With AROD ailing and aging I’m still wondering if the Yankees secretly covet Prince fielder. These clips from the NY Daily News earlier this year intrigue me:
Fielder said he learned from the way Sabathia handled his impending free agency during his three months with Brewers in 2008, recalling how the big lefty pitched on three days’ rest late in the season to push the ballclub to the playoffs.
“He was almost a little too unselfish,” Fielder said, chuckling. “But I thought it was awesome. To see him do that for a team he was on for only three months, I think I can give my all for a team I’ve been with for six years.”…
Fielder smiled at the mention of the short right-field porch here, but he wouldn’t go near any talk of potential landing spots for next season, though he did leave open the possibility that he could be happy as just a DH.
I’ll tell you what, you guys all know your sh1t. But sometimes I log on here and I don’t even know what you are arguing about.
I mean, can the guys hit with men on base and go from first to third on a single or not?
And the personal arguments here are just weird. I start sweating just trying to get thru it all. Don’t you just get tired after a while? Why would you log on here if you get no enjoyment out of it? Or did I just hit the nail on the head?
I am a fan of the ideas of going after very good players. Fielder qualifies. However, with Montero penciled in as a frequent DH and with no other spot, it would never happen, IMO. Personally, I would love to watch him hit pop ups over the porch.
Yeah, even when he comes back Arod is not going to be 100 percent. Probably unreasonable to think he’ll go on a tear but he can still play a very valuable part in the postseason. Still he has to get out there to get some ABs and get his timing back soon or he’s going to be way too rusty in the playoffs.
Fielder would rake in YS and sell tickets. We know how ownership thinks when it comes to selling tickets and making money.
The contract is low risk.
Even when Fielder’s bat slows, late into a long term contract, his outs will be HR’s in YS.
If Fielder is the DH, Montero would split time with Martin evenly in 2012 if the Yankees couldn’t find a fair deal involving him. I think they can though.
i wouldn’t mind a scenario where we trade some farm hands for david wright and platoon him and arod at the 3B/DH spot…wright in our lineup + stadium would be quite good. and with no pressure for being the “face of the franchise”, i think he would be an all star again…
Yankee Trader September 16th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
No Montero against the lefty Cecil? Was 2-2 last time he faced him.
Can the Rays really run down the Red Sox? Can the Angels?
Good article from USAToday attached:
http://content.usatoday.com/co…..showdown/1
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Cecil is not starting tonight. He was scratched.
A righty is pitching for the Jays, enter Jorge Posada as the DH.
Its time to get him an at bat or two, especially if Montero start behind the plate
tomorrow or Sunday vs the Jays.
Perhaps Montero is off today, starts behind the plate 1 game and could DH in another game
vs the Jays.
Ownership gave AROD nearly 300 million to hit HR’s… precisely why I wouldn’t rule out 200 million+ for Prince Fielder to due the same. Prince Fielder is a superstar. He’s a huge draw. Glamour is always tempting to the inner circle of suits.
Fielder does not seem like he’s going to age well and I really doubt they’re going to pay $200 million plus for a full-time DH when they will need to use the DH increasingly for Arod and to rest other players.
No way do I want the Yankees to trade Montero to make room for Prince Fielder.
Worried about ARod.
Hassey -
I spend more time scrolling past than reading nowadays. I usually come to pass a few empty minutes in my day. But I think I would agree that some that spend a lot of time arguing back and forth do enjoy the exercise to some extent. That is not a criticism of them, by the way, or a judgment. And I mean the baseball arguments, not the other stuff. No one likes that, I hope.
Really worried about ARod.
Didn’t I just read that Cecil is not pitching tonight, and that would explain no Montero?
Thanks for the update on Brett Cecil. Read the attached USAToday article. I think you’ll like it.
“Blurb” from the article:
“The only factor working in the Rays’ favor is the Yankees may be cooling their heels for the playoffs when they play their final series at Tampa Bay. And how frustrating would it be for the Sox, seeing a Yankee lineup perhaps bereft of a few regulars when they need them to beat the Rays? Fun stuff!”
No way do I want the Yankees to trade Montero to make room for Prince Fielder.
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But there’s a way they would give Fielder a fraction of the money they dolled out to AROD to do the very same thing – hit HR’s and sell tickets. Of course they would figure out how to accommodate Montero after the fact. You certainly don’t trade away a prospect and then bank on Fielder signing. The order is backwards.
But they got ARod with the proviso he would play third base – an open position (or expendable one).
Fielder would have to be the full-time DH, because Teixeira is the full-time 1B. Teixeira doesn’t need a lot of time off. So, there wouldn’t be enough ABs or games for Girardi to give his guys one-half days off. Montero fills the bill best, because with Jeter and ARod absolutely needed more time off, it’s best to have a guy like Montero, who can break in as a catcher on his days off from DH.
Fielder does not seem like he’s going to age well and I really doubt they’re going to pay $200 million plus for a full-time DH when they will need to use the DH increasingly for Arod and to rest other players.
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Big dollar long-term contracts are always a risk, even CC’s. He’s very heavy as well. If Fielder is going to age poorly, DH makes more sense long term than 1b and YS makes more sense than any other ballpark in baseball for Prince.
It’s ironic that the optimum ballpark for AROD aging is Fenway. When his bat slows, many would-be pop fly outs there could still clear the Green Monster. Prince’s swing is really tailor-made for YS.
VNY – Yes, it’s the personal stuff I mean that is just weird. After all, the blog exists FOR baseball arguments, otherwise, why have the blog…that being said, even some of those seem fruitless…seems to me that some posters should just agree to disagree about 5-10 posts sooner than they give up on each other
My basic point is they don’t need Fielder. And all he’d do is complicate things.
I don’t want players just because they’re available. Montero is a once-in-a-long-time-prospect. I’d really like the Yankees to show a commitment to that, rather than going out and signing an uber-expensive DH, whose natural position, 1B, is filled for several years.
We don’t even know if Fielder would be able to DH. Jorge could not. Lance Berkman did not like doing it, and others recently (sorry I can’t think of names right now) who’d rather have restricted playing time in the NL at a position than DH in the AL.
I do agree. I mean, no one ever changes anyone else’s mind, and it all becomes like Charlie Brown adult-speak (waah-waah) after awhile. Same old, same old.
That assumes ownership doesn’t value higher ticket sales, merchandise sales and endorsement deals. They do. They gave 300 million dollars to AROD to basically break (Aaron’s) HR record and become the clean HR king. It’s obvious how highly the check-writers value and need HR power and superstar players like Fielder. Cripes they inserted HR bonus clauses throughout AROD’s contract. 200 million is nothing to these sponsors.
An afternoon after an off-day, with nothing other to talk about, does lead to some extended debates over what some consider trivia. Statistics vs eyes show up. From now to season’s end, though, there should be enough baseball to talk about, with predictable distractions.
But perhaps….Montero could develop into a homegrown star player (and a cheap one at that, at least for awhile). I think that would be more appealing to the ownership than paying big bucks for Prince.
It seems more likely to me that they’ll make a big push in the offseason for a pitcher, whether it be CJ Wilson (although I really think he will re-sign with the Rangers) or Yu Darvish.
The Yankees top priority will be working on an extended contract when CC opts out. They trim 13.1M Posada and 3.75M with Marte and up to another 7M or so if they don’t resign Jones, Garcia, Chavez, Mitre, and/or Colon.
After locking in CC, they’ll be looking for pitching, another starter and probably another lefty in the bullpen, plus bench help. There is no room for Fielder, Pujols as long as the Yankees have Tex at 1st.
Do you think the Yankees have trouble attracting sponsors?
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Not at all because they know when it’s necessary to spend big money on guys like Tex and Sabathia. Ask yourself this, over the next 5 years, who is the biggest superstar on this team? I’d say probably Robinson Cano. After him, there’s a big dropoff because Jeter and AROD are aging and Tex is so inconsistent. Who is the guy outside of Cano that draws oo’s and aah’s from the crowd?
I don’t know if it’s the right time to pounce on another superstar but I wouldn’t put it past ownership. They’re always looking to build the brand into something bigger. Prince is so well-known in baseball. He’s a very popular player, far more popular than Tex was before the Yankees signed him.
And you could make an argument that the Yankees really didn’t “need” Tex because they had acquired Swisher just before signing Tex and they had Montero as a superprospect who could be converted to 1b.
Granderson is obviously a centerpiece player for the Yanks over the next 3-5yrs if his production stays in this range as 40+HR/30 steal CF’ers are few and far between in the game today.
The next step for Curtis in his development as a hitter is going to be improve his contact rate and cutdown on the K’s obviously and I’m sure he’ll huddle up with KLong in Dec. and look to address this issue.
I agree – but I do wonder if Wilson is really someone they would want.
But I do think that Tex, much as I absolutely love the guy, needs to retool that swing a bit. He should be a .300 hitter (or close to it). Hey, I’d be happy with .285. I won’t trash him, ever, because his defense is beyond reproach, and he’s no slacker. But he did used to hit for better average.
Even Pujols had a non-Pujols-like year this season….BA-wise. His HR numbers have climbed, but I haven’t looked at how his Runs and RBIs compare to past seasons.
What about the money they save from trading AJ and Soriano
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MTU-
Alas, they’ll probably have to pay Burnett some extra $$$ to waive his partial NT, and Soriano money too, like the rest of his remaining 35M to opt out!
They got Swisher in case they couldn’t get Tex. Cashman wanted Tex.
And then, Swisher only got to play regularly because Nady got hurt.
Also, as long as Jeter, Mo, Posada and ARod are on the team, it is unlikely that we’ll see who the new attractions are. I say, get Montero started. People are already excited by him, and if things go well, he WILL be the latest, newest, shiniest toy on the block. DRob is making a name for himself already. As you say, Cano is an exciting player. There will be more. People love homegrown. ARod is a situation until himself.
I love Tex but his contract is slowly and surely turning into a bigger disaster than Giambi’s even was.
He wasn’t ever close to the hitter that Giambi ever was and now he’s probably only a better offensive player than two regulars in this lineup (Gardner and Martin).
He’s had a pretty precipitous and sad decline that has been masked by this team’s success over the past 2 years.
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
And now, I’m really done, Bret. I don’t want to go round in circles. You love to trade and buy and make changes and acquisitions, I have a more guarded view.
Prince Fielder is about the last guy on the Yankees radar this off season, it makes 0 sense. Getting him because you think it would add fans to the seats is just laughable IMO. Montero will generate a million times the fan interest since he’s home grown and will be a beast and you can rotate him at Catcher/DH next year. Tex isn’t going anywhere in the next 5 years and is a GG fielder with very good power numbers. A first basemen is the last place they will be looking. Like someone already said CC is the priority, you empty the bank for him. It’s hard to see them being players for any kind of big game hauls this winter. Maybe a trade here or there but that’s about it. Just because they have an endless budget doesn’t mean you go out and spend foolishly. IMO getting Prince would be a very foolish move considering the pieces already in place.
A-rod’s ailments and age and Tex’s contract are bigger issues than most think. The Yankees needed those 2 to be middle order bats long term.
The Yankees basically won the division this year without Alex Rodriguez. A whole ton of factors had to work in the Yankees favor for that to happen (it WILL happen).
Another lefty starter would be nice, but I’m not sure CJ Wilson is the one. I’ll know better once the Yankees face him in YS the 1st game of the ALDS. LOL
Tex supposedly spent less time on the weights in the offseason, working on going the other way, and I believe spent some time with Long in January. I can see why in YS it pays to be a pull hitter, but elsewhere it sure would be nice if he could get that BA from the left side up to some respectable number.
Al in Houston September 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Does anyone else feel like A-Rod has been recovering from a sore thumb toooo long?
What’s the deal?
I guess we’ll find in out in a few minutes when Chad files his manager’s report. My guess is that it’s much more than a sore thumb. As someone posted earlier in the week, it’s more likely to be ligament damage and something that will require an operation at the end of the season. The Yanks’ biggest worry right now is whether the thumb is going to be good enough for him to hit next week and into the playoffs. As I said yesterday, the chances of us seeing the “old” A-Rod again this year are very slim indeed.
One last thing. I would have been okay with trading Montero for Halliday or Lee. There is no other pitcher out there now that I would put in the same place, except for Verlander, and if Verlander is ever available from the Tigers, then the Tiger GM that makes him available is either certifiable or knows something is wrong with him.
Do you think ownership is willing to go into next season and compete for the grand prize if you told them A-rod will play less than 100 games and Tex will spend most of the season in the .240′s.
Can that happen again?
Why not? It already happened.
But what if you told them that there’s no guarantee everything else word work out just peachy, no guarantee they’d make the playoffs?
Tex used to be a bit more balanced. If he could get some of that back, it would be great. I imagine it’s a bit tougher for Switch-hitters to retool than the regular sort of hitter.
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I think ARod will sacrifice his thumb in the playoffs, but can’t do it now. I think someone here wrote that they won’t be surprised to see ARod getting surgery as soon as the post-season ends. I can’t say I disagree with that thought.
Amazing and quite a testament to this team that they are where they are without ARod, and when he was in there, he was not even close to being “the” ARod.
There are never any guarantees. Ever. I’d rather they concentrate on pitching, and spend their money there.
Not only that, for good or for worse, there are those contracts. They have ARod, they have Tex, they have Jeter. Those three. That’s it. You can’t just wish them away, so you might as well hope they work out. All three of those players are three that I would bet on because they put in the work and they have pride.
Fielder could end up being another “contract,” and he’s never been strictly a DH before. Whether he’s agreeable to it or not, there is no guarantee he can do it. Apparently it’s a whole different mindset that does not work for everyone.
It’s a lot of money for a guy who plays a position that is already contractually filled for the time being, who can’t play anywhere else except DH, which is a position that the current manager uses to create flexibility for his older players.
I still believe Gio Gonzalez is a target. Not saying the Yankees will be able to pry him away from Beane’s death grip for a reasonable price. Just sayin’
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
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Agree.
We didn’t pay $189 mil to a guy to hit .240 and OPS .830. He’s being out OPS-ed by guys like Seth Smith, Johnny Peralta, Shane Victorino, Matt Joyce, Carlos Pena, etc. Speaking of Pena, that is basically what he has become now.
AROD’s thumb injury is VERY concerning. It’s been about a month now – he injured it 8/21.
I suspect he has a good tendinitis. These injuries can be nagging and take quite some time to heal.
Problem is that there is not much time left before the playoffs start, and Alex has not really had regular playing time since before the knee injury. He needs a couple of weeks to get back in game shape and get his timing back.
Colon or Garcia? Garcia or Colon? Hmm. My answer would be more appropriate if I waited till the end of the season, hopefully after the Yankees win #28!!
I’m looking at their stats thru 9/11:
Colon has a lower ERA & WHIP as well as BAA, 2nd to CC. He’s given up less walks then Garcia in less innings.
He hits 94 consistently on the radar gun and can pitch out of the bullpen. He is, however, older by what-3years?
Garcia on the other hand has been terrific , throwing the other teams timing off with his junk. However his ERA has soared the last two outings, and if batters can lay off the splitter, they have a better chance of hitting Garcia then of hitting Colon’s fastball with movement, even if they know it’s coming.
At this time I take Colon on a 1 year, maybe 2nd year team or mutual option. I’d insist on him revisiting the stem cell Doc in south Florida.
he’d be good out of the pen or in the starting rotation as needed!!
RSM-
Tell me about it. For all we know the injury could be much worse then what the fans/media have been told to date.
Lying about the injury would not surprise me at all.
Worst cast-If ARod can be healthy enough to play games the final week of the season,
that might be enough games/reps to get him ready for the playoffs.
If Ronnie Lott can scarface his pinky, Alex can scarface his thumb for the postseason. That would give a whole other meaning to giving up your body for a win. Jeter punched the stands with his face. Time for alex to top that.
FakePeteGammons 4 hours If Josh Beckett can’t beat the Rays tonight I expect him to triumphantly drill them w/ pitches until he’s ejected! This is Peter Gammons.
$3.6M in performance bonuses based on starts (to 30 GS)
He won’t get to 30 starts. I believe he’s at 24, but he could argue that had he not been put on DL and had not the Yankees gone with a 6 man rotation he’s pushing for some figure between 1.5M and 5.1M
$3.6M in performance bonuses based on starts (to 30 GS)
He won’t get to 30 starts. I believe he’s at 24, but he could argue that had he not been put on DL and had not the Yankees gone with a 6 man rotation he’s pushing for some figure between 1.5M and 5.1M
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It’s like Comiskey and Cicotte all over again If Garcia did have a performance bonus tied to the number of starts, I hope that the Yanks will do something for him if he just fell short of the mark…
When an old injury lasts for several weeks, it’s referred to as chronic. These conditions usually result in pain, especially when utilized for pinching purposes, and the thumb joint may be unstable and weak in strength. Such injuries can be treated by having the ligaments surgically reconstructed, or by fusing the joint if arthritis has developed.
1. Play thru the Pain
2. Cut off the thumb-but then you’ll be dealing with phantom limb pain
3. Cut the thumb off and reimplant it with one of his toes.
4. Say “Eye of the Tiger” when at bat and ignore it.
MTU,
Your about to make me blow my fuse by fusing with me. Fuse needs to be removed from the dictionary and blocked on this site. Time to see my shrink.
1. Play thru the Pain
2. Cut off the thumb-but then you’ll be dealing with phantom limb pain
3. Cut the thumb off and reimplant it with one of his toes.
4. Say “Eye of the Tiger” when at bat and ignore it.
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I’m no expert, but I imagine that they might be able to try a cortisone shot at some point…
G-C September 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I love Tex but his contract is slowly and surely turning into a bigger disaster than Giambi’s even was.
He wasn’t ever close to the hitter that Giambi ever was and now he’s probably only a better offensive player than two regulars in this lineup (Gardner and Martin).
He’s had a pretty precipitous and sad decline that has been masked by this team’s success over the past 2 years.
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
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Wait, what?
Tex’s left-handed swing needs repair work, no doubt. But his glove alone makes me forget the brutal days of a Giambi-manned first base.
I have to go and meet some friends for dinner. Winning the next four games is certainly doable. I think it’s Pavano on Monday. Wil it be Hughes or Burnett>
Burnett vs Pavano. Wasted $$$$ vs $$$.
I’m attaching this article again from the USAToday about “Can the Rays really run down the Red Sox.”
MLBTR quotes the Dodgers’s GM, Colletti, as saying he wants tom try to sign his players. After the Rangers were allowed to spend during financial crisis, I have no doubt MLB won’t support large expenditures in a critical market. It is far from certain Kemp or Kershaw make it to the free agent market.
Unless a true no. 2 starter becomes available or they can sign Wilson, I don’t see the Yankees doing anything major this winter. Every other position except, arguably LF, is locked up.
With AROD ailing and aging I’m still wondering if the Yankees secretly covet Prince fielder. These clips from the NY Daily News earlier this year intrigue me:
Fielder said he learned from the way Sabathia handled his impending free agency during his three months with Brewers in 2008, recalling how the big lefty pitched on three days’ rest late in the season to push the ballclub to the playoffs.
“He was almost a little too unselfish,” Fielder said, chuckling. “But I thought it was awesome. To see him do that for a team he was on for only three months, I think I can give my all for a team I’ve been with for six years.”…
Fielder smiled at the mention of the short right-field porch here, but he wouldn’t go near any talk of potential landing spots for next season, though he did leave open the possibility that he could be happy as just a DH.
“I’m not ruling anything out,” he said
I’ll be watching the Rays game.
Let’s not compound the worst contract ever with another bloated unnecessary contract.
Free Montero!!!!
I’ll tell you what, you guys all know your sh1t. But sometimes I log on here and I don’t even know what you are arguing about.
I mean, can the guys hit with men on base and go from first to third on a single or not?
And the personal arguments here are just weird. I start sweating just trying to get thru it all. Don’t you just get tired after a while? Why would you log on here if you get no enjoyment out of it? Or did I just hit the nail on the head?
At least Cano’s good to go.
Bret,
I am a fan of the ideas of going after very good players. Fielder qualifies. However, with Montero penciled in as a frequent DH and with no other spot, it would never happen, IMO. Personally, I would love to watch him hit pop ups over the porch.
ARod-This injury has had me worried for what seems like weeks(i am exaggerating).
Good thing the Yankees are in 1st. They have the luxury to sit ARod, give him time to heal while maintaining the division lead.
No Montero against the lefty Cecil? Was 2-2 last time he faced him.
Can the Rays really run down the Red Sox? Can the Angels?
Good article from USAToday attached:
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....showdown/1
Yeah, even when he comes back Arod is not going to be 100 percent. Probably unreasonable to think he’ll go on a tear but he can still play a very valuable part in the postseason. Still he has to get out there to get some ABs and get his timing back soon or he’s going to be way too rusty in the playoffs.
Austinmac,
Fielder would rake in YS and sell tickets. We know how ownership thinks when it comes to selling tickets and making money.
The contract is low risk.
Even when Fielder’s bat slows, late into a long term contract, his outs will be HR’s in YS.
If Fielder is the DH, Montero would split time with Martin evenly in 2012 if the Yankees couldn’t find a fair deal involving him. I think they can though.
i wouldn’t mind a scenario where we trade some farm hands for david wright and platoon him and arod at the 3B/DH spot…wright in our lineup + stadium would be quite good. and with no pressure for being the “face of the franchise”, i think he would be an all star again…
that would make montero available of course…
No Arod, No Montero…..I cannot hide my disappointment
YT,
Cecil cut his finger, Dustin Mcgowan is making the start for the Jays.
YT-
You must have missed it. Cecil was scratched. Cut his index finger and is replaced by Righty McGowan.
Yankee Trader September 16th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
No Montero against the lefty Cecil? Was 2-2 last time he faced him.
Can the Rays really run down the Red Sox? Can the Angels?
Good article from USAToday attached:
http://content.usatoday.com/co…..showdown/1
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Cecil is not starting tonight. He was scratched.
A righty is pitching for the Jays, enter Jorge Posada as the DH.
Its time to get him an at bat or two, especially if Montero start behind the plate
tomorrow or Sunday vs the Jays.
Perhaps Montero is off today, starts behind the plate 1 game and could DH in another game
vs the Jays.
Giradi has a plan!
Actually the first player I noticed missing was Montero, not A-Rod.
Fielder? Yeah, because that’s just what they need- yet another DH.
No montero? Not watching.
Ownership gave AROD nearly 300 million to hit HR’s… precisely why I wouldn’t rule out 200 million+ for Prince Fielder to due the same. Prince Fielder is a superstar. He’s a huge draw. Glamour is always tempting to the inner circle of suits.
Fielder does not seem like he’s going to age well and I really doubt they’re going to pay $200 million plus for a full-time DH when they will need to use the DH increasingly for Arod and to rest other players.
No way do I want the Yankees to trade Montero to make room for Prince Fielder.
Worried about ARod.
Hassey -
I spend more time scrolling past than reading nowadays. I usually come to pass a few empty minutes in my day. But I think I would agree that some that spend a lot of time arguing back and forth do enjoy the exercise to some extent. That is not a criticism of them, by the way, or a judgment. And I mean the baseball arguments, not the other stuff. No one likes that, I hope.
Really worried about ARod.
Didn’t I just read that Cecil is not pitching tonight, and that would explain no Montero?
Villa,
Really nice post last thread.
JM, MTU, Warning Track Power-
Thanks for the update on Brett Cecil. Read the attached USAToday article. I think you’ll like it.
“Blurb” from the article:
“The only factor working in the Rays’ favor is the Yankees may be cooling their heels for the playoffs when they play their final series at Tampa Bay. And how frustrating would it be for the Sox, seeing a Yankee lineup perhaps bereft of a few regulars when they need them to beat the Rays? Fun stuff!”
Villa Nova-Ya September 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
No way do I want the Yankees to trade Montero to make room for Prince Fielder.
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But there’s a way they would give Fielder a fraction of the money they dolled out to AROD to do the very same thing – hit HR’s and sell tickets. Of course they would figure out how to accommodate Montero after the fact. You certainly don’t trade away a prospect and then bank on Fielder signing. The order is backwards.
I don’t mind Jorge getting a start at DH…..I just want Montero to play the other 2 games in the series.
But they got ARod with the proviso he would play third base – an open position (or expendable one).
Fielder would have to be the full-time DH, because Teixeira is the full-time 1B. Teixeira doesn’t need a lot of time off. So, there wouldn’t be enough ABs or games for Girardi to give his guys one-half days off. Montero fills the bill best, because with Jeter and ARod absolutely needed more time off, it’s best to have a guy like Montero, who can break in as a catcher on his days off from DH.
JM September 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Fielder does not seem like he’s going to age well and I really doubt they’re going to pay $200 million plus for a full-time DH when they will need to use the DH increasingly for Arod and to rest other players.
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Big dollar long-term contracts are always a risk, even CC’s. He’s very heavy as well. If Fielder is going to age poorly, DH makes more sense long term than 1b and YS makes more sense than any other ballpark in baseball for Prince.
Unless they’re ready for Montero to be a full-time catcher and don’t keep Martin , and I don’t see that happening
And Montero is cheaper and will also sell tickets.
It’s ironic that the optimum ballpark for AROD aging is Fenway. When his bat slows, many would-be pop fly outs there could still clear the Green Monster. Prince’s swing is really tailor-made for YS.
Villa Nova-Ya September 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Unless they’re ready for Montero to be a full-time catcher and don’t keep Martin , and I don’t see that happening
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Why couldn’t they keep Martin for just one more year? Why is that not an option?
Dustin McGowan last two starts since being recalled:
09/11 vs BAL 3 innings, 4 earned runs,5BB ,0 strikeouts
09/06 vs BOS 4 innings, 3 earned runs, 3BB, 5SO
VNY – Yes, it’s the personal stuff I mean that is just weird. After all, the blog exists FOR baseball arguments, otherwise, why have the blog…that being said, even some of those seem fruitless…seems to me that some posters should just agree to disagree about 5-10 posts sooner than they give up on each other
Villa Nova-Ya September 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
And Montero is cheaper and will also sell tickets.
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But Prince is a brand-name and corporations/sponsors like brand-names. Do you think Montero can reach superstar status before AROD falls apart?
Totally meaningless, but annoying me nonetheless- why is A-Rod being spelled in all caps?
I’m with you Hassey.
Munson and Hassey in the same lineup? Now that would be a doubleheader I’d sit through with a six-pack of Schaefers!
Bret the Hitman,
My basic point is they don’t need Fielder. And all he’d do is complicate things.
I don’t want players just because they’re available. Montero is a once-in-a-long-time-prospect. I’d really like the Yankees to show a commitment to that, rather than going out and signing an uber-expensive DH, whose natural position, 1B, is filled for several years.
We don’t even know if Fielder would be able to DH. Jorge could not. Lance Berkman did not like doing it, and others recently (sorry I can’t think of names right now) who’d rather have restricted playing time in the NL at a position than DH in the AL.
Remember Hassey, I played a little right field back in the day.
Hassey -
I do agree. I mean, no one ever changes anyone else’s mind, and it all becomes like Charlie Brown adult-speak (waah-waah) after awhile. Same old, same old.
Villa Nova-Ya September 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Bret the Hitman,
My basic point is they don’t need Fielder.
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That assumes ownership doesn’t value higher ticket sales, merchandise sales and endorsement deals. They do. They gave 300 million dollars to AROD to basically break (Aaron’s) HR record and become the clean HR king. It’s obvious how highly the check-writers value and need HR power and superstar players like Fielder. Cripes they inserted HR bonus clauses throughout AROD’s contract. 200 million is nothing to these sponsors.
Bret -
Maybe. Maybe so. Sure would be nice if he did, and sure would be nice if it was as a Yankee.
Do you think the Yankees have trouble attracting sponsors?
VN-
Ever seen a dog chase it’s tail and wonder why ?
Doesn’t get ‘em anywhere but it amuses them.
Does anyone else feel like A-Rod has been recovering from a sore thumb toooo long?
What’s the deal?
Hassey
Munson
An afternoon after an off-day, with nothing other to talk about, does lead to some extended debates over what some consider trivia. Statistics vs eyes show up. From now to season’s end, though, there should be enough baseball to talk about, with predictable distractions.
Bret -
Yes, they did do that. And they ended up getting screwed, didn’t they, when the PED thing came out?
Don’t know that Fielder has the same cache as ARod had back then.
MTU -
LOL.
And on that note, I realize I’m about to do that with Bret the Hitman, so, I’ll let him “win.”
But perhaps….Montero could develop into a homegrown star player (and a cheap one at that, at least for awhile). I think that would be more appealing to the ownership than paying big bucks for Prince.
It seems more likely to me that they’ll make a big push in the offseason for a pitcher, whether it be CJ Wilson (although I really think he will re-sign with the Rangers) or Yu Darvish.
The Yankees top priority will be working on an extended contract when CC opts out. They trim 13.1M Posada and 3.75M with Marte and up to another 7M or so if they don’t resign Jones, Garcia, Chavez, Mitre, and/or Colon.
After locking in CC, they’ll be looking for pitching, another starter and probably another lefty in the bullpen, plus bench help. There is no room for Fielder, Pujols as long as the Yankees have Tex at 1st.
And Hassey was a lousy catcher who couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
YT-
What about the money they save from trading AJ and Soriano ?
Villa Nova-Ya September 16th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Do you think the Yankees have trouble attracting sponsors?
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Not at all because they know when it’s necessary to spend big money on guys like Tex and Sabathia. Ask yourself this, over the next 5 years, who is the biggest superstar on this team? I’d say probably Robinson Cano. After him, there’s a big dropoff because Jeter and AROD are aging and Tex is so inconsistent. Who is the guy outside of Cano that draws oo’s and aah’s from the crowd?
I don’t know if it’s the right time to pounce on another superstar but I wouldn’t put it past ownership. They’re always looking to build the brand into something bigger. Prince is so well-known in baseball. He’s a very popular player, far more popular than Tex was before the Yankees signed him.
And you could make an argument that the Yankees really didn’t “need” Tex because they had acquired Swisher just before signing Tex and they had Montero as a superprospect who could be converted to 1b.
champ809 September 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
BTW
Bautista hit .260 last season…
Granderson is obviously a centerpiece player for the Yanks over the next 3-5yrs if his production stays in this range as 40+HR/30 steal CF’ers are few and far between in the game today.
The next step for Curtis in his development as a hitter is going to be improve his contact rate and cutdown on the K’s obviously and I’m sure he’ll huddle up with KLong in Dec. and look to address this issue.
Bret-
Kemp will be your shiny new toy.
Al in Houston September 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Does anyone else feel like A-Rod has been recovering from a sore thumb toooo long?
What’s the deal?
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The deal is AROD’S “thumb” is anatomically identical to his hip joint.
I forgot-Kei Igawa’s 4M comes off the books. Hooray!
YT -
I agree – but I do wonder if Wilson is really someone they would want.
But I do think that Tex, much as I absolutely love the guy, needs to retool that swing a bit. He should be a .300 hitter (or close to it). Hey, I’d be happy with .285. I won’t trash him, ever, because his defense is beyond reproach, and he’s no slacker. But he did used to hit for better average.
Even Pujols had a non-Pujols-like year this season….BA-wise. His HR numbers have climbed, but I haven’t looked at how his Runs and RBIs compare to past seasons.
What about the money they save from trading AJ and Soriano
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MTU-
Alas, they’ll probably have to pay Burnett some extra $$$ to waive his partial NT, and Soriano money too, like the rest of his remaining 35M to opt out!
They got Swisher in case they couldn’t get Tex. Cashman wanted Tex.
And then, Swisher only got to play regularly because Nady got hurt.
Also, as long as Jeter, Mo, Posada and ARod are on the team, it is unlikely that we’ll see who the new attractions are. I say, get Montero started. People are already excited by him, and if things go well, he WILL be the latest, newest, shiniest toy on the block. DRob is making a name for himself already. As you say, Cano is an exciting player. There will be more. People love homegrown. ARod is a situation until himself.
I love Tex but his contract is slowly and surely turning into a bigger disaster than Giambi’s even was.
He wasn’t ever close to the hitter that Giambi ever was and now he’s probably only a better offensive player than two regulars in this lineup (Gardner and Martin).
He’s had a pretty precipitous and sad decline that has been masked by this team’s success over the past 2 years.
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
And now, I’m really done, Bret. I don’t want to go round in circles. You love to trade and buy and make changes and acquisitions, I have a more guarded view.
YT-
Sometimes ya’ gotta take 1 step back to take 2 steps forward.
I asked GB this. If you could only keep 1 of Colon or Garcia who would it be ?
Please tell me your reasons.
Prince Fielder is about the last guy on the Yankees radar this off season, it makes 0 sense. Getting him because you think it would add fans to the seats is just laughable IMO. Montero will generate a million times the fan interest since he’s home grown and will be a beast and you can rotate him at Catcher/DH next year. Tex isn’t going anywhere in the next 5 years and is a GG fielder with very good power numbers. A first basemen is the last place they will be looking. Like someone already said CC is the priority, you empty the bank for him. It’s hard to see them being players for any kind of big game hauls this winter. Maybe a trade here or there but that’s about it. Just because they have an endless budget doesn’t mean you go out and spend foolishly. IMO getting Prince would be a very foolish move considering the pieces already in place.
A-rod’s ailments and age and Tex’s contract are bigger issues than most think. The Yankees needed those 2 to be middle order bats long term.
The Yankees basically won the division this year without Alex Rodriguez. A whole ton of factors had to work in the Yankees favor for that to happen (it WILL happen).
Villa-
Another lefty starter would be nice, but I’m not sure CJ Wilson is the one. I’ll know better once the Yankees face him in YS the 1st game of the ALDS. LOL
Tex supposedly spent less time on the weights in the offseason, working on going the other way, and I believe spent some time with Long in January. I can see why in YS it pays to be a pull hitter, but elsewhere it sure would be nice if he could get that BA from the left side up to some respectable number.
HIP HIP JORGE
HIP HIP JORGE
Al in Houston September 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Does anyone else feel like A-Rod has been recovering from a sore thumb toooo long?
What’s the deal?
I guess we’ll find in out in a few minutes when Chad files his manager’s report. My guess is that it’s much more than a sore thumb. As someone posted earlier in the week, it’s more likely to be ligament damage and something that will require an operation at the end of the season. The Yanks’ biggest worry right now is whether the thumb is going to be good enough for him to hit next week and into the playoffs. As I said yesterday, the chances of us seeing the “old” A-Rod again this year are very slim indeed.
One last thing. I would have been okay with trading Montero for Halliday or Lee. There is no other pitcher out there now that I would put in the same place, except for Verlander, and if Verlander is ever available from the Tigers, then the Tiger GM that makes him available is either certifiable or knows something is wrong with him.
Put another way…
Do you think ownership is willing to go into next season and compete for the grand prize if you told them A-rod will play less than 100 games and Tex will spend most of the season in the .240′s.
Can that happen again?
Why not? It already happened.
But what if you told them that there’s no guarantee everything else word work out just peachy, no guarantee they’d make the playoffs?
A-Rod’s MRI came back clean.
That rules out ligament damage.
Unless of course, you think their lyin’.
The only way we’ll ever know what’s eating Gilbert Grape is if Gilbert waives his HIPAA rights.
Yankee Trader-
Tex used to be a bit more balanced. If he could get some of that back, it would be great. I imagine it’s a bit tougher for Switch-hitters to retool than the regular sort of hitter.
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I think ARod will sacrifice his thumb in the playoffs, but can’t do it now. I think someone here wrote that they won’t be surprised to see ARod getting surgery as soon as the post-season ends. I can’t say I disagree with that thought.
Amazing and quite a testament to this team that they are where they are without ARod, and when he was in there, he was not even close to being “the” ARod.
VN-
I think A-Rod should stick with scarficing a pinky. A thumb is too drastic.
There are never any guarantees. Ever. I’d rather they concentrate on pitching, and spend their money there.
Not only that, for good or for worse, there are those contracts. They have ARod, they have Tex, they have Jeter. Those three. That’s it. You can’t just wish them away, so you might as well hope they work out. All three of those players are three that I would bet on because they put in the work and they have pride.
Fielder could end up being another “contract,” and he’s never been strictly a DH before. Whether he’s agreeable to it or not, there is no guarantee he can do it. Apparently it’s a whole different mindset that does not work for everyone.
It’s a lot of money for a guy who plays a position that is already contractually filled for the time being, who can’t play anywhere else except DH, which is a position that the current manager uses to create flexibility for his older players.
MTU -
I WISH it was his pinky!!!
But what a sight – the pinky slightly lifted off the bat – tea time? LOL
I still believe Gio Gonzalez is a target. Not saying the Yankees will be able to pry him away from Beane’s death grip for a reasonable price. Just sayin’
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
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Agree.
We didn’t pay $189 mil to a guy to hit .240 and OPS .830. He’s being out OPS-ed by guys like Seth Smith, Johnny Peralta, Shane Victorino, Matt Joyce, Carlos Pena, etc. Speaking of Pena, that is basically what he has become now.
“I think A-Rod should stick with scarficing a pinky. A thumb is too drastic.”
Scarficing? Did GB teach you that word?
AROD’s thumb injury is VERY concerning. It’s been about a month now – he injured it 8/21.
I suspect he has a good tendinitis. These injuries can be nagging and take quite some time to heal.
Problem is that there is not much time left before the playoffs start, and Alex has not really had regular playing time since before the knee injury. He needs a couple of weeks to get back in game shape and get his timing back.
MTU-
Colon or Garcia? Garcia or Colon? Hmm. My answer would be more appropriate if I waited till the end of the season, hopefully after the Yankees win #28!!
I’m looking at their stats thru 9/11:
Colon has a lower ERA & WHIP as well as BAA, 2nd to CC. He’s given up less walks then Garcia in less innings.
He hits 94 consistently on the radar gun and can pitch out of the bullpen. He is, however, older by what-3years?
Garcia on the other hand has been terrific , throwing the other teams timing off with his junk. However his ERA has soared the last two outings, and if batters can lay off the splitter, they have a better chance of hitting Garcia then of hitting Colon’s fastball with movement, even if they know it’s coming.
At this time I take Colon on a 1 year, maybe 2nd year team or mutual option. I’d insist on him revisiting the stem cell Doc in south Florida.
he’d be good out of the pen or in the starting rotation as needed!!
What did GB say??
RSM-
Tell me about it. For all we know the injury could be much worse then what the fans/media have been told to date.
Lying about the injury would not surprise me at all.
Worst cast-If ARod can be healthy enough to play games the final week of the season,
that might be enough games/reps to get him ready for the playoffs.
VN-
Even the “Yakuza” only require the loss of a pinky.
Not only that. How would A-Rod get home after a big fight with the next Starlet he dates ? No thumbs=No Hitchhiking.
I think A-Rod should stick with scarficing a pinky.
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MTU-
Al Pacino should be able to take care of that! LOL
Blake-
Yeah. Looks like I caught a case of the GB’s alright.
YT-
That’s who GB picked as well. If Freddy leaves we get an extra draft pick.
If Ronnie Lott can scarface his pinky, Alex can scarface his thumb for the postseason. That would give a whole other meaning to giving up your body for a win. Jeter punched the stands with his face. Time for alex to top that.
MTU
Colon has given up less walks in “more” innings than Garcia. Mia culpa!
FakePeteGammons 4 hours If Josh Beckett can’t beat the Rays tonight I expect him to triumphantly drill them w/ pitches until he’s ejected! This is Peter Gammons.
Dh carousel for the next 3 years.
Alex
Tex
Jeter
Montero
Anyone else who might need a half day off.
There is no room for a Fielder that doesnt Field.
MTU-
Garcia:Extra draft pick if offered arbitration.
His contract for 2011:
1 year/$1.5M (2011)
$3.6M in performance bonuses based on starts (to 30 GS)
He won’t get to 30 starts. I believe he’s at 24, but he could argue that had he not been put on DL and had not the Yankees gone with a 6 man rotation he’s pushing for some figure between 1.5M and 5.1M
SoS-
Water coolers bear the brunt of most sacrifices.
Alex sacrificing a finger would definitely trump Schilling’s blood (oops, I mean ketchup)-stained sock in baseball lore.
MTU,
That would all change if they went with Arrowhead water instead of Sparklets.
Yankee Trader September 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
MTU-
Garcia:Extra draft pick if offered arbitration.
His contract for 2011:
1 year/$1.5M (2011)
$3.6M in performance bonuses based on starts (to 30 GS)
He won’t get to 30 starts. I believe he’s at 24, but he could argue that had he not been put on DL and had not the Yankees gone with a 6 man rotation he’s pushing for some figure between 1.5M and 5.1M
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It’s like Comiskey and Cicotte all over again
If Garcia did have a performance bonus tied to the number of starts, I hope that the Yanks will do something for him if he just fell short of the mark…
FREE
JORGE
FINALLY
!!!
Thumb sprains without known ligament damage:
Treatment:
When an old injury lasts for several weeks, it’s referred to as chronic. These conditions usually result in pain, especially when utilized for pinching purposes, and the thumb joint may be unstable and weak in strength. Such injuries can be treated by having the ligaments surgically reconstructed, or by fusing the joint if arthritis has developed.
And no I’m not an orthopod.
http://www.lahandsurgeon.com/t.....streatment
or by fusing
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If I never again heard the word fusing for the rest of my life it would still not be long enough.
Manning comeback!!
SoS-
“fusing” sounds like somethin’ you do to a stick of dynamite.
A-Rod has a few choices:
1. Play thru the Pain
2. Cut off the thumb-but then you’ll be dealing with phantom limb pain
3. Cut the thumb off and reimplant it with one of his toes.
4. Say “Eye of the Tiger” when at bat and ignore it.
Fusing-literally “stick a pin in it.”
MTU,
Your about to make me blow my fuse by fusing with me. Fuse needs to be removed from the dictionary and blocked on this site. Time to see my shrink.
Have a good day fellas.
Go Yanks and Rays!!!
Yankee Trader September 16th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
A-Rod has a few choices:
1. Play thru the Pain
2. Cut off the thumb-but then you’ll be dealing with phantom limb pain
3. Cut the thumb off and reimplant it with one of his toes.
4. Say “Eye of the Tiger” when at bat and ignore it.
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I’m no expert, but I imagine that they might be able to try a cortisone shot at some point…
G-C September 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I love Tex but his contract is slowly and surely turning into a bigger disaster than Giambi’s even was.
He wasn’t ever close to the hitter that Giambi ever was and now he’s probably only a better offensive player than two regulars in this lineup (Gardner and Martin).
He’s had a pretty precipitous and sad decline that has been masked by this team’s success over the past 2 years.
Swisher is undoubtedly the better, more valuable player to this club at a fraction of the price.
Tex was probably worth it for 2009, but this team loses nothing if Swisher is its regular 1Bman this year.
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Wait, what?
Tex’s left-handed swing needs repair work, no doubt. But his glove alone makes me forget the brutal days of a Giambi-manned first base.
Tex is an artist on D.
YT-
In 2013 (assuming we get past 2012) Matt Cain and Cole Hamels are scheduled to hit FA. There are others of note.
What would you say the chances are that either of them makes it to FA ?
Less Than 10%
50/50
100%
Ghost-
They already did.
New thread ==>
I have to go and meet some friends for dinner. Winning the next four games is certainly doable. I think it’s Pavano on Monday. Wil it be Hughes or Burnett>
Burnett vs Pavano. Wasted $$$$ vs $$$.
I’m attaching this article again from the USAToday about “Can the Rays really run down the Red Sox.”
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....showdown/1
MLBTR quotes the Dodgers’s GM, Colletti, as saying he wants tom try to sign his players. After the Rangers were allowed to spend during financial crisis, I have no doubt MLB won’t support large expenditures in a critical market. It is far from certain Kemp or Kershaw make it to the free agent market.
Unless a true no. 2 starter becomes available or they can sign Wilson, I don’t see the Yankees doing anything major this winter. Every other position except, arguably LF, is locked up.
MTU,
I think 10 percent for Hamels and 25 for Cain. These teams have money.
Mac-
That’s too bad. Odds are low IMO.