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Posada and Rivera together again?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 17, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Austin Romine made his second big league start behind the plate this afternoon, and he caught the first eight innings. He was out there when Bartolo Colon struggled, and he was out there when the Yankees bullpen tossed four scoreless innings to bridge the gap to Mariano Rivera.

But when Rivera entered in the ninth, Russell Martin came off the bench do the catching.

Did Joe Girardi consider sending Jorge Posada out to catch Rivera’s record-tying save? Would he consider it for the record-breaker?

“You think about it,” Girardi said. “We’ve got a one-run game there, and Jorge’s only caught six innings this year. We’ll see.”

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151 Responses to “Posada and Rivera together again?”

  1. blake September 17th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Do it Joe….it’s the right thing to do. Let Mo shake Jorge’s hand for #602

  2. MTU September 17th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    I agree Blake. I hope it goes down that way.

    Seems fitting.

    :)

  3. vinslol September 17th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    i think if it comes at home you have to do it no matter what

  4. BBFan September 17th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    As someone pointed out earlier, it should be about MO, not about PO.

    Unless it is a 2 or 3 run lead in the ninth, Joe will be hesitant to bring in PO. What if PO comes in with a one run lead and it is a blown save. Both PO and Joe will be crucified by the mindless bloggers here and the mediots.

    Also, the division is not locked up yet. Every game counts until the division is locked up.
    Still, I will not be surprised if Joe does give PO a chance and take the hits if things go wrong.

  5. blake September 17th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    “We’ve got a one-run game there, and Jorge’s only caught six innings this year. We’ll see.”

    I think that’s the thing you think about though….Jorge really hasn’t caught much and if he did something to screw up the save for Mo then nobody wins and Jorge feels awful….it would be awesome but you wonder if it’s fair to Jorge…..especially if it’s a one run game

  6. Bret The Hitman September 17th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    I think these guys grew up together and they want it this way. The organization owes it to them to share the moment. They’ve been through so much.

  7. Niblick September 17th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    It’s the least Binder Joe can do, given how shabbily he’s treated Jorge this year.

    Binder Joe, Jorge took your job many years ago because he was a much better player than you. Get over it and give the guy a little bit of respect.

  8. Bret The Hitman September 17th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    The disrespect of Jorge began in the offseason with binder Cashman.

  9. Yankee Trader September 17th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    On the other hand, had Posada been in for #600, would he have nailed the runner at 2nd like Martin, to preserve that save with the last out of the game? Tough choice at this point in the season.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 17th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    I don’t believe Joe will do anything but. There is no way he is not going to let Posada have the shot at catching Mo’s 602. Now if it goes south, then it could turn into circus circus.

    But it won’t.

    :)

    *******************
    Red Robin September 17th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
    “Well. There goes the Rays season.

    Damn.”

    Why do I get the feeling that someone’s mommy is reading him happy bedtime stories so he’ll be able to sleep tonight?

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I had the extreme pleasure of watching the last innings of the Ray’s gem at the home of my best friend. Her husband and sons are huge Yankee fans (she doesn’t follow baseball), so it was great watching it there. It was so exhilirating watching the Sux fans cheering their little hearts out, standing there with absoute belief that their boys were going to bring it home. I am known for loving to live on the edge, so that kind of game is especially satisfying – though I could have lived without the counts going so deep! But to have it get down to three balls and two strikes with two outs and have the cameras focused on all those sux fans standing and waiting – and then to see little marcus ground out, well how could it have been better!

    RAYS ROCK!!!

    :)

  11. MTU September 17th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    It’s not a problem. Here’s the way it will work.

    The Yanks will be up by 3 (hopefully) and that’s when Girardi will be able to make his move and take the risk.

    Glad I could solve that for ya’ all.

    Have a good night.

    :)

  12. joeman September 17th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    # Yogi Mantle September 17th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    LGY, I wasn’t comparing Ozzie to Maddon in the conventional sense. Both are a bit odd, both are unconventional in their managing, though Ozzie tends to be more unconventional due to his mouthing off than on field moves. Neither are ones that would play long in NY, as the goofy act wears thin especially if the performance isn’t there.

    Maddon wouldn’t work all that well with a veteran staff. Ozzie wouldn’t either.

    I agree that they aren’t alike in most ways.

    Joeman, I think there is concern about Montero behind the plate during this last push. I think he got a bit of a raw deal, where he just got the one game to catch and try showing what he could do. His opportunities would probably be different if it wasn’t such a close race, and I believe the Yankees want to win the division and HFA.

    I also see Montero being the backup catcher/DH, which might be the best use of him in any case, as it could help keep him from the wearing down that a starting catcher would have. His bat could be something really special, and if he gets work with Pena on his catching, he could at least be serviceable as a backup – but with much better batting skills.
    ————————————————
    no doubt his hitting skills are there….just don’t know where on the pecking order he is as a catcher with this team in the future..

  13. Yankee Trader September 17th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    What a matchup we’ll see on Monday. It’s looking like Burnett vs. Pavano in the makeup game!

  14. ctyankeefan. September 17th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    How has Jorge been disrespected? You don’t put out an inferior player because of what they used to be able to do. Has anyone else seen his numbers and play this year? Sheesh.

  15. Bret The Hitman September 17th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    The type of team that would sign Jorge Posada next year to DH for 1-2 million is the Oakland A’s. He’s 26 HR away from 300. As a catcher for most of his career the HOF couldn’t ignore 300 HR’s. It would be tough for him to hit that in one season but I think he still wants to play baseball.

  16. JM September 17th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    From Boston.com. This is amusing because of course I think that McCarver and Buck are not Yankee fans, but apparently, they HATE the Sox…LOL

    EnjoyObserving wrote:
    This is what we get when: #1)No-genius Theo goes with a Triple A team; #2)When Theo kisses up to Werner, Henry & Lucchino by saving them $$$$; #4)When the Sox refuse, year after year after year to build a top-knotch bullpen; and #4)When the owners seem satsfied with World Series Wins in 2004 & 2007 and really don’t care if we win another.
    An aside: I hate, hate, hate when Fox broadcasts the game. They are clearly not Sox fans; they are overly-biased against the Red Sox. Tim Carver: He should be banned from being on any Sox broadcast games. He is sickening to hear. If the owners want to do the Sox and the fans a favor: Please No More Fox Red Sox games. Plus could those guys ever shut up. OMG – someone should tell them they were there only to comment on the game not to give us the history of all the baseball teams. They’re annoying, a major distraction and anti-Sox! Dump ‘em next year – P-L-E-A-S-E!! !

  17. Yankee Trader September 17th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    MTU-

    Maybe the Yankees offense will go on a tear until the team has cliched HFA, and have no save situations available until the last few games of the season, when Posada catches #602! :)

  18. BBFan September 17th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    It is GM and Manager’s responsibility to field a team that wins.
    If not, many here will turn vitriolic against them.

    PO was given 323 at bats, which is not insignificant.
    His OBP is .315 and OPS is 717 for a DH.
    The bottomline is PO is very past his prime.
    It is not disrespectful, unless you do not care if the team wins and makes to the playoffs.

    They will have a very tough time deciding whether PO should be on the post-season roster. Cervelli’s injury may be a godsend in that respect as one slot opens up.

  19. blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    JM,

    that’s hilarious…..Bostonians likely hitting the sauce tonight

  20. MTU September 17th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    YT-

    That solution would work too but I’d rather see it sooner.

    Like as soon as they return for the next home stand.

    Have a good evening. See ya’ in the AM.

  21. JM September 17th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    blake,

    Yes, there is panic in Beantown. Everyone wants to fire “Fran-coma,” Lestah is not an ace, Carl Crawford sucks, Bard should be DFA’ed, etc. etc.

    It’s actually kind of like this place when the Yanks are on a losing streak. :)

  22. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Jorge was given a lot of leeway in the beginning of the season to figure out the “DH thing.” He never really hit his stride. I guess it’s harder than it looks to be a successful DH, especially after a career behind the plate, being intimately involved in every play of the game. Tough transition. And the Yankees, again, don’t have the luxury of being able to just keep putting him out there. They tried. He tried.

    All I want is for Jorge to be on the post-season roster. This is his last season as a Yankee, and after the career he has had for them, and with them, he deserves a spot there. But catching Mo’s #602? Whatever tHe Yankees decide will be fine, but it’s about winning, and it’s Mo’s record.

  23. Yankee Trader September 17th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    MTU-

    Goodnight.

    Tampa needs to win tomorrow and hope Baltimore spoils the RS chances.

    See you all tomorrow. Kudos to the no-hit bullpen today!

  24. BBFan September 17th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I think PO will be on the roster for ALDS and ALCS if Yanks go that far.
    But for WS, I doubt he will be on the roster given all the substitutions for pitchers in the NL parks.

  25. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    JM -

    That post is too too funny. Fox anti-Red Sox??? Are they kidding???? LOL

    I guess fawning is in the ears of the beholder.

  26. JM September 17th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Villa,

    The only part I can agree with is the “could those guys ever shut up” comment. LOL.

  27. David in Cal September 17th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Five years from now nobody will care whether Jorge caught Mo for an inning in September, 2011.

    Jorge has had a great career — near HOF. A single additional inning with Rivera isn’t going to add to Jorge’s great career. The lack of one more inning with Rivera isn’t going to detract from it..

  28. Yogi Mantle September 17th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I thought that Kay was talking about Posada catching Mo for his record breaking save, that it was Mo’s dream scenario that Posada would catch both, the record tying and record breaking save. Of course that could be just speculation on Kay’s part.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 17th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    I really see Girardi as that sensitive a soul that he would give Posada the opportunity. Now if it came with the Yankees tied for first the last game of the season, I think he would keep Martin in the game and that would be that. But I also think that if it happens soon and the Yankees still have the lead they do, he wouldn’t hesistate to bring Jorge in to catch that inning.

    On the other hand, it could turn schmaltzy real fast if it didn’t work out the first time! I do think it will of course. Even though Jorge hasn’t caught many games, I don’t think he’s forgotten how to catch Mo.

    Oh, who the heck knows! My solid belief is that Girardi will bring in Po, hands down and he’s already made that decision.

    Time will tell.

    :)

  30. blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Comment From Matt S
    What do you see as Mason Williams ceiling?
    1:04

    Frankie Piliere:
    It’s very high. Like I said in my report, the knack for hitting stands out. Plenty of toolsy athletes just don’t ever develop that hit tool. Williams has that feel already. He’s a .300 hitting starting CF in my mind. How much power he’ll have remains to be seen.

  31. blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    by Jim Bowden

    The Boston Red Sox should already have clinched a playoff berth. And yet, with just 14 games to play, they find themselves battling for their postseason lives in a crucial four-game series against the Tampa Bay Rays beginning tonight at Fenway Park.

    With arguably the best run-producing lineup in the major leagues, a sound defense, a shut-down closer and a rotation that starts with a pair of aces, fighting to get into the postseason wasn’t even on Boston’s mind three weeks ago. However, due to a perfect storm of injuries, poor planning by the front office and declining performances from veteran pitchers, the Red Sox find themselves with insufficient pitching depth heading into what has turned out to be their most important weekend of the season. And it could be their undoing.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blo.....-office%2f

  32. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Kay interviewed Mo on his radio show after #600. Mo said he would love it if Po caught save #602.

  33. kd September 17th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    blake,

    what type of player to you think mason williams will be? a johnny damon with better defense?

    eta?

  34. RMS September 17th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Posada and Mo have been teammates for a long time. Posada has caught most of Mo’s saves. I think it is only fitting that he catch the record breaker.

  35. blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    kd,

    I haven’t seen him play…..have read a ton of positive reviews on him though…..and it sounds like a lot see him as a great defending CF that could hit .300 with 15 homer or so power…..if that turns out to be true then what a value!

  36. blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Great football game going…FSU vs Oklahoma

  37. Yogi Mantle September 17th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    RC from LI, if that was what Mo said (I didn’t hear the interview), I would think Girardi would respect that, at least enough to consider doing it for both Jorge and Mo. It will be interesting to see if that does happen.

  38. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    JM September 17th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    From Boston.com. This is amusing because of course I think that McCarver and Buck are not Yankee fans, but apparently, they HATE the Sox…LOL

    =====

    JM,

    Too funny! Thanks for posting this. They are just as bad as a lot of Yankee fans, many of whom are convinced that McCarver is hating on the Yanks. I never got it, but I learned not to argue about it. :)

  39. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Yogi, that is what Mo said…of course Kay kind of led him there “in your dream scenario” does Posada catch 602? And Mo was Mo, “definitely, definitely”

  40. kd September 17th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    wow, oklahoma has some really good receivers

    thanks blake. if he could be a damon type, top of the order hitter, it would be awesome

  41. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    RMS September 17th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Posada and Mo have been teammates for a long time. Posada has caught most of Mo’s saves. I think it is only fitting that he catch the record breaker.
    =========

    In addition to putting the game at risk, I think that putting Posada in to catch the record-breaking save runs the risk of showing up the other team. I think that it is a bad idea. Mos hould just go in there, and do his thing the way that he always has– professionally and with dignity.

    For my part, I’m pulling for a blowout tomorrow, so that Mo can break the record at home. I really don’t want to see Girardi screwing around with a win tomorrow to save (no pun intended) the record-breaker for Yankee Stadium.

  42. pkyankfan69 September 17th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    When FSU scored on that 3rd and 28 to tie the game I thought it was their game for the taking. Great answer from OU. Both of these teams are top contending teams.

    Looks like OU’s night after that INT tho

  43. JM September 17th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Checking out for the evening….It’s been a great day in Yankee-land! G’night all

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Ghostwriter, putting the game at risk? Do you remember who was behind the plate when Rivera threw that final pitch in 2009? LOL, Posada can catch Rivera in his sleep.

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    From what I saw, Mason Williams gets great jumps. He’s not a guy who just outruns the baseball. He’s also got a really good arm – one thing that’s sorely missing in our current outfield. I’d love to see Williams move fast.

  46. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Ghost, I honestly don’t think Girardi will do it. There’s maybe one scenario where I could see it. The Yankees are up by three and Posada is in the game at DH and they shift him behind the plate for the 9th. But I don’t really see it happening.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Mason Williams – just thought that would be cool to hear “Williams makes the catch at the wall.”….or “beautiful running grab by Williams…” :D.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    If Girardi doesn’t put Posada back there for that he’s an ass.

  49. DSJ September 17th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Will be nice to see Posada, Jete and Mo do the hug thing on the mound in the Stadium. Andy you busy?

  50. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I’m torn JAP. All along I’ve been thinking it’s the right thing to do, but then someone (Villa Nova-Ya?) suggested that what should be Mo’s moment becomes about Posada.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    rb from LI, Sorry I don’t even understand what that means.

  52. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    How does it become about Posada? Mo himself wants Po to be the one to catch him. Mo revels in sharing in the moment not with Posada but with everyone. Mo doesn’t think in such ego-based ways, neither should the people here. It should be Po.

  53. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    not with *just* Posada (it should read)

  54. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    The way the Yankees have been so adamant against putting Posada behind the plate makes it a big deal.

  55. m September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I think it would be more special for Mo if it’s Posada.

    It’s not like lighting will strike if Posada catches, just like there’s no guarantee he’ll get the save if Martin or one of the kids catch him.

    It’s not like it’s the last game of the season, even if Mo fails to convert the save he’ll have other chances.

  56. Niblick September 17th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Ghost – that stuff about Posada putting the game at risk is about the biggest load of crap I’ve seen posted on this blog. And that says a lot, considering the whacko comments. How on earth does Posada put the game at risk? He’s been a major league catcher for 15+ seasons. He managed to catch quite well the other day, if you care to remember. You think it’s better to have Martin in there, who is second in the league in errors? Or a rookie?

  57. Red Robin September 17th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    May be.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    What I find hard to believe is that some think Posada would somehow imperil the save. Too much for me to get my head around.

    Yankfem, I agree with your comment. It being “about” Posada is um a weird thought. Still not sure how that follows…oh well.

    Have a good night, it was a great day to be a Yankee fan! Still sorry I missed Matt Moore :(

    ‘nite.

  59. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Okay, you’ve convinced me. ;)

    Seriously, I’ve wanted Posada catching for #602 pretty much all along. Then started thinking about the idea that it might “split the focus” of the moment…but now I think it would just add to the excitement.

  60. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Does Mo want it, or did Mo say it would be nice if it happened? That’s a bit of a difference there.

    Whatever. I also said however the Yankees handle it will be perfectly fine.

    But Mo is about the team, Mo is about winning, and Mo is not a selfish person. So would Mo ask for Posada to catch his 602nd save?

    I just don’t see the point of why it MUST be Posada catching Mo’s 602nd save. He didn’t catch every single other one. He has only caught part of one game this season. It might be a nice moment, if all goes well. But it’s gonna be a nice moment anyway.

  61. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    And just the fact that it’s being discussed as much as it is being discussed makes it about Posada to a certain extent, because it’s not simply, wow, next save Mo gets the record, because in the very next breath, it’s Posada should catch. So, it moves from Mo, to Posada, right there.

  62. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    And just for the record, I am a fan of Jorge’s and respect the career he’s had with the Yankees.

  63. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    VNY, as I mentioned earlier, Kay asked Mo if “in his dream scenario” Posada would be catching and Mo said “definitely”. He never said that he asked about it, and he probably didn’t. Mo would never do that.

  64. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    I certainly never said Posada would put the game at risk. If people read it that way, that’s not what I was saying. I was saying NO save situation is a guaranteed save. IF the save is blown, then you’re in a position where it could become silly – putting Posada in until the save is recorded. I was in no way saying Posada catching Mo would put the save at risk. I would never say such a thing.

  65. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    It will be all about Mo once it happens no matter who catches.

  66. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    rb from LI -

    That’s how I understood your post.

  67. charlestonchew September 17th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Who cares? It’s just baseball. We’re not going to think twice about it once it happens and is over. It’s going to be feel-good either way.

  68. Villa Nova-Ya September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    And, yes, once the save is recorded, the focus will be on Mo.

    And again, if Posada is in there, I don’t have an issue with that. My issue is saying that there is something wrong with the Yankees if they don’t put Posada in.

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    I see the bedtime stories didn’t work for Robin Redbreast. He’s still up reliving the horror of that groundout by his lovely marcus screwtarus.

    Sweet.

    :D

    Even watching a rerun of SNL is a great thing tonight!

    Nigght all.

  70. rb from LI September 17th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    VNY, it adds to the feel good story that’s all. Would I like to see it happen? Yes. Do I think it will? No.

  71. Yogi Mantle September 18th, 2011 at 12:07 am

    Being that this is almost definitely Posada’s last season with the Yankees (I’m not counting any coaching position and nothing is ever guaranteed) I would think Mo would enjoy sharing the moment with Jorge. They know Posada’s career is coming to an end, and its not like Mo has been throwing to the wall when he pitches. Posada might not have caught all of the saves, but he caught a lion’s share of them.

    This just seems like one of those moments where if it is possible, it would harm no one, and would give Mo and Posada something special to cap off their playing time.

    It isn’t necessary, but it just seems like the right thing to do. Given that Posada did end up catching this year, in an emergency situation, and handled that fine, it just doesn’t seem like it would be something so far out there.

    Many people figured the moment wouldn’t occur till next season. That would have, of course, been an entirely different matter. With it likely to happen this year it almost seems tailor made for the Yankees, Mo and Posada to go with it. I know plenty of fans would like to see it happen.

  72. Wang IS Taiwan September 18th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Joe’s not a big Jorge fan, but I hope he does the right thing when the time comes.

    Go Mo!

  73. Wang IS Taiwan September 18th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    If Girardi doesn’t put Posada back there for that he’s an ass.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey J! Don’t hold back! Tell us how you really feel. ;)

  74. m September 18th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Things I learned from visiting the Extra Bases blog today:

    1. The Sox are 4-12 in September.
    2. Buster Olney tweeted that evaluators say that the Sox, in gnereal are not a team that’s in top condition.
    3. Pete drew the conclusion that their rash of injuries in the past two years might be because of poor conditioning.

  75. Chase September 18th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Mayweather is a coward.

  76. Nick in SF September 18th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    Is there a worry that Mo would be overcome by the enormity of the moment and uncork a wild pitch that would hit Po in the head and give him another concussion?

    There shouldn’t be.

  77. Wang IS Taiwan September 18th, 2011 at 3:51 am

    m,

    There’s no better place for Yankees fans to visit than Boston.com when the Sux lose and the Yankees win…the place goes bonkers over there. They’re much worse than crazed Yankee fans. I very much enjoy visiting on days like today.

    Did you see the the part about Aceves? Pete thinks he’s down 35 pounds this year. Glad he decided to lose the weight for the Sux. ‘Course it IS easier to lose the weight when you can exercise. Hard to do with a bad back.

    There were also fans complaining about how fat Gonzalez has become this season. They’ve been raggin on Youk being fat all season…

  78. Wang IS Taiwan September 18th, 2011 at 3:52 am

    Nick — yep, that’s our Mo — easily overwhelmed in pressure situations.

  79. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 5:24 am

    Really good piece on Mariano Rivera by MLB’s Alden Gonzalez.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    “Few if any would doubt Rivera is the greatest closer in baseball history. On top of a record-tying 601 saves, he has a 2.22 career ERA, a 1.000 WHIP and an 89-percent conversion rate. And that’s just the regular season. On the way to five World Series titles (four as closer) he established a few other postseason records: saves (42), ERA (.71) and appearances (94).

    The Yankees have gone 632-41 all-time in games in which Rivera has had a chance for a save.

    “He certainly has made it look easy,” Hoffman said.”

  80. AldotheApache September 18th, 2011 at 5:39 am

    So the ‘greatest team ever assembled’ is in danger of missing the playoffs altogether?

    So Trisha was right about them right from the start?

    So the BloSox are out of shape and terry is publicly criticizing his players?

    NO WONDER the West Coast Wackadoo is mia!!!!!!!!

    (apologies to the fabled Ghost of Lohud Past for the ‘Wackadoo’ label. So apropos, tho).

    ———————————

    So Frankie ‘K-Rot’ Rodriguez is “not happy” with Milwaukee??? Let’s see … the team is in first place by 6 1/2 games – check … John Axford has 43 saves, converting 19 straight save opportunities since K-Rot was acquired – check …

    Yeah, I can see why our old friend Frankie would put his own interests above the team’s. After all, that image of him being hauled in handcuffs was soooo long ago. And he IS in a walk year.

    I can’t WAIT for Boston to scoop him up this winter. He’ll fit right in.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_mlb

  81. DSJ September 18th, 2011 at 5:47 am

    whose the aldo douchebag?

  82. AldotheApache September 18th, 2011 at 5:57 am

    Way to put those English classes to use.

  83. Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 7:10 am

    Since I am the one, I guess, who first brought up that it was not necessarily the thing to do to bring Jorge in for Mo’s 602nd save, I feel like the posts which say that there is any concern that Posada would put the save in jeopardy are directed towards me .

    I never ever ever said that Posada would put the save in jeopardy. I never said the Yankees shouldn’t or wouldn’t use Posada in that situation.

    I merely expressed the opinion that IF the pending save is blown (and I NEVER said it would be because Jorge was behind the plate – Mo has blown a save or two), there is the potential that it could become somewhat silly to be dragging Jorge out as many times as it takes (which, absolutely is not likely to be more than the once). I also wanted to react to those who would call Girardi or the Yankees incompetent or other if they do not use Jorge for Mo’s 602nd save.

    I felt like the situation was starting to become more (or as much as) about Posada, or, maybe more exactly, the final Mo/Posada moment. I realize that moment would not be bigger than the save itself, and that it is Mo’s accomplishment, regardless of who is catching. Saying the Yankees would be stupid not to do it is making that “final Posada/Mo moment” more important than it should be.

    I never said it wouldn’t be touching. I never said it wouldn’t or couldn’t add to the moment. I never criticized Jorge Posada or said he wasn’t competent to catch for one inning. I was thinking about should the save not happen, and since Posada has caught but once all season, it could become a little silly, in comes Mo, in comes Posada. i only said it was not something that HAD to happen.

    I also was clear that I would have no issue whatsoever if the Yankees chose to go in that direction.

  84. Deal With It September 18th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    DSJ September 18th, 2011 at 5:47 am
    whose the aldo douchebag?

    ==================

    A stalker from TDN who comes here to disparage WCYF and disrupt this blog with great regularity.

  85. Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Good morning Villa-

    No need to make apologies. The best scenario would be the Yankees offense go on a tear, clinch HFA 1st, while having no closer opportunities, until the last week of the season when Posada can come in a catch Mo’s #602.

  86. Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    YT -

    Good morning.

    It’s just that I felt like my opinion got twisted, ya know?

    Anyway – like you, all I want is to clinch this thing with enough time left to set things up for the post season.

    And it is true – with save situations, you really don’t know when one is going to present itself. Could be today, could be a week from today. Anyhoo, Mo will get #602 and it will be a wonderful thing.

  87. Gary September 18th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Morning, great comeback after a shakey start by Colon. Nice to see ARod crank one, we need him to produce in the playoffs.

    Checking out the standings, Yanks are +5 to Detroit and +6 to Texas for best record and home field. With the magic number now 8, Yanks need to play at least .500 ball from here in and they have it pretty well locked for Divison and Home field.

    The more interesting race will be who gets the second or third best record. With the WC coming from our division more than likely, it’s really a fight in my opinion between Texas and Detroit. I don’t see LAA getting in for either the WC or the Division. Detroit has to be the favorite in a short series, Verlander has just been too dominant as of late. I’d have to say right now Texas is the more likely opponent and the team to have the worst record, but with Texas and Detriot only one game apart now in the loss column that one may well come down to the final games. You have to wonder how hard they will play for that spot.

  88. Gary September 18th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 7:29 am
    Good morning Villa-

    No need to make apologies. The best scenario would be the Yankees offense go on a tear, clinch HFA 1st, while having no closer opportunities, until the last week of the season when Posada can come in a catch Mo’s #602.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Posada has been a great player, but the team has moved on now beyond him. Media want’s to make it an interesting story. Hard for me personally with so many things still to be netted out advocating that you take out your starting catcher, in any save situation for Mo. That’s how you lose ball games by not going with your best and nailing down the wins which are so important right now. I think Joe knows all this and won’t risk a possible loss just to have a photo op.

  89. Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Gary-

    Thanks for the update. Looks like the Orioles have now spoiled the Angels chances at the WC, especially if they win today. Then it’s on to Boston for 4 and then to Detroit for 4 and back home for 3 more against the RS. I’ll be rooting for the Orioles to do some major damage.

  90. Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Wasn’t #600 where Mo gave up a single and Martin gunned down the runner trying to steal 2nd, to end the game? That was a clutch play in a one run game if I remember correctly.

  91. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    This complaining /whiningf about Posada catching Rivera’s #602 is a load of crap. What’s Posada going to do? Call the wrong pitch? This time is about doing a personal thing for Rivera as much as anything, and less to do about Posada. I’m sure that Posada would love to be out there, but, to my knowledge, he hasn’t said a word. This is media/”fan” based crap…nothing more, nothing less.

  92. Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    From the Baltimore Sun:

    For 14 seasons, Camden Yards has been devoid of playoff hopes in September.

    Now, that malaise is spreading to the visitors’ dugout.

    With a 6-2 victory over the Los Angeles Angels on Saturday night, the Orioles (62-88) have won four consecutive games against teams clinging to postseason dreams. They have one more game against the Angels on Sunday, then try to ruin the baseball lives of the American League wild-card-leading Boston Red Sox next week at Fenway Park. :)

  93. Yogi Mantle September 18th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Villa, I certainly never thought you were saying anything remotely like what you were writing about above.

    I don’t see it being made a thing like they do with the balls for HR or hits moments (where the pitchers have to get those special balls, play stops and so on). If it happens, which I am sure has been discussed in the Yankee FO, I think they would consider bringing in Posada because of the history between the two of them, the link between them and the championship games, and the moment made for the fans and for Jeter, Mo and Jorge.

    The three remaining core players would probably love to have all three of them on the field for that record breaking moment. Sometimes life doesn’t work out like a movie, but sometimes it does. Like in Jeter going deep for the 3000th hit, and having a game where he played like a king.

    The Yankee FO and their PR department know this isn’t just about Mo. These milestones are a rare feat, especially when it comes to getting to the top slot.

    It isn’t critical that Posada catches it. But it would make a lasting memory for the fans, it would be a nice thing for Posada who is in his last Yankee season (unless something really strange happens). It would be a nice thing for Mo to have the record breaking moment being shared with the last two players who were there through all the years.

    When all is said and done, the games played, it is special moments that stand out in memory. This would be a historic moment. If it isn’t putting the game in jeopardy, it just seems like the right thing to do.

  94. Hexagenia September 18th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    YT–During the last Yanks/Orioles series, when the O’s were making life tough for the Yanks, I lost count of how many times I heard Sterling say–”I hope they play like this against Boston!!”

  95. Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    GreenBeret7 -

    I don’t know how I can say it any differently than I have. I NEVER said Posada could cost Mo the save; never said he wasn’t capable of catching that save. I HAVE said that whatever the Yankees choose to do will be perfectly fine.

  96. Hexagenia September 18th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    indefinite pronoun usage: ‘they” = Orioles…sorry Sister Margaret!!

  97. Yankee Trader September 18th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Until later all. Have a great day.

  98. pat September 18th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Has Jorge catching an inning really turned into a referendum on his relationship with the organization for some people?

    The save record is about who is thowing the ball, not who is receiving it.

    Lots of things “would be nice” but that doesn’t mean if they don’t happen there is a deeper meaning involved.

  99. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 8:11 am
    GreenBeret7 -

    I don’t know how I can say it any differently than I have. I NEVER said Posada could cost Mo the save; never said he wasn’t capable of catching that save. I HAVE said that whatever the Yankees choose to do will be perfectly fine.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I never said you did. I was referring to the ones claiming that Posada shouldn’t be out there because he could cost Rivera a game. If you secretly thought he would and have a guilty conscience, that’s on you. I didn’t mention anybody by name. This BS has gone on about Posada for more than one day. Posada’s bat and defense has put Rivera in more save opportunities than he’s ever cost him. Again, this is about giving into Rivera one of the few times he’s asked for something personal in game situations.

  100. Red Robin September 18th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    I will personally give the Baltimore Orioles players million dollar bonuses if they sweep the Red Sucks.

  101. AldotheApache September 18th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I love Posada and what he’s done for the Yankees.

    But the MOment will have nothing to do with him.

    Point being, I don’t get the debate, either pov.

    The last thing that Po has ever been in pinstripes is irrelevant, even during these twilight moments of his career. But he is not a part of this. If he was, then why not also bring Joe Torre around to share in the limelight.

    Maybe he can then write another book, this time throwing Mo under the bus. It’ll be another non-seller.

  102. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    With the way the remaining schedule is set up to close the season, it’s only fitting that NYYs clinch the division by beating Boston in YS this coming week. Let the team walk out onto the field, congratulate each other, salute the fans and walk off the field like they’ve been there before, but, still have work to do, instead of like Boston’s habit of rolling around on the ground like the last time.

  103. blake September 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I would love for Jorge to catch Mo for #602. From the Yankees standpoint though the last thing they would want is for something like this to happen……yanks have a one run lead…..Mo gives up a bloop single…..they steal 2nd and 3rd off Jorge and the save is blown on a sac fly.

    Nobody wins in that situation and Jorge walks away feeling terrible…..it would.be really cool if they could let him do it but I think it’ll depend on the situation…..how big the lead is and which hitters are coming up. If its against Tampa and its a one run lead and Jennings is up that inning then I don’t think you do it…..JMO

    Take the series today ……same lineup as yesterday Joe

  104. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Yeah, the criticisms about Posada potentially catching Rivera’s history making save is ridiculous. It would be a nice moment for the two guys, and for Yankee history. This moment will be played and replayed over and over again, and it will go down in the books. Why not have Posada symbolically catch a few pitches with his friend and long time teammate, the guy that caught a majority of those 600+ saves.

    I guess people have to find some way to rain on the parade, right?

  105. Wang IS Taiwan September 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 8:28 am
    With the way the remaining schedule is set up to close the season, it’s only fitting that NYYs clinch the division by beating Boston in YS this coming week.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Love this idea.

  106. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    but I think it’ll depend on the situation…..
    ————–

    Girardi alluded to as much in his comments. I think he’ll try and make it happen if he can, but he’ll put winning ahead of a photo opportunity.

  107. blake September 18th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I think it would be awesome if they can make it happen……and I hope they can

  108. Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Yogi Mantle -

    That was a great post (8:09 am). I certainly do see that side of it. If it does work out that way, it certainly will be a moment for the ages, “with an exclamation point.”

  109. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    I teared up when Jeter hit that home run for 3,000. What a game, I’ll always remember it.

  110. Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    GreenBeret7 -

    I do not have a guilty conscience. I do see opinions twisted around here all the time, and I simply wanted to clarify my own.

    Does anyone know for certain that Mo has requested this? I know he said it would be a dream scenario if it happened.

  111. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Wow….Pitt and Syracuse going to the ACC….that’ll make things a little more interesting on the hard court.

  112. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I don’t think the moment will just belong to Mo. It’s Yankee history, baseball history.

  113. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Would the ideal situation for NYYs be for the Rangers, Angels, Red Sox, and Devil Rays to finish with identical records and have to play at least one and possibly two playoff games for the West division and Wild card? They’d certainly have to go with their top pitchers on short rest.

  114. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Villa Nova-Ya September 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
    GreenBeret7 -

    I do not have a guilty conscience. I do see opinions twisted around here all the time, and I simply wanted to clarify my own.

    Does anyone know for certain that Mo has requested this? I know he said it would be a dream scenario if it happened.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    Well then, I guess it wasn’t directed at you.

  115. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Rivera showed the Blue Jays how they do it in the 601.

  116. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    As 4 game series are often split……it could end up that the Yanks and Sox will start their series next Friday with Boston having a 2 game lead in the WC……Tampa plays the Jays that weekend.

    Bostons fate is going to depend on whether they can beat the Showalters.

  117. MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Mo is going to the undiscovered country with # 602.

    Goin’ where no man has been before.

    One more save for the Man. One great leap forward for Baseball history.

    :)

  118. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I see that Ervin Santana has turned punk and is now taking lessons from Beckett. Can’t get a hitter out or hit a home run off of them? No problem…just drill ‘em. Santana found two targets yesterday, including hitting Mark Reynolds in the head after Reynolds had homered. It took until then for the umpires to act…they issued warnings.

  119. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Discussing on radio this morning that of the Rays miss the playoffs this year then it could be because they screwed around with service time early in the season and waited too long to bring up Jennings and Moore. Can’t say I disagree…….they obviously didn’t know the Sox were going to fold up like cheap tents……but they did wait WAY too long to ft Jennings up.

  120. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    This thing with Youkalis is sounding like a chronic type thing that could carry over to next year.

  121. LGY September 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    @Buster_ESPN: The names of NYY who have had seasons of at least 20 doubles,10 triples,40 homers: Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Curtis Granderson.

  122. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Sounds like too many steroids in Youkilis’ past.

  123. jacksquat September 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I don’t think having Posada catch Mo adds more than a miniscule amount of chance the save gets blown. That’s almost entirely on Mo.

    And I don’t think having Posada catch Mo detracts from Mo’s moment, it just adds to it. It would make the moment even better.

  124. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    That’s a pretty good list to be on Curtis.

  125. Tar September 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Blake

    Same thing with Hellickson. Crazy about Pitt and Syracuse huh. Coach K was gushing over the idea. I have the Heels game on now (DVR).

  126. MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    What an achievement this will be.

    To be the only athlete to ever do what you have done. A one of a kind.

    A single case of perfection. A lifetime achievement award.

    This may sound corny but I really believe Mo when he says this is all made possible by his deep faith in God.

    He has remained dedicated and humble despite all that he has acomplished and he still gives all the credit to things outside his control.

    He’s like the Yankee version of a Knight templar. A Man on a mission which has been assigned to him from above.

    :)

  127. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Tar,

    I wonder if the move is just to.add……or because they are afraid they are going to lose schools to the SEC. They certainly strengthen their basketball with this move.

  128. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    After Rivera is inducted into the HOF, the truth will come out. Mariano Rivera is an alien. A real alien (from another world). He’ll be the first alien alien.

  129. MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    GB-

    He’s the one that got away from Area 51.

    ;)

  130. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Did ya’ll read this blog “The Meaning of 600 Saves?” Breaks down the era of the single inning closer its context amongst closers of the past.

  131. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
    GB-

    He’s the one that got away from Area 51.

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    I thought it was Area 42.

  132. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Yanks need.a good start from Freddy today……need to get him going if they want him in the playoff rotation because he’s not been great lately. He should be able to exploit some of the Jays aggressiveness and hopefully the Yankees can work Morrow and get him out early like other teams have been able to do.

  133. 86w183 September 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    The ACC may have assured no one leaves for the SEC or any other league by upping the buyout to $ 20 Million. Syracuse and Pitt have to pay $ 5 M to get out of the Big East.

    Might be on the verge of killing the BCS which would also be nice

    On that Olney tweet, it’s kind of amazing to realize Joe DiMaggio hit 46 HR in his second season (1937) at age 22 and never did it again. He came close with 39 in ’48.

  134. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    86,
    Thanks….I didn’t know that. Doesn’t do a ton for their football but should really make the conference a little less top heavy in basketball

  135. MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    GB-

    Yeah. I got confused. Sorry about that.

    It is from Planet # 602 though, right ?

    ;)

  136. pkyankfan69 September 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    It’s a good thing for the Sox its September and they have extra arms in the bullpen… They have Lackey and Miller starting the DH games against the O’s tommorrow…

    How many combined innings do they get from Lackey and Miller tomorrow?

    My guess is 8

  137. Tar September 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Blake

    From what I have read it’s all about making the ACC stronger ( both Football and BBall). The Big East is vulnerable right now, and schools are scrambling to secure their future. They are not going to stop there either. Supposedly the ACC is going for 16 schools with two 8 team divisions. There was even some talk of a future split from the NCAA by some of these new ” super Conferences”.

  138. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    It would help to post the aforementioned link, wouldn’t it?

    http://joeposnanski.blogspot.c.....saves.html

  139. MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    GB-

    Time to go walk my own 2 little aliens.

    Back in a few Cosmic time units.

    :)

  140. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
    Yanks need.a good start from Freddy today……need to get him going if they want him in the playoff rotation because he’s not been great lately.
    ————-

    I can’t imagine Freddy making the cut. If AJ or Hughes do well in their last starts of the season, I’d go with them. Freddy has done a great job in his role this season, but I wouldn’t want to start a junkballer in the playoffs.

  141. Bo knows September 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    To me, this calling in Posada to be part of a record smacks too much of a PR shtick. Nobody seems to think of the slap in the face to Martin. He, of the bruised and battered body – the hurt of the CC back foot slider, AJ pitches of “to whom it may concern. Martin deserves to have his small moment in history.

    Posada has had his time in the sun and a lot of it.

    Manufactured pathos cheapens the already artificial event.

  142. Tar September 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    “Manufactured pathos cheapens the already artificial event.”

    Bo you need to go get back into bed and get up on the other side.

  143. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
    GB-

    Yeah. I got confused. Sorry about that.

    It is from Planet # 602 though, right ?

    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    yeah, just a hop, skip and a jump from Space Station 7. Mariano’s real mission is revealed in the manual, Plan 9.

  144. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    With Tampa having a big pitching adv today the Yanks really need to vet this one in Toronto…..it would put them 6 up in the LC with 11 games to go and barring a huge collapse would basically seal the division. They have to figure out how to get their rotation lined up and the sooner you clinche the sooner you can do it.

    Im still curious how they are going to get CC lined up for Game 1……the way it stands now they will either have to skip his last start….or have him go on 3 days rest in it

  145. 108 stitches September 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    If it’s about fan appeal for the moment, have Jorge go to the bullpen to warm up Mariano for his record appearance then come in to catch him after 2 outs have been recorded and hopefully no runners on base.

  146. RadioKev September 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    New post

  147. blake September 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    new one up….Yanks not going for the throat today

  148. LGY September 18th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I can’t imagine Freddy making the cut. If AJ or Hughes do well in their last starts of the season, I’d go with them. Freddy has done a great job in his role this season, but I wouldn’t want to start a junkballer in the playoffs.

    —–+

    Do the teams that Freddy has pitched well vs the last two years suddenly learn how to hit his junk when the calendar flips?

    This power pitching/missing bats in October idea has gone way too far beyond it’s initial use. The reason those type of pitchers win in the playoffs is that most good pitchers are power pitchers!

    AJ Burnett and Phil Hughes are bad pitchers right now. Just because they can throw the ball hard doesn’t suddenly make them better in the playoffs.

    The concept is that GOOD pitchers who miss bats are better fits than good pitchers like Garcia or Derek Lowe for example.

  149. pkyankfan69 September 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    A win by a large margin where the Yanks didn’t have to get into the So-Ro-Mo group would be really nice today too. Not only that you would prefer that Rivera gets 602 at home but in general it would be nice to get all 3 of those guys a day.

    Since Proctor got his work in yesterday do you think its possible that the Yanks go to Brackman/Betances with an 8+ run lead?

  150. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Hughes is a bad pitcher now? 8 of his last 11 starts have been very good to exceptional. How much better does he need to be for you?

  151. GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    When was the last time Derek Lowe was good? 4 years ago?

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