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Martin: “He looked as good as he has all year”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night, Russell Martin saw something familiar in Bartolo Colon. He saw the same fastball that made Colon and reliable and occasionally dominant starter in the first half of the season.

“He had really good late movement on his fastball,” Martin said. “And when he was really good, he was locating that pitch really well. He looked as good as he has all year.”

For a while, the Yankees seemed to have caught lightning in a bottle with Colon. He spent the first couple months of the season pitching like a legitimate No. 2 starter. He didn’t look washed up. Didn’t seem past his prime. Didn’t need to worry about his spot in the rotation.

Then the lightning was gone.

From July 7 through August 23, Colon had a 5.21 ERA. Opponents were hitting .311 against him, and there was legitimate reason to worry whether the workload was finally catching up to him.

In his past three starts, though, Colon’s been much better. He’s pitched into the seventh inning in each of those three outings, and his fastball has regained some of that early season control and movement.

“He’s looked better as of late,” Joe Girardi said. “Sometimes guys are going to go through little hiccups during the season, but he’s started to pitch better. Physically he looks pretty good again, so that’s important.”

As the Yankees sort out their rotation, Colon is his own sort of wild card. He hasn’t dealt with Phil Hughes’ injury problems or A.J. Burnett’s steady disappointment, but he’s dealt with more innings than he’s thrown in six years. There’s always that looming threat of an expiration date. If nothing else, last night Colon proved he’s not finished just yet.

“I feel like in the beginning of the season,” he said. “The location of the pitch was the same thing. My command was really good today… What I did today is the location of my sinker was really, really good. Every time I command that way, I will pitch the same way I was pitching the first half.”

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127 Responses to “Martin: “He looked as good as he has all year””

  1. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Bartolo with the controlo = deadly.

    Good news.

    P.S. I thought he might want revenge against his old team.

    ;)

  2. RadioKev September 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    So will that Cliff Lee trade go down as one
    of the most infamous trades in this century?

  3. pkyankfan69 September 10th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    RadioKev September 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am
    So will that Cliff Lee trade go down as one
    of the most infamous trades in this century?
    ——————————-

    Not for Seattle…. Smoak >>> Montero LMAO

  4. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Jim K -

    Yes indeed Baltimore played those 3 games under the same conditions. And in the final two extra innings games, it really came down to, the last team to make a mistake loses the game. They didn’t exactly play great baseball either.

    I also throw in the the “Buck Showalter” factor and the fact that some of those guys were playing for the ML futures.

  5. Villa Nova-Ya September 10th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Hey, Seattle’s loss was our gain. Everything happens for a reason. I believe even Cashman said that even though he would have made that original trade, he was glad that in the end he didn’t have to.

    Baseball gods are sometimes friendly.

  6. Yankee Trader September 10th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    So will that Cliff Lee trade go down as one
    of the most infamous trades in this century?
    ———————————–
    Who’s Cliff Lee?? :)

    Yankees remaining schedule with one day off, the 15th and 6 games remaining against Tampa, 3 against the RS. Yankees will need to earn their way to the divisional title and home field advantage.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

  7. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    It appears that the Sux are banged up and reeling now. Even with the tough recent schedule now is a good time to try and put the pedal to the metal and bury them and win the AL East. The Rays smell blood and can very well sweep to help themselves and us out.

    Girardi can rest his regs all he wants after we put them away. Go Yankees & CC ! !

  8. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    YT

    Are you still in Maine?

    The weather has been real nice the last couple of days.

  9. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I don’t think many teams doubted Montero could hit. They doubted he could catch.

    That’s what kept them away.

    They didn’t want a great hitting DH.

    They may turn out to be wrong on both accounts.

    And we turn out to dodge a bullet.

    Keep in mind that Cliff Lee isn’t chopped liver.

    Take a look at what he done for Philly this year.

    Things sometimes work out for the best in any case.

    I’m glad we have Jesus. He’ll rake for years and hopefully will be a serviceable catcher.

  10. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Trader:

    How’s the lobster ? Lobster bisque soup ? ? Yum, a scarcity out here.

  11. Yankee Trader September 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Maine-

    Finally got to get to the beach yesterday. Am leaving out of Portland late this afternoon. It was a short 5 day stay in your beautiful state!

  12. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Lobster’s always good. :D

  13. pat September 10th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Everyone looks out of sync. People are saying the players are tired but the players aren’t saying that.

    The past week has reminded me alot of previous postseasons where there feels like there is no rhythm. Odd start times, staggered gaps in scheduling, unfamiliar travel scheduling.

    Players are creatures of habit and benefit from the familiar- especially a veteran team. They seem like they need four 7:05 starts followed by a Saturday and Sunday 1:05 start to get them back into a rhythm.

  14. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    I’d kill for a nice 5 lb. lobster.

    :)

  15. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Yankee Trader September 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am
    Maine-

    Finally got to get to the beach yesterday. Am leaving out of Portland late this afternoon. It was a short 5 day stay in your beautiful state!

    ——————————————————————–

    I’m glad you finally had some good weather and like it here.

    Did you go to Two Lights or Portland Headlight?

  16. pkyankfan69 September 10th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Imagine if we trade for Cliff and then he left for Philly at the end of the season.
    Montero for a rental player. The Steinbrenners would have sent Cashman down to Guantanamo.

  17. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Pat-

    Or a few days off.

    ;)

  18. Yankee Trader September 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Gotta go and pack.

    Everyone have a safe weekend.

  19. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:22 am
    I’d kill for a nice 5 lb. lobster.

    ————————————————————

    5 one pounders would be better.

    Sweeter and not so tough.

  20. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    The Montero era looks like it’s underway.

    :)

  21. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Whatever you say Maine.

    Can you hook me up ?

    :)

  22. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Safe trip back YT.

  23. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:25 am
    Whatever you say Maine.

    Can you hook me up ?

    ———————————————————–

    For a sweet price. :lol:

  24. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Tough luck for the ‘Mad Russian’, would he like a lift to the hospital before the season ends ? :-)

    ‘Red Sox manager Terry Francona said Youkilis been diagnosed with bursitis in his sore left hip, the Boston Globe reports. Meanwhile, baseball sources told the Globe that Youkilis has been diagnosed with a sports hernia and will require offseason surgery’.

    Courtesy: Rotowire

  25. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    MY-

    How about a trade ? Barter ?

    I can make you a heck of a deal on a vacation destination.

    :)

  26. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Lobster’s always good. :D

    ==========

    Have you had your fill ?

  27. The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    The Yankees and Red Sucks are just pathetic.

    They both will get crushed by the Phillies.

  28. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    MTU

    They’ve been cheaper this year than in a long time.

    3.99lb for one pounders.

    Apt to be at least 5.99 to 6.99

  29. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    VY-

    Sounds like the ugly is spreading.

    Tough break.

    :)

  30. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    As much Value as Montero could have sticking as a catcher……he seriously could be the type bat you don’t want being beaten to a pulp back there on a nightly basis.

    The yanks should use him at C/DH for now when he’s young …..but knowing that 1B is gonna be open when he’s around 26

  31. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Have you had your fill ?

    ————————————————-

    Never can have enough.

    I’ve eaten 5 in 1 sitting before.

  32. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Maine-

    Lobster with melted butter and a brewski is straight from heaven.

    :)

  33. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    Maybe that’s just what the Yankees are thinking.

    ;)

  34. 108 stitches September 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Colon should have been at least a 13-game winner at this point.

  35. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    MTU

    Going to a rock pile isn’t my idea of a vacation destination. :lol:

  36. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Maine-

    It’s all I got.

    :(

  37. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    MTU,

    He’s special…..

  38. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Disappointing to lose now3 games in a row, but at least Colon pitched well. Unlike others, I have maintained that colon should be among the four post season starters….true he hasn’t not been great, but he has earned that spot after his year….also, no way do I want either Hughes or aj starting. It is up to the Yankees to keep this guy fresh, so they should skip him a start or two

  39. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    MTU

    My wife thinks she would like to see it so maybe.

    We ate at Longhorns last night and I looked at the pictures to see if it said photography by MTU but didn’t see any.

  40. JimK September 10th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    YT

    Yankees have 7 games remaining with the Rays, which includes a make-up game on the 21st.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/schedule/in.....1&m=9

  41. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Blake-

    Like a 38 ?

    Yes. Looks like a natural. The stance reminds me of….. wait for it….Pujols.

    :)

  42. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Nothing like crying in my Raisin Bran on a Saturday morn. Poor Sux. :-(

  43. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    If Colon pitches like he’s capable then he will be in the rotation……the ability never was in question…..just the amount of gas in the tank.

  44. The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    In a Parallel World, after the last 3 days, the Yankees now stand 6 games up in the loss column over the Red Sucks.

    Also, there, 9/11 didn’t happen, Yankees won the 2001, 2004, and 2007 World Series.

    I hope will be able to move to that World soon.

  45. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Maine-

    I always knew your wife was the one with style.

    I’m glad she’s around to show you the errors of your ways and to learn you a thing or two.

    If I had to sell my pics I’d starve. I am glad you enjoy them though.
    Everyone turns into Picasso out here.

  46. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Stance is a little Pujolsish the way he uses his legs and his base…….swing has some Miggy Cabrera it though the way he stays inside the ball and the way he just has easy power all over the field……he could develop into the type hitter that has no place for pitchers to pitch him……

  47. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    This is the time of year that players wear down from the grind of the season.

    The good ones then get their second wind that carrys into the playoffs.

  48. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Maine, Little Round Top was awesome

  49. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Blake, even a gassed Colon is a better option

  50. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Blake-

    Montero seems to have some serious natural gifts.

    The league will adjust and he will have to adjust back.

    The hitting tool smacks you in the face.

    :)

  51. jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    From July 7 through August 23, Colon had a 5.21 ERA. Opponents were hitting .311 against him, and there was legitimate reason to worry whether the workload was finally catching up to him.

    Classic cherry picking. Why July 7 through August 23? Well because on July 2 he pitched 6 innings allowing *0* earned runs. Because on August 28 he pitched 7.2 innings allowing only *2* earned runs. And between July 7 and August 23 he made 9 starts, within those starts was a stretch of 5 starts in a row he did not allow more than *2* earned runs.

    What pitcher doesn’t have some bad starts?

    Colon has a 3.55 ERA and it hasn’t been above 3.86 since he became a starter.

  52. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    MTU

    Even though my wifes a school teacher she can’t seem to larn me much.

    I don’t think she’ll quit trying though.

    She hasn’t figured out it’s a lost cause.

  53. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Betsy,

    I don’t necessarily think so……hopefully he wont be though so it wont matter.

  54. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    Maine, Little Round Top was awesome

    ——————————————————-

    I was just about to ask you how it was going.

    More to see there than one trip can encompass.

  55. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Maine-

    I liked it when she hung out on the blog with you.

    Welcome to the club, by the way.

    :)

  56. JimK September 10th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    If Colon pitches like he’s capable then he will be in the rotation……the ability never was in question…..just the amount of gas in the tank.

    The next three weeks are auditions for the game 2 starter and right now Colon has the edge over Nova and Garcia.

  57. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    MTU,

    Yea he’ll struggle some…..but I think the fact the he has went through some struggles in the minors will help him…..and also having so many great players to learn from as well.

    He’s faced some of the best pitching in the league……and looks totally comfortable and in rythm in his ABs……Im a little surprised by that to he honest……I expected more ugly swings and ugly ABs to go along with the production…..that may still come at some point …..but so far so good. I really thought Weaver would give him problems…..

  58. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 10th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    It’s time to put together a winning streak. All 3 of these losses were very winnable games. The sooner we put the BoStanx and the rest of the “field” in the dust, the better.

  59. blake September 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Id like to see a blow out victory tonight and Betances get an inning…..is that too much to ask? :)

  60. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    MTU

    She’s a steath reader.

    Sneaks in but does’t want to be noticed.

    Quite shy.

    Kinda like me. :lol:

  61. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Blake-

    Me too.

    But it turned out to be the other way round.

    I like the way he’ll take a pitch and not just go up there hacking.

    Seems like he has some smarts too. He guessed right on that dinger.

    Shows he’s thinking too.

    He hit every ball hard.

  62. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Maine, we are in philly now. The battlefield was incredible …we had a guide in our car for three hours and I can see how military buffs could spend years there. It was amazing to see places that I have read about..our guide told us that they are trying to change the battlefield to look like it did at the time…cutting down trees etc….

  63. pat September 10th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    A few things I thought of during last nights game…….

    Montero has the potential to be an “aura” player.
    Maybe it’s the shiny new toy syndrome at work and the newness will wear off but you want to stop doing what you’re doing and watch his ABs. He appears to have “put butts in the seats” potential.

    2 late inning tie games that Alex has worked a walk as the winning run. Pitchers still seem to be respecting the possibility of what he can do even if he is doing it less lately.

  64. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Maine-

    Yeah. Just like you. A real wall flower.

    :)

  65. blake September 10th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    MTU,

    Im.trying not to get too excited…..it is after all a small sample and all…..but he looks like he was born to swing the lumbar.

  66. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    I’m going to go further back with Montero. To me his swing looks just like Dale Murphy’s.

    Tall guy with natural power to RCF.

    The 6-man thing is probably helping Colon more than anyone else. Would feel much better about post-season pitching matchups if he and Nova are on track.

  67. jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I’d like to see Betances with some major league video quality as well.

  68. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Blake-

    That’s lumber.

    Although he does swing his lumbar too.

    Don’t feel bad though. Maine can’t spell stealth.

    ;)

  69. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    With the condition of the RS pitching and the callups not being much they could possibly be in jeopardy of making the playoffs.

    Bedard has been sent back to Boston with a lat strain and the knee he had surgery on is bothering.

    Youk has bursitis in the hip and a sports hernia that may require surgery in the offseason.

    The BP is getting abused because of the weakness of the starters.

    Pedroia is in a slump and Gonzo hasn’t been as big a force as was expected.

    And of course they have really missed the bat of Nancy Drew. :D

  70. blake September 10th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Yea I see the Dale Murohey comp a little bit…..loved Dale (who is all over twitter by the way….wouldn’t expect that)

  71. blake September 10th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    MTU,

    I meant like throw out pitchers lumbars when they then attempt to avoid the missiles he hits ;)

  72. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Don’t feel bad though. Maine can’t spell stealth.

    ——————————————————

    I told you my wife couldn’t teach me.

  73. 86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Speling iz vastlie overraytud

  74. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    86w183 September 10th, 2011 at 10:08 am
    Speling iz vastlie overraytud

    ———————————————————————-

    I think GB7 would agree.

  75. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Maine-

    Why do you think my Wife likes it every time when I go off into the Desert ?

    Think she hopes I make it back ?

    :)

    Blake-

    Gotcha.

    ;)

  76. jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    .271/.347/.473/.820

    .222/.325/.457/.782

    Those are the slash lines for two Yankees vs rhp this year. Can you name them?

    Hint: both are switch hitters

  77. MTU September 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    The Mops want to walk me.

    Back later.

  78. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    For all that doesn’t like AJ the RS have their own pitcher problem (Lackey) for more years than the Yankees have AJ.

    I could see a tv in the SB from my table last night and it was easy to tell it wasn’t going well for the RS just by Lackey’s body langue.

    The RS had a good excuse to get him out early because he got hit in the leg with a batted ball.

  79. The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Seven (7!) game winning streak for the Tigers!

    They will pass the Yanks and Sucks very soon.

  80. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    So is Jarhead going to stick with this stupid 6 man rotation until the end of the year, so a full 33% of the time we play, we’ll have a pitcher that pretty much stinks, instead of only 20% of the time, if he was smart enough to go back to a 5 man rotation? That only really stands to lose us an extra 2-3 games between now and the end of the year. I guess it’s a good thing we have a nice 10 game lead over anyone close to us….uh, wait, HOLD ON!….WE DON’T ! What Now, JOE ?

  81. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    .271/.347/.473/.820: Posada

    .222/.325/.457/.782: Tex

  82. nickjohnson September 10th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    @ Bellamo: its more important to get to the playoffs rested and healthy. At this point, playoffs are practically guaranteed. Although home field would be nice…

    I found this quiz on Sporcle, not sure if I can post it, but I though it was amusing.

    http://www.sporcle.com/games/J.....year-20141

  83. jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 10:23 am
    jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    .271/.347/.473/.820: Posada

    .222/.325/.457/.782: Tex

    Yup. :)

    Po gets a lot of criticism but his slash line vs rhp is not really bad. Although he has been inconsistent.

    So you could put Posada at 1b for a game here and there if you wanted to keep Montero in the lineup. Yes I know his defense is nothing like Tex’s. It’s a tradeoff.

  84. nickjohnson September 10th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    ^ guess the Yankees lineup…in 2014

    http://www.sporcle.com/games/J.....year-20141

  85. blake September 10th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    You have to keep Tex in the lineup because of his defense and because he still hits a lot of homers from the left side……he just should be hitting 6th vs RHP instead of 3rd.

  86. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Here are some rapid fire notes.

    * Even with three right-handers starting for the Angels expect Jesus Montero to get a couple of DH stints this weekend, maybe even more. Girardi said he doesn’t want to sit Montero too much. He is in the lineup on Friday against Jered Weaver.

    * Girardi said that Phil Hughes or A.J. Burnett could be in the bullpen this weekend. Hughes told me (as of 5 PT) he hadn’t been told anything. Anyway, with CC Sabathia going on Saturday, it may be a non-issue. Hughes is staying at his parents place, which is 10 minutes from Angels Stadium. Last year, he stayed there when he was an All-Star. His situation is a little different these days.

    * The Yankees lost Lance Pendleton to the Astros. It is probably better for Lance because Girardi didn’t even know about it until I asked him during the pregame.

    * Francisco Cervelli was in the original lineup, but was replaced by Russell Martin. A Yankees spokesman said nothing is wrong with Cervelli.

    * Jim Leyrtiz was on the field during the pregame. He spoke with Robinson Cano, among others. Leyritz was pitching coach for the Independent League Newark Bears this year.

  87. jacksquat September 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    blake September 10th, 2011 at 10:36 am
    You have to keep Tex in the lineup because of his defense and because he still hits a lot of homers from the left side……he just should be hitting 6th vs RHP instead of 3rd.

    Oh, I agree, I was just pointing out that you could slip Posada into the lineup *occassionally* at 1b instead of DH. Although doubt Joe will do it unless Tex is hurting.

  88. Betsy September 10th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    This is from espn Yankees blog …I had a hard time copying the link

    Well they should just make the decision and be done with it

  89. Yankees_Fan September 10th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    We have been so fortunate with our rotation. A big unknown when the season started, the rotation has been more than solid, with the great comeback of Bartolo, the consistency of Freddy, the maturity of Ivan and of course, the lead of C.C. I was optimistic but still had my doubts at first, but this guys have given me reasons to believe we can really win it all.

    A toast for what was supposed to be one of the worst rotations in the majors and the cause for us to miss the playoffs. Look how curious things work out!

    Cheers!

  90. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    This is a quote from the Extra Bases blog.

    ” A scout at the game tonight said he had no life in his arm and he was tipping his changeup.”

    This was about Lackey.

    Are the wheels falling off?

  91. The Mercury Strikes Back September 10th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Tonight:

    Kyle Weiland (6.75 ERA) versus Jeremy Hellickson (2.90 ERA)

    —————

    I predict Weiland will beat Hellickson with a superb start.

    You can’t explain baseball.

  92. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    nickjohnson September 10th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    ^ guess the Yankees lineup…in 2014

    http://www.sporcle.com/games/J…..year-20141
    ============

    Nice link. That was a fun game. I got 14 out of 15. However, I disagree about a couple of their choices. First, Jeter is under contract through 2014, making him the likely Yankee shortstop in 2014 (although this is not necessarily a slam dunk).

    Second, I don’t expect to see Hughes in the rotation in 2014. I think that there is a very strong likelihood that Hughes will be gone by then. I think that the Yanks have too many other options for starting pitchers in their system to keep Hughes until his walk year. I think that the clock is ticking on him, and if yhe doesn’t show significant progress in 2012, then his days with the Yanks are numbered.

    Whoever made up that roster is very sanguine about the Yankee farm system! The odds of that lineup actually being together for more than 30 games in 2014 are extremely remote.

  93. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    This is a quote from the Extra Bases blog.

    ” A scout at the game tonight said he had no life in his arm and he was tipping his changeup.”

    This was about Lackey.

    Are the wheels falling off?
    =========

    Mine,

    Whose scout said that? Sox? Yanks? Other, Unknown?

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    She pasted that entire ESPN blurb just to be able to
    to include the slam against Hughes. I have never seen a more obsessive hatred for a player – or a so called Yankee fan actually hope for a player to fail. Pathetic.

  95. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    It’s seems odd that a catcher would be a pitching coach.

  96. Yankees_Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I want to say something about the tendency of hyping a pitcher who just threw a good game as our #2.

    I think we have three pitchers cappable of being our #2: Nova, Colon and Garcia. All have had their struggles at some point, but all in all, most of their starts have been excellent, not only keeping the team in the game, but holding leads even when the offense has gone anemic.

    Joe has a great problem to have: how to work your order. Ivan Nova has looket like the best pitcher outside C.C. with his recent winning streak and his composure when dealing with trouble. But he is still a rookie, so, do you put the pressure of #2 in him? Game 3 is a vital game in any series; do you trust him that one?

    Do you go with veteran savy? Colon seems to be the best mixture of good stuff, good location and experience. His only real question mark is his health, but so far so great. Will he be skipped at least once for rest? Either way, if he is healthy, he may be the best case for #2, but maybe for #3 too. You could manage for strategy here. Would you go 3 or 4 starers?

    Freddy has also been steady beyond expectations to the point that it may represent the first time in a while NY has had such a solid option as a #4 in the playoffs. You can expect him to keep the team in the game enough to win. His stuff isn’t as great as others, but he really knows how to pitch. He has been so steady, I would’t be surprised to see him at #2, which makes he situation intriguing.

    After CC, which would be yur order and why?

  97. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    She pasted that entire ESPN blurb just to be able to
    to include the slam against Hughes. I have never seen a more obsessive hatred for a player – or a so called Yankee fan actually hope for a player to fail. Pathetic.
    =========

    Hugely ironic post. Thanks. for the chuckle.

  98. CountryClub September 10th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Montero reminds of victor Martinez. I see his career path being very similar when it comes to catheter/1st base. And while we all hope he has a generational bat, I’m sure we’d be very happy with Martinez type production.

  99. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Jesus Montero’s trade value this offseason will be as high as Joba’s in the 2007 offseason. Just sayin’. Joba was one of the most valuable commodities in all of baseball.

  100. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Yankees_Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I want to say something about the tendency of hyping a pitcher who just threw a good game as our #2.

    ==============

    They are all close as you suggest. I would pick based on matchups, venue, who has the hot hand, and to set up the rest of the rotation.

  101. CountryClub September 10th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    I think colon will be the 2 as long as he’s solid down the stretch and I think nova will be the 3 and Garcia the 4. You can flip flop the last two, but I think they’ll stick the soft tosser last.

  102. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Ghostwriter

    They didn’t identify the scout.

  103. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    If Colon and Garcia finish the season healthy then Burnett is booted off the island. We’re almost there.

  104. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    If the Yankees dealt Phil Hughes would any fans really feel worried at all about facing him? I think the eyes of the hitters in this lineup would light up. Cano would drool.

  105. JM September 10th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I also expected Jesus to be overmatched against Weaver, who, when he’s on last night, is one of the best pitchers in baseball. But he wasn’t…..The kid is definitely special.

    As for the rest of the team, well I suppose if they had to slump at some point before the end of the season they picked a good time, with the wheels falling off the Sox bandwagon. But the schedule doesn’t get any easier. They have to find a way to turn things around.

    And could Joe please give up on Laffey? I think he’s failed the audition. More than once.

  106. LGY September 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Bret

    Would you trade Montero for IPK?

  107. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am
    If the Yankees dealt Phil Hughes would any fans really feel worried at all about facing him? I think the eyes of the hitters in this lineup would light up. Cano would drool.

    ———————————————————————————————

    I think many sold IPK short and look how well he’s doing.

    You can say it’s in the NL but that doesn’t change the fact that he has turned into a sucessful ML pitcher.

    It’s to soon to decide what Phil will turn into.

    I do think this next year will be his make or break year.

  108. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    If the Yankees dealt Phil Hughes would any fans really feel worried at all about facing him? I think the eyes of the hitters in this lineup would light up. Cano would drool.
    ==============

    I’m sure that I wasn’t the only fan that was unconcerned about the possibility of the Yanks facing Kenny Rogers after they let him walk.

  109. disco stu September 10th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Would sure be nice if the Yankees could get back in the win column again … 3 straight days of wasting chances to widen their lead in the division is a little frustrating … but it is what it is.

    Feel good with CC on the mound … Haren is tough though, but the matchup favors the Bombers … a nice 5-2 win with Mo moving within 1 save of 600 would make for a nice Saturday night … here’s hoping.

  110. Ghostwriter September 10th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    The Red Sox must be breathing a sigh of relief as they check out the standings in the AL East this morning.

  111. raymagnetic September 10th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    LGY,

    Would you trade Brett Gardner for Melky Cabrera :???:

  112. LGY September 10th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Ray

    No way. Why do you ask?

  113. raymagnetic September 10th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    LGY,

    Just curious since you unequivocally stated that Melky sucks and he’s having a MUCH better year at the plate than your boy.

  114. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Bret

    Are you suggesting the Yankees should trade their good young players at their peak?

    George tried that and it didn’t work to well.

    They are in the position to be self reliant so other teams can’t hold them hostage in a trade.

    Why would they want to go away from that?

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    The Hughes situation is crystal clear to me. There are injury issues, not a lack of talent issues. After being drafted in 2004, Hughes was declared to be a premium prospect with number one, ace stuff and rightly so. But he has been injured numerous times since then.

    2004 – Phil shut down, elbow stiffness, the day after his first start in the Yankee system.
    2004 – Phil breaks his toe running in the hallway of his hotel to answer his cell phone.
    2005 – To the disabled list with shoulder tendinitis.
    2007 – Hamstring pull during no-hit effort against Texas. (hitter was Teixeira)
    2007 – Ankle sprain during rehabilitation.
    2008 – Strained oblique and stress fracture to his rib.
    2010/11 – Shoulder inflammation and dead arm.

    The Yankees are right not to give up on someone like Hughes at 25 years of age. 2012 will be a huge year for him IMO, another setback due to a significant injury at 26 might result in the Yankee organization writing him off as an injury-prone lost cause.

  116. LGY September 10th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I said Melky sucked last year when he was one of the worst players in MLB and always thought Brett would be the better player for the Yankees. So I was happy they traded him and gave Brett a chance in 2010.

    He’s having a pretty good season but I haven’t changed my opinion at all about rather having Gritner.

  117. MaineYankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    If then Yankees want to upgrade LF they can do better than Melky.

  118. raymagnetic September 10th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    No LGY, you said Melky sucks earlier THIS year. You said he still sucks. You probably don’t remember because you say a lot of players suck.

  119. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Doubtful, The Sux are on life support, Beckett, Bedard, Pukilis, Lowrie, Bucholz, Drew are hurting. BP is being taxed now due to the lack of SP.

    ** Pedroia is hitting .100 (3-for-30 with only one extra base hit)
    ** Pukilis .185
    ** Salty and Varitek .178
    ** Crawford .238

    Above is over the last week. The Rays have a good chance to sweep imo, as they smell blood in the water and can gain some serious ground. Yankees need to play the A Team and get some wins to distance themselves from the Sux while they flounder.

  120. LGY September 10th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Ok???

    Melky sucks. Does that make you feel better? What’s your angle here?

    And since when do I say a lot of players suck? When was the last time you even posted here to know that?

  121. Vineyard Yankee September 10th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan September 10th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Is the navy blue and white sock clean, pressed and ready to go ? Don’t slop any mustard on it. :wink:

  122. Bret The Hitman September 10th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Maine,

    I understand your point but I still want to see how IPK does in the playoffs. The NL West is the weakest division in baseball.

    Nevertheless, IPK has never really had such a limited arsenal like Phil Hughes. He throws fastball, slider, change.

    The Yankees have given Phil Hughes years to learn new pitches but so far Phil’s cutter and change are show-me pitches. How much more evidence do they need? Look how quickly Nova learned an effective slider – something Hughes can’t seem to do. It took Nova not years but a brief one-month stint in AAA.

    With CC, Nova, Betances, Banuelos and somebody from the 2012 free agent class, the Yankees can easily cut ties with Phil Hughes.

  123. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Bret, IPK has been phenomenal. He has to be the NL CY Young favorite. The diamondbacks may be a team that gives Philly a hard fine in the first round.’ They are among the hottest teams in baseball. We’ll see if IPK keeps up his dominant streak hrough the playoffs. Philly has been playing pressure-’free games since April. It cost them last year. We’ll see soon whether they can turn it on as the annointed team of the NL. We all know how the annointed team of the AL (Sox) is struggling.

  124. tucker September 10th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    The lack of depth in the Sox system is really being exposed right now. Their system has not produced a starting pitcher since Buccholz. The yanks system, meanwhile, has churned out many usable pitchers: Robertson, nova, noesi, etc.

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