No second lefty for division series
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 29, 2011 
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Our good friend David Waldstein is reporting that Raul Valdes will not be on the roster for the division series. He’ll instead go down to Tampa to stay loose in case the Yankees want him in a later round. My guess is the Yankees would have carried him if they were playing Texas.
No Valdes eliminates the possibility of a second lefty in the Yankees bullpen, because not only is Aaron Laffey not going to make the roster, he no longer has a locker in the Yankees clubhouse.
Notable players who do still have a full locker: Valdes, Chris Dickerson, Austin Romine, Francisco Cervelli, Luis Ayala and Hector Noesi.
Notable players who do not still have a full locker: Laffey, Greg Golson, Ramiro Pena, Brandon Laird, Dellin Betances, George Kontos, Andrew Brackman and Scott Proctor.
Our other lefties are not very good, so it’s no big deal. If we advance, it’s not like we should have tremendous faith in Valdes anyway……….
Noesi over Ayala?
I’m okay with Dickerson on, Valdes off.
I’m thinking they go with Colon over Ayala.
CC, Nova, Garcia, AJ, Colon, Hughes, Wade, Boone, Soriano, Robertson, Mariano.
I feel like I left someone off. Joe can have a quicker hook if he has multiple inning guys in the bullpen. He can pull guys early without having to worry about straining the back of the pen.
CB,
Totally agree…..this platoon stuff is killing me. They didn’t give Montero a real chance to prove anything against RHP this month. He’s in scoring position every time he steps up and especially at the stadium.
As you say…..you combat power pitching with plus bat speed.
cc-nova-freddy-cc-nova
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You guys championing for Montero to play need to wake up.
He has more at bats against righties than lefties, and is batting .216/.310/.568 off them. You don’t rely on numbers like that for the postseason.
Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
So what’s your point, Country Club? My point is that Joe is not making these decisions by himself……but hey, he was ripped apart last night, so why not continue the theme?
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My point was that you are correct. Cash does have a say in roster construction. But so do other people. It’s not just Girardi and Cash.
This is exactly why I’ve been telling you all year Montero has no place on the rosster, at best he’s a situational fill-in.
Girardi should of said for game 1 my DH is Posada. Naming him as your everyday DH makes absolutely no sense. Posada was benched for a reason and one hit on a fastball right down the middle shouldn’t change anything. Girardi is doing the Tigers a favor by leaving Montero on the bench and DHing Posada.
I would be more than happy with his 4 hr’s and .878 OPS vs righties.
Like I wrote before, I’m fine with Jorge getting the 1st couple of starts and I hope he does well. But if he’s 0-8 with 4 k’s and 4 groundouts, we’re going to see Montero in game 3.
He has small samples against righties, but almost a 1.00 separation between AVG and OBP and a big SLG. Learn what the numbers mean.
He has 4 homers off of RHP is a small sample. Not even 100 ab’s.
So Montero is already a proven player weeks into his MLB career? I do not get why there is this URGENT need to see Montero right now………..as if he’s a HOFer already
They didn’t give Montero a real chance to prove anything against RHP this month.
42 PA’s against RHP, 27 PA’s against LHP. They gave him more chances against righties than lefties and he didn’t hit. No surprise at all he’s not starting.
M, I don’t think Colon has anything left……..AJ is the long man, so really I don’t see a role for him.
Cowboy Joe West named crew chief for the DBacks-Brewers series.
MLB is a complete disaster when it comes to umpires.
WHAT?!?!? Scott Proctor isn’t making the postseason roster?!?!?!?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!
Assuming Montero’s 37 AB’s versus righties are meaningful: he’s OPS’d .877 against them while Posada has OPS’d .694 overall during the same time (since Sept. 3rd).
# Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
So Montero is already a proven player weeks into his MLB career? I do not get why there is this URGENT need to see Montero right now………..as if he’s a HOFer already
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Good grief. So you have to be a HOF caliber player to be a better choice than a 40 yr old Posada?
C’mon, you’re smarter than that.
Posada has not hit flame throwers very well this season. Montero has been hitting the ball hard against everybody lately regardless which hand they use to throw the ball.
I don’t want to get into an argument.
But I just want to state the obvious that Posada has 473 plate appearances to Montero’s 0.
I’m thinking that Jorge’s major league and postseason experience might be in play here.
Why can’t Joe change his mind?
He might have said Posada dhs but that could be out of respect.
You might see Arod DH game 2 with Chavez at 3rd.
For this series, Montero is no worse than the Yankees third best bat. In fact given how Granderson’s been slumping (and Alex as well) there’s an argument to be made Montero is the team’s second best hitter for this series.
I’m not exaggerating either. He’s that good.
It’s not trivial in any way to take a team’s third best offensive weapon and put him on the bench just because he hasn’t been on the earth long enough.
Yes lack of experience is an issue – it mitigates Montero’s tools and talents – but the Yankees are a better team with Montero in the line up – that’s the bottom line.
All of these arguments could have been made against the Marlins playing Cabrera in the post season in 2003.
And I wish they had given the result of that world series.
Proctor has already done his job
Montero has already shown the earmarks of being an elite hitter. The bat speed, power and hitability are all there. And he’s had good ABs and results against good pitching. You play him because he is one of the best hitters on the team, and you forget that he’s 21 and only gonna get better. He’s good enough to help the Yanks win right now.
Irreverent Discourse September 29th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
They didn’t give Montero a real chance to prove anything against RHP this month.
42 PA’s against RHP, 27 PA’s against LHP. They gave him more chances against righties than lefties and he didn’t hit. No surprise at all he’s not starting.
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The avg and obp aren’t there against righties but the ops is still a not too shabby .878
Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Next year Montero will be allowed to show what he can do.
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So next year his fake platoon splits with disappear? And in April if they start playing him everyday what will Joe’s reasons being for last year when he “couldn’t” hit righties. What will have changed from Sept to April?
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Nothing will have changed regarding Montero except that Posada won’t be on the roster. “If” Girardi is asked about the platoon split of Montero, he’ll probably just come up with some excuse that he’s had experience now or worked in the off season or they’re getting him experience etc…
I would have loved to see Montero get more ABs in september, hell I’d love to have seen him come up sooner, but it didn’t happen
‘Scott Proctor isn’t making the postseason roster?!?!?!?’
They should vote him a share just for saving the bullpen last night.
Just wanted to pop in & wish everyone good luck for the playoffs! Last night was the happiest I’ve ever been watching the Yankees lose a game.
I have a good feeling about this team. Go Yankees!
Why not wait until Girardi doesn’t use Jesus to complain Jesus wasn’t used.
G. Love!
I don’t follow you, but people post your tweets here all the time. Keep up the good work!
Hey G Love
good to see you! Is it true you are the fake Peter Gammons?
Irreverent Discourse
Your taking a moron’s myopic view of those #’s….ask Weaver how quick his bat is trying to bust him inside…
The fact is he offers far more potential against a guy with elite stuff like Verlander than Po’ does and that is obvious. Pulling Posada’s #s against Verlander that majority of which were from 2/3 yrs ago does not take into account the obvious, that Jesus is an infinitely better hitter right now that Jorge. PERIOD.
He should certainly be the game 1 DH as that represents sending out your very best lineup against there very best SP
CB, I’m sorry – Granderson has had an MVP year and I expect him to be huge in the post-season. Montero has been up for a few weeks. No way do I have more faith in Montero than Granderson.
“He has more at bats against righties than lefties, and is batting .216/.310/.568 off them. You don’t rely on numbers like that for the postseason.”
You’re right. You don’t rely on those numbers at all. No meaningful statistical conclusion can be drawn from that sample of at bats.
Decision making should be based on qualitative data in this situation more than quantitative because the quantitative data has large degrees of error and variability associated with it.
Kristieackert
As #yankees stretch, the big screen is showing the YES season recap they showed last night. Players seem to enjoy it.
This guy is FakePeterGammons? No wonder I thought they were humorless
Scott Proctor now ranks right there with Bucky F. Dent and Aaron F. Boone.
What he did to RS Tiny Nation was priceless and he will forever get the credit for their Greatest Choke Of All Time.
Next time they wise off remind them…
upstate kate,
Haven’t I always been the fake Peter Gammons? I think he’ll have to go in hibernation for the Red Sox free playoffs and fake Hank will have to pick up the slack.
upstate kate September 29th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Proctor has already done his job
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Yup … for Tampa.
Pat, because it’s all about Montero……..
People are fooling themselves if they think the Yankees aren’t pleased that the Sox are not there.
They know the Sox are dangerous, and not having them in the playoffs increases their own odds.
Betsy,
Glad to see the lobotomy is taking! Hugs-n-stuff!
Bets you are an expert on that…
G. Love is both? Whoa. Jeckyll and Hyde.
G’ Love
You missed a great Civil War in here last night.
But it all ended in hugs and kisses except for 1 grinch.
GLove, you are a miracle of modern medicine – your brain is in your behind and yet you’re still capable of posting. Lucky us!
Why is Minaya getting Mike’s air time?
He knows not of what he speaks.
Id,
Real small sample size…..he hits RHP fine.
Somebody tweet me please when the mothership finally comes to take Betsy away.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Verlander has 11 starts vs. NYY in his career, and has about a 4 ERA. They have run up pitch count against him in past; he’s evolved.
CB – No doubt.
This is not a good matchup for most of our hitters. Montero is one of the few players who currently has the skill-set to match up with the Tigers power.
Him and Cano are best equipped to deal with the Tigers pitchers.
I thought Minaya was some Mets fan shlub. Then I hear Mike call him “Omar”
Leyland claims that he will NOT pitch Verlander in game 4.
Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
GLove, you are a miracle of modern medicine – your brain is in your behind and yet you’re still capable of posting. Lucky us!
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Ouch!
Minaya: “The Yankees are the Yankees.”
Brilliant.
You have nothing better to do with your pathetic life than faking a twitter account and coming up with stupid comments……..you’re not one to judge
Oh excuse me, creating a Twitter account making fun of someone…………either way, same thing
m…now you’re funny…Omar the Schlub from Brooklyn
I definitely thought that Montero would DH in game 1 and then they would make changes from game to game. If he didn’t look that good and Girardi wanted to try Posada in game 2 that’s fine. But it makes no sense too all of a sudden make Posada the everyday DH considering the fact that he hasn’t played much at all and he can only hit fastballs right over the plate. It seems like Montero had to hit .500 with 15 homeruns in order to be the everyday DH.
“No way do I have more faith in Montero than Granderson.”
Betsy,
Here’s the thing. I didn’t comment on what your subjective perception of the team is. I’m not commenting about Betsy’s beliefs.
I can’t know what you’re thinking – and quite honestly – that’s not a particular priority of mine.
So you can subjectively have faith in whoever you like. Believe me, I have no interest in trying to dissuade you from an article of faith (there’s no way to discuss those issues anyway…)
I’m discussing the team and it’s needs. Not what I have a particular faith in. I could be completely wrong – but I don’t comment much – and mostly do so when I have something to say so if you want ignore my comment.
So I stand by it. Montero is one of the single best hitters on the Yankees team right now. Not playing him decreases their chances of winning the world series.
But again, people and organizations make decisions based on all sorts of biases and that’s what the yankees are just doing now. They (or most likely girardi) is overemphasizing experience.
All that said – my comments are entirely outside of your particular belief system in this team so there’s really nothing to discuss. In fact if all there is to do is anchor ourselves entirely in our own subjective beliefs then it’s really not possible to discuss anything.
Montero’s ability to consistently make hard contact is ridiculous.
The only guy I would have considered starring Po against is Fister.
But Joe made his decision and I hope Jorge can turn back the clock with the bright lights on and go out on top.
Omah thinks the Yankees are cooked if they don’t win game 1.
G Love,
Good to see you…..I was on to you from the start
funny stuff.
Minaya had no problem w/Reyes slinking out of the game after his bunt single yesterday.
Those Los Mets ties die hard.
Whatever CB……..either way, I think it’s hilarious that after a few weeks, Montero is a HOFer who is guaranteed to come up huge in the playoffs.
Betsy,
Why are you attacking G. love?
42 PA?s against RHP, 27 PA?s against LHP. They gave him more chances against righties than lefties and he didn?t hit. No surprise at all he?s not starting.
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In 2003 Cabrera hit 230 against righties and he played throughout the playoffs. Guess his ?issues? against righties weren?t enough to keep him from the lineup
Stay CB, pleeeeze stay……
M, you’re going to get a lot of that. I suspect, not that it matters, that the majority of “experts” will be picking the Tigers.
Blake, you’ve got to be kidding me.
Whatever CB??..either way, I think it?s hilarious that after a few weeks, Montero is a HOFer who is guaranteed to come up huge in the playoffs.
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Yes because that is exactly what he said
Omar must be tired. He keeps jumping from one side of the fence to the other.
Posada DHing versus Verlander. Wasting Montero’s bat on the bench versus the best pitcher in the AL. Verlander high 90s heat versus Posada. Not good.
“Montero’s ability to consistently make hard contact is ridiculous.”
Honestly since he’s been called up only Cano has barreled the ball more frequently from what I’ve seen. He should be in the lineup…..at least against the hard throwing RHP
Montero has a higher OPS against righties this year then Posada does
omah wants Mike’s job or one like it…getting bored at home…..maybe he can takeover for theo?
Fister is the one who will be a tougher matchup for Montero, not Verlander.
Fister reminds me of James Shields – he can miss bats and is a guy who is going to mix in all his pitches and has a lot of quality off-speed stuff.
Verlander can just sit high 90s with that slider and change all day and no one will touch him but Montero has the bat speed to get a hold of one.
Betsy,
Im just asking…..he didn’t direct anything at you first did he?
Betsy,
As unpleasant as other people are to you. You yourself can be unbelievably unpleasant. And for no reason.
You should exhibit more of the same courtesy’s to other that you are always saying should be extended to yourself.
But let me guess – you’re just going to say “whatever…” or make some other snarky, rude response.
I didn’t ask you to respond to anything I had to say. You were the one who chose to and did so rudely.
On that note have a good day everyone.
Oh, please stay CB….
G Love
I knew you were notHank Stein, but I wasn’t sure about Gammons
I love Cano batting 3rd but Tex, Swish and Posada back to back isn’t good. Once you get past Arod the lineup is going to struggle to get guys on base and score runs. They really needed Montero at the bottom of the lineup.
40 year old children these days, I do declare…
“Montero has a higher OPS against righties this year then Posada does”
Which defeats the argument that Posada can hit RHP so he should start.
Montero will be their 2nd or 3rd best bat in this series with his tools. There is no reason for him not to start at all. Watching a gimpy A-Rod flail away at Verlander’s heat or Posada flail away at changes int he dirt is not going to be pretty.
If Grandy doesn’t break out of his funk, he’s going to be striking out like crazy against the quality off speed pitches of the Tigers
champ809 – <i.Your taking a moron’s myopic view of those #’s
You took a moron’s method of responding to my post. Now it’s been ignored and I don’t even know what your point was.
Blake, until the guy split, he did nothing but attack me…….every time I posted, he would rip into it simply because he disagreed with me. I don’t forget that stuff. Why didn’t he just ignore me? Hell yeah I resent him……and I was being honest, not trying to bait. I don’t think his stuff is funny at all.
Triple – That’s not a fair comparison. Who did they have to play instead of Cabrera?
So let’s not even play game 1.
Go straight to game 2…
I don’t think his stuff is funny at all.
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Curious.
What do you think is funny?
(Waiting to be ignored)
every time I posted, he would rip into it simply because he disagreed with me. I don’t forget that stuf
Don’t forget that you’re the only one that thinks that as well.
Why are you attacking CB?
You need to look in the mirror, maybe just once.
You need to look in the mirror, maybe just once.
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They all have cracked.
Betsy,
Ok.
CB,
Great to hear your thoughts as always…..Montero hopefully wont get a splinter in his behind this postseason.
Bryan Hoch
The Yankees are taking BP at the Stadium, but someone turned off the sun. It is pitch black out there & the flags are whipping.
Bryan Hoch
And here comes the tarp. This concludes the Yankees workout. Sorry, Tigers.
This is what she sees in the cracked mirror:
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Posada is 2 for 6 off of a pitcher he supposedly “can’t hit because he throws too hard”. This was back in May when Posada wasn’t hitting at all.
Triple ? That?s not a fair comparison. Who did they have to play instead of Cabrera?
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Probably Todd Hollandsworth but thats not the point. Posada is not a good matchup against guys that throw as fast as Verlander does. The reason given is Posada hits righties better yet Montero has a higher OPS then Posada. This reeks of a sentimental decsion
mashmore98 Mike Ashmore
3B Brandon Laird and LF Austin Krum awarded Gold Gloves by Rawlings. They give out one for each position in all of the minors.
Posada is not a good matchup against guys that throw as fast as Verlander does
Can you prove that somehow? Sounds like conjecture to me.
as bad a matchup as posada supposedly is he was hitting balls to the deepest part of CF in detroit when he faced verlander earlier in the year and had at least one homer robbed from what I remember
the bat speed is there against him, for whatever reason. I don’t see the need to panic
Now see what you’ve done?
She is gone till she “feels like” coming back.
We are so immature.
She is so free.
Posada is 2 for 6 off of a pitcher he supposedly ?can?t hit because he throws too hard?.
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Sample size says no comment
i guess some people just can’t be happy
come on people, let’s try to feed the positivity, not the insanity
Does that mean Soriano still has a locker? Bummer.
come on people, let’s try to feed the positivity, not the insanity
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Brilliant!
4 of Montero’s 8 hits off righties are Home runs… that doesn’t sound a tad bit lucky to you?
Triple – Montero’s sample size says the same thing.
In the 60′s, it was called being a Bummer.
Forget the Posada vs Montero debate for a second.
Where did this belief come from that Montero can’t hit hard throwing righties? His bat speed is one of his major pluses as a hitter. That doesnt mean he wont swing through heat, every hitter does. But he has no problem (and hasn’t at any level) hitting good fasballs.
This is the same garbage we had to go through in 95 when Buck wouldn’t trust Rivera against Sea and we had to watch Cone blow the game on his 800th pitch
I thought CB brought up a valid point. Perhaps they felt Po’s experience trumped Montero’s bat speed. Maybe his hand is too sore.
It’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation as well. Montero goes 0-4 tomorrow and you can say
“why didn’t they use the veteran lefty bat?”
Triple ? Montero?s sample size says the same thing.
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Then why is Girardi basing his decsion on it especially since Montero has shown he was able to hit righties throughout his minor league career
G. Love, if you’re still out there, I hope you come back around more often. One of the main reasons you left hasn’t been here lately (knock on wood).
I enjoy the re-posts of your FakePeterGammons tweets on here. I was pretty sure it was you, but poor Dudley clinched it.
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CountryClub – Verlander isn’t winning the Cy Young because he throws meatballs. He’s winning it because it’s hard to hit his easiest pitch to hit.
A guy with a .300 OBP off righties shouldn’t play over anyone. OPS is a BS stat, especially with only 50 at-bats.
Didn’t notice you’d all moved forward.
But on M Cabrera in 2003,
The 2003 Marlins were a team in much flux. They could afford to run with a young rookie like Cabrera. By the time the playoffs rolled around, he had already played in 87 games.
The Marlins had a need for Cabrera at the ML level that the Yankees really did not have for Montero this season.
Plus, I’d say the pressure on a position player on the Florida Marlins in 2003 is a lot less than for a developing catcher/DH on the NY Yankees in 2011.
That being said, if they need MOntero in this series, they will use him.
You really can’t compare the situations of the two teams.
I think it’s hilarious that after a few weeks, Montero is a HOFer who is guaranteed to come up huge in the playoffs.
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Who is saying this?
Jorge clearly doesn’t have the bat speed to catch up to Verlander’s velocity. I respect all he’s done over the years for the team but seeing as it’s his last year and it’s felt he should be on the postseason rosters, use him for pinch hitting purposes only but not a defined role as a DH.
Chavez can catch up to heat from the left side and Montero from the right side.
Jorge clearly doesn’t have the bat speed to catch up to Verlander’s velocity.
You guys can repeat this until you are blue in the face. Doesn’t make it true.
Nick in SF September 29th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
G. Love, if you’re still out there, I hope you come back around more often. One of the main reasons you left hasn’t been here lately (knock on wood).
I enjoy the re-posts of your FakePeterGammons tweets on here. I was pretty sure it was you, but poor Dudley clinched it.
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Second that. FakePeteGammons actually had me considering joining twitter for a moment.
Does anybody know the status of Montero’s finger or hand?
I’m all for giving Jorge a chance. Feels like something special might come out of it.
Posada has an .866 OPS or higher against all the Tigers starters (all but Verlander over 1) this year, in very small samples. Thats why Girardi is doing this.
Though I do think they should rely more on Montero’s natural ability.
bruised, but better.
maybe he needs a day off right Doc?
Jorge is a pure guess hitter now (it’s why he strikes out looking so much). I wouldnt be shocked to see him get around on a Verlander heater for that reason.
Posada does hit .300/.391/.450 in his career against Verlander as well. Maybe he just see’s the pitch well… who knows. No sense in forcing Montero into the lineup when they’ve been avoiding him facing right-handers on a regular basis anyway.
I was pretty sure it was you, but poor Dudley clinched it.
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I had a similar experience this morning after a “Murder She Wrote” reference. 80′s television is his calling card.
So we’ll have Jeter and Granderson, the some combo of Cano, Arod, and Tex, then Swisher…
Does Jorge bat 7th in front of Martin and Gardner?
If we’re being all sensitive and honest Betsy, I do think you’re a bit of a plague upon this forum and you’ve had as much to do with some of the very good posters bailing on it as the awful trolls. Your incessant Hughes nonsense was unbearable to read. Remember when Nova wasn’t “anything special” as you said incessantly to defend Hughes when you weren’t bashing him? Incredible he’s our game 2 starter since he’s nothing special.
I give everyone credit for sticking with this place when you have to dodge cowpies in here all day from the trolls and the likes of Betsy.
I came in here to post today after reading some of the threads and felt like contributing since I do enjoy this place and miss some of the people. I didn’t mention you at all & you felt compelled to insult me. You’re right, I should have ignored you like I have when I had enough of you and that West Coast guy in here and it made it not fun to post or read here anymore. I shouldn’t have slipped up and returned.
As for you not approving of my humor, wow that hurt. I need to re-evaluate some things in my life. What’s comedy to you? A good gritty episode of Cagney & Lacey when they wear silly hats? Kate & Ali your favie sitcom? You get all excited when Ralph Mouth tells a joke?
Those are rhetorical questions by the way. I don’t need a response. I don’t care what makes you laugh.
Oh and by the way, go Yankees!
2 of Montero’s HR’s against righties came off of the awesome Orioles closer, Jim Johnson. This doesn’t indicate large success against righties to me…
Does Jorge bat 7th in front of Martin and Gardner?
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Probably, gardner has no bat speed for 96+ so I can’t see him batting leadoff and there’s no sense moving everyone down for that
So he’s at least not batting 9th
Nick – The Dudley shout out was definitely for you! Be honored my friend.
I don’t know how applicable Jorge’s numbers against Verlander are. To me, they’re kind of like ancient history. Verlander’s having a great season throwing the ball, and Jorge’s bat speed ain’t what it used to be.
I think “saving” Jorge as a bat off the bench/ph is better plan. Something that Montero hasn’t really had experience with. Just my thoughts.
Posada is just not a good matchup against a team like the Tigers with the power arms they have and the velocity they generate. His vulnerability to the change-ups will be accentuated against pitchers like this.
He can hit against Porcello, let Jesus hit against the 3 power arms.
Fakepetergammons is hilarious.
I know I’m late to the party, but I just found out that A-Gon complained that Louis Ayala was getting squeezed.
It’s so ironically funny that a redsox player is worried about a yankees pitcher getting squeezed when all they had to do was win a game on their own.
2 of Montero?s HR?s against righties came off of the awesome Orioles closer, Jim Johnson. This doesn?t indicate large success against righties to me?
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He was a top 10 reliever this year who had given up less then 5 home runs but mock him if you will.
Mysteriously, Vineyard Yankee disappeared at the same time as WCRSF.
ID,
None of the stats from this year are that indicative with Montero……its the swing and eyeball test stuff that CB was talking about.
Can someone please show me that Posada doesn’t hit “power arms”… or stop saying it.
blake – Well I won’t be making any playoff decisions based off of anyone’s “eye test”.
Are the Rays blessed with “magic” (I though that was only Pedroia?) or did the Yankees play at less than 100% the last 3 games which helped them alot?
I’m inclined to think the Yankees weren’t going full bore so the magical GG Rays rhetoric is annoying me already and the DS hasn’t even begun.
Love the FakePeterGammons and the FakeHankStein
Screw the haters, G. Love – your accounts are awesome
Jim Johnson is awesome. I don’t know why people keep making it sound like Montero hit 2 bombs off a scrub.
I think Verlander would give Montero fits at this stage of Montero’s career.
It was early in the year but Posada hit the Tiger starters well. He hit Verlander well.
All this is way overblown IMO. Posada will be fine.
For anyone who didn’t know but might be interested in hearing what they have to say. Theo and Tito addressing the media. It just started. You can hear it through WEEI. (I’m doubting ESPN would air dirty Syux laundry…)
As if this isn’t a sign of good things to come… #28 is on it’s way!!!!
http://www.virginmedia.com/ima.....90x400.jpg
If the Yankees lose the first two games against Detroit and Posada goes 0-8 in the process, I bet that Montero is the DH in game 3.
Cabrera was also hitting extremely well in the minors before being called up. Montero was doing well, but not M. Cabrera 2003 well. And Cabrera was not a catcher.
I agree that Montero looks to be a great hitter going forward. And he will have his day soon enough.
Who knows what’s going to happen?
I don’t think it’s a lock to say Montero would hit Verlander any more than any other person in the league hit Verlander this season.
I won’t talk about this being MOntero’s first major league playoff, because from what I can see MOntero looks like he belongs.
But I don’t think there is a need to rush this and I don’t think that playing Posada is going to cost them. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
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STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY G’ LOVVVVVVVVVVVVVE….oh please stay……we love you.
pat
You gotta admit that triple play was pretty epic. And the Dan Johnson HR?
The Yankees did some things to help the Rays but some crazy stuff happened the past three games.
Wow. Tito saying he had a closed door meeting that nobody knew about because of things that were going on off the field that he was concerned about. He said that when things happen they can bring teams closer but that wasn’t happening with the Sux as much as he would have wanted it to.
September 29, 2011 at 4:05 pm blake – Well I won’t be making any playoff decisions based off of anyone’s “eye test”.
But you will off of like a 30 AB sample size?
trisha, I’ve been listening to it this afternoon & the redsox fans in despair.
LGY, I’ve noticed a few stray comments from that first one you mentioned since the absence of the second one began, each time met with no reply. Make of that what you will.
Jorge is cheating big time to get to good fastballs…..he has to guess well these days.
“Mysteriously, Vineyard Yankee disappeared at the same time as WCRSF.”
Veddy interesting.
I came in here to post today after reading some of the threads and felt like contributing since I do enjoy this place and miss some of the people. I didn’t mention you at all & you felt compelled to insult me. You’re right, I should have ignored you like I have when I had enough of you and that West Coast guy in here and it made it not fun to post or read here anymore. I shouldn’t have slipped up and returned.
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G’ Love- Youve seen Animal House…c’mon man what would Washigton have done at the Alamo?
TOGA, TOGA,TOGA!!!!!!!
Lock, Tito saying interesting things about the team not always protecting each other on the field!
Posada is hitting .188 against power pitchers with a .640 OPS – 4 HRs and 12 RBIs.
He has a 134 OPS+ against finesse pitchers, however.
Montero had a 181 OPS+ in 8 ABs vs. power pitchers this season
LGY, I’ve noticed a few stray comments from that first one you mentioned since the absence of the second one began, each time met with no reply. Make of that what you will.
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Oh really? My bad, didn’t see that.
Is he like Voldemort (sp?) now? He who shall not be named?
trisha
oshaunessy thinks toto is gone and theto might to the cubs if he wishes hard enuf.
toto’s contract is up isn’t it?
G Love, I am so happy to see you back!
I hope you post here during the postseason because I think you basically think like a lot of us here.
trisha – true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Lock, Tito saying interesting things about the team not always protecting each other on the field!
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I don’t get that. what does he mean by that. Is this about something like crawford not making the catch?
They just defended Lackey’s eye rolling & showing up his teammates. That he always appologizes blah blah blah….
I wonder if there’s a team chemistry problem as a whole
mick, Tito’s contract is up and today they were saying they found it interesting that even when the Sux were playing well, they refused to discuss an extension to Tito’s contract. Maybe they didn’t think that missing the postseason (from last year anyway) was acceptable and they were waiting to see how thee team would fare this year. If so, DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
pat,
btw I wanted to apologize for the way I responded to you yesterday. It was unnecessarily snarky.
Theo at his press conference, when asked about Tito’s future sounds kind of like the end of the 2007 season for Joe Torre.
Theo, if you take more responsibility than anyone, you know what to do……
Lock, that’s a really interesting question. Remember that last year there was almost a lynch mob against Ellsbury, and it was led by that horror Youklis. Maybe that rift never reallly healed. If they don’t have Crawford’s back, then shame on them.
Lockdown – I think they have a big problem with players and everyone being on the same page, especially in winning being job one.
Time to jump ship in Beantown.
It’s not worth saving, too many bad contracts, Lackey, Beckett,Crawford…Papelschmear gone.
No pen. Big Pooper.
Tito and Theo in over their heads and will use their leverage.
In the word of the immortal Miceal Ray Richardson:
“The Ship Be Sinkin’.”
blake – Are you not championing his .800+ OPS on the same sample?
If this is what’s being discussed, then I think Tito’s a goner. Him a bunch of players. Ownership didn’t fork over that many dollars for a soap opera. A losing soap opera, at that.
trisha, yeah the way they treated pillsbury was wrong. He was clearly injured. And now with youk hurt, maybe pillsbury is giving it back to him.
2 of Montero’s HR’s against righties came off of the awesome Orioles closer, Jim Johnson. This doesn’t indicate large success against righties to me…
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You mean their best reliever who doesnt give up any HRs?
LGY, no biggie, mentioning him/them is no sin, but this place is just so much better without that silliness, the fewer reminders of it the better, for me at least.
I grimaced when BoJo chimed in last night and wrongly accused one blog blight of being a different blog blight.
ID,
Nope ….Im championing his talent
Here’s an interesting stat:
Sux starting rotation was in the bottom three of the MAJORS, and that was for the season!
Where in the name of God did people who still believed in the Sux in the postseason, where did you think this Sux team was going with a starting rotation with an ERA over 7 and their top two starters losing most of their games in September and falling apart in the last weeks?! You know that pitching wins championships.
Nick
Good point.
This will be the worst collapse of all time beside what Oshaugnessy says bc the team will be dismantled and the RS as you know them will be no more.
trisha ,
When I watched that collapse last night I immediately thought how much joy it must have brought you and smiled. If I wasn’t up against a work deadline I would’ve come in to celebrate with you guys last night. Speaking of that work deadline…gotta get back to it.
Good to touch base with a lot of you again. I’ll pop in for some playoff fun.
Joe from Long Island September 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
If this is what’s being discussed, then I think Tito’s a goner. Him a bunch of players. Ownership didn’t fork over that many dollars for a soap opera. A losing soap opera, at that.
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They seem to be hinting at internal problems. Theo also discussed how it’s his problem if the team is not in as good a shape as other teams. Says he’s not signally any particular players physical condition, but he’s talking general.
last night was a classic night in LoHudLand as a civil war broke out but ended in wonderful ecstacy in a karmic cosmic way…
Tito saying interesting things about the team not always protecting each other on the field!
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Those don’t sound like the words of a manager that’s going to there long term.
They were HIDEOUS in their treatment of Ellsbury and again, ugly bit mouth Youklis led the charge. Because of their trashing him to the press, he ended up coming back early and if you remember reinjured himself in one of the first games he was back.
I was never crazy about Manny but one of my favorite moments was when he biotch slapped Youklis in the mouth when Youklis accused him of not hustling.
I find fake peter gammons to be an inspired work of satire.
Well done G. Love.
Sux starting rotation was in the bottom three of the MAJORS, and that was for the season!
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trisha
Red Sox Rotation Could Be Better Than Phillies Staff in 2011 Season
http://www.nesn.com/2010/12/re.....eason.html
Not as big as ’86…not as big as Bucky F. Dent…not as big as Aaron F. Boone….puhleeze oshaunessy you had me till you ended with that bs…
Gerry Davis will be the crew chief for the Yankees-Tigers series, and will be joined by Tony Randazzo, Eric Cooper, Dan Iassogna, Ted Barrett, and Bill Welke.
My favorite Youk moment was when Porcello rolled him when Youk charged the mound. I have been a huge Porcello fan ever since.
Jim Johnson is the reason the Sox are not in the playoffs
How many big saves did he get over the past week? I think he pitched in all 5 of the Os wins against Sox.
“last night was a classic night in LoHudLand as a civil war broke out but ended in wonderful ecstacy in a karmic cosmic way…”
mick, and credit too you for joining in the fun at the end!
Jeers, Theo said he took some responsibility for the problems in the clubhouse but I agree with you.
Tito was just asked if he wanted to stay in beantown and Tito said that he and Theo had talked about it and they would continue to talk about it but now was not the time to comment on it because there are other things to discuss.
Wow
If they were smart they would bring back Damon, Manny and Pedro to build the team around…
see that beatsy chic is a whack job man. she attcaks good dudes glove and the cb dude. and some where jumping me earlier for calling her out. she’s sent many good dudes from this place. she’s a lonely bitter person. and she knows zip about baseball. she must spend hours reading sport pages and listening to her met fan daddy.
Do the Red Sox own NESN?
Most of the content there reeks of an orchestrated PR campaign…
RaysJoeMaddon
Can’t express enough gratitude to Buck and the Os for their incredible professionalism. We don’t do this without their respect for the game.
LGY
No worries.
I don’t remember what you said but snarky is okay.
If I took disagreements personally, I wouldn’t still be married.
Jim Johnson was magnificent! Come on, the guy saved the O’s bacon just about every time he came in.
It would never happen but I’d like to see Buck be named Manager of the Year just for collapsing the Sux!!!
Theo – will discuss coaches and managers in terms of who they would want to bring back.
(Did Tito think the press wasn’t going to pick up on the “closeness of the team” issue and not bring it up again????)
Definite problems in the clubhouse. No reading between the lines necessary.
I wonder what/who it is.
The O’s celebrated like they won the World Series.
That was not your father’s walkoff.
Joe G coming up with Mike F.
Pete Abe asking about starting pitching. I guess he’s trying to evaluate whether he wants to stay with a losing proposition or beg for his job back so he can cover the Yankees.
It would never happen but I’d like to see Buck be named Manager of the Year just for collapsing the Sux!!!
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trish…we all know who the real culprit is: Scott F. Proctor
“The O’s celebrated like they won the World Series.
That was not your father’s walkoff.”
Amazing wasn’t it? I loved watching it. They apparently followed the lead of Papa Buck. Here’s another thing I loved. O’s in last place but their crowd was there screaming their brains out for their O’s, last games of the seasons. Boy were they loud when the O’s tied the game in the 9th. And then when President Andino got the winning hit, they went nuts!!!
I actually like Francona but if a fractured clubhouse contributed to that slide than it is time to make a move.
and I want to thank my New England cousins Randy and Trisha for reigniting my hatred for the RS…and showing me the bigger picture from those in the Belly of the Beast.
Being a Stranger in a Strange Land is hard…
“trish…we all know who the real culprit is: Scott F. Proctor”
Love it!!! I think he deserves a postion with the Yankees after that.
Joe: No roster til tmw.
mick, I can’t thing we could have done. But again credit to you, because you had to be open to it for it to happen, and you were.
I’m rooting hard for the Os next year – Buck and all those guys who played their hearts out deserve to have a winning season.
Buck should get some MOY votes. He won’t win obviously, but his team decided the playoff picture in the final month. They played the Tigers, Yankees, Angels, Rays, Sox, etc. and they impacted every race.
Love it!!! I think he deserves a postion with the Yankees after that.
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He has earned a position in Yankee and Boston Folklore up there with the Effin Bros.
Girardi not allowed to release the roster? MLB or Yankees holding him back?
Theo: I have credit for ALMOST everyone down there in the clubhouse.
Whoa!
mick, I can’t thing we could have done.
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trying to understand that…
There were more fans in Baltimore last night to watch them eliminate the Red Sox than there were in Tampa to watch them win and make the playoffs.
“He has earned a position in Yankee and Boston Folklore up there with the Effin Bros.”
I laughed ’til tears came out of my eyes!!!! The Effin Bros.
Tito said – I have a ton of respect for “almost” everyone in the club house
He said he didn’t like something he saw after the toronto series & had a private meeting with his team to sort things out. (not sure which toronto series, not the last one, something earlier when they were wining)
There were more fans in Baltimore last night to watch them eliminate the Red Sox
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Fortunately most of them were RS fans.
Only they could appreciate what happened.
Must have been one long ride back to Beanotown.
Sox would be wise to go after Garcia next year.
They need a few guys like him. They have their top 3 set up with Beckett-Lester-Buchholz. They need to add some reliable innings eaters behind them. They also need to bring back Papelbon. Their lineup, when healthy, is fine. They could use a Prince Fielder or Pujols at DH but it is not necessary. Beltran or Cuddayer to replace Drew would be good as well.
I’m absolutely shocked to learn the Red Sox have problems in the clubhouse. Shocked, I tell you.
RaysJoeMaddon
Can’t express enough gratitude to Buck and the Os for their incredible professionalism. We don’t do this without their respect for the game.
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What about Girardi and the Yanks?
Ungrateful turd. I knew it was a mistake handing them a playoff spot.
I swear I’m still adjusting to this new light-touch keyboard!
mick, (rephrased) there is no way we could have done that if you were not open to it, so credit to you.
Bronx –
Did Joe just say Cano-Tex-Arod?
BJ – Not sure I would be comfortable with Maddon “thanking the yankees for taking a knee”. Makes the Yankee’s look really bad if he says something like that. You appreciate the positives, Baltimore not giving up on their season and playing it out to the end made all the difference.
Jeers – Yanks may be their opposition. Maddon can’t say anything about the Yankees right now. And truly, Buck’s team played their hearts out right down to the last out. I have to answers to the question – what about the rest of the season? That’s not my problem. But am I impressed as hell at what they did to the league in September? You bet I am.
Cano Tex A-Rod could work, have to pitch to Cano so he can be on base. Can’t fully shift on Teixeira when guys are on base… it works…
And ID, Maddon might have thought that the Yankees too a knee for the Sux in the 14-inning game, so it’s a wash!
mick, (rephrased) there is no way we could have done that if you were not open to it, so credit to you.
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we did it as a team we willed it to happen…cataclysmic!
It’s a LoHud Miracle.
A festivus for the rest of us!
Again, sorry for the multiple letters that don’t belong there or the lack of word endings. One criticism of this particular laptop was the light touch of the keyboard.
Francona is probably talking about Mr Glass JD Drew……or Lackey…….my guess is that they are sick of both of their acts.
Wonder if Aceves through a bullpen today….
“Ungrateful turd.”
We seem to have a lot of them in our division, don’t we?
The way Buck played the Sux down the stretch earned him some cred with most of the fans who hated him all year
I am still deliriously joyful because of what happened last night.
I think Maddon is coming from the perspective of understanding the need for the yankees to “tune up” and then rest their players. He’s not going to gloat about beating the yankees when he knew the AAA lineup was in & Proctor was pitching while RO-MO looked on.
He saw this happen against the sox on sunday & now the yanks did the same with them. He gets it.
mick, I could talk about this one forever just because I am so in awe of the way the whole thing played out. I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the way those games played out in tandem.
A festivus indeed. Such a festivus as hadn’t been seen in the history of baseball. A Titanic-proportion collapse.
That’s our Suxers!!!
I see someone finally took his meds.
If the Sox can find a way to get rid of Lackey, there is 0 reason for us not to be able to get rid of AJ.
Not that I mind AJ, but if a younger option is ready, AJ should not block him.
I had predicted either the Sucks or the Tigers will face the Phillies.
Again…..the Yanks would have won 7-0 last night if the game mattered to them. I hope we face the Rays in the ALCS because that means we got there…..and because Texas is a lot better than them overall
You can walk tall in Beanotown Trish…the underclass will pay you no mind .
And if they revert back to their evil ways just walk away and smile…
“Did Joe just say Cano-Tex-Arod?”
No. Robbie/Alex/Tex since Tigs have righty starters.
…and say the Proctor made me do it.
Lackey would be harder to move than AJ……his contract is a year longer…..he’s whiffer injury risk …..he’s pitching worse…..and he’s a bad teammate.
I would like to see an Arod eruption this series…it would make things a lot easier.
Do you remember 2006 ?
Blake…Aceves is warming up.
I predict a big AB for Montero vs Coke……and a Valverde blown save.
I think the Tigers will easily (!) win this series, like 2006.
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Jose Valverde was 49 for 49 in save opportunities
Joaquin Benoit, has a 1.36 earned run average in his last 50 games
Fister is 8-1 with a 1.79 earned run average
Max Scherzer shut out the Yankees for eight innings in May
etc.
Red Robin – Do you remember yesterday when your team was eliminated from the playoffs? That was funny.
Hey Nick-
If you’re still around, what’s Vegas saying about Yanks/Detroit?
Trish, I would think that in the offseason, Theo the boy genius will address the team’s age and, most of all, their pitching.
I believe the latter was vastly overrated this season. Dice came through as expected, Lackey continued his horrible pitching record at Fenway, Beckett was there at times but …
I expected Lester to have a better year, not that it was all that bad. Papelbonehead was another who came through as expected.
Bold BloSox predictions for 2012 … Big Sloppy – gone. Varitek – gone. J.DL. Drew – gone (no surprise there). One of their big hitters (Ellsbury, Youkilis?) will be moved to acquire pitching.
I hope I am wrong .
But the Tigres are just plain scary good as of now .
No ?
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I was just kidding about Maddon thanking the Yanks.
But he is a turd.
“When I watched that collapse last night I immediately thought how much joy it must have brought you and smiled. ”
I can’t thank you enough for thinking of me at that moment. Those are moments that need to be shared and I am so thankful that I had posters here who were right there with me.
“trisha
Red Sox Rotation Could Be Better Than Phillies Staff in 2011 Season
http://www.nesn.com/2010/12/re…..eason.html”
LGY, do you think that Jill Seward feels like the fool she is right about now?