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Postgame notes: “There is some concern there”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 23, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Bartolo Colon hasn’t won a game since the beginning of August. He has a 5.09 ERA with a .298 opponents batting average since the all-star break, and he’s lost his past four decisions.

The lightning might be out of the bottle.

“When we went into this year, we weren’t sure how many innings we could get out of him,” Joe Girardi said. “There is some concern there, so we’ll continue to evaluate as we move forward… It’s location, it’s movement and it’s some velocity, as well. That’s why there are concerns.”

Colon seems baffled. He said he never looks at the scoreboard to see velocity, and the fastball seems to be coming out of his hand the same as it was earlier this season. Girardi, though, said the Yankees reports have his fastball a couple of miles per hour slower. Girardi doesn’t believe Colon is hurt, and Colon himself said he feels just fine.

“I feel the ball coming out of my hand well,” he said. “For some reason (it’s not as good). I don’t see anything different, I just need to continue working hard to go back to the way I was before.”

The Yankees will have CC Sabathia pitch a simulated game on Sunday, lining him up to start Game 1 of the division series. Girardi said the rest of his rotation is TBA. Earlier this season, Colon seemed to be the Yankees second-best starter, and at times he still looks like a viable option, but his past two outing have lasted a total of seven innings.

“When I pitched against Anaheim (two weeks ago), I threw the ball and had the movement on the ball and the velocity,” Colon said. “There’s no question that I’m going to get it back.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame press conference.

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• Girardi said that no one who came out of tonight’s game was removed because of injury. Colon came out because he was ineffective. Derek Jeter, Nick Swisher and Mark Teixeira were removed because the game was out of hand.

• CC Sabathia on the decision to throw a sim game instead of make another start: “I want to be on five days going into Game 1, so we’ll do it on Sunday… I think it will be fine. I’ll throw the simulated game, probably 45 pitches, then I’ll be ready to go on Friday.”

• Girardi left open the possibility of using only a three-man rotation in the first round. “It’s possible that you could go with three-man because only one guy would have to pitch on short rest,” Girardi said. “Sabathia, of course, said he would have no problem with that.

• Colon’s explanation of why he fell down in the first inning: “The pitch that I threw to Longoria, I threw the ball and I landed on my heel. My cleat got stuck.”

• The Yankees tied their season-high with 14 strikeouts. They had four players strike out at least twice, including Jorge Posada, who matched his career-high with four strikeouts (this was his sixth career game with four Ks).

• The Yankees also matched their season-high with four errors. It was the fourth time they had four errors in a game this season. In the previous four seasons, they had a total of four games with four errors.

• The Yankees used 16 different pitchers during this four-game series. Only Freddy Garcia, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes didn’t pitch.

• Ramiro Pena snapped an 0-for-28 with his sixth-inning single. He had another hit in the seventh. All told, Pena has a hit in two big league games this season, tonight and June 15 in Texas. Both were two-hit games.

• Andrew Brackman and Dellin Betances both made their big league debuts. The last time two Yankees pitchers made their debuts in the same game was April 20, 2004 against the White Sox (Alex Graman and Scott Proctor).

• Yes, Proctor pitched in this game as well. Random.

• Derek Jeter had his first two-error game since June 2, 2007. It was the 14th two-error game of his career.

• Jesus Montero now has a hit in 10 of his first 14 career games. He went 3-for-3 and reached base in each of his five plate appearances.

• Really impressive start for Rays rookie Matt Moore, who was starting a big league game for the first time. “The young man has good stuff,” Girardi said. “Eleven strikeouts in five innings. I think we saw as high as 97, a 3-2 changeup. He’s got outstanding stuff.”

• An ugly game for the Yankees, and Girardi said it’s easier to move on because of what happened yesterday. “We got down a lot,” he said. “Our guys tried to chip away and we had some opportunities, it was just too much.”

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108 Responses to “Postgame notes: “There is some concern there””

  1. Bret The Hitman September 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 am

    The games 3 and 4 starters will require long relievers to hedge against implosion.

    Game 1 CC

    Game 2 Nova

    Game 3 Garcia (Colon long reliever)

    Game 4 Burnett (Hughes long reliever)

    OR

    Game 1 CC

    Game 2 Nova

    Game 3 Colon (Garcia long reliever)

    Game 4 Hughes (AJ long reliever)

    I think the first option is better. I’d rather see Hughes and Colon out of the pen in games 3 and 4 because AJ is not tested in the pen and Garcia’s stuff is too soft for relief.

  2. CompassRosy September 23rd, 2011 at 12:16 am

    re-post…

    LGY September 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
    Compass Rosy are you out there??

    I have a Mariners related tidbit you might find cool.
    =================================

    I’m here LGY ~

    I was actually just stopping by to give my belated congrats to…
    -Mr. Rivera on 602
    and
    -the Yanks for clinching
    (not that the second thing gives me any great joy, just trying to be a good guest ;-) )

    So, whacha got on my M’s?
    Something about our Italian Stalion perhaps?
    Or, the Big Fish?
    Or, possibly the Carolina Connection?

    Lay it on me :-)

  3. m September 23rd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    repost for Rosy:

    # m September 23rd, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Rosy,

    We have a weekly circular whose best feature is the supermarket ads, and Brandon League was on it. The caption was that League was one of the players that Seattle wants to build around. I kind of laughed it off, not giving the article even a glance.

    But since you’re “fishing” I found and read the online version of the article. Just talking about how he came out of seemingly nowhere.

    I don’t follow WC baseball too much, but we love our local kids. So, I’ll start paying closer attention to how League is doing.

    http://www.midweek.com/content…..League/P1/

  4. m September 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Hughes is my X factor. I have a good feeling if he’s healthy. If he isn’t, we still get it done.

    Colon, Garcia, Burnett all have short leashes imo. Wouldn’t mind having some inning eaters in the bullpen. As David Cone said, “All hands on deck.”

    Talking today about how the Sox don’t have a Nova. Actually they did have one. His name is Masterson. Who was he traded for? V-mart? If so, that was lame. They should have stuck with Youkilis at 1B fulltime and gotten a real catcher. And kept Masterson. Oh, well. C’est la vie.

  5. LGY September 23rd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Rosy

    I was hanging out tonight with some buddies from Australia and I discovered that they went to high school and are good friends with Ryan Rowland Smith.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    “CC Sabathia on the decision to throw a sim game instead of make another start: “I want to be on five days going into Game 1, so we’ll do it on Sunday”

    There you have it again. The value of pitching on regular rest!

    “Bartolo Colon hasn’t won a game since the beginning of August. He has a 5.09 ERA with a .298 opponents batting average since the all-star break, and he’s lost his past four decisions.”

    The first two games in August that he pitched he gave up 2 ER each time. The next two games he gave up 5 ER each game, both with six days rest in between. The next game with 5 days rest he gave up 2 ER. (again not his fault that he didn’t win the three games where he gave up only 2 ER.) Next game he gave up 4 ER with 6 days rest, the next game 0 ER with 6 days rest (okay, an aberration in terms of rest) and the next game he had EIGHT days in between and gave up 6 ER.

    I don’t care who it is, if you keep changing around a starting pitcher’s schedule, it is going to have ramifications. Not blaming the Yankees, especially when they had all of the make up games, doubleheader, hurricane changes, etc.

    “When I pitched against Anaheim (two weeks ago), I threw the ball and had the movement on the ball and the velocity,” Colon said. “There’s no question that I’m going to get it back.”

    That’s exactly what I like to hear.

    Anyway, time will tell. I am believing if he gets to start again and does it on 5-days rest, he may have a very good outing. We’ll see.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Night all. Fun begins tomorrow!

  8. CompassRosy September 23rd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    m ~
    Unfortunately, the link is broken :-(
    It is pretty amazing how Brandon stepped up with Aardsma out. Saving 36 games on a team that will likely not win 70 is a pretty neat feat!

    LGY ~
    That’s cool!
    I’ve really never heard a bad thing about RRS – coaches, teammates and reporters always had great things to say about his attitude and character. I still root for him (and follow him on twitter) and hope that he’ll get back on a major league mound someday. An old friend of mine has a daughter who dated him for awhile (she ended up marrying someone else – but the family really liked him). Last I heard, he was dating David Aardsma’s sister. Probably more than you wanted to know but, Erin might be interested ;-)

  9. LGY September 23rd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Rosy

    Lol about Erin. That’s some good gossip. They said he’s a good guy and good friend.

    But they think he gets frustrated sometimes when he goes home to Australia because no one cares about baseball. A few times he has gotten into an argument or fight or something (nothing serious) and he’ll be like “Do you know who I am!?” and they reply is “Ummm. No.” :P

  10. CompassRosy September 23rd, 2011 at 12:50 am

    m ~

    I found it…

    http://tinyurl.com/3hydy8g

    Thanks for pointing me toward it.

  11. CompassRosy September 23rd, 2011 at 12:54 am

    LGY ~

    Poor RRS … so, basically, he’s Australia’s version of Rodney Dangerfield :-)

    Of course, there are worse things in life than living in Australia (he’s actually from an area near Sydney where my mom lived for a few years and I was lucky enough to visit once – a fabulous place!)

  12. CompassRosy September 23rd, 2011 at 12:56 am

    So Yank fans ~

    Who do you think you’ll be playing in the first round?
    It’s been quite a last couple of days for those in the hunt….

    I won’t lie…
    I’m rooting for the Tigers (would love to see Mister Fister do well!)

  13. RSM September 23rd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Game 1 CC

    Game 2 Nova

    Game 3 Garcia (Colon long reliever)

    Game 4 Burnett (Hughes long reliever)

    ________________________________________________

    This could work Bret.

  14. m September 23rd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Flipping through the channels and I come across Minka Kelly. She’s looking nice with the long feathered hair. The rest of the cast looks pretty blah. Not sure how long the show will survive.

    Rosy,

    When you put it in those terms, that is a pretty good feat.

  15. JobaTipsHisCap September 23rd, 2011 at 1:29 am

    they should shutdown Bartolo Colon also, he’s tired apparently.

    CC is a concern now; since basically any game he starts in postseason is a mustwin for Yanks, I wish he pitched several clean good games into playoff. Unfortunately this is not the case .

  16. Dill Pickler September 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 am

    Trisha, you’re absolutely right. CC was on a roll before they went to a 6-man rotation, and suddenly he wasn’t.

    Although I’m not sure that the alternative would have been better (taking one of the guys out of the rotation at that time — especially since that guy might very well have been Nova.

    We need CC to get back to being on a roll, and we need Nova to keep pitching the way he has been. If that happens, this team rolls.

  17. UnKnown September 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 am

    I assume the mapping out of the post season rotation in the above posts are ALCS related.

    Because there is not a chance that CC doesn’t go on short rest in the ALDS. Sabathia will be your Game 4 starter.

  18. vitus September 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 am

    Not sure if anyone post this. But apparently Greg Couch of Fox and Goose think Mo’s save record is overrated

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ors-092111

    Man, it’s just lame

  19. PacoDooley September 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 am

    Just so impressed with Montero’s offense – five times on base in this one, with a slash line of .313 .389 .542 (BA, OBP, SLG). As a Yankees fan, I want him to thrive as the future of this team, but I also want to see Seattle looking stupid for pulling out of the Lee trade. Think they would take a do-over on the decision to pull out of that deal if they could?

  20. m September 23rd, 2011 at 4:40 am

    You know, Gossage’s argument has some merit. But he should really keep his mouth shut. Because he’s almost sure to embarrass himself every time a writer whips out his recorder. We get it. Managers ran you into the ground. You got paid pennies. You had to walk through 5 feet of snow to get from the bullpen to the mound. There’s got to be a way to relive your glory years without denigrating today’s game. I mean, take a page out of Hank Aaron’s book. Or take a cue from another Yankee like Yogi.

    If those Gossage quotes are old ones, then shame on the writer for not acknowledging as much.

  21. AldotheApache September 23rd, 2011 at 6:39 am

    m -

    Excellent post.

  22. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 am

    Great night for Montero….maybe he’s starting to make some adjustments.

    Last nights outcome is meaningless but the way Colon pitched wasn’t…..he had nothing and was throwing essentially 89-90 mph BP. It’s worrisome heading into the playoffs and the gas tank is looking close to E to me…..I honestly think AJ with a very short leash is probably a better option right now because he has least has the tools to get you a few good innings and then turn things to the pen.

    Depends on who they play but Joe has some interesting options for Games 3 and 4……sure wish Hughes could make another start to see where he is.

    I take nothing away from Betances outing….he hasn’t thrown in forever and basically he looked just like he did in ST when he was out of whack and couldn’t get the ball down.

    Sweep the Sox!

  23. upstate kate September 23rd, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Funny you say that Blake b/c I was thinking the same thing. I would give Nova the 3rd game, b/c he and CC are the only starters who reliably go deep into the game. I would seriously think about giving AJ game #2 w/ a very short leash. Colon and/or Phil could back him up.

    Angels, Rangers, Tigers all lost last night as well.

  24. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Kate,

    You have to start Nova game 2….because thhe game 2 starter is also your game 5 starter if they go 3 man in the first round.

    Basically I mean that I would still consider AJ for a game 4….I’m still hoping Hughes comes back and looks strong.

  25. upstate kate September 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 am

    yeah I see the logic there Blake.

  26. AldotheApache September 23rd, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Nova in Game 2. Joe’s binder has the final word.

  27. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 7:43 am

    I would keep Nova at Number 2. If the series go all five games, you would have Nova available on short rest to pitch. I would still prefer Nova on short rest over AJ or Colon on full rest.

  28. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Good morning-

    I didn’t see the game last night and Blake you answered the questions I had about Colon.
    How was Montero defensively behind the plate?

    Read the NY Post attached article about ” 10 Key issues facing the Yankees entering the playoffs”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....44B6iznhGM

    Which ones do you agree and don’t agree with?

  29. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Title of this thread says it all, “there’s some concern there.”

    You betcha.

    Looks like Jesus can walk (literally) and chew gum at the same time.

    Does anyone still doubt that he can at least be an acceptable BUC, if not more ?

  30. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 am

    One more win by the Yankees and they secure HFA over the Tigers/Rangers who are at 90-66.

    My question from the Post article:

    “Ivan Nova, a 16-game winner, will make a start but which one? If Nova pitches Game 2 and the Yankees use Sabathia for Game 4, Nova would get a Game 5 assignment on regular rest. Do you want a rookie taking the ball in that spot?”

  31. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 7:57 am

    YT-

    I don’t particularly like the idea of a rookie taking the ball in any playoff game.

    Even a kid like Nova who has talent and moxie.

    The pressure level, qulaity of competition, and margin for error are orders of magnitude different.

    I hope Nova turns out to be able to handle it.

  32. pat September 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 am

    “Great night for Montero….maybe he’s starting to make some adjustments.”

    Possible familiarity more than adjustment at play. He probably faced most of last nights pitchers earlier this year.

  33. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Am I correct in my thinking that the team with the better record gets to chose the “format” for the ALDS ?

  34. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Who pitches game #3?
    1. Colon who hasn’t won a game since the end of July?
    2. Garcia who’s given up 6 homers the month of September in 3 lousy starts?

    Garcia’s split stats:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....ddy-garcia

    3. Hughes after an epidural for a herniated disc?
    4. Burnett?

    5. Noesi, followed by Wade, Ayala, Logan, Soriano, DRob, Mo.

    Seriously?

  35. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Considering the rookie is our second best starter at the moment… yes. What other choices are there??

  36. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 am

    How was Montero defensively behind the plate? Was his arm challenged?

  37. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Hughes’ disc issue (from what I read), is just a flare up from the disc, not an actual herniated disc. Normal rest and recoop fixes it. Hughes got an epidural to speed along the recovery so IF he gets one more start before the end of the season, it will more than likely be a short 2-3 inning tuneup or more than likely, he’ll do a bullpen and just keep his back rested for the playoffs.

    So I would pitch Hughes 3 with Garcia at the ready.

  38. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    YT-

    Montero’s throwing is not an issue. He has a strong, accurate arm with decent release times.

    What can be an issue is his general slowness behind the plate due to his size.

    That might involve things which require sudden movement, i.e blocking,
    chasing after errant pitches, etc.

  39. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    There should be a lot of concern – and since the Yankees were concerned about how many innings he could pitch, they should have skipped him a few starts. Well, what wasn’t done wasn’t done – and I think Colon is toast. I think Garcia should be a lock………..If we need a 4th starter, then we’ll deal with it then; the options aren’t good.

  40. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Sunny-

    Not me. I want to see Hughes pitch a full game to better assess what he has, and to tune him up, and make sure there are no lingering issues.

    I’m not putting him into playoff competition w/o knowing.

  41. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Hughes said that the inflammation from the herniated disc — which he had operated on in 2004 — might not be completely healed. But he insisted that if he goes out there, he’ll be 100 percent.

    His manager is hoping the same thing.

    “He needs to go through his bullpen session and show that he’s pain-free,” Joe Girardi said. “And that when he wakes up the next day, he’s pain-free. That’s your hope and only time is going to tell with him.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ng_be.html

  42. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Does Goose have to diminsh Mo at every turn? I don’t care about some loser at Fox, but IMO Goose is the Jim Rice of the Yankees – bitter beyond belief. I’m beyond tired of him already.

  43. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 am

    MTU-

    My question basically was- Did Montero show enough defensively last night, to be named BUC for the ALDS and DH especially against lefties?

  44. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Sunny-

    Maybe none but that doesn’t mean it’s a good situation.

    That’s not a preference in my book.

    I wish we had other options.

    Especially someone with experience.

  45. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    It’s kind of like a catch-22… if he rests, you get a better chance of a completely healed back, but you don’t have the opportunity to see what he’s got, but if you throw him in a game, you might make it worse or make him pitch when it wasn’t actually completely healed and he throws poorly because of it.

    I dunno… given our current rotation status, I think gauging his back and using bullpens to determine his back’s health would be the safer way to go so as to not risk losing our potentially third best starter for the DS or later on.

  46. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 am

    I am no fan of Hughes starting but after Garcia, as the 4th starter, I’m not sure we have a choice. Although his back is always going to bear watching and I don’t think he’s pitched as well as people think, I just don’t think you can send Colon out there again. On the other hoand, AJ has better stuff, though, no doubt – so maybe the Yankees send him out there and hope for at least a few good innings – and then take him out the moment he has any problems.

  47. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    YT-

    My answer is it depends on who he’s gonna catch ?

    If it is Burnett. No. If it’s Colon. No problem.

    Anyone who has a tendency to bounce stuff in the dirt and not generally be around the plate might be a potential issue at the moment.

    Hope that answers your question.

    That’s my take.

  48. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Trust me MTU – I am COMPLETELY on your side when it comes to wishing we had other options and feeling that this is a bad situation.

    Not that this would have been a better option, but it’s ironic that Millwood opted out of both the Yankees’ and Red Sox’s minors to pitch in the majors. He would have see daylight had he stayed with either.

  49. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Personally, I think the hope was to ride Colon and Garcia to help get to where they are now, but that Burnett and Hughes would be there in the end. Colon and Garcia were never expected to last to the end, IMO. And one or both of AJ and Phil was supposed to distinguish himself. Whatever they got out of Colon and Garcia was gravy.

    The real problem is AJ and Hughes having their problems, especially AJ, since he was not injured, just ineffective in any way that resembles consistency and dependability.

    Still, if AJ ends up pitching I would not bet against him. Stranger things have happened.

    And though I like Garcia, and he’s a smart, crafty pitcher, the fact of the matter is that he hasn’t been as good in September, and giving up HRs is not a good sign, especially if they draw Texas.

  50. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Sunny-

    No sir. Got to know IMO.

  51. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Garcia a lock??

    September’s 3 starts have been awful. 6 homers out of his season’s total of 16 given up in those starts.

    A very strong outing against Boston this weekend will restore some confidence that he can be #3.

  52. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Betsy-

    I’d rather put you out there than Burnett.

    :)

  53. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    piece meal the pitching for games 3 and possibly 4. use as many of our pitchers as possible saving one long guy for the other game.

    so i would start colon or hughes in game 3 (although it’s looking like hughes may not pitch again) and the very first sign of trouble, start going to the pen. if we need to use 5-6 pitchers to get through game 3, then so be it. i would even start AJ for a game and then pull him as soon as he gets into a bit of trouble (which could be the 2nd or 3rd inning).

    of course all this is contingent on cc and nova going 7 innings (at least)…

  54. sunny615 September 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 am

    With AJ, you have the Girardi thing. He’s always going to wait a pitch or out too long before yanking AJ. Unfortunately, there’s no quick sure sign that AJ is going to implode. No tell. He just does it. And by the time he’s done unraveling, (which is always so fast, no relief pitcher has enough time to warm up properly) the game is already out of hand. That’s what worries me about him. Plus, with all his mechanic’s tweaking lately, who knows what he’s going to give you and for how long.

  55. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 am

    These final few starts would seem to represent final auditions for #3 playoff starter.

    I’m hoping Hughes shows enough.

    Or even Freddy.

    I only use AJ as a last resort and if I am forced to do so. His leash is the length of a Chihuaha’s.

  56. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Yeah, YT, a lock for me. I’m sorry, but I would rather see Garcia out there than AJ or Phil.

  57. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    that’s true sunny but i would have someone getting loose as soon as the 3rd inning starts for AJ. but you’re right, he is a very tough nut to crack.

    going into the playoffs, our main concern is obviously the 3rd and 4th starter…and i would also say nova b/c who knows how he’ll react to the playoffs.

    our secondary concern is that we don’t leave guys at 3rd with less than 2 outs…

  58. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    MTU, our SP situation sucks……….but I would put AJ out there maybe before Phil. The fact that we have to consider either of them for a post-season spot sucks.

  59. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 am

    MTU – colon has faltered for a while, outside of the angels start. same with garcia. hughes would get what, 1 start before the postseason? and we all know about aj.

    girardi will be throwing a dart blindfolded regardless of who he picks.

  60. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Betsy-

    Depends on what they each show in their last start.

    My money is on Hughes. Or at least my hope is there.

  61. pat September 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    AJ had more effective innings in his last start than Colon did last night.

  62. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Im pretty sure Nova would be able to throw a potential Game 5 on regular rest because of the travel days……

    Friday- Sabathia (game 1)
    Saturday – Nova (game 2)
    Sunday – travel
    Monday – Garcia/AJ/Colon/Hughes (Game 3)
    Tuesday- Sabathia (Game 4)
    Wednesday- Travel
    Thursday- Nova ( Game 5)

    I don’t have the schedule in front of me but it seems like I remember it goof like that…..that’s why you pitch CC on 3 days…..because Nova can go.game.5 on regular rest and because it lines CC up for.game one in the next series if they win.

  63. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Dsj-

    Perhaps but the more info. you have the better your chances of getting it right.

  64. Betsy September 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    MTU, if Hughes pitches well, he’s probably going…….but to me they are both the same. It’s not good if they have to start and the pen will be expected to give them plenty of innings. They are likely going to need a long man for that start.

  65. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Still, if AJ ends up pitching I would not bet against him. Stranger things have happened.
    —————————————-
    Villa-

    6.30 ERA away from Home!

    However, he did have 2 quality starts against the Tigers this year and held them to a .190 BAA. No appearances against the Rangers.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....aj-burnett

  66. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Blake-

    ALDS schedule “A” allows for normal rest for you game 1 and 2 starters.

    It is played over an 8 day span.

    The Yankees get to chose the format. I believe they’ll go with the “A” format.

  67. upstate kate September 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    On the bright side, this is the rotation that got the Yankees to the post season. The other teams have question marks as well. Tigers have Verlander, Fister and sometimes Porcello and Scherzer. Red sox have Lester and Beckett. Texas has Wilson, Holland and Ogando.

  68. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    here are the ALDS dates:

    game 1 – fri sep 30
    game 2 – sat oct 1
    game 3 – mon oct 3
    game 4 – tue oct 4
    game 5 – thu oct 6

  69. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    VN-

    Yes. Srange things can happen but do you want to count on them if you have other options ?

    Just because Burnett gave us one great game one time does not exactly give me warm fuzzies that he could do it again.

    Especially the way he has looked lately, and with the year he has had.

    I really don’t want to see him near a mound in the playoffs if at all possible.

  70. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 am

    mtu – i don’t think there’s a schedule “A” anymore – at least not according to MLB.com

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp?y=11

  71. Erin September 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    I didn’t watch much of the game at all last night (hello NBC’s Thursday night lineup), but my first thought watching the first inning was: Champagne Hangovers. ;)

    I am sorry I missed the debuts of the Killer B’s though.

  72. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    sp: strange. sorry.

  73. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Yankee Trader -

    I’m not basing my statement about AJ on any “facts” – just the idea that during the playoffs, strange things seem to happen. :)

  74. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    Thanks……I think in that short series you have to go 3 man.

    AJ pitched fairly well against Texas last year after a terrible season…..Girardi has some.decisions to make and nobody has really distinguished themselves for the 3rd and 4th spots.

  75. disco stu September 23rd, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I think for the ALDS the Yankees are going to use a 3 man rotation – regardless of what the situation is heading into a potential Game 4, I think CC takes the ball on short rest. If it goes to Game 5, I think they are going to roll the dice with Ivan Nova on full rest and justify the decision that he will be pitching at home and it will be “all hands on deck” in case he gets off to a poor start.

    If this is true, then at least for the first round we are only talking about one starting pitcher from Colon, Garcia, Burnett, and Hughes for Game 3.

    I think Colon is shot (the same way Doc Gooden ran out of bullets in the 2nd half in 1996), Garcia is a concern because he doesnt have swing and miss stuff and has been terrible down the stretch, and Hughes has injury concerns – you can’t have him pitch with a bad back even if he says he can gut it out – look what happened to Kevin Brown in Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.

    Believe it or not, I would not be suprised if AJ Burnett gets the nod in Game 3. He is healthy, has swing and miss stuff, and recent post season experience. The Yankees may feel that if AJ can just give them 5 innings they will have a deep enough bullpen to carry them the rest of the way. In the post season you don’t let someone like Burnett get to the point where he impodes – if he is struggling early, then you get him out ASAP. But the thing about AJ is this, so many of his starts this year where you scratch your head are games where he starts off great and loses it in the middle innings … if he holds true to form, then it is not that much of a stretch to think he can pitch into the 5th or 6th inning before the bullpen takes over.

    Remember, he had not pitched in weeks before his Game 4 ALCS start last year and was on the mound in the 6th inning with the lead before it fell apart. Maybe this time, Joe is wiser and won’t allow that to happen and he pulls him early enough where he doesnt give up 5-4 lead or something like that.

  76. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    DSJ-

    I am not sure either but they used it in 09.

    Perhaps it has been changed. I’m not sure.

    I’d like to know one way or the other. It makes a difference.

  77. MG September 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I didn’t see Colon pitch last night but if he’s throwing 89-90 instead of 92-93 then he’s not going to be effective-we’ll find out in his final start of the season.

    Hughes is probably the next choice but his back is clearly an issue. Again, we’ll find out next week.

    Burnett is even more of an enigma now than he’s been his whole career except, instead of it being start to start, it seems to be inning to inning. I’m guessing Girardi and Rothschild are getting tired of the act as well even though they are being publicly supportive.

    Garcia hasn’t pitched well recently and, as others have said, the recent home runs are an issue since earlier in the season he went almost 100 innings without giving one up.

    Having said all of that, though, the Yankees are still the team to beat in the AL. I have no concerns about Nova starting important games in the postseason, he is mature beyond his years and the Yankees only need one of Hughes, Garcia, Colon and Burnett to be better than marginal in order to make it to the WS-they have the best bullpen so if they get to the 6th inning with a lead they are going to win at least 90% of those games.

  78. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Yea so by that schedule….CC would be the only one going on short rest…..nova coukd pitch game 5 on regular rest if it went there.

  79. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Blake-

    I don’t like playing dice with pitching but that’s what it’s lookin’ like.

    Then again the overall character of a short playoff series is kind of a crapshoot.

    So what the heck. We hope for the best.

    ;)

  80. MG September 23rd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    the two ALDS schedules are exactly the same and it allows the game 2 starter to pitch on 4 days rest in game 5:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp

  81. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    MTU-

    djsunyc is right. A can’t find any info that there are 2 different schedules. The schedules are already posted.

  82. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 am

    From Wiki :

    “Beginning in 2007, MLB has implemented a new rule to give the team from the league that wins the All-Star Game with the best regular season record a slightly greater advantage.[1] In order to spread out the Division Series games for broadcast purposes, the two ALDS series follow one of two off-day schedules. Starting in 2007, after consulting the MLBPA, MLB has decided to allow the team with the best record in the league that wins the All-Star Game to choose whether to use the seven-day schedule (1-2-off-3-4-off-5) or the eight-day schedule (1-off-2-off-3-4-off-5). The team only gets to choose the schedule; the opponent is still determined by win-loss records.”

  83. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    MTU -

    Seems to me that there may not BE other options.

    You can turn it any way you like, but there’s CC and Nova and everyone else. And everyone else is good enough so that perhaps you get something good, or questionable enough that maybe you don’t.

    AJ is still capable of tossing enough good innings and then throwing it to the bullpen, which is a strength. Can’t say about Hughes because of the back, but if the back is not a problem it’s the same with him as AJ. Capable of a few good innings and then tossing it to the bullpen.

    As Girardi has been trying to say all along, a lot will depend on who they are facing in round one.

  84. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    YT-

    See my above post. I’m confused on this.

  85. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    i know it’s not going to happen but for discussion sake, would anyone entertain the notion of CC pitching games 2 and 5 instead of games 1 and 4…especially if we face detroit?

  86. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am

    MTU-

    That would be a good question for Chad in today’s chat session.

  87. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    VN-

    I am much more sanguine about it than you.

    I hope the best happens regardless of who we put out there.

    ;)

  88. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 am

    YT-

    Yeah. Please ask it.

    ;)

  89. Erin September 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    YankeesInk Ironic that the Red Sox, who pounded the Yanks all season, limp into the Bronx this weekend desperate for wins. Baseball’s full of lessons.

  90. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Why can’t we just play the Twins for the entire playoffs ?

    :)

  91. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:53 am

    i know it’s not going to happen but for discussion sake, would anyone entertain the notion of CC pitching games 2 and 5 instead of games 1 and 4…especially if we face detroit?
    ————————————–
    No!

  92. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 am

    YT-

    Double no !

  93. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 am

    MTU -

    Then you misunderstand. I think saying AJ can provide a good game in the playoffs, or enough good innings, is a very hopeful and optimistic stance. (Sanguine means hopefully optimisitic, and I definitely am that.)

    You said you wanted more certain options. I’m saying certainty may not exist, but in baseball there is no certainty anyway.

  94. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I think the only thing that worries me about Nova in a game two is that CC isn’t a lock to get a W in game one as everyone expects. Lets not forget in 2009 we had to rely on AJ to keep us in the WS against the Phils because being down to them 0-2 would’ve been a tough mountain to climb (that ones for you MTU).

  95. blake September 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 am

    So is it Lester,.Wakefield, Lackey this weekend?

  96. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Why can’t we just play the Twins for the entire playoffs ?
    ———————————————

    For Garcia, Burnett this weekend this is the playoffs for them!

  97. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Blake-

    I’m seeing TBD vs Nova on Sunday.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/

  98. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
    I think the only thing that worries me about Nova in a game two is that CC isn’t a lock to get a W in game one as everyone expects. Lets not forget in 2009 we had to rely on AJ to keep us in the WS against the Phils because being down to them 0-2 would’ve been a tough mountain to climb (that ones for you MTU).

    —————

    which is why i posed the question of possibly starting CC in game 2 vs. the tigers where we would have the advantage pitching wise (as opposed to game 1 vs. verlander)…

    if CC loses, we *could* get swept…but if we lose game 1, we will still be going into game 2 with alot of confidence…

  99. djsunyc September 23rd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 am
    Blake-

    I’m seeing TBD vs Nova on Sunday.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/

    ————

    they’re waiting to hear back from pedro and clemens…

  100. randy l. September 23rd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    for people like me who like to see the red sox eliminated as soon as possible, it totally sucks that the red sox will likely be given a reprieve and will make the playoffs. this means their chance of winning the whole thing isn’t much different than the yankees ( because the post season really is a crap shoot).

    yes lining up pitching rotation matters by clinching early, but teams can ride the emotion of getting in at the last moment to carry them through a series.

    so, i would very much like to see the yankees sweep the red sox and increase the odds of them not even making it to the postseason.

  101. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    VN-

    My mistake. wrong word. I think the one I was looking for was “circumspect” because I am certainly not optimistic about Burnett in the playoffs.

    And yes, I would like more certainty, and that is what is desirable.

    I want probability on my side.

    Unfortunately, in the pitching realm some of that is not quite where I was hoping it would be.

    Pitching wins championships. I wish ours was more solid and deep going in.

  102. Erin September 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Shame-good point. Although honestly, if they do lose Game 1, Nova (despite his complete lack of postseason experience) is currently the one I’d want to see on the mound in Game 2. The others haven’t exactly been setting the world on fire.

  103. Erin September 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    New Post: Betances and Brackman debut in the Bronx

    :arrow:

  104. Yankee Trader September 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    they’re waiting to hear back from pedro and clemens…
    ——————————————–
    LOL.

    All kidding aside, you just raised a plausible situation. Players who passed thru waivers are still available for trade.

    Is Cashman working the phones to see if he can obtain a starter, with the uncertainty with sho’s their #3?

  105. randy l. September 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    it is ,by the way , a flaw in the baseball system that the yankees really have no better chance at winning the world series than the red sox right now because it’s obvious the yankees are the superior team.

    MLB does this because they think it increase fans.

    they decrease my interest and i think a lot of other people too because i like to see the best teams rewarded.

    the post season would be much more a real contest if there were no days off and series were all long enough that all five starters had to be used.

    the way it is now, two hot starters can get a team through a playoff series.

  106. MTU September 23rd, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Shame-

    You can rely on Burnett all you want to just count me out.

    Nova is a great kid but he has never pitched a single playoff inning.

    The playoffs are a different animal. The pressure is even greater.

    I hope Nova comes thru but it wouldn’t shock me if he didn’t.

    Assuming that because he has shown poise in the regular season that he automatically will suceed in the playoffs is a bit of a stretch for me.

    I hope he continues to amaze.

    ;)

  107. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    MTU -

    I do too. But you gotta make lemonade out of lemons. Let’s see if they can. The Yankees have played solid as a team all year. I think the fact that they’ve gotten contributions from so many different people, that guys have stepped up all year, drives and energizes them. What’s a little rotation uncertainty? ;)

    randy l -

    Would love to sweep the Red Sox. I think it has been silly to call what’s happening to them a total collapse as long as they still have playoff hopes.

  108. Villa Nova-Ya September 23rd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    randy l -

    MLB thinks it’s a strength in the system. :(


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