that?
    =========

    If so, why did Pettitte stay after Torre left?

    ************

    What on earth does that have to do with the Brooklyn bridge. Maybe he liked making 13 million bucks.
    ================

    I’m sure that Pettitte liked making the money. However, you said that “Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre.” Clearly, this is incorrect, because he was a Yankee two years after Torre left.

  340. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    “You mean the 4 or 5 players that he didn’t have a grudge against?”

    :)

    I hate to say it, but that’s pretty close to the way it was.

  341. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    i meant to reply about it but it just slipped my mind. i don’t think playing someone for being 3 for 8 is that crazy. sometimes he just ‘likes what he sees’ (see: Posada vs Lester). this just doesn’t seem to be a common theme to me. if anything he micro manages too much (sticking with the Gardner/Jones platoon, the use of Logan, etc) for my liking.

  342. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Cashman didn’t want to trade Andy either. it was all Steinbrenner who wanted to get rid of Pettitte.

    ***********

    AS if Cashman had a choice when George told him to do something. Cashman went out and called teams to make a deal and it almost happened with the Phillies if Torre hadn’t thrown a fit.

  343. luis September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Guys,

    Petitte even went as far as to say that he wouldn’t play for any other team not name NY Yankees, and that statement was after Torre left.

  344. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    “I’m sure that Pettitte liked making the money. However, you said that “Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre.” Clearly, this is incorrect, because he was a Yankee two years after Torre left.”

    ***********

    I said after 1999. That is when he was almost dealt to the Phillies. It matters not what Pettitte did after Torre left years later that has nothing to do with it.

    “He has supported me through good times and bad,” Pettitte said. “They wanted to trade me and he stuck his neck out for me and that means a lot to me.” — Andy Pettitte

  345. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    His players revered him.

    Paul Quantrill
    Tanyon Sturtze
    Scott Proctor
    Jeff Nelson
    David Wells
    Mike Stanton
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Ramiro Mendoza
    Ross Grimsley
    Brian Bruney
    Kyle Farnsworth

    To name a few that really revered him.

    :roll:

  346. pkyankfan69 September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Apparently tonight is beatdown night by the contenders in the AL:

    Bos 13 – Tor 0

    Det 10 – Cle 1

    Tex 8 – TB 0

    Next Up:

    Yanks 13 – Balt – 2… Although the Yanks will probably try to get a nice lead early and then shut it down to make sure they get through 5 innings

  347. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    “At the July 31 trading deadline in 1999, Pettitte was a two-time world champion in a rut and George Steinbrenner and some of his lieutenants noticed. The Yankees explored trading Pettitte and got close to dealing him to the Phillies for a passel of prospects, among them pitcher Adam Eaton and outfielder Reggie Taylor, two former first-round draft picks.

    But after much 11th-hour deliberation – and impassioned pleas by then-manager Joe Torre, then-pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre and GM Brian Cashman – Steinbrenner kept Pettitte. However, he issued his standard warning, Cashman recalled, telling those in the organization who lobbied to keep Pettitte: “You better be right.”

    http://articles.nydailynews.co.....y-pettitte

  348. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    So he was good to his pets. BFD

  349. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    I wonder why they don’t just call the game – it’s awful out

  350. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    LGY – Thanks for corroborating everything I said about Pettitte and Torre in 1999.

  351. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Exactly what is this crap about not bunting in the game #6 thing, anyway? who on that team did people want bunting. The only two that were ever asked to bunt by a manager were jeter and Cairo. Jeter was 1-4 with an RBI and Cairo was 2-3 with two doubles. The team had 6 hits and 2 walks. Not exactly a ton of base runners. Clark and Sierra killed them with 6 strikeouts between them.

  352. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    WCYF,

    I know the trade you’re talking about. Cashman may have not had total control but he had a say. If he didn’t then George would have traded Soriano for Jim Edmonds and emptied the farm for Sammy Sosa.

  353. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    LGY – Thanks for corroborating everything I said about Pettitte and Torre in 1999.

    ——————

    What fantasy land do you live in?

    You said that Andy wouldn’t have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Torre. I pointed out that was hyperbole because there were other powerful voices in the org who shared the same opinion as Torre.

    I guess the next time you criticize Cashman I can pull the, “Andy Pettitte would not even have been a Yankee after 1999 if it wasn’t for Cashman. Are you aware of that?” card.

  354. Donna L September 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Billy Martin also ruined Catfish Hunter’s arm, having him throw 30 (30!) complete games in 1975. He was never close to the same pitcher again.

    The year I still hold against Torre was 2003. They should never have been in the position of losing the Series to Beckett in Game 6, not with the 2-1 lead they had over an inferior team. Jeff Weaver in extra innings in a tie game on the road, instead of Mariano? Please.

    As for 2007, they came back and got the wild card largely because Alex Rodriguez had a historically great year. Not because Torre was a genius.

  355. luis September 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    The article clearly states that the coaching staff and Cashman pleaded…it wasn’t only Torre

  356. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    His players revered him….

    To name a few that really revered him.

    :roll:
    =====

    It wasn’t his job to win popularioty contests. Still, I wonder how folks like Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte really feel about Torre. Are they just being stand-up guys in public? Does what Torre said in his tell-all book resonate with them? Do they feel betrayed like the others named in the book, or are they simply relieved that they weren’t singled out?

    My guess is that it will be along time before the truth comes out…

  357. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    I remember this clearly. Cashman was engaged in numerous talks with various GM’s about Pettitte. He was under orders by George to do so even after he told him he didn’t think it was a good idea. George said, do it. It was Torre who really put the pressure on George and even talked directly to other teams reps to tell them it was not going to happen.

    It was Torre. Show me the Pettitte quote about Cashman.

    “They wanted to trade me and he stuck his neck out for me and that means a lot to me.”
    – Andy Pettitte on Torre

  358. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Donna L September 6th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Billy Martin also ruined Catfish Hunter’s arm, having him throw 30 (30!) complete games in 1975. He was never close to the same pitcher again.

    The year I still hold against Torre was 2003. They should never have been in the position of losing the Series to Beckett in Game 6, not with the 2-1 lead they had over an inferior team. Jeff Weaver in extra innings in a tie game on the road, instead of Mariano? Please.

    As for 2007, they came back and got the wild card largely because Alex Rodriguez had a historically great year. Not because Torre was a genius.
    ===

    It’s tough to blame 2003 on Torre. After all, the Yanks were in position to win it, until Rivera blew the save. The Yanks got beat that year, by a couple of great pitchers at the peak of their powers. It happens. I don’t like it, but it happens.

  359. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Still, I wonder how folks like Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte really feel about Torre. Are they just being stand-up guys in public? Does what Torre said in his tell-all book resonate with them? Do they feel betrayed like the others named in the book, or are they simply relieved that they weren’t singled out? My guess is that it will be along time before the truth comes out.

    ************

    Right! The core 4 are all lying.

  360. rb from LI September 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Phil Hughes is this season’s Andy P. :-?

  361. tom tresh 15 September 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    One well known story about Martin and Leiter was Leiter was lifting weights one day. Martin asked what he was doing. Leiter replied he was working on arm strength. Martin told him to forget that, just do some long toss.

  362. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    LGY – Thanks for corroborating everything I said about Pettitte and Torre in 1999.
    ============

    BTW, this is precisely the behavior that ID was talking about earlier. Just concede the point, or falsify the point if you can.

  363. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    LGY – I don’t know why you even waste your time.

    ************

    As mel said, you can’t put the paste back in the tube. I wonder how Arod feels about St. Joe based on the disparaging comments he made about Arod in the book; or how Tom Gordon feels now that the world knows he was throwing up before he had to pitch in fenway field; or how Kevin Brown feels that the world knows he curled up in the fetal position on the clubhouse floor and cried? I wonder if they’ve forgiven the good guy for exposing those things, you know the things that happen in the clubhouse that stay in the clubhouse?

    I hurt for all of the people he humiliated in his mean-spirited payback against the Yankees. You don’t unring that bell and I don’t believe he deserves any forgiveness for his nasty nasty tome. All of the people he trashed have to live with that.

    On the other hand, lots of things go on in clubhouses all over the country, in every sport. Only one loser felt the need to write an expose while he was still part of the game. One.

  364. theREALkevin September 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Wow. They’re obviously going to try to play this game. If they were going to postpone it they already would have.

  365. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    So Anthony McCarron is lying that Mel and Cash made impassioned pleas to George to keep Andy?

    It was Cashman’s job to present George with the options. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t heavily influence George in the end.

  366. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Just because Andy never came out and individually thank everyone who kept him in NY doesn’t mean Torre was the lone reason he stayed. How come Andy left in 2004 for Houston if Torre had such an influence? The Yankees offered more money then Houston or Boston.

  367. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Still, I wonder how folks like Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte really feel about Torre. Are they just being stand-up guys in public? Does what Torre said in his tell-all book resonate with them? Do they feel betrayed like the others named in the book, or are they simply relieved that they weren’t singled out? My guess is that it will be along time before the truth comes out.

    ************

    Right! The core 4 are all lying.
    ======================

    Of course. Because everything that is written in a newspaper is unequivocally true.

  368. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Billy Martin’s biggest flaw was Art Fowler.

  369. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    I could really go for a Brontosaurus burger right about now, no bun of course, all burger.

  370. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    LGY – I don’t know why you even waste your time.

    ————————

    True.

    I’m going to walk the dog and stop wasting my time. Hopefully there will be Yankee baseball when I get back!

  371. Donna L September 6th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Ghostwriter: It’s tough to blame 2003 on Torre. After all, the Yanks were in position to win it, until Rivera blew the save. The Yanks got beat that year, by a couple of great pitchers at the peak of their powers. It happens. I don’t like it, but it happens.

    _____
    _____

    What save did Mo blow in 2003? He was great that year. Maybe you’re thinking of 2004? Torre’s mistake was *not* bringing in Mo in the bottom of the 12th in game 4 of the Series, and going with Weaver instead — all because of that stupid “rule” that you don’t bring in your closer in a tie game in extra innings on the road.

  372. GreenBeret7 September 6th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Unless the umps call this game. The last of the rain is over Cherry Hill and Lakewood, NJ and about a three hour window to follow. Doesn’t look like more than drizzle.

  373. syd_cash September 6th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    this is beyond ridiculous they shoulda called this game….

  374. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Still, I wonder how folks like Jeter, Posada, and Pettitte really feel about Torre. Are they just being stand-up guys in public? Does what Torre said in his tell-all book resonate with them? Do they feel betrayed like the others named in the book, or are they simply relieved that they weren’t singled out? My guess is that it will be along time before the truth comes out.

    ************

    Right! The core 4 are all lying.
    ======================

    Of course. Because everything that is written in a newspaper is unequivocally true.

    ************

    You are joking right? The quotes from the core 4 are all lies? Exact quotes from the players that were never denied and in fact repeated?

    You are a joke.

  375. waka flocka September 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    This is from The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty:

    “But Cashman, Torre, and Stottlemyre didn’t really want to deal Pettitte, and the day before the trading deadline, they implored Steinbrenner to hold off. We’ve got to hold on to our pitchig depth, Cashman argued; he believed Pettitte would come around before the start of the playoffs, but even if he didn’t, the Yankees still had time to insert Yarnall in the rotation by the end of the year.”

  376. BJK September 6th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I think it’s great that the Core Four loved Torre.

    I loved my 11th grade history teacher. Real cool guy, let us do whatever we wanted.

    I think I got a B+ that year.

    If you told me back then that I could have gotten an A if I traded my cool history teacher for a teacher that wasn’t as cool, I would decline. Still would probably.

  377. RMS September 6th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    I wonder how Arod feels about St. Joe based on the disparaging comments he made about Arod in the book; or how Tom Gordon feels now that the world knows he was throwing up before he had to pitch in fenway field; or how Kevin Brown feels that the world knows he curled up in the fetal position on the clubhouse floor and cried? I wonder if they’ve forgiven the good guy for exposing those things, you know the things that happen in the clubhouse that stay in the clubhouse?

    ————————————————————————————————
    These are grown men you are talking about. I’m sure they aren’t staying awake at night crying about it.

  378. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    LGY – Thanks for corroborating everything I said about Pettitte and Torre in 1999.
    ============

    BTW, this is precisely the behavior that ID was talking about earlier. Just concede the point, or falsify the point if you can.

    **************

    Behavior? LMAO! You mean me conclusively proving my point. And you not admitting it because you have an agenda.

  379. 4time September 6th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Ok, so 4 people like Torre. What about the rest of them?

  380. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I wonder how Arod feels about St. Joe based on the disparaging comments he made about Arod in the book; or how Tom Gordon feels now that the world knows he was throwing up before he had to pitch in fenway field; or how Kevin Brown feels that the world knows he curled up in the fetal position on the clubhouse floor and cried?

    ************

    God, I hope Kevin Brown is still curled up in the fetal position on account of Torre’s expose.

  381. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Like I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Liking someone is subjective not objective. So don’t like him.

    Winning 6 pennants and 4 world championships is objective and that is a fact.

  382. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Donna L September 6th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Ghostwriter: It’s tough to blame 2003 on Torre. After all, the Yanks were in position to win it, until Rivera blew the save. The Yanks got beat that year, by a couple of great pitchers at the peak of their powers. It happens. I don’t like it, but it happens.

    _____
    _____

    What save did Mo blow in 2003? He was great that year. Maybe you’re thinking of 2004? Torre’s mistake was *not* bringing in Mo in the bottom of the 12th in game 4 of the Series, and going with Weaver instead — all because of that stupid “rule” that you don’t bring in your closer in a tie game in extra innings on the road.
    =========

    Oh. I forgot all about ’03. against the Marlins!! I was thinking of Game 7 of the 2001 World Series against the D-Backs. Sorry! :oops:

    As I recall, I was okay with using Weaver in that spot. It was tied in extra frames on the road. Using Mo would have been premature.

    At any rate, the Yanks just got run over by a very hot club, and Wells quit on them. That was an ugly series, but I’m not sure what Torre could have done to have changed the outcome.

    For my part, I tend not to give the manager topo much credit when they win, nor too much blame when they lose.

  383. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Does Girardi just completely revamp the lineup and play as many callups as possible to limit the risk of injury?

    Smart move I think. Put Dickerson at SS if you have to. Probably still win anyways if Phil has his stuff

  384. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    fascinating look at the range of thought and emotion about joe torre. great reading on a rainy night….

    now lets whoop some black and orange butt between storm cells!

  385. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Did Torre’s Yankees ever miss the playoffs?

    Nope.

  386. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Like I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Liking someone is subjective not objective. So don’t like him.

    Winning 6 pennants and 4 world championships is objective and that is a fact.

    =============

    Writing a tell-all book that infuriates many fans and poison good will also is objective and is a fact.

  387. m September 6th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    You’ll never hear the core say a word against Torre, and vice versa.

    Was Pettitte answering a question about Torre? Just because he only said Torre, doesn’t mean others didn’t lend their voice of reason. It could have been the total effort that finally got through, even though Torre’s was the most prominent.

  388. BTX September 6th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Play a DH tomorrow – Play the regulars in game 1 and send them, Nova, and some of the relievers to Baltimore immediately after.

    In Game 2, they can use

    Nunez SS
    Dickerson LF
    Montero DH
    Laird 2B
    Chavez 3B
    Posada 1B
    Cervelli C
    Jones RF
    Golson CF

  389. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Does Girardi just completely revamp the lineup and play as many callups as possible to limit the risk of injury?

    Smart move I think. Put Dickerson at SS if you have to. Probably still win anyways if Phil has his stuff
    =======

    I disagree. The Yanks are still in a pennant race and are not any kind of lock to win anything this year. They should play through, and try to stay sharp, while making sure to get the guys some rest whenever it can be worked in….

  390. m September 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Not seeing as much tellow on the radar. They might just get this game in. Just let the old farts sleep though, they don’t play too good in these late games.

  391. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    EDIT:

    Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Does Girardi just completely revamp the lineup and play as many callups as possible to limit the risk of injury?

    Smart move I think. Put Dickerson at SS if you have to. Probably still win anyways if Phil has his stuff
    =======

    I disagree. The Yanks are still in a pennant race and are not any kind of lock to win anything (aside from a plyoff spot) this year. They should play through, and try to stay sharp, while making sure to get the guys some rest whenever it can be worked in….

  392. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Well the Yanks are guranteed a playoff spot, let’s be realistic at least as a WC.

    I just don’t want anyone to suffer an injury, but whatever…

  393. sunny615 September 6th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Christ. Good job O’s. Shoulda played that DH in Balt. Now they’ll have two games to make up. (IF this one doesn’t get played. Which it won’t.)

  394. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    my gf is studying the weather map and says there is definitely a window start at 10:45 to 1 am. also im watching the phillies playing in the same window and its lightly raining, but overall good conditions at cbp.

    i think we’re gonna play.

  395. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Well the Yanks are guranteed a playoff spot, let’s be realistic at least as a WC.

    I just don’t want anyone to suffer an injury, but whatever…
    ==

    You’re right about that. I misspoke and corrected the post. My fingers outraced my brain on that one :)

  396. pft2 September 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Game should have been called hours ago. Reschedule it for 9/29 and if the game means nothing, play the skrubs, and if it does mean something, it is the Orioles, and thats a good thing.

    I thought it was the home teams call until the game is officially started, and then it’s the umps call.

  397. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Im sure the Yanks would rather play all night tonight than to have to reduce their rest days before the postseason starts by playing on the 29th.

  398. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    pft2 September 6th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    Game should have been called hours ago. Reschedule it for 9/29 and if the game means nothing, play the skrubs, and if it does mean something, it is the Orioles, and thats a good thing.

    I thought it was the home teams call until the game is officially started, and then it’s the umps call.

    —–

    I think it is on the umpires once the time has past of scheduled first pitch, not sure though

  399. pat September 6th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    “Torre’s Yankees”

    NY Yankees, Steinbrenner’s Yankees but Torre’s Yankees? Torre before Yankees may have become part of the problem.

  400. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    This reminds me of that game in Detroit I think in 2007 that started at like midnight, Yankees lost in extra’s. I was at that game. It was crazy… Playing till like 4 am

  401. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    i believe mlb is in control of rainouts when teams are playing their last series of the year or when there is no available rain date in the event of a rainout.
    beyond that, the commissioner’s office, particularly THIS commissioner’s office, can pretty much take over any decision it cares to. he’s got a very wide and deep concensus built with this group of owners and almost limitless powers.

  402. m September 6th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    I was thinking that there was a more recent game, last year this season? Where it started very late.

    I’m thinking it was Phil who started, so I’m also thinking that’s the one he didn’t fare too well in.

  403. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Hey Ghostwriter sounds like Kay and Flaherty are having the same convo we just had.

  404. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Isn’t this the second time this year that they started playing a game at around 11:00 PM (eastern time)?

  405. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Hey Ghostwriter sounds like Kay and Flaherty are having the same convo we just had.
    =

    Heh. I’m not watching YES. So whose wrong? I mean whose position did Kay take? :P

  406. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Buck I hope your happy now that you took a big ole stand a week and a half ago. idiot

  407. pat September 6th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Tarp coming off

  408. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Kay says to play all the callups and backups as they would be excited to play.

    John says no way these games are still ultra important.

  409. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Tarp is coming off the field! :)

  410. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    First pitch 11PM.

  411. BTX September 6th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    “I was thinking that there was a more recent game, last year this season? Where it started very late.”

    We started a game against the Sox at just after 10:30 earlier… the CC/Beckett game where CC gave up the 2-0 lead late

    Hughes started another game against the Sox back in 09 at around 10 PM. The conditions were awful – it was pouring even when the game resumed.

  412. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    11PM projected start.

  413. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    This is just crazy. There’s no one there, lol. I would not expect a good game – the players are going to be tired and likely not into it. Maybe the starters will do better because of the adrenaline………….

  414. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    This is going to be tough on Phil. I hope that he doesn’t let this phase him.

  415. Captain Clutch September 6th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I hope Girardi plays the B lineup and lets those guys get some at bats. I wouldn’t risk the main guys getting hurt out there especially Granderson and Swish in the outfield. They also don’t need them being exhausted with a day game tomorrow and only 1 more off day.

  416. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Blake, they could have called the game and then played the game after the season only if it made a difference. Who knows if this game will be completed anyway?

  417. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Not sure when the game started but Red Sox game this year had more than a 3 1/2 hour delay. We had to stand most of the rain delay, b/c the seats were out in the open. And C. lost. Not fun.

  418. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Ther fans and the players got the shaft on this one, thanks to MLB and the O’s. I hope the Yanks throw a 20-spot up on the board in the first.

  419. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    It’s the same for the other pitcher……….I don’t think either team thought the game was ever going to start on time, so both SP presumably did not get too amped up as they normally would

  420. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Betsy, we should have a big enough window to get this game in.

  421. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Same issue–rain delay–but a shorter wait when Phil pitched against A’s. And he wasn’t too good. Joba used to be the one who got rain whenever he started a game.

  422. EA September 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    The umps control when/if the game gets called, no? Yanks can control when it gets rescheduled, but not IF it gets rescheduled.

    If they saw a decent window no later than 11, as they did, there is a reason why they didn’t call it.

  423. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Betsy,

    plan should be to score 15 in the first inning and then hold on until 5 are complete…..then let it pour.

  424. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Yankeefem, I still wish they’d cancelled but since they didn’t, win or lose, I hope they do get it in. I have to get up at 6:15 tomorrow, so I won’t be watching too much of the game

  425. West Coast Yankee Fan September 6th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    8PM a lovely start time for a game for me!

  426. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    yea….it is a good night to be on the west coast for sure

  427. Bret The Hitman September 6th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I napped for 3 hours today after class because I was up until 3 am last night finishing up a research paper.

    I’m awake.

  428. BD (Boston Dave) September 6th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Yankees should have had their players sneak out to go home at 9pm only to make Schmuck Showalter and his Orioles sit there and wait before calling the game at midnight.

  429. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    I’m just pulling for five quick innings, a significant lead after five, no injuries, and a deluge to put an early end to this one.

  430. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Blake, I like the sound of that plan………..score 15 early and just pull away until the O’s cry uncle

  431. Bronx Jeers September 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    I had a 3 1/2 hour delay last season at Fenway. And then they canceled the game.

  432. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Betsy, I’ve had a long day but will fight to stay awake. Luckily, I don’t work until 3:30PM. :) It’ll be interesting to see who plays tomorrow in the day game.

  433. yankeefeminista September 6th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Ghost, sounds like a plan. :)

  434. Ys Guy September 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    damn, if theres anyone on this team that’s not ‘into it’ the need to be wearing a different uniform!

    im sure g.i. joe agrees with me.

    this game counts as much as any other on the schedule and the opponent has one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball.

  435. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    They spent over a billion dollars building a stadium, and couldn’t put in a retractable roof…

  436. LGY September 6th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    This reminds me of that game in Detroit I think in 2007 that started at like midnight, Yankees lost in extra’s. I was at that game. It was crazy… Playing till like 4 am

    ———————

    I have no idea how I remember this but I’m pretty sure Sean Henn blew that game.

  437. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/20432944/

    The game at Comerica that I was at and thinking off.

  438. Yank 97 September 6th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    The craziest game was that one in Detroit in 07. Started at 11:15 and ended up going into extra innings… we lost on a 3-HR walkoff vs. Sean Henn

    Clemens started that game against Andrew Miller… ended just a bit after 4 AM

  439. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    I have no idea how anybody can remember Sean Henn (except of course for Mrs. Henn).

  440. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Strasburg looked pretty darn good tonight for first start after TJ surgery….5 shut out innings…2 hits

  441. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Yankeesfem, it’s just a game, so I’m not going to push myself. I’ve been going to sleep at 3/4 AM for a long time and I’m exhausted – I have no idea, to be honest, how I haven’t fallen asleep on my feet, lol. I’ll be in the car for about 5 or 6 hours tomorrow and long car rides tend to make me sleepy – I’m hoping to catch a few then.

    And I still am thrilled with no retractable roof.

  442. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Strasburg looked really good.

  443. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    blake,

    How hard was he throwing?

  444. Don September 6th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    11 pm for a baseball game. Seems crazy, but I’m in the Midwest so it is a bit less crazy for me to watch it!

  445. pat September 6th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    pcalderaPete Caldera
    Andrew Brackman’s presence is not a reward for recent success. NYY must weigh whether to trigger 2012 option, want to get a look at him here

  446. PhiltheThrill September 6th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Sean Henn got over a million dollars to sign with the Yanks under the old draft and follow rules (they had set the draft and follow record when they signed Andy Pettitte for 1.3M). Henn looked like a super destroyer in the low minors, got hurt, never got all the way back, and still may have underachieved. Hard throwing lefty.

  447. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Ghost,

    96-99 per gameday. I don’t think he touched 100….topped out at 99

  448. Betsy September 6th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    eboland11 not to scare anyone but it’s raining harder now than when they pulled the tarp off. · reply · retweet · favorite

    Seriously, just call the game – it’s not worth taking the risk of anyone getting hurt

  449. Ghostwriter September 6th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    99 is awfully impressive, considering what trasburg has been through. I wouldn’t have epected that kind of velo out of him until sometime next year.

  450. UnKnown September 6th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    And Federer goes down at the US Open

  451. Captain Clutch September 6th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    If they play tonight in the pouring rain it seems like they just want to get 5 innings in and then call it. With a day game tomorrow it’s crazy to start the game now in weather like this. I really hope Girardi sits the regular’s and no one gets hurt.

  452. blake September 6th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Just saw on the ticker that Mauer is going to play 1B the rest of the season and Morneu will DH if he’s able to come back from his concussion symptoms. That certainly is a strange case with Morneu…..I know concussions are variable and can present differently…..but I hope they are exploring other possible causes just to rule them out. Tragic situation….I hope he gets straightened out eventually.

  453. Donna L September 6th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    I’m still at work, in midtown. If I leave now, I can probably take the subway up to Washington Heights and be home by the third inning or so. I have an early meeting tomorrow, though, so I’ll have to resist temptation.


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