“He’s done his job better than anyone else”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 14, 2011 
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This is what baseball’s all-time saves list looks like.
1. Trevor Hoffman, 601
2. Mariano Rivera, 600
3. Lee Smith, 478
4. John Franco, 424
5. Billy Wagner, 422
It’s literally two guys, and then everyone else. No one is within 100 of Rivera and Hoffman, and only two other active pitchers — Jason Isringhausen and Francisco Cordero — have as many as 300 saves. It’s not an exaggeration when people say we might never see 600 again.
After last night’s milestone, the Yankees were appreciative of their closer and their moment with history.
Russell Martin: “His focus level is amazing. He never really comes out of his game. He keeps his composure at all times and that’s what amazes me the most about it, how he can stay composed and just make pitch after pitch.”
Joe Girardi: “It’s a gift, a gift that he has. And he has used his gift to the best of his ability, and has given Yankee fans and baseball a lot to cheer about, and to be proud of. And he’s a great guy too on top of that. He’s a humble guy and you’ll never see Mo walk with his chest up.”
Alex Rodriguez: “Just to think about every game Mariano has ever pitched has been a meaningful game, and he’s either been in first place or second place, so the pressure you have to add to that. It’s just like Jeet. You’re doing it at Harvard with the Yankees. Every one of those saves meant something. Every one of them. Some of them were against our teams, whether it was Seattle or Texas, and I knew what an incredible competitor he was and what a weapon he was, even when he didn’t pitch. Pretty amazing… He’s at a point in his career where everything he does is groundbreaking. Every save from here until the end is going to be a new record — his own.”
A.J. Burnett: “I’m always going to be on the winning side of that. We all went out, came out in the ninth to watch it. We wouldn’t miss it, and it’s special. You won’t see it again, I don’t think.”
Derek Jeter: “We’ve been close for a very, very long time. I know how important it is to him to come here and do his job. He takes a lot of pride in doing his job. And he’s done his job better than anyone else… I think that if you ask him, we’re trying to win. We’re trying to win the division, I think that’s probably the first thing on his mind. If the game calls for him to come in, pretty sure he’ll do his job again.”
Mariano Rivera: “It was a great moment for my teammates to be there. They’re my family away from my family. It was great seeing them all come to the mound. I’ve been blessed to have a great bunch of guys as my teammates, supporting me and giving me all the opportunities to be able to pitch.”
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Don’t forget, we’re chatting today at noon. Be there!
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Associated Press photo
. It’s not an exaggeration when people say we might never see 600 again.
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I think Soriano can make a run at 600
Gotta Go To Mo.
I still can’t believe I missed it. Oh well, hopefully I’ll see him break Hoffman’s record.
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Cashman has to realize that Burnett will be in the way of progress after this year. Noesi could make a case to be in the starting rotation in 2012. Phelps and Warren could also be considered. Banuelos and Betances knocking on the door in 2013 after spending most of next year at AAA.
Honestly, does anyone think he doesn’t have another hundred saves in him?
Thanks for these 600 Mo, and the rest to come.
Woops. Accidentally added a couple zeros there.
Erin-
You missed all the players coming out to hug him and I noticed one of the last players was Brackman with his backpack on!!
Lot’s of History bein’ made at NYS this year.
How sweet it is.
Yankee Trader September 14th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Erin-
You missed all the players coming out to hug him and I noticed one of the last players was Brackman with his backpack on!!
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awesome. I love that they all have to carry backpacks.
I totally want to see Kontos with his Elmo backpack BTW.
I think with the remaining schedule the RS are going to limp home and get the wild card, UNLESS, Showalter plays his regulars and wins the majority of the 7 games remaining with them.
I want the Yankees to finish 1st with home field advantage, without the possibility of losing any of the 7 games against the Rays, which the Rays would probably have to win most of them to overtake the RS.
I’ll be rooting for the Orioles to sweep the RS!
Big blow for the Rays yesterday with Price on the mound…..they could still catch the Sox but at this point in the season they can’t afford to go backwards…..they have to either move forward or keep pace. Romero vs Lackey is favorable for Toronto so the Yanks need to push the pedal to the floor and go for the sweep tonight…..if they come back east with a 5 game lead that’s a pretty nice cushion win 2 weeks to go.
YT-
If the Red Sux do not make the playoffs, or are eliminated in the 1st round they are gonna have a lot to think about in the OS especially after the coin Henry laid out.
looks like the sox will get beckett back, him and lester will be tuff to beat in the playoffs, hoping they somehow choke and dont make it in…
Blake-
As much as I’d like to see the Rays overtake the RS or tie them, have a one game playoff with the Sox, winning in extra innings and then taking their ALDS opponent to 5 games, losing in a very long extra inning game, I don’t know if the Rays can sneak in without taking 4 or probably 5 games from us in the 7 games remaining.
Toronto beat the RS with Romero on the mound last week.
The Yankees get to face Cecil, a lefty who the Yankees have hit hard,then a righty rookie in Henderson Alvarez, followed by righty Dustin McGowan who was recently brought up and hit hard by both Boston and Baltimore
MTU September 14th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Lot’s of History bein’ made at NYS this year.
How sweet it is.
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Wait, I thought baseball ended when they vacated the old stadium!!!! It hasn’t?
RiverAveBlues The Yanks almost traded Mariano Rivera (and Jorge Posada) for David Wells back in 1995. http://j.mp/p2k4pZ
JCPD-
A seamless tapestry my Man.
mystique and aura found their way across the street
Here is an interesting question……let’s say the Yanks have the division and HF locked up going into that final series against Tampa…..and Boston has a 1 game lead in the WC…..how will you cheer in that series?
“Imagine how different life would have been with Rivera in a Reds or Tigers uniform for the last 14 seasons.”
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
blake — Boston. Just because I want to beat them silly. I don’t really care about Tampa. On the other hand, I’d love to see Boston knocked out completely. Such a hard choice…
Erin — really sorry you missed the big moment, but it happened very late for you guys.
Hey — if anyone runs across a photo of the newbies with their kiddie backpacks on, will you post a link? I missed seeing them during the game.
Blake-I don’t think I could cheer for either team. But I would love to see “the greatest team ever” not make the playoffs, so I guess the Rays. In any case, I would hope for a sixteen inning affair, totally exhausting both teams.
YankeesPR Yankees farmhands brought home another title last night! Congrats @siyanks on their sixth NYPL championship http://pic.twitter.com/Lae7Ll6
blake – I cheer for Uncle Joe to rest the regulars
Here is an interesting question……let’s say the Yanks have the division and HF locked up going into that final series against Tampa…..and Boston has a 1 game lead in the WC…..how will you cheer in that series?
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Still cheer for the Yankees to finish the season strong while aligning their starting pitching for the 1st round.
The media would fry the Yankees for rolling out all their AAA players in the last 3 game series with the Rays.
Let the chips fall where they may!
Erin
Gossip Break……. text from my daughter. “sad. cam and alex over. googled it. true”
She may be sad about cam and alex but even sadder I bet when she finds out googling and texting in class may have just cost her her phone for a week.
pat September 14th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Erin
Gossip Break……. text from my daughter. “sad. cam and alex over. googled it. true”
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Looks like Alex is back to copying Jete again…
pat- LOL Go easy on her. This is Yankee gossip we’re talking about.
I had a feeling they might be “off again” We’ll see how long it lasts this time.
Pat-
http://www.usmagazine.com/cele.....it-2011149
# 600 for Mariano is phenomenal stuff. Totally in awe of what this man has accomplished and how he’s gone about his business. What a group that came up virtually at the same time… Mariano, Derek, Jorge, Andy and Bernie… all poster boys for being a great Yankee on and off the field.
Hoping for blowouts the next four days so he gets # 601 and # 602 in The Bronx.
Anyone torn over the Boston/Tampa Bay outcome needs counseling.. you MUST root for the Sawx to miss the post-season!
Who wins AL ROY with names like:
Eric Hosmer, Aaron Crow of the Royals
Mark Trumbo, Jordan Walden of the Angels
Guillermo Moscoso of the A’s
Dustin Ackley of the Mariners
Jeremy Hellickson of the Rays
OR
Ivan Nova!!
Just to change the subject. Who are your realistic 1 thru 4 in the voting?
Shame,
Yea I think the Yanks would rest their regulars….especially the final game in that scenerio
……it is interesting how the schedule concludes this year and it could make for a crazy finish if the dominoes fall right. Hopefully that final week will be meaningless for the Yanks……that starts with winning tonight and finishing off the sweep.against a team they are much better than
86,
The point was that in that scenario you’d have to pull for the Yankees to lose in that series vs Tampa ……..
That is a tough decision Blake. If the Yankees have already won the AL east and clinched HFA, then I would let the rookies play and see what happens.
Kate,
Very diplomatic …..I agree. Start Betances
Anyone torn over the Boston/Tampa Bay outcome needs counseling.. you MUST root for the Sawx to miss the post-season!
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LOL.
As much as I’d like to see the Rays overtake the RS or tie them, have a one game playoff with the Sox, winning in extra innings and then taking their ALDS opponent to 5 games, losing in a very long extra inning game, I don’t know if the Rays can sneak in without taking 4 or probably 5 games from us in the 7 games remaining.
Without the Orioles taking the majority of games in the 7 games remaining with the RS, I would have trouble rooting for the Rays to beat us enough to box out the RS from the postseason.
Is it realistically possible with the Yankees going full throttle and winning all the remaining series to insure HF?
I will be rooting a lot for the Orioles to beat up the Sox.
Therefore a dilemma!!
That last week being meaningless for us is what might end up sinking the Rays.. If they can’t win the majority of the 7 they have left with us, I don’t know that they can pull close enough with Boston battling the O’s.
Yanks and Sox have been neck & neck most of the season. Last time either team was 4 games ahead of the other was back in early May when the Yanks were 20-14 and the Sox were 17-20. Yanks go 7-8 till the end and the Sox still need to go 11-4 to tie(win) the division.
The Yanks have already won the division.
Blake —
I know… but I have three goals every year… win the AL east, Earn HF advantage.. keep Boston out of the post-season.
I don’t ascribe to the theory that only a WS title matters… I’m a happy camper if I get my big three every year. Then it’s time for greed.
Trader —
Hellickson would get my R-O-Y vote at this moment and would be inclined to vote Nova 2 and Trumbo 3…
As unbreakable as Mariano’s saves record will be, it’s even less likely that any pitcher will have as many postseason saves as he’s accomplished with more yet to come.
blake September 14th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Here is an interesting question……let’s say the Yanks have the division and HF locked up going into that final series against Tampa…..and Boston has a 1 game lead in the WC…..how will you cheer in that series?
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Rest for our starting lineup and ample work for Scott Proctor.
YankeesPR Yanks 2012 schedule released; open 4/6 in TB; 1st home gm 4/13 vs. LAA; close season 3-gm ‘stand vs. BOS; will be up soon on yankees.com
RiverAveBlues Yanks get the Reds, Braves (2x), and Nats in interleague play next year. The Mets too, obviously.
Hmm.. I wonder if that means they’ll still be home on 4/17.. they’ve played home on my birthday every year for the past 5 or 6 seasons. I hope they do again next year or else I’m not sure how I’d go about celebrating myself.
Erin September 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
RiverAveBlues Yanks get the Reds, Braves (2x), and Nats in interleague play next year. The Mets too, obviously.
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Christian Garcia may make it to Yankee Stadium afterall, but in a visitor uni
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Gotta go. Have a great day all. Looking for the Yankees to finish strong, win the division and get HF advantage, and somehow have the Red Sox finish 3rd!!
Should have hung with Garcia a little longer, too good an arm…
RiverAveBlues Yanks have a 10-day, 9-game road trip from Sep. 3-13, 2012. Prime opportunity for Yankee Stadium concerts.
Here is the posting on MLB for Thursdays pitching matchups. Red Sux = TBA,
scraping the bottom of the barrel !
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Tampa Bay Rays vs. Boston Red Sox
Thursday, September 15, 7:10 PM EDT, Fenway Park
Jeremy Hellickson, RHP To Be Announced
Stats
12-10, 2.96 ERA
Last 3 starts
Last 10 years vs. BOS
Last 5 years vs. BOS hitters
Career stats
Hellickson allowed Boston three runs on five hits over six innings Saturday. The Rookie of the Year candidate earned his first win of the season April 11 in the Rays’ 16-5 victory over the Red Sox, allowing two runs on five hits over 5 1/3 frames.
Is it Yanks @ Washington? That would be a great road trip for fans. A Megabus party down I-95.
Missed the whole thing. Fall allergies are kicking my butt so I fell asleep at some point in the game. Thrilled for AJ, blown away for Mo.
I find myself getting teary any time something happens that relates to Mo. That includes reading his comments later because he is the most genuinely self-effacing individual of that kind of talent that I think I have ever witnessed.
I am praying that Mo comes to ST next season and gets yet another contract extension. I mean, why not.
My insides get kind of jittery if I think about the possibility of life without Mo. So I try desperately not to think about it, but the monumental events tend to bring it to the forefront.
JAP,
So just throw Proctor that whole series
So there’s a 60% chance that the Yanks see Strausberg next yr.
haha I see what you guys are up to…trying to make sure Proctor is unavailable for the play offs
blake, that’s the idea. We know he has a rubber arm
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Sttasburg should start preparing now in case he has to face Montero
blake September 14th, 2011 at 10:29 am
JAP,
So just throw Proctor that whole series
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Going to have to call up Igawa also to make sure he gets his innings in.
RiverAveBlues Yankees 2012 Schedule (link to PDF): http://j.mp/oWHwV3
link to next yr’s schedule:
http://riveraveblues.com/wp-co.....hedule.pdf
upstate, his sacrifice is for a genuinely good cause
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Cool. Thanks, CC.
Hmmmm…I see they play the Nationals on my birthday next year. In ’09 they played them on my birthday and went on to win the world series. I’m liking this.
Checking out ESPN and MLB for copy on Mo. Will also watch the archive of the game. Wish I had been there – so to speak. I’ll be at least taping the rest of the west coast games (don’t even know our schedule) so that I have Mo’s record breaker if I don’t get to see it. That I will keep for posterity.
blake, that’s the idea. We know he
hashad a rubber arm .Since when do teams play NL teams more than once (other than their natural rivals). Why would they play 6 games against the Braves next yr? I dont ever remember this happening before.
So no Garcia at Yankee Stadium….cool series to go to though; nice weekend in DC…
LOL, blake.
Hoping for a laugher tonight so we can (not) see the kids again…
Ahhh me and the Yanks vs. the Twins… perfect way to celebrate myself next year.
RiverAveBlues The Yankees are indeed on the road for Memorial Day, Labor Day and July 4th in 2012.
“Hoping for a laugher tonight so we can (not) see the kids again…”
Hehehehe.. I’m just glad tonight we’ll get the line up a bit earlier (and for all you early birds, you should be able to catch at least an extra hour of the game tonight). I want to know who is going to catch…
Shame, is that code for something?
They are playing at 10 again right?
Shame, meant that about your cryptic Minny comment….
I forget – who’s pitching tonight…? But I’m guessing is Martin is feeling ok he’ll be back there again.
Yes, 10 EST.
Oh yea, Nova’s going. Catch Jesus!
Shame-does tonight’s game start earlier?
Erin – Its a weird 9pm start.
J. Alfred – They play Minny next year on my birthday
I’m hoping “Monty” is in there with Nova pitching today.
Swisher sure threw cautiously last night. I don’t know how he can throw if needed in a game. I would give him today off in the field and have him DH, putting Jones in right, Gardner in left and Montero as catcher. Tendinitis requires rest and I doubt Swisher has had enough. This would give him two more days without throwing.
Tonight’s game is listed at 10:10. Should be an afternoon get away game.
Oh, Shame, then happy nextyear birthday to you.
MLB probables says tonight’s game is 10:10 p.m. EDT.
Nice 2012 schedule.
Ive already got my eye on Labor day weekend in SF to catch a game.
Shame-oh, that’s weird. I didn’t realize. No I just have to remember to turn it on at 8:00.
Erin,
Tonight’s game starts atthe same time as the last two, 9:10. I hate late games even from the central time zone.
where do you see it at 9 Shame?
Looks like a trip to our Nation’s Capital to see the Yanks-Nats series may be in the cards for next June…
Game replay is on YES right now, in the 7th inning, for anyone who wants to tune in in time for the 9th and relive Mo’s glorious 600th…
Congrats to SI, as well!
Just setting aside personal preference, I agree that Montero should catch tonight.
Important to throw him in there fairly regularly with postseason looming. He’s the BUC. I was hoping that deep fly to center would somehow hook away into the gap…he’s special. Keep him warm by catching him on non-DH days…
OK, now I’m confused. Do I turn it on at 8:00 or 9:00???
Game tonight is at 10PM with BP starting at 9PM. Just re-checked the YES channel’s guide.
Active save leaders
1. Mariano Rivera (41) 600 R
2. Francisco Cordero (36) 323 R
3. Jason Isringhausen (38) 300 R
4. Francisco Rodriguez (29) 291 R
5. Joe Nathan (36) 260 R
6. Jose Valverde (33) 236 R
7. Brad Lidge (34) 223 R
8. Jonathan Papelbon (30) 217 R
9. Brian Fuentes (35) 199 L
10. Huston Street (27) 178
I think other pitchers will exceed 600 saves. Rodreguez, Papelbon and Street are young enough that one of them might pitch over 10 more years and reach the 600 save level. However, I don’t think anyone will match Mo’s ERA+ over 1000+ innings or match his incredible post-season record.
Yankfem, no Mason Williams for you (or me, for that matter) tonight
. Sounds like Tracy threw a great game.
That is, 10 eastern time…
OK, so it’s 9:00 as usual. Thanks yankeefem
I’m excited-I actually get the YES feed tonight
Erin, excited about listening to Michael Kay???
Pruf, I had no choice but to wait a day after going to the Jet game Sunday. PLus working a little too late to get there reasonably. No way I could get to SI Tuesday. But really happy I saw 5-tool Mason et al play earlier in the year. Now we probably won’t get to see most of these kids for a couple of years until they get to Trenton. Except for a few games in Lakewood. I am hoping Charleston plays there twice next season. Fingers crossed.
I think other pitchers will exceed 600 saves. Rodreguez, Papelbon and Street are young enough that one of them might pitch over 10 more years and reach the 600 save level.
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Sorry, I doubt either of those 3 are healthy/effective enough to reach 600 saves.
J. Alfred Prufrock September 14th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Erin, excited about listening to Michael Kay???
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Believe it or not, yes. When you’re subjected to the other team’s broadcast pretty much every time they’re on the road, you grow to appreciate Michael Kay.
Erin, good for you! It most be so frustrating to not get games. I am so spoiled.
Although I do see on this new sched for next season that our annual trip to RI falls on a week when the Red Sox are at Yankees. Ugh. Those August dates are in stone has far as my travel goes, but maybe I can come back a day early if they make that Sunday game in NY a night game. But will kind of be fun to be up in New England watching games against Sox while there. Especially as World Series champs. 
*must* not most
I missed the end of the game, so I will have to catch it on replay, but Mo is the greatest who ever lived – and that was before he even came close to the record. That is why I think the chase of this record has gotten relatively little attention – because Mo was acknowledged to be the best even without it. I hope when Mo retires that they name an award after him……….
Mo is my favorite Yankee not just because of how good he is as a player, but also how good he is as a person. There is never any showmanship with him – no showing up the other players. He just gets his job done quietly and efficiently.
Erin, I understand but when you are overexposed to Kay as we are, you usually have to intermittently put the mute button on. His voice on verbiage alone drive me crazy.
yankeefeminista September 14th, 2011 at 11:07 am
But will kind of be fun to be up in New England watching games against Sox while there. Especially as World Series champs.
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I like the way you think yankeefem.
I hope when Mo retires that they name an award after him
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They would have already but MLB execs thought it would be tacky if Mo constantly won his own award.
Erin September 14th, 2011 at 10:14 am
YankeesPR Yanks 2012 schedule released; open 4/6 in TB; 1st home gm 4/13 vs. LAA; close season 3-gm ‘stand vs. BOS; will be up soon on yankees.com
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Great Erin, now the whining can already start about the schedule for next year and we haven’t even gotten to the end of this year’s regular season. Seems like yesterday there was all the whining in spring training about how screwed the Yanks were with all those road games in August and the post all star break schedule.
voice *and* verbiage. Sorry, b/c of this road trip, I am on a west coast sched. Go to sleep at 3AM b/c I am so wired after a game, and wake up at 11AM ET. Still waking up…
DRob’s now on the mound and ready to load bases and then wriggle out of it, as usual.
yankeefeminista September 14th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Erin, I understand but when you are overexposed to Kay as we are, you usually have to intermittently put the mute button on. His voice on verbiage alone drive me crazy.
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I understand. Believe me, there are times when I roll my eyes at him, but I’d still take him (and whoever else is in the booth with him) over any other broadcast team
As to AJ, very good game…….he’s still capable of dominating, which is extremely frustrating because those games come once in a blue moon
Six hundred saves means 30yr/ for 20 yearsor 40/yr. for 15 years. Not many closers retain their stuff for that long or are anywhere near that consistent. I think this record stands a good while.
Yankfem, I’d like to see that Nationals’ ballpark…great road trip. Be even better if we were at Baltimore on the same trip…that’s a city I love staying in and Camden Yards is my favorite away park.
Yea, I’d definitely take that trip to Lakewood again. It was great to see those kids 3 days in a row…looking forward especially to getting Gary Sanchez and JR Murphy up here to Trenton when the time comes…Mason’s gonna move fast, but probably you’re right about two years until he gets here…
Erin, Michael Kay appreciation..hmmm…..I guess I’d have to be in your shoes to understand that one
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Erin
Did it after 2009, one of my most fun times in RI. Also loved being WS champs while going to college in Boston. I am a vet at embracing New England hospitality.
I doubt anyone will ever top Mo’s 42 post season wins
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
I have a new found appreciation for kay after watching any Yankees game broadcast by fox or espn
Pruf, I am counting the days until Gary Sanchez is in Trenton. Two days of seeing him and I cannot wait until we get to watch him every day. Definitely my favorite position player.
Although Mason is right there with Sanchez.
Betsy, AJ’s curveball was ridiculous last night.
Ah dang, sorry for the confusion folks. I think I was looking at that Angel game from the weekend.
upstate kate September 14th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I have a new found appreciation for kay after watching any Yankees game broadcast by fox or espn
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kate, watch a White Sox feed when they play Chicago. You’d never complain about Kay again, trust me.
The Yankees are not, IMO, going to eat most of AJ’s contract, and even if they did and they traded him, what is your rotation next year? CC, Nova, maybe Garcia, Hughes and Noesi? No way do I see the Yankees going with that……….
10pm game which will get them into Toronto about 9am Thursday morning.
MLB couldn’t figure out how to schedule them a make-up game tomorrow night instead of the off day?
No way do I see the Yankees going with that……….
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Add Yu Darvish in there.
upstate kate September 14th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I have a new found appreciation for kay after watching any Yankees game broadcast by fox or espn
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Kate, I grant you that ESPN or FOX could drive even me into Kay’s arms….horrific comes to mind.
Where the hell is DePaula???
Speaking of Mason and the victorious SI Yankees, here are a couple of links. (Or here’s one; I will add the other one separately.) This was a heckuva team. We have so much talent.
http://www.silive.com/siyankee.....ord_2.html
RiverAveBlues Not on preliminary reg season sked, but Yanks set to play a pair of exhibition games to open the Miami Marlins’ new stadium on April 1 & 2.
Yankeesfem, he still has a very good arm, but you never know when his curve is going to be there or not for him……….or any of his pitches.
I guess the team is going to go with a 6 man rotation until the end of the season………..
Nope, I’m not going to do that, Jerfkace…………
2nd SI link: http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....8;sid=t586
K-Rob! (replay)
yankeefeminista September 14th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Pruf, I am counting the days until Gary Sanchez is in Trenton. Two days of seeing him and I cannot wait until we get to watch him every day. Definitely my favorite position player.
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Yea, Sanchez and Williams, plus I have my weakness for Anderson Felizzzzzzzzzz! And Murphy’s dynamite stick! I really want to see more of Gumbs….that’s out the window for the present time, though…I have every confidence that Sanchez, though apparently had a down year behind the plate and trouble with offspeed pitches, will develop into a real good catcher and figure it out at the plate…too, too, too much raw power, athleticism…
Pruf, hopefully we will see him next year. Wonder how not being active affects DePaula’s development. He was on DSL1 roster but never pitched.
AJ’s CB was crazy last night…had both vertical and horizontal dance to it. DRob didn’t throw barely any curves…don’t know if he didn’t have a feel for it last night or he just wanted to hum it in there because of the velo and the M’s lineup…he can’t be available tonight, I imagine.
I am hurting today after staying up until 1:00 a.m., but it was well worth it to see Mo make history, yet again.
It is a team game and at the end of the day winning is all that matters, but what a joy it has been to see Jeter and Mo, two living legends, reach these milestones.
MosheTYA
The marlins play 12 games total against the Rays and Red Sox, none against the Yankees.
Yankfem, thanks for link. Be nice if Tracy could really develop. Can always use the lefties…I see where Burawa, Whitley and Claiborne all headed to AFL.
Pruf, instructional league starts next Wed. btw. Can’t wait to get reports. Sanchez, B Mitchell, Bichette, Cito and a ton of other prospects will be there. Love Instructs.
Nope, I’m not going to do that, Jerfkace…………
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If the Yankees traded AJ they would only do it if they were going to bring in another pitcher via trade or FA or posting. So you need to do better theory crafting than, “If they trade AJ they will obviously be stuck with a bad rotation and they aren’t gonna do that!’ as if trading AJ is the only move to make.
Mo is on the mound for those who missed it and have a TV nearby.
Thanks for the link Yankeefem. LOL at the “apple cider flowing freely”…I suppose many of them are not of legal drinking age.
Pruf, Buwara has a nice power arm; speaking of BP, Kahnle too will be at Instructs.
kate, very likely. Some of them are mere babes.
To make any assumptions as to what the Yankees are going to do rotation wise in 2012 is absurd. We don’t know who will be dealt, who we might acquire, who might get hurt, how contract issues will be dealt with, etc.
Jerk, maybe the Yanks can add a hard throwing right-hander to the rotation next year without making a deal…..
yankfem, Kahnle & Burawa are both intriguing…gotta run.
Have a great day.
Ooooh…now I want apple cider. Carmel apple cider, preferably.
Jerkface,there really is no point in discussing this since I already know how you feel about Darvish. I am not interested in the Yankees pursuing him in any way and I absolutely would not trust him to be a linchpin in our rotation when first he has to prove he’s a capable major league pitcher. He’s not on my ken at all and if the Yankees pursue him and expect him to be linchpin, they are making a huge mistake.
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The point is anyway that having Noesi and Hughes in a rotation is not something I see Cashman as doing…….there’s too much uncertainty there and this would be the case even if they had a lockdown first 3.
FakePeteGammons Fake Peter Gammons
Thank You ESPN for putting Wakefields 200th on front page over Rivera’s tiny milestone. 600 saves pales in comparison to 200 wins in Boston!
FakePeteGammons Thank You ESPN for putting Wakefields 200th on front page over Rivera’s tiny milestone. 600 saves pales in comparison to 200 wins in Boston!
Doc Iac- jinx.
Betsy,
Its not about Darvish. Replace Darvish with anyone else. Just saying your strawman about the Yankee rotation doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. You cannot say they won’t trade AJ because *insert terrible rotation that will never happen here*. You know the Yankees would make a trade or bring in a FA.
Erin September 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Doc Iac- jinx.
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So what you’re saying, Betsy, is that you’ll keep an open mind about Yu Darvish?
Jerkface, what great FA is on the market and what teams are trading their stud young pitchers? Anyway, I don’t think the Yankees would agree to eat most of AJ’s contract so I do not think he’s going anywhere.
I feel like crafty Cash can come up with some way of dealing with Allen James.
Jerkface, what great FA is on the market and what teams are trading their stud young pitchers? Anyway, I don’t think the Yankees would agree to eat most of AJ’s contract so I do not think he’s going anywhere.
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CJ Wilson, why does it have to be a young stud? All they have to do is replace AJ with a pitcher better than AJ. That is literally like almost 90% of the starters in baseball. CC-Better than AJ-Nova-Garcia/Colon-Hughes is already a good rotation without considering Betances or Banuelos coming up next year or Noesi getting a shot.
If Darvish costs too much you can add Noesi for free
I do not want to throw big $$ at CJ Wilson….and I don’t agree with you about that rotation anyway.
I don’t really want CJ Wilson but he’s having a really nice season……I.wish they coukd sign him short term and just offer him a bunch of cash for 2 years.
Stick Micheal was.just on radio talking about Mo…..really cool.
New Post: LoHud Yankees chat starts at noon
I do not want to throw big $$ at CJ Wilson
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OK but its not you its the Yankees. You literally crafted a terrible scenario to justify saying the Yankees wouldnt trade AJ. When they clearly could replace him in a number of ways that doesn’t result in your straw man rotation.
If your opinion is that AJ is better than CJ wilson or whatever thats fine, but you asked what the rotation would be if they traded AJ and then ignored every possibility. Try not to do that and then dismiss all the options you didnt think of out of hand.
blake, what did Stick say?
Blake, I don’t care about the money as much as I do the fact that Darvish has a ton to prove and he’s not a guy I would count on at all to be some top of the rotation starter……..Let him prove it first in the majors. The Yankees have enough uncertainty in their rotation without spending huge $$$ on someone who hasn’t thrown one pitch here.
I expect AJ to be here and I’m not going to spend anytime trying to figure out how they would get rid of him because it’s not that important to me. He won’t be here past 2013 anyway.
And Noesi/Hughes in the rotation? I don’t see it.
And Nova/Hughes in the rotation? I don’t see it.
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Oh hey its 2010
Betsy,
What do you see?
Yankeefem,
Nothing really specific….just talking about him bland how.awesome he is. He did say that he thinks he coukd have been a really good.starter as well.
Blake, I don’t know……maybe Hughes and Noesi battling for a spot because I think Cashman likes Noesi a lot. CC, Nova, AJ……hopefully Garcia and Hughes or Noesi.
Because that comment makes any sense, Jerkface
It makes perfect sense. Why wouldn’t the Yankees put Hughes & Noesi in the rotation?
You’re perfectly willing to put an unproven Ivan Nova in the rotation now!
It makes no sense because I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Noesi- a rookie. Phil – shaky to say the least. That back end makes sense?
blake, interesting about the SP comment Last night in the postgame interview, Jeter objected to Kim saying Mo throws only one pitch, and cited Mo’s 3 FB pitches that he just happens to throw at the same speed.
Last thing I am worried about is our rotation next year. We have many options.
Nova is unproven? Do you want to make him try out for the rotation again?
I am saying that I find your lack of faith is disturbing. Ivan Nova/Phil Hughes would have got the same reaction last year and its worked out.
How else to break pitchers in to the rotation? Noesi has proven he can get big leaguers out. Next step is rotation. Ivan Nova did the same thing in 2010, has done a good job in 2011. Hughes has been a question mark every year and somehow it works out. The worst pitcher in the rotation is AJ Burnett, replacing him with anyone is a win.
Yankeefem,
Yea I’ve been.saying that for awhile….Rivera doesn’t throw 1 pitch. He throws 3….cutter, 2 seam, and 4 seam. He moves the ball both directions and they look the same out of his hand…….
Ok, so you find my lack of faith disturbing…….Why do you think Cashman traded for Vasquez? He wanted there to be little pressure on Hughes in 2010 – for there to be some sort of buffer zone. I hardly think Hughes is anyone’s idea of a buffer zone for Noesi……….and you call my arguments weak? Your argument, that “well it’s always worked out with Hughes in the rotation” is rather weak as well.
Your argument, that “well it’s always worked out with Hughes in the rotation” is rather weak as well.
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No, sorry, your argument is weak because its predicated on ‘well I don’t like the #1 international free agent or #1 mlb free agent so theres no options!!’ And I did not say anything about 2010 rotation with Vazquez. In 2010 offseason you would have poopoo’d nova/hughes in the same rotation going into 2011, but they have been fine. This is how rotations are formed with home grown talent, and the Yankees will never just flounder in the rotation. They always bring in free agents, or trades, and we have copious amounts of backup.
Without trading AJ its CC-AJ-Nova-Hughes+1 , with trading AJ its CC-Nova-Hughes+2 and you know one of those +2 would be a FA/trade.
And of course Nova doesnt have to prove himself again. I was pointing out the irony of you penciling in Nova to the future rotations with confidence despite him being in the same position Noesi was in 1 year ago.
blake September 14th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Yankeefem,
Yea I’ve been.saying that for awhile….Rivera doesn’t throw 1 pitch. He throws 3….cutter, 2 seam, and 4 seam. He moves the ball both directions and they look the same out of his hand…….
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Old habits die hard, but they are clearly different pitches. I know he can throw a changeup. But the narrative was Mo was relegated to the pen because he didn’t have enough pitches… The rest is history. Although, he probably could, but I can’t imagine Mo throwing a CB or slider.
I have no problem with Noesi, I have a problem with Hughes and Noesi…………I wouldn’t expect the latter to pitch like Nova this year, but that’s fine. I don’t think Hughes is that good, so no…….I don’t want a rookie and Hughes at the back end.
You can personally not want to spend a lot of money on CJ Wilson, but if they traded AJ Burnett and signed CJ Wilson their 2012 rotation would be vastly improved. Which disproves the ‘But the yankees wouldn’t trade AJ becuz their rotation would be bad!’ theory.
Cashman et al have many questions to answer and decisions to make before anything is decided on the 2012 rotation. And that may not be until March.
1. Job one. Sign Sabathia to an extension.
2. Keep or try to deal Hughes? Will any GM inquire about him and what will they be willing to give up? He is in his second arbitration year
3. Garcia and Colon are FA. They will have to consider if they want to keep one or both and if they do, what they will offer them. Will the players accept or test free agency? Both could be gone.
4. They will have to make a decision on Burnett. They know who he is, they know they owe $33 million through 2013. Will they try to deal him and eat some salary? They have to make that decision and if they do does anyone want him.
5. Nova seems to be a lock but you never know what another team may offer so I am sure Cashman will have an open mind. His value to the Yankees is very high but so is his value to other teams and it doesn’t hurt to test the waters. There are some pretty poor GM’s out there that might overpay – that’s why you always listen.
6. The Yankees should have a very good idea as to how they value each and every one of their minor-league prospects now. They have gotten a good look in AA and AAA and some in the show. They have a lot of talent to deal if the return is good enough and they can fill a slot.
7. Free agency acquisitions. How do they value who is out there, in what role. Darvish as well.
8. What in-house players do the Yankees think can compete for a rotation spot? Do they think Noesi can? They saw him against major league hitters and should have an idea.
Lot’s to do before any inkling of a rotation in 2012 manifests itself.
I think we got Vasquez ‘cos they didn’t trust Joba, not Hughes.
Betsy, you sound defensive.
Jerkface’s point is that a year ago you probably didn’t think Hughez/Nova was realistic for this season, so perhaps you should be more open to the idea of Hughes/Noesi next season.
Jerkface, you clearly haven’t read my posts. I do not think the Yankees will trade AJ because Hal and Hank, IMO, are not going to eat his contract – that is the primary reason he will be here. I hope, regardless, they do not throw huge $$$ and years at Wilson.
Nick, thanks for your opinion…..
I am out of here. Have fun and play nice!:)
Hmmmmmm….. 2012 rotation????? Can we at least finish the season first????
Also, last time I checked, Joba was not in the 2010 …..It was not a matter of not trusting Hughes, it was a matter of trying to protect a kid starter from having the pressure on him to perform that he eventually did.
So because the Nova part of the equation worked out, it’s automatic that Noesi/Hughes will? I’m fine with Noesi…….this has nothing to do with him, and more to do with Hughes.
Betsy I read and responded to one of your posts specifically, implying I read it. I am arguing against the logic you used in that specific post. Which is that the Yankees would not trade AJ because the Yankees wouldn’t have a rotation of CC, Nova, Garcia, Hughes, Noesi.
Jerkface, no you didn’t. This is what I said:
****The Yankees are not, IMO, going to eat most of AJ’s contract, and even if they did and they traded him, what is your rotation next year? CC, Nova, maybe Garcia, Hughes and Noesi? No way do I see the Yankees going with that……….***
The first sentence clearly indicates that the absolute primary reason for AJ not being traded would be financial. The other reason, the rotation, would be secondary.
Ok and I responded to the second part. Which is why we’ve had this discussion. Can you read my posts?
You are also working under an assumption that they would have to eat most of his salary to trade him. Instead of a palatable amount.
Ah, but Joba was a candidate for the 2010 rotation as part of a so-called competition for the 5th spot.
I think Phil is doing well now. Very positive signs. Good progress.
Noesi is better than AJ…..so if the Yankees coukd deal him and save any money at all them its a win win…..better pitcher in the rotation and more money in the bank
Blake, Noesi hasn’t thrown one pitch in the majors………..
Presumably you mean as a starter. He has been in the bullpen for like 4 months.
I don’t think the Yankees are looking at Noesi as better than AJ in any circumstances. Let him prove himself in the big leagues first – and also, I don’t think the Yankees believe AJ is nearly this bad. If they trade him, fine- if they don’t, fine.
Well if you can’t figure that out, Jerkface, I don’t know what to tell you.
“Blake, Noesi hasn’t thrown one pitch in the majors………..”
Really? He’s thrown a lot of them…..
Noesi coukd pitch to a 5 Era like AJ…..he’d probably do better than that…..
Let him prove himself in the big leagues first
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He has done a pretty good job????????????? Nova did the same thing.
Really, Blake? He’s thrown them as a starter? Let’s just agree to disagree on this……….Until Noesi gets through a whole season as a starter, I’m not going to evaluate him as being better than any other major league starter.
Betsy,
The problem is that AJ isn’t very good….and hasn’t been in two years…….if you can replace him with someone 10 years younger and significantly cheaper then I don’t think you let inexpereince stand in the way of that……it would be different if AJ had been pitching well.
Jerkface, there’s no point in continuing to argue. If this were a pleasant and friendly conversation, maybe, but it’s not. We don’t agree on anything and I have no interest in carrying on an increasingly antagonistic conversation. Have a great day.
What’s unpleasant…..this is a point counterpoint….nobody is trying to argue
Blake, I have no problem with Noesi………..and I’ve said that multiple times. However, I’m just not going to say he’s a better starter than AJ when he hasn’t even started one game. One game won’t prove it to me either. Either way, it doesn’t matter. I expect AJ to be in the rotation, so the issue is Noesi/Nughes, not Noesi/AJ.
Blake, I never have unpleasant conversations with you, but I do not like arguments and that is what the conversation between Jerkface and I has dissolved into. I like to have discussions with people who I believe at least respect, even if they don’t agree, with my opinions. I’m not here to blast Jerkface at all – I have no interest or reason to do that – but in real life, sometimes you just have to walk away and I’m doing that with him. It wasn’t fun for me and so why on earth would I want to continue something that wasn’t fun?
Betsy,
You’d have to at least concede that Noesi wouldn’t have to do much to produce as much as AJ though right?
Blake, this has never been about Noesi/AJ for me, though. I am not under any delusions that AJ is great – at this point he is just absolutely mediocre. However, I am surprised by Nova’s year – and so I’m not going to assume that Noesi would even come close to duplicating it. I’m fine with Noesi replacing Hughes because I think he’d probably be better..
Why are you ok with Noesi replacing Hughes (who is 25 and still can improve) but not AJ who is 34 and is only going to get worse.
Blake, I don’t tend to engage in speculation that I think is moot. I mean, I think AJ is here to stay(at least until his contract expires). It probably doesn’t matter if he replaces AJ or Hughes, though.
I’m here to give major props to AJ Burnett. Now did I know for sure that he would come through? Nobody can know that for sure. But did I stay in his camp? You betcha. I’d say just call me perspicacious but don’t want to take heat for my perspicacity, so I won’t say it.
About Mo – I don’t think I am worthy of even attempting to talk about him. I will say this though. And not to bring religion into this, but the first thing that Mo does no matter what the accomplishment is thank God. He gives it all over to God and takes no credit whatsoever for his talent. I find that absolutely beautiful. You want to know where his humility comes from? Look no further than his belief system. Wish I could be more like him…
Interesting comments from Chad on the Live Chat. He seems to agree with me 100%.
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Question: “How committed to Phil Hughes do you think Cashman is going forward in 2012?”
Chad: “I think the Yankees are fully committed to Hughes. His trade value is low, but his upside is still awfully high. No reason to back away from him now.”
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Question: “Do you see any way the Yankees will look at Joba as a starter again – or has that ship sailed long ago and forever?”
Chad: “That ship sailed. Definitely.”
I believe Joba will have an opportunity to start again. So do some others here.
So I guess it’s a wait and watch.
“You betcha. I’d say just call me perspicacious but don’t want to take heat for my perspicacity, so I won’t say it.”
Trisha…..please refrain from using big words. Thanks.
blake –
“And not to bring religion into this” – but hey, why don’t I bring religion into this!
Yes that must be it! God decided to bestow a cutter on Mariano Rivera but he decides to let 25,000 people die every day of hunger including thousands of infants!
Espn having a discussion on the Mt Rushmore for the Yanks…..thoughts?
Mine…..Babe, Gehrig, Mantle, Jeter.
Blake, that’s a ridiculously tough question….the Yankees MT. Rushmore needs more than 4, lol.
I can’t argue with you, but I think I would replace Jeter with Mo…….or at least put half of Mo and half of Jeter’s face up there.
Babe, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle. (I might be convinced to swap Jeter or Mo for Joe)
“Yes that must be it! God decided to bestow a cutter on Mariano Rivera but he decides to let 25,000 people die every day of hunger including thousands of infants!”
Yeah He sure works in strage ways. Anyway, I thank the dear Lord that He made me a Yankee fan, because I get to watch the God-fearing and God-respecting Mariano showcase the talent that He has given him.
Hotdog!
They could do a two face type deal with Jeter and Mo……I think one of them.has to.be up there though.
Yes that must be it! God decided to bestow a cutter on Mariano Rivera but he decides to let 25,000 people die every day of hunger including thousands of infants!
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Are you calling Mariano Rivera a liar?
Blasphemy!
LGY, apparently that is what he was doing. But I figure he’ll atone for that some day in a very warm place.