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Let the Rays whittle down the magic number?
I was hoping the Yanks would go all out today and basically seal the division with a win and Sox loss…..but honestly aside from Pena this is still a really good lineup. The Yanks are deeper this year than any recent team I can remember
What’s the over/under for errors in the Pena Nunez spots today .
I can see the logic perhaps? Rest the regulars, hope for a win. Get the regulars back in to win an easy game game over the Twins, carry that win into the Rays series?
Re-post
I can’t imagine Freddy making the cut. If AJ or Hughes do well in their last starts of the season, I’d go with them. Freddy has done a great job in his role this season, but I wouldn’t want to start a junkballer in the playoffs. —–+
Do the teams that Freddy has pitched well vs the last two years suddenly learn how to hit his junk when the calendar flips?
This power pitching/missing bats in October idea has gone way too far beyond it’s initial use. The reason those type of pitchers win in the playoffs is that most good pitchers are power pitchers!
AJ Burnett and Phil Hughes are bad pitchers right now. Just because they can throw the ball hard doesn’t suddenly make them better in the playoffs.
The concept is that GOOD pitchers who miss bats are better fits than good pitchers like Garcia or Derek Lowe for example.
The concept is that GOOD pitchers who miss bats are better fits than good pitchers like Garcia or Derek Lowe for example.
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Sure, that’s true. But, who has the greatest margin of error? A guy that throws in the 90s or a guy that throws in the 80s? Freddy is a feel pitcher, and if he doesn’t have a feel for his pitches, he’s sunk. Look to some of his short outings this season for evidence.
The stipulation for my comment is, that if AJ or Hughes pitch with consistency in their last starts, I’d go with them, no matter how Freddy does (unless somehow he’s ridiculously dominant).
Hughes is a bad pitcher now? 8 of his last 11 starts have been very good to exceptional. How much better does he need to be for you?
When was the last time Derek Lowe was good? 4 years ago?
Inwith Kiev and green beret on Hughes. I think he has thrown the ball well
I don’t think it’s so much about style with Garcia as that he hasn’t pitched very well lately and his location hasn’t been there…..he’s got hammered in his last 2 starts and his ERA in the 2nd half is almost 5.
He needs to be dead on with his command or good postseason lineups will hammer him early….the Yanks need to see him sharp in these last 2 starts IMO to feel comfortable
Swinging Strike %
Garcia: 8.8
Hughes: 6.2
Burnett: 9.8
I still think Hughes has a shot at the playoff rotation….this back thing could slow him down some though
Hey look on the brightside Cano is finally batting 3rd!!!
This is a little dissapointing but probably a good move by Joe. He gives Grandy and Tex a day off the game on a high note after they both finally put together strong games. And the lineup today is in no way a white flag. Aside from Pena everyone can still hit.
Sept ERA: (2 starts)
Hughes: 2.25
Garcia: 14.09
Burnett: 4.15
Yes these are small samples….but I do think they need to see a much better and sharper Freddy from here on out.
Actually AJ has been about a 4.00 ERA pitcher all year save his 11+ August ERA and if he finishes strong I’m thinking more and more that he’ll be the 4th starter in the playoffs…….
Hughes isn’t giving up home runs or walks this year and 8 of 11 starts with 2 runs or less. I’ll take that. If Hughes had been healthy at the start of the season, he wouldn’t have pitched to a 13 ERA. I’ll take Hughes if he’s healthy and continuing to improve as he has since July.
The Yanks are deeper this year than any recent team I can remember
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Agreed, Cashman has done a great job with the roster this season. The Yankees have been flagged with injuries all season long, and we’re still 1st in the division.
The six hundred save was an already an Allen “How about that” and it wasn’t manufactured. Add to that Martin threw out Ichiro.
That was a great punchline for a story down the road.
And then this tweet exchange by Hughes/Martin is a classic.
russellmartin55 RT @PhilHughes65 You just had to steal his thunder and gun down Ichiro for the final out huh? | #55 There is no thunder without lightning!
I’ll take Hughes if he’s healthy and continuing to improve as he has since July.
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And if you’re the one to look for “post season experience” he’s won a couple of his starts. A nice one against the Twins last season, and in relief of Clemens.
Watch Pena have the hitting game of his life today, going 5-5 or something close to that.
It isn’t a horrible lineup. It’s serviceable.
I guess Girardi is counting on Alex hitting a couple of HRs.
Hughes is a bad pitcher now? 8 of his last 11 starts have been very good to exceptional. How much better does he need to be for you?
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Hughes is going to finish this season with one of the worst ever from a starting pitcher in team history. You can say it’s just injuries but his ERA since coming off the DL is 4.67.
Thus far in his career, he’s arguably the worst starting pitcher in franchise history. Next year I think he will be good, but I don’t think it is a stretch at all to say he’s bad right now.
In terms of what RadioKev said about his prior postseason experience. He’s two starts vs Texas in the ALCS last year were again arguably the worst in franchise history.
I was very encouraged by that Teixeira double yesterday. You can’t rebuild a complete swing in season but a small tweak is great to see. Long is a technician.
“Thus far in his career, he’s arguably the worst starting pitcher in franchise history.”
come on now…..he’s only had 14 starts this year and the first 3 of those he was clearly hurt.
Since coming off the DL here are the ER’s he’s given up per start: 2, 2, 7, 2, 0, 1, 2, 1, 6, 6, 2, 1.
He’s had 3 bad starts, and 9 either good or excellent ones…..which you’d expect from a guy coming back from injury. He’s 25 years old and trying to find his way…..calling him the worst pitcher in franchise history is a big overstatement.
Thus far in his career, he’s arguably the worst starting pitcher in franchise history. Next year I think he will be good, but I don’t think it is a stretch at all to say he’s bad right now.
In terms of what RadioKev said about his prior postseason experience. He’s two starts vs Texas in the ALCS last year were again arguably the worst in franchise history.
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I think those are some pretty over the top comments, in terms of “team history” stuff. He hasn’t had a good year, but I do think it’s largely been a physical issue, along with rust.
He didn’t do well against Texas in the playoffs, but find me the names of the guys who DID do well. It’s a small list.
Hughes since May 17th 2010: 40 games, 209.1 innings, 223 hits, 33 home runs, 68 walks, 152 strikeouts, 5.33 ERA.
http://www.pinstripedbible.com.....e-planets/
The Yanks can make things a lot easier on themselves by winning today and tomorrow….If the Rays win today they’re going to be pretty fired up for that series in the Bronx.
blake/RadioKev
In his career as a starter he has a 4.90 ERA in 387 innings.
I know he has gone through a lot with injuries and stuff but other pitchers in the team’s history have dealt with that stuff as well.
Based on the numbers they have compiled as starters Phil and AJ have to be in the conversation for worst in team history, right now.
Regulars sit in Toronto finale
Brett Gardner CF
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Robinson Cano DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Nick Swisher RF
Eric Chavez 1B
Russell Martin C
Chris Dickerson LF
Ramiro Pena SS
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With this lineup we don’t have to worry about Mariano breaking the “saves” record today. This will be a good Sunday afternoon to watch some NFL football.
Damned…the thought of LGY and Betsy doing a Vulcan Mind Meld is not only scary, it’s revolting.
Watch this lineup put up a ten spot in the first inning.
LGY,
I don’t think it’s fair to lump a 23-25 year old kid that’s battled injuries in with what you’re saying.
Numbers can be misleading…..the reality is that Hughes had a very good 24 year old season for a first year starting pitcher last season….he’s had injury problems, innings hangover or whatever this year which isn’t unusual. The story with Hughes is still yet to be written.
Yogi Mantle September 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Watch Pena have the hitting game of his life today, going 5-5 or something close to that.
It isn’t a horrible lineup. It’s serviceable.
I guess Girardi is counting on Alex hitting a couple of HRs.
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I wonder what Russ Martin did wrong to be included in this lineup…this must be punishment for breaking some team rule.
Damned…the thought of LGY and Betsy doing a Vulcan Mind Meld is not only scary, it’s revolting.
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What’s the Vulcan Mind Meld?
Based on the numbers they have compiled as starters Phil and AJ have to be in the conversation for worst in team history, right now.
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First, I’d be shocked if there weren’t worse pitchers in the Yankees 100+ year history.
Second, AJ is one thing, but Hughes is still young. We have the benefit of looking back on history with the other players in the books, but it’s still early in Hughes’ career. To call him the worst starting pitcher in team history is unreasonable and unseful, because it ignores future expectation. If the guy’s career was over tomorrow, maybe you’d have an argument, but I’ll go ahead and assume this is not the end.
I do expect a bounce back year for Hughes, where he’ll refine his stuff more, and be healthy for the season, with no inning limits to boot. I think that’s reasonable growth, as a young player works into his prime years.
LGY September 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
blake/RadioKev
In his career as a starter he has a 4.90 ERA in 387 innings.
I know he has gone through a lot with injuries and stuff but other pitchers in the team’s history have dealt with that stuff as well.
Based on the numbers they have compiled as starters Phil and AJ have to be in the conversation for worst in team history, right now.
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I hear what you’re saying. However, would a truly crappy pitcher get as many chances as Phil and AJ have gotten? Would you even have a big enough sample size to make an inferences? The fact that the Yanks keep running them out there says a lot about their ability and their potential. Making statement among the worst is kind of distracting, and ignores a lot of folks that only got a short look before the Yanks pulled the plug (e.g., Igawa was much worse than either of these guys.)
The story with Hughes is still yet to be written.
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A more concise way to say what I said above.
What’s the Vulcan Mind Meld?
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Not a trekkie
Sidney Ponson and Jaret Wright weren’t better than AJ and Hughes…..they were just so bad they didn’t get a larger sample
LGY September 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Damned…the thought of LGY and Betsy doing a Vulcan Mind Meld is not only scary, it’s revolting.
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What’s the Vulcan Mind Meld?
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You’re kidding, right?
The bigger issue with Hughes is that he’s nearing free agency. He’s a free agent after 2013 so they need him to get on tract next year and show his potential or they are going to have to make a decision about him long term fairly soon.
You’re kidding, right?
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Not kidding..
Where would Pavano rank? Oh yeah, he didn’t really start much.
blake September 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am
LGY,
I don’t think it’s fair to lump a 23-25 year old kid that’s battled injuries in with what you’re saying.
Numbers can be misleading…..the reality is that Hughes had a very good 24 year old season for a first year starting pitcher last season….he’s had injury problems, innings hangover or whatever this year which isn’t unusual. The story with Hughes is still yet to be written.
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In truth, he had a good (actually excellent) first half of a season. However, he has been a pitcher with an ERA well over 5.0. It is not at all clear what we have with Hughes. Maybe it was the injury problem. Hughes has an ERA of 4.67 since coming back from the DL–a significant improvement. Still, the guy has been in/around the league for several years now, and he still hasn’t developed a reliable secondary pitch.
Erin been around at all today? I hope she checks in, one of my email accounts is all messed up and I can’t access it… and its sending out crazy blasts for Viagra.
Figured I should probably let her know that’s not me lol…
There are two lists in my mind. The worst of the worst where you rank guys like Kei Igawa.
And then the “qualified” worst where you need a minimum innings pitched requirement to be considered.
Vulcan Mind Meld – take your pick
“From the television show Star Trek, the procedure known as a mind-meld involves physical contact with a subject, making it possible to share thoughts, experience, memories and knowledge with another individual. On the show, the Vulcan race can perform mind melds with members of most other species, including humans.”
or
“The phenomenon that occurs when two individuals are in online chat and type the same exact, or nearly exact, thing simultaneously. Named after Star Trek’s Mr. Spock, who had the ability to read minds.”
Vulcan mind meld:
http://tinyurl.com/3lsym6a
“In truth, he had a good (actually excellent) first half of a season. ”
I think we have to keep it in context though of first year starters at his age.
Shame Spencer September 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Erin been around at all today? I hope she checks in, one of my email accounts is all messed up and I can’t access it… and its sending out crazy blasts for Viagra.
Figured I should probably let her know that’s not me lol…
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That might be of interest to Randy.
LOL!
GB,
You are seriously going to be me the magic numbers nerd?
going to *call*
LGY September 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
You’re kidding, right?
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Not kidding.
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It’s a Star Trek thing: Vulcans, an alien race, have the ability to join minds with their subjects to share experiences, knowledge, etc. (I was a little surprised anybody under 50 wouldn’t recognize the reference..)
Very funny Nick
Ghostwriter September 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
blake September 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am
LGY,
I don’t think it’s fair to lump a 23-25 year old kid that’s battled injuries in with what you’re saying.
Numbers can be misleading…..the reality is that Hughes had a very good 24 year old season for a first year starting pitcher last season….he’s had injury problems, innings hangover or whatever this year which isn’t unusual. The story with Hughes is still yet to be written. ================
In truth, he had a good (actually excellent) first half of a season. However, he has been a pitcher with an ERA well over 5.0. It is not at all clear what we have with Hughes. Maybe it was the injury problem. Hughes has an ERA of 4.67 since coming back from the DL–a significant improvement. Still, the guy has been in/around the league for several years now, and he still hasn’t developed a reliable secondary pitch.
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Yea that’s the thing he is still a young pitcher but this isn’t his first rodeo. He has battled injuries as well as a decrease in the quality if his stuff.
Ghost,
I’ve never seen a minute of Star Trek or Star Wars.
Kenny Rogers says hello.
GB –
I don’t think Hughes will be bad going forward. I think he will be good next year!! I actually thought he would progress to a #2 this season
I’m a Hughes believer going forward. I’m just dealing with what he has done thus far and what he is right now.
Vazquez waves at LGY, too.
I’d say that the injuries have more to do with decrease in Hughes’ “stuff” than lack of talent.
LGY September 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Ghost,
I’ve never seen a minute of Star Trek or Star Wars.
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I’m not going to judge, I haven’t seen a minute of Harry Potter.
With good fortune, Hughes will go forward with no innings issues and hopefully a long run of good health. If healthy, what he does with his talent is on him.
So far with Hughes, “If it weren’t for bad luck he would had no luck at all.”
I don’t watch remakes and sequels, which includes making movies out of TV shows. Haven’t watched Star Trek since the 60s, but, it was good entertainment then, like “Time Tunnel” and “Twilight Zone”.
MTU September 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
GB-
Yeah. I got confused. Sorry about that.
It is from Planet # 602 though, right ?
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yeah, just a hop, skip and a jump from Space Station 7. Mariano’s real mission is revealed in the manual, Plan 9.
MTU September 18th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So far with Hughes, “If it weren’t for bad luck he would had no luck at all.”
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I wouldn’t go that far. Notching 18 wins in 2010 was a bit lucky. He probably wouldn’t have that record if he pitched for another team.
Alright, I’m outta here.
It was an enjoyable morning especially since I found out that GB7 is a “Trekkie” and the picture below is the new face to his name:
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/118508-weirdos.jpg
Randy, by definition don’t do chemicals.
Also, that chemical, blows your prostate out the fundament.
Very little mention of that due to negative pub
GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I don’t watch remakes and sequels, which includes making movies out of TV shows. Haven’t watched Star Trek since the 60s, but, it was good entertainment then, like “Time Tunnel” and “Twilight Zone”.
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Not even the Godfather 2?????? You are missing out!
“Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan” was a pretty good flick. It was essentially like a long episode from the show, with the same cast. If you liked the show, then you would like this movie.
I would have rested Swisher too after that “throw” he made yesterday…
Kev-
My fault for not being clearer. I meant with his health.
Ghostwriter September 18th, 2011 at 11:13 am
GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
I don’t watch remakes and sequels, which includes making movies out of TV shows. Haven’t watched Star Trek since the 60s, but, it was good entertainment then, like “Time Tunnel” and “Twilight Zone”.
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Not even the Godfather 2?????? You are missing out!
“Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan” was a pretty good flick. It was essentially like a long episode from the show, with the same cast. If you liked the show, then you would like this movie.
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No, never saw any of the “Godfather” movies after the first one, and none of the Star Trek movies. Have seen some of the Star Trek reruns, but none in the last 15 years or so.
Mo tribute for #602 is now complete after days of hard work.
It has been moved to the launching pad awaiting the go signal from his Mo-ness.
GB-
“Mariano’s real mission is revealed in the manual, Plan 9.”
Thankfully it is not like the one in the Twilight Zone. In the episode, where the book “To serve Man” is revealed.
Against Minnesota and Tampa, the rotation order wll be Burnett, Nova, Sabathia and Hughes in the DH and Colon on Thursday.
Godfather II is the greatest sequel of all time
Godfather III is one of the worst
But I laughed my way through all the campy b-sequels of the original Planet of the Apes
Magic number photo for today. Don’t think I’ve ever seen this one before. Caught literally a split second before a historic moment. Bonus points if you know who’s at bat.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xwSz.....berra2.jpg
MTU September 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
GB-
“Mariano’s real mission is revealed in the manual, Plan 9.”
Thankfully it is not like the one in the Twilight Zone. In the episode, where the book “To serve Man” is revealed.
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I pulled out my TZ dvds and watched that one. Serling had a great sense of humor and was only slightly less strange than Alfred Hitchc0k.
How are the Yankees going to line Sabathia up?
The ALDS starts Friday September 30th. If he pitches Wednesday then it doesn’t lineup for him to pitch the 30th on regular rest. He’d either need to pitch Sunday against Boston on 3 days rest or they’d need to skip his last start all together.
I think the best thing to do will be to throw CC on regular rest Wednesday vs TB and then an abbreviated start vs Boston on Sunday on 3 days rest. That will line him up to pitch Game 1 of the ALDS next Friday on regular 4 days rest.
It’s kinda poor planning by the Yanks IMO given the lead they have. Ideally it would have been nice to get CC a couple of normal starts on normal rest leading into the playoffs
So let me see if I got this straight
West Coast Yankee fan is a Red Sox fan
West Coast Yankee fan does not like GreenBeret 7 and created an alternate named P to tell GreenBeret7 to kill himself.
West Coast Yankee fan created P’s father to come on and lecture everyone
West Coast Yankee fan disappears after Red Sox losses and sends out his alternate troops to do his work. DSJK and Deal With It are two of his troops.
West Coast Yankee fan has a lot of identities here.
Is that about right?
GreenBeret7 September 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
MTU September 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
GB-
“Mariano’s real mission is revealed in the manual, Plan 9.”
Thankfully it is not like the one in the Twilight Zone. In the episode, where the book “To serve Man” is revealed.
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I pulled out my TZ dvds and watched that one. Serling had a great sense of humor and was only slightly less strange than Alfred Hitchc0k.
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Yeah, I remeber the gag in that one too. That old BW Twilight Zone was a great show, with a lot of great actors making appearances.
GB-
Strange to say the least. Often really put a great twist in. Loved that about his work.
The Coen Bros. have some of that sort of thing working too in some of their films, i.e Fargo, Blood Simple, No country for Old Men, O Brother where art thou, etc.
I’m a big fan of theirs. Just not in the Sci-Fi vein.
Who got the crap lineup last time out? Wasn’t it AJ?
Watch him pitch a gem!
It looks like the skipper wants Mariano to get his big one at the Stadium.
Woops. Nvm. Garcia’s pitching today, my bad.
To me, Garcia is the odd man out when it comes to the playoff rotation. His stuff is far and away the worst of any of our starters – when his split isn’t perfect, he has a lot of trouble and gives up a lot of hits. He usually gets out of tough situations, but I think we need someone who can at least get their fastball up past 91,92.
For me, at this point, it’s:
CC
Nova
Colon
Hughes
Burnett can come in the middle of a game (if someone’s struggling) and show his stuff – if it’s good enough, he can take over for whoever he had to come in the game for.
Of course, if everyone’s getting one more start, I think that Colon and Hughes could each have another bad start and AJ a really good one and all of a sudden he’s your #3.
Anyone care to guess the exact # of photos in the Mo 602 tribute ?
Hint: It ain’t 602.
MTU September 18th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Anyone care to guess the exact # of photos in the Mo 602 tribute ?
Hint: It ain’t 602.
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I would guess 42, which means that they wouldn’t even be able to cover his post-season contributions to the club.
“It’s kinda poor planning by the Yanks IMO given the lead they have. Ideally it would have been nice to get CC a couple of normal starts on normal rest leading into the playoffs”
blake-
i don’t get the feeling that the yankees are really strong on this planning thing.
they are a deep team and they kind of wing it as it comes rather than plan it.
look at the catching situation for the playoffs.
there is not a whole lot of planning there.
unless the plan is simply to have martin not get hurt.
Ghost-
Bingo. Give that Man a cigar.
In my mind it had to be 42. No other # possible.
Randy,
If you looked at how the schedule was….Sabathia threw on Sept 10th against the Angels. IMO the ideal thing to have done would have been to have Sabathia throw a simulated game on their off day and just skipped him that start. That would have given him a “half start off”, would have gotten him on regular rest and then lined him up to pitch the 20th vs Tampa on 4 days rest, the 25th vs Boston on 4 days rest…….and then ultimately Game one of the ALDS on Sept 30 on 4 days rest.
So to me that would have been ideal….he gets a rest by skipping a start….but he has virtually 3 straight starts on regular rest heading into the playoffs.
blake,
I think your plan is the best they can do for CC at this point. An abbreviated start against Boston, maybe 3-4 innings. Of course 3-4 innings against Boston could be 100 pitches.
By the way, IMHO Godfather II is a better movie than the original, although I love both. Godfather III is a joke although there are a couple of great scenes.
To celebrate the fantastic feat of getting sole possession of number of saves, I’m going to get the 42 Jersey.
Should it be home or away? I am so torn. I guess the deciding factor would be where he logs that momentous title.
Why all the angst over the lining up of the pitching? Once they started using six starters on a regular basis they were guaranteed to screw the pooch. Skipping your best starter is the worst of all solutions.
Blake, you were right the first time. Short start vs Sawx and he’ll be fine
I wouldn’t say they don’t “plan”…. they’ve just been too indecisive in my view. The problem for the brass is every time they get close to a decision someone lays an egg or pitches surprisingly well and they re-think everything all over again.
New thread —>
86,
having Sabathia skip a start wouldn’t have been the worst thing IMO…..and I agree they have been too indecisive…..but it is what it is.