Romine making an early impression
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc, Podcast on Sep 13, 2011 
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Yesterday afternoon, at around 1 p.m., Austin Romine had no idea whether he was going to make his first big league start against the Mariners, and he wouldn’t find out for another three or four hours. But he got to Safeco Field just in case.
“I was the first guy on the bus,” he said. “Me and Hector Noesi. I wanted to make sure I was the first guy here… I didn’t know if I was starting or not, but I wanted to be prepared. I hadn’t hit in a week, hadn’t thrown a ball since — well, yesterday — but I hadn’t thrown since six days from then. I wanted to get here and get everything out of the way.
“I got in the cage with K-Long and hit a little bit, then I was in the video room for two or three hours. I just wanted to make sure, if I was starting, if I was going to get in, I didn’t want to make a mistake. I wanted to know how to pitch every single batter.”
He’s been in the big leagues less than 48 hours, but Romine seems to be making a quick impression on the coaches and players around him.
“Crash course for him,” Joe Girardi said. “For a 22-year-old, really impressive. There aren’t many 22-year-old catchers that are in the big leagues. He’s been real impressive… I think the hardest thing for young players is to slow the game down, and he’s been able to do that because he’s been able to follow the plan.”
Said Phil Hughes: “He’s really good back there. I’ve had him a couple of times in spring training, a couple of times in rehab starts. He’s very advanced behind the plate. Calls a good game, gives a real good target and it was nice to see him get his first Major League hit, too.”
He’s barely played above Double-A, so it’s hard to handicap Romine’s chances of sticking around and winning a bench job in October, but the Yankees seem to like him and trust him. He certainly doesn’t seem to be out of the mix.
“I felt like I was ready for it,” he said. “Nothing really caught me off guard. These guys really helped me out, what to expect, where to go, what to do… It really hasn’t processed. I kind of don’t want it to because it keeps me going.”
Here’s Romine.
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Nice support from Phil! I love this stuff. It’s so fun to see the young guys succeed, and their enthusiasm is so contagious. I’m sure it has a terrific impact on all those tired, beat up veterans.
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Proctor has a 6.49 ERA this season.
I’m not sure why anyone would think he’s more reliable than a young kid simply because he has the scars the show he went to battle with Joe The Great Destroyer of Arms Torre in a time long ago and in a place we now know as Yankee Stadium II.
” I believe that certain personalities thrive better in certain locales than others, and I do believe that Kennedy is someone who does better in a more mellow environment. JMO.”
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Totally agree.
Romine must be walking on air-he’s having quite the week.
I wonder if his parents were able to travel to Seattle to see his first hit.
“Trisha-
Good morning. As many of us on the east coast were staying up late in what was a 9-1 game at the time, most wanted to see Betances or even Brackman come in to pitch the next inning before retiring for the night.
I’ve seen enough of Proctor pitching for the Braves that I turned off the broadcast and went to sleep.”
Morning Trader.
I too stayed up and watched the game. Since I’ve had laptop issues (soon to be over) and my desktop isn’t in a room where I have DTV, I haven’t been a steady game-time poster. For the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post, I had no difficulty with the way Girardi managed last night’s game. If the Yankees had just waltzed through several games and were in a blow out, I would be very surprised if you wouldn’t have seen some of the callups in games. But that isn’t the case. Because the Sux continue to stink, the Yankees didn’t lose ground. But they didn’t make up a lot when they were also losing.
I do believe that when the time is right you will definitely see some of the callups get innings. Even though it was a blow out last night, the time was not right because the team had been on a losing streak. I swear Girardi knows what he’s doing, even if it isn’t always apparent. The regulars are the ones who went through that losing streak, when the team was on fumes. They, I’m sure, have been as upset about losing those games as many of their fans were. They need to feel good about winning as a team again and last night was the game for that to happen.
From NY Daily News:
Romine entered the game in the bottom of the seventh, taking over for Montero as a defensive replacement. He caught Rafael Soriano, Dave Robertson and Mariano Rivera for one inning apiece, protecting the Yankees’ one-run lead to help seal the victory.
“I had a million things thrown at me at one time,” Romine said of his arrival. “They were showing me pictures of hitters and counts and stuff like that. I just took a deep breath and treated it like spring training. I’d caught all these guys before and I’d played (at Angel Stadium) before, so the comfort level was higher than I thought it was going to be. I just took a deep breath and didn’t think.”
For Romine, the chance to make his big-league debut was exciting enough. Doing it 10 minutes down the road from his hometown of Lake Forest was an added bonus. Having his brother, Andrew, in the opposing dugout – he’s a utility infielder for the Angels – and nearly 30 friends and family members in the ballpark? Icing on the cake
What a day. What a first 36 hours in the bigs, to be thrown into a meaningful game, having to absorb all that.
They should allow the catchers to have a receiver in their “hockey” style masks to receive instructions, much like the QB’s
LGY, maybe I feel a little protectiveness toward Proctor and want him to succeed because of the way The Destroyer basically tried to jettison his career. You know I’m like that.
LGY – You’re right. And so is everyone else on this board that wants to see anyone other than Proctor pitching in those spots where the game is already out of reach for the opponent. I get why people see it as nit-picking after a great win… but we’re watching guys like Romine, Montero, Noesi and to a lesser degree Nova make impacts on our team after being given the chance to do so. All we want is for some of the other young arms to get the same chance… especially in situations like last night where there is VERY LITTLE to lose.
Does anyone here believe Proctor’s a difference maker? Does anyone think he has the potential to be one? We’ve learned everything about Proctor’s potential already, much like we have with AJ. Go baby Yanks!!
Villa, I agree about Soriano.
Shame, I don’t think Joe has a reluctance to put the young arms in. I think this forum has a reluctance to always look at circumstances and try to understand the bigger picture.
And you should know by now that it isn’t ever what “we” want that takes the day, it’s what the organization believes is the best thing for the team at any point in time.
Smart money goes with it without missing a beat.
The Yankees just beat King Felix!!! In a game that wasn’t even close! Phil worked into and back out of trouble, and only gave up one run!! Young catcher Romine called a good game and got his first MLB hit! The Yankees have their largest lead of the whole season!! Be happy Yankee people
Trisha
One thing I can say for Proctor’s veteraness.
Through much practice he has perfected the Hulk Smash after giving up a HR.
Wang-
Response in previous thread.
I always liked Scott Proctor and yes, I thought Torre abused him. That being said, he’s already proven that, this year at least, he’s mediocre at best. Why not try out some of the youngsters to see if they can do better?
I don’t think Proctor’s going to be on the playoff roster, either.
I’m glad I was blissfully unaware of this latest controversy. I like to sleep too much.
I’m sure Girardi had his reasons for not brining in Betances or Brackman.
“You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowin”.”
Bob Dylan.
What Kate said.
LGY –
I don’t really care who gets into games and who doesn’t. It doesn’t matter a whit to me. But I can easily understand why Girardi managed last night’s game they way he did. If the Yanks had been on a 5-game winning streak and were in a 9-1 game and he managed the way he did last night, then I could at least understand the questioning. But not based on the previous 5 or so games.
“Mop up men mop up.”
Joe Girardi
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Shame, I don’t think Joe has a reluctance to put the young arms in. I think this forum has a reluctance to always look at circumstances and try to understand the bigger picture.
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Pardon my ignorance but isn’t giving the young guys a chance to get their feet wet the bigger picture. What does Proctor and Ayala polishing off the last 3 innings do for the bigger picture?
Good morning –
1. I had to get to bed, but I saw that 5-run outburst against King Felix. You can say he didn’t have his best stuff (pitch that Dickerson hit looked like a straight FB, right down Broadway; but, hey, he hit it), but they weren’t intimidated. When a pitcher makes mistakes, you have to hit them, and they did.
2. As others have said, Phil may not have had his best stuff, but he’s clearly learning how to pitch and win at the pennant-race level. If he can keep on coming, for the rest of September and October, then the first part of the year will be forgotten, and it will whet our appetites for 2012.
3. randy – if you’re here – do you think Romine could make the jump to NY next April? Given what we’ve seen happen to two catchers the past week, I’m starting to wonder if the Yanks would be best served by having three guys who could get behind the plate. Martin, Montero, and Romine. Or, if we think that the young guys still need to get more work than that scheme would allow, getting a vet to be the 3rd C. (Posada???)
What Erin said.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t even know the Yankees had picked up Proctor until he I saw him in a game. I didn’t know he was still pitching. I thought (seriously) that Torre had ruined his career and he was out of baseball. So I wasn’t aware of what he had done previously this season.
upstate kate-
I’m happy. After watching Hernandez, I removed him from my future list of pitchers I’d like to see pitching for the Yankees some day.
Gotta go. Have a great day all. Two lefty pitchers backed by the worst offense, at least by BA, in all of baseball, facing the lefty killing Yankee lineup with Monstero in it. Yes very very happy!!!
Good RAB post on the implications Cisco’s concussion has for the postseason roster….
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ion-55971/
Why is Scott Proctor pitching? I asked the same question last week and was told by some that you can’t trust one of the kids in a tie ball game. I don’t agree with that, but ok ,whatever. So what is the excuse for last night? Brackman, Betances or Kontos couldnt be trusted with a 9-1 lead? It’s just idiotic.
“Pardon my ignorance but isn’t giving the young guys a chance to get their feet wet the bigger picture. ”
The bigger picture is the Yankees getting back to some stability as a team after having gone through a bit of a tough period. You’re not going to be caring about the kids in the postseason, you’re going to be caring about the New York Yankees winning. When Girardi feels the team is back on a good course, whenever that is, I’m sure you’ll see the kids get some work in games that are blow outs or in games where the pen is spent.
Patience is a virtue.
Happy Birthday Bernie!
JonLaneNYC Bernie Williams was the 1st of the #Yankees’ young ’90s core to break into the bigs. Happy Birthday to one of the finest & the classiest
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Me, too!!
Especially listening to the commentary about the Yankees’ hitters’ approach – not waiting and going after the early pitches. Hearing about the big difference in his numbers against this season.
He’s still a really really good pitcher, but he’s not necessarily worth what the Mariners would want. And anyway, it’s irrelevant because Hernandez really does not want to leave Seattle.
right now, i think our rotation should be cc, nova, hughes, colon for the first round.
let nova pitch at the stadium where it isn’t as hostile.
but the 2 biggest questions will be:
1. which dh/c’s are we bringing?
2. arod’s health
At some point, it seemed to me that people were read for the youngsters to be called up just to “soak in the ML experience.” All of a sudden there is this mind-change where many believe if they’re called up they will be used.
I don’t think it necessarily follows that if they’re up they will get playing time. This time of year for the Yankees really is NOT about getting the kids’ feet wet. It is about getting ready for the playoffs, getting the team clicking and keeping them healthy.
As I said earlier, would it have been nice to see Betances last night? Sure thing! But it’s not the heinous act that some seem to think it was for him not to be brought in.
CC, I believe that Girardi was trying to get back to having the team play as a team in a winning game. I also think that he is auditioning Proctor for the postseason. I could be wrong. I’ll say it again. I don’t think he cares about the call ups at this point in time based on the last 5 games. I think when the team is on a steady course again you’ll probably see them get some innings.
Anyway, I don’t typically stress over moves in a game, mainly because I basically understand why they may be happening. So I’m good to go with what’s happening.
It’s easy for posters to sit behind a keyboard and question every move, not as easy I guess to try to figure out what could be motivating certain moves – and there are always plenty of things they we probably don’t and can’t know.
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If I see Proctor on the bump in the playoffs, I’m going to suffer some very frightening and traumatic Sturtze flashbacks.
Waldman: “Of all the ‘traumatic’ things I have ever seen!”
The Proctor-ologist: a real pain in the bottom half.
Villa, geeze I couldn’t agree with you more. September callups are not about the kids auditioning or getting playing time, it’s about them being there in the event they are needed – such as with Cervelli and Martin going down for any period of time. It’s to give the regulars some needed time off, if and when the time is right. It is definitely not about them having their time in the sun!
Trisha,
If Scott Proctor has even a 1% chance to make the post season roster, something is very, very wrong. That doesn’t mean you’re in correct. It could very well be the reason why he keeps pitching. But if true, Girardi might just need help.
i like my first impressions of austin romine, but i really like jesus montero’s bat in the yankee line up. i really want to see montero’s bat in the post season line up… and if the yankees make it to the world series, i’d like the yankees to have the option of getting montero’s bat in the line up.
the only way i can see montero being ready for the post season and the world series is for him to play right now, a lot. i have no problem with him not playing last night, but if last night is part of a pattern of girardi not playing montero, then i’d have a very big problem with that.
the yankees are not infallible with this catching thing. if they really were on top of things cervelli would not have taken another hit at the plate while his brain was concussed a few innings later in the same game.
the good news is the yankees have all kinds of good choices with catching. the bad news is they make some odd decisions how they use them.
As I said earlier, would it have been nice to see Betances last night? Sure thing! But it’s not the “heinous act that some seem to think it was for him not to be brought in.’
Amen.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 9:37 am
“Pardon my ignorance but isn’t giving the young guys a chance to get their feet wet the bigger picture. ”
The bigger picture is the Yankees getting back to some stability as a team after having gone through a bit of a tough period. You’re not going to be caring about the kids in the postseason, you’re going to be caring about the New York Yankees winning. When Girardi feels the team is back on a good course, whenever that is, I’m sure you’ll see the kids get some work in games that are blow outs or in games where the pen is spent.
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Oh please…. it was 9-1. Proctor and Ayala will have no impact on the PS.
It was a perfect non-pressure situation to give the young guys a chance last night. Almost everyone on the EC was sleeping. People in Seattle don’t care. Seattle can’t hit. The score was 9-1. What more do you want? The veterans always get a morale boost when the young guys get in there and do something also.
You want to put Logan in there to work out his issues against facing lefties lately then fine. Putting Proctor and Ayala has no benefit from the team aside from eating innings.
I’m sure Betences or Brackman would have been more then capable of stabalizing the 8th by giving a 2 run bomb to freakin Miguel Olivo.
I truly hope that is not the twisted logic that Girardi used in making his pitching decisions late in the game yesterday.
Villa Nova-great post @ 9:42. Totally agree.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 9:43 am
CC, I believe that Girardi was trying to get back to having the team play as a team in a winning game. I also think that he is auditioning Proctor for the postseason.
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If that’s the case, let’s hope he fails the audition.
CC, I think Girardi has definitely been putting him out there to see what he has because I do believe he would love another veteran presence in the bullpen come the postseason. We have some sweethearts in the bullpen but they haven’t all been totally reliable. You need to get to DRob and Mo, and you can’t have them at the ready every single night. So Girardi is probably trying to figure out his pen at this point in time.
“Proctor and Ayala will have no impact on the PS.”
This may be your first mistake. I never take anything for granted, other than I belive that the Yankee organization knows how to win.
Trisha,
Again, you may be right when it comes to Griardi’s thinking. BUT Proctor has been awful for years. They should know exactly what he is at this point. He’s also given up a run in every game he’s pitched this yr for the Yanks (although I admit that the runs were given up in his 2nd inning of work each time).
Seattle or not, if the Yankees are holding a lead tonight and Burnett begins his normal imploding – – - pull him out. There’s enough inning eater arms to handle the rest of the game.
Ledger_Yankees Manny Ramirez ordered to stay away from wife after domestic dispute: Former Red Sox outfielder remains in Florid… http://bit.ly/rufQoK
ayala has pitched better than noesi…
Erin, I don’t really care who makes the roster and who doesn’t. My life is greatly simplified in knowing that the Yankees know more about managing a team than I do.
Unfortunately, I can see Ayala pitching in a relatively big spot in the playoffs. I say unfortunately because he hasn’t pitched as good as his numbers indicate over the past couple of months. He’s allowed a ton of inherited runners to score (and that obviously doesnt affect his ERA).
CC – interesting point. It may be that they are figuring out that two innings with him isn’t going to work. He did a nice job of getting out of his first inning of work last night after giving up (I think it was) a double.
“Manny Ramirez ordered to stay away from wife after domestic dispute”
Yeah, probably still arguing about which one should be taking the fertility drug.
trisha-I agree, but Proctor is the absolute last guy I’d want to see on the mound in a playoff game.
MTU
I think you need to meet up w/ these Dback rookies and take them on a few hikes
http://network.yardbarker.com/.....main_col_2
I should clarify
B/c the rookies look out of shape, not b/c I think MTU has any interest in rookies wearing bikinis
“trisha-I agree, but Proctor is the absolute last guy I’d want to see on the mound in a playoff game”
But as CC pointed out, his trouble has come in his 2nd inning of pitching. Based on that, if I saw him coming in for one inning of work, I don’t think I’d need smelling salts. But that’s a long way away. I can’t be worried about the postseason at this moment. Play today, win today.
In a 9-3 game against Seattle are the Yankees going to benefit more from having Ayala or Betances pitching the 9th? hmmmm lets think.
You know what you have in Ayala. We have seen him ALL season. And yes he has done a very good job. Would I trust Ayala in a big spot in the PS? Hell no.
Unless they have made the decision to shut Betances down for the year why not have him pitch that inning? How can it hurt? If they don’t have the confidence in him to get through a single inning without potentialy giving 6 runs why is he on the team?
Why not see what you have in Betances when the perfect situation arises?
Does the score need to be 12 – 2?… 20 -0?
Really boggles the mind. How could it hurt to have him pitch the 9th?
West Coast Yankee Fan September 13th, 2011 at 4:52 am
Hughes has allowed only two runs or less in six of his last eight starts. He should be in the rotation and on the playoff roster.
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Agreed – and if he has another couple of strong starts before the season ends he might be their #2 starter. I guess Colon could potentially get a game 2 start, but only if he gets some rest and looks a little stronger. I don’t see Garcia starting in a playoff game unless he starts to look stronger and gets better command. I assume that a few strong Burnett starts could push him into #4 starter territory, but right now I see the playoff rotation being CC#1, Hughes#2, Colon#3 and ?#4…
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Sabathia – Nova – Hughes – Colon
Have to agree…..Romine looks like a natural behind the dish….just the way he moves and blocks balls. Very impressive for his age and never playing above AA…..
“ayala has pitched better than noesi…”
That’s kind of what I’m talking about in a larger sense. If Soriano didn’t have any issues this year, the rest wouldn’t be as dicey. But Girardi doesn’t have what you could call an airtight bullpen at this point in time. So he has a lot of figuring out to do.
Kate-
Thanks for clarifying that.
You’re right. They look like they could benefit from a some mileage.
Betances was up in the pen. He is getting the routine down. Getting to know Harkey and how it all feels out there and what is expected. There is no rush, it’s a blowout game and Betances is not going to be on the postseason roster. Just like with Montero, the Yankees are handling things perfectly.
All that is going on her is some fans who “want” to see a young prospect. Understandable, but hardly the material good decisions are made of.
4 game lead with 16 to play. Shhhhhh!
sp-here
“Really boggles the mind. How could it hurt to have him pitch the 9th?”
What boggles the mind is your inability or refusal to understand that the Yankees had come off a pretty awful streak and Girardi’s larger obligation to the Yankees was to get the team back on an even keel and not worry about giving a rookie an inning!
Hmmm…I wonder what the Yankee rooks are going to have to dress up as.
What did they do last year? I forget. I know ’09 was Batman.
Trisha-that’s true. And believe me, if by chance he does make the postseason roster, I’ll be rooting for him like crazy if he gets into a game. I just don’t see him making the roster. But, anything can happen, so who knows.
Erin the last one I remember vividly was Joba’s rookie year when they did the Wizard of Oz and he was the cowardly lion.
Erin, who knows. Maybe he’s here to eat up innings in the meantime and the roster isn’t even a thought. Hard to figure.
How do the Yanks know that Betances couldn’t be a lightning in a bottle monster short reliever for a month? Shouldn’t they find out?
What ever happened to the Championship belt, and the Kangaroo court with Mo presiding ?
Let’s bring ‘em back.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 10:11 am
“Really boggles the mind. How could it hurt to have him pitch the 9th?”
What boggles the mind is your inability or refusal to understand that the Yankees had come off a pretty awful streak and Girardi’s larger obligation to the Yankees was to get the team back on an even keel and not worry about giving a rookie an inning!
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Ayala pitching the 9th in a 9-3 game against Seattle is going to help the Yankees “get the team back on an even keel”??? Alright then, just keep telling yourself that. There is 0 benefit there.
And Proctor who has been on the team for a few weeks helps the Yankees get back on an even keel by coming in and giving a 2 run bomb to Olivo? LMAO at saying proctor pitching helps the Yankees get back to their winning ways.
Why not just go So – Ro – Mo if they are so concerned getting back to normalcy after a mini losing streak? And if Robertson get a guy or 2 on Rivera can come in for a 4 or 5 out close out to the game.
MTU-I think they still do the Championship Belt, don’t they? I think I remember something about that from earlier this season.
I’ve been wondering about Kangaroo Court-I hope they do it this year!
Blake-
The Georgia bulldog from NC.
Won’t let go. Wants him some Betances.
Erin-
Yeah. We need something. Not enough pies this year.
pkyankfan69 September 13th, 2011 at 10:05 am
In a 9-3 game against Seattle are the Yankees going to benefit more from having Ayala or Betances pitching the 9th? hmmmm lets think.
You know what you have in Ayala. We have seen him ALL season. And yes he has done a very good job. Would I trust Ayala in a big spot in the PS? Hell no.
Unless they have made the decision to shut Betances down for the year why not have him pitch that inning? How can it hurt? If they don’t have the confidence in him to get through a single inning without potentialy giving 6 runs why is he on the team?
Why not see what you have in Betances when the perfect situation arises?
Does the score need to be 12 – 2?… 20 -0?
Really boggles the mind. How could it hurt to have him pitch the 9th?
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Agree entirely. And Betances has some innings to burn yet, and his velo was fine in his last outing, so I don’t think it’s that. As for Logan working against lefties, that’d be alright but I believe he said he’s going through a dead arm period…
Unless there was some other unforseen glitch, no reason not to give the ball to Betances or Brackman, or both, to finish up. Spacious park, nice lead, etc… as someone said, just a lack of creativity….
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Erin the last one I remember vividly was Joba?s rookie year when they did the Wizard of Oz and he was the cowardly lion.
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Joba made a very good Cowardly Lion.
I know Cano and Wang had to dress up as cheerleaders. And in ’08 I think they did The Village People ( I can’t remember which one Cervelli was, but I know he was part of it)
blake September 13th, 2011 at 10:17 am
How do the Yanks know that Betances couldn’t be a lightning in a bottle monster short reliever for a month? Shouldn’t they find out?
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Exactly. And they missed the perfect chance in making the first step to find out.
And I doubt he would make the PS roster even if he gets the chance. Chances are his wildness would come back to bite him.
But why not at least make an attempt to find out? Because Ayala needs an innings of work? Please.
Joba_62 Morning! U can’t control the uncontrollable. Focus on what YOU can make a difference on!
IPK was Dorothy – do you suppose that was his undoing here?
JAP-
IPK looked a lot more like Alfred E. Neumann.
MTU, yep, he really did. LOL.
Sometimes, in profile, Logan reminds me of IPK.
Randy-
I’m on board with respect to Montero.
JAP-
What even funnier is that IPK seemed to have the attitude too.
J. Alfred Prufrock September 13th, 2011 at 10:22 am
IPK was Dorothy ? do you suppose that was his undoing here?
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Betances’ “wildness” really gets over stated here. He’s not the mess some think he is. He loses command, but he also gets it back quickly. Not like he doesn’t fix it in game, and there are outings when he has like that one “off” inning and otherwise cruises. He’s a work in progress, like any young pitcher, but I think people will be surprised by how disproportionate their idea of him is in balance to his actual polish as a pitcher. He may have the yips in his first outing, but if they let him get his adrenalin under control, he’ll be fine. I don’t expect that, however, from Girardi.
JAP-
“God doesn’t play dice with the Universe.”
Albert Einstein
Apparently neither does Girardi.
MTU, the Dorothy attitude?
MTU, Agree.
God does not play dice, he plays baseball
P.S. Einstein would probably like to revise that…
I expect the Yankees will put in Betances if they become well behind in a game. His 9 walk outing in three innings from a couple starts ago may be on their minds.
Who cares if Betances pitched a meaningless inning in a 9-3 blowout. A four game lead with sixteen to play, life is good. He’ll get in a game when he’s acclimated and they feel comfortable doing so.
JAP-
Very funny.
Q: “What did you think of your outing tonight ?”
Kennedy : “I thought I pitched pretty well.”
(The outcome didn’t matter)
That one.
Has anyone here but me actually seen Betances pitch a whole game?
IPK made a great Dorothy
actually the Wizard of Oz was my favorite rookie hazing ever
JAP-
Girardi refuses to roll the dice with the Yankee Universe.
P.S. No revisions needed there.
MTU, oh that.
He probably had his ruby slippers on when he was quoted, but forgot to wear them for the game.
“as someone said, just a lack of creativity….”
Or as someone else said, because fans want to see a young kid is hardly the material good decisions are made of.
MTU, maybe no vision….we’re talking about Girardi…
upstate kate September 13th, 2011 at 10:38 am
IPK made a great Dorothy
actually the Wizard of Oz was my favorite rookie hazing ever
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he looked like a dorky cute little girl
NotHankStein Watching #Yankees beat up Felix last night made me proud of standing up to Cashman & not trading Jesus & Nova for him! #revisionisthistory
JAP-
He sure as heck could have benfitted from a hit on the objective pipe that day.
Either that, or his mouth should have been fitted with a better zipper.
Anyway, he’s sure stickin’ it to his critics right now.
So perhaps he’s gettin’ the last laugh which of course is the best one.
kate-the Wizard of Oz year was probably my favorite too. Although Cano as a cheerleader comes close.
JAP-
In all seriousness with respect to Girardi.
Nothing wrong with having a steady hand on the tiller.
Hey not everyone can be creative nor is it necessarily needed in this venue.
“How do the Yanks know that Betances couldn’t be a lightning in a bottle monster short reliever for a month? Shouldn’t they find out?”
I don’t know whether or not they should find out, but I do believe that on the heels of a 5-game losing streak, and just one game into a win isn’t the time to be worrying about it. Girardi has serious problems and things he really needs to think about, and Betances getting innings isn’t first and foremost, nor should it be.
I care about the Yankees getting their sealegs back under them, not about who might get to debut in a game.
MTU, I rarely have a problem with player comments to the media, unless they call out a teammate or something. It’s the least important part of their job, IMO.
Kennedy telling Kim Jones or whomever that he pitched well, even if he didn’t, just seems completely irrelevant. He has no obligation to cry mea culpa to the scribes and talking heads.
JAP-
Like it or not PR is a big part of the game in NY along with performance.
Mop walk time.
Back in a while.
I can’t even believe Scott Proctor is on the team.
I care about the Yankees getting their sealegs back under them, not about who might get to debut in a game.
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That’s nice. They won handily, so they got their legs under them. Onto other things…..they have a guy in the BP who is going to be the next great Yankee righthander..the situation was ideal to let him throw to a few major league hitters; big lead, big ballpark, etc. It would have given him and the Yankees more imformation about an arm that’s probably going to be entrenched in the front end for years to come….your personal lack of interest in that I think you have stated…others, and many, were very interested in seeing it…..I’ve also gone to see this kid pitch over the last two years every chance I got; I’m interested in him; you’re not. Where does that leave us? With nothing to talk about on that front, I’d say.
The grief Kennedy took for those comments has always bothered me. IPK was a young pup at that point. He made some stupid comments and got crucified for them. I seriously doubt he actually thought he pitched well. Joba has gotten the same treatment on occasion. I guess they need lessons from Jeter and Grandy…dealing w/ the press 101
MTU, I don’t dislike it, it just doesn’t come across my radar that much.
I’ve read comments of people being upset that a player doesn’t “take responsibility”. I think the focus is in the wrong place.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 10:45 am
“How do the Yanks know that Betances couldn’t be a lightning in a bottle monster short reliever for a month? Shouldn’t they find out?”
I don’t know whether or not they should find out, but I do believe that on the heels of a 5-game losing streak, and just one game into a win isn’t the time to be worrying about it. Girardi has serious problems and things he really needs to think about, and Betances getting innings isn’t first and foremost, nor should it be.
I care about the Yankees getting their sealegs back under them, not about who might get to debut in a game.
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And you were the one that question my ability to comprehend. LOL.
First of all it was a 4 game losing streak but that hardly has any impact on how pigheaded your stances is here.
Just answer me this. Based on the situation yesterday how does pitching Ayala over Betances help the Yankees?
I’d love to head how that helps to stabalize the Yanks after their losing streak. I won’t even get into the question of how on earth Proctor helps stabalize the team.
“JAP-
In all seriousness with respect to Girardi.
Nothing wrong with having a steady hand on the tiller.
Hey not everyone can be creative nor is it necessarily needed in this venue.
I envy all of those who are so much more succint than I and manage to say in a few sentences what takes me so many many more.
That would be just about everyone.
upstate kate, I can’t see it. They’re trying to appear confident, probably, and not say too much. I don’t think some fans understand how much being positive is a part of allowing these guys to go out and do what they do. They may sound like hypnotized true believers to the rest of us, but they kind of have to buy in.
The Yanks don’t need to be stabilized. They have a 4 game lead over a slumping Boston with 16 to play for crying out loud. It would be good to let Betances, Brackman and Kontos get some experience. That lineup Seattle was fielding wasn’t going to be a problem.
JAP
Like a rooster.
don’t we want them all to be that word you couldn’t get thru last night
JAP -
Well I guess you told me.
In all seriousness with respect to Girardi.
Nothing wrong with having a steady hand on the tiller.
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Last year he’s vilified for letting up on the throttle down the stretch, this year he’s vilified for keeping the throttle wide open…….. just can’t please everyone.
Trisha, I admit I’m not following you. I don’t see what a steady hand has to do with going with Scott Proctor over two guys who could be extremely relevant to the Yankees’ future, especially Betances, but no need to belabor this
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We can always hope they put up a crooked number tonight and Joe “he’s gonna pitch” Girardi will actually put one of the two Bs in….(he said Betances would pitch, let’s see it, Joe).
Trisha, I won’t try to tell you if you won’t try to tell me, deal?
Let me apologize for understanding why the kids weren’t in last night’s game. I guess there’s something wrong with me for not sharing your outrage.
upstate kate September 13th, 2011 at 10:56 am
JAP
don’t we want them all to be that word you couldn’t get thru last night Like a rooster.
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My wife asked if I’d been banned…haha.
YES! Let them all be roosters!
“Last year he’s vilified for letting up on the throttle down the stretch, this year he’s vilified for keeping the throttle wide open…….. just can’t please everyone.”
I feel for the guy. Truly.
MTU,
In a fit of candor, I must admit I almost wrote yesterday questioning your faith in Dickerson. I now bow to your wisdom but retain pride that for once I was right in shutting up.
Earth to Yankee fans. Proctor had not pitched in 4 days and Ayala had not pitched in 3. They were getting needed work in.
Fans want to see a prospect because they are curious. I get that, but Girardi and Cashman have other considerations. Aside from Proctor and Ayala neding work, they obviously believe in a slow, conservative acclimation first approach for call-ups. It worked perfectly with Montero. Romine was an emergency.
It makes no difference if Betances and/or Brackman pitched last night or three days from now. They will get in a game and it won’t mean a thing. Neither will be on the post season roster.
What is the rush? There is none is the answer.
JAP, I don’t think you want to follow me, and that’s okay too.
Best I can do is tell you what I think was the case, and that’s what I’ve done. You don’t agree, then we just agree to disagree.
I have no problem with the way Girardi managed last night’s game based on where the Yankees have been recently.
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Anyone wants to crow about a 4-game lead with 16 to go, or whatever it is, try thinking back to the season where the Yankees ended up blowing a huge lead and losing something like 13 of their last 19 games and just about making the playoffs. It might have been 1999, not sure, but I can tell you that Andy Pettitte was pitching that year. I remember him pitching and losing in Baltimore.
“Earth to Yankee fans. Proctor had not pitched in 4 days and Ayala had not pitched in 3. They were getting needed work in. ”
The assumption there is that the Yanks need to give Scott Proctor work. He could rest till next March and I don’t think it would hurt the Yanks.
Earth to Yankee fans. Proctor had not pitched in 4 days and Ayala had not pitched in 3. They were getting needed work in.
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Why on earth does Scott Proctor need to get work in? Ayala, sure, because he is very likely going to be on the postseason roster. But Scott Proctor?
What year is it???
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 13th, 2011 at 11:08 am
JAP, I don’t think you want to follow me, and that’s okay too.
Best I can do is tell you what I think was the case, and that’s what I’ve done. You don’t agree, then we just agree to disagree.
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yea, we just disagree on this. We’ll find some common ground, though
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“Anyone wants to crow about a 4-game lead with 16 to go, or whatever it is, try thinking back to the season where the Yankees ended up blowing a huge lead and losing something like 13 of their last 19 games and just about making the playoffs. I”
That was me, and the year you are thinking of was 2000, and the Yanks this year have already won 2 more games than they won in all of 2000. Plus, the Yanks are sitting on a 7 game bulge over the wild card.
Scott Proctor?
JAP – I truly belive so.
IanBegley Bud Selig isn’t happy that the Mets complained about not being able to wear FDNY, NYPD hats on 9/11. More here: http://es.pn/o6Lvt2
Well Queen Felix did not do very well last night, and seems content on remaining “Clueless in Seattle”.
Take away his one great season in 2009, and he’s a sub .500 pitcher not worth giving up all our top prospects for, IMHO.
The 25-year-old Brackman, the Yankees’ first-round pick (30th overall) in the 2007 draft who was signed to a four-year, $4.55 million contract, may well be pitching for his future with the club.
“He has an option in his contract so we have to make a decision on whether we’re going to pick it up or not,’’ said Cashman. “He had an awful year as a starter. He’s much different out of the pen. Whether it’s good enough, I don’t know. We’ll take a look at him out of the bullpen and see.’’
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Yesterday seemed like a pretty good time to take a look at him, no?
Let’s grant the point that for some bizarre reason Joe Girardi wanted Proctor to get some work in.
Why did Proctor have to pitch 2 innings? If he needed to get work in, 1 inning was not sufficient?
Brackman or Betances couldn’t pitch 1 of the last three innings?
Wave, we don’t know what the organization’s plans for Proctor are. If we did there would probably be a lot less consternation – or maybe there’d be even more!
But you have to figure he’s in there for a reason. I can think of several that seem to make sense, even if they are not palatable to the lohud populace. It doesn’t much matter whether the fans on lohud like proctor, obviously. Whether he’s there as a veteran presence, to eat up innings, auditioning for the postseason, because Girardi believes in him, to try to help stablize things while Girardi figures out his pen, he’s in there. He seems able to pitch one inning without having a problem.
Someone mentioned the Sori-DRob-Mo trio and just continuing to play out that string and forgetting about Proctor. (I think that’s what they said.) Ever read this forum when Soriano is getting ready to come into a game? You’d think people were being asked to play Russian roulette. So there’s not a lot of strong faith in that situation either.
Face it, if the pen were in order, none of this would be mattering much. But it isn’t.
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Which leads to another interesting situation. One would think (or at least I think) that those members of the rotation who do not end up starting in the postseason would definitely make the bullpen. That’s going to be one crowded pen when all is said and done!
LGY -
You’re correct, last nights game would have given Brackman a chance to get his feet wet, in a low leverage situation, before trying him out later in a tight game.
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Trisha,
The Yanks are making the postseason……so everything they do now should be with one eye on the playoffs and maximizing their WS chances……with their rotation they need 1) the offense to be as strong as possible and 2) their pen to be as strong as possible….
With that in mind my point is that they should see what they have and who might could make an impact…..Proctor, Ayala, Laffey etc aren’t making an impact ……there is a chance Betances could and I think they should just explore it while they have time…….hopefully thy will because after Mo and Robertson the rest of the pen is shaky…..they miss Jobber badly.
Proctor has about a 0% chance of impacting the postseason in a positive way. Betances has a greater than 0 chance.
Does anyone here want to trust Soriano in the PS in a critical game? To me it appears he has either lost something, or don’t care how he pitches.
Wait a minute- they did win last night, didn’t they?
Yankee fans are like the Yanks…..never satisfied …..happy with the wins but always looking to.improve any way you can……that’s how you win 27 titles and to.an extent I think that’s ok….
LGY, if they’re wary of using these guys in tighter games, yesterday’s lopsided win presented ideal conditions. Head scratcher…
This isn’t the first rodeo for Brackman and Betances.
They were both with the club last September as well.
They weren’t active but they were working out with the team, getting to know the routine, and taking in the atmosphere.
Trisha -
How’s that new laptop?
There was nothing to be gained by pitching Proctor in that spot….nothing to gain, nothing to learn, nothing to preserve….nothing…..
Romine never has caught a game above AA……he was put in fresh off a plane to catch the last 3 innings of a 1 run game……the world didn’t explode and Romine did just fine.
trisha-
I can’t think of a reason Proctor is on the team. There probably is a reason, but I highly doubt it has anything to do with the post-season.
Betances could flirt with 100 mph out of the pen…….if he’s on the team then see what he’s got….
JCPD-
I hope your are finding peace with your loss. I have thought of you.
SJ was particularly critical of Girardi resting the troops down the stretch last season.
I think it’s important to to do that if guys are banged up. If not, pedal to the metal.
I think you have to concede that creativity is not one of Girardi’s strong suits.
OTOH his by-the-book approach is usually effective.
Austin-
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Torre was on the radio yesterday to.explain the hate situation…..what a spin job…..he basically couldn’t answer the question.
blade -
Regardless of what business you’re in, when you become satisfied with where you are, it’s just a matter of time until your competition passes you by. I’m glad the Yankees never stand pat and become satisfied with where they are, and always strive to improve.
Girardi has some big decisions he’s going to have to make about pitching in the postseason. I’m thinking that’s what he’s really caring about right now and not much else in terms of getting kids into games.
Let’s say he carries 11 or 12 pitchers:
Not in any order:
CC, Hughes, Nova, Freddy, Bartolo, AJ, Mo, DRob, Sori
Now what????? Noesi? Wade? Ayala? Proctor? Logan? Valdes?
Who is good for short relief? Long relief? Spot starts? One inning?
Girardi has more important things to do right now, IMO.
*hat*
Im not liking what Im seeing with how the Yankees are dealing with the catcher position. They are clearly sending the message that for all their love of Montero’s bat, they don’t consider him a catcher. And when things matter, they’d rather send another rookie with no AAA experience but defensive-minded start at C.
Wouldn’t surprise me to find out Romine is starting again tonight, which would be the clearest message of their issues with Montero. While this may be a nice problem to have: two young players ready to help, I see something to worry.
Montero seems to be a great offensive weapon to have on this current veteran team. He seems to be ready to have great at bats and not for his homers but because of his approach. Now, the best way to use him is at catcher because we could use him everywhere we went, make it AL or NL.
How is that going to be possible if he isn’t given a solid chance to play at C? Romine has’t been here for two full days and he ha already caught more than Montero, who has been here for weeks now. I know Montero isn’t as steady defensively as Romine, but the guy hadnt caught for weeks, is thrown to the wolves and isn’t even allowed to finish.
If there is an important player to use now because of the big contributions he could have THIS POSTSEASON is Montero, an he isn’t getting one being platooned offensivey and not even used as catcher.
blake September 13th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Yankee fans are like the Yanks?..never satisfied ?..happy with the wins but always looking to.improve any way you can??that?s how you win 27 titles and to.an extent I think that?s ok?.
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blake, I agree to a point, but the complaining today is getting ridiculous. They win a blowout against a very tough pitcher, their own pitcher who’s had his struggles this season allowed one run, they have their biggest lead of the division this season, and all anybody can talk about is how two rookie pitchers weren’t used.
J. Alfred -
I saw Betances pitch in July. The game I saw, he was not really very impressive. BUT he wasn’t a mess, either. He was having command issues and he didn’t seem real fluid that night. He wasn’t wildly wild (hard to tell how much he was missing by, but it wasn’t by a whole lot). For me, it just looked like he didn’t have a good rhythm that night.
I don’t like to make any judgments after seeing someone pitch once. And also, my expectations were aroused, so I may have been disappointed personally that he was having such a difficult time that night.
Now what????? Noesi? Wade? Ayala? Proctor? Logan? Valdes?
Who is good for short relief? Long relief? Spot starts? One inning?
Girardi has more important things to do right now, IMO.
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You basically shouldn’t be including Proctor in there, and Betances is more likely to have a huge postseason impact. Not pitching him is at odds with ‘the more important things to do’. All Proctor is capable of being is Scott Proctor, but Betances could be a K-rod in the postseason.
JCPD -
Good to see you here my friend. Hope all is going well, and you and your family are finding peace.
Martin catching. Montero DH’ing tonight.
That’s my crystal ball view of it.
Al-
Queen Felix ? That’s a bit harsh isn’t ?
You know Felix is macho.
Erin,
I think that’s fair…. but i just think its something to.talk about though…..you can only say “great game last night” so many times.
Proctor, Ayala, Laffey etc aren’t making an impact ……there is a chance Betances could and I think they should just explore it while they have time…….hopefully thy will because after Mo and Robertson the rest of the pen is shaky…..they miss Jobber badly.
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Agreed. Yankeefem said it best I think last night: the Rays have added Matt Moore, we’ve added…Scott Proctor??? And he’s not going to be window dressing….Maddon said they were going to use Moore the way they used Price in ’08…..
Another thing about Betances in particular: he gets LHB out. Might be a good idea to see if he can do that for us up here….They do miss Chamberlain. Proctor isn’t the punchline, either.. Brackman it might be a good idea to see if he’s really found something enduring by changing the position of his hands…he’s gotten some good results… Why aren’t we finding out, in extreme low leverage if these kids could help us out??….I’m beginning to get nervous by the amount of innings he’s getting….very nervous…
Meaning number of innings Proctor’s getting…
I don’t think it matters which is any of the relievers who aren’t going to be on the post-season roster get into games.
I’m actually a bit iffy about using Betances in relief. He’s had physical issues in the past, so let him observe and go to work in the spring.
That said, the Proctor situation is mystifying. Brackman has been in the pen lately so it makes a lot more sense to give him work than Betances. Proctor looks completely spent to me.
Maybe he can get work in Torre’s office
Yankees_Fan September 13th, 2011 at 11:34 am
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its a 4 game lead, not 14, and with 7 games against the rays and 3 against the sox, they need good defense behind the plate, let montero DH
It’s just irritating as a Yankee fan. You stay up past 1:00AM hoping to see some kids pitch in a laugher, and you get Scott Proctor.
They did have Betances warming up, so they did give thought to bringing him in. I wonder what turned the thought?
Blake-
“Stay hungry my friends.”
Oops. That’s stay “thirsty”.
Big Al – well my online backup service said yesterday that it was going to take two days to restore all my stuff from my old laptop, but when I got up this morning, it said something like 87 minutes left to go.
I haven’t checked it in a while but I have to believe it is good to go with the download. Then it will be a matter of organizing stuff. I’ve been kind of critical of my desktop and now I feel bad. It’s done the best that it could for me. Thanks desktop.
blake, I understand. But to me, this is like trying to create drama where there’s very little to be found.
MTU -
“Matcho” – Really, when he’s like a big kid afraid of leaving his block, and play with the big kids. I’m sorry, but, a real top notch competitor would want to play on the big stage, have a chance to win a WS, and show the world just how good he is. This kid is going to be fat, dumb and happy in Seattle, because he don’t have what it takes to be an Ace in a division like the AL East, IMO.
Jerkface, all we can do is wait and see whether Girardi and the Yankees organization are of the same mind as you are.
They are not necessarily frivilous so there is a reason they are doing what they’re doing.
All we can do is wait and watch.
Villa Nova-Ya September 13th, 2011 at 11:36 am
J. Alfred -
I saw Betances pitch in July. The game I saw, he was not really very impressive. BUT he wasn’t a mess, either. He was having command issues and he didn’t seem real fluid that night. He wasn’t wildly wild (hard to tell how much he was missing by, but it wasn’t by a whole lot). For me, it just looked like he didn’t have a good rhythm that night.
I don’t like to make any judgments after seeing someone pitch once. And also, my expectations were aroused, so I may have been disappointed personally that he was having such a difficult time that night.
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Villa, I was really indirectly asking the poster who brought up his 9BB outing, as if it’s representative….
Sorry you didn’t see him at his best. I saw him throw a couple of stinkers this year, but more often than not he found his release point again and dominated the hitters…..there was only one outing I attended where they got any good wood on the ball, despite his having walked 3 or 4…
I think what really sells me on Betances, other than his irrefutable insane main repertoire of curve/fb/change is that although he has big guy issues, he’s able to make in game adjustments on his delivery. He’s going to be a stud for the Yankees….never have I been this excited about a pitching prospect as I am about Betances…
Al callin’ out the King.
Could the same be said about Cliff Lee ?
P.S. If you do not want Felix can I please have him ? I’ll give you AJ and Soriano for him.
trisha -
Well good luck with the new laptop, hope it gives you years of trouble free service.
I did not see the post-game interviews. Did any of the reporters ask why, since Betances was warming up, he wasn’t used in this game?
I would think that many of the beat writers, because of blogs, twitter, etc., are aware that there is a portion of the fan base that would be interested in the answer to that question.
Wave, I may be wrong but I believe that if you had seen the laugher on the heels of a 5-game winning streaK, you probably would have seen a lot of the new faces in there.
But whatever. It’s history now. Onward and upward.
Erin,
I agree. How about a bit of joy for finally hitting Felix and for a great win.
Betances walked nine guys in three innings a couple weeks ago. Can you imagine the criticsm if Betances walks the first three and Rivera ultimately has to get up. Let;s let the people who do this for a living a watch the players and pitchers closely make the decisions. Or did the people on this board watch Betances last BP session?
Criticize Girardi if it gives folks happiness, but he has his team four games up with 16 to play. Criticize that. Lohudders, find some happiness.
J. Alfred -
I couldn’t tell that you were excited about Betances.
I wish I had seen him more than the once. I did see Banuelos twice. It was an adjustment year for both of them I think. And it sounds like they were asked to work on particulars, as opposed to just going out and pitching, if you understand what I’m saying.
Villa, I thought I heard one of the Yankee broadcasters say last night that he was getting his work in. (I think Kay might have queried that aloud and maybe it was Leiter who answered him.)
Thanks, trisha.
As mentioned on the TV broadcast last night, Felix velocity is down. We see no more 97 mph fastball with wicked movement. He now sits at 93-94. Still very good, but I wonder if so many innings at such a young age will take it’s toll. I think we may be seeing early stages of that.
austinmac-great post.
Erin September 13th, 2011 at 11:45 am
blake, I understand. But to me, this is like trying to create drama where there’s very little to be found.
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I mean this with the utmost civility and respect, but I find it a little irritating and uncivil that you’re saying people are trying to “create drama.” What does that even mean, Erin?
Give seasoned baseball fans some credit for having a discussion that may or may not be of interest to some… there are people here who follow the minors and have a sense who, in the system, could help the team…if that’s not your cup of tea to meticulously follow the farm, that’s fine, no one’s forcing you or anyone else to know a Dellin Betances from a David Phelps…but what I can’t see is the intolerance for discussion that ranges beyond a given poster’s interest or focus.
It’s been said by many people here that Girardi might have taken advantage of a crooked number in a big ballpark to get a peek at what Betances and/or Brackman could do…to be honest, I expected to see at least one of them….the exasperation that followed after watching Scott Proctor eat up two of those innings and Ayala, a third, I make no apologies for….I think he wasted an opportunity and I can’t understand why…
I don’t comment when people post links to players’ current romances, which I have NO interest in at all, but I don’t comment and I don’t think it’s my place to tell people not to be interested in that sort of thing, if fans like that stuff…everyone has their own way of enjoying the Yankees…and I’m not bringing it up to dis you, I think that’s probably fun stuff for some fans, fine! More power to you!
Maybe the problem here is that there aren’t individual threads where people interested say, in seeing Betances and Brackman get a look can go and discuss that without it being waylaid by some kind of misplaced moral judgment by people who really just want to discussion to go back to their comfort zone?
I don’t know the answer, but my policy is generally to not presume to tell other people what’s kosher to care about and discuss when it comes to this team we all love and want to see succeed…
Early morning thoughts:
1. I like Scott Proctor, but he just isn’t that good.
2. He won’t be on the postseason roster.
3. That was a quality win last night.
4. 4 game lead.
5. I’m coming around to the fact that Romine might be higher than Montero on the catching depth chart.
6. I don’t have any problem with #5.
7. Don’t really trust Garcia.
8. If Hughes makes a start, it should be on the road.
9. Nova is not a slam dunk in the rotation.
10. Go, AJ!
MTU -
My wish list over the past winter had Verlander on it, a true Ace.
You can have Felix, I’ll take Verlander, and in the end I’d bet the farm I’ll come out on top much more often than you.
As I said earlier, take away Felix’s 2009 season, and you have a very unimpressive record. Yes, I know, he pitches in Seattle, little run support etc.
Felix, over a 162 games has an average 14-11 record, and 3.21 ERA. Those are not the numbers of an Ace that leads his team to the PS and a WS.
Big Al, thanks.
One thing is for sure, I’ll never get an HP again.
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austinmac September 13th, 2011 at 11:51 am
BOOM!
trisha-
If the goal last night was to nail down a much needed victory I don’t think Proctor was the best choice, but like you, I’ll let it go.
Garcia has had two bad/mediocre starts in a row, but on the whole he has been more than solid. I trust him against a tough team much more than I do Hughes.
I think Girardi wanted to save Betances and Brackman for use when I am still awake. I went to sleep when I knew Hughes was out and it was 9-1. Joe, is thoughtful like that.:)
I don’t think there was any controversy in last nights game. I’m someone that will take a win no matter how we have to go about getting it. But I think the argument that we could at least test some guys out to see what they have as opposed to sending guys out there who are already known quantities has some merit.
Its all moot at this point though. Onto the next controversy: Does Montero catch today?!
trisha -
Really, a bad HP? I have owned several different brands of computors, and my HP has been the best. My Sony and Dell were nothing but trouble, and customer support from both was horrible. I guess it may just be the luck of the draw. I tried a MAC, it was a proble out of the box, and their so called great customer service stunk, so I returned it and paid a re-stocking fee, that was worth it. Whatever brand you got, I hope it does well for you, enjoy.
JAP-I didn’t mean to offend anybody. I’m sorry you took it that way.
I probably could have phrased it better. All I meant was, why just focus on the negative of last night’s game, where there really was very little to be negative about IMO.
and BTW-I do understand that if you stayed up watching the game, and saw Betances warming up how disappointing it must have been to see….Scott Proctor come in.
But to me, that shouldn’t overshadow all of the good things in the game.
That’s all I meant.
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2009 3.45
2010 3.37
So Felix’s career ERA is less then every one of Verlander’s yearly ERA except of course for this year but we can throw this year out just like you through out Felix’s best year
I like Freddy and trust him in a big game. There’s something about the experience that always gives me comfort.
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Big Al, I think the problem with my HP was that I went to Staples and bought whatever was on sale without bothering to read up on the computer. The one I bought had a ton of problems that were noted in reviews. This time I did a lot of research before I bought. So hopefully the Dell I ended up with will be worth what I spent (a lot more than I wanted to!)
Villa Nova-Ya September 13th, 2011 at 11:52 am
J. Alfred -
I couldn’t tell that you were excited about Betances.
I wish I had seen him more than the once. I did see Banuelos twice. It was an adjustment year for both of them I think. And it sounds like they were asked to work on particulars, as opposed to just going out and pitching, if you understand what I’m saying.
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Betances in particular was instructed to throw mainly fastballs for a period and he started aiming the ball too much and getting into BBs…it’s funny, because I asked Ashmore if this was the case and could he ask Betances, and the trooper and awesome reporter that he is, he got a ton of stuff from Betances on it; he actually might have gotten into some “trouble” because he complained that he wasn’t able to use his secondary stuff enough (to give them different looks) and it was frustrating for him… he does have some issues with his delivery, but he’s also being asked, like you say, to do certain things (Manny too).
The results are often not telling the whole story…He had a couple of great outings in AAA too, where he struck out like 8 and walked one. A step up for him this year, and good things ahead….I’m sorry I couldn’t get out to see both Manny and Dellin at PNC but Irene got in the way…otherwise I could have seen them in that DH.
Erin, no worries, thanks for your response.
I have to say, I was thrilled we won and trumped the King! But I wanted to see our future version of the King!
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Triple -
I’ll stick with my choice of Verlander vs. Felix.
Verlander 162 average = 18-10
Felix 162 average = 14-11
Just look at the numbers Verlander has put up the last 3 seasons, then re-think which of the 2 pitchers is truly an Ace.
Verlander is getting better each year, and had 1 bad season (2008) when he wnt 11-17, but, 2008 19-9, 2009 18-8, and so far this year 22-5. And Verlander is doing it pitching against tougher competition.
New thread =>
Can someone explain why Scott Proctor is on this team?