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Postgame notes: Hughes to the bullpen for the postseason

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Sep 26, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m leaving for the airport in four hours, so I’m going to try to make this quick.

After 14 innings that left the Yankees oh-so-close to a doubleheader sweep, the biggest postgame news involved a player who had nothing to do with either of today’s games.

Joe Girardi announced that Phil Hughes will be moved immediately to the bullpen, and the plan is to leave him there into the postseason.

That’s what we’re going to load at during the playoffs,” Girardi said. “That’s how we’re going to look at him.”

Hughes was informed of the decision in between today’s games. He admitted being disappointed, but also recognized that, because he hasn’t pitched since September 12, the Yankees couldn’t be completely confident that he could be counted on as a starter.

“I did it to myself,” he said. “I had the back issue coming off a good start in Seattle, so therefore I didn’t have an opportunity to pitch. They had to make a decision… I’ve done it before. Just go down there and look to help out any way I can.”

Here’s Hughes talking very briefly about the move to the pen.

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• One of the looming questions throughout tonight’s game was why veterans Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Andruw Jones were never given a chance to pinch hit in key situations. “To me it’s not the right thing to do,” Girardi said. “Their bodies were shutdown since 4 o’clock.” Girardi said he was worried someone might pull something trying to get ready in a hurry, and it wasn’t worth the risk.

• The Yankees rotation against Tampa Bay:

Monday: Hector Noesi
Tuesday: Bartolo Colon
Wednesday: TBA

• Girardi when asked who he’s considering to start Wednesday: “It might be a bullpen day.”

• Girardi was ejected for arguing with first-base umpire Tim McClelland in the 13th inning. McClelland had clearly blown a call at first base, and Nick Swisher — playing first at the time — had gotten into a short argument. “I thought he went at Swish, and I didn’t think that was right,” Girardi said.

• Francisco Cervelli had another concussion test today and was cleared to travel with the team to Tampa. Girardi said he might catch a bullpen this week.

• Austin Romine was hit in the head by a back swing, but he said he’s fine. “I got smacked around a couple of time,” he said. “My head’s fine. I’ve been hit before.”

• Romine on his tag at the plate when Pedroia tried to fly over him: “I’ve never seen anybody try to jump over me before.”

• Girardi on Ivan Nova: “I was pleased with the way he threw the ball tonight.” He really didn’t get into much more detail than that. Neither did Nova, to tell the truth.

• The Yankees fell to 4-11 in extra-inning games this season.

• Forgot to mention after the first game that Brandon Laird was getting a lot of credit for his work at first base in Game 1. “He saved me a couple runs, for sure,” A.J. Burnett said.

• First time through the order against John Lackey, the Yankees went 4-for-7 with two doubles a walk and a strikeout. The went 1-for-13 with two walks and three strikeouts against Lackey the rest of the game. They had just two hits over their final 45 batters.

• At five hours and 11 minutes, this was the Yankees longest game since September 10, 2010 against Texas.

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148 Responses to “Postgame notes: Hughes to the bullpen for the postseason”

  1. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 12:32 am

    i could just hear larussa saying to duncan, ok buddy, its all your game now i just got tossed. do whatever you think is right, im gonna go back to my office and put on some vivaldi. let me know how it all turns out…

  2. sunny615 September 26th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    The offense all probably fell asleep.

  3. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 12:34 am

    I guess Joe wasn’t worried about Jorge pulling something :???:

  4. egk September 26th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Girardi’s an idiot.

  5. sunny615 September 26th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Can’t argue with that.

  6. EliasInNH September 26th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    night, guys.

  7. Captain Clutch September 26th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    If Girardi pulled Nova when he should of in the 6th inning this might of been a W. It was very obvious that Nova hit a wall and all of his pitches were up. Girardi gave the Sox 3 free runs. Girardi played to win, then didn’t play to win and then completely gave up with Proctor. I don’t know why he was saving Ayala for tomorrow. When you make your A guys play 14 innings play to win.

  8. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    To all of you people that called Giradi an idiot or pretend you know more than him.

    A, It’s not worth it to go all out for the rest of the season. We need our players rested.
    B, Joe owns you in baseball managing skill because he got us a WS champion and you gave us nothing except rants and moans.

    C, I’d prefer sox’s pitching compare to rays’ pitching in playoff.

  9. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    jeter and arod not ‘a guys’ are swisher and cano so old they cant play an exta innings game when they likely get tomorrow off?

    why are you freaking over a meaningless game. girardi came into this dh with two things to do, get everyone through the game without any injuries and without overusing the bp. he stuck to that plan and it workd. mission accomplished.

    if you fear the socks in the playoffs, thats fine, but joe obviously thinks getting ready for the PS is more imporatant than trying to influence who makes the playoffs. i say he managed this dh exactly how he should have

  10. egk September 26th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    He’s an idiot. Either play to win the game or don’t. Don’t go half-way and say you’re afraid regulars might pull something if they pinch-hit in a critical situation. Half-assing it all last Sept is why the whole team was in a funk in the playoffs.

  11. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    i meant to pose the question ” are jeter and arod not ‘a’ guys? but messed up

  12. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    egk,how much did you whine when you saw posada’s name in the lineup for the first game?

  13. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Ys Guy. I didn’t whine at all. Why are you whining about me expressing my opinion? Every single move Girardi made in the 2nd game after the 6th was playing to lose. Then he comes up with a lame excuse saying he didnt want the regulars to get hurt. Jones is on the bench too you know? Why not at least use him to pinch-hit?

  14. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    could have should have would have might have, sorry, had to get that out….

  15. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    no i was whining about your idiotic whining, sorry

  16. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    If someone can name one good reason why Scott Proctor is currently on the Yankees roster I’ll buy them dinner.

  17. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    musta killed you loser trolls to hide almost the whole weekend then have to jump in so late on sunday night. but looks like just about all of you made an appearance once they fell behind… cant call you fair weather fans, because you only show up for the foul weather to whine like little girls (and display a similar baseball knowlege)

  18. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:05 am

    Egk,

    Do you know what you are talking about??

    He got us the hfa for all of the AL playoff games as an underdog.

    I’d extend him in the off season.

  19. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Girardi let Romine hit in a crucial spot because he has a soft spot for good defensive catchers who can’t hit. After all, he was one himself.
    If he’s so worried about someone getting hurt, why play them at all? Just let them sit out the rest of the season and only play the AAA guys. That would probably suit you just fine.

  20. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Proctor is on the staff so Girardi can use him in situations he has no business pitching in.

  21. waka flocka September 26th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Jesus shut up. They’re practically gift wrapping Tampa two wins starting Noesi against Shields and TBA/the bullpen against Price. He started a couple of regulars so they could get some ABs. Stop whining, the season is literally over. These games are meaningless

  22. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:10 am

    LGY,

    You beat me. I can’t name any reason why Proctor is here. Joe Torre really ruin his career. Maybe Cash feel guilty about it and gave him a job? Bur he should be an observer unless we are losing 0:10 and need some thrower for garbage time.

  23. pat September 26th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    If the thought of the Sox getting in by 1 game is causing you angst, tonight wasn’t that game. It was one of the 5 the Yankees lost to the Sox in April and May that was the problem.

    Proctor is on the roster to eat innings. Where we going for dinner?

  24. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    egk what are you talking about? first you complain that he made people play 14 innings, then yiou want him to ph for the catcher so that martin would have to come back in and play his second meaningless game of the day? or shoud they have given up the dh or caught posada? you know you would have jumped all over him had he done any of those things. given the choices, he made the right call as he almost always does. he’s thinking alot deeper about the game and the team than you ever will.

    and btw, hate him all you want he’s getting a nice 3 year extension after this season, so there’s plenty of time for you to hate on him….

  25. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Waka,

    You are spot on!

    All Joe need to do now is give the regulars some at bat to keep them in game shape.
    The remaining season are meaningless.

  26. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Proctor is on the roster to eat innings. Where we going for dinner?

    ——

    I’m sorry but you can’t be serious. Why do the Yankees need Scott Proctor to eat innings when they have an expanded roster and a zillion arms out in the bullpen on any given night?

  27. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Girardi will cost the Yankees at least a game in the playoffs. These players win despite him and his micro-managing from the binder.

  28. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    4/7 of Proctor’s appearances with the Yankees have come when the run margin was two or less.

    He has pitched meaningful innings for the most part.

    Why?

  29. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    proctor was a flyer, a guy with mlb experience who might help more than the minor leaguers if the pennant race got hot and heavy. it didnt so adding him was meaningless and having him still on the roster just a convenience you could use if you wanted to. tonight girardi was making sure not to use any bp arms for more than 3 or 4 batters, so it was him or the minor leaguers. now im sure all the sunday night qb’s will say that kontos was a sure bet or that betances could have done better, but actually proctor was probably the right choice. you could argue ayala but joe was being extra cautios to make sure he had a guy for tomorrow.

    thats quality major league managing . and he is going to win the manager of the year btw.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am
    If someone can name one good reason why Scott Proctor is currently on the Yankees roster I’ll buy them dinner.
    ///

    Tell me about it. Six hours later, I see the BP door swing open and I say, it’s Proctor. He’s the one guy they can really tee off on. After making them play 14 innings, Girardi might have at least upgraded to Ayala, who is better by default.

    I also don’t really care who wins the WC, but it would have been nice if Andruw could have pinch hit for say, Romine or for Gardner, when he was facing a lefty throwing 96 mph. Last I looked, Andruw was not a regular regular. I don’t think a pinch hit appearance would have.

    A little disheartening when you have guys on but you know certain guys coming to the plate are really not going to have much chance to do anything. I was snickering after the second game when Red Sox fans in the building were whooping it up over their A Team having escaped within an inch of its life to outlast Scranton. I get breathing a sigh of relief, but gaudy displays of celebration were pretty inappropriate, but I suppose that’s what one has come to expect from the Newbury Street Gang.

    First game was a pleasure. At full strength, no one comes close to our lineup.

  31. jacksquat September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 am

    So I take it Hughes was moved to the bullpen, but not for today? I still don’t get how the team’s two MVP candidates can go 14 but A-Rod, Jeter or Smiley can’t pinch hit.

    Oh well, Girardi is alwasy full of… contradictions.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:25 am

    would have sent him to the hospital…or something…I am THAT tired…

  33. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    egk im still waiting to hear what you were going to do after you ph for romine. bring martin back in, give up the dh and put montero back there, bring po back for a second game?

  34. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    LGY, I thought my post at 1:10am gave a valid reason why he is here. I am in Taiwan. Fly over and buy me dinner lol. And Cano is coming with I-Rod, Philly’s Victorino and some other stars to play friendly game with Taiwanese all stars(CMW and Dodger’s Kuo included)

    So how about you fly over and I will pay for the dinner and the game? :P

  35. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:29 am

    Y’s guy

    Proctor had a 6.44 Era with Atlanta. The person in the Yankees front office who thought he was a suitable flyer candidate should have his head examined.

    Prufrock

    I’m sorry you had to witness that in person. I was a click away from buying a pair of last minute tickets but decided against it. Very happy about that decision now.

  36. 4 NYY September 26th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    If someone can name one good reason why Scott Proctor is currently on the Yankees roster I’ll buy them dinner.
    ==============================================

    And I’m hungry too ! Thinkin’, thinkin’, thinkin’, nope, I can’t !

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    There’s no reason for Proctor to be here. It’s insane and immoral to make Cano, Granderson, Swisher and Gardner play nearly two games’ worth of innings and then throw a lit match on them.

    Girardi and Cashman need their heads examined. The guy being on this team is someone’s idea of a very sick joke. One that is not remotely funny.

  38. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    Ys Guy . Either put Posada back there or Montero. Posada would be the first choice. Posada did catch recently or did you miss that? Of course I’ve thought it was stupid all season long not to allow Posada to catch it all. They should have kept him ready if needed.

    If one of the regulars got a hit, which was a lot more likely than Romine, the game was over.

    Check the Yankees record in extra inning games and tell me what a bang up job Girardi has done in them. This team wins despite him and his managing by binder.

  39. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Vitus

    Lol. I’ll keep that in mind when I’m deciding where to go on vacation :D

  40. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    I knew as soon as I saw Proctor warming up that I should leave the Stadium, but I sat there anyway enduring the predictable implosion from BP Scott. He should not be on the team. Period.

    We should have swept Boston; I don’t buy into Girardi’s lame excuses for not pinch hitting in a couple of critical situations. Most notably with Romine up with the bases loaded. SMFH.

  41. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:32 am

    immoral?!?! you have gone completely off the rails…

  42. I Am Winning September 26th, 2011 at 1:32 am

    egk,

    Other than yourself, which current ML manager do you agree with 100%?

    Baseball is a great game because at any given time you can have 5+ different options. 1 of those might work out, none of them, or all of them. If the manager, at any point in time, doesn’t make the lucky “correct” call, than you’re a better manager than him, that’s pure sh*t.

    It’s funny, because the Yankees (arguably of course) are the best team in the league, and 2nd (arguably again) in the majors behind the Phills. So common knowledge will tell you that unless the Yankees play the Phillies, than they should be 162-0. Right?

    WRONG!

    This is BASEBALL. It’s a game of lots of failures. It’s meant to raise blood pressure, increase cholesterol, and give people heart attacks. If you’re too faint of heart, than go watch Curling.

    Debating whether Girardi has made the correct decision is one thing, if it’s done every once in a while. But it’s tiresome to have to read all of the posts about how EVERY decision in EVERY losing game makes him a TERRIBLE manager. Girardi isn’t perfect, he has made mistakes, and he will continue to make mistakes in the future, but regardless, he has been an excellent manager.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:32 am

    should have his head examined.
    ///

    haha! We both went there!

    I was tired and livid when he came strolling into the game. There was no suspense, even before he threw a pitch. I turned to my wife, “this game is over.”

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    Prufrock

    I’m sorry you had to witness that in person. I was a click away from buying a pair of last minute tickets but decided against it. Very happy about that decision now.
    ///

    Good decision. Although the first game was worth the suffering of the second for me. Glad the stupid Red Sox and their tragi-comedy have hit the road.

  45. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    sure, you and all of the other second guessers would have been fine with posada going in behind the plate after playing a game then sitting for what 4 hours…im buying that…

  46. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    there is no intelligent life here, lata…

  47. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    haha! We both went there!

    —–

    :lol:

    It really is bizarre. I don’t understand.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:32 am
    immoral?!?! you have gone completely off the rails…
    ////

    Of course I’m off the rails! I actually thought I was investing six hours of my life in a game the manager was interested in winning! Silly me.

  49. egk September 26th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    I Am Winning. I think Girardi is a pretty bad manager even in wins. I just said this team wins despite him not because of anything he does. Actually, I used to think he was pretty decent at handling the bullpen and keeping guys fresh. But then we have things like this Proctor situation.
    Girardi was quoted befoe these games saying he was playing to win and keeping the pedal down. What happened to that? Suddenly it’s “oh, I was afraid one of the regulars might get hurt pinch hitting” That’s just a laughable excuse.
    Like I said, do one or the other but don’t say one thing then do the other or half-ass it.

  50. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    j alfred, one look at the standings would have made it crystal clear that winning today’s games was not and should not have been a primary objective. he was interested in doing exactly what he did, resting people, not having any key people play in both games and using the bullpen in a way that didnt stress them out.

    mission accomplished.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    It really is bizarre. I don’t understand.
    ////

    There was a general groan in my section when No. 41 trotted in from the pen. I think everyone knew what was going to happen next….

  52. Nick in SF September 26th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    It’s a trick challenge. I think about Proctor and I lose my appetite. :mad:

    But I’ll take that trip to Taiwan, the Heart of Asia.

  53. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:39 am

    LGY, cool! There will be a few games in early November. A few days after we take home our WS trophy.

    :)

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Ys Guy, there’s a difference between not compromising your team’s larger picture and willfully giving away a game.

    Scott Proctor’s entrance into that game meant it was over. He might have brought him in earlier and given Cano, Grandy, Gardy and Swish more of a rest, because they effectively played two games anyway, and all for naught.

  55. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    LOL Nick. I guess our commercials in the state did work!

  56. RYUKINGDOM September 26th, 2011 at 1:43 am

    Proctor pitching for the Yankees this year: 7.1 innings and 4 homers allowed and a WHIP of: 3.0. I will go with any other minor league guy. Proctor should be dropped.

  57. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:44 am

    thats ridiculous. like using betances, kontos or any of the other minor leaguers was a surer thing than using proctor. you may not agree that saving ayala for tommorrow was the way to go, but he made that decision way before putting proctor in. so given that, you cant argue that the minor leaguers were more likely to succeed than proctor. and on top of that, IT STILL DIDNT MATTER.

  58. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:44 am

    If you told me in ST that Scott Proctor would find his way onto the Yankees roster I would have said you’re nuts.

    If you told me he’d be pitching the 14th inning in a must win game for the Sox I would have had you commited to Bellevue.

  59. Nick in SF September 26th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Maybe a sunrise in Alishan would help me forget about Scott Proctor.

    Or a bowl of dumpling soup in Hualien.

  60. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    lgy i didnt see the predictions trisha posted today from st. how many games did you predict? ill look it up tomorrow

  61. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    btw, i had 97

  62. I Am Winning September 26th, 2011 at 1:48 am

    My main point is this. Proctor is terrible. I do not want him on the team, at all. HOWEVER, Girardi put Laffey in the game. I told a co-worker that we lost the game when he came in, and we didn’t he did a great job in the 2 innings he pitched. Laffey has had some pretty bad numbers this year, but he still pitched him ahead of Proctor, and that’s because he thinks he’s better, which he’s right. Everyone agrees. It’s the 14th inning, his arms are very limited at that point. Not only that, but they played a total of 22 innings today, that’s hard on a pitching staff.

    Now, Romine and Pena are awful with the bat, if it were up to me, they wouldn’t be up right now. However, they are up, and we need a bench players. Again, the team played 22 innings today, the choices are a lot more limited.

    I absolutely believe Girardi when he says he doesn’t want any of the players to get hurt. Why would he lie? If that was a lie, than what is the real excuse? He WANTS the Red Sox to win and the Yankees to have a loss? Of course not. Now, I’m not saying his point is VALID, but people here are calling bullsh*t, and it isn’t. I seriously think he’s paranoid that another player, which we should all be, would land on the DL. It feels like 2 dozen starts have been hurt at one point in time during this season.

  63. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Y’s guy

    97 as well.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:44 am
    thats ridiculous. like using betances, kontos or any of the other minor leaguers was a surer thing than using proctor. you may not agree that saving ayala for tommorrow was the way to go, but he made that decision way before putting proctor in. so given that, you cant argue that the minor leaguers were more likely to succeed than proctor. and on top of that, IT STILL DIDNT MATTER.
    ///

    I don’t know if this is just generally directed at the community, but the question that hangs in the air is what LGY asked: what is Proctor doing on this team in the first place?? Why has someone put him in a position to enter a close game in extra innings and squash it?

    That’s the question that is worth asking.

  65. I Am Winning September 26th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    23 innings.*

  66. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    Proctor shouldn’t be on the team in the first place.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:50 am

    yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 1:49 am
    Proctor shouldn’t be on the team in the first place.
    ///

    Ya think??

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    Romine is not awful, he’s green. He’s a much better hitter than Pena. Not even close.

  69. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:54 am

    JAP:

    I hate the result of the 2nd game as much as you do. But I am lucky that I missed the game due to work(Monday morning during game time)

    Proctor was a key piece of our bullpen and how Torre ruin his career to try to regain his glory. Let’s just think that we will not see him in the post season and next year. And the game didn’t hurt our standing at all so I am cool with it. And we don’t owe him anything from now on.

  70. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 1:55 am

    proctor has cost this team nothing, and they won the division, so who cares about him. he’s as important to this team as gustavo molina was. it all comes down to people really really wanting to see the red socks lose. but girardi doesnt get paid to do everything possible to make the red socks lose, he gets paid to put the team in the best position possible to win in the PS and his moves today were true to that goal.

  71. I Am Winning September 26th, 2011 at 1:56 am

    At this point in time in his career I consider the guy awful. Now, whether that changes next year is yet to be seen, but my main point was based on the argument that Posada should have pinch hit for him. I will take Posada against any pitcher over Romine, as would the majority of people, I assume.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    By the way, it was revolting listening to Sux fans chant “MVP” at Ellsbury.

    It’s a good thing I’m generally peaceful. Because there was a group of shrill Sux people giddying it up whom I could have slapped around if I were just a little bit off ;).

  73. RadioKev September 26th, 2011 at 1:57 am

    The idiots have swarmed out from the darkness to complain about a double header split, after a series win, after an division and home field advantage clinch.

    Every loss is the worst loss in franchise history, yeah, we get it.

  74. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:00 am

    radio, you cant blame them they had to hide in solitude since friday morning because there was nothing to whine about till about 10 o’clock tonight. they’ve gotta get a whole weekend of whining in and its not easy on a weekend when you’ve won the division and the hfa and their favorite whipping boy posada was one of the heroes.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    vitus September 26th, 2011 at 1:54 am
    JAP:

    I hate the result of the 2nd game as much as you do. But I am lucky that I missed the game due to work(Monday morning during game time)

    Proctor was a key piece of our bullpen and how Torre ruin his career to try to regain his glory. Let’s just think that we will not see him in the post season and next year. And the game didn’t hurt our standing at all so I am cool with it. And we don’t owe him anything from now on.
    ///

    vitus, the game result is secondary, really.

    It’s the principle. The guy is old and shot. What’s he doing on the Yankees.

  76. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Ellsbury is insane this year. I hope it’s just a fluke. He never hit over 10 homer in his career. If I am them, I will sell him this off season for some key prospects.

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:00 am
    radio, you cant blame them they had to hide in solitude since friday morning because there was nothing to whine about till about 10 o’clock tonight. they’ve gotta get a whole weekend of whining in and its not easy on a weekend when you’ve won the division and the hfa and their favorite whipping boy posada was one of the heroes.
    ///

    Are you directing this at me?

  78. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 am

    The “idiot” is the person who refers to others who disagree with him as “idiots.” Classy.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:03 am

    RadioKev September 26th, 2011 at 1:57 am
    The idiots have swarmed out from the darkness to complain about a double header split, after a series win, after an division and home field advantage clinch.

    Every loss is the worst loss in franchise history, yeah, we get it.
    ////

    Idiots?

  80. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 2:04 am

    JAP,

    Point taken. He shouldn’t be here.

  81. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 am

    no actually j alf, i dont normall consider you a whiner, but tonight you are right there… sorry you had to watch them lose, but on the scale of where the team is and what was going on at the time, proctor wass the right choice imo. i agree with him about saving ayala for tomorrow and that left proctor as the only major leaguer left.

    now if you want to complain about why he’s on the team, take that up with cashman, the manager doesnt decide who they pick up, he just has to deal with the guys he’s got in uniform.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 am

    I Am Winning September 26th, 2011 at 1:56 am
    At this point in time in his career I consider the guy awful. Now, whether that changes next year is yet to be seen, but my main point was based on the argument that Posada should have pinch hit for him. I will take Posada against any pitcher over Romine, as would the majority of people, I assume.
    ////

    He was overmatched. That was clear to anyone watching. He’s a promising hitter. I think I mentioned earlier that he might have been pinch hit for – he or Gardner.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:08 am

    now if you want to complain about why he’s on the team, take that up with cashman, the manager doesnt decide who they pick up, he just has to deal with the guys he’s got in uniform.
    ///

    Well, I’m not going to take it up with Brian Cashman. But I do think it’s probably okay if I express my dismay on a Yankee board that he is on the team, no?

  84. Bayareanyy September 26th, 2011 at 2:09 am

    The Yankees took 2 of 3 from the Red Sox and went 6-2 on this final homestand.

    I only wish they could have won tonight in extra innings. They don’t seem to have that knack for winning the extras at home. There have been few walk-off wins compared to 2009.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock September 26th, 2011 at 2:12 am

    vitus September 26th, 2011 at 2:04 am
    JAP,

    Point taken. He shouldn’t be here.
    ///

    Agreed! :D.

    Goodnight folks.

  86. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    sorry winning 2 of 3 meaningless games is not good enough! winning the division isnt either! HFA? sorry not gonna cut it!

    163-0 is all that is acceptable and then only till the ps starts!

  87. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:06 am
    …proctor wass the right choice imo. i agree with him about saving ayala for tomorrow and that left *proctor as the only major leaguer left.*
    ______
    Right there is where you err. Proctor isn’t a major leaguer.

  88. m September 26th, 2011 at 2:15 am

    All of baseball will be watching the O’s/Sox series. Let’s hope the O’s can put the noose back on the Sox right away.

  89. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:17 am

    proctor’s got more PS appearances than kontos/betances and brackman have regular season appearances combined.

  90. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 2:21 am

    Ys Guy, did you ever consider that if Proctor weren’t on the team, someone other than him and the above players you mentioned would be in the bullpen? Proctor has been nothing but awful. There is no reason for him to be on this team in the first place. If you don’t want to address that issue fine, but it is a relevant topic of discussion. Have a good night.

  91. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:22 am

    actually that is slightly incorrect, i didnt realize kontos has a big 5 appearences, tying him with proctor’s PS record. brackman and betances have 1 apperence each.

  92. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:24 am

    yf did you ever consider that this was a meaningless game? who cares if proctor lost it or if kontos did? neither is going to be on the PS roster.

  93. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:27 am

    i would have been fine with them running wade boggs out there to toss his knucklers and lose, it means nothing.

  94. egk September 26th, 2011 at 2:31 am

    How’s Girardi’s 6 man rotation worked out, Ys Guy? CC hasn’t pitched well since he started it. While at the same time he leaves him out there for over 120 pitches. I just hope the big guy can turn it back on again for the playoffs. All because Joe’s binder couldn’t make a decision on AJ and Hughes.

  95. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:34 am

    egk, nice you got to whine about underusing and overusing cc in the same sentence. thats gotta be up for whine of the day!

  96. vitus September 26th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    Egk, you are unbelievable! binder, idiot and what’s next?

    Giradi is a nice manager and you are far from it.
    It’s not like we are fighting for our wild card spot and he lost us a critical game.

  97. egk September 26th, 2011 at 2:42 am

    Uhh, Ys Guy, that’s what Girardi does. Talks about resting him in a 6 man rotation than routinely leaves him out for over 120 pitches or brings him back in after a couple of rain delays. Tell me how CC has been pitching lately under that strategy?

  98. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:46 am

    what is with this irrational fear of facts. girardi has a binder with data. he looks at it to make sure he has the pertinent information to make a decision. why are so many of these whiners so hung up on the manager checking the data before making a decision. they seem to think he opens the binder and it says “put proctor in” and he does it

    i want my manager as informed as possible when he makes a decision, but why do so many fear information so much?

  99. egk September 26th, 2011 at 2:51 am

    Ys Guy. Aren’t you gonna tell me how great CC has been in this 6 man rotation? Mess with your ace’s routine all because you can’t make a decision on AJ or Hughes? Oh, yeah. Just brilliant. Let’s not even get in to Girardi’s penchant for giving up outs with silly sacrifice bunts.

  100. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 2:53 am

    well, egk, we’ll just have to bumble through with division championships and the occasional world series ring until the yankees get a clue and hire you as manager.

    dont know how we’ve made it this long…you were sure to win 163 this season.

  101. 108 stitches September 26th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    The Yankees will be tired from arriving in Tampa so late and might be a little listless for the 1st Rays game which the Rays won’t mind.
    On the flip side, Boston didn’t get to Baltimore until the wee hours and their key relievers were used up. There’s still a Wild Card race to be decided.

  102. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    now you’re whining about Sabathia? You should change your name to EKG.

    Sabathia made one less start than in each of the last two seasons and pitched the same amount of innings. With the amount of rainouts this year, the pitching schedules were going to be screwed up no matter how it was done.

  103. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    The Sox have to be tired heading to baltimore…..their main guys played 23 innings yesterday and their pen was all used……

    This morning…..instead of the talk being about the Sox being dead……it’s about whether the Sox have “new life” and if winning a 14 inning game against SWB will then their season around.

    The Yanks had multiple chances to win the game before the white flag (proctor ) ever saw the mound…..stinks that they didn’t close the deal because they were so close…..Boston would have been finished if they lost that game last night.

    We mostly knew this decision was coming with Hughes ….I was hoping he’d get another start but now they can use this Rays series to transition him……he should be able to help out there.

  104. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:25 am

    better yet, change your name to EEG. Clearly, your brain is not functioning. Straightline.

  105. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Its still a 1 game lead with 3 to play……im kinda hoping for a tie so they have to play a sudden death game on Thursday

    Sox have Beckett going tonight but……its with a likely very thin pen and tired club behind him.

  106. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    If there had been a guarentee that one of Rodriguez or jeter were going to get a hit while pinch hitting, maybe there’s an argument. Every time there were runners on base, it came with 2 outs. If they don’t get hits, that puts them back on the field after a 8-9 hour layoff.

  107. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Wonder how many pitches Noesi is good for tonight? 60 or so likely….

  108. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    I don’t have a problem with Jeter or Alex not pinch hitting really…..Jonesy was available though so I may have let him swing at some point.

    You really have to balance what’s important in a game that means nothing to you…..they Yanks had already locked up everything they can in the regular season……my issue was after playing 14 innings why you let Proctor decide it….Ayala, Brackman, etc…..were all out there……

  109. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Some news on John Lackey.

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/26/.....wild-card/

  110. RayVT September 26th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    It is a good thing they kept that Montero kid in AAA all year as I guess he has shown he wasn’t ready for the show! Some things are hard to understand.

  111. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Somebody needs to be fresh to help in the bullpen tonight. Bad enough that they will need to throw Brackman and Betances out there tonight. Noesi will get about 80-85 pitches, I’d think. He was scheduled for 60 or so pitches in his last game.

  112. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Morning, Ray. I think the reason for Montero to stay at Scranton was more to work a little more on his defense than on his offense. Romine will get the Scranton job next year to work on his offense more. His defense has really sharpened up this year. His biggest problem was trying to eliminate that catcher’s interference calls. He was getting between 5 and 10 a year until this year, Very few throwing errors.

  113. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Good morning Blake and GB-

    From NY Post – “Joe Girardi said that as of now, if Phil Hughes is on the Yankees’ postseason roster, he’ll be in the bullpen.

    The key word-if. I’m sure he’ll be on the ALDS roster if he’s healthy.

    Proctor won’t be!!! I’ve said this before-Never trade for or sign a pitcher that the Braves don’t want, unless his name is Mike Stanton. :)

  114. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Romine’s looks really strong defensively ……to go straight from AA to the bigs and look as polished as he has is quite impressive.

    You could say the same about Montero’s bat……who looks just incredibly dangerous at the plate……if he doesn’t chase slop there is nowhere to pitch the kid. He has the same sort of knack for finding the barrel as Cano…..but seems to have better pitch recognition at the same age.

  115. Against All Odds September 26th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    @ GB That’s sad news

  116. blake September 26th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Morning Trader,

    Yup thats what it sounds like…..kinda figured

  117. RadioKev September 26th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    In retrospect my wording was harsh last night. I’m sorry about that, my judgement wasn’t great at 2AM.

    Let’s put it this way: Even the 2001 Mariners lost 46 games. That’s a month and a half of losing. Most great teams have enough loses to fill up two months of the year.

    Just a little perspective. Losing the night game of a double header in extra innings when you’ve clinched the division and home field advantage isn’t worth being upset over.

  118. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    Good morning all-

    GB- The attached article on Lackluss shows what a “stand-up” guy he is……NOT.
    “It’s unclear why Lackey — who’s struggled on the field all season long — didn’t wait til the off-season, about a month from now, to start divorce proceedings.”

  119. 86w183 September 26th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Actually if all goes well Lackey’s off-season could begin Thursday.

    I don’t expect the Yanks to win more than one game in Tampa…. they might not want to throw any of the big three out of the bullpen today, though Soriano threw the fewest pitches.

    Was stunned by the crap Bondy wrote this morning about the Yanks possibly regretting letting the Red Sawx win last night. What nonsense!

    You could make the same (and more intelligent) point that it’s a mistake to help the Rays, with much better starting pitching advance to the post-season.

    Talk about going out of your way to write something negative for no reason whatsoever.

  120. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Tigers 3 games in Cleveland
    Rangers 3 games in Anaheim
    Boston 3 games in Baltimore.

    From a Rangers or Tigers perspective, who do you think they’d rather play-Boston/Rays or Yankees?

  121. Betsy September 26th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Nice explanation from Joe – I hate when he does this. He doesn’t explain WHY, he just says ” this is what we’re going to do”. Great………If it’s about his back, then why not say it? It can’t be because he was outpitched by AJ. If it’s because he had pen experience and AJ didn’t, well that’s a BS reason. AJ would have been a long man type and that’s what Phil will likely be as well – or at least someone with very low leverage innings, so low that I’m sorry, I don’t think previous experience counts.

    They won’t even give Phil one more start? I’m no fan to be sure and this year was mostly a total waste, but while I do not think he’d pitched that well despite his #s, he still was better than AJ.

    I suspect the decision was made because of AJ’s contract and because AJ has much better stuff at this point, even if he’s not necessarily a better pitcher

  122. 86w183 September 26th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    You gotta want the home field more than a specific match up.

    That said, Texas’ potential three lefty rotation is Boston’s worst nightmate

    Texas is a game up

  123. upstate kate September 26th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    I think Girardi is an evil genius. Instead of a simple win or loss, he made the red sox blow thru their BP. Paps pitched more than 2 innings, he and others wont be available. Meanwhile Girardi managed his BP carefully. I agree that sending Proctor in was waving the white flag, but we know he wont be sniffing the PS.

  124. Betsy September 26th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    As to the game, I’m sorry, I don’t care that Proctor was in and I’m not going to get on Joe. They did their job this series – I would have loved to have won, but eh, so be it.

  125. Betsy September 26th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    and the Yankees are not getting enough credit for this homestand, instead people are harping on one dumb game

  126. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I think Girardi is an evil genius.
    ——————————
    Kate- LOL.

    If Boston is to win tonight with Beckett pitching, he’ll probably need to go 6 or 7 to rest the bullpen arms. If Boston gets the wild card, will Beckett go on 3 days rest?

  127. Erin September 26th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Wow-little surprised at all of the complaining. People do realize that game meant absolutely nothing, right? ;)

    kate-great post @ 8:15

  128. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    trader, it depends on whether they need lester on wednesday. if not, they can just start lester on 5 days rest in game 1 then beckett in regular rest in game 2. if it goes to a playoff game or even if it goes late into wednesday night’s game, they may need to go to beckett out of the bp.

  129. Erin September 26th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Gossip Break-

    http://tiny.cc/m4w4z

  130. JimK September 26th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    The more pressing problems with the Yankees are the fact that are terrible in close games including a 4-11 record in extra inning games. Additionally, Nova, where previously, the Yankees had not lost a game where he had the lead have now lost two of his last three starts in which he was given a lead.
    On a positive note the Yankees appear heading to the playoffs on a winning note, yet even here this may be meaningless. The 98 Yankees, after clinching, played the last month of the season as if they were sleepwalking yet were able to turn it on during the playoffs and win the WS. In the playoffs any team can get hot and it would have been nice to see the Yankees put another nail in the RS coffin for this season.
    As far as Girardi’s managing skills; his record speaks for itself. Tex has had a subpar season at the bat and ARob was lost for most of the season. The SP had one number reliable SP and 5 pitchers who were not even considered number 5 pitchers, although Nova despite his recent “problems” has cemented himself as the number 2 pitcher.
    Having said that “what the hell was Proctor doing in the game?”

  131. blake September 26th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I think the decision on Hughes was made because he hasn’t pitched in 2 weeks……so rather than start him again they’ll likely take the Rays series as an opportunity to get him a couple of appearances out of the pen to transition him. I would expect to see him today and maybe Wednesday as well.

    My Braves have collapsed royally……their fate may be tied to how hard the Phillies want to play in this series……the Cardinals are playing the Astros and could easily sweep them.

  132. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    the only thing that would have given the red socks real life coming out of last night would have been if girardi emptied the bench, ph arod and jeter and pushed hard with the bp to win that game, then they would have something to work off. instead it took everything they had to beat a bunch of aa and aaa players in a long extra innings game and they had to blow their bp just to do that.

  133. Erin September 26th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Having said that “what the hell was Proctor doing in the game?”

    *******************

    Because they just wanted to get on the plane to Florida already??? :P

  134. blake September 26th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    If the Yankees and Sox both make it to the ALCS……I say bring it on and I like our chances.

  135. RayVT September 26th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Good Morning GB! I was stating that about Montero because so many said he wasn’t ready or Yanks were trying to keep his trade value up by not bringing him up. I eben had a friend, (Yankee Fan too), who said Montero perhaps was over his head a bit when he slumped to .265 BA. Now he sees the light after the last 3 games Montero played currently at .357 & every AB is fun to watch.

  136. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    blake, r u ready to concede our disagreement over the phillies and braves that we started in ST?

    i think i won that one….

  137. pat September 26th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    LGY

    Because some of the shiny new toys may have approached/approaching pitch limits or use scenarios and might be sitting in the pen for the experience of it more than to be used.

    They (hopefully) have futures in the majors so they might prefer they be used in pre-planned and somewhat controlled situations. That requires some restraint on the part of management and ownership that some in the fanbase might not be capable of.

    Proctor on the other hand is the beater car you don’t mind leaving in the airport parking lot for a week in a snow storm.

    You may not like the answer but something close to that is probably what the answer is.

  138. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Thanks Ys Guy.

    Ayala, Wade, Logan, Soriano, Robertson, Rivera

    Sabathia, Nova, Garcia, Burnett, Colon

    If the Yankees go with an 11 man pitching staff in the 1st round is this it?
    If Hughes is 100% who does he replace?
    What if Noesi pitches a gem tonight against the Rays, would he make it? Over which pitcher?

    Should the Yankees just go with 12 pitchers, if Noesi, Hughes, and Colon look good, picking one of them as the long man out of the bullpen?

  139. Yankee Trader September 26th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Ys Guy and Blake

    Matchups for Phillies playing in Atlanta:
    Lee vs Delgado
    Oswalt vs. Lowe
    TBD vs Hudson

    I hope the Braves pull this one out and get to the WS playing the Yankees, before they get a drubbing! :)

  140. blake September 26th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Ys,

    I never said the Braves would win the division this year…..I said I thought the Braves coukd give them a run for it……which may have happened if half their rotation didn’t get hurt……if Heyward didn’t have a terrible season…..and if the Phillies hadn’t traded for Pence…..also at the time Utley’s status was on question.

    I still feel like the Braves will be better than them a couple of years from now…….but I never said they would win the division this year….only that I thought they COULD make it interesting.

  141. RayVT September 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Betsy September 26th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Years ago the Wash Redskins had 2 QBs (Billy Kilmer & Sonny Jurgenson) with one (Sonny) being much better than the other. When asked why Kilmer was the starting QB, the coach responded with well if Billy fails we can bring in Sonny! Not sure if it would work out the other way!

    So with the Yanks if Phil started & they had to bring in AJ to put out the fire, well maybe it might not work out. But if Phil came in after AJ, well you get my drift!

  142. pat September 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    RE: the TMZ posting about Lackey

    He went off on the media postgame about how someone got his phone number and texted him just prior to his start. The writers around his locker were confused about what he was ranting about because no one knew about this mystery text.

    Guess the mystery is solved.

  143. Ys Guy September 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    i dont care if the socks win or lose in baltimore other than i want to see a playoff game. but what i am really hoping for is EXTRA INNINGS, ace pitching 3 innings every game, paps working every day and losing it, beckett having to come out of the bp and general mayhem and craziness.

  144. blake September 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Braves have to win 2the of 3 and hope that Houston can win a game….

  145. Erin September 26th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    New Post: Posada not completely forgotten

    :arrow:

  146. PittsburghYankeeFan September 26th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Get over it. We Yankee fans are being too greedy. Sure, a sweep would have been nice. The Sox still have to play 3 in Baltimore, with Beckett (either gone or worrying about his new baby), Bedard, and TBA.

    Likely scenario is a tie, with the game being played Thursday in Tampa (Price vs Lester). A preview of what is going to happen with the new format of the WC next year–kind of interesting to watch.

    Then the exhausted team will have to play Texas or Detroit. If they can make it through that, they deserve it.

  147. filthy slider September 26th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    As usual, pant load, Tim McClelland continues to show his anti Yankee bias every chance he gets. He has had it in for the Yanks ever since George had his ass burned by the league,for
    bad umpiring by the way.
    When an ump is this bad this often how can he not be suspended. Managers, coaches & players get suspended for bad behavior why not a jerk like Tim McClelland. This guy is a disgrace to baseball.

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