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Montero behind the plate

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Eduardo Nunez 2B
Mark Teixeira DH
Nick Swisher RF
Andruw Jones LF
Jesus Montero C
Jorge Posada 1B
Brandon Laird 3B
Greg Golson CF

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265 Responses to “Montero behind the plate”

  1. kd September 22nd, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    will arod play again this year?

  2. Don September 22nd, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Here is why the Red Sox have failed this year: http://www.csnne.com/09/22/11/.....eedID=6385

  3. jpb173 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I just saw an article that claims the Red Sox tried to acquire Mets pitcher Chris Capuano to pitch one game (Sunday) against the Yankees. They wouldn’t have to even think about that if they hadn’t traded Casey Kelly or Justin Masterson.

  4. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Jesuuus finally gets a start behind the plate. Jorge back in, which makes sense. Keep both those bats see live pitching. Wish I were there. :( Bet one or both of the Killer B’s also gets a look.

  5. Joe from Long Island September 22nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    The mess in Boston is most certainly not due to Terry Francona.

    Obviously, I don?t know what goes on in that clubhouse. Manny being Manny; Ortiz crashing Francona?s pregame press conference and shouting that he needed to talk to Francona, NOW!; nobody telling Lackey to cut the prima donna crap; players badmouthing Ellsbury last year when he was injured and misdiagnosed by the Red Sox doctors ? this may all come down to lack of discipline and leadership in the clubhouse.

    But, the collapse of the team has more to do with poor pitching ? both starting and relief ? and players breaking down and not performing, and lack of team depth, than anyting else.

    Theo put that team together, and did not have the depth, either at the ML level or the MiL level.

    As pointed out above, the Yankees had their share of injuries this year, to starters, relief pitchers, and everyday players. But, they kept winning, due to depth. Colon, Garcia, Wade, Ayala, Noesi, Pendleton, Chavez (when he was healthy), Nunez, Cervelli.

    All that didn?t happen just by accident. Cash deserves a lot of credit for putting it together.

    In fact, I think Francona deserves some degree of credit for keeping it going as long as he has. It?s not his fault that Bard and Aceves are falling apart now. For too long, they were the only reliable guys out there.

    If Francona is let go, it will be done to save Theo?s rear. And that?s not fair.

  6. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    *seeing* live pitching

  7. blackaccord September 22nd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    that’s an awful lineup.. put dickerson in Right.. Chavez in 3B and laird in SS.. Montero could DH while Romine could catch…

  8. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    No way Francona will be let go. And if anyone is falling apart it is because of flat FB’s and overuse. No one had any sympathy for us when we were hurt in 2008. Go Rays!

  9. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    How do you like us now Boston?
    Slightly different version of yesterdays lineup….
    1st they had to root for the favorite, now the underdog.

  10. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    As pointed out above, the Yankees had their share of injuries this year, to starters, relief pitchers, and everyday players. But, they kept winning, due to depth. Colon, Garcia, Wade, Ayala, Noesi, Pendleton, Chavez (when he was healthy), Nunez, Cervelli.

    All that didn?t happen just by accident. Cash deserves a lot of credit for putting it together.
    =====================================================
    Good point but try telling that to the new dumbed down version of Lohud.

  11. BoJo September 22nd, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Nice to see Golson get a chance…

  12. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    The idea of firing Francona is ludicrous and I don’t see it happening at all. Is this the kind of standards the Sox and Yankees managers are held to now? There is only so much a manager can do…it is all up top the players

  13. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    But Bojo,
    Don’t you understand we’re DOOMED?

  14. blackaccord September 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Though I’m enjoying the sox collapse, 2.5 games is a lot to make up in 6-7 games.. that’s why I feel yanks did a huge favor by winning the first 3 against the rays.. If it was 1 game in the loss column, its a lot different..

    If the sox end up making the playoffs, they could still be dangerous.. Their hitters 1-5 are still good.. Its the bottom of the order that’s awful.. Also beckett and lester haven’t really struggled like AJ or Lackey.. They just have not been able to go deep and win.. and Papelbon has blown only one game… They don’t strike terror with the way they are playing now but their offense could suddenly get hot and they can sometimes beat you with offense in that pin ball stadium…

  15. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Boston players and fans must be thinking, “That f-n Girardi”

  16. Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Jon Jeyman tweeted that he heard Agon is playing thru bad shoulder pain.

    ————————

    Martin is funny and we all hate the Sox because we’re “born this way” but sometimes I think I hate the Rays just as much.

    I definitely prefer Francona to Maddon.

  17. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Jeers, I prefer the Rays over the Sox by a landslide.

  18. Northy September 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    A-Rod played yesterday, and have played a lot of games lately so I am fine with him not playing.

    Gardner and Cano played two games yesterday also, and I like tha Joe gives Laird and Golson opportunities to play, which may be very beneficial if they have to play a larger role in 2012…

    You have to look at the big picture, and today is not a must win game.

  19. BoJo September 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    If they fire Terry, I am putting my hat in ring for job. I will enforce strict rules such as players having to wear their jocks outside their uniforms, fielding while wearing the glove on their throwing hand, curfews at 10 pm (even on game night), and no dating of Heidi whateverhernameis

  20. BJK September 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Aw, man. I was hoping Swisher would be pitching today. : (

  21. Red Robin September 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    All these reports on the demise of the Red Sucks offer little but exaggeration.

    The smart one would realize that the chances of the Rays or Angels making the playoffs are still extremely small — less than 1%, considering there are only a few games left.

  22. BoJo September 22nd, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    But Bojo,
    Don’t you understand we’re DOOMED?
    _________
    I’m liking our chances…we seem to have even gotten rid of trolls here lately!

    Off to dinner…later!

  23. BoJo September 22nd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Red Robin September 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    All these reports on the demise of the Red Sucks offer little but exaggeration.

    The smart one would realize that the chances of the Rays or Angels making the playoffs are still extremely small — less than 1%, considering there are only a few games left.
    ________
    Mo-mentum isn’t just Mariano’s cousin. Sux choking historically.

  24. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    The Angels have a much easier path than either the Rays or the Sox.

  25. BJK September 22nd, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Red Robin September 22nd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
    All these reports on the demise of the Red Sucks offer little but exaggeration.

    The smart one would realize that the chances of the Rays or Angels making the playoffs are still extremely small — less than 1%, considering there are only a few games left.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    Technically 12.7%. But don’t let math get in the way of you trying to rile things up around here.

  26. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Carl Crawford’s final “diary” entry.

    ‘Sorry for the year I’ve had’

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston.....ar-ive-had

  27. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    All righty lineup against AAA highly rated rookie Matt Moore.

    Epstein has one more year on his contract, Francona 2 club options.

    Baltimore in Detroit to ruin the Tigers chances at HFA.

    Boston in NY today/tomorrow rooting for the Yankees tonight. Are they ready to hear “Who’s your daddy now?”

    All is good. No worries.

  28. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    As part of his ongoing efforts to bring world peace to the world, Peter Gammons submitted some important thoughts via Twitter late Wednesday night that have given the neterati much in the way of food for thought.

    In an effort to fully digest said food, NotGraphs’ own Eric Augenbraun rendered Gammons’ cryptic message into the LOLGammo form that he’s made famouser than famous, as follows:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/not/i.....reefallin/

  29. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    ESPN standings and % chances at postseason:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings

  30. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “I want to end the diary saying something to the fans of Boston. I just want to say I’m sorry for the year I’ve had. You guys have been really supportive and I appreciate that. Hopefully when we get into these playoffs, I can be the real Carl Crawford that I know I am. We’ll see.”

    WTF, Crawford? Why would you write this crap during a playoff hunt? And why would you say “when” you get in.

    Definitely not the brightest bulb in the box.

  31. Bronx Jeers September 22nd, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Jeers, I prefer the Rays over the Sox by a landslide.

    —————–

    Yeah I guess I don’t really get as worked up over the Rays as I do when they play the Sox but there has been some bad blood over the last few seasons that doesn’t sit well with me. It’s like they don’t respect the Yanks. I don’t sense that so much with the Sox.

  32. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    The one thing that has hurt Boston’s offense isn’t Crawford, and to some extent, the chemistry, is assuming that Youkilis would have no trouble moving back to third base. He was starting to have more injuries that lasted longer while playing first. Not sure why they thought he could seanlessly move back to third and all would be healed. No player takes responsibility of that team. you have an overactive 2nd baseman who thinks he’s the star of the show and now fancies himself as a slugger. That swing will not age well. His ego is bigger than the team. Other than Reggie Jackson, I can’t think of another baseball player that gave himself a nickname like “Laser Show”. Same with that stupid little jump he does as the pitch is being thrown to the hitters. He has a lot of the same charactor flaws as Knoblauch and it might be wearing thin.

    Lester is becoming more and more like Beckett, from stalling on the mound to throwing at hitters. When they get one of their own hitters hurt, it’ll stop.

    Mainly, the first time a pitcher went down, they were unprepared to replace him. It had to catch up eventually.

  33. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Bronx,
    I simply want to beat both, or either, when they’re on the field against us, although beating the Sox badly is simply too pleasant to ignore.

  34. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Alright. No one has posted these tweets yet. Last effort. :D

    “@BryanHoch: Girardi says Hughes will probably not make another start.”

    “@BryanHoch: Rotation vs. Red Sox: Garcia, Burnett, Nova”

    “@JackCurryYES: Girardi on how he’ll manage versus Rays and Red Sox in final week: “Our responsibility is 2 our club.” Said he wants guys rested and ready.”

    “@JackCurryYES: CC won’t make another start this season. Will probably pitch a simulated game on Sunday to get him lined up for Game 1 of the DS.”

  35. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Jeers, I don’t think the Sox respect the Yankees at all. The Rays are like the little brother who talks big, but you understand his attitude, whereas the Sox are holier than thou whiners who are always complaining in series vs. us about missed calls, Joba, ARod, the home plate ump’s strike zone etc. And don’t get me going about their pitching hitting our players. I don’t like the Red Sox’s sense of entitlement. I find them much more odious.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock September 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    Jesuuus finally gets a start behind the plate. Jorge back in, which makes sense. Keep both those bats see live pitching. Wish I were there. Bet one or both of the Killer B’s also gets a look.
    ///

    yankfem, I walked out of the Stadium last night thinking if Girardi has any sense, Montero should be catching tonight and Jorge should be in the lineup, too. Glad to see for once we’re of a similar mind. What bothers me is, they view those two guys as competing for one spot, whereas I see them as both being extremely important on the postseason roster.

    What a game last night, what a moment we witnessed. Not really sure why Girardi is getting all this credit for doing the obvious – as Jacksquat pointed out – the platoon made Posada pinch hitting there a gimme, especially since he actually had gotten the 1B start in the day game (now, that was smart). What was smart was pinch hitting Swisher, who is really more disciplined right-handed, for Gardner. He went down and got that pitch and drove it. Actually, what is irksome is that Posada should have been in there more. Since we now have the luxury of having clinched, let’s see if the manager begins to understand that guys whom you expect to help you need to get some regularity at the plate.

    Hey Big AL, thanks man, it was unforgettable and it did make not just my heart smile, but everyone who was present. It’s very hard to describe the kind of emotion that was palpable in that place when Po came out of the dugout. Many had tears in their eyes…

    Bojo, I’m thrilled to see Golson getting a turn in CF, too. I think, when you consider speed, reading, tracking and arm, he’s the best defender we have, and that’s saying a lot.

    yankfem, thrilled too to see Matt Moore get the start for the Rays. All’s good, but now the piece de resistance would be a certain tall right-hander out there Dealin’ for an inning or two ;). Throw his taller colleague in there, too. … We have the latitude to do it, now. Now that would be satisfying, although neither has pitched in a live game in over two weeks…

  37. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    LGY,

    Good job. :)

  38. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    That’s it, Joe. Good response, and let’s make sure C. is primed for game 1! C!!!!!!!

  39. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    yankeefem, Hear, hear.

  40. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    @JackCurryYES: Girardi said Yanks talked about starting CC again and having him on a pitch count, but didn’t want to push other starters back or drain pen.

    @JackCurryYES: More Girardi on resting players: “As you will see, I’m not taking my foot off the gas. I’m just not going to play my guys 12 days in a row.”

  41. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    LGY-

    Anyone think CC should pitch on 3 days rest Sunday to try for #20 with a limited pitch count, hopefully getting thru 5 innings with a big lead? Then he’d open Friday.

  42. GreenBeret7 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Mr. Curry has confirmed what I said on Sept. 7. Banuelos, Warren, Phelps to join #Yankees for the #RedSox series. Inactive but at Stadium.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock September 22nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    tomingeorgia, too pleasant to ignore…well said, lol!

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    The only people the Sux are a danger to is themselves. They are fried, over, and out. If anyone wants to delude her or himself into believing that they have anything left in the tank, all I can say is you are not anyone who watches Sux games – or you don’t know jack about baseball.

    THEY HAVE NO PITCHING!

    Pitching wins championships.

    Unless of course you believe that Lester and Beckett are going to suddenly throw phenomenal games and that they can go with a two-man rotation. Even their hitting has hit the skids. Their bullpen is worn out.

    This is a team in turmoil. I don’t care if by some miracle they win a game here and there. They are done.

    If you refuse to believe it, oh well.

    **************

    GO RAYS!!!!!

    Heretical? Oh well.

  45. DocTodd September 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Okay, here’s a first for me…I actually think the lineup is not weak enough..How about Pena at 2nd instead of Nunez,and Dickerson in RF? I actually am dying to see the Sox get screwed,so I want a weak lineup in all games vs Tampa, and our big guns vs Boston…I feel confident we’ll win HFA..

  46. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Curry on a tweeting rampage

    @JackCurryYES: Girardi just all but assured that Posada will be on post-season roster. “I don’t have 100 percent, but I expect him to be there,” he said.

    @BryanHoch: Edit – CC unlikely to make another regular season start. Still some hope they’ll see Hughes at TB

  47. Yankee Trader September 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    LGY-
    You just answered my question.

  48. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    They seem to be really pushing Phil, then, to just be a lower leverage reliever………not sure why. Shut him down if it’s that iffy with him and if he’s not going to make another start.

    If you’d told me at the ASB that CC wouldn’t get 20 wins, I would have slapped you silly

  49. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Too many good posts to respond to. Still recuperating from yesterday. ;) Props all around. :)

  50. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    We’ve almost got the best seat in the house. Locked up a spot a week early and able to enjoy the rest of the season play out. Would love for the season to go down to the wire.

  51. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Trisha,
    Heroine(ish) effort last night. Thanks for the mention.

  52. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t like the Red Sox’s sense of entitlement. I find them much more odious.
    ===============================
    Imagine that. After 2 wins in close to 100 years they are the ones with the entitlement issues, I love it.
    They are the same punks they always were…

  53. arjay September 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    blackaccord September 22nd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    Though I’m enjoying the sox collapse, 2.5 games is a lot to make up in 6-7 games.. that’s why I feel yanks did a huge favor by winning the first 3 against the rays.. If it was 1 game in the loss column, its a lot different..

    ————————–
    It really isn’t. Sox lose 2/3 vs Yanks, win 2/3 vs Balt – 3-3 so they go 91-71
    Rays win tonight, sweep Jays, win 2/3 vs resting Yanks. Go 91-71.

    I personally bet that it will be a three-way tie. But I hope the Sox ultimately make it in. Les dangerous than the other two teams.

  54. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    But Colon has to do well.

  55. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Not sure why they’re pushing Phil to be a lower leverage reliever.

    I think it’s a matter of an injury at this point, and the back of the bullpen is defined.

    You take your best pitchers, so if he’s healthy he’s going. Phil would probably be happy with any role this postseason.

    It’s not an insult or anything. Besides, you yourself don’t trust him. Now a lower leverage role is not good enough?

  56. arjay September 22nd, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Mr. Curry has confirmed what I said on Sept. 7. Banuelos, Warren, Phelps to join #Yankees for the #RedSox series. Inactive but at Stadium.

    ———————–

    OMG, please let Manny get a start!

  57. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    It might be better off keeping Phil and esp AJ away from the pen.
    All it does is take away spots fro more qualified relievers.
    Would hate to see Ayala , Wade or even Noesi (now a longshot with a shortened pen) left off in favor of either of them.

  58. Warning Track Power September 22nd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    I love this line-up.

    Reminds me of “extended spring training” in late Sept

  59. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Yanks are going to have to cross their fingers that Colon and Garcia can find it again, Tom

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    It’s hard for me to hate the Rays because I kind of adopted them when they were the scourge of the league and people were being horrrid to and about them. That kind of stuff kills me, so I decided to be a supporter – and I was also observant enough to see that they had good offense and starting pitching, even when they kept coming in last. Their bullpen absolutely did them in.

    So I can’t bear them any ill will. In fact, major kudos to them for achieving what they have on the budget they have! Good for them.

    Do I think they can beat the Yankees? No. But even if I had trepidation about that, I wouldn’t want to see them out of the playoffs for that reason. I’m not afraid to have the Yankees face any team.

    Now if people are horrid to and about the Sux, that turns into a horse of a different color. When they were at full health I wasn’t afraid of them. I’m certainly not afraid of them now! And of course, it would be a total laugher if they faced the Yanks – or anyone for that matter – in the postseason.

    My happiness is in watching them disintegrate. And since they were dubbed the best team ever assembled, I’d prefer to see them disintegrate without ever sniffing the playoffs.

    I still don’t understand how supposedly sport-savvy peopl (the experts)

  61. pkyankfan69 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    I like the lineup BUT I still would have had AJ at DH.

  62. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    I still have the feeling that one of the pitchers will pitch short. Have AJ and/or Hughes ready to relieve. I know people are going to wah at the thought, but they aren’t going to leave AJ off the postseason roster. Even if he should be.

  63. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    with an 11 man staff, you have morosolo,wade, ayala, valdez?
    cc,nova,colon,garcia

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    I still don’t understand how sport-savvvy people (“the experts”) picked them to be all that and a bag of chips when it was a well-known fact that their rotation had been unstable the season before! That made no sense. Yes, they got carried away with Agon and Crawford – and the Yankees losing Lee – but it still made no sense in terms of the uncertainty with the pitching staff. I said that at the time, and it has come home to roost.

  65. m September 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Maddon is the kind of guy you like to see play other teams. Your team? Not so much.

    You hate to play the Sox because they’re tough to beat.

    The Rays? I don’t give them much thought. There are other teams I dislike more. Angels, Rangers, probably Toronto.

  66. Brennan86 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Who do think Joe calls from the pen if necessary tonight?

  67. joeman September 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    check it out….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lohgU46mRA

  68. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    M, I have NO clue what you’re talking about and you apparently didn’t get my post. He’s not healthy and backs can act up at any time. He’s not going to be a post-season starter. Who do you suggest he replace? Robertson? Soriano? Mo? He’s not replacing any of them, so yeah, he’d be lower leverage. Why are you so upset because I suggested that they shut him down? You might also want to tell me where I said Phil wouldn’t be happy with any role – that has nothing to do with anything. It’s not worth discussing.

  69. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    betsy why do you get so uppity?

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I have no fears at all about Bartolo Colon. The guy knows how to pitch, and he’s a gamer. Pitch him on regular rest and don’t worrry about it.

    We’re loaded with pitching. Girardi can afford to be creative if he has to – CC, Nova, Colon for short series; CC, Nova, Colon, Freddy/AJ (split innings) for the long series.

  71. Warning Track Power September 22nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Brennan86 September 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
    Who do think Joe calls from the pen if necessary tonight?
    ***************************************************
    Most of the pen should be available. Proctor could be the 1st to pitch
    I would think that Robertson, Soriano and Mo are unavailable tonight

  72. BJK September 22nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm
    I still don’t understand how sport-savvvy people (“the experts”) picked them to be all that and a bag of chips when it was a well-known fact that their rotation had been unstable the season before! That made no sense. Yes, they got carried away with Agon and Crawford – and the Yankees losing Lee – but it still made no sense in terms of the uncertainty with the pitching staff. I said that at the time, and it has come home to roost.

    ——————————————————————————————–

    Not to mention Agon and Crawford replaced Victor Martinez and a career year from Beltre as opposed to adding to them.

  73. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    we get you take no s*it from anyone but are you the only one who gets it here?
    most others would just let it roll…

  74. joeman September 22nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    don’t know if he was available but B Myers is pitching lights out this month

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “You hate to play the Sox because they’re tough to beat.”

    mel, at this point I have to believe they’re in your head.

  76. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Betsy,

    You said that they’re pushing him to be a lower level reliever. I misinterpreted that. Sorry about that.

    I just don’t think they are going to push him to pitch if he is physically unable to.

    If he can go, he can go. If not, someone else will go in his place.

  77. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    it could come down to noesi or valdes
    valdes if boston, noesi , if not…

  78. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    trisha,

    No, that’s based on the last 6 years or so. They are tough to beat.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    “Not to mention Agon and Crawford replaced Victor Martinez and a career year from Beltre as opposed to adding to them”

    Add that to it! It seriously makes no sense. Maybe it was a sense of excitement that since the Yankees lost Lee, they were no longer the team to beat or whatever and the Sux were automatically elevated because of the acquisitions of two names (without giving any thought to who they were replacing or the pitching staff. It could have been totally borne of Yankee envy because it didn’t come from a place of well-thought-out baseball intelligence!

  80. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    joeman,
    That was funny.

  81. BD (Boston Dave) September 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    is it wrong to root for Tampa to win the remaining 4 games against the Yankees, while naturally rooting for the Yankees to sweep the series with the Sawx?

    home field is all but wrapped up…

  82. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    if aj is on the roster it will hurt the team in the pen as one will be sacrificed
    same with hughes…at this point just leave em both off and let freddy go game 4 if there is one
    cc could go on 3 days if need be too

  83. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    And if Phil is healthy, and he’s your lower level reliever, then damn you have a good team.

  84. waka flocka September 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    you guys would be singing a different tune about Tampa if you lived near Tampa. their fans are insufferable (especially now since they’re finding success). they run marketing campaigns based on disliking the Yankees. Tampa is definitely a rival to me. whenever i go to those games in person there is a ton of heckling going on and legit bad blood between the fans.

    p.s.: its the same when Boston comes to Tampa.

  85. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    It could have been totally borne of Yankee envy because it didn’t come from a place of well-thought-out baseball intelligence!
    =======================
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  87. BD (Boston Dave) September 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

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    But still, experts picked them to be unbeatable despite very questionable catching.

    Question marks in the rotation and weak catching – yeah that sounds like a champion.

  88. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    M, what I meant was that because he’s not going to start or be a late-inning reliever, it seems silly to push him. Then again, health is always a priority, so even if he were going to do any of those things, I wouldn’t chance it. My point was that the team is pretty well-covered in terms of the pen so that they can afford to shut him down and let his back heal. When Aceves had his back issues, you could never be sure if he was going to be able to pitch a particular day or, if he did, if he could even get through it.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    “No, that’s based on the last 6 years or so. They are tough to beat.”

    mel, certainly they have been in the past, but I’m am looking at them as presently constituted when I talk about what they are capable of.

    I just jumped in and skimmed a few posts so if I misinterpreted what you were saying, I apologize. Yes, they have been tough to beat in the past – not impossible, as we’ve seen, but at times they’ve played us really well. Just not when it really mattered!

    :)

  90. waka flocka September 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    i thought the Yankees and Red Sox matched up well in every area except the rotation. going into the season i definitely would have taken Lester, Beckett, Buchholz over CC and four guys with serious concerns.

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  92. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    They did lose Buchholz – that was a killer injury. Even if you think he wasn’t going to be nearly as good as he was last year, he was still going to be good – and he would have been the 3rd in a very good trio.

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    wonder if they can trade Arod for joey bats

  94. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    the magic # vs texas and det is 3
    any combo of 3 wins/losses and we have HFA

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    “just bc they are talking heads doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about”

    but mick, what staggers the imagination is that it was all of them – whomever they are! The only place I remember not drinking the kool aid entirely was Vegas! They always had the Yanks right there and I think they had the Yanks winning the division and right up there for the WS!

  96. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    buccholz scmuckholz….their pen suckolz

  97. joeman September 22nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    heard Tor wants to spend a lot of $$$ this off season

  98. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    It could have been totally borne of Yankee envy because it didn’t come from a place of well-thought-out baseball intelligence!
    ===========================
    why does that surprise you trish…money talks…bs walks

  99. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    but mick, what staggers the imagination is that it was all of them – whomever they are! The only place I remember not drinking the kool aid entirely was Vegas!
    =====================================
    that is what i meant to reply to

  100. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I think that Phil is pushing himself, too. I’m no expert, but it doesn’t sound like there’s any structural damage. Sounds like they expect him to start throwing soon. I was surprised Cashman called the media together for the announcement.

  101. austinmac September 22nd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Boston Dave,

    I just am unable to pull for my team to lose despite the circumstances. Play bunch of young and increase the chance of losing. That I can go for.

  102. yankeefeminista September 22nd, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Why would the Yankees push Hughes if it were to his detriment health-wise? I highly doubt that would happen.

    As for Sux, no surprise there. Their pitching was always a question mark and we knew that it wouldn’t hold up, and it didn’t.

  103. tomingeorgia September 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Weather in Da Bronx?

  104. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    yf,

    lol. I remember thinking that the Sox rotation wasn’t all that great either when ours was getting slammed.

    We lost Hughes like they lost Buccholz, the difference being they don’t have a Nova.

  105. LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    wonder if they can trade Arod for joey bats

    ——

    Serious?

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    “going into the season i definitely would have taken Lester, Beckett, Buchholz over CC and four guys with serious concerns.”

    Not me. Beckett had a spotty year the previous season and Lester also had some ups and downs. Since I didn’t see our rotation as CC and four guys with serious concerns, I was very optimistic about what we had going. I saw the Sux as an entire package where Dice-K and Lackey had to be added to the mix and I saw it as a very questionable package.

    I would have taken CC, Nova, AJ, Bartolo, Hughes and Colon over that in a NYC heartbeat.

    Now things didn’t work so well with Huges and AJ, but the others were far superior to the Sux rotation for the season.

  107. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Betsy always makes the same charge about the Yanks “pushing” a guy to come back from an injury and they are usually unfounded charges given how the Yankee staff is notoriously cautious with players who are battered and nicked up.

  108. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    if the angels sweep then boston must go 5-2 to tie
    with their pitching , or lack of it, they could be had
    tb has 4 with us and 3 with tor…..if they split with us and sweep tor , they go 5-2

    right now, bc of pitching i see a tie with tb and la
    tb owns a 4-3 season edge

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    “As for Sux, no surprise there. Their pitching was always a question mark and we knew that it wouldn’t hold up, and it didn’t.”

    yankfem, maybe you really had to have lived in the vicinity and been really familiar with the Sux as a team to vibe onto that. You’ve lived here and so you know the team well. I am entirely stymied about anyone who embraced their pitching as anything less than a question mark – because the previous season showed that it really needed to be looked at that way! It doesn’t mean that they all couldn’t have turned it around and been great, but if you looked at them as titans, you were really looking through lenses of fear and not rationality.

  110. joeman September 22nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    # LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    wonder if they can trade Arod for joey bats

    ——

    Serious?
    ———————–
    no !!!!

  111. Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t think so, but you go on deluding yourself. By the way, you’re a complete hypocrite. You were one of the ones who used to complain about the board being dragged down by trolls, etc………YET, you continue to snipe at me every chance you get. You can’t seem to ignore me, so how are you different than a troll? You’re not.

  112. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    phil might want to start thinking about the alcs, altho if he’s not on the alds roster it’s a longshot esp as a starter

  113. lounge lizard September 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Rangers lose 3-1 lead late, go down 4-3 to A’s. Puts our magic number vs them for HFA down to 1 because we won season series. Still 3 vs Tigers.

    Rangers have crazy travel schedule. Finish west coast trip today. Back to Texas (with no travel day) for three games at home. Then back to LA (again with no travel day) to finish against the Angels. I know those are all divisional opponents but it’s not like Texas is next to California.

  114. m September 22nd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    I would have also taken our guys.

    Beckett was injured and not pitching well. Dice-K was not fooling anyone. Lackey was a disaster. Buchholz was good, but I thought due for a correction somewhat.

    Now the only thing in their favor is that Lester has been good and Beckett was surprise for me. Their back end was always as questionable as ours.

  115. 108 stitches September 22nd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    I believe that when the ALDS roster is released, a stong sense of relief will be felt by many Yankee fans that Burnett is not on the roster.
    There’s too many others that can make a real contribution opposed to crossing fingers every time Burnett is on the mound.

  116. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:23 pm

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    you are negative and take everything personally and bring down a board
    you cannot be disagreed with and will not argue bc of that
    why cant you face the truth?

  117. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    you know i forgot the angels could beat out the rangers
    if they swept that could happen…

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    “buccholz scmuckholz….their pen suckolz”

    :D

    That would be a bingo.

    Seriously, they are in such trouble that’s it’s almost a Greek tragedy at this point. I DVRd the postgame last night because I wanted to snicker, but I have to tell you that (and understandably so) that’s a team without a compass and in total confusion. I don’t think they can quite believe that they are playing the way they are. And they are attempting to say the right things but I don’t know that they believe them.

    As soon as we have HFA sewn up, I’d like to see the Yankees start the games with pitching from the minors. But I don’t want the Sux to win any games in NY.

    What a dilemma. :)

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    “Beckett was injured and not pitching well. Dice-K was not fooling anyone. Lackey was a disaster. Buchholz was good, but I thought due for a correction somewhat.”

    Absolutely! So what in hell were the “experts” thinking? That’s 4/5 of the rotation! I guess it will just remain a mystery.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    tomingeorgia, thanks. :)

    Wish you had been there.

  121. mick September 22nd, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Absolutely! So what in hell were the “experts” thinking? That’s 4/5 of the rotation! I guess it will just remain a mystery.
    ==================
    thye don’t get paid to think…they are told what to say

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 22nd, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I can believe that also, especially since it’s so ESPN driven!

    They all look prettty stupid right now, ha ha!

  123. Giuseppe Franco September 22nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    # Betsy September 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I don’t think so, but you go on deluding yourself. By the way, you’re a complete hypocrite. You were one of the ones who used to complain about the board being dragged down by trolls, etc………YET, you continue to snipe at me every chance you get. You can’t seem to ignore me, so how are you different than a troll? You’re not.

    ————

    So challenging you on your repetitive unfounded charges means I’m a troll? Whatever you say.

    You say the same thing all the time. Their either “pushing” a guy back from injury or they are “pushing” a kid too hard in the minors.

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    I think they are doing the right thing with CC, no sense in pushing him now.

    JAP

    Good to see Montero behind the plate!, and i envy you for being able to be at YS

    Joe from LI, GB7,

    Very good posts, i would add that what doomed them was the lack of depth, so they couldn’t deal with injuries like we did…If someone should be fired it should be Theo.

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