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Rodriguez returns batting fifth

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 17, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Nick Swisher RF
Jesus Montero DH
Brett Gardner LF
Austin Romine C

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69 Responses to “Rodriguez returns batting fifth”

  1. thursday8605 September 17th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    ugh. your team’s all around best hitter (power, line drives, on base, avg. etc.) should be your 3 hitter…that hitter is Cano. Put Cano third, keep Arod cleanup, and drop Tex to 5. Tex has literally been all or nothing this year. Batting less than 250, an OBP in the 330′s, there’s no reason why he should still be in the 3 slot.

  2. Red Robin September 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    You can tell from the Baltimore Series that the Rays do not have what it takes to be a good team.

  3. Red Robin September 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Chad, what’s the game time today?

    1 pm ? 1:30pm ? 1:35 pm? 2:30 pm? 4 pm? 7:10 pm?

  4. pat September 17th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Wait. Alex’s salary means they can’t move him from clean up, right? :wink:

  5. MoRings42 September 17th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Arod’s power is diminished this season and it went back before he banged up his knee.. He doesn’t have any business in the clean up hole anymore. 5 is good but they should really stick him 2 or 3 to get him as many bats as possible to try and get his timing back.

  6. Wang IS Taiwan September 17th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Oh brother. It never changes with Girardi. He just doesn’t acknowledge reality.

  7. Vineyard Yankee September 17th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    I wonder, does ‘Binder Joe’ have some small inkling of trying to win the division ?

  8. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    pat September 17th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Wait. Alex’s salary means they can’t move him from clean up, right? :wink:
    ============

    Don’t be a wiseass :)

  9. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    If they have A-Rod batting with his hands split apart on the bat, it is going to sap some of his power.

  10. ron September 17th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    The rays are a real good team.

    Maybe not a great team but any team that makes as much out of their limited resources as the rays do,while being in the mix every year is a good team.

    They shifted from being in last place,getting number one picks every year,to collecting picks in every other possible way.

    I’d like to see the yankees focus more on pitching,less on offense.

    This is why i’d make montero my catcher til he absolutely has to be taken out of the position.

    Where else can you get a monster bat out of a scarce position,under control for very little money & under control for many years???

    Have martin & montero catch in 2012.

    Make a move if montero can’t handle it.

    Honestly,i’d go out & get another 3b & dh arod most of the games so we can maximize his offense & playing time.

  11. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    It looks like the Yanks are strongly considering taking Romine on the postseason roster. I wonder if the Yanks will take both Romine and Montero, or can Romine supplant Montero from the roster….

  12. RS September 17th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    The O’s have been playing spoiler pretty well these past couple weeks, starting with their series against the Yankees where they took the first 2 of a 4 game set. Hopefully they can carry that into the final 10 games of the season where they play the Sox 7 times. I don’t expect them to take more than 1 game at Fenway, but a series win in Camden Yards the final weekend would be nice.

  13. pat September 17th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    “Don’t be a wiseass”

    It was a lay-up that I couldn’t resist. Sorry. :sad:

    Alex 3rd, Robbie 4th and Tex 5th would be my vote (if I had one) based on %’s not $’s.

  14. JM September 17th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    It would be a shame not to put Montero on the postseason roster, since to me, the inconsistent offense is the biggest obstacle to this team going deep into October. I can’t see them leaving Jorge off the roster, though he has barely played over the past month.

  15. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    What was the resolution with Martin’s thumb? I see that he’s been playing, but is he okay? Can he throw?

  16. Vineyard Yankee September 17th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Just a gut feeling, I think they will take Posada on the post season roster. Another insult by leaving him off ?

  17. ron September 17th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Imo,posada with his performance when he caught justifies him being the emergency backup catcher in the playoffs & gives girardi an out for putting him on the playoff roster.

    Martin is going to catch every game unless he is hurt.

    If he is not hurting,there is no need for romine.

    I think martin & posada should be the catchers,montero the dh.

    No way romine is taken over montero,when romine will never catch,unless martin is hurt.

    Monteros bat makes romine look like nunez compared to cano.

  18. West Coast Yankee Fan September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    What this means is that Teixeira has mo betta’ pictures of Girardi than A-Rod does.

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yanks have been stupid re Jorge.

    They don’t let his bat get hot. Stupid, because Jorge’s bat in our park would be an asset in the postseason. They’ve decided an unobtrusive phasing out is the way to “handle” him, oblivious I guess to that fact that he can do some things offensively to stretch the lineup, especially in New Yankee Stadium.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan September 17th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Jorge’s pretty much done, they have better options. His contract was one year too long, unfortunate but necessary at the time due to the Metropolitans.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I think martin & posada should be the catchers,montero the dh.
    ///

    Had they brought Jesus up earlier, they could have also used him behind the plate, but now, Girardi cries “he doesn’t know the pitchers” !!! Well, GI Joe, that’s really thanks to you. Kid should have been catching – and hitting – a lot earlier.

    If he’s actually on the cusp re playoff roster, then the Yankees are out of touch with their own lineup needs.

    I’ve been saying since May they needed to bring this kid up because of Alex’s precarious power, and also because of Martin’s bat disappearing when they run him into the ground. For some reason, they have just played this like everything is idyllic and our cleanup hitter isn’t a 36 year old who has had hip surgery, and more recently, knee and thumb issues..this is what happens when players get old….they’ve just closed their eyes and of course, they’ve tried to trade Montero and failed to get the return they wanted…

  22. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Good to see Alex back. Romine behind the plate says it all…

  23. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yanks have been stupid re Jorge.

    They don’t let his bat get hot. Stupid, because Jorge’s bat in our park would be an asset in the postseason. They’ve decided an unobtrusive phasing out is the way to “handle” him, oblivious I guess to that fact that he can do some things offensively to stretch the lineup, especially in New Yankee Stadium.
    =======

    Jorge has been more productive against right-handed hitting than Tex. He can still help the club if given the chance.

  24. rr212 September 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Alex 3rd, Robbie 4th and Tex 5th would be my vote (if I had one) based on %’s not $’s.
    ————

    I agree with this lineup. Maybe even pushing Tex to 6th.

  25. RadioKev September 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:01 am
    What’s hapoeneing with Mauer should.make fans appreciate even more what Jorge Posada was able to do for so long.
    ———–

    Bingo! Fans have been all too willing to hate on him this season. The guy put up a very good career with the Yankees, and despite not ending his career on a high note, who does? It happens rarely.

    I also don’t think Romine has a chance of pushing Montero off the post season roster. It’s questionable if they’re competing for their same position.

  26. Red Robin September 17th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I hope we won’t have to see Montero drop another 0/5 bomb with 3 strikeouts.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan September 17th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Jorge will deservedly get a day at the stadium, gifts, adulation from the fans and numerous articles written about him. There will be time for that.

    The post-season is the time to put your best lineup on the field and there is no way that should include Posada starting. He can set on the bench, emergency backup catcher, pinch hitter.

    Maybe he will hit one out in the bottom of the 9th to win it all in his last at bat of his career. That would be sweet.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yanks have been stupid re Jorge.

    They don’t let his bat get hot. Stupid, because Jorge’s bat in our park would be an asset in the postseason. They’ve decided an unobtrusive phasing out is the way to “handle” him, oblivious I guess to that fact that he can do some things offensively to stretch the lineup, especially in New Yankee Stadium.
    =======

    Jorge has been more productive against right-handed hitting than Tex. He can still help the club if given the chance.
    ///

    I agree Ghost, but they’re not interested. It looks almost strategic, the way they mis-use him. He’s hot – they sit him long enough to make sure he cools off – they re-insert him, he tries to get back into rhythm, they yank him again and likely assure themselves he can’t hit anymore. It’s pretty transparent. Like I said, they’re stupid.

  29. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    EDIT:

    Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Yanks have been stupid re Jorge.

    They don’t let his bat get hot. Stupid, because Jorge’s bat in our park would be an asset in the postseason. They’ve decided an unobtrusive phasing out is the way to “handle” him, oblivious I guess to that fact that he can do some things offensively to stretch the lineup, especially in New Yankee Stadium.
    =======

    Jorge has been more productive against right-handed pitching than Tex. He can still help the club if given the chance.

  30. Vineyard Yankee September 17th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Is Yoba going to try for a rotation spot come ST ? :wink:

  31. Ghostwriter September 17th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    I agree Ghost, but they’re not interested. It looks almost strategic, the way they mis-use him. He’s hot – they sit him long enough to make sure he cools off – they re-insert him, he tries to get back into rhythm, they yank him again and likely assure themselves he can’t hit anymore. It’s pretty transparent. Like I said, they’re stupid.
    ==================

    Hmm. I’m not quite that cynical about it. I think that they are having trouble distributing ABs through the lineup, because there are a limited number of ABs, which is exacerbated by Girardi’ fascination with this (awful, in my view) idea of using the DH to give half-days to his postion players.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    blake September 17th, 2011 at 10:01 am
    What’s hapoeneing with Mauer should.make fans appreciate even more what Jorge Posada was able to do for so long.
    ////

    There’s a certain kind of fan who doesn’t understand that having Jorge and his OPS stay healthy for all these years actually provided a tipping point for the lineup’s ability to be overwhelmingly good. You can’t talk sense into them, for they fundamentally seem to grasp what slugging and getting on base mean at the catcher position.

  33. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Jorge isn’t done by any means. However, if Joe doesn’t use his bat enough and Jorge is forced to play suddenly, he will be out of rhythm. Think, Tony Clark, 2004 ALCS. Although Jorge has been pretty good coming off the bench, you still want to make sure you have all your bats worked in as much as possible in regular season, even if it is late AB’s.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    *DON’T seem to grasp, that is

  35. JK September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Why oh Why does Girardi REFUSE to drop Tiex out of the #3???

  36. Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Romine and Montero will definitely be on the post season roster. Romine to catch and Montero to DH. They will probably take Posada for sentimental reasons but I can’t see him getting a start in a play off game. Montero should DH in every game and Girardi has to put the best 9 guys out there and Posada isn’t one of them.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 11:56 am
    Jorge isn’t done by any means. However, if Joe doesn’t use his bat enough and Jorge is forced to play suddenly, he will be out of rhythm. Think, Tony Clark, 2004 ALCS. Although Jorge has been pretty good coming off the bench, you still want to make sure you have all your bats worked in as much as possible in regular season, even if it is late AB’s.
    ///

    Yankeefem, I remember it well. Clark hit like 3 HRs at Toronto & never saw the light of day again. When Torre finally remembered him, he K’d in 3 ABs when we were already screwed in that ALCS…Joe G seems to have Joe T DNA in this sense; let’s just let Jorge fust on the bench…if I need him, I’ll call on him….never mind that he won’t have picked up a bat against live pitching in 10 days or so…like I’ve been saying about this managment team of ours: no contingency planning…

  38. JK September 17th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Captain Clutch,

    Its Posada or Romine…. They cant afford to take both.

  39. sunny615 September 17th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    This team is burnt toast. Playing in zombie mode. CC is too cold. Every other pitcher is sore or sorely inconsistent. I don’t see any of the passion that the 09 team had. I would be surprised if this team made very far in the postseason. Other teams seem to just be healthier.

  40. RadioKev September 17th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Montero should DH in every game and Girardi has to put the best 9 guys out there and Posada isn’t one of them.
    ————–

    Nah. Chavez should get at bats too. I’d imagine A-Rod will DH a few of the games.

  41. jonathan p September 17th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    there is NO way based on this years merit that posada should be on the postseason roster. romine and montero should be on the roster and dumbo off

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Sorry Clutch, but Jorge would be useful even in a PH role, if they had been keeping his bat warm….I don’t know who you’re talking about, but I know who I’m talking about: Jorge Posada, who walks, drives in runs, and can still swing it sweet to those seats in right field….

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    there’s no way based on what you wrote that you merit a serious response…

  44. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Problem is that on this team b/c of small sample-based choices that were made we have too many players who are perceived as one-dimensional: DH, Joe G. doesn’t trust Montero to bat against righties. He doesn’t trust Posada to bat against lefties. Catcher, Joe doesn’t trust Montero or Posada to catch, so that forces in Romine and negates AB’s for Montero. The original premise of playing Cervelli instead of Montero is at the source of our need to have multiple catchers on the roster, and doesn’t bode well for the playoffs if Martin can’t go.

    Posada would not be put on roster for sentimental reasons. If they don’t think he can contribute no way he will be on the roster.

  45. Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Its Posada or Romine…. They cant afford to take both.
    ————–

    Romine is the back up catcher so he is definitely on the roster. I think the question is more Posada vs Montero and I can’t see them not taking Montero.

  46. Benny Blanco September 17th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Why the hell is Alex batting 5th?

  47. Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    but Jorge would be useful even in a PH role
    ——

    So who are you leaving off the roster to take Posada? Montero or Chavez?

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    Problem is that on this team b/c of small sample-based choices that were made we have too many players who are perceived as one-dimensional: DH, Joe G. doesn’t trust Montero to bat against righties. He doesn’t trust Posada to bat against lefties. Catcher, Joe doesn’t trust Montero or Posada to catch, so that forces in Romine and negates AB’s for Montero. The original premise of playing Cervelli instead of Montero is at the source of our need to have multiple catchers on the roster, and doesn’t bode well for the playoffs if Martin can’t go.

    Posada would not be put on roster for sentimental reasons. If they don’t think he can contribute no way he will be on the roster.
    ///

    Well said. JOe G suffers from a lack of trust :D.

  49. pkyankfan69 September 17th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Alvarez will not be a fun guy from Arod to return against. He is real tough on right handed batters and throws upper 90′s. Curious guy for the Yanks to have Arod play his first game against, especially considering he is reutrning from a hand injury. That being said I’m happy to see Arod back in the lineup.

  50. Chase September 17th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Chad, get rid of Red Sox Robin.

    He’s a clown.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Clutch, I’m leaving neither off. I’m leaving Romine (Cervelli) off…I’m also leaving extra false lefty specialists off…I want Posada’s lefty swing, especially at home. That’s a strategic weapon.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Gotta get going but I don’t for a minute think the Yankees agree with me, needless to say. Their loss.

  53. Bret The Hitman September 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    JK September 17th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    I wouldn’t touch CJ…

    32 in year 1 of contact
    limited starting history
    Majority of starts against weak As, Angels & Mariners lineups the past 3 years
    17M+ a year and 5 year contract required
    Hamels, Marcum, Danks, Cain, Greinke could be available in 2012

    *****************

    Excellent post. For 2012, if I’m Cashman I’d look for merely a stopgap unless a trade materializes unexpectedly and I have a chance to acquire someone like Gio Gonzalez. Otherwise, I’d have no hard time at all waiting for Cain, Hamels or Greinke at the deadline 2012 or the 2012 offseason.

    My offseason targets would be in order:

    1)Gio Gonzalez- If I could get Gio then that completely eliminates any risk associated with missing out on Cain, Hamels or Greinke should any of them re-sign with their teams or get traded and extended at the 2012 deadline. Since Gio makes league minimum, money earmarked for any of those guys can be spent on Prince or Reyes in the same offseason as Gio is acquired. Or, with the money saved on Cain, Hamels or Greinke I wait one year and buy Matt Kemp as a free agent. Money wise Gio + Kemp costs approx the same as Cain, Hamels or Greinke. Yet talent-wise Gio+Kemp is far more valuable than Cain alone or the other guys. Gio + Prince or Gio + Reyes fits the same principal: cost is comparable to buying a big-name pitcher yet value is much higher. That’s why Gio would be plan A. Not only is he a #2 or #1a arm and lefty, he keeps costs controlled in the rotation allowing for the Yankees to spend big on a bat now or later. He would cost Montero though…+ a lot more.

    2)John Danks-He’s a more realistic target than Gio but I would not trade Romine for him, not with Cervelli’s concussion problems and not for a 1 year rental. If Romine is required in a Gio trade then I wouldn’t hesitate because Gio is long-term. I think Gio is locked up to 2015.

    3)Francisco Liriano-He’s the cheapest and if it’s only for one year and the pricetag is extremely low I take a chance that he pitches lights-out looking for his first big contract after 2012. He’s in a walk year and has big-game potential. He’s also very injury prone which is why I wouldn’t be willing to trade much more than B-prospects like Noesi, Warren, Cervelli etc. guys like that.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Chase, just don’t acknowledge that it is even here… they’re not interested in getting rid of the vermin, so…

    Good one, all. I’m stuck with John for the first hour or so…

  55. Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Question…If the Yanks win the division would they play Texas or the Tigers?

  56. jacksquat September 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Montero should be catching this game.

  57. YES September 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Your best all around hitter (power, avg. O.B.P.) should bat 3rd in your lineup.

    The best all around hitter for the last 2 years has been Cano.

    Why is Tex still in the #3 hole popping up or striking out in key spots all the time?

    Tex should hit 5th vs. LHP & 6th vs. RHP.

    I like Tex, he is a good team player & an excellent defensive first baseman, but he has gotten a pass for 2 years now with his inconsistency.

  58. pkyankfan69 September 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Question?If the Yanks win the division would they play Texas or the Tigers?
    —————————————————-

    Whoever has the worse record of the two which would probably be Texas. This is assuming the WC is either Boston or Tampa.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock September 17th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    jacksquat September 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    Montero should be catching this game.

    ////

    THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!

    Later.

  60. BBFan September 17th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Texas

  61. Captain Clutch September 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    pkyankfan69,

    Thanks!!!

  62. RadioKev September 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    jacksquat September 17th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    Montero should be catching this game.
    ———

    Why?

  63. TheStraw September 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Yanks would play Texas…WC is guaranteed out if east, so they cannot play Yankees….Tigers have better record than Rangers, so they get the WC.

  64. TheStraw September 17th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    But Iif Texas somehow ends up with better record, they would play WC and Yanks would get Tigers. Didn’t realize they are only one game apart.

  65. TheStraw September 17th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Monday is shaping up as a big day…Yanks with the makeup game and Sux with a DH against the fighting Showalters….

  66. West Coast Yankee Fan September 17th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Posada hitting and Montero catching – two moves that will likely have zero impact on whether the Yankees win it all this year. Make that less than zero. I am going to take a shot with Montero at DH and Martin catching.

    * I would never sit Martin so Montero can catch and Posada DH in the post-season.

    * I would never sit Montero so Martin can catch and Posada DH in the post-season?

    * I would never platoon Posada and Montero at DH against righties and lefties respectively in the post-season.

    This would be my lineup every day in the post season; barring injury or an occasional shuffle against a tough leftie like a Cliff Lee. (with the understanding that Girardi will not drop Tex, etc.)

    Jeter-SS
    Granderson-CF
    Teixeira-1B
    A-Rod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-RF
    Montero-DH
    Martin-C
    Gardner-LF

  67. yankeefeminista September 17th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    At this point, no one’s advocating sitting Martin so Montero can catch in the playoffs. The point is Montero should have been ready to back up Martin by this point, so you don’t have to carry Romine as a third catcher. Mind you, I like Romine, but not having Montero primed and acclimated to back up Martin was a mistake.

    I too am out of here.

    Go Saltimbanquito! Go Yanks!

  68. RadioKev September 17th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Mind you, I like Romine, but not having Montero primed and acclimated to back up Martin was a mistake.
    ————

    I mean, that’s a double edged sword right there. He caught more than he would have at AAA, but he didn’t catch these pitchers. Overall, I’d say he’s probably better off for being forced to work on his catching more in the minors.

  69. RadioKev September 17th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    This would be my lineup every day in the post season; barring injury or an occasional shuffle against a tough leftie like a Cliff Lee. (with the understanding that Girardi will not drop Tex, etc.)
    ——–

    Why no Chavez? I imagine he’ll play some 3B and A-Rod will DH, and the team will be no worse off. I don’t think Montero right now is much better than Chavez, if any better at all.

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