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Betances: “I still can’t believe I’m here”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

On the morning before his first Major League call-up, Dellin Betances went to the street in front of his New Jersey home and played catch with his older brother Anthony. On the day before he became a big leaguer, he was just a kid throwing a baseball in the road.

“Just 10 minutes,” Dellin said. “Just regular catch, and then he squatted down for a little flat ground. After that, just showered and got ready to come here.”

On his first day on the Yankees active roster, Betances had a locker along the back wall in Anaheim, and he seemed to be in full just-happy-to-be-here mode. He’s not sure when he’ll pitch — even Joe Girardi’s not sure when he’ll pitch — but having a place in that clubhouse was obviously an important step.

“I grew up in New York,” Betances said. “Born in New York and raised, and being a Yankee fan to now coming here and wearing the uniform is a great, great feeling… It was just one of those years, an up-and-down year, but I definitely accomplished my goals which was to come here and stay healthy throughout the year. Those two goals were my main focus, and thank God everything has gone well.”

It hasn’t been a perfect year for Betances — he walked a lot of guys, July was a legitimately bad month, his Triple-A stint was uneven — but he believes he’s better because of it. When Jesus Montero was called up, Girardi talked about wanting young players to struggle in the minor leagues. It’s part of the growth process.

“I feel like I learned how to pitch in situations,” Betances said. “Runners on, try to make quality pitches. I think halfway through the year I had a little bump that I kept giving up runs, and I just tried to focus on (when there are) guys in scoring position, just try to make pitches and get those guys out. That’s one of the things, I think I’ve gotten mentally tougher. It’s been a battle, but I’m definitely happy to be here now with these guys. It’s kind of a surreal feeling.

“When they called my name I didn’t believe it, and I still can’t believe I’m here. Maybe when I go out on the field it will hit me.”

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202 Responses to “Betances: “I still can’t believe I’m here””

  1. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    I’d love to see him start one of the games in the day/night doubleheader coming up, but don’t expect it with Girardi still unwilling or unable to choose which guy to remove from the rotation.

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    The Hughes situation is crystal clear to me. There are injury issues, not a lack of talent issues. After being drafted in 2004, Hughes was declared to be a premium prospect with number one, ace stuff and rightly so. But he has been injured numerous times since then.

    2004 – Phil shut down, elbow stiffness, the day after his first start in the Yankee system.
    2004 – Phil breaks his toe running in the hallway of his hotel to answer his cell phone.
    2005 – To the disabled list with shoulder tendinitis.
    2007 – Hamstring pull during no-hit effort against Texas. (hitter was Teixeira)
    2007 – Ankle sprain during rehabilitation.
    2008 – Strained oblique and stress fracture to his rib.
    2010/11 – Shoulder inflammation and dead arm.

    The Yankees are right not to give up on someone like Hughes at 25 years of age. 2012 will be a huge year for him IMO, another setback due to a significant injury at 26 might result in the Yankee organization writing him off as an injury-prone lost cause.

  3. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Doubtful, The Sux are on life support, Beckett, Bedard, Pukilis, Lowrie, Bucholz, Drew are hurting. BP is being taxed now due to the lack of SP.

    ** Pedroia is hitting .100 (3-for-30 with only one extra base hit)
    ** Pukilis .185
    ** Salty and Varitek .178
    ** Crawford .238

    Above is over the last week. The Rays have a good chance to sweep imo, as they smell blood in the water and can gain some serious ground. Yankees need to play the A Team and get some wins to distance themselves from the Sux while they flounder.

  4. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    There should be no way Betances is behind people like Laffey and Proctor in the pecking order.

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock September 10th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    A good spot for Dellin would have been last night, but I realize they’re never going to put a kid in that spot as his introduction.

    Still, he would have given us a chance to get out of that inning.

    He’s had a few out and out stinkers, but mostly, even when his command isn’t quite there, it’s pretty hard to get good wood on his stuff, unless on those rare occasions he doesn’t finish his curve or he’s on the FB mono diet, being mandated to pump in one after the other without much variety. That’s been for work on command, so that’s not something terminal or telling.

    He’s gonna put it all together, the last frontier being better command. He’s already made strides there in that he is tuned into when he goes awry and can fix himself in game.

    A new hurdle will be smarter, quicker, better hitters, but he’ll adapt with that great arm. It’s a shame he won’t be on the PS roster, because he can get lefties out better than Logan or Laffey. I’m just going to enjoy his spot when he gets the nod, whenever that happens.

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock September 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    vblade, agree. He’s got some innings left this year, no reason not to put them in play in games we need and which his arm can positively impact. If he comes in and can’t find the plate, they come get him, that’s all.

  7. LGY September 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    @SI_JonHeyman
    i’m starting to lean toward @JustinVerlander for mvp. @cgrand14, ellsbury running 2-3. #flipflopper

  8. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Maine,

    I understand your point but I still want to see how IPK does in the playoffs. The NL West is the weakest division in baseball.

    Nevertheless, IPK has never really had such a limited arsenal like Phil Hughes. He throws fastball, slider, change.

    The Yankees have given Phil Hughes years to learn new pitches but so far Phil’s cutter and change are show-me pitches. How much more evidence do they need? Look how quickly Nova learned an effective slider – something Hughes can’t seem to do. It took Nova not years but a brief one-month stint in AAA.

    With CC, Nova, Betances, Banuelos and somebody from the 2012 free agent class, the Yankees can easily cut ties with Phil Hughes. I think Phil is the most likely to depart the team over these next few years.

  9. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Oysters for everybody!

  10. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    edit: IPK throws fastball, slider, change, curve

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock September 10th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Check back later for lineups.

    Hope to see Jesus in there again.

  12. RMS September 10th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    There should be no way Betances is behind people like Laffey and Proctor in the pecking order.

    ———————————————————————————
    That’s right. Yankees called up a few pitchers and so far Girardi has them sitting while the Yankeees continue to lose games. Put these guys in and sit Proctor and Laffey.

  13. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Maine,

    I am not suggesting trade Montero at peak value. However, had Cashman and the front office been smart enough to pick the right player target after 2007, they could’ve acquired anybody in baseball for Joba Chamberlain. I’m not privy to what GM’s would offer and the Yankees evaluations on those players.

    If the Giants offered Matt Cain for Montero, would you do it?

    If you look at Matt Cain’s ML history, is he a reliable arm?

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock September 10th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    No time to discuss, but Phil Hughes now and Phil Hughes in 2012 are not likely to resemble each other all that much.

    If there’s no patience in one’s rooting DNA, you can forget about a team that puts together multiple chances to win it all.

    Later, Lohud.

  15. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Is the navy blue and white sock clean, pressed and ready to go ? Don’t slop any mustard on it ! ! :wink:

  16. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    When Laffey started the 9th with Ayala warming in the pen, did anyone really believe that the Angels were not going to score?

    That we are in a position to have to throw Laffey, Ayala, Proctor and Wade out there in make it or break it situations is a huge fail on Cashman’s part. There is a big difference between being effective in June in Kansas City and a pennant race and the post-season.

    It’s September 10th; why would you not have given Betances, Brackman and some of our other prospects a few innings starting September 2nd to see if they could contribute? What reason was there not to?

  17. 4 NYY September 10th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    # TheStraw September 8th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    “Don’t expect the Yanks to take 2 of 3 from the Angels”

    Why not, we are 6-2 vs. them so far….

    ===================================================

    Angels still have our number and are hungry with good pitching. And when you keep putting guys like Laffey in important situations, what do we think is gonna happen ?

    I hope we can take even one of the three. ( praying for 2 tho )

  18. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    If then Yankees want to upgrade LF they can do better than Melky.

    ********

    Just curious…like who?

    LF is an interesting topic. If Gardner finishes exactly where he is right now, do the Yankees look to upgrade LF in the offseason? What if he fades into the .250′s or .240′s with zero pop?

  19. jmonteforte September 10th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Driving up from San Diego for tonight’s game. Looking forward to seeing a great pitching matchup w/ CC on the hill.

    Hopefully JC is in the lineup tonight! Montero is living up to the hype!

  20. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Gardner is under team control for a couple more years, there’s no reason to splurge on the FA market when you have the stolen base leader there already.

    Just ask the Red Sox how that whole Crawford thing worked out. Still got 5 years left on that monster deal, and he won’t age pretty.

  21. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    What would the Rays want for BJ Upton? Is he a smarter target than Colby Rasmus? I’m still surprised the Yankees passed on him. Cards must’ve wanted Nova.

  22. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Most teams don’t have guys making their MLB debuts on the road in close games against a post-season contender.

    Calling Cashman a failure for the current bullpen situation is foolish. It’s the glut of tight games with no off days, funky weather and short starts that got the bullpen gassed.

    If Soriano does his job two days ago and anyone besides Montero brought his bat to the park last night none of this would even be a conversation.

  23. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    If BJ Upton can’t succeed under the low lights of Tampa, how would he fare being scrutinized on a daily basis in New York?

    All a moot point, as I doubt Tampa will take the (however minute) chance that Upton realizes his potential with a division rival.

  24. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Most teams don’t have guys making their MLB debuts on the road in close games against a post-season contender.

    Calling Cashman a failure for the current bullpen situation is foolish. It’s the glut of tight games with no off days, funky weather and short starts that got the bullpen gassed.

    ———–

    There are like 12 guys in the bullpen since the call-ups. How can everybody be gassed?

  25. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    IMO Gardner should be a discussion among Yankee brass this winter.

    Are Gardner’s defensive abilities and speed enough to offset his relatively poor offensive capabilities? Is 7-8 home runs and 35-40 RBI’s enough for a starting left-fielder, especially given his tendency to go into prolonged slumps?

    Since June Gardner’s performance has plummeted.

    June BA – .317
    July BA – .289
    August BA – .226
    September BA – .200 (to date)

    He was a $530,000 dollar player this year, with his first arbitration year to come in 2012. I tend to think Hal will keep him around and there may not be an available alternative.

  26. jmonteforte September 10th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Gardner and Granderson will be in LF/CF for the next few seasons, no doubt about it.

    RF is interesting b/c Swisher is a great clubhouse player and has a good bat, however he’s a Free Agent and his defense is suspect. Cashman could look and find a player who better range and a superior arm to play RF. The lineup can lose some of Swisher’s power who a better defensive outfielder who maybe more a contact hitter.

    When you have JC in your lineup for 2012, you can afford to give up some power!

  27. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    4 NYY September 10th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    # TheStraw September 8th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    “Don’t expect the Yanks to take 2 of 3 from the Angels”

    Why not, we are 6-2 vs. them so far….

    ===================================================

    Angels still have our number and are hungry with good pitching. And when you keep putting guys like Laffey in important situations, what do we think is gonna happen ?

    I hope we can take even one of the three. ( praying for 2 tho )
    ===============

    I think that we safely can lay the ‘Angels have the Yankees number’ meme to rest for now. Since 2009, the Yanks are 13-12 against the Angels. Yes, the Angels play the Yanks tough, but they no longer own them.

    With CC going today, I think that the Yanks have a great chance at evening the series, and I like our chances against Santana tomorrow even if Garcia is a horrible match-up against the Angels.

  28. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    vblade —

    Most of the good guys in the pen were gassed…. so the choice comes down to lesser guys (Laffey and Ayala) or newbies (Betances and Brackman).

    Just pointing out that most teams in Girardi’s situation would not throw a player in that situation for his MLB debut.

  29. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Swisher’s option will be picked up. It’s very affordable for his skill set.

    There is no reason to believe that the outfield won’t be intact for at least one more season. After that, who knows. Swisher will be out of options and will hit FA, and Gardner may have regressed further.

    Or both could have excellent years, and be retained again.

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Swisher is not suspect defensively, not this year, he has improved greatly. But even if he was, to lose his offensive capabilities for better defense makes no sense. It is a lock that the Yankees will pick up his option and that he will be in right field in 2012. 25 home runs – 90 RBI’s and a .380 OPBP do not grow on trees.

  31. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Yanks could really use a blowout with CC going 7 and Brackman and Betances each making his MLB debut. Giving Robertson, Soriano, Rivera and Logan another full day would be a boost.

  32. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    vblade —

    Most of the good guys in the pen were gassed…. so the choice comes down to lesser guys (Laffey and Ayala) or newbies (Betances and Brackman).

    Just pointing out that most teams in Girardi’s situation would not throw a player in that situation for his MLB debut.

    ——————

    It may have been unconventional, but it certainly would give the team a better chance to win. Everyone knew once Laffey and Proctor got into the game that the Angels would manage to push across a run.

    Joe has to stop managing conservatively if certain situations call for it, like last night.

  33. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Most teams don’t have guys making their MLB debuts on the road in close games against a post-season contender.

    Calling Cashman a failure for the current bullpen situation is foolish. It’s the glut of tight games with no off days, funky weather and short starts that got the bullpen gassed.

    ———–

    There are like 12 guys in the bullpen since the call-ups. How can everybody be gassed?
    =======

    Everybody isn’t gassed. However, our best guys probably are tired. Lots of close games over the last few days means that our big guns got used alot.

    I think that folks are making way too much of Laffey and Ayala yesterday. Girardi obviously was hoping to win the game in the ninth, and didn’t want o use Rivera in a tie game. Anybody that Girardi could have run out there (incuding Betances or Rivers) in the ninth would have been second-guessed if the Angels walk off with the win.

  34. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Everybody isn’t gassed. However, our best guys probably are tired. Lots of close games over the last few days means that our big guns got used alot.

    I think that folks are making way too much of Laffey and Ayala yesterday. Girardi obviously was hoping to win the game in the ninth, and didn’t want o use Rivera in a tie game. Anybody that Girardi could have run out there (incuding Betances or Rivers) in the ninth would have been second-guessed if the Angels walk off with the win.

    ————

    Maybe it’s just me, but I’d rather lose with Betances or Brackman on the mound rather than Aaron Freaking Laffey.

  35. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    vblade —

    Most of the good guys in the pen were gassed…. so the choice comes down to lesser guys (Laffey and Ayala) or newbies (Betances and Brackman).

    Just pointing out that most teams in Girardi’s situation would not throw a player in that situation for his MLB debut.

    ——————

    It may have been unconventional, but it certainly would give the team a better chance to win. Everyone knew once Laffey and Proctor got into the game that the Angels would manage to push across a run.

    Joe has to stop managing conservatively if certain situations call for it, like last night.
    ===========

    If he uses Betances, people on this blog (and elsewhere) would be calling Joe an idiot for dropping Betances into that situation.

  36. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    WCYF,

    If you’re right and Hal sticks with Gardner 1 more year, you’d have to believe the Yankees bring in an Andruw Jones-type option where Gardner isn’t given full reign on LF, right? Perhaps you bring in an outfielder who is a candidate to play even more games than Andruw Jones did considering how Gardner has regressed this year compared to last year. What about 1 year of Grady Sizemore if he’s cheap? If he works out, you have a starting LF and Gardner as a weapon off the bench. If he gets injured again, you’re exactly where you started from, with Gardner the starter in LF.

  37. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Everybody isn’t gassed. However, our best guys probably are tired. Lots of close games over the last few days means that our big guns got used alot.

    I think that folks are making way too much of Laffey and Ayala yesterday. Girardi obviously was hoping to win the game in the ninth, and didn’t want o use Rivera in a tie game. Anybody that Girardi could have run out there (incuding Betances or Rivers) in the ninth would have been second-guessed if the Angels walk off with the win.

    ————

    Maybe it’s just me, but I’d rather lose with Betances or Brackman on the mound rather than Aaron Freaking Laffey

    ========
    Why? What do their track records in the big leagues look like?

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 10th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I have to agree with Vineyard. The Suxers know they’re on fumes, everyone around here knows they’re on fumes, WEEI (callers and hosts) know they’re on fumes. You just cannot have that much go wrong and think your chances of success are great. Heck, I had them on fail when they were totally healthy. Also, how must they feel knowing the team breathing down their necks are the ones they are playing right now? I think even the most ardent Sux supporters, if they allowed themselves to be realistic, would have to admit that their chances of any kind of run are slim to none.

    ***************

    It’s unfortunate that we’re facing an eager Angel’s team at this point in time and the Yanks are still pulling it together from their Baltimore travel debacles. Both the Angels and the Rays have to be dealing with major adrenaline rushes right now and that alone will energize them. Both are fighting for playoff hopes while the Yankees are basically already there.

    I guess the best I can do is curse the fates that brought along the hurricane when they did and hope that Girardi’s shuffling things around as best he can enures to the benefit of the offense in relatively short order.

  39. randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “Montero said. “He threw me two good curveballs and then I was thinking in, because I’m a catcher, too. I was thinking fastball in at that moment, and I got the right pitch.””

    for those who have never seriously caught before, it may be hard to understand but being able to catch is an attitude.

    derek jeter could play every position on the field but be a catcher. he doesn’t have it in him to be that kind of player. not many do. arod? no way. cano? i don’t think so.

    but in that statement by montero above is why he’s going to be an all star catcher and not just because of his bat. he thinks like a catcher. he looks at the game as a catcher. even when he’s hitting.

    there’s no stopping montero. he’s not only the next big yankee thing. he’s the next big mlb thing.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 10th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “I think that we safely can lay the ‘Angels have the Yankees number’ meme to rest for now.”

    I was thinking about that last night and how what seemed forever the Angels were manhandling the Yanks whenever they played them.

    Also, I wonder what happened to that horrific little rally monkey? Oh, I think he announced he’s going to be at today’s game, hoping to cheer the Angels on to victory…

  41. vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Why? What do their track records in the big leagues look like?

    ——————-

    How can Laffey and Proctor be better options, regardless of big league experience?

    Betances and Brackman are better equipped to give you multiple innings and much improved velocity over the other two options.

  42. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    I really like Blake’s idea of Montero DH’ing and backing up Russell Martin during the last 5 years on Teixeira’s contract. After Tex leaves, plug in Montero at 1b. He’ll be only 26 years old. Then you have an Albert Pujols player at 1b protected from breakdown and more insulated from stress rather than a Joe Mauer.

  43. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    As Blake said in the last thread, the Yanks could really use a blowout tonIght. It would relieve the stress on their bullpen and allow their offense to get back on track.

  44. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Bret, not a bad idea about splitting Montero between DH and catcher. Not sure how much longer Alex will stick at third. He’ll need more and more DH at-bats over the next two years, and so will Jeter. It would help if another one of the catching prospects, like Sanchez would be ready in another 2-3 years.

  45. The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    I expected to be swept by the Angels and then the Mariners.

    Unfortunately, I am right thus far (as usual).

  46. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    vblade September 10th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Why? What do their track records in the big leagues look like?

    ——————-

    How can Laffey and Proctor be better options, regardless of big league experience?

    Betances and Brackman are better equipped to give you multiple innings and much improved velocity over the other two options.
    ——————–

    Proctor didn’t play yesterday. Ayala has had a good year for us. Betances and Brackman have had their control issues in the minors, and zero ML experience. At least, Laffey and Ayala have demonstrated that they can throw strikes at the ML level. Yeah, Girardi culd have used Betances or Brackman in that spot, but the fact that he didn’t hardly constitutes some kind of major tactical and strategic failure.

    That game wasn’t lost because the Yanks wanted to take a look at Laffey in a big spot against a lefty. One run wasn’t going to win that game for the Yanks. Pitching needs some support from the offense (and defense) to make it stand up.

  47. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    If then Yankees want to upgrade LF they can do better than Melky.

    ********

    Just curious…like who?

    LF is an interesting topic. If Gardner finishes exactly where he is right now, do the Yankees look to upgrade LF in the offseason? What if he fades into the .250?s or .240?s with zero pop?

    ————————————————————————————

    I was responding to a comparison between the two options.

    If the Yankees were to upgrade LF I feel it would be someone better than Melky.

    I’m content with Gardner at this point but would like to see more consistancy from his offense.

    Even if BJ was available I would pass.

    Seems content to waste his talent rather than use it.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 10th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    “I expected to be swept by the Angels and then the Mariners.

    Unfortunately, I am right thus far (as usual).”

    :lol:

  49. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Tucker,

    Martin could last another 5 years if he has Cervelli and Romine. Romine is near ML-ready now. I’ve said before that either Jeter plays shortstop or he hits the DL. The same goes for AROD. That’s exactly what the Yankees did with Jeter’s calf this year. I’m sure he wanted to stay in there and tough it out and Joe could’ve made it work by resting Jeter at DH more but DH was never made an option. So I say either play AROD at 3b or DL him. DH should not be an insurance spot in the lineup. The Red Sox have Ortiz. I’m sure they’re vets like Youkilis, Drew and Varitek need time at DH but they still have Ortiz as a full time player there.

  50. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    I expected to be swept by the Angels and then the Mariners.

    Unfortunately, I am right thus far (as usual).
    =====
    Where did they sweep you?

  51. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    WCYF, If you’re right and Hal sticks with Gardner 1 more year, you’d have to believe the Yankees bring in an Andruw Jones-type option where Gardner isn’t given full reign on LF, right? Perhaps you bring in an outfielder who is a candidate to play even more games than Andruw Jones did considering how Gardner has regressed this year compared to last year. What about 1 year of Grady Sizemore if he’s cheap? If he works out, you have a starting LF and Gardner as a weapon off the bench. If he gets injured again, you’re exactly where you started from, with Gardner the starter in LF.

    **************

    I would totally buy into that concept. Who is available, what the cost is in current players, prospects and/or draft picks and what Hal is willing to spend are the great unknowns. I know it’s crying over spilled milk but Holliday still eats at me. I believe they passed on him thinking Crawford was their guy in 2011.

  52. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    “Montero said. “He threw me two good curveballs and then I was thinking in, because I’m a catcher, too. I was thinking fastball in at that moment, and I got the right pitch.””

    “….but in that statement by montero above is why he’s going to be an all star catcher and not just because of his bat. he thinks like a catcher. he looks at the game as a catcher.”

    ************

    After two curve balls in that at bat and his previous power display to right; everyone on the planet knew he was going to get inside heat.

  53. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    WHen has Montero EVER played 1B?

    It’s one thing to say, he can learn it well enough (at the ML level) to fill in there every once in a blue moon. It’s quite another to say, well, he can DH and back up Martin until Tex’s contract is done and then take over 1B.

  54. Mike_Boston September 10th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    As much as talent and Betance and Brackman seem to have it’s not fair to them or their teammates for their MLB debut to me made in a tie ball game, 9th inning on the road. Managers don’t do that for a reason. You bring kids into games in low pressure situations and go from there.

  55. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    WCYF,

    And I believe the Red Sox move for Crawford so early in the FA process was a preemptive strike where they wanted to remove the Yankees plan-B, forcing the Yankees eggs entirely into the Cliff Lee basket. Passing on Matt Holliday was a huge mistake but then again maybe the Yankees end up using that money for Matt Kemp.

    I still feel Crawford will live up to that contract. He got off to a poor start but I think he’s a star player. He’s too talented to suck this much. Perhaps his shoulder is acting up this year.

    He should take more creatine monohydrate.

  56. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    …derek jeter could play every position on the field but be a catcher. he doesn’t have it in him to be that kind of player. not many do. arod? no way. cano? i don’t think so.
    ..
    ==============

    This is an intiguing remark. Please explain: What does Jeter lack to be a catcher? Jeter seems pretty tough and heady to me….

  57. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Bret

    Wasn’t it you that wanted Sizemore at the beginning of the year?

    How would that have worked out?

    Sizemore was a great talent and would have been nice to have but not without his health.

    If healthy his cost would have been to steep.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 10th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    “As much as talent and Betance and Brackman seem to have it’s not fair to them or their teammates for their MLB debut to me made in a tie ball game, 9th inning on the road. Managers don’t do that for a reason. You bring kids into games in low pressure situations and go from there.”

    Absolutely agree.

  59. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Maine,

    If the price is right for Sizemore, I still see no harm in paying him 8.5 million for 2012 alone. If he stays healthy, he’s a borderline superstar in LF. If he gets injured again, Gardner goes right back to being a starter in LF. The worst case scenario is Gardner as the starter in LF…but that’s the exact situation you’re in if you don’t bring in an OF to compete for Gardner’s AB’s.

  60. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Alex and jeter increasingly will need a break. They no longer have the legsmof 20-somethings. It will cost the Yanks in defensive range if you send those two guys out there for 140-plus games each year. Some DH time will refreshen their legs and keep their bats quick.

    Per your example above, drew and Varitek don’t have the bats to DH. Youk will be gone from Boston after his contract is up. His body is already breaking
    down due to his time at third base. His fate with the
    Sox was sealed when they got AGon. That is unless they let Ortiz walk after this year, then Youk may get some time at DH.

  61. 108 stitches September 10th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    As long as the Sux keep free falling the Yankees can breath but it would still feel better to get 3-4 more games of separation.
    The rest of this road trip should be treated with a sense of urgency because the rest of the schedule sees nothing but the Rays and the Sux.

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    WCYF, And I believe the Red Sox move for Crawford so early in the FA process was a preemptive strike where they wanted to remove the Yankees plan-B, forcing the Yankees eggs entirely into the Cliff Lee basket. Passing on Matt Holliday was a huge mistake but then again maybe the Yankees end up using that money for Matt Kemp.

    I still feel Crawford will live up to that contract. He got off to a poor start but I think he’s a star player. He’s too talented to suck this much. Perhaps his shoulder is acting up this year.

    He should take more creatine monohydrate.

    *************

    I agree, I would love to have had Crawford; not so in love with the contract. He’s too good a player for this to last. As to Kemp – I wish!

  63. NYYanksFan September 10th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    A-Rod used to call the pitches from SS when he was in TX and both CC and Leiter have said he thinks like a catcher and is unbelievable to watch video with because of what he picks up.

    He even out thinks himself sometimes with his guess hitting.

  64. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I really don’t like this idea of using the DH to give guys half-days off. Yes, Jeter and Arod (and Tex, etc.) need more rest and off days, But just give them the whole day off, and have a dedicated DH (or a catcher-DH platoon). This rotating DH thing doesn’t seem to buy you anything, because you still have to make room for the defensive substitute’s weaker bat in the lineup. The production that the Yanks have gotten out of the DH slot this year is one of their glaring weaknesses.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Not wanting to bring your pitchers into a pressure situation doesn’t make sense. I don’t care if Betances loses the game or Ayala. Managers do dumb things all the time and that mindset is trite and overblown.

    But as I said before, some of our younger pitchers could have been brought up September 2nd and given an inning here and there in a low-pressure situation.

  66. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Bret

    I still see no harm in paying him 8.5 million
    ————————————————————————-

    The reason you say that is because it’s not your money.

    If he had a chance to play and stay healthy the cost to get him would be cost prohibitive.

    I know you have been trying to find someone else to play LF other than Gardner but I see no need to be that desperate.

  67. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Bret

    I still see no harm in paying him 8.5 million
    ————————————————————————-

    The reason you say that is because it’s not your money.

    If he had a chance to play and stay healthy the cost to get him would be cost prohibitive.

    I know you have been trying to find someone else to play LF other than Gardner but I see no need to be that desperate.
    ===========
    Sizemore is a nice player. However, he is at best a marginal upgrade over Gardner, and a huge injury risk. The yanks potentially could wind up paying $8.5 million for a guy on the IR, and be now better off.

  68. ZMAN September 10th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    The only reason Noesi made his debut in Baltimore is because they had no one else available. They had even used MO, which Girardi never does in tie games on the road.

    Betances is a guy with shaky control to begin with… you want his 1st MLB game to be on the road in a tie game against a good team?

    That had 3 BBs written all over it and people would kill Girardi for putting a prospect in that situation when he has known control problems. Ditto Brackman.

    The real problem is how underwhelming the offense has been lately, with them playing these close games every night. They need a few blowouts in the worst way.

  69. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Yeah, the DH production hasn’t been great. But that is largely because of Posada’s poor production. If you give Alex 30 games at dh and jeter 20 games next year, they hopefully can last 100′ or so games in the field. Montero catches maybe 50 games next year and takes another 100 games at DH.

    Really, Alex and Jeter are the only older, everyday players in the starting lineup. The yanks are viewed as an older team (remember cliff lee’s comments last offseason?) but Tex, cano, grandy, martin and swisher our all of prime age. Gardner is getting there, and as we can see,’montero’s bat is ML ready. Cashman has done a phenomenal job of turning over this roster with prime-age talent.

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    What sign does the 3rd base coach flash to a hitter that means “blowout?

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  72. luis September 10th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Hi everyone,

    My two cents:

    No matter what Girardi would have done last night, he would have been second guessed for the move if the game was lost ( As it happened ), i think the loss is more on the offense than on the pitching….We need to rest the big guns so they can be fresh for the PS and we have been through a particularly tough stretch ( Hurricane, rainouts you name it ).

    Montero should be playing, regardless of who is pitching, he has demonstrated so far that he can handle ML pitching.

    On the Betances issue, i don’t think last night was the spot to make his debut, you have to put him in a less stressfull spot first and then allow him to rise through the pecking order, jmo

  73. AZ88 September 10th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Gardner epitomizes what is wrong with the offense – too many streaky player. Alex, Tex, Grandy, Martin, etc. all fall into that category. Plus Chavez has a .600 OPS since coming off the DL and Nunez isn’t an everyday player.

    Cano is not streaky results-wise, but you look at his bats in a 10 game stretch where he has great ABs, doesn’t swing at crap, good situational hitting, etc. then you look at his next 10 games and he is hacking away at everything, poor situational hitting, not a lot of RBIs, etc.

    Jeter might be their most consistent day-in, day-out player. He’s not going to have a stretch where he hits 5 HRs in 7 games, followed by a game where he gets 2 hits in 7 games with 12 Ks, etc.

    Either way, they need to keep Montero in the lineup, just for the sake of hopefully getting reliable offense from the DH position. He’s hot – leave him in there.

  74. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Tom, I think the blowout sign comes from the bench coach.

  75. luis September 10th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    AZ88,

    Baseball is made of streaks…..the key issue is that the good streaks should be longer and more frequent than the bad ones, thats what separates good players from the rest.

  76. tomingeorgia September 10th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Tucker,
    Right, then it’s relayed by the 3rd base coach, and a blowout ensues.

  77. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    AZ88, agreed that the offense is full of streaky hitters. That is why it’s so important for Tex to remake his lefty swing and become the hitter he was in 2008-2009. I fear the arod we see now is the arod we’ll have from here on out. He’s no longer the explosive hitter he was in 07. It would be great if the yanks could get another prime- age slugger with great bat speed like Justin upton.

  78. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Sizemore at his best is a helluva player, but he’s been nowhere near that for three years now and there’s little reason to think that’s going to change. I sure as hell wouldn’t spend $ 8.5 M to find out.

    You can’t have an All-Star making $ 10 M plus at every position. Matt Holliday is better than Gardner, but he’s not $ 16.4 M a year better and that’s the difference in their salaries.

    The Yankees have won big with full-time DH and they’ve won big with shared DH duties. It’s a silly argument. It doesn’t matter if the same guy is there every day. With aging regulars it makes perfect sense to plan on a variety of players in that role for 2012.

    Montero 80 X, A-Rod 20 X, Jeter 20 X, Tex 20 X, Swish 10 X, Grandy 10 X and Cano 2 X

    That assume Montero can catch about 40-50 X

  79. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    BTW, Kevin Towers loves Betances. The Dbacks ownership is tight fisted. When the Dbacks are out of he playoff hunt next July, I can see towers dealing Upton. I don’t think he’ll be moved this offseason. He is making a run at NL MVP and the DBacks are taking the division and would not be surprised if they knock off the Phils in the first round.

  80. Giuseppe Franco September 10th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Sizemore at his best is a helluva player, but he’s been nowhere near that for three years now and there’s little reason to think that’s going to change. I sure as hell wouldn’t spend $ 8.5 M to find out.

    ———–

    Save your breath. There’s no point in trying to reason with Bret because he doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about.

    He somehow thinks Sizemore will return to his 2007 form and there’s very little chance he’ll ever be remotely close to that kind of player again.

    It’s a shame, too because he really was a helluva talent.

  81. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    tucker September 10th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Yeah, the DH production hasn’t been great. But that is largely because of Posada’s poor production. If you give Alex 30 games at dh and jeter 20 games next year, they hopefully can last 100? or so games in the field. Montero catches maybe 50 games next year and takes another 100 games at DH.

    Really, Alex and Jeter are the only older, everyday players in the starting lineup. The yanks are viewed as an older team (remember cliff lee’s comments last offseason?) but Tex, cano, grandy, martin and swisher our all of prime age. Gardner is getting there, and as we can see,’montero’s bat is ML ready. Cashman has done a phenomenal job of turning over this roster with prime-age talent.
    ============

    There is no doubt that pPosada dragged down the average for the DH slot on the Yanks. However, Arod and Tex actually did worse at DH than Posada, while Swisher, Montero, Chavez , and Jones have been the Yanks’ best DHs. With the exception of Swisher and Jeter, the Yanks best DHs were the dedicated DHs. Moreover, Posada is just another guy on the merry-go-round that they were trying to get ABs.

    The point is that using the DH slot as a resting spot doesn’t buy you much, because you are still removing a better bat in favor of a defensive substitution. For example, where do you hit Montero to give ARod a half-day? You can’t play Montero if ARod is the DH, and so, effectively you’ve swapped Montero for Nunez in the lineup. Obviously, it could be that you prefer A-Rod’s bat in the line-up over Moentero’s.

    However, it seems to me that if you want to give somebody the day off, just bite the bullet, give them a day off, and use them as a potential pinch-hitter.. The best reason that I can fathom for the DH merry-go-round is to save money on paying a full-time DH. This is certainly a valid reason to do it, but it doesn’t make the team much better. Girardi can easily rotate days off through the lineup without resorting to this half-day gimmick.

  82. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Ghostwriter —-

    What’s the difference? Either way a guy off the bench is going to make a start and by rule he will have to be in the lineup.

    I don’t see Montero in the lineup 162 times next year. I see him catching about a third of the games and DHing for about half. That leaves a lot of “half days off” for all the thirty somethings on the Yankees roster.

  83. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Ghostwriter, then who would you put at DH?

    There aren’t many full-time DHs putting up strong numbers. It’s a weakened position in post-PED baseball. Other than David Ortiz, and we can speculate what is driving his production.

    Assuming Montero can catch, I don’t see a problem with him catching while ARod or Jeter DHs. At max, I’d see ARod and Jeter DHing 40 to 45 games combined. They should also get plenty of days off. Of course, ARod has not proven over the last three years that he can get through a season healthy.

  84. Unnamedsource September 10th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Perhaps Chad or the posters here can fill in the gaps, for the sake of closure, on the current status of five organizational players whose names have been conspicuously absent from the news in recent weeks. Pardon me if I missed some news. I admit that I haven’t read every word of every post or comment.

    First, Marcus Thames. When the Yankees signed him again to a player contract in July of this year, I, like many fans, knew it was primarily to make it more likely that he would wear a Yankee cap when inducted into the Hall of Fame. Nevertheless, many fans, including me, jumped to the conclusion that he would actually make a cameo appearance in at least one game at sometime this year. Doesn’t look like that is going to happen. Any reason for his being Pavanoed? I don’t think he ever even went on the roster of any Yankee minor league team. Any news?

    Second, Mark Prior. I know that he last pitched in the Gulf Coast League on August 20 and is currently back on the minor league DL. Should we guess that the arm just won’t work anymore?

    Third, Kevin Whelan. Whelan is on the 40-man roster, so a September call-up would not have required a 40-man move. I believe that Whelan, Garrison, and Mesa are the only non-DL players from the 40-man who are not presently on the active major league roster. I know that Whelan had a bad outing earlier in the summer when he was called up. Have the Yankees given up on him? Are the Yankees afraid that he will get hold of the photographs that Mitre passed on to Garrison, Mesa, and Reegie Corona?

    Fourth, David Adams. Should we guess that the 2011 rehab did not go as planned or is it just slower than most rehabs?

    Fifth, Reegie Corona. I realize he sustained a very serious injury last year. Is there any projection as to when, if ever, he will be able to play in a minor league game again?

  85. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Ghostwriter —-

    What’s the difference? Either way a guy off the bench is going to make a start and by rule he will have to be in the lineup.

    I don’t see Montero in the lineup 162 times next year. I see him catching about a third of the games and DHing for about half. That leaves a lot of “half days off” for all the thirty somethings on the Yankees roster.
    =============================

    I would rather see the DH ABs primarily split between Montero and Martin, because Martin could be more of an offensive contributor with less work behind the plate. It also will keep Montero fresher through the course of the year. Catching 90 games will be a heck of a lot easier on Martin than catching 125… I think that this alone potentially constitutes a pretty big difference.

  86. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    I’ve written I expect Martin to catch about 2/3 of the time (108) which seems about right. Montero would get the other 54 in my universe with him DHing another 80 or so.

    I don’t like to DH the backup catcher if there’s not a credible emergency catcher on board.

    If Montero/Martin shared catcher/DH you need to keep Cervelli

  87. randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    “Please explain: What does Jeter lack to be a catcher? Jeter seems pretty tough and heady to me….”

    it’s hard to explain because it’s an intangible.

    the pain and hard work a catcher goes through each game is totally different than what a shortstop goes through . jeter is also too cheerful.most good catchers are grumpy or serious by nature. it’s not any one thing though.

    a catcher has to work really hard to be mentally and physically every pitch. and this is when he’s exhausted or hurt or banged up. jeter does this to an extent at shortstop, but the catcher runs more( sprints to back up first on ground balls when there are no runners in scoring position), throws more, and is hit by the ball, bat, and other players way more than the shortstop is.

    a good catcher attacks and embraces the difficulties. most good catchers like a good fight. munson and fisk come to mind. jeter? no he’s not going to take on the opposition in that way.
    posada was the defacto team co captain and he was the feisty one with other teams. pedro could have made fun all he wanted of jeter’s ears, but he’d never act like posada did in response.

    just because jeter would make a lousy catcher( and he would be), it doesn’t demean him as a great shortstop in any way.
    jeter would be the first to tell you that a player has to be a little crazy to go back there.

    montero has that little edge to him that catching suits him. mauer ironically doesn’t seem to have that edge to him especially as he turned into a super star player. montero may also outgrow the catcher position, but i think the yankees could have him back there for a good ten years if they redefine the position and have him play no more than 80 full games as catcher.

  88. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    have a day all… I’m outa here

  89. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    One last comment — Randy ! — I completely agree.

    I caught one game and knew I never would do it again! Of course I’m a lefty, but to me catching is like opera — you either love it or you hate it.

    now I’m done

  90. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
    =====

    Nice post. I think that you’re probably right about Jeter’s disposition, Catchers should be somewhat pugnacious (at least stereotypically), and I don’t see Jeter doing that.

  91. randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    “If Montero/Martin shared catcher/DH you need to keep Cervelli”

    for how few times something happens to the starting catcher and he has to leave the game, it’s not that big of a deal to lose the dh and have the pitcher hit. though you would want a deep bench for pinch hitting and a deep bullpen. the yankees seem to have this.

    the upside of having monetro in there hitting when martin would catch is way more than the downside of occasionally losing the dh for part of a game.

  92. randy l. September 10th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    86w183-

    one lefty on the yankees who might make a good catcher would be swisher. he’s not grumpy in left field, but he’s crazy enough to be a catcher. and bang him up a little and he might get in touch with his edgy side :)

    i really see no reason why lefties can’t catch.

  93. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Randy, no doubt posada’s toughness will be greatly missed. Peteabe made a valid point in 2008. No injury hurt more that year than the loss of Posada. He was the clubhouse enforcer.

    Jeter always has been friendly to opposing players. Yet he has become even more chatty on the field in the last couple of years. I think he is trying too hard to fulfill his role as baseball’s poster child in the post-steroid era.

    The Yanks need a new enforcer. Tex can be pretty intense on the field, but he doesn’t rise to the level of Posada intensity. Hopefully, Montero can be that guy who fills that role.

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