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Pregame notes: Explaining a wild card tie

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 26, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Not directly connected to the Yankees, but people have asked about this scenario and Major League Baseball just sent a press release explaining what would happen if there were a three-way tie for the American League wild card.

If the Boston Red Sox, the Tampa Bay Rays and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim finish in a three-way tie for the Wild Card, then two games will be played in the first two days after the regular season. The games will be played according to designations based on the head-to-head three-way records among the tied clubs:

• The Rays went 12-6 against the Red Sox and 4-4 against the Angels. Combined: 16-10 (.615).
• The Red Sox went 6-12 against the Rays and 6-2 against the Angels. Combined: 12-14 (.462).
• The Angels went 4-4 against the Rays and 2-6 against the Red Sox. Combined: 6-10 (.375).

The designations dictate that:
• Club A would host Club B on Thursday, September 29th.
• Club C would play at the winner of the A vs. B game on Friday, September 30th.

Because the Rays held the best head-to-head record among the three tied clubs, the Rays received the first choice of designation and the Red Sox had the second choice. If such a scenario arises:

• The Rays have chosen to be Club C, playing a road game on Friday, September 30th.
• The Red Sox have chosen to be Club A, hosting the first tiebreaker game on Thursday, September 29th.
• The Angels, as Club B, would play the Red Sox at Fenway Park on Thursday.
• The winner of the Thursday’s Angels-Red Sox game would host the Rays on Friday, September 30th.
• The winner of Friday’s game would be the American League Wild Card.

In the National League, the potential two-way National League Wild Card tie between the Atlanta Braves and the St. Louis Cardinals would be broken with a tiebreaker game on Thursday, September 29th at Busch Stadium in St. Louis. Head-to-head record determines home-field advantage in a two-way tie, and the Cardinals earned a 5-1 advantage over the Braves in the season series.

• Girardi wants to use Phil Hughes out of the bullpen tonight and Wednesday to get Hughes readjusted to life as a reliever. Hughes could obviously go multiple innings, and he said he wouldn’t be hesitant to pitch back-to-back days. As for the transition to pitching one inning at a time: “It’s easy,” he said. “Just let it go.”

• Girardi on the role Hughes might play in the bullpen: “He can be a multiple-inning guy for us, it could be a one-inning guy. We’ve seen him have a lot of success out of there. And that’s why we think it’s important to get him in there a couple of times.”

• The Yankees are no closer to deciding a Game 3 starter in the playoffs, and Girardi insists it’s not necessarily between Freddy Garcia and A.J. Burnett. “Bartolo is starting again and I’m gonna look at that, too,” Girardi said.

• Aside from Hughes, Girardi made it sound like he has no plans of using any of his go-to pitchers on Wednesday. He wants them to have two full days off before the playoffs begin on Friday.

• Francisco Cervelli tried to throw and go through catching drills today, and his concussion symptoms returned. Sounds like he’s as close to completely ruled out as he could be (if he weren’t there already).

• Hector Noesi is good for 70-80 pitches, which is a little more than his previous spot start.

• In the past, managers have occasionally let a player manage the last game of the season. Girardi said he might do that on Wednesday. “Depends if the game means anything,” Girardi said.

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Desmond Jennings LF
B.J. Upton CF
Evan Longoria 3B
Ben Zobrist 2B
Johnny Damon DH
Matt Joyce RF
Casey Kotchman 1B
Kelly Shoppach C
Reid Brignac SS

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142 Responses to “Pregame notes: Explaining a wild card tie”

  1. JimK September 26th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    LGY

    You are correct, and I admittedly used a poor analogy but my basic point was that no matter what Girardi does or does not do, the Girardi bashers will find some reason to criticize his every move. This despite the fact that the Yankees have HFA throughout the playoffs for as far as they go.
    Is Girardi perfect? Far from it but I think his record of reconstructing a BP on the fly is second to none.

  2. Warning Track Power September 26th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Posada has to manage.
    His coaches can be:

    Mo-Bench Coach
    C.C-Pitching Coach
    Jeter-Hitting Coach
    Romine-Bullpen Catcher

    HAHAHA!!

  3. blake September 26th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Brian Kenny making his mlbnetwork debut.

  4. m September 26th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    repost:

    Why did the Sox feel the need to make that statement? Anyone asking the Sox about it should get hung up on. Anyone emailing about it should be blocked.

    As for Lackey, I hope his wife is in remission right now. I mean she has to be, right? Anyway, she’s better off without him. She must be a GREAT actress pretending to love the parrot face.

    I don’t feel sorry for Bedard or Lackey for having their privacy invaded. Remember how the news of Paul Byrd’s HGH use just happened to come out during their postseason series with the Sox?

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Sox would have to go 2-1 and Rays 3-0 or Sox 1-2 Rays 2-1? Angels are cooked especially after the Sox won last night.

    I’m fine with Hughes in the pen. He’ll of course get a look-see in the next few days.

  5. mick September 26th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Colon going tmw makes it easy for him to be left off if he continues his downward trend.
    It’s if he happens to turn in a gem that it gets complicated.
    AJ is now a lock as is Freddy.

  6. Bo knows September 26th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Baseball America comments on Mason Williams # 1 overall in NYPLeague

    Mason Williams unsurprisingly topped the list, and in the subsciber-only scouting report, they say he “stays through the ball well with a simple lefthanded swing.” His “quick hands generate surprising bat speed,” which should allow for average power down the road. “Williams has plus to plus-plus speed that plays on the bases and in center field, though he’s still refining his basestealing ability and his outfield routes,” they added. “He has a solid-average arm and projects as a plus defender in center fielder.”

  7. EliasInNH September 26th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Maybe Girardi will let Dan in Toronto manage the last game of the season!
    :)

  8. Bo knows September 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Another comment on Mason Williams via RAB poster

    The previous post was via RAB as well

    Baseball America on Mason Williams today:
    Tony (Clifton): As a Yankees fan I’m obviously thrilled with Mason Williams’ pro debut as well as the glowing praise for him as a potential 5-tool guy but what, if any at this point, would you consider his biggest weakness/challenge going forward? I know he has advanced plate discipline but have scouts said he struggles against off-speed? Is his bat speed elite? Thanks Aaron.

    Aaron Fitt: I think he’s a legit blue-chip prospect, a very exciting talent, on the same level as Ryan Westmoreland when he burst onto the scene in the NY-P two years ago. Yes, it is elite bat speed — he can hit the ball a long way, especially for his size. He does have some things to work on, of course. He has premium speed but needs to learn how to steal bases more efficiently, and a couple of NY-P managers said they’d like to see him run harder up the line a little more consistently. He’s also still refining his routes in center field, where his speed masks some of his rawness at this stage. I did get some reports about him struggling against offspeed stuff, but almost all hitters need to improve that part of their game at Williams’ age. I have no real concerns about Williams’ bat; this guy’s going to hit.

  9. LockDown September 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    There doesn’t seem to be much room for Romine in the post. If this is the case, then why not have Montero or Posada catch today. Martin needs a rest anyhow. Hopefully Martin gets the next 2 days off

  10. lounge lizard September 26th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    “Depends if the game means anything,? Girardi said.

    __________________________________________

    Since the Yanks have nothing left to clinch for themselves, Girardi’s comment shows that the Yanks are attuned to conducting themselves equitably with regard to the wild card contenders. There’s no doubt he’s getting this directive from the front office and that it’s affecting his lineup choices.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Too many posts since I left so I just skimmed. Have to answer this on though.

    “one last thought….
    wouldn’t it be better to beat the vaunted rs in the alcs than watch them peter out?
    you all know it would…”

    No. It would be better to see them go down in flames now. The sooner the better.

    You know it would.

  12. m September 26th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    I didn’t really understand TBS strategy on the 3 way tie thing.

    They were saying you pick one game to win and pitch your best pitcher that game.

    Wouldn’t that be the first game?

  13. jacksquat September 26th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Granderson and Posada after 14 innings yesterday. Girardi’s words and actions are contradictory.

  14. Giuseppe Franco September 26th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    I seriously doubt the front office is telling Girardi how to manage this team.

  15. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
    GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    YankeeFem,

    Here’s your answer to Mason Williams.

    jimcallisBA Jim Callis
    #Yankees OF Mason Williams headlines our New York-Penn League Top 20 Prospects list: http://ht.ly/6F3Gb
    ____
    GB, as it should be. Was there a countdown to #1 so that he wasn’t mentioned earlier?

    ——————————————————————————————————————————–

    Yankeefem, not sure if it was just ommitted or if Callis wanted to get hits from irate Yankee prospect huggers.

  16. austinmac September 26th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Very high praise for Williams. Charleston or Tampa next April?

  17. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Beckett just lost his binky

    @ESPNJoeyMac: Varitek out. Salty in.

  18. Captain Clutch September 26th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Let’s go O’s!!!!!!

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I have no trouble rooting for the Yankees to lose. I want them to lose as many games as necessary for the Rays to get the wild card.

    I deal well with Yankee losses, that’s no secret. The first one I remember having a really negative effect on me was last night. That’s how much I want the Sux to lose.

    Or put another way, I am rooting for the Rays to take as many games as they need to in order to knock the Sux out of it.

    Last time I looked that was my right.

    So let me put it this way:

    1. I want the Sux out of this as soon as possible. If you don’t agree, I respect your right not to agree.

    2. I am rooting for the Rays to win as many games as possible in order to knock the Sux out of contention. If you don’t agree, I respect your right not to agree.

    3. I am not bothered by Yankee losses and I consider the next 3 games to be irrelevant games in terms of W-L. If you don’t agree, I respect your right not to agree.

    Listening to Francona on WEEI made me sick because what last night was translated into was this: We beat the best team in the league, in 14 innings. Not we beat a watered-down version of their team. Of course it’s not going to translate that way, even though it’s the case.

    ***********

    Someone please tell me what the Rays have to do in order to knock the Sux out. If it’s already posted, I will look for it.

    GO ORIOLES!!!

  20. austinmac September 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    The integrity of baseball requires all teams to try to win, but they can rest their players as they see fit. I can only imagine the howls here if the shoe were on the other foot and the Sox tried to lose.

    By the way, throwing games is bad.

  21. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 26th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    “Depends if the game means anything,” ????? WHAT ? HOW could the last game of the season actually MEAN ANYTHING to the Yankees. Did Jarhead start drinking early today?

  22. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    No relievers on the postseason roster except for Hughes on Wednesday?

    Nice. Hopefully Proctor starts.

  23. austinmac September 26th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Trisha, Trisha, Trisha. Perhaps, I am a sore loser, but go Yanks.

  24. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Mac, I gotta think that Williams will start in Charleston.

  25. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    m September 26th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    I didn’t really understand TBS strategy on the 3 way tie thing.

    They were saying you pick one game to win and pitch your best pitcher that game.

    Wouldn’t that be the first game?
    ==

    For the three way tie, the Rays picked the option of only having to play one game. In a three way tie the others would have to win two games to get the WC.

    That puts the RS and Angels at a disadvantage by having two games to play, their number 1 and 2 starters going, and their players having to play both games with no off days.

    I don’t think a three way will happen. Technically it could, but that means the Angels would have to sweep, the Sox would have to be swept, and the Rays win one. That seems a tall order.

  26. Abomb82 September 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Joe needs to do everything he can to make sure we don’t win any of these 3 games

  27. Vineyard Yankee September 26th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    It is really sick that I want the Yankees to roll over and die for 3 games just to grind the Sux into the dirt. Rub their noses in it and hope for the worst when it comes to them………..

    Better yet I should go take my meds to dull these thoughts.

  28. LGY September 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Cowboy Joe West is at 2B tonight

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    “Trisha, Trisha, Trisha. Perhaps, I am a sore loser, but go Yanks.”

    Perhaps you don’t hate the Sux as much as I do, perhaps you don’t have as much faith in the Yanks to take this all as I do, or perhaps you just want the Yankees to continue to win. Whatever it is, it is certainly your right. I don’t need to understand or agree with anybody else’s motivation. I believe you are a Yankee fan, austin. I know I am.

    I don’t need anybody else’s approbation in order to feel good about the way I root.

    It’s unfortunate that people who are good with the Rays winning in order to knock out the Sux have to continue to explain their wishes.

  30. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Layi ng down in a game in order to get a team more favorable to your liking tends to backfire. Personally, I want the Yankees to win their next 14 games this year.

    Not a prediction, but, I also want the Yankees to sweep next year’s ST games, the regular season and next post season.

  31. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Don Vito A. Bellamo September 26th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    “Depends if the game means anything,” ????? WHAT ? HOW could the last game of the season actually MEAN ANYTHING to the Yankees. Did Jarhead start drinking early today?
    +++++++++

    It still could mean something to the team they are playing or the Red Sox. It means that he would have to make some kind of effort to field a decent team and not give the appearance that they are giving the game away.

    I think its more talk to quell the media from making accusations that they weren’t fair to the Red Sox.

  32. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Mason definitely will be in Charleston.

  33. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    “It is really sick that I want the Yankees to roll over and die for 3 games just to grind the Sux into the dirt. Rub their noses in it and hope for the worst when it comes to them………..”

    Understand something Vineyard. You have a lot of company here. Again, I totally understand the feeling because I want the same things you want for the Sux.

  34. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    What makes you think that if the Yanks toss three games to Tampa that Boston won’t win their 3 against Baltimore?

  35. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    LGY September 26th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Cowboy Joe West is at 2B tonight
    +++++++++

    Maybe MLB can team up Cowboy Joe and McClelland and CB Buckner for this series and keep the game interesting.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    LGY, what has to happen in order for the Sux to be knocked out by the Rays, in terms of numbers of games?

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I don’t want the Yankees to toss the games. I want the Rays to win the games. There’s a difference.

  38. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Just as long as Procter gets to pitch each game to the Rays, just to make it fair to them, I’m good. lol.

  39. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t particularly care if the Yankees lose or win tonight, but seeing Big Game James sitting there with a towel on his face would be pretty entertaining.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Would someone, ANYONE, answer my question please.

    What is the formula for the Rays to knock the Sux out of contention?

    Thanks.

  41. Abomb82 September 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    “What makes you think that if the Yanks toss three games to Tampa that Boston won’t win their 3 against Baltimore?”

    If that happens, so be it. But at least make them sweat and have to use Lester on 3 days rest and the like to set them up worse for October.

    Don’t make it easy for the Sux. At least let Tampa have a chance on the last day of the season.

  42. Vineyard Yankee September 26th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    On the other hand it might be nice to face the Sux somewhere in the playoffs, their depleted pitching, injury riddled shell of a team.

    The Yankees at full stength with something to play for can then open a huge can of whip a** all over them. That warm fuzzy feeling ! YES !

  43. luis September 26th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Hi everyone,

    Reading the posts I have to admit that i have conflicting feelings, i would love the red sux out of the PS, for many reasons: a) i want the” best team ever “go down in flames, b) i hate the red sux and c) I don’t want them to have a chance in the PS, as small as it can be, any team can get hot.

    On the other hand, I am a proud Yankee fan, and i would hate for them to roll over against any team….If they beat us fair and square, it’s fine with me, but losing on porpouse never.

    So i must say GO YANKEES!, and if they beat us fine, but no rolling over

  44. m September 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    I’ m not cheering for the Yankees to lose. Just hoping the Sox collapse. :)

  45. GreenBeret7 September 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    There will be three starting pitchers for NYYs that won’t lay down for anyone. They may not win, but, they won;t roll over.

    Tampa has had all year to make up at least one game. As a matter of fact, they’ve had the month of September to take control and couldn’t do it. Screw ‘em. Win ‘em all and run the table.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Vineyard, I still want the Sux to go down in flames now. If they’re lucky enough to back in they won’t sniff anything past the first round. I consider that a given.

  47. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    LGY, what has to happen in order for the Sux to be knocked out by the Rays, in terms of numbers of games?
    +++++++++

    The Rays have to win one more game than the Red Sox to tie, two more games to knock off the RS.

    I would be thrilled to see a tie, as it means both teams would lose their number 1 starter for the first round. Punishing the WC in this way is not a bad thing. This is how it seems to be shaping up for when they add the extra WC slot in to the post season.

  48. Abomb82 September 26th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    “What is the formula for the Rays to knock the Sux out of contention?”

    Rays have to play 2 games better than the Sox to officially eliminate them. So if the Sox go 1-2, Rays have to go 3-0. If the Sox get swept, Rays have to only win 2 of 3.

    If the Sox win 2 of 3, they guarantee themselves at least a 1 game playoff regardless of what Tampa does. If they win all 3, the win the WC outright.

    For a 1 game playoff, Tampa needs to play 1 game better than Boston. So if Boston wins 2 of 3, Rays need to win all 3. If Boston loses 2 of 3, Rays need to win 2 of 3.

    Basically, for us to feel safe, we really need to root for a Tampa sweep. That would mean that there is at least 1 game playoff unless Boston also sweeps the Orioles.

  49. m September 26th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    trisha,

    Scroll up^^ I posted scenarios that was not refuted.

    The Rays need to win one more than the Sox to force a playoff. They need to win 2 more than the Sox to win it out right. I think.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    That’s why I said I am not rooting for the Yankees to lose, I am rooting for the Rays to win. And if the Sux weren’t even involved in this conversation and the Yanks lost to the Rays in the last three games it wouldn’t bother me a whit.

  51. luis September 26th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Trish,

    The formula is that the Sux get swept by Baltimore and the yankees win 2-1 so there is a tie for the wildcard or we lose 1-2 and the Rays go directly to the PS as WC

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Thanks mel. I’ll scroll up.

  53. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Seeing the text poll asking what do you account for the Rays resurgence. They left off the true reason. They give 4 choices, but they didn’t list the only reason why they are this close, and that is the RS tanking huge throughout the whole month.

  54. Captain Clutch September 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    It will be funny to see how many bad calls the Orioles get in this series. I expect at least one per game. The umps will do whatever they can to help the Sox out. Beckett’s strike zone will also be gigantic.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 26th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Thanks Luis. And thanks Yogi and Abomb.

  56. yankeefeminista September 26th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Looks like Ellsbury gutsy 14th inning HR off unhittable reliever S. Proctor might be the hit that catapults Ellsbury into the lead as mvp winner @mlb network. :roll:

  57. JD September 26th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Or : “What is the formula for the Rays to knock the Sux out of contention?”

    Play Hard + Leave everything on field x little luck + fiesty fightin showalters = wild card :0

  58. Yogi Mantle September 26th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Even if Boston sweeps the O’s, there is benefit to that. They have to go with Lester for Wednesday’s game, pushing him back for a post season start. It will have them playing out of order, which could be costly given their pitching problems. That is provided the Rays win enough to force them to have to go all out to win all the O’s games they play.

    It also means no resting their aging players.

  59. EliasInNH September 26th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    @Trisha
    The Rays can’t do anything on their own to take the Sox down.
    Boston’s magic number to clinch the Wild Card is 3.

    So if the Sox sweep Baltimore, they are the Wild Card, no matter what Tampa Bay does.

    If the Red Sox win 2 of three…
    the Rays must win all three, and there will be a play-in game after the regular season ends.

    If the Red Sox win 1 of three AND
    A. The Rays win 2 of three, there will be a play-in game after the regular season ends.
    B. The Rays win all three, the Rays will be the Wild Card; no play-in game needed.

    If the Red Sox get swept AND
    A. The Rays sweep us, the Rays will be the wild card.
    B. The Rays win 2 of three, the Rays will be wild card.
    C. The Rays win 1 of three, there will be a play-in game after the regular season ends.

    If Tampa gets swept by us, Boston wins the Wild Card.

  60. EliasInNH September 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Lowrie up top 1, bases loaded, 2 outs.

  61. EliasInNH September 26th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Orioles out of the inning!

  62. austinmac September 26th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Rooting for another team necessarily says your teams players don’t do well. Personally, I pull for each of them with every pitch. Their are exceptions, but I like a team’s chances better if on all cylinders as the year ends.

  63. austinmac September 26th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    I admit I don’t live in Sox territory and have to listen to it frequently. Of course, everyone loves to torment a Yankee fan when they lose.

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