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Five things to know about the Tigers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In a five-game series, it’s impossible to overlook a pitcher like Justin Verlander. He’s the most daunting task facing the Yankees in the opening round of the playoffs, and the Yankees will see him right from the start in a rematch of opening day: Verlander against CC Sabathia.

The Yankees went 4-3 against the Tigers this season, but these two teams haven’t met since May 5 when Nick Swisher was the No. 2 hitter, Curtis Granderson was batting fifth and A.J. Burnett gave up three hits through seven innings. Things have changed, so here are five things to know about the Yankees first-round opponent.

The Tigers’ rotation is all right
Literally. The entire Detroit rotation is right-handed. That means the Yankees will have some decisions to make at designated hitter, and Jesus Montero might be a nothing more than a pinch hitter this series. Jorge Posada, despite his many offensive shortcomings this season, has hit pretty well against righties. He has a .269/.348/.466 slash line against them, and that’s not drastically different from his career numbers.

An all-right-handed rotation means Montero and Andrew Jones might make their only impact against left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Daniel Schlereth. Jones has one career at-bat against each of them, and Montero has never faced them, but both Coke and Schlereth have been significantly worse against righties than lefties. If an all-right-handed rotation does leave Montero on the bench, that might alleviate some of the desire to carry Austin Romine. Not having Montero in the lineup means he can fill that backup role off the bench.

They have their own version of Dave Robertson
Don’t get me wrong, I think Robertson had a better season, but Tigers rookie Al Alburquerque was tremendous. He actually had more strikeouts per nine innings than Robertson — more walks per nine innings as well — and opponents hit just .142 against him, which is lower than Robertson’s opponents’ batting average. Alburquerque is a dominant piece of a Tigers bullpen that actually compares favorably to the Yankees.

Jose Valverde, Joaquin Benoit and Alburquerque give the Tigers their very own version of Mariano Rivera, Rafael Soriano and Robertson. It’s a dominant group. In the late innings, there’s no much difference between these two teams. Both can roll out a series of one-inning relievers to keep a score right where it is. Scoring early will be important.

Don’t forget about Doug Fister
Stuck with Seattle’s horrible offense, Fister opened this season 3-12 with a 3.33 ERA. The Tigers saw an opportunity, made a trade, and Fister went 8-1 with a 1.79 ERA in 11 games for Detroit. He’s stepped into the second spot in the rotation, and based on the way he’s pitched since he deadline, he gives the Tigers a legitimate No. 2 behind Justin Verlander.

The back of the Tigers rotation has Yankee-like questions about Max Scherzer and Rick Porcello — talented but not always reliable third and fourth starters — but Fister has given them the no-doubt-about-it No. 2, and that could be a tough thing in a five-game series. Not only do the Yankees have to face the certain Cy Young winner twice, they have to face Fister at least once, and he’s been terrific for two months.

Magglio Ordonez is not who you think he is
Yes, it’s the same guy who finished second in the MVP face four years ago, but Ordonez has become a shell of his former self. He was the Tigers No. 3 hitter on Opening Day, but Ordonez finished the season hitting just .255 with a .303 on-base percentage and five home runs. He had just 32 RBI, which is only two more than Eduardo Nunez and one less than Andruw Jones. Ordonez was still a very productive hitter last year. He’s just disappeared this season.

With Ordonez struggling, the Tigers don’t always play him, but rookie Andy Dirks hasn’t been lighting the world on fire with his .251/.296/.406 slash line, and both Ryan Raburn and Don Kelly are nice utility players rather than feared corner outfielders. Trading for Delmon Young provided an outfield spark for a while, but his numbers have slipped.

The lineup doesn’t stop at Victor Martinez
Austin Jackson strikes out a lot for a leadoff hitter, and the Tigers have been mixing and matching in the No. 2 spot, and Young is spotty as a No. 3 hitter. But the Tigers do have Miguel Cabrera. Detroit’s cleanup hitter might be the best hitter in the American League other than Jose Bautista, and if the Yankees chose to pitch around him, they’ll face Victor Martinez, who’s obviously dangerous with his 40 doubles and 102 RBI. But don’t take your eyes off the next two guys.

Alex Avila has been outstanding this season. He’s easily the American League’s top offensive catcher, and his .295/.389/.506 slash line stands out when you’re looking for bottom-of-the-ballot MVP candidates. At 24 years old, he’s raked this season, and he’s been at his best since the all-star break. The Tigers seventh hitter has been shortstop Jhonny Peralta, and he’s been a nice addition since coming over from Cleveland last season. His .824 OPS is higher than every Yankees regular except Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira. And that’s coming out of the seventh spot.

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453 Responses to “Five things to know about the Tigers”

  1. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Final Predictions: This series comes down to two things – the Yankees offense against Justin Verlander. Since the Yankees offense hits the field every night and Justin might see 2 starts (if the series goes 5 games), the advantage is heavily in favor of the Yanks.

    Read the entire attached article:

    http://www.allsportstalk.net/m.....tions/2634

  2. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    JonLaneNYC Wholly amazed about the greatest regular-season night in baseball history and how the AL Wild Card was decided in eight minutes.

  3. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    We have beat Smoltz, Glavine,Maddux,Pedro and Schilling (all better pitchers then him) in the post season so excuse me if I don?t quake at the fact of facing Justin Verlander.

  4. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    This will be the only negative thing I say today, but I have to say it. At some point in the ALDS, the fate of the Yankees will rest on AJ Burnett…..

  5. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    They have beaten Verlander this year.

  6. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    If they use AJ in the right situation he coukd be valuable…….he could come in a strike out a guy or hold his delivery together for an inning and get big outs. You just have to watch him very closely

  7. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Yamks win in 4

  8. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Let me try that again:

    Yanks win in 4

  9. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Chad-

    Good wrap-up of the Tigers. One additional thing. they are last in the AL and I believe in the majors in stolen bases, with the leader Jackson who doesn’t get on base much.

    This could very well decide this series in the Yankees favor in the close games!

  10. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    CC-

    I hope you are completely wrong about that, and I very much doubt it.

    As far as I am concerned Burnett shouldn’t even be allowed to sniff the mound in the ALDS.

    I can think of 4 or 5 guys I’d go to before him.

  11. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    I think we get an ALCS rematch between the Yanks and Texas……revenge time.

  12. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    I wanted Texas in the 1st round.

    Detroit is much tougher.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the Rays knock off Texas.

  13. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:15 am
    CC-

    I hope you are completely wrong about that, and I very much doubt it.

    As far as I am concerned Burnett shouldn’t even be allowed to sniff the mound in the ALDS.

    I can think of 4 or 5 guys I’d go to before him.

    —————–

    Only 4 or 5?

  14. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    CC-

    OK. Maybe more.

    :)

  15. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    I think it’ll be a bad decision if they make Montero a pinch hitter for this series…..
    assuming his hand is ok he should start Game 1 against Verlander.

    With all the RH pitching……they need a big series from Tex and they need him to perform better from the left side. Cano and Granderson need big series.

  16. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Any guesses on who rounds out the Yankees pitching staff for the ALDS if they go with 11?

    Sabathia, Nova, Garcia starters.
    Logan, Soriano, Wade, Robertson, Rivera relievers.

    Burnett appears in. That’s 9.

    Who will be the other 2 in your opinion? Ayala, Hughes, Colon, Other

  17. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Im not saying the Rays pitching is operated……but its operated. They are a great staff 1-5 but that’s their strength ……the depth……its a different kind of dominance than say the Phillies or Giants from last year. They don’t have the shut down guy aside from Shields at times right now……..I could be wrong but I see Texas and Tampa as a fairly big mismatch.

  18. 108 stitches September 29th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    If the Yankees truly wanted a win last night, they would have kept the regular guys in the lineup longer and David Robertson and Mariano would have shut the Rays down.
    All of no consequence anyway. The rosters will be set and the Yankees will have a good practice today and be ready for the Tigers.

  19. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Detroit is much tougher.

    —————————————-

    Texas has better hitting, relievers and better overall starting pitching. The only thing Det has over them is 1 dominant starter

  20. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Operated = over rated

  21. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Agree that Montero should play against the righties. All of his homers were against righties, and a fastball pitcher pitches to his strength. Gardner will have to step it up and provide the speed needed in the close games.

  22. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    My guess at the staff.

    Sabathia, Nova, Garcia, AJ, Rivera, Robertson, Soriano, Hughes, Logan, wade, Colon.

  23. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Blake-

    So who do you think wins. Tampa or Texas ?

    I have zero respect for Texas’s starting pitching.

    It’s pretty much CJ and everyone else, and CJ ain’ no great shakes either.

    Their claim to fame is their offense, and I hope the Rays SP will control them.

    That’s how I see it.

  24. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Id leave Romine off and take Dickerson.

  25. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    blake-I agree, I don’t see Tampa winning that series.

    I think we’ll be seeing another Yankees/Rangers ALCS, hopefully with a better result this time around. ;)

  26. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Hughes is a lock for the roster.

    I agree that Montero should start game 1, but it’s not going to happen. I’d feel better about Posada if he wasnt in a slump right now (regardless of season numbers from left side). Everything he hits lately is on the ground to 1st or 2nd base.

    Hopefully Granderson snaps out of his funk too.

  27. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Triple-

    I don’t agree. see my post to Blake above.

    Detroit is a much more balanced team than Texas imo.

  28. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Blake-
    Those 11 would be my pick, if Hughes is 100%. I think Colon offers more than Ayala, despite Ayala’s better ERA.

  29. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    MTU,

    Honestly I think Texas rolls Tampa……they are just a better team. You never known with this game but its a mismatch on paper IMO

    Texas has a much better lineup……a much better pen…..and home field.

  30. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Wilson has had a darn good season……he’s made himself a ton of money from somebody.

  31. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Detroit is a much more balanced team than Texas imo.

    ——————————————–

    Texas is 5th overall in pitching and Det is 7th
    Texas is 3rd overall in hitting and Det is 4th

  32. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Blake-

    I guess you don’t value SP as much as I do.

    We’ll see. Tampa is gonna be riding a wave of momentum and confidence.

  33. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    My predictions

    Rangers in 4
    Yankees in 5
    Phillies in 5
    Brewers in 4.

  34. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    hey all! WHAT A NIGHT IT WAS! had two games playing on the computer, one on the tv and was chatting with my fbb friends, it was epic.

    i only peeked into the game thread one time and the first thing i read was where betsy was saying that phil cant be a longman b/c he’s not stretched out. its 12 hours later and im still lauging!

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!

  35. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    MTU-

    For once I don’t agree with you.

    Detroit last in majors in stolen bases, which will play a big part.

    They are average in homers, and have hit barely more than Tampa Bay!

  36. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Blake-

    Wilson is mediocre IMO. He doesn’t impress me.

    He’s had 2 good but not great seasons.

    He’s not a youngster either. Can’t see someone paying him big money based on that.

    ;)

  37. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    denisleary To all Red Sox fans age 33 & younger: this is what 1978 feels like. Minus the quaaludes and disco.

  38. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    MTU,

    I value SP a ton……I just think Tampa’s strength in that area is more 1-6 depth than 1-3 for a playoff series. Shields can’t pitch until game 2. Price can’t pitcher until Monday…….

  39. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    wonder how buck really felt about the WS celebration he saw his team enjoy after finishing dead last in the division!

  40. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    YT-

    Hope you are right and we roll over Detroit but I’m not so sure.

    I always want to face the team with the weaker pitching.

    ;)

  41. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:31 am
    My predictions

    Rangers in 4
    Yankees in 5
    Phillies in 5
    Brewers in 4.

    ———–

    OK, I’ll play:

    Rangers in 4
    Yanks in 4
    Philly in 3
    Brewers in 5

    The Phillies were the big winners last night. Instead of having to most likely play the Brewers and the Diamondbacks to make the WS, now they only have to play one of them. St Louis is easily the worst team in the playoffs (esp with Carpenter only available for 1 game).

  42. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Vito_TheBoss What’s the difference between a hot dog @Yankee Stadium & Fenway Park?You can’t buy one in October at Fenway #ChaseFor28 #YankeesUniverse

  43. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    I will play too:
    Yankees in 4
    Tampa in 5
    Philly in 3
    Brewers in 4

  44. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Yankees in 4
    Rangers in 4
    Phillies in 3
    Brewers in 4

  45. jonathan p September 29th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    if they play jorge posada at dh instead of jesus montero they deserve to lose. completely a-s backwards antiquated thinking

  46. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Blake-

    CJ
    Holland
    Harrison
    etc.

    vs.

    Shields
    Price
    Niemann
    Davis
    Hellickson

    With guys like Moore in reserve.

    No contest really, imo.

    Texas has the offense.

    TB the mgr, speed and D.

  47. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Rangers in 4
    Yankees in 5
    Phillies in 5
    Brewers in 4.
    ——————————-
    I’m going with
    Rangers in 5-TB starters will be a tougher matchup for them than the RS would have been.

    Yankees in 4-Yankees speed will make the difference in the close games.

    Cardinals in 5. Phillies are going to rue playing their regulars in extra innings and beating the Braves. The two preseason picks for the WS are out!

    Brewers in 4 since they have HFA and are great at home.

  48. HipHipHorHay September 29th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    I heard that MLB Network was crucifying Girardi for not using Mo last night – that the “integrity of the game” demanded it. Granted, it was apparently Rob “The Idiot” Dibble saying it, but did any of you hear that? I can’t understand any knowledgeable baseball fan thinking that way.

  49. pat September 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Bob Klapisch
    Buck Showalter (via text): “Baseball gods were kind to us. Feel for Tito and good staff. Good for the fans.”

  50. BIG AL September 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    MTU -

    You think the Rays will beat Texas? Look at the games they just played, facing a AAA for the most part, and pitchers they’ll never see in the PS, and they barely got the job done. The Rays are too weak on offense, and their pitching will not hold up against the Rangers.

    The Yankees need to take care of business with the Tigers, and forget about who they’ll face later, first things first.

    Chad made some excellent points about the Tigers.

    To me the big question is, which CC to we get tomorrow, the early or late edition. If CC continues to pitch poorly, it will be a tough series, if he pitches like mid season CC, we’re in good shape.

  51. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Girardi had his regulars start the game. He was under no obligation to put So/Ro/Mo in to pitch. His first responsibility is to get his team ready for the PS.

    The red sox had their destiny in their own hands regardless of what the Yankees did. If they took care of business, they would still be playing.

  52. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Have to go now. Evereone have a great day.

    Yankees can do this!! :)

  53. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Yankees in 4
    Rays in 4
    St. Louis in 5
    Brewers in 3

  54. Yankee Trader September 29th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Before I go, I’m again attaching an article for the 1st round predictions for all teams:

    http://www.allsportstalk.net/m.....tions/2634

  55. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Ray going for the major upset with St. Louis beating Philly. ;)

  56. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    I’m not even worried about the Texas/Rays series. Good for the Rays for making the playoffs, now I hope they crash and burn along with every other opponent we may face.

    I still think Colon makes the playoff roster.

  57. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Al-

    I’m not predicting anything. All I’m saying is that the Rays have a good starting staff and the Rangers don’t.

    I always place more value on pitching than O especially in the PS.

    I think you are under rating TB’s pitcher’s Is all.

    I also like TB’s pluck, their Manager’s ability, their speed, and their D.

    I don’t get overwhelmed by the big boppers when the the SP is weak.

    That’s my take. Like I said I’m not predicting anything.

    ;)

  58. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    rays have everything they need to go all the way except they also have everything they need for us to beat them and it looks like this:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6Gbg.....600/16.jpg

  59. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Girardi had his regulars start the game. He was under no obligation to put So/Ro/Mo in to pitch. His first responsibility is to get his team ready for the PS.

    —————————-

    Not to mention that when the regulars were pulled we still had a VERY healthy lead. How people keep ignoring that is beyond me. It isn’t as if Uncle Joe started them and pulled them after one at bat…

  60. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    I know Philly vs Cards seems like a mismatch……but I just have a feeling about that one…..that the Cards are going to give them a series.

    MTU,

    Price isn’t scaring anyone right now and Texas’s offense and pen more than make up for any SP adv Tampa has right now IMO

  61. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    blake, it is a mismatch, it will be a philly sweep

  62. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    if we were playing that game to win, betances would have his first mlb win and it would have been a quick game.

  63. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Ys,

    We shall see. Cards have played Philly tough this year year. Worse part for them is that Carp can’t pitcher until game 3 most likely.

  64. Bryan September 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    So are you a$$ clowns still in morning that the D squad lost to the Rays last night?

  65. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Blake-

    I don’t agree. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. No biggie as far as I’m concerned.

    No point in debating further. Let’s see how the chips fall.

    Maybe you’re right and Texas will roll right over the Rays. I actually kind of hope not though.

    What TB did last night was heroic. I’m givin’ ‘em credit for it.

    I am very happy the Sux went out in the way they did.

  66. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    If last night had been a real game…..the Yanks win 7-0 because Robertson slams the door in the 8th.

  67. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    This is awesome:

    DanBarbarisi And on a totally un-playoff front, check out the oddest things you’ll find in the lockers of the #Yankees Clubhouse http://on.wsj.com/pHRTgQ

  68. blake September 29th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    MTU,

    I know what you’re saying…..

  69. Tyler September 29th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Yeah something tells me that D-Rob and Mo don’t blow a 7 run lead.

  70. BIG AL September 29th, 2011 at 10:00 am

    MTU -

    Price, the Rays #1 SP has been rocked lately, and the other SP has been up and down. On paper the Rays have a huge advantage at SP, but, the Rangers can score runs, the Rays struggle in that. That was my point, and I feel the Rangers should win in 4, or sweep. But, that’s why they play the games on the field, not on paper. :)

  71. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I don’t see the Rays advancing past the ALDS. To me, last night was their bright, shiny “it’s an honor just to be nominated” moment. :P

  72. BIG AL September 29th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    To me, seeing Pap blow the save last night – Priceless!

  73. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Warning: you will more than likely have “Sweet Caroline” in your head for the rest of the day. But it’s worth it ;)

    cj_pinstripes The Red Sox decline song…funny as hell. Have a great day!!! LOL http://youtu.be/pWaoZvWu6As

  74. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Wally Matthews actually wrote the following:

    What it means: Be careful what you wish for, because even though the Red Sox are out, the Rays are in — and right now, the Rays may be more dangerous. Evan Longoria’s 12th-inning walkoff home run off Scott Proctor caps probably the most thrilling game of the season, a nearly five-hour monster that was important to just one team but was played as if it was the seventh game of the World Series by both. Now, the Yankees may have to see the Rays again in the ALCS. Gulp!

    Tremendous game, tremendous worry: The Yankees’ bullpen, considered a strength going into the playoffs, may not be as solid as we thought. Two of the pitchers the Yankees will depend upon most in the postseason, Boone Logan and Luis Ayala melted down in the eighth and allowed the Rays to make a game of it after falling behind 7-0. Then, Cory Wade, another ‘pen stalwart, gave up the game-tying homer to Dan Johnson in the ninth.

    ———————–

    haha, did the Yanks play like it was game 7 of the WS? The Yankees didnt even play like it was game 7 of the regular season. And “two of the pitchers the Yankees will depend upon the most”? OK….

  75. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Wait what? Was he watching the same game I was? And when did Ayala and Logan replace Mo and D-rob?

  76. MTU September 29th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Al-

    Yes sir. And on any given day a guy can come up to his potential can rise to the ocassion, or do the opposite.

    What a guy has done before the PS may or may not have any bearing on how they perform when greatness is needed.

    I believe in SP. Always have. Always will.

  77. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    That’s right Wally, when I think of ‘pen stalwarts on the Yankees I think of Cory Wade.

  78. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Matthews is an idiot. :roll:

  79. Jerkface September 29th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I dunno if anyone noticed, but Dan Johnson’s HR hit a guy in the bean bag. Of course after that HR they were dancing beans.

    http://i.imgur.com/fIp11.gif

  80. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    And Skip Bayless is going crazy on First Take, talking about how pathetic it was the Yankees didn’t play all there stars. That dude is a lunatic.

    Yeah lets play all of our studs and get someone hurt. Skip always looking for a reaction.

  81. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    LOL Jerkface, my husband noticed that. We backed the game up so we could watch it again.

  82. Tyler September 29th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Logan and Ayala are 2 of the guys that the Yanks are going to lean on most in the playoffs? If that’s true, Tigers in 3 haha!

  83. 108 stitches September 29th, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Billy Eppler and his top notch major league scouting staff watched Detroit and Texas like a hawk and will file their reports today.
    Larry Rothschild will go over videos of the Detroit hitters with the entire Yankee pitching staff.

  84. Tyler September 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    The Yanks owed nobody anything last night. They played a full lineup pretty much all 3 games. As Theo said, all the Sox needed to do was go 9-18 and they were in. Just win a third of your games, a pace that is worse than the worst team in baseball still. These other teams should have clinched early like the Yanks if they are going to complain.

  85. BIG AL September 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Wally must be from the west coast, he’s so far to the left, what an idiot. Does he really believe the Yankees played their best, in an effort to win last night? Just the opposite, pitching Protor those last 3 innings was an effort to allow the Rays every chance to win.

    Any sports writer that puts his name on that spin, should not be taken with a grain of salt.

  86. Jerkface September 29th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Anyone who has been watching the Yankees has recognized that Ayala is not a ‘go-to guy’ for Girardi and that Wade took his spot as the 4th best option out of the pen. I dont have time to think about how the roster shakes out but if Ayala is on it he will only come into a blow out or like if the starter is in trouble in the 5th inning. Wade in the 6th in the same situation.

    Obviously they will lean on Mariano Rivera, David Robertson, and Soriano. Like seriously, what was he watching? In 2009 the Yankees won by giving approximately 90% of their innings to starters+Mariano Rivera. Now its going to be the same thing but add D-rob in there too. He is going to be huge.

  87. Giuseppe Franco September 29th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Shocking. Wally Matthews said something moronic again.

  88. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I really lost all respect for A Gon last night. His post game comments were so weak.

    Blaming injuries, saying Ayala got squeezed, basically guaranteeing they will be there next season. Weaksauce.

    Here’s the link again for anyone interested

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/09/ad.....major.html

  89. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I almost half-believe Ayala “took a dive” .

    Sox needed to play .333 baseball in Sept to get in the playoffs but played .259. Even Theo said that the worst teams in baseball win 1/3 of their games.

    And I wanted the Yanks to win that game last night but I will admit that it was an enjoyable loss.

  90. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Tigers are a very dangerous team – this won’t be any cakewalk.

  91. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Did WCRSF flee the country before the collapse could be complete?

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Who cares about Matthews. He’s not a particularly talented writer or thinker.

    Those guys will scarcely see action, outside of Wade and Logan. Logan is always a concern, Wade has been good. One game isn’t going to raise my blood pressure on him.

    The only time I got even slightly concerned last night about the bullpen is when the camera caught David Robertson heading out to the bullpen. I thought, over my dead body. Now that would have been too much.

  93. Giuseppe Franco September 29th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    How could anyone suggest that the Yanks were playing last night’s game like it was Game 7 of the WS when a kid like Betances starts the game, the regulars are replaced by the 7th inning, and Soriano, Robertson, and Mo don’t even make an appearance?

    I don’t like watching the Yanks blow games they should have won, but it’s obvious Girardi didn’t manage this game with that kind of do or die mindset.

  94. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    The Yanks are the best team in the AL. But I wouldnt be shocked if any of the 4 AL teams made the WS. In the NL, Phillies are the best team. But only the Cards making the WS would shock me. It’s pretty wide open in both leagues.

  95. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    I agree with Matthews – everyone rooting for the Yankees to blow it so that maybe they could face the Rays…….as if the Rays are total dogmeat. I hate that the Yankees blew a 7 run lead with pitchers who will be pitching (granted, only if the Yankees are losing) in the playoffs – it’s just not a good way to go into the playoffs. I don’t know if they will beat the Tigers or not – our SP is not very good and I really don’t trust anyone outside of Mo or Robertson in the pen – but if most experts are predicting sweeps, that’s pretty laughable. I guess the Yankees don’t get any credit for taking 5/7 from Rays/Sox at the Stadium?

  96. BIG AL September 29th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    An honest sports report:

    The Red Sox lost because their pitching sucked, they could not beat the team with the worst record in the AL East, and they lacked the ability to win 2 games in a row after the AS break.

    The Rays are in, because the Yankees allowed them the opportunity to win, by not shutting them down with their best RP, because the PS was more important than beating the Rays.

    Frankly, I don’t care who is in the PS or how they got there, only thing that matters is the Yankees are in the PS, and I want to see #28 this year. :)

  97. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    i liked what i saw from betances last nigth. he started out like he did his first mlb game, but at one point he stepped off, took a walk around the mound, stepped back in and became a major leaguer. welcome to the yankees dellin, have a great offseason!

  98. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I don’t think people were rooting for the Yankees to lose so they could face the Rays. I think people were rooting the see the over hyped “best team since the ’27 Yankees” lose. The fact that it was the red sox was icing on the cake.
    The Yankees had no problem scoring 7 unanswered runs vs Price.

  99. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    was played as if it was the seventh game of the World Series by both.

    How many teams have their game 7 starter scheduled for 2 innings, and use 11 pitchers to complete the game.

    Also… SCOTT PROCTOR.

    God, Matthews is an idiot.

  100. jacksquat September 29th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Righthanded hitters OPS’d 113 points higher vs Verlander this year. Maybe Montero should DH.

  101. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Betsy – The yankees were not “trying” to win that game. There is no reason to have expected them to win, they were not even remotely trying to hold the 7 run lead.

  102. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Ledger_Yankees Feels like the morning after an epic party. Baseball this time of year is cool like that. #nyy

  103. Giuseppe Franco September 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Good grief.

    People were rooting for the Rays because they were rooting AGAINST the Red Sox. It’s as simple as that – nothing more.

    I would imagine that most Yankee fans realize the Rays are better than the Red Sox and they wouldn’t be an easier match up should they square off in the ALCS.

  104. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    MLB network is a joke – I’m glad I never watch it anymore………criticizing the Yankees for preparing their own team for the post-season by not pitching Mo or Robertson. Save the criticism for the Sox, who could have put the Rays away with just one win at any point this month

  105. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Kate, I will never understand rooting for the Yankees to lose – people screaming with joy over their Soriano giving up a 3 run HR, jumping up and down because the Yankees blew a lead, unhappy when a Yankee had the temerity to actually try to do good things. Never.

  106. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    …and they lacked the ability to win 2 games in a row after the AS break.

    ——————————–

    Not true. I think that streak started in late Aug.

  107. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    ID, well even if I felt that way, I don’t know if I like that or not. I despise tanking games.

  108. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    “Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:25 am
    I agree with Matthews”

    …lunacy loves company…

  109. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Valverde was in there last night for Detroit, because they were still playing to have home field in the ALDS round. With a win by Detroit which they did and a lose by the Rangers which they did not, Detroit would’ve played at home on Friday.

    Point being they actually had an incentive to win last night NY did not. Very key difference in why one team used their closer and one team did not.

    Phillies are not playing there starters either last night if they had to start the playoffs on Saturday. With two days off Manuel wanted to play his guys. Just like Girardi throw all of his top relievers on Tuesday. Again two days off before the postseason starts for the Yankees.

    This all doesn’t seem to hard to figure out. Some of these so called “experts” refuse to invoke any common sense when their mic is turned on.

  110. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I am listening to WEEI right now and they played a clip of someone( Not sure who) saying God has a plan and his plan was for us to not make the playoffs. What a complete cop out

    ——–

    That was A Gon.

  111. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    If the Phillies started on Friday not Saturday*

  112. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Spend money and make the playoffs, right??

    johnmanuelba John Manuel
    It’s not all about $$ (via @richardjustice) Top 10 payrolls out of playoffs: BOS (3), LAA (4), CWS (5), CHC (6), NYM (7), SF (8), MIN (9).

  113. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    richardjustice Richard Justice
    by johnmanuelba
    MLB playoff teams by payroll rank: NY (1), Phil (2), Det (10), StL (11), Tex (13), Milw (17), Arizona (25), Tampa (29).

  114. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    ” people screaming with joy over their Soriano giving up a 3 run HR, jumping up and down because the Yankees blew a lead,”

    ——————————————-

    Were you at a bar or someplace? :wink:

    I wasn’t rooting for the Yanks to lose and yeah it was annoying to see some in here just constantly trying to prove their fandom last night (cough,cough) but last night’s over and it’s time to focus on tomorrow night and/or talk smack about the Sox.

  115. Don Vito A. Bellamo September 29th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Championship Series will be Yankees over Rangers and Brewers over Cardinals.

    Then, Yankees over Brewers in WS and Championship #28! BOOK IT, DAN-O ! :-)

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “Wonder if Tito gets fired? Red Sox Nation calling for his head — and Epstein’s — this morning. Would Epstein really leave for the Cubs?”

    JM, I listened to Theo last night and unless he’s planning to fire himself I can’t see how his comments could mean anyone but Tito. He said there would have to be massive changes top to bottom “including in the organization”. Maybe they are holding Tito responsible. You know when the greatest collapse in the history of baseball takes place, someone is going to take the hit.

    ******************

    HOW ABOUT THOSE SHOWALTERS?????

    :) :) :)

    *****************

    Whoever asked about the “It wasn’t in God’s plan” comment – it was Agon.

    ****************

    I’m blown away by last night, as much the symmetry between certain happenings while both teams were playing (Rays and Sux) as anything else. Bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, 2 strikes – and the beginning of hell night.

    I’m thrilled the Sux are out of it, though not surprised since they were such weak sisters it wasn’t funny. I’m someone who believes what I see with my eyes, not all of the general statements that people throw out that amount to nothing in terms of the reality.

    *****************

    Before the season even began I predicted the Sux would come in third at best. :) So did Yankeefeminist. We were thought to be crazy.

    ****************

    J Al – thank you for your post to Gary. Girardi, Chad, and the rest of the free world acknowledged that last night was an important game only to the Rays. You have to wonder how long some of these people have been following the Yankees because newer posters perhaps would have no understanding of the intensity of the rivalry with the Sux.

    ****************

    Since I still pick the Yankees to take it all, their first round competition wasn’t going to be of any moment to me. Bring ‘em on.

  117. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Betsy
    I would never root against the Yankees. That said, I am not disappointed to see the red sox not even sniff the PS. IMO, if the game meant something other than a tune up for the PS, the Yankees would have won.

  118. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Yeah, I love how even the Sox articles killing them say how they were the best team in the AL for months……..that’s why whenever they looked to be drawing away, the Yankees would always come back to overtake them

  119. Bryan September 29th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    True Yankee fans showed their colors last night

    What a great night to be a Yankee fan

    Long live Scott Proctor

  120. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Kate, I’m not talking about you – and I guess it just wasn’t important enough for me to see the Sox out. Whatever at this point, though.

  121. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    FakePeteGammons What I’ll do in days to come is talk positively about how good this all was for the game of baseball while I torture my gimp at home.

  122. NYYROC September 29th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Probably isn’t going to be much of a factor but I do not follow the rationale for putting AJ in the pen. For 3 months the NYY couldn’t resolve the 6 man rotation and one of the reasons was AJ has no pen experience. Yet now he is in the pen for the PS?
    At the same time PH is on the bubble. Why? He has pen experience, the main reason the NYY kept mentioning that as a possible 6 into 5 solution.
    Plus in their last 10 appearances (was conveniently available on website) PH is 4-2; 43 IP, 37 H, 14 BB, 31K and 3.98 ERA.
    AJ is 3-2; 47.2 IP, 61H, 20 BB, 50 Ks and 6.99 ERA. Aside form Ks PH is better. AJ has put 30 more runners on over that time span. With his propensity for WP that is a recipe for disaster.
    Must be the $16 million.

  123. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Yanks will sweep. That is all

  124. champ809 September 29th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Jesus should definitely be the DH against Verlander as he’s really the only hitter on the roster not named Cano that can handle and elite fastball like Verlander’s and Posada definitely has a slider speed bat at this point….

  125. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    NYYRoc, I don’t think Hughes is on the bubble – AJ is going to be the long man, something Phil is not physically prepared to do. But really, unless the SP is not good, the only relievers you’ll see are Soriano, Robertson and Mo.

  126. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    FakePeteGammons This would all hurt a lot less if Murder She Wrote was still on CBS.

  127. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    nyyroc – They weren’t exactly trying to “resolve” the 6-man rotation, they were trying to figure out which starter would emerge by letting them all continue to start. Burnett’s bullpen experience was not a factor in that decision.

  128. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Does WEEI not use a tape delay?

    Some guy just called and was complaining about Papi and his f’n rap videos he did.

  129. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    WEEI is great right now.

    Someone just called in and was upset that there are couches and stuff in their spring training clubhouse. Saying that “Papi is doing F-ing cartwheels in the clubhouse” lol.

    By the way the F word somehow got by the dump button and was clear as day on the radio. What an absolute disaster in Beantown. I LOVE IT

  130. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    apparently Aaron Boone visited the Sox clubhouse prior to the game, lol

  131. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Does WEEI not use a tape delay?

    Some guy just called and was complaining about Papi and his f’n rap videos he did.

    ——-

    Yeah that’s what it was rap videos. Glad you heard that too Triple Short. Pretty funny, huh?

    By the way I think the Roster for teams in the ALDS had to be submitted by 10am est time this morning to the league office. So I think the roster is already set. Obviously won’t find out till Joe meets with the media at the workout today at YS.

  132. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    LOL Betsy, Aaron Boone strikes again!

  133. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    This is all a direct influence of the pro-flopper him self… Ric Flair.

  134. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Wally mathews is hilarious

    If last night had been a playoff game……Price would have started vs Betances and the Yankees would have won 7-0.

    It was meaningless for the Yankees and they earned the right to give their best relivers 2 days off before game 1.

    Im sorry……but the current system gives the divisional winners zero advantage once the playoffs start so they should be able to line things up the way they want for the postseason.

    The Sox played horribly in September and that’s what they lost…….

  135. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Erin says:
    September 29, 2011 at 10:48 am
    FakePeteGammons This would all hurt a lot less if Murder She Wrote was still on CBS.

    ——————————

    Referencing B-grade TV shows from the 80′s?

    Hmmm… Maybe it is G-Love. :wink:

  136. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Nobody can knock the Yankees for the players they played. We gave the Red Sox plenty of gifts, it’s not NY’s fault they couldn’t capitalize.

  137. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Kate, Aaron bleeping Boone and and now Robert bleeping Andino, lol.

    per Dan Shaughnessy:

    Sos are the “poster boys for the Heimlich maneuver”.

    I’m really happy the Sox collapsed, I’m just a bit concerned about the Yankees. I am allowing myself to revel in their misery, however (the Sox, that is).

    I don’t get why Francona should be gone – he’s a very good manager. I guess Theo is out.

  138. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Bronx Jeers- yeah, I think blake may be on to something there. ;)

  139. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    UnKnown,

    I’m loving it. I find WEEI a much better listen then WFAN anyway

  140. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    When you lose 5 of 7 to the Orioles….you have nobody to blame but yourself.

  141. PacoDooley September 29th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    My picks:

    Yankees in 5
    Texas in 4
    Phillies in 3
    Brewers in 5

  142. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Blake, what I agree with is that Ayala and Wade will be in the post-season and they didn’t do well.

    As far as I’m concerned, any criticism of the Yankees is ridiculous. We had nothing to play for last week, but we took care of business against the Rays and Sox, possibly seriously damaging their chances to get into the post-season. I was annoyed when I thought Robertson might come in – Joe handled the bullpen properly to be sure. Maybe Hughes could have pitched another inning – in fact, I think he should have. The thing is, Charlie Manuel didn’t rest his players – but that’s his option. If anyone has any complaints about the lack of integrity, they should be directed to Jose Reyes.

  143. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I think Francona is in a similar position to Torre. You can’t fire the whole team, so the manager takes the fall (if this actually happens).

  144. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    the Red Sox had opportunities all September long to ensure they finished in the WC. I didn’t realize this, but learned on the radio this morning that the Rays beat the RS 6 out of 7 September meetings. The REd Sox very much had their fate in their own hands. Plus, the Yankees beat the Rays 3 of 4 in New York last week. And the Red Sox did not capitalize on that.

    To say the Yankees in some way gifted the Rays the WC is terribly weak, missing the point and shifting the blame.

    I was incredulous to hear Rob Dibble and whoever his partner is this morning – with Rob Dibble actually praising the Red Sox because LAST SEASON Francona managed a worse team to within 6 games of the Yankees (who finished in the WC slot) ignoring the fact that 6 games behind the Yankees was out of the playoffs. To his credit, Dibble’s partner pointed out that all the money spent by the REd Sox over the winter netted them one more win over last season – and the same 3rd place finish.

    Then then went on to criticize the Yankees and Brian Cashman in order to make a case for Francona and Theo staying in in theirs jobs. Some people know no bounds in trying to dress the Red Sox up like a princess. Sorry, not falling for that. The emperor has no clothes.

    The Red Sox had no depth, never had any depth, especially with regard to their pitching. Dice K and Buchholz were out long before the trade deadline, and Lackey stunk it up most of the season, and yet they did nothing to shore up their starting pitching at the deadline because they looked at the standings and decided they were the best team in baseball and didn’t have to do a thing.

    But the funniest thing is that this is the pitching staff that was the deepest in all of baseball according to the “experts” on ESPN and other places. For this alone, Theo deserves to lose his job. Not Francona – the manager can only work with what he’s been given. Though, there were some who said Francona stuck with trying to get Wakefield his 200th a little too long. That may be true, but who else would have pitched in place of Wakefield anyway?

    I am looking forward to the playoffs. Can’t wait for the Yankees to take the field tomorrow night against the Tigers. I’m excited by this Yankees team, warts and all.

    I also am curious to see how the Rays/Rangers series goes, because it is a rematch from last season, when the Rays were the favorites.

    Hey, did you all realize that that the Rays have been involved in the post season for the last 4 years?????? How did that happen????

  145. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    I guess Theo is out.

    —————————

    Theo is very very close to the Henry family much like Cash is here. I would be shocked if they let him go. Tito is another story

  146. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    If Ayala is even on the roster he will be the last option…..Wade will be the 5th or 6th and he gave up a solo homer……big deal.

  147. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Ah, but the Phillies have an extra day off, and so an extra day of rest.

  148. pat September 29th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Manuel had the luxury of 2 days between the end of the season and the start of the DS. Girardi didn’t have that luxury so the situation is different for using players.

  149. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Dibble is the dumbest and most uninformed guy on either radio or TV…..besides maybe Mitch Williams.

  150. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Ok how about some roster guesses?

    Starting lineup: (9)

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Cano 2B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Teixeira 1B
    Swisher RF
    Posada DH
    Martin C
    Gardner LF

    Bench: (5)

    Montero
    Jones
    Chavez
    Nunez
    Dickerson

    Starting Pitchers: (3)

    Sabathia
    Nova
    Garcia

    Bullpen: (8)

    Rivera
    Robertson
    Soriano
    Hughes
    Ayala
    Wade
    Logan
    Burnett

    In my opinion Colon will not be on the roster for the ALDS which actually might be a good thing. Give him a week off to rest and recuperate then he can come back strong for the ALCS and World Series

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    “Yanks will sweep. That is all”

    BINGO!

    *******************

    I pray that the passion play is over and I don’t have to read one more comment about we rowdy “not real Yankee fans” and how someone would never root against the Yankees. I could probably name every poster on this forum who would never root against the Yankees since I read so many repeat posts from posters who would never root against the Yankees! We get it. You all would never root against the Yankees and those of us who did are not real Yankee fans.

    Hopefully we can move on.

    :)

    That collapse was the greatest thing in the world.

    I have named the episode the Ortizian Karmady. It’s a story about a little boy who got caught stealing milkshakes and refuses to admit it. The moral of the story is that if you cheat and then lie about it, it will come back to bite you in the butt when you least expect it!

    I am definitely dancing the happy dance today!!!!!

  152. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    think Francona is in a similar position to Torre. You can?t fire the whole team, so the manager takes the fall (if this actually happens).

    —————————————————-

    If it is similar then Torre should have been gone in 2004. Instead he survived in 04 and 05 and 06. Also don’t forget he was still offered a contract after 07. Sox had won the world series as recently as 2007. Sometimes things happen but I think Theo is more to blame for the lack of depth then Tito

  153. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Actually, I believe CHarlie Manuel did rest his players during that 8 game losing streak. Same as Girardi though, I believe he rested a few at a time. I think he did a good job with it. Rested his guys right off the bat, and then put ‘em all back in for the last few games to get them recharged.

    The Yankees clinched a little later. I think in general Girardi did a pretty good job of balancing rest with keeping sharp and he lined up is bullpen very well.

    With Hughes in the bullpen, Ayala quite possibly won’t get much use at all, and perhaps Wade, as well. Logan had a real good stretch this season where he was lights out. I think he needs to talk with ARod again! LOL

  154. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Erin September 29th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Yes I think the Cards are destined to win! They can hit any pitcher & their pitching is good enough to handle the Phillies IMO.

  155. NYJim September 29th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    It’s kinda funny that a lot of the talking heads are so down on the Yankees defense this year. Granted, as a team, the Yanks have committed 102 errors (6th best in the AL). Tampa is best in the AL with 73. When you dig deeper into the Yankees stats, 20 were attributed to Nunez (backup filling in for an injured Arod and probably will get reduced playing time), 6 were attributed to Cervelli (inuured back up who will not go to the ALDS), and 5 were from Pena (backup who may not make the post season squad). Adjusting for these 31 errors, and assuming that someone else might have made a few lieu of these guys, the Yanks are actually right up there with some of the best defenses in the AL. Give our defense some justice sports writers!

    Also, the Tigers have one more error this season than the Yanks, but when you dig deeper into those numbers we find the Tigers leaders in errors are Raburn with 17 (starting LF) and Cabrera with 13 (starting 1B). The Rangers have even more team errors with 114–Adrus with 25, Beltre with 11 and Kinsler with 11 (this is their starting infield, people!!)

  156. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    theo will just crawl out of the wreckage and sign on with the cubs.

  157. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Trisha
    We are all “real” Yankee fans. That doesn’t mean we all have to agree on every situation. We all want what is best for our team, which is #28.

    Many on this board thought the red sox were a flawed team from day 1. Many speculated that A-gon and Crawford were not an improvement over Vmart and Beltre, and that there were problems w/ the sox pitching staff.

  158. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    And one more comment about anyone blaming the Yankees for the Red Sox missing the playoffs – if the Red Sox took care of their own business last night, they’d have their fate in their own hands today.

  159. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    “Yanks will sweep. That is all”

    BINGO!

    Glad we are on the same page trish!

    And about rooting against the Yanks the last few days. I couldn’t do it, but I was conflicted. I wasn’t upset when they lost on tuesday, or gave up the lead last night… but I wasn’t happy? It was very confusing!

  160. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    nyjim 20 or our errors were nunez, who is unlikely to see any significant time in the field in the PS

  161. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Erin September 29th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    LOL! I heard that this morning on Mike & Mike! It was good!

  162. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    My guess is they release Theo from his contract and he goes to Chicago to be the Cubs GM. I think Francona is safe (for now anyway)

  163. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Villa Nova, the fact that they had to think about making a deal with some team for a pitcher to just pitch one game tells you all you need to know about the pitching depth. Great post.

  164. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    NYJim -

    I love your deeper research!!! The numbers within the numbers!!!! :)

  165. brownies September 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I will give proctor a standing ovation at next years old timers day!

  166. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    The Sox did win 2 WS under Theo’s watch…….does he deserve to be let go?

  167. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    YESNetwork Dellin Betances admits to nerves last night, is “kinda happy” Red Sox are out. VIDEO: http://bit.ly/nM6NfD

  168. brownies September 29th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Theo can bring Moneyball to chicago!

  169. 108 stitches September 29th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    All the listless Socks needed to do was win 1 more game either in the bandbox or in Tropicana Field during September and the Orioles impact wouldn’t have made a difference.
    Blaming the Yankees is pure gibberish. They are what they are. An overhyped, overrated roster of excuse makers. They won’t get over this season anytime soon. The media will remind them for years.

  170. Erin September 29th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Ray-and is it still stuck in your head?? ;)

  171. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Betsy -

    Absolutely. To think that that system had no one to bring up, like the Yankees brought up Nova last season to help out when Pettitte was hurt, is, to me, something that should lead to a GM being dismissed. He allowed that situation to occur.

    I believe the REd Sox thought they could wallop their way through. And the did for most of the season. But when the pitching gets as thin as it did, even a tremendous offense can’t cover all the time. The Yankees went through that, too, though at least the Yankees got into the playoffs.

  172. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Yes I think the Cards are destined to win! They can hit any pitcher & their pitching is good enough to handle the Phillies IMO.

    —————————————————

    I couldn’t disagree more. Their lineup is basically Pujols Holliday (Who is hurt) and Berkman.
    They also only have one pitcher in Carp who isn’t an elite guy imo. I would be surprised if it goes more then 4 games

  173. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    Only 3 relievers really count; the others are interchangeable…….

    As to the offense, I don’t expect much from Alex, so others are going to have to pick up the slack. Swisher is going to have to do a lot better than he has in previous post-seasons …….to name one.

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    “If it is similar then Torre should have been gone in 2004. Instead he survived in 04 and 05 and 06. Also don’t forget he was still offered a contract after 07. Sox had won the world series as recently as 2007. Sometimes things happen but I think Theo is more to blame for the lack of depth then Tito”

    The difference however is that Saint Joe was still beloved in NY and a huge presence with the NY press. Tito doesn’t have the same cachet in beantown. Plus Torre had all of those World Series wins and postseason appearances as garlic to ward of the vampires.

    Unless Theo is thinking of tendering his resignation, I will be stunned if there isn’t a change in the organizational structure there only because he was doggedly determined in his mentioning it last night.

    Before I heard Theo addressing the press, I was positive they would never can Tito for what I agree is certainly more Theo’s making. After I heard him I was positive that Tito is gone.

  175. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I was a little bummed that Betances didn’t pitch longer. I think Girardi saw he was too effective and had to take him out to give the Rays a chance. I guess Tex never got the memo to lose this game.

  176. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    firing tito and sending theo packing would not be good moves for the socks imo, but beantown is way too wrapped up in dread and recrimination to take the long-term view. i think tito is gone (pabe said he thought tito sounded like he was gone) and theo takes off for greener pastures.

  177. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Villa, yeah – not a good job, but it’s really all a matter of luck. Cashman got lucky with Garcia and Colon this year – will they be as good (wherever they are) next year?

    Agonzalez is a joke- his quotes are sitcom-worthy.

  178. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    The difference however is that Saint Joe was still beloved in NY and a huge presence with the NY press. Tito doesn’t have the same cachet in beantown.

    Just speaks to the idiocy of the Boston fanbase. Francona is the guy that gave you two world series after decades of NOTHING. And they hate him? How crazy is that?

    Francona is actually a really good manager, I like him.

  179. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Francona is out. What’s the old saying, Can’t fire all the players so the Manager goes…

  180. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Betsy,

    I know that’s the argument they’re using for keeping THeo and Francona. But let me ask you, if it was just a matter of the injuries, I’d say, yes, you keep them. But it was not having any depth in the system to help out when the pitching went down with those injuries. They had mroe than enough offense. And Francona is a good manager and a class individual. But Theo emptied his system, spent a ton of money, and got exactly one more win out of it this year over last.

    That’s why I say Theo should be the “scapegoat” if there is one. But it’s usually the manager.

    And the Red Sox missed the playoffs for two consecutive years and were eliminated in the first round the year before. So it’s WS or bust for the Red Sox, in a way.

  181. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Now that his Master Plan for the 2011 Red Sox has been completed, God can finally move on to more important things – like the NFL.

  182. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    What do Aaron Boone, Bucky Dent & Scott Proctor all have in common? All 3 eliminated Boston! LOL!

  183. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Gonzalez comments after the game are probably the most pathetic comments anyone had after this collapse. From Pete’s blog:

    Asked what he saw from the team this month, Gonzalez stayed on his theme.

    “God didn’t have it in the cards for us,” he said.

    On Tuesday, when I asked him about the collapse of the team, Gonzalez blamed the schedule, not the Almighty.

    “We play too many night games on getaway days and get into places at 4 in the morning,” Gonzalez said. “This has been my toughest season physically because of that. We play a lot of night games on Sunday for television and that those things take a lot out of you.”

    I told Gonzalez that teams like the Red Sox and Yankees have long had those challenges, it’s part of playing for a high-profile team.

    “Why does it have to be?” he said. “They can put the Padres on ESPN, too. The schedule really hurt us. Nobody is really reporting that.”

    ——-

    Really Gonzo blaming it on the schedule too. Yeah get used to it buddy.

  184. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Erin September 29th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Yes it is! And I am still smiling over it!!! LOL!

  185. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Villa, I agree the GM is always more at fault than the manager, but I think the Sox ownership is not going to hold off on making any decisions now until emotions have calmed down. After that, we’ll see. I don’t know that Theo should be fired- like Cashman, he’s had his good times and his bad. He’s not the savior that the media makes him out to be, but he’s still pretty good. Francona has to stay

  186. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Theo is one of the best GM’s in baseball, the same can be said for Francona as a manager. If this collapse causes them to be fired, it will be a real plus for the Yankees.

  187. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    I’m sure most of you hate him, but this is pretty funny from Bill Simmons’ running diary of the game last night:

    7:23 — Down 7-3, Evan Longoria (an absolute beast this month) smacks a three-run homer. My god. It’s a 7-6 ballgame. Leave it to the Yankees to stick it to the Red Sox yet again. They took out six starters and went through eight pitchers already. It’s like they planned ahead of time, “Let’s get an early lead, then we’ll slowly throw the game and it will take every Red Sox fan three innings to realize it. We will WRECK THEM.” It’s working.

    7:32 — I’m just eating. I’m eating everything in sight.

    7:39 — Somebody named Greg Golson flies out to end the top of the ninth — he looks like one of the fake Yankees who played against Billy Chapel’s team in For Love of the Game. He might be an actor. I’m not even kidding.

    7:42 — No Mariano Rivera for the bottom of the ninth. Daniel and I have this exchange:

    Daniel (confident): “I’m OK with Cory Wade closing this out.”
    Me: (staring at him in disbelief)
    Daniel: “What, you’re not OK with Cory Wade?”

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....y-game-162

  188. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    So blame God for the Sox’ poor play? WTH? LOL………as Shaugnessy also said in his column, yeah, “that will go over well with the Nation”. I’m not a religious person, but using the higher power as some kind of an excuse is pretty asinine……I think God has more important things to do than worry about the results of baseball games.

    Maybe had he stayed in SD, he wouldn’t have to worry about playing too many Sunday night games – wow, what a baby.

  189. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Theo is good – one of the best? I guess if you think Cashman is one of the best.

  190. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Betsy -

    Indeed some luck is involved, but if you do your due diligence and you get the right guys, you increase your luck quotient. Cashman I believe had several scouts look at Colon in addition to Tony Pena. Garcia was probably less of a risk, given his particular skill set and circumstances.

    And, there were pitchers in the system who could have been brought up. Noesi could have been a starter rather than a long man; there were at least 2 other pitchers at SWB who may have been able to contribute.

    And I’m not concerned how Colon and Garcia do next year, unless they’re still with the Yankees. The Yankees managed to get a lot more than even they anticipated from both of them, which helped this year. We’ll see about how next year might develop starting in the off-season.

    At the very least, the Yankees have a few internal options should Colon/Garcia not return.

  191. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    People on here might have thought that the Red Sox were flawed and that they might not have won the division and they lacked depth but I doubt anyone thought that Lackey would have an ERA of epic proportions or Laptops would miss basically the whole year. Did anyone see Lester collapsing down the stretch? Did anyone really think Boston would miss the playoffs all together this year?

  192. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    CC
    At one point I was watching on espn instead of YES, which had the Rays feed. When Girardi was making all the pitching changes, one of the commentators said Girardi was slowly torturing them.

  193. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Theo is good – one of the best? I guess if you think Cashman is one of the best.

    Yep.

    Billy Beane, Theo, Cash, AA in Toronto is getting up there, a few others

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    “Glad we are on the same page trish!

    And about rooting against the Yanks the last few days. I couldn’t do it, but I was conflicted. I wasn’t upset when they lost on tuesday, or gave up the lead last night… but I wasn’t happy? It was very confusing!”

    Patrick, I absolutely understand anyone who couldn’t root against the Yankees! I’d be crazy not to understand that kind of fan thinking! And you live closer to the Rays than I do – not sure where – so I don’t know if that plays into it. I would never trash someone who felt they couldn’t root against the Yanks or who felt conflicted about it.

    You know me well. You know that I am never thrown by Yankee losses ever. So even if the Yankees were playing a team with no interest in the postseason for the last three games and the Yanks lost those games it STILL would’t bother me. If it was a last-place team, I’d be happy for them because I like team validation. You know I’m a little crazy that way. :) AND THE GAMES WERE MEANINGLESS!

    But the kicker was that those of us who say the last three games as meaningless and desperately wanted the Sux to crash and burn (you know where I live) and knew the only way that could happen was for the Rays to take some games, well we not afforded the same understanding and respect, you know agree to disagree. Instead we were accused of treason of the highest order and our punishment was to have the same disgruntled posters repeat their indignation over and over and over and over and over – and then show up in the morning to tell everyone how terrible we were – and come back and hammer us at night.

    WTF is up with that? Every person who rooted for the Rays to take that game has been on this forum rooting for the Yankees the entire season.

    But anyway, ONWARD AND UPWARD!!!

    And hey, remember I said the Sux would finish in third place, highest before the season even began????? HA HA HA HA HA!

    Well I say they’re going to take it all.

    I think I’ll back the Brewers and Cards and then the Brewers. I like the Brewers. (My NL picks are always on emotion)

    I don’t care about the AL ’cause the Yanks are the titans in this picture.

  195. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Gonzalez already has next year’s excuse ready: “The Force just wasn’t with us.”

  196. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Oh and Friedman with the Rays is an amazing GM too. Jon Daniels is excellent.

    Some of the worst GM’s are Bill Smith, Dayton Moore, Ned Colletti.. Sabean is up there too

  197. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Basically last night it boiled down to the Red Sox needing to beat the AL East bottom team to continue and they couldn’t hold a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 9th. It was fitting that Scutaroo was sent home by a stupid 3B coaching decision and was thrown out. It was super fitting that the next Beantown goat, Crawford, couldn’t come up with a catch or a safe on his feet catch & throw home to allow 1 more batter for Papelbohn to try to get out for another inning to seek a victory.

    The RSox just need a mirror to see who blew this season!

  198. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Gonzalez already has next year’s excuse ready: “The Force just wasn’t with us.”

    That could be a fun game, guess what Gonzalez’s next excuse will be.

    “Gossip Girls was cancelled, it threw the entire team off”

  199. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    No kidding Betsy. What did the guy expect. The same guy who was pumped up at his introductory press conference to “Stick to the Yankees” haha

  200. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    getting into gonzalez’s feelings about god’s master plan is off limits in my book.

    the thing about the scheduling is bogus though

  201. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Theo is a very good GM, but I think he miscalculated a few things this season. But it was the media the crowned the Red Sox king before a game was played and with a cursory look at the team’s facade.

    I dont’ know that Theo or Tito will be let go or allowed to leave or whatever. But in Theo’s situation, a case can be made that he was negligent with regard to the farm system and with regard to not making sure he got a better pitcher at the trade deadline. I don’t think Francona should be let go, but it won’t surprise me if he is. Am I wrong in thinking this is a contract year for both of them and that a decision has to be made, sort of in a timely manner?

    And I do think that Cashman and Epstein are among the better GMs. They are both in high profile positions where every move is dissected under a microscope. The money they have to work with makes them more susceptible to criticism and sometimes works against them. Some of Cashman’s better work has been on low contract situations. Hey, the Mets have money. How did their old GM do? It’s not all about the money. It’s knowing how to use it, and most of the time, both Theo and Cash do well for their teams.

  202. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Villa, that’s all true………….and I love Garcia and want him back; he’d be the perfect #4 starter

  203. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    I don’t think Theo’s to blame. Sometimes free agent signings don’t work out. We should be familiar with that.

    Pete said that Tito sounded like a guy that knew his time had come albeit he admitted that the context was also probably a factor in Tito’s tone. Apart from the injuries and the SP imploding, they also just simply played bad baseball. Ultimately, that’s on the manager.

    Pete also said that Papelbon was non-committal when asked about his desire to return to the Sox. One would think that the feeling’s mutual.

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    “Did anyone really think Boston would miss the playoffs all together this year?”

    I did. Yankefem did. Our posts from before the season began are prominently displayed somewhere on lohud!

    I honestly thought the Rays had the pitching to get the job done and finish in front of the Sux. I doubted the Sux rotation from jump street because I saw that DiceK was pretty finished, same with Lackey, and Beckett has an inconsistent season in 2010. I was never sold on Lester. Bucholz was the one pitcher I thought might be consistent for them. And then their bullpen had imploded in 2010 so I didn’t see that as a threat.

    Though people probably don’t believe it because Sux hatred is my general mantra, I actually do assess team strengths and weaknesses. And though I might downgrade them automatically, I still see what they are all about. I follow their season and watch many if not most of their games because of where I live.

    I don’t see how you can make good assessments about a team without really paying attention to it.

  205. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    And shame on AGon for blaming the schedule!!!!

  206. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Did anyone else think it is kind of neat that the two worst collapses occured this season to two teams with Boston roots? Red Sox & old Boston Braves! LOL! Sweet Caroline!

  207. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    A Gon is blaming the schedule now?

    Good grief. This guy has a different excuse every minute.

  208. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    getting into gonzalez?s feelings about god?s master plan is off limits in my book.

    ————————————————

    What does this mean?

  209. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:29 am
    “Did anyone really think Boston would miss the playoffs all together this year?”

    Just for the record, I did too! I picked Beantown 3rd before the season.

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    “Well I say they’re going to take it all”

    That would be the Yankees of course.

  211. Bryan September 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    New Monuments for Monument Park:

    Soriano
    Ayala
    Wade
    Proctor

    and….. ANDINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  212. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    RayVT – I remember you doing that now!!!

    :)

    I think Bojo did also.

  213. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Kyle Lohse is starting game 1 for the Cards. Does anyone in their right mind think the Cards have a chance in that series?

  214. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    The Red Sox haven’t won a playoff game since 2008.

    Tito is a pretty good manager but I think his time has come and gone in Boston.

  215. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Actually I don’t have an issue with AGones statement. It was a deflection. What’s he going to say? Beckett blew it? Lester blew it? Lackey Blew it? Baard blew it?

    The hitters basically hit well enough for them to win. The pitching was a disaster.

  216. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Cashman is one of the best……a lot of teams have high payrolls…..only one essentially never misses the playoffs. Cashman has this organization in great shape for the future.

    The collapse was a lot more on Theo than Francona ….

    If they want to fire somebody……try the strength and conditioning coach…….they are a fat and out of shape team.

  217. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “I did. Yankefem did. Our posts from before the season began are prominently displayed somewhere on lohud!”

    I almost considered looking back in the archives for some posts I made about the 2011 Rays back before the season started. Everyone was talking about how they were a 3rd or 4th place team, but with that pitching and the young players they have, I didn’t count them out.

    “Villa, that’s all true………….and I love Garcia and want him back; he’d be the perfect #4 starter”

    I’d definitely consider that. Nova, Sabathia, Burnett are locks in the rotation for obvious reasons. Hughes is probably one too, but I am not as sure about him. Freddy would fit nicely, he is a master at getting everything out of his diminished stuff. Colon is done, he won’t be back.

    C.J. Wilson is the big starter on the market but I would not pay him big bucks, no way.

    Then I think one spot in the rotation will be filled by Betances, Baneulos or Noesi. All 3 are actually better prospects than Nova, before he had this great 2011, so imagine how good they can be for us.

  218. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Betsy – How many times has a Cashman team missed the playoffs?

  219. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    “New Monuments for Monument Park:

    Soriano
    Ayala
    Wade
    Proctor

    and….. ANDINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”

    :lol:

    Hey I’d be happy with just one of Buck! And he kind of could belong there since he managed the Yanks at one point!!!

  220. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    phils sweep
    yanks in 4
    tampa in 5
    brewers in 5

  221. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Well gotta race. Errands to do and WEEI to blast in my car!!!!!

    :)

    Kruk called it. So did Schilling. Credit to them for figuring out the obvious, ha ha.

  222. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    The only things Id criticize Tito for are 1) sticking with Wakefield so long 2) pitching Bard into the ground.

    Other than that……im not sure what you do with Lackey, Bedard, and Weiland.

  223. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Definitely Friedman and Daniels – the Rays pitching is unbelievably good and deep. Every one of their pitchers seems to do well and they seem to find kids with not just great arms, but great repertoires, as well. It’s vital that the Yankees find similar success with their kids……….enough with the AJs already

  224. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Hi my friend!! Yes I think you are right. I took a lot of flack about it too. LOL! I also picked the RSox last year to finnish 3rd, only I said it was behind the Yanks & Toronto. So not quite. But this year I said Yanks 1st & Tampa 2nd. I still like the way that sounds.

    Could happen to a nicer team. Also, wasn’t it sweet that Buck got to drive the last nail! LOL! Especially after his rant before the season started about the RSox & Theo! LOL! Sweet Caroline!

  225. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Let’s not fool ourselves with how lucky Garcia has been this year.

    Hopefully the Yankees take this opportunity with Joba to try to bring him back as a starter, he should be back around mid-May next season. There will be a healthy competition for the 4/5 spots next spring between Hughes/B’s/some random FA… but like this year and every other proves, you can NEVER have enough starting pitching.

  226. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Towers is good too……he’s done a phenomenal job this year.

  227. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    I just need to respond once here and that’s it.

    It was not the rooting for the Red Sox to blow it. It was being over-joyous in the Yankees doing anything poorly in the last 3 games (or 7 if you count the RS series), and the ridiculous trashing of Yankees players for doing anything well in the last 3-7 games (like Teixeira last night on the plus, and Soriano on Tuesday on the minus). It was calling Girardi an idiot for everything imaginable, depending on the personal agenda of any particular poster.

    I would venture a guess that many, if not most, Yankees fans are thrilled the Red Sox are not going to be in the playoffs this season. It’s just very bizarre to say the least to come to a Yankee fan blog and read posts applauding Soriano for blowing a save, chastising hitters for getting big hits. And if a comment was made pointing out the bizarre nature of the posts, getting a lecture.

    Most people I think are more concerned with the Yankees winning than the Red Sox losing, but the latter overtook this space. It is the first time I can remember where a fan rooting for the Yankees to win felt out of place here.

  228. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Agon has put his foot in his mouth over and over again. First he blamed the injuries (ok, losing Buccholz was big, but we lost Alex for over a month)………..he said that they would have won the division with Clay and Matsuzaka. Right – because the Yankees would have just gone away. For a guy who came into the rivalry about 4 seconds ago, he sure has a lot to say

  229. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    The Sox did more to not make the playoffs then the Rays did to make it. What was the Rays Sept record like 15 -11. The hitting like it was supposed to be was pretty bad this season. Shields gave them a historic season which nobody could have predicted. As far as the Rays starters go Yes they had Price but Hellickson was going into his first full year and Shields has never been this type of pitcher

  230. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Theo is a good GM, but hsi track record on signing FA’s is very bad.

    As far as spending money, the 3rd through 9th highest payrolls this yr all missed the playoffs.

  231. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Cabrera at YS scares me more than Verlander…..can’t let him beat you.

  232. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I personally can’t believe A Gon had the stones to say that Ayala got squeezed.

    He wasn’t even playing in the game!

  233. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    The Rays have had top #1 draft picks for like forever! If they didn’t have some quality SP then they are to blame! Also, the offered contracts to folks leaving & got more picks. They sacrificed years of quality teams for a long run of great potential. They still lack a fanbase & hitters.

    What they did would never fly in NY or Beantown.

  234. Doc Iac September 29th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    After the billion athletes who thank God when they win, I give props to A-Gonz for being the only one who blames Him when they lose!

  235. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Hopefully the Yankees take this opportunity with Joba to try to bring him back as a starter, he should be back around mid-May next season.

    ————————————————–

    Totally agree but I think the only way he comes back as a starter is if they trade him. Since Bard has devloped a third pitch I heard they are going to try him as a starter next year. Smart move imo

  236. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Didn’t take Gonzo long to start whining like a true Red Sock…….

  237. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Patrick, yep. I think Hughes will get half a year or so to show something and if he doesn’t, I can see Noesi replacing him……and that’s if Noesi isn’t already truly competing for a spot himself.

    AJ, CC, Nova, Garcia……..Hughes/Noesi. Betances and Banuelos aren’t ready. I do wish Noesi had been allowed to start (in the minors, granted) this year – he didn’t throw many innings this year and he was mostly wasted in his role. I’m not one to say Noesi or whomever will be better than Nova based on minor league stats because things change – pitchers grow and develop or they don’t. I think it is very important that one of Betances/Banuelos develop (at least one) into a frontline starter. After that, we just need one or two of the others to be pretty good…..

  238. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Why was Garcia lucky? In any case, he doesn’t have to be as good next year – he’s still a very solid veteran and given the shaky nature of the potential rotation, he’s a guy that’s pretty necessary.

  239. Bronx Jeers September 29th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    I will say this though…. Some in here last night were blasting Girardi because the Yanks were winning.

    One of them was CR. If you’re on the same page as that idiot you’ve got problems.

  240. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Let’s not fool ourselves with how lucky Garcia has been this year.

    ——————–

    How has Garcia been lucky this year?

  241. 4 train September 29th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    yo betsy know it all chic. didn’t the yankees lose their 18 game winner. the hughes kid was going to be the no. 2 dude. surprised to see you here today being that your red sux and mets are history. go light some candles betsy chic.

  242. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Gonzalez also offered up this gem last night:

    “Daisuke [Matsuzaka], you have him in the rotation all year long, that’s 10 more victories. We probably win the division.”

    Sox win 100 games with a healthy Walter Johnson, err…I mean Dice-K.

  243. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Villa, that’s how I felt last night. It was like the Twilight Zone, except the TZ wasn’t as bizarre.

  244. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Don’t attempt to understate their injuries as if they don’t make things harder even on deeper teams.

    Losing 2 starters from your rotation (Buchholz and Matsuzaka), and an important reliever (Jenks) in addition to losing Youkilis for over a month is a huge deal (does 2008 ring a bell?). It forced them to make a bad trade for Bedard (lack of better options) and remove more prospects from their system in an attempt to stay competitive.

  245. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Ray, I don’t care about the fanbase – that has nothing to do with my point. Even if you are correct, that still doesn’t mean that they have to have a near perfect strike rate with all these pitchers. By the way, they’ve been good for several years now, so this idea that they are only good at drafting because of being so bad is rather out of date

  246. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Betances and Banuelos aren’t ready

    Unfortunately I think you’re right about this. I’m still holding out hope that one of them comes to Spring Training and blows Girardi away and makes the team.

    And I do agree about Noesi, I think he was misused this year. He should have stayed in AAA and started every 5th day. As we saw, mop up guys in the bullpen are a dime a dozen, freaking Aaron Laffey gets that job done..

  247. jpb173 September 29th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    When Scott Proctor came on to pitch last night, I knew HOW the game was going to end…I just didn’t know WHEN it would end.

  248. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    The Red Sox are going to drive the price sky high on CC if the Yankees let him reach the open markrt

  249. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    The Rays also seem to know what they’re doing once they get their draft picks, and not just their top draft picks.

    They know how to work the system, too, I think, with getting arbitration picks, no?

    The Rays are a well-run organization. And they are proof that you don’t have to be a big market team to succeed. I don’t think you can call them a fluke. However, we’ll have to see what happens in the next few years when the draft picks weren’t as high and the crowds stay this small at the Trop.

    One of the things they’ve been able to use to their advantage is trading players before they’re ready to make big money and getting some veterans in return which help stabilize the team to a degree, and replacing them with high-end prospects. They manage to avoid the large salaries. They are a very interesting team. And they have the exact right manager for it.

    Look at the Pirates and other teams that consistently get high draft picks and make nothing of them.

  250. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    LGY – Below career HR/FB and BB rates… his ERA could easily have been a half a run higher or more. it’s not lot he has great stuff, or has pitched like this at all in recent seasons. How was he not lucky?

  251. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Betsy -

    True. But even I have to admit that once it got into extra innings, I just wanted it to be over. LOL

  252. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Right, every year the Sox can blame their problems on injuries. Losing Buchholz was huge, but Matsuzaka? No way……….and the Yankees lost Alex for a long time. They didn’t have anyone from the farm who could at least replace Matsuzaka – that’s on them.

  253. jpb173 September 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Don’t attempt to understate their injuries as if they don’t make things harder even on deeper teams.

    Losing 2 starters from your rotation (Buchholz and Matsuzaka), and an important reliever (Jenks) in addition to losing Youkilis for over a month is a huge deal (does 2008 ring a bell?). It forced them to make a bad trade for Bedard (lack of better options) and remove more prospects from their system in an attempt to stay competitive.

    ==============================================

    Nine games up with twenty five to play…I’m sorry but I’m not buying the injuries excuse.

  254. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Villa, me too!

  255. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Manny B needs a full year at. SWB……they need to give Noesi a real shot next year.

  256. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Injuries?

    A-rod, Jeter, Hughes, Soriano, Chavez, Chamberlain, Marte, Feliciano, who else am I missing?

    allstar starting 3B, allstar starting SS, #2 starter, 8th inning guy, bench player, set up reliever, 2 lefty specialists.

    The Yankees had their fair share of injuries, the difference is, the Yankees are a deeper team than the Red Sox.

  257. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Maybe if the Red Sox weren’t so fat they wouldn’t get hurt so much.

  258. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Patrick, Banuelos is just a kid – Betances, less so, but still very young. I don’t have this overwhelming urge to see them – when they are ready, they’re ready. Just seeing Betances, I think he’s going to need a lot of work in terms of his control. He might be one of those who doesn’t really get it right until his late 20′s in part because of how big he is.

  259. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    LGY – Below career HR/FB and BB rates… his ERA could easily have been a half a run higher or more. it’s not lot he has great stuff, or has pitched like this at all in recent seasons. How was he not lucky?

    ———————

    How can you even compare his statistics to previous seasons?

    He has completely reinvented himself over the past 2 years. It’s like comparing two different pitchers.

    Garcia has transformed himself and perfected his junk balling. He wasn’t lucky this season.

  260. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Patrick, yep- a total waste of resources with Noesi. That’s a part of the reason I’m not a huge Cashman fan.

  261. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Betsy – Matt Moore is their latest great callup, but he was drafted in 2007… the last time the Rays were dead last and awful. Draft picks generally don’t move up through your system in 3-4 years… so it’s impossible to know if they are actually still “drafting well”. if they remain competitive for another 3 years without spending lots of money, then you will know.

  262. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Betsy,

    You know me, I’m extremely optimistic. I’m also a freak when it comes to prospects. I can’t wait for these guys to make it to the big leagues for good.

    Betances impressed me last night but yeah you’re right, he’s not ready. Neither is Manny B. I think both are a lot closer than you think though.

  263. pat September 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Niemann gets Game 1 start for Rays

  264. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    i was surprised by cashman’s crowing about driving up the price on crawford when the red socks will have the chance to return the favor with cc this offseason.

  265. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    ID

    Matt Moore was drafted in the 8th round.

  266. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    “Billy Beane, Theo, Cash, AA in Toronto is getting up there, a few others”

    the tampa gm must be doing something right to beat the red sox on that team salary.

  267. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    i dont think either guy will be ready out of ST but by the ASB, they will be in play.

  268. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    That’s right – we didn’t have Feliciano at all and Joba missed most of the season. I totally forgot about Chavez………

  269. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    jpb – It’s not an excuse, but you can’t write it off either. They lost in september because their pitching tanked, not because of injuries. Could easily be a result of being overworked and thin coming into September though.

  270. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Banuelos could hold his own in NY next year……but I think he needs another year to build innings and learn how to pitch a little more……he still nibbles around too much and doesn’t throw enough strikes. He’s the one they have to get right……he’s only 20.

  271. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    on mlb they were speculating that the cubs might prefer to get tampa’s gm over theo.

  272. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    That’s why they absolutely can’t let CC get to free agency. They have to approach him BEFORE he opts out.

  273. jpb173 September 29th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    i was surprised by cashman’s crowing about driving up the price on crawford when the red socks will have the chance to return the favor with cc this offseason.

    ============================================

    If the Red Sox want to drive the price up the price for CC (beyond his current salary/years) then they can have him. There’s no guarantee that Sabathia will be as dominant in 3 years.

  274. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Matt Moore: 8th round
    Hellickson: 4th round
    Shields: 16th round

    It’s not all drafting high. That’s crazy good drafting and development.

  275. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    LGY – Making him the last drafted Ray to get called up… What’s your point? Unless you think drafting David Price was some brilliant organizational move that wouldn’t have panned out for anyone else…

  276. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    How about Golson last night getting picked off of 3rd on the ground ball by Posada. Oofta…

  277. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Friedman ia very good…….my guess is that he trades Wade Davis for a bat this winter.

  278. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Shouldn’t the game times for Saturdays games be released soon. All 4 teams are decided…

    Come on MLB

  279. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Ys
    I heard that Friedman has a small part ownership in the Rays. Don’t know if that is really true or not tho.

  280. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    ID, that’s true, but you still expect that some top draft picks won’t make it……… Either way, it won’t be a huge deal unless the Yankees’ youngsters don’t do well. If they do, then I won’t worry about the Rays.

    Patrick, I hope you’re right. I’ve learned never to assume too much, though. I thought that Joba and Phil would be anchoring our rotation, or close to it, by now. I think my favorite prospect might be Mason Williams – in part because I want to see the Yanks develop some position players.

  281. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    The Rays have had top #1 draft picks for like forever! If they didn?t have some quality SP then they are to blame!

    —————————————————————-

    See that is what a lot of people think but most of their pitchers were not even first rounders.

    Matt Moore,Shields,Hellickson

    The only first rounder has been Price. On the position player side just Longoria and Upton

  282. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    “It’s crazy just to see this going on,” Betances said. “Obviously I love New York, I’m a fan and now being here, I’m kind of happy to see Boston go out.”

    ——-

    The kids learn at an early age.

  283. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    francona would be smart to grab the chicago job where he already has organizational ties.

    don’t wait to be fired .

    the pressure on francona would be tremendous next year if he stays with the red sox trying to make sure they don’t miss the playoffs three years in a row.

  284. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    I used to think Tampa was only good because they drafted early for years……Nope they know shat they are doing down there…….lucky for us their fans stink and they generate no money.

  285. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Just a premier lefty and just the best 3B in baseball… those are some nice gifts for losing.

  286. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Blake, why do you say that? You know there’s more to pitching than just having good stuff – lots of pitchers have good stuff. AT 20, and with not even a great year this year behind him, I don’t know that Banuelos could hold his own yet. They need to get more than him right ………..otherwise there will be questions as to whether this organization can develop young pitching. That said, I do not blame the Yankees for Joba or Phil.

  287. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Jennings: 18th round

  288. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Francona won’t be unemployed long if he’s let go. He could change the color of his Sox.

  289. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    I’m still annoyed at CC for proclaiming from the mount more than once that he would not opt out and now he will. I really HATE the idea of giving this guy another 3 or 4 years and having to pay him in a few years when he’s on the downside. As it is, he was mediocre for close to 2 months.

  290. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    chad taking the day off ? (after his pennant-race vacation?) pretty nice gig. getting paid to write nothing that wasnt spoon-fed to him and posted elsewhere way before he gets around to it.

  291. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Thanks ID! I concur!

  292. 4 train September 29th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    betsy chic. do you ever shutup. on and on with your bullcrap.

  293. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Betsy,

    Did you read my post? Hold his own doesn’t mean win 20 games……I said he needs another season at SWB to poliship up……

  294. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    betsy chic. do you ever shutup. on and on with your bullcrap.

    ———————————————-

    Unlike you who have never added anything to the conversation other then your overuse of the word chic and dude and the inability to ever complete a proper sentence

  295. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Fake Peter Gammons @FakePeteGammons
    I can’t blame Carl Crawford because Theo told me he was best defensive LF in game. Regardless of outcome I will stand by preseason hype!

    1 hour ago via web

  296. RayVT September 29th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I posted this some time back:

    I agree Doreen that the Pirates have been abysmal, but as I noted above that from 1997 to 2006 the Pirates only had 1 pick lower than # 8 overall.

    During that same time interval Tampa Bay had 7 picks lower than # 8 overall.
    2006 ? #1 Evan Longoria 3B (#3 overall)
    2005 – #1 Wade Townsend P (#8 overall)
    2004 ? #1 Jeff Niemann P (#4 overall)
    2003 ? #1 Delmon Young OF (#1 overall) (Traded for Garza SP & Bartlett SS)
    2002 ? #1 B.J. Upton SS CF (#2 overall)
    2001 – #1 Dewon Brazelton P (#3 overall)
    2000 – #1 Rocco Baldelli OF (#6 overall)
    1999 ? #1 Josh Hamilton OF (#1 overall) ? Let him go!
    1998 No #1
    1997 #1 was #31 overall

    Also had 2007 ? #1 David Price (#1 overall)

    So while Pirates had 1 pick lower than #8 overall, TB had 7 lower than #8 and also had the #1 pick in 2007 to boot! Those numbers of top picks could help anyone be good!!!

    TB 1st round picks:
    2007 – #1 David Price (#1 overall)
    2006 – #1 Evan Longoria 3B (#3 overall)
    2004 – #1 Jeff Niemann P (#4 overall)
    2004 – #2 Reid Brignac SS (#45 overall)
    2003 – #1 Delmon Young OF (#1 overall) (Traded for Garza SP & Bartlett SS)
    2002 – #1 B.J. Upton SS CF (#2 overall)
    1999 – #1 Josh Hamilton OF (#1 overall) – Let him go!
    1999 – #2 Carl Crawford OF (#52 overall)

    So basically from a 1st or 2nd Round perspective only:

    SP – David Price
    SP – Jeff Niemann
    2B – Reid Brignac
    SS – Jason Bartlett
    3B – Evan Longoria
    LF – Carl Crawford
    CF – B.J. Upton

    And the scary thing is that Josh Hamilton could have been on this team too!

  297. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Wow Blake…….whatever

  298. Kelvin September 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Anyone bashing CC is just absurd. If he opts out its a smart financial decision for his family. He’ll be back and be rewarded and the yankees will be happy to have him back.

  299. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    ill wait and see how cc does this postseason, but if he opts out, the yankees need to explore all options including bringing him back. i dont like the back end of that contract as it stands now (nothing against cc personally) and if its gonna cost more it may not be worth it.

    when you look at the arod contract you really really have to pause before signing a contract for now that can potentially really hurt us so severely down the road.

  300. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    By the way, I’m not an idiot Blake – I know exactly what holding ones own means and I still disagree. Have a nice day.

  301. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    I’m still annoyed at CC for proclaiming from the mount more than once that he would not opt out and now he will

    How do you know that? Oh, right… you don’t.

  302. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Really? Well wake me up when he doesn’t opt out…………

  303. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman 3 hours ellsbury, pedroia & scutaro can hold their heads high today. the others, not so much. #collapse

    SI_JonHeyman 3 hours wonder which collapse a-gon thinks was worse: 2010 pads or 2011 red sox. i gotta go with the sox

  304. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    it used to be that you read the posts to get the latest news and then read the comments for fun,now you have to read the comments section to get any news as the posters ALWAYS scoop chad, then maybe bother to read the post which is more fluff that you found on google news 3 hours ago.

  305. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Betsy – Don’t say you know something when you clearly don’t.

  306. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    ID, don’t lecture me when everyone on this blog is talking as if it’s a guarantee that CC opts out.

  307. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=mlb

    Alot of edges given to the Tigers that I don’t agree with. Particularly at SS and 3b. Even without a healthy Arod, I would think Nunez and Chavez are better then Betemit, (yes that Betemit) and Inge.

  308. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    or “couldn’t know” i guess i should say.

    If you aren’t worrying about one thing, it’s instantly something else. Do you get off on worrying? That’s what it seems like. The game wasn’t over for 3 minute last night and you were already “worried” that they lost a game with the AAA all stars pitching…

  309. Yogi Mantle September 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Anyone know where GB7 is? Haven’t seen any posts from him which seems unusual.

  310. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    The post we are on now is unique work by Chad. He’s probably been traveling all morning Id imagine.

  311. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I love this:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/t.....News_links

    Not only is he coming off the worst season a Red Sox starting pitcher has ever submitted, but he’s a miserable, dim, finger-pointing, unaccountable wretch of a teammate, and those may be his good qualities.

  312. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Betsy – It’s a smart move, but it is by no means a guarantee. Especially when the man himself has specifically stated otherwise.

    A lot of things were a guaruntee around here this year. Garcia/Colon would be busts, Crawford and A-Gon made the Sox unbeatable, Girardi and Cashman don’t know what they are doing… yet time proves these people who are “so certain” wrong again and again.

  313. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I think CC will opt out if the Yankees don’t go to him and negotiate first

  314. 4 train September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    yes betsy chic you are an idiot.

  315. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    “I was wrong.

    The 2011 Red Sox are not the greatest team that ever was. They are the greatest team that never was.

    In January, I predicted that the 2011 Red Sox could be the next 1927 Yankees. They were more like the 2007 Mets. Instead of celebrating a championship for the ages, the 2011 Red Sox had a collapse for the record books and will be remembered for all the wrong reasons”

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/09/20.....story.html

  316. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Gammons on WEEI: “My heart aches.”

  317. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Betsy – everyone that responds to you is not lecturing you. maybe you wouldn’t feel that way if you were willing to accept someone else’s opinion, rather than desperately clinging to your own. You need to relax.

  318. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    But maybe CC has some Jared Weaver in him and just decides to play his deal out…..who knows. If he performs the Yanks will take care of him either way when the deal is over.

  319. YES September 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    The Yankees gave CC an opt out option to relieve his anxiety over coming to N.Y. in case he was unhappy here, not so he can try to cash in for more $$.

    Yankees still owe him 4 more years at $23 million per yr. or $92 million in total. To make him happy I might give him another yr. at $25 million, but not more than that.

    That would keep him here for another 5 years until the age of 36 and make it a total of $117 million for the next 5 yrs. How many teams will be able to go much higher than that for a pitcher with alot of innings under his belt who will be in his late 30′s when the contract is over?

    Yankees should try to get CJ Wilson and continue to develop their talented young pitchers like the Rays do. I would not give CC another 7 yrs, I don’t think he will be worth it.

  320. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    ID, I don’t really want to argue…….. but as for me accepting other opinions, that’s a laugh, as I’m always attacked for my own.

  321. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Did Gammons really say his heart aches?

  322. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    blake – That’s what I don’t get. CC has been witness to RedSox collapses first hand… and now he’s going to run there the first chance he gets? When he signed with the Yankee’s it was a monumental decision him and his wife made, and they were very meticulous about making sure they could deal with NY before doing that. Now 3 years on they are just going to pick up shop and move north? I don’t think so.

  323. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    YES, if they give him another 3/4 years, that’s like a 7 year deal – not looking forward to that at all

  324. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    That guy sounds like a dope – predicting any team to be the 1927 Yankees? That’s realistic

  325. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Betsy – No one is trying to argue with you, you are the one that starts the arguements every time but not listening to anyone elses viewpoint. It’s not a laugh, and you are not “attacked” as often as you think you are. You suffer from non-sensical worry-wart syndrome… and as soon as someone says something contrary to what you posted you run and hide or start attacking that person for “attacking” you. Relax.

  326. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    oh yes a very unique post, just the same as everyone else’s unique post about the upcoming series.

  327. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Did Gammons really say his heart aches?

    ——————-

    More than once.

    He’s in a bad place, emotionally, just like the rest of RSN.

  328. Kelvin September 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Your only attacked because its such ridiculous worrying. Everyone loves CC he’s a stand up guy and he performs. He used to acknowledge us as staff even though were only security guards. If he opts out he will be resigned. But your post only ticked me because you brought up that he’s been struggling two months and wouldn’t resign him if he opts based im that. Btw I have no issue with you that’s just my two cents.

  329. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    ID, I’m done. I’m not going to listen to you tell me I’m to blame for all the arguments or that I don’t accept other peoples’ opinions. I hope you have a nice day.

  330. BobK-NH September 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    So blame God for the Sox’ poor play? WTH? LOL………as Shaugnessy also said in his column, yeah, “that will go over well with the Nation”. I’m not a religious person, but using the higher power as some kind of an excuse is pretty asinine……I think God has more important things to do than worry about the results of baseball games.

    ******************************************************
    I thought just about everyone knew that God is a Yankees fan.

  331. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    I’m still 50/50 on CC opting out. It would be the smart thing to do money wise. But we’ll see what happens. What I don’t see him doing is going to the Sox. That won’t happen.

    The Sox drove up the price on Mo and the Yanks did it with Crawford. This stuff is nothing new.

    Noesi gained valuable experience and confidence pitching for the Yanks this yr. Sometimes that’s more important than starting 25 times in AAA (especially since he wont be on an innings limit next yr).

  332. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    I think AGon should go back to the no pressure, no fans, no media attention Padres
    ———

    “We play too many night games on getaway days and get into places at 4 in the morning. This has been my toughest season physically because of that. We play a lot of night games on Sunday for television and that those things take a lot out of you. … They can put the Padres on ESPN, too. The schedule really hurt us. Nobody is really reporting that.”– Adrian Godzalez via Extra Bases

  333. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Betsy – ID, I’m done. I’m not going to listen to you tell me I’m to blame for all the arguments or that I don’t accept other peoples’ opinions. I hope you have a nice day.

    Thank you for proving my point. You are comical.

  334. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “I used to think Tampa was only good because they drafted early for years……Nope they know shat they are doing down there”

    blake-

    this is just a subjective observation of mine, but their minor league coaching is really sharp and on top of things. i was visiting neil allen who was the rays double a pitching coach at the time a few years ago at the rays minor league ST camp. it was a standard four field set up with all the home plates at the center of the four fields.

    i walked around from the A ball team to the triple A workouts and saw all the same drills being worked on like clockwork. i saw some bunting drills i had never seen before. it was two hours before i even had a chance to say hi to neil. when i did, he had just finished working with david price who was on the AA team that year.

    i know neil well and i could tell he was bringing his A game to the coaching. neil likes to have fun , but he was all business. when we did talk, he introduced me to his minor league pitching cordinator( dick bosman) who was head of minor league development and bosman nodded to neil it was ok to go talk for a few minutes. this was spring training.
    teams are usually much more casual. the rays practice was not casual.

    i’ve had tony cloninger when he was a yankee pitching coach and the yankee catcher who i knew walk over to me in a yankees spring training game leaving a pitcher warming up in the bullpen standing there to say hi. this would be normal in spring training with most teams,but you don’t see this with the rays. at least i didn’t.

    i don’t know exactly what goes on there with how they run things at the minor league level, but from what i’ve seen briefly, they get their minor league coaches ultra serious about development. there’s no playing around and it shows in how well their young guys are prepared when they come up.

  335. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    the tampa gm must be doing something right to beat the red sox on that team salary.

    Yep you are right. I missed his name in my original list but added it in a subsequent post. Jon Daniels is excellent as well

  336. 4 train September 29th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    id dude. betsy chic is a whack job. just read her nonsense over the years and you’d know this. just give us a break betsy chic and shut up for a few minutes.

  337. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Captain Clutch – lol… did he really say that?

    Welcome to the spotlight Mr. Gonzalez. No, there’s no where to hide.

  338. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    ID,

    I don’t think there is any chance CC leaves…..only question is whether he wants to have a couple years tacked or not.

    One thing to consider though ias that a decision not to opt out would just further endear him to Yankee fans…….we still talk about Paul Oneal……and that’s something CC might consider

    The Yanks always take care of their own if they perform…..

  339. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Country Club, I don’t agree about Noesi, but either way, he’s very likely going to get his shot next year, either right away or as a mid-season replacement.

  340. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    So what was Agon’s excuse for last year with the Padres? The lack of prime time games?

  341. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    If Gonzalez wants to see what a tough schedule looks like, he should take a look at the Yanks’ schedule from the middle of August on. It was just brutal. Days off? What the hell are those?

    Excuses are for losers.

  342. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Noesi was awful in AAA this year, it’s unlikely he’s going anywhere next season but back there.

  343. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Triple, Agon sounds like a whiner…..but he’s used to losing and that’s a loser mentality.

  344. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    did he really say that?
    ————–

    Yep, here is the link
    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ord_a.html

  345. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Adrian Gonzalez 2011

    vs Yankees: .183/.298/.324
    vs Rays: .131/.293/.279

    Carl Crawford had ZERO RBIs vs the Rays this season.

  346. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Oh yeah Gammons sounds distraught as he possibly can. Geez Peter can on vacay and forget about it you Clown.

  347. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Randy,

    Thanks for that insight ……..they certainly have had some good fortune…..but you make your own luck at times and you don’t nail the development on that many arms without doing something right.

    One of the things I’ve noticed also is how slowly they move prospects…..they get critized for it sometimes but they make sure their guys particularly their pitchers are ready and have their innings before bringing them up…….part of that is so that they get their 6guys prime years before losing them…..but it increases their success date IMO…..

  348. Yogi Mantle September 29th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    I heard a call in to MLB radio who claimed to be a Yankee fan saying that the RS should be talking to CC’s agent right now to push him to opt out. That the RS should sign CC no matter what the cost. They should also get Prince Fielder signed as DH.

    With as weak a field as it is for starting pitchers, it wouldn’t shock me if CC opted out. I hope it doesn’t happen, as he seems happy to be in pinstripes and has said about wanting to be like Jeter having multiple rings with the Yankees.

    I could see Cashman talking to CC prior to the decision and making an offer to extend the current deal, or sweeten it. The Yankees aren’t going to want to see CC leave. I don’t think they can afford him to leave.

  349. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    The “curly haired boyfriend” Shaughnessy is going to be public enemy number 1 in Boston. Guaranteed Red Sox victory during the rain delay yesterday with the 3-2 lead and the Yankee’s up 7-0 in the 8th.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....lb-wp21403

  350. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Why hasn’t this dbag 4 train been banned yet?

  351. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Poor P. Gammons :(

  352. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Yogi – Yes, a thousand times Yes. I would like to see them extend CC a year or two without getting to the “opt out”. Extensions are not exactly Yankee’s/Cashman’s thing though.

  353. kd September 29th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    the red sox spent close to 300 million last year on two players, agon and crawford. agon had a career year with the bat and still wasn’t enough, crawford had the opposite year. next year, if they return to their normal selves, it’s a push from those two.

    pedrioa is what he is. they need a short stop badly, iglesias is not the answer. they may spend big on reyes. the real question is youk, can he play third again? if not who do they sign? remember, no laird in their system. no nunez. no pena. maybe they over pay chavez.

    papi, papelbon, two starters. theo’s got a lot of work to do

    it’s a good time to be in pinstripes

  354. pat September 29th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Blake

    One bad year and all the “endeared” fans would turn on him like a rabid dog.

    I’ll bet he wouldn’t begrudge me asking my boss for a raise so I’m okay with him asking his for one. :wink:

  355. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....kes-again/

    1 in 278 million chance of Boston missing the playoffs.

  356. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    kd – Don’t forget that as of today, Ortiz is a 36-year-old FA DH.

  357. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    The “curly haired boyfriend” Shaughnessy is going to be public enemy number 1 in Boston. Guaranteed Red Sox victory during the rain delay yesterday with the 3-2 lead and the Yankee’s up 7-0 in the 8th.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl…..lb-wp21403

    ———

    I love that big smile that idiot had on his face. Just classic.

  358. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Noesi was awful in AAA this year, it’s unlikely he’s going anywhere next season but back there.

    ———

    ??

  359. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Pat,

    I don’t have a problem with it either……but you don’t think Yankee fans wouldn’t appreciate it and remember if if he didn’t? I think they would ……

  360. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Country Club – 1.5 whip, 6k/9 and 3bb/9 isn’t exactly where you would want him… he produced basically the same numbers in AAA last year after he was brought up from AA, and the same numbers in his major league stint.

  361. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    kd – Don’t forget that as of today, Ortiz is a 36-year-old FA DH.

    And Papelbon (despite blowing it yesterday), is the only dependable bullpen arm they have and he too is a FA. After the September Bard had, do you really trust him to close next year? Heck no.

  362. pat September 29th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Quotes from Alex, Joe, Tex, Derek, Longoria and Maddon after last nights game.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....razy-night

  363. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Be very interesting to see what happens with Ortiz and Papelbon……they don’t sniff 90 wins without those two this year.

  364. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    … and don’t look now, but Youkilis hasn’t played a full season since 2008.

  365. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    No team that started 0-6 or 2-10 has still ever made the playoffs

  366. pat September 29th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Blake

    You give them more credit than I do. Too many seem to have a what have you done for me lately mentality to have long memories.

  367. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Youks probably coukd be chronic……they could let Papi walk ans DH Youk but then they have automatically worsened their team…….they’d have to get somebody to play 3rd

  368. blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Pat,

    I think there is a vocal minority that gives the real fans a bad name in that regard

  369. RadioKev September 29th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    There’s a 0% chance that CC will end up anywhere but with the Yankees. Cashman and ownership wouldn’t allow it. It’s not a chance, there’s no probability, because it just won’t happen.

    They’ll overpay for a guy that’s been damn near worth every dollar of his original contract.

    ————

    blake September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    Be very interesting to see what happens with Ortiz and Papelbon……they don’t sniff 90 wins without those two this year.

    I think the Sox will let Papelbon walk. Theo loves trying to be clever, and a moneyball game suggests that closers aren’t worth their contracts.

    I think they’ll offer Ortiz a one or two year contract, but he might get a better offer somewhere else. (Rays anyone?)

  370. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....y-failure/

    Good stuff. Especially at the end of the article.

  371. yanks 27 September 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    A-Rod also went on with Mike and the Mad Dog back in 07 and said he was “absolutely 100% not opting out”.

    It’s the fans fault for being naive enough to take athletes at their world. They all want $$.

  372. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    i think bard’s collapse has thrown uncertainty into the paps situation. i think most people thought the socks would just let paps go, but after the last couple of weeks are re-thinking that.

  373. CountryClub September 29th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    ID,

    I think you’re reading way too much into his stats. His 2010 AAA experience was all of 18 innings. And this yr in the majors he worked out of the pen for the first time in his life and was used inconsistently.

    To be clear, I’m not saying he’s most likely anything more than a 4 or 5 (and to be honest, I think he may get traded this winter). But he has solid stuff and he’s shown the ability to miss bats.

  374. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    my feeling on big mega long term contracts is if a team can’t afford to walk away from the last few years of a contract turned bad, they can’t afford too do the contract in the first place.

    the yankees even have not felt like they could walk away from a bad contract when it goes bad. giambi and now aj.

    i think with the red sox flaming out with crawford and lackey and being stuck with them for a very long time, we may see a shift in long term contracts .

    i would say even the yankees team needs to push away from the long term mega contract table with only a few players like CC getting the back end years.

    if CC opts out , i’d seriously think of letting him walk. i’d let him know ahead of time that if he opts out , the yankees would not participate so he might not get as much in that market .

    the red sox bidding a CC auction up? maybe, maybe not after what’s happened with them this year with free agents.

  375. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Here’s the kicker in Eric Ortiz’s Red Sox wil challenge ’27 Yanks for title of Greatest Team Ever”:

    “Every day should feel like Christmas for Curt Young, the new Red Sox pitching coach. The former A’s pitching coach didn’t have anything close to the horses he has now, and Oakland’s staff posted a 3.56 ERA last season, the best in the American League and fourth-best in the majors. Imagine what he can do with a Grade A collection of arms.”

    He was right about one thing:

    “The Red Sox possess all the pieces to have a season for the ages,” and…. “…do more than take their place on Immortality Peak….”

    LOL.

  376. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
    … and don’t look now, but Youkilis hasn’t played a full season since 2008.
    ———————————————————————-
    arod hasnt since 2007. both teams need to consider thier 3b situations in the offseason.

  377. RadioKev September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    yanks 27 September 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
    A-Rod also went on with Mike and the Mad Dog back in 07 and said he was “absolutely 100% not opting out”.

    It’s the fans fault for being naive enough to take athletes at their world. They all want $$.

    ————

    Gosh, I swear SJ was ranting about Cliff Lee signing for top $ for a certain team…I don’t really remember how that worked out…

  378. kd September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    id, you are correct

    i think they sign papi to a one year deal. if he refuses, then i hate to say it, but perhaps prince fielder? they’ll at least kick the tires on him or pujols, less likely albert because he’ll still want to play first.

    they probably have a lot more than they spend. i also think that desperation pieces like bedard, and some of their kids are not going to be given a shot. they definitely make a run at freddy. cj wilson? in fenway? let them have him.

    i hope they don’t sign prince

  379. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    “i think most people thought the socks would just let paps go, but after the last couple of weeks are re-thinking that.”
    ysguy-

    but after last night , the red sox are rethinking their rethinking :)

  380. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    yanks 27 – Anyone that believed a Boras client wouldn’t opt out after an MVP season was only fooling themselves. I don’t think you’d get much of an argument that A-Rod has always been looked at as a kind of a tool either… CC is a very different person in a very different situation, IMO. I could see him requesting the extension so he doesn’t have to publicly opt out. Something like that never crosses Boras’ mind.

  381. Joe from Long Island September 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    A few observations –

    1. I thought it was very apparent that Joe Girarid had no real interest in winning that game last night, and that he was using it to a)rest people b)get some others some playing time in the last game of season for them c)hoping no one got hurt. He accomplished all three goals. The ultimate game result was disappointing, to be sure, but of no real consequence to the Yankees.

    2. Say what you want about Pete A., but he makes the players human. And, his observations in Extra Bases this morning, about the difference between Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez, was enlightening.

    3. randy’s right, Tito needs to look around before he gets the axe. Chicago might be in his future.

    4. While Tito could only use the players Theo gave him, it was on his watch that the collapse happened.

    5. Having said (4), Theo bears most of the responsibility, not only for ML roster but lack of organizational depth. Say what you want about Cash, but when Alex, Jeter, Hughes, Joba, Soriano went down, there was a Chavez, Nunez, Colon, Garcia, Wade, Ayala to plug in.

    6. Friedman does a nice job. However, you have to credit the players who kept at it. They didn’t give up and lose sight of the prize. And I am even more impressed by Longoria. The guy delivers. Contrast that with a couple of guys in Boston

    7. You also have to credit Maddon. Much as I think he’s overblown, he kept a young team’s spirits up. His tricks – dress-ups, letterman sweaters, etc. – may seem silly, and they are, but they worked for a young team. Probably wouldn’t fly on a veteran team, but for the Rays, it’s perfect.

    8. Maddon bailed out Friedman on the season, for the misplaced idea of keeping Jennings so long in AAA. He should have replaced Sam Fuld as soon as the guy turned back into a pumpkin. I think the Rays surprised Friedman this year, that he miscalculated that they had no chance vs. Yanks and Sox, so he let Jennings stagnate almost too long in AAA.

    9. I hope GB is ok. Hope he’s not back in the hospital.

  382. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    How about Soriano opts out and signs with the Sox?

  383. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    How about Soriano opts out and signs with the Sox?

    Thanks for the first round pick, good luck

  384. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Remember earlier this season when when according to some Yankee fans Beckett and Lestaaah were real Aces while CC was not?

    Good times.

  385. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    “2. Say what you want about Pete A., but he makes the players human. And, his observations in Extra Bases this morning, about the difference between Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez, was enlightening.”

    ==================================================

    like pete or not, his coverage down the stretch put chad to shame. and i was all in favor of chad taking over but he cant hold a candle to pete in getting into the clubhouse and actuallly talking to players, creating relationships with them and getting stuff nobody else got.
    chad does none of that. every quote chad gets is on every other site and seems to have come straight from the postgame podium.

  386. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Anyone else notice that SoSH is now offline?

    When the going gets tough, the not-so-tough pull the plug on the servers, I guess.

  387. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Remember earlier this season when when according to some Yankee fans Beckett and Lestaaah were real Aces while CC was not?

    Good times.

    Lol good one ;)

  388. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    the only way soriano opts out is if he wants out of ny so bad that he takes a big financial hit to do it.

  389. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    LGY – I don’t think we’re that lucky. :/

    I’d bet money on Crawford having a great bounce-back next year. Possibly the contract went to his head in the off-season and he didn’t work as hard? At least he’s handling this collapse like a pro, not like A-Gon.

  390. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Maybe Robert Andino can be the Sox 3B next season. :???:

  391. blake September 29th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I think CC would certainly get more than he’s owed from the Yankees if he opted out and they didn’t partipate. The bidding would be similar as with Lee last year……Texas would jump all over that if Boston didn’t.

  392. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    There is no way CC leaves. No team needs him more than the Yankees, no team has more money than the Yankees, CC likes playing for the Yankees. Done deal

  393. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    And that’s not to say he doesn’t opt out, just that he will re-sign if he does.

  394. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I didn’t realize that CJ Wilson and Sabathia are basically the same age. Makes that an interesting situation. Can we steal Wilson from them? That would be fantastic.

  395. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    It probably takes a while to develop relationships. The guy hasn’t been at it for that long. You’ll notice he’s been more alert on than most of his colleagus on prospects-related stuff, probably because he’s better connnected, having done that for so long.

  396. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Neimann starting game 1 for the Rays.

    Funnier story… Kyle Lohse starting game 1 for the Cardinals.

  397. pat September 29th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Raging thunderstorms happening 10 miles from the Stadium right now.

    Workout plans today might need to be indoors

  398. hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Oh, it was a “season for the ages” alright…

  399. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    I didn’t realize that CJ Wilson and Sabathia are basically the same age. Makes that an interesting situation. Can we steal Wilson from them? That would be fantastic.

    over-rated *clap clap clap-clap-clap*

  400. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    If the Yanks don’t approach CC before he opts out they are morons. Everyone knows it’s going to happen and the Yankees front office gives themselves more headaches than they need for no reason because of their stupid policy or not extending contracts before they end. If they don’t extend his contract and he opts out you can guarantee it’s going to cost them more money once Boston, Texas and maybe the Giants get involved.

  401. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    hardwired7 September 29th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    Oh, it was a “season for the ages” alright…
    ///

    It certainly was :D

  402. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Will the immortal Jose Iglesias take over at SS next year?

    Marco Scutaro has some nice bargaining power after the September he just had.

  403. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Not much overrated about Wilson, don’t know why you would think that. Regardless, is he too over-rated to be the #2?

    Stealing him from Texas/LA/Boston/whoever is very much worth the price of admission.

  404. Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Captain Clutch- – Would CC bat cleanup the days he pitches for the Giants?

  405. Patrick September 29th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    ID,

    I just don’t think Wilson is worth the money he will get.

    Same thing I said about Crawford, Werth, Soriano, Burnett etc.

    Wilson is going to be paid like an ace and he’s not an ace. Pass

  406. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    jap, chad started covering the yankees pretty much the same day pete started covering the red socks. also, sweeney murti, kim jones suzyn waldman have all created relationships with the players that pay off in good insights and stuff you dont get elsewhere. but not chad.

    he also doesnt read the comments quite obviously.

    here’s a hint chad, over 400 comments on the monring-after post. people are hungry for yankees info and reflection about last night, not just the quotes from the press table. others are feeding the desires of their followers while here….nothing.

    maybe if he ever read the comments he would get some kind of a feel for how to do this job.

  407. ET September 29th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Yu Darvish > Wilson

  408. Jacques Strappe September 29th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I have to admit I was rooting for the Yanks to lose from the time the wild card standings became deadlocked with 3 games to go.

    Given that the Yanks had clinched and were probably fine with losing (oops excuse me .. ‘conserving’) over the final 3 games, while Boston could be miserably eliminated in epic style, I figgered it was acceptable to hope for these results without having to turn in my ANSKY card.
    The timing & sway of the endings last night could not have been more dramatic.

    Interesting how none of my friends who live in that alternate dimension (or dementia?) called ‘Sox Nation’ haven’t returned any of my e-mails this morning.

    Beuller?

    Beuller?

    Beuller?

  409. blake September 29th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Hopefully the Red Sox will press the panic button and sign Reyes for 180 millions bucks.

  410. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Ryen Russilo just bummed on teh Scott Van Pelt show. LOVING IT…

    Oh man this day is great.

  411. blake September 29th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    YU Darvish is most definitely not > than CJ Wilson right now…….short term I would much rather have Wilson. Yanks should offer him a 1/30 deal.

  412. UnKnown September 29th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Literally these Choke Sux honks have tears coming out of their eyes.

  413. BX33 September 29th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Sox are going to be huge spenders this winter. Don’t be surprised if they get some combination of Reyes/Fielder/Pujols/Wilson/Darvish/Beltran

    Plus be in the trade market for guys like Kemp, Danks, Hernandez, Gio Gonzalez, Cain, Ethier, etc. They are going to be VERY active this winter to ensure this doesn’t happen again. They will look like a brand new team this year. They will learn from the Mets that you can’t just sit back after a collapse and changes must be made.

    I’m sure they will figure out a way to eat the contract of Lackey plus hey have Drew, Matsuzaka, Ortiz, Cameron, etc. coming off the books.

    I’m thrilled that they collapsed, but expect them to be hell this winter and next season.

  414. blake September 29th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    FakePeteGammons 40 mins My heart truly does ache. Haven’t felt this bad since seeing the Dudley gets molested episode of Different Strokes. This is Peter Gammons.

  415. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Ys Guy, I don’t follow Pete Abe’s Sox coverage of Boston, so I wouldn’t know how to compare. But he’s been on the MLB longer. I have no strong opinion of Chad’s coverage in general, I’m just saying he hasn’t been at it all that long. To be honest, I’m more interested in hearing from my fellow Yankee fans than reading anything but factual updates.

    The comments section has been completely ignored. Someone in the Lohud organization should have the regular posters’ backs. Some of the stuff that gets through here, and repeatedly from the same twisted posters, is a joke. I don’t know who is asleep at the wheel on that, and whether it’s Chad’s baby to keep things in order. Someone’s messing up.

  416. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I hope the Yanks can figure out a good game plan on how to get Cabrera out. He has been extremely hot recently.

  417. blake September 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I would make Vmart beat me in any big spot…..especially at YS. Cabrera is like the finished product of Montero and is extremely dangerous to that short porch.

  418. Ys Guy September 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    just the fact that chad went on vacation in september speaks volumes to me

  419. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    1. Can I have a link to Extra Bases? People talk about it all the time but I haven’t ever read it.

    2. Sometimes things that people come up with amaze me so much that I come back with an emphatic response. That’s how sure I am that they are so wrong in their thinking! Now when I do that I obviously risk having it blow up in my face, since your words are there once you publish them But I will take the plunge here and say

    CC SABATHIA WILL NEVER SIGN WITH ANY TEAM OTHER THAN THE YANKEES

    It is beyond ludicrous to even think it’s a possibility. However the deal is done, it will be done.

    ****************

    I’m still fascinated by the interplay of the Rays and Orioles games last night. If you were inclined to believe in higher-power orchestration – or baseball gods somewhere tucked away in a parallel universe – or the universe bringing about order – or even plain karma – you’d have to be scratching your head at the way both games played out. Did you know that Pedroia and Tex hit homers simultaneously? How about the bottom of the 9th, with 2 out and 2 strikes? I get chills thinking about it. Bottom of the 9th, 2 out, 2 strikes, and both games end up in ties. Seriously what are the chances of that happening almost ever? How about the chances of it happening in two games that are interdependent? It is freaky. Again I get chills thinking about it.

    Almost to a sportscaster, last night is at the top of their list in baseball moments. Of course another former beantown team collapse was happening at the same time. And their collapse was also of monumental proportion.

    Gammons said that a collapse like last night could leave a team “never the same” and he mentioned several teams that were never the same after some monumental event.

    I’m loving it because it was this enormous collapse. I’m like “oh goody goody” but the implications for that team because of the enormity of the collapse are pretty staggering. Happy it’s them and not us. EEI broadcasters were saying that there is no part of that Sux team or organization that is not suspect, and they included every coach, the base running coach, and the administration.

  420. Jerkface September 29th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    just the fact that chad went on vacation in september speaks volumes to me

    Its called a furlough and its mandatory for the press due to budget restrictions in a dying industry.

  421. Jacques Strappe September 29th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    I haven’t been keeping an eye on his rebound from surgery or his contract status but I read this morning that Johan Santana may be on the market this winter.

    Keep CC from leaving, stick with Supernova & Hughes, bring up Banuelos for that 5th spot, and either sign Santana (if he’s getting back to who he was) or keep Colon?

    If they think Colon just needs time to improve his stamina in order to maintain his old form for a whole season, he’s already here. Of course if Santana’s never going to be the same then don’t bring him in. I’m just not sure what either might be like next year.

    AJ? There’s no doubt the guy can have terrific stuff at times. But I have little faith in his consistency. If the powers that be insist, give him a shot at the beginning of the year. But when he’s 2-4 with a 4.65 ERA in mid May, maybe that’s when you bring Banuelos up & give AJ a choice between the bullpen, going along with a trade, or being released.

  422. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    trisha, I think what Gammons meant to say was that he will never be the same.

  423. PagsandRags September 29th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    I have a bad feeling about this series and karma is a b!tch. After the Yankees absolutely laid down vs. Tampa I can see Tigers in 4.

  424. Jacques Strappe September 29th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    “Gammons said that a collapse like last night could leave a team ‘never the same’ and he mentioned several teams that were never the same after some monumental event.”

    Maybe they already ARE the same … remember we’re talking about the Red Sox.

  425. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Chad does get a huge shout out from me for keeping up his relationship with Mark Newman & bringing us updates on the system. Most reporters just ignore the minors entirely, leading to them saying clueless things about how the future shakes out when they craft their projections.

  426. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Somebody left the screen door in the basement open again.

    Well folks, enjoy the off day.

    trisha, high five & have fun in R.I. (LOL!)

  427. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    I am really tired of this “the Yankees laid down” idea. The Yankees sent out their regular position players, except for A-rod. They scored 7 unanswered runs off Price. Then Girardi started taking his players out, and rightly so. He put in representative relief pitchers. They got hit around. Oh well, that happens. Why would anyone expect him to use D-rob or Mo in a game that meant nothing?

    The only karma I see is the karma that came around from proclaiming the red sox as the greatest team since the ’27 Yankees.

  428. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    “trisha, I think what Gammons meant to say was that he will never be the same.”

    J Al, he has basically said that too! He said he got a text from one of the players – wouldn’t say who – and said the guy told him he was devastated. He said that players like to play up acting like things are okay but they are all devastated.

    Oh well.

    I love the way Chad runs the blog. He does constant updates. I believe we get all the information we need, he doesn’t interfere with us, and if he has something to say in the comment section he does. I get the feeling that he is not in charge of summarily banishing people and that he gets his marching orders from higher on up.

    JMO

  429. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Its a beautiful morning…!!! What is up fellas. Just when you thought the Sox cant choke worse
    than they have in the past. Whalaa!! Seeing Puckerlips put his tail between his legs and ride the pine after the meltdown was priceless.

    BX33,
    I mentioned this yesterday. Is it a bad thing to hope for a boston collapse? Would they hit the panic button this offseason and go grab a pujols wilson and whoever else they can trade for for peanuts. Im going to soak this in and worry about it once we’ve lockup up #28.

    Yes 28 is coming in these upcoming weeks. This team is feisty and finds ways to win. Its been underdogs all year and will continue to shut the medias up HARD.

    GO YANKEES!! and go boston fishing!!

  430. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    The Sox led, 3-2 at 9:33 p.m. when the rain came after the top of the seventh. Meanwhile, the Rays were trailing, 7-0. It was like a biblical interruption. Weird.” dan shaunessy globe

    this is the kind of stuff that makes it really fun to hate the red sox .

    they’ll be talking about this for decades :)

  431. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    “I am really tired of this “the Yankees laid down” idea.”

    They hardly did that. If that were the case, the minute Tex had the audacity to hit a grany, he would have been yanked from the game. The Yankee offense was still hard at work in the 9th and I’m sure Golson didn’t get tagged out at third on purpose.

    The Yankees used 11 pitchers. Only a retread would begin to think that a manager, two days away from the beginning of the postseason, is going to jeopardize anything to win a meaningless game. I’m sure that Wade and Ayala weren’t sent out with the message to give up runs. If Girardi wanted to blow that game he would not sent Jorge out as a pinch hitter late in the game.

  432. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    kate,
    Mitch Williams was on the radio with rome this morning and said he was disappointed with Girardi for not throwing Drob or Mo in last night in the 9th inning. The hate continues. While our very own Aaron bleepin Boone picked the Tigers to oust us in this next round. Here i was really looking forward to listening to what these guys had to say about the chokesox and all i got was
    more of the same Yankee talk.
    Colin Cowherd was the only one bangin on the sox for a whole week now saying that the media made them bigger than they were including who he works for espn in the 80′s. They are not in the Yankee level.

  433. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    PagsandRags. Toddler twin of Red Robin.

    Has anyone seen the Red Red Robbin, bob bob bobbin’ along, along?

    Today must be pizza day in day care because he hasn’t been around. That probably also explains why he was nowhere in sight after the biggest collapse in the history of baseball. Had to get to bed to wake up in time for pizza day at day care.

  434. randy l. September 29th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    after reading that a lot of writers have blamed the red sox collapse on their conditioning program, i have figured out why pedroia jumps in the air at second base for what looks like no apparent reason before every pitch.

    it’s the only way a gritty guy can stay in shape with the lousy pre game workout the red sox do :)

  435. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    The Sox led, 3-2 at 9:33 p.m. when the rain came after the top of the seventh. Meanwhile, the Rays were trailing, 7-0. It was like a biblical interruption. Weird.” dan shaunessy globe

    =======

    The only explanation is both teams entered the twilight zone.

  436. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    SoS, what you’re getting is the embarrassed aftermath of these goons picking the Sux to go all the way. They are certainly not going to give the Yankees any props at this point!

    Everyone knows the strength of the team with the best record in the AL, that record gotten in spite of having to play in the toughest division and thereby having tougher games more of the time than the teams in the weaker divisions.

    Blank ‘em.

  437. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    SOS
    I was listening to round trip (?) on my way to work and someone was saying that the Tigers had used Valverde in their game, so why didn’t Girardi use Mo. Morgan Ensberg jumped all over him, saying that it was stupid to have used Valverde, and Girardi had no obligation to use anyone. He and whoever he is on with were defending the Yankees.

  438. mick September 29th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    The “curly haired boyfriend” Shaughnessy is going to be public enemy number 1 in Boston.
    ==============
    He’s up next with Francesa, who is enjoying “The Collapse” thoroughly.

  439. mick September 29th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    i have figured out why pedroia jumps in the air at second base for what looks like no apparent reason before every pitch.
    ====================
    I thought he was leaping for his Lucky Charms…

  440. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    And don’t expect ESPN of all people to do any more than perfunctory dwelling on the collapse.

    For God sake, their Top Ten Plays of the Day list included a Sux DP (meaning they fielded a DP) as #2 and Longoria’s long shot against the Yanks as #1. Andino’s shot off Papelbum, the thing that sealed the collapse wasn’t even considered worthy of mention anywhere?

    Ready for this? When Lester was interviewed by the press he called Papelbum the best closer in the game. Couldn’t be happier thinking about their misery.

  441. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Wasnt this the second time in a row that the worlds best closer ever by a mile blew the save and sent his sox packing for the winter? 09? I wonder is they will resign him after back to back goat jobs. Not the good goat i must add.

  442. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    “I thought he was leaping for his Lucky Charms…”

    Hysterical!!!

    **************

    “trisha, high five & have fun in R.I. (LOL!)”

    :)

    Talk to you soon!

  443. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Trish and kate,
    The funny part of Mitch Williams nonsence was that he said that the sox had the best assembled team in history from top to bottom. Yeah we’ll never forget them alright.

    It baffles me how these media guys use these terms so loosely. This year the Philly Eagles
    picked up a couple free agents and all of the sudden they are knows as the dream team. It
    just makes those words meaningless when theyr actually merit to them.

  444. mick September 29th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    “I am really tired of this “the Yankees laid down” idea.”
    ===================================
    True. Think of the “proctorization” theory:
    If they were dumping then why use him last Sunday against the greatest team ever assembled.
    All they did was stay consistent with the philosophy of preparing for the bigger prize by using him last night.

  445. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    SoS
    Last year Mitch Williams wrote a column saying the red sox would overtake the Yankees for the WC. He isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

  446. mick September 29th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Last year Mitch Williams wrote a column saying the red sox would overtake the Yankees for the WC. He isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
    ============================
    True. You don’t have to be a member of Mensa to get a job with them.
    Just act kooky and follow instructions.
    Idiocy sells.

  447. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    kate,
    Im starting to think the name Wild Thing isnt the only thing Williams has in common with Sheen.

  448. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Joe in Long Island -

    I heard an excerpt from an interview with Friedman and he outright admitted that he did not foresee his team having any chance to be in the post-season this year. He said that on September 1, they looked at the standings and pretty much figured they’d be playing out the string. So they decided to bring up some players that he said if they were in the chase for a playoff spot he never would ahve brought up.

    I am not familiar enough with the Rays to know which players specifically he was talking about, but it seems that they got some contributions from unexpected places down the stretch (not including from Boston :) )

    ****

    On Mike and Mike this morning, they kept saying that as great as it was that St. Louis and the Rays ended up in the playoffs, that they could only do so because of the monumental crashes of the teams ahead of them. Though I think St. Louis had a really great September, it is true of the Rays. The Rays had a good, but not great September. However, neither team gets the prize unless the Red Sox and Braves totally bomb.

    ***

    What I liked too about the part of the show I was listening to, was their utter joy at how last night unfolded from a general baseball fan perspective, but also talking about one of their son’s who is a Yankees fan but didn’t know where his loyalties were last night and trying to figure it all out while clicking from one game to another. It was funny that one of the Mikes said he was grateful that Chris Carpenter was pitching so well and St. Louis got to a quick lead, so he didn’t have to pay attention to that game. Of course, he also said he thought he wouldn’t have to pay attention to the Yankees game either after they went ahead 7-0.

    It was fun going from one channel to another. And when you go to the MLB network, you get the live look-ins so you don’t miss anything from the game you left. It was a really cool baseball night.

  449. upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Matt Moore, their young pitcher? Maybe Desmond Jennings?

  450. Villa Nova-Ya September 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    upstate kate -

    Probably those two. They were pretty good call-ups.

  451. PagsandRags September 29th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    PagsandRags. Toddler twin of Red Robin.

    ======================================

    No idea who that is as I am not a regular poster, but I am a Yankee fan and I’m not happy about the way they went about the last three games. You will see. CC not pitching at all will affect his start on Friday. Tigers 6-2 tomorrow night. Maybe Nova wins Game 2 and then Detroit will take Games 3 and 4 at home. If I’m wrong I’ll be pleasantly surprised but I see Tigers in 4 and I blame Girardi. He rested regulars way too much over the last week. The Yankees will be MLBs version of the Indianapolis Colts. Pull everyone and expect them to turn it on in the playoffs. Not gonna happen.

  452. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    http://www.grantland.com/story.....y-game-162
    7:23 — Down 7-3, Evan Longoria (an absolute beast this month) smacks a three-run homer. My god. It’s a 7-6 ballgame. Leave it to the Yankees to stick it to the Red Sox yet again. They took out six starters and went through eight pitchers already. It’s like they planned ahead of time, “Let’s get an early lead, then we’ll slowly throw the game and it will take every Red Sox fan three innings to realize it. We will WRECK THEM.” It’s working.

    7:48 — The Proctorologist (Scott Proctor) is coming in for the Yankees. He’s their last available pitcher … and he has an ERA of 10.38. They should just forfeit. Seriously.

    “And so it went for the 2011 Red Sox, the biggest chokers of any Boston team in my lifetime. At least the ’78 Sox fought back and forced a one-game playoff; these guys couldn’t even do that. ”

    **At least this espn guy admits hes a sox fan.

  453. SoS September 29th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Talking about weird things. The sox were 77-0 when leading after the 8th inning this year.
    Beckett blows the game after Ellsbury runs down a ball to deep center where he proceeds to
    drop it. Papplebon blows the game where Crawford looks to have made a great sliding catch
    but coughs it up in the process. Explanation??

    THE TEX CURSE!!

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