Postgame notes: Bad day for the bullpen
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 08, 2011 
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Unless I’m missing something in the play-by-play, Luis Ayala had a good day today, and the rest of the Yankees bullpen did not. If Wednesday’s loss rested on an inability to execute on defense, this one rested on the inability to execute in relief.
• Boone Logan faced one lefty and gave up an RBI double that pulled the Orioles within a run.
• Aaron Laffey faced one lefty and walked him to put the potential tying run on base.
• Cory Wade gave up a near game-tying double but benefited from an out at the plate.
• Rafael Soriano faced four batters, gave up three hits, and might have allowed more than one run if not for a play at the plate and runner caught stealing.
• Scott Proctor stranded two runners in the ninth before coughing up the game in the 10th.
A few thoughts…
• Logan’s allowed six hits in his past 2.1 innings, and he’s allowed a double in each of his past three appearances. These sudden struggles are coming at the end of a long stretch during which Logan pitched well. It might be nothing but a lefty reliever going through an inevitable bump in the road, but if it’s something bigger, the Yankees don’t have anyone to replace him.
• Speaking of replacing Logan, obviously Laffey is getting more lefty looks than Raul Valdes (who still hasn’t pitched). Laffey has faced Nick Markakis three times in four days. After a fly ball outs on Monday and Wednesday, Laffey walked him today.
• Hard to get down on Wade. The guy’s been awfully good lately.
• Soriano was dominant in those first few outings off the disabled list, but he’s allowed eight base runners in his past 4.2 innings. How’s Dave Robertson looking these days? Can you imagine this bullpen without him?
• Why Proctor for a second inning? Can’t say for certain, but Robertson had pitched back-to-back games and Hector Noesi had pitched two innings the night before. Maybe it was better to give George Kontos that 10th inning, but I’m not sure there was an obvious way to go at that point. It hadn’t been pretty, but the bullpen had setup a Soriano-to-Rivera finale. When Soriano didn’t do his part, the plan became improv.
A few other quick notes…
• Joel Sherman reports that Dellin Betances will join the Yankees here in Anaheim, but there’s no guarantee he’ll actually pitch.
• Francisco Cervelli was knocked around at the plate today, but he told Peter Botte that he’s fine. He was not tested for a concussion.
• Proctor told Ian Begley that he hung a slider on the walk off.
• Mark Feinsand notes that the Angels are planning a September 11 ceremony while the Yankees are in town.
• Just a random note that I noticed while working on some notes for Sunday’s paper: The Giants gave a September call-up to former Yankees outfielder Justin Christian, who played pretty well in the Yankees minor league system last year and put himself back on the map with a strong showing this winter. He’s one of those guys who I covered in the minor leagues and have always kept track of a little bit.
Associated Press photo
Not a banner day for th offense either
acknowledge the smarts (+ catching coaching from Girardi, Pena, Gary Tuck and co) Cervelli survives the collision with markakis and doesn’t end up with his feet under him which is how bobby wilson and buster posey broke ankles/legs.
It is ridiculous that the yanks have kids like kontos and brackman (and betances coming) in the pen and they decide to go with proctor…a guy with a 6 era…in a meaningful spot. Why have them on the roster if you’re not going to use them? Proctor is done and he has no role on the team moving forward. Pitch the kids and start developing your talent for the future. I normally don’t complain on managerial decisions, but to me this is inexcusable. Proctor should be the LAST man used out of the pen or if someone is winning by 10 runs.
Betsy,
I answered you in the previous thread.
I think MLB should have made a point to arrange the schedule so that the Yankees were at home for the 10 year anniversay of 9/11
always liked Christian. Other than speed, never did anything great but a lot of things pretty well. Had always hoped that he would have been given another shot to make the Yankees after that 2008 call-up.
It really was up to Soriano to do his job today, and he did not.
Girardi did say post-game that Robertson adn Noesi were unavailable.
If Proctor got through the 10th, he was g oing with “the kids.” Guess Mariano was only going to be in in a save situation or a last resort.
CC-
Right or wrong.
The Yankees seem to put a lot of emphasis on been there done that, i.e. experience.
They’re conservative. Perhaps too conservative sometimes.
Be fair.
You don’t know how many innings this thing was going to go. If you can get 2 out of Proctor, you do it.
Girardi had it right; the offense stalled and that is what cost this particular game overall.
Soriano should have not given up a run. That woudl have helped a lot.
Betsy,
Nope it wasn’t……they struck out 6 straight times late in the game and made Kevin Gregg look like somebody other than a bad reliever…….that said….Soriano had a lead in the 8th and coughed it up…..and as Chad mentions probably should have given up more than he did.
You’re going to give a minor league raw rookie his first major league inning in a tie game of an extra inning affair? Yeah…that always works.
would be real nice if Toronto could do us a favor tonight. told my friends at the local bar here in crab town we’ll give ‘em a these two games so the O’s get some confidence coming into these 7 games with Boston.
Logan also has to start getting lefties out…..
Blake-
We were supposed to have Feliciano and Marte too.
None of the pitchers did very well today other than Ayala. Nova was like a shotgun pitcher today. A lot of shots near the target but pellets all over the place.
MTU,
Yea….would be nice to have one of them at least.
And Romero strands Ellsbury at 3rd.
Logan’s arm seems to have come back more on top over the last week or so like in April an early May. Before, he was almost 3/4ths and the lefties couldn’t hit the slider and barely made contact with the fastball.
real shame Sori and the offense blew Nova’s 16th win today… although he did get that freebie vs KC a few weeks ago.
Blake-
I want O’Flaherty or Venters.
Can you use your pull with the Braves ?
Yeah GB7 that’s exactly what I’d do. We have no idea how kontos would handle that situation, but we all knew what the outcome would be with Proctor. I’d rather lose with the kids than a guy that’s completely shot. Especially since it helps develop them for the future.
MTU,
Sure…..ill just get Kimbrel too while Im at it
CountryClub September 8th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
It is ridiculous that the yanks have kids like kontos and brackman (and betances coming) in the pen and they decide to go with proctor…a guy with a 6 era…in a meaningful spot. Why have them on the roster if you’re not going to use them?
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having them up here is good exposure for them to the MLB life and pressure, even if they’re not going to be played. Buck did the same thing with Jeter in 95, had him up in Sept and in the dugout during the playoffs despite not being active. Jeter said it helped him tons.
Blake-
That’s my boy.
Package deal.
Move over Cashman.
” We all knew” that Rodriguez and Cano would bomb Baltimore into submission, too…just like always…except it didn’t happen. Everybody knew that Nova would give them quality innings today, like in his last 12 starts, but, it didn’t happen just like yesterday when everyone knew that pitching to Reynolds was a good idea instead of walking the guy in front of him. In other words, nobody knew nothing about how players would perform.
Jerkface,
You are right on luck being a factor in 1 run games.
In 2011, the Yankees are 18-20 in 1 run games and 4-9 in extras. Only Texas among all of the potential playofff teams in all of MLB has a worse record.
By comparison, in 2009, they were 22-16 in 1-run games and 7-3 in extras. That’s about where most playoff-type teams are in those types of games.
The Yankees and Texas are the only current playoff-type teams that don’t fit that profile.
More importantly, the team doesn’t build sufficient confidence for those situations in the postseason.
Yeah GB7 that’s exactly what I’d do. We have no idea how kontos would handle that situation, but we all knew what the outcome would be with Proctor. I’d rather lose with the kids than a guy that’s completely shot. Especially since it helps develop them for the future.
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I agree. Proctor is shot, if Girardi had to use him it should have been for 1 inning only. There is a reason he has been cut by other teams.
Shame for Nova. He could have had a win if not for the shoddy work from the pen.
GB and anyone else who is interested, You can listen to SI Yankees-Brooklyn playoff game#1 here on Cyclones broadcast: http://www.live365.com/stations/wkrb?site=pro
SI leads 1-0. Culver on on lead off single in 3rd. Mason had lead off triple in 1st, but they couldn’t score him.
blake, Betances has hit 98-99 as a starter, so should have no trouble reaching that velo in relief.
Noesi made his major league debut against the Orioles in extras and that worked out pretty well.
Boston losing.
Frozen rope,
It’s not a good comparison. The yanks were fighting for their playoff life in 95, so jeter was never going to play. I don’t doubt that the experience was good for him and for the others that they’ve brought up since then. But kontos and brackman are in their mid 20′s and are capable of pitching.
Cashman said that brackman was called up because they have to make a decision about picking up his option for next yr and they want to see him pitch. Well they had chances yesterday and today and didnt use them. Kontos needs to be protected on the 40 next yr. Maybe it makes sense to see him pitch in a meaningful spot?
Oh well, I won’t beat a dead horse. I made my opinion known…not that it matters.
Proctor wouldn’t have pitched the 2nd inning if there had been somebody available other than two rookies without any major league experience. Noesi did it because he was the last arm in the pen that hadn’t pitched the two nights before and had been riding with the team for almost two weeks..
Yankeefem,
That’s what I mean…..I could find use for a guy that can touch the upper 90s with a killer curveball…….they should at least see…
4-0 Jays.
Boston coughing it up.
Areciba homers. 4 zip.
Luck wasn’t a factor yesterday. You’re not going to win many 4 error games. Especially since it could have been more than 4. On top of that the stolen bases hurt us yesterday.
The errors don’t always hurt, but giving a team extra outs is not a formula for success.
Thanks for the link, YankeeFem. Hopefully, the Yankees can make Brooklym cry “Wait ’til next year”, just like the good old days.
Thank you Miller.
Thank you Toronto.
Miller sucks….
Hopefully Romero can.make that stick…..he’s got a good.chance to.
NYYs should have had 7 errors yesterday…bad weather and field conditions or not.
Blake-
I disagree. I think it’s pretty good beer.
blake, QFT; his curve is unhittable.
“I disagree. I think it’s pretty good beer.”
Lol
Miller is so terrible.
I still can’t believe there were Yankee fans on here who thought he would be a weapon for the Sox.
GB, I sure hope so. Brooklyn has owned SI lately. I just found out they changed the tomorrow SI game to a day game. Weird. I may take the ride out there, although I can’t stay for the whole game. No Bichette tonight?
GB, also no Bryan Mitchell? Tracy started…
Tell me again how Boston is gonna win the pennant with Wakefield, Miller, Wieland and Aceves in place of Bucholz and Beckett ?
I must be missing something.
He threw the greatest inning ever and that scared a few Yankee fans…..
I noticed Bichette wasn’t playing, YF. Any word on whether he’s eligible for the the post season. Be quite a nice thing for him to be on 2 championship teams in 1 year.
Oh. and I forgot to include Bedard.
Never mind. He’s injured again.
YM, any word on tomorrow’s starting pitcher?
TBritton_Projo
Interesting graphic on Jays’ broadcast: Miller taken one slot behind Morrow in ’06 Draft and one slot ahead of Kershaw.
That does leave Lester though.
And of course, Lackey.
That’s “YF”. YM his her brother.
Ha. Sure am glad the Sox didn’t get Kershaw.
GB, lol. Mitchell was scheduled to pitch first until the two rainouts, but not sure why he isn’t pitching. Now I am hoping he pitches tomorrow. I would be bummed if Bichette isn’t on the roster, esp. if I attended but could be so.
Wait a minute. i must apologize.
I left out Dub Runt and Bowden.
So sorry.
Surely that’s enough.
Tracy was perfect for Staten Island through 3.1 innings before a single. The next batter raps into a DP.
Miller’s original team was the Tigers?
Boston goin’ down faster than the Titanic tonight.
m-
North Carolina.
So the Blue birds of happiness are going to bail us out yet again ?
I’m gonna go out an join the Audubon society first thing tomorrow.
Miller was drafted by the Marlins and traded to the Tigers in the Miggy trade.
He was a complete disaster for the Tigers and the Sox signed him. Somehow even after walking the same amount of guys he always did in Pawtucket he was #cured according to the Red Sox media hype system.
I tell ya’. Joe Girardi is a freakin’ genius.
He knew Toronto would blow away Boston tonight.
Amazing. How the heck does he do stuff like that ?
If I had a Molson in the house I would drink one in commemoration of the Jays efforts on the Yanks behalf.
LGY-
Boston has the Midas touch.
You should know that by now.
Pat-
Let’s sing the Canadian National anthem together.
Looks like Miller should have saved those pitches from the best bullpen session ever seen from ST and used them today.
Speaking of Miggy, why hasn’t he got any recognition in the MVP race?
GB-
Looks like Miller could use a Bud. And a shot to go with it.
Breaking news, details still emerging on unconfirmed but credible threat:
Three individuals who entered the US in August, including one US citizen are being sought. Budget and Penske rental trucks supposedly missing from Kansas City, Missouri possibly involved in a suspected 9-11 anniversary terrorism threat. Fear is one of the trucks is carrying explosives.
Mayor/FBI/Police news conference (Bloomberg and Kelly) in New York City tomorrow morning to speak about specific threat to NYC.
* My Note: Early reports are often inaccurate.
MTU, although Toronto’s English Canadian, it’s still more fun to sing their anthem in French. 1-2-3 Go!
MTU September 8th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
GB-
Looks like Miller could use a Bud. And a shot to go with it.
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Should have had a Coor’s…the banquet beer.
I don’t even think Uncle Jon can top that best inning ever tweet from Olney and this is a guy who said Jackson is #betterthangranderson.
Quite possibly the dumbest baseball related comment of all time.
lgy,
it’s probably not fair but his off field activities likely have kept him from getting the recognition he deserves.
MTU,
I have disowned both Miller and Bard.
LGY,
I don’t know but he’s having a better year than Gonzalez
Breaking News:
Boston is going down in flames for the second night in a row.
Early reports seem to be accurate.
WCYF-
Are you serious? Where did you hear this?
I am supposed to travel into NYC on Sunday.
GB-
Good point. It is is a banquet. And also a feast.
Blake-
That is good because you don’t want a permanent stain being left behind.
Perhaps you could destroy the evidence ?
LGY,
Dan Pleasac said last night that Bard threw the best pitch of the season……right before he gave up the bases clearing double.
Villa Nova-Ya September 8th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
WCYF-
Are you serious? Where did you hear this?
I am supposed to travel into NYC on Sunday.
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I would never joke about something like that. Bloomberg’s press conference now tonight.
Adam Warren is still in good standing.
It’s all over television news. CNN is where I saw the report which came from ABC News I believe.
Deja vu – an overworked Scott Proctor coughing up the ballgame. Some Joes don’t ever learn from other Joes, do they?
Blake-
Of course.
Blake-
What about BrackMonster ?
Blake
LOL.
Blake
At least Bard is a good pitcher unlike Miller.
MTU
I was really just looking for an excuse to have a beer. I’ve got Stella in the house if you can come up with a Jays/Belgian connection. for me or else I’ll sing
O Canada. Our home and native land. True patriot love in all thy sons command. La lalalalala lalalalala lalala la la lalala lalala lalalalalalala we stand on guard for thee. God lalala lalala and free O Canada we stand on guard for thee. (Big finish) Oh Canada we stand on guaaaaaaaard Foooooooooor Theeeeeeeeeeeee.
WCYF -
I wouldn’t think you’d joke about that. Sorry for the phrasing of my question.
I did just do some checking and have gotten in touch with people I was supposed to be meeting to perhaps reconsider our meeting on that date. It was totally unrelated to the 9/11 anniversary.
LGY,
Yea…..but still.
MTU,
I’ve looked past Brackman’s prior affiliation
Get rid of every relief pitcher today, I wouldn’t miss any one bit…
Pat-
That works. Great job.
It they win I’ll apply for dual Citizenship, and give a quarter to the Queen’s favorite charity.
And then I’ll chase my beer down properly.
Thank you for supporting me and our team in this wonderful cause.
Villa Nova-Ya September 8th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
WCYF -
I wouldn’t think you’d joke about that. Sorry for the phrasing of my question.
I did just do some checking and have gotten in touch with people I was supposed to be meeting to perhaps reconsider our meeting on that date. It was totally unrelated to the 9/11 anniversary.
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I would take the initial report with a grain of salt, as I mentioned these first alerts are often inaccurate. If it were me, I certainly would not change my plans, but that’s me. I would just watch CNN and stay informed. Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly are supposedly having a press conference at 9:30 PM tonight.
PeteAbe: “Looks like Andrew Miller has settled down after a rough 2nd. Very impressive thus far.”
WCYF
Thanks.
You’re welcome. Hope it’s nothing.
Pete is being sarcastic right….?
Blake-
I’m beginning to wonder if you aren’t just a tad biased.
Maybe a touch of the ole’ selective morality thing ?
I don’t know about you.
Further investigation may be warranted.
NFL is about to kick off.
SOS, sorry to hear about Peyton Manning.
I would have been fine if the NFL.had stayed locked out personally.
MTU,
Just a wee bit.
Blake-
What Abraham wanted to say was:
“I have settled down to another bowl of chowdah.”
He miss typed it.
Blake-
We’re friends so I’ll just look the other way this time.
Don’t want you getting into any bad habits though. I have your word on that, right ?
MTU,
Oh….gotcha…..did you post here when Pete was here?
Miller was actually drafted by Detroit and traded to the Marlins. The Marlins are the ones who released him.
Miller/Maybin both sucked for the Marlins
Blake-
A caught a little of him. Yeah.
edit: I. sorry.
Miller was actually drafted by Detroit and traded to the Marlins. The Marlins are the ones who released him. Miller/Maybin both sucked for the Marlins
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Yeah my bad. I completely reversed that somehow.
LGY-
You must be gettin’ old. You’re losing your edge.
Pretty soon you’ll be like me.
Tigers kinda got the better end of that deal
MTU
I just need some bacon to refuel
Girardi put too much faith in Logan and especially Laffey. Why that dingleberry continues to get innings is beyond me. The offense also fell asleep after the 4 th. The O’s bullpen shutdown the Yankees offense to the tune of no hits and 8 punchouts after Tex’s hit in the 4th. Pretty ugly.
At least Miller is stinking worse than AJ.
Ells bury knocks in Sox first run….knocks Romero out
Have a good night folks.
Thanks again Toronto.
Keep it up.
5-3 Blue Jays going into the bottom of the 7th….The Jays are going to need more runs.
Heard some on here and either YES or WCBS (cant remember) that it would have been a bad idea to put a rookie in an extra innings tie game against the O’s. Didn’t we do that with Noesi and it worked out pretty well? Kontos seems to be able to handle some pressure, he was the closer in AAA, no?
Staten Island beats Brooklyn 2-0 to lead in their best of 3 games, 1-0.
Blake thanks! Sounds like a must miss article