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Projected roster, minor honors, the Rays bold choice

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Sep 29, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Based on the bits and pieces that have been revealed about the Yankees division series roster, there’s only so much room to tweak pieces. Jack Curry tweeted a projected roster earlier tonight, and the groups make sense.

Projected position players: Mark Teixeira, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Eric Chavez, Eduardo Nunez, Brett Gardner, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Andruw Jones, Russell Martin, Jorge Posada, Jesus Montero, Chris Dickerson

When Dickerson said he was on the roster, that seemed to nearly wipe out the possibility of carrying Austin Romine. If Montero’s not going to DH, and Martin’s going to catch every game, Romine shouldn’t play much of a role.

Projected pitchers: CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, Freddy Garcia, A.J. Burnett, Mariano Rivera, Dave Robertson, Rafael Soriano, Boone Logan, Cory Wade, Luis Ayala and Phil Hughes.

The Tigers have only one impact left-handed hitter, so there’s little need for a second lefty specialist, and with Hughes and Burnett in the bullpen, a long guy like Hector Noesi isn’t especially necessary. Could cut a reliever to carry Romine, but there’s a greater chance of wanting the extra arm than the spare catcher.

• The Detroit Free Press takes a look at the Tigers projected division series roster. It includes former Yankees minor league catcher Omir Santos, along with more familiar — and more obvious — former Yankees Austin Jackson, Wilson Betemit and Phil Coke.

• On the flip side, the Free Press wrote a little bit about Curtis Granderson playing against his former team.

• I covered Austin Jackson’s last year in the Yankees system. “I definitely envisioned myself playing center field one day for them,” Jackson said. “But things happen for a reason. I got the best opportunity I ever got in baseball being traded over the Tigers.”

• Check out the Rays: They’re going with Matt Moore in Game 1 of their division series. They used up their top starters against the Yankees, so they’re going with the kid. Gutsy. Really gutsy.

• Rawlings awarded a series of minor league Gold Glove awards, recognizing one minor league player at each position, choosing from a pool of players at every level. Two Yankees were recognized: Brandon Laird won the minor league Gold Glove at third base, and Austin Krum won the award in left field.

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178 Responses to “Projected roster, minor honors, the Rays bold choice”

  1. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    That’s awesome that they are going with Moore….throw the kid in there. Frontline stuff wins in October.

  2. RadioKev September 29th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Joe Maddon must have fun with his job. This guy gets to experiment all he wants, because the Rays always have to go for broke.

  3. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    It really is amazing that the Rays are going in game 1 with a kid with 1 major league start. Yeah he was impressive but still. Could you imagine the Yanks doing that? If it was between Moore or Vazquez or Moore or AJ the Yanks would go with the veteran everytime.

  4. m September 29th, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    I thought they would carry Colon. But if they are not, I’d rather see Noesi than Ayala. And it really has nothing to do with the last game of the season.

    Is Coke a big part of their bullpen? He’s not the setup is he? Last I saw, he had an ERA of at least 4.

  5. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Madden is never afraid to try things and go outside the box….Moore has a better chance of throwing a gem than Niemann

  6. m September 29th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    It’s not that big a gamble going with Moore. They would have the advantage in any other matchups, and sometimes the first game can go either way no matter who has the better starter.

  7. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Ayala would be my 3rd choice of Colon, Noesi, and him. I’d probably take Noesi to be honest because he’s got the best swing and miss stuff of those 3 right now. AJ and Hughes can long relieve

  8. Red Robin September 29th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    I hope Joe posts how all the Experts pick the Tigres over them at the players lockers.

  9. m September 29th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Is that Laird next to Nunez? He could lose a few pounds. He’s looking like a Red Sock there! Hopefully he stays out of bars and doesn’t hang out with his brother. The Yankees might need his glove at 3B in the near future.

  10. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    The Rays have Shields for games 2 and 5 so the game 1 starter is not as big of a deal given Moore will only start once in the series.

  11. ZMAN September 29th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    “Is that Laird next to Nunez? He could lose a few pounds. ”

    He’ll be sent to the fat farm with Hughes again this spring training ;)

  12. Pat M. September 29th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    m….Laird was kind of husky even in HS…….Tricia brought up some very sound observations at the end of the last thread…….Bottom line is this, The NY Yankees have better ballplayers, are deeper and more balanced….They also have the best bullpen and that’s what is going to carry them, or should be the difference….

  13. Tyler September 29th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Maddon is also under a lot less pressure being in Tampa than New York. If he was in New York, I personally think that he would probably go with the veteran also. New York is a whole different animal for young pitchers especially come playoff time.

  14. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    You have to get Verlander early in the game and grind out AB’s against him….the Yanks ran him pitch count up in that opener this year. His velo usually is lowest the first couple of innings and rises as the game goes…..gotta get to him before he planes out because that’s when he cruises at 98

  15. Tyler September 29th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Pat M-

    Totally agree with that. The Yanks are the deepest team in the playoffs looking at the overall club. Their bench is very strong and balanced, the back end of the ‘pen is the best in baseball. They are built to play October baseball.

  16. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Moore-Shields-Price-Hellickson-Shields.

    Just think of Moore as the 4th starter that happens to be going in game 1.

    The Rangers have never seen him before and he has dominant stuff. I think it works out.

  17. Pat M. September 29th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    blake……For me that is the key to Game 1 regarding the lineup’s approach….

  18. m September 29th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Pat M.

    Good to see you around.

    I agree. Managers don’t have the luxury of sticking with their starters, so the bullpen is going to be huge. I think we’ll see multiple inning guys at some point.

  19. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    The Yanks have the best team aside from the rotation…..I think they have the best lineup, the best pen, and the most playoff experience.

    They just have to get enough starting pitching….it doesn’t have to carry them….but they have to get just enough to allow those other areas where they have the advantage to shine

  20. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Pat M,

    yup…..they beat Verlander in game 1 and the pressure swings to Detroit big time…..

  21. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    I’m surprised they are starting Moore but its absolutely what they should do. If he can keep his emotions in check and let his ability take over then he’ll be fine

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Got some pretty cool stats for ya. These are odds, not the line.

    I don’ know squat about betting but I do know that the Yankee odds are better than any other AL team odds.

    Odds to win the 2011 AL Pennant

    Detroit Tigers

    13/4

    New York Yankees

    11/8

    Tampa Bay Rays

    4/1

    Texas Rangers

    13/4

  23. blake September 29th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Boston Red Sox

    0/0 :)

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    This is a repost for anyone who might want more stats on the two teams – in case you didn’t see it in the other thread.

    _____________

    Just because the prejudiced talking heads are now on the Tiger bandwagon since they can no longer root for the best team assembled in the history of baseball (think about those predictions before you even worry about what they’re currently predicting), I pefer to look at some stats. At least they should have something to back up their claims better than vapid proclamations.

    The Yankees have the best record in the AL, better than all of the other AL contenders. This they have amassed while playing in the most difficult division in the majors. The Yankees have more than 100 runs more than the Tigers. Their ERA is more than .25 lower than the Tigers, and this again is playing against much more challenging and competitive teams. In fielding the Yankees are ranked ahead of the Tigers, though the comparisons are pretty even.

    The Yankees also having something going for them that the Tigers do not – tons of postseason experience.

    If the Tigers find a way to coat the ball with pinetar, a la 2006, and Girardi sits like a mope the way Torre did, then the Yankees might have a little difficulty. Other than that, I can’t see the Tigers beating the Yanks.

    You know that the pitching against is virtually neck in neck. Nobody has really lit up the other team. Therefore I go to overall team stats and HFA.

    **********

    This is just to help people who aren’t content with the overall good feeling that the Yanks will emerge victorious.

    I was good to go no matter who the competition.

    I don’t see anyone beating the Yankees (which doesn’t mean the Yanks will sweep all of their series! Just that they will end up winning the world series)

  25. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Hopefully we see the good CC tomorrow. They need him to hold down the Tigers lineup while the Yanks go to work against Verlander. Keeping his pitch count down his been a problem for him recently but I expect to see the real CC tomorrow.

  26. Pat M. September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    LGY…..I have to say The Texas Rangers are a very dangerous club that walks with swagger….I saw 5 times this season vs. The Angels are they play hard and are tough……

  27. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    blake, here’s a Vegas site you might want to stay away from:

    http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures/

    Notice that it said it was updated 9/29/2011 at 10:00 p.m.

    :D

  28. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Pat M,

    Yea Texas is very good….good offense, good pen, and solid rotation. They’ll be tough…..if the Yanks face them in the ALCS though the one thing that I like is that the Yanks mash LHP and the Rangers are very heavy there.

  29. blake September 29th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    trisha,

    lol

    I’m out guys…..tomorrow is go time!

  30. LGY September 29th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Pat M

    Yeah I agree. Texas with that offense especially in that ballpark is very dangerous. And the Rays offense is just so bad.

    This is really more me talking about what I want to see than what I expect to see :D

  31. m September 29th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Nice to see some of the old faces come out again. That means the postseason is here!

    I can’t believe it starts up tomorrow. Feels like the Yankees could have used 1 more day, but ready or not it kicks off tomorrow.

  32. jacksquat September 29th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Posada is 2 for 9 vs Verlander this year. He went 0-4 in the first game of the year and 2-5 on May 2nd. Verlander’s ERA before that 2nd game was 3.64; good, but he had not gone into beast mode yet.

  33. CB September 29th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    I could see the Rangers having difficulty with Moore. He is very, very good.

    Throws the ball a bit like Cole Hamels in terms of delivery – but has more life on the ball.

    The question is whether Moore can stay within the game given how big the spot is. But he had to throw one of the games so it was going to be a challenge for him regardless.

  34. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    I knew the Rays were going to start Moore – I said that last night.

    As to long men, AJ will provide that – I don’t see how Hughes can; he’s pitched less than 3 innings over the last few weeks.

    Tigers are dangerous, but it’s ridiculous that no one is respecting the Yankees; I guess people want to be creative. Either way, it doesn’t matte – the teams will win or lose on their own merits. I don’t intend to read any analysis of the series – what’s the point?

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Finally, note that neither Verlander nor Fister beat the Yankees this year.

  36. m September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Who would you rather see as a long man, AJ or Hughes? I’d take Hughes.

    It will all work itself out.

    We have a lot of good pitchers, so Joe can go with the quick hook.

  37. m September 29th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    That is to say, I don’ t think there are hard and set roles for these guys. At least it shouldn’t be.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    “I don’t intend to read any analysis of the series – what’s the point?”

    I don’t either. I’ve watched enough baseball this season to cross my eyes. On top of it I don’t trust the same d-bags who predicted the best team ever assembled in the history of the game would take it all, to talk to me about jack squat.

    I don’t need anybody’s analysis. I trust my eyes and the knowledge of the situations that I am able to glean myself.

    While I don’t believe the Tigers will be a total cakewalk, nor do I believe that they match up to the Yankees.

    Edge – Yankees

    :)

  39. Pat M. September 29th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    CB….I missed you earlier and I commented how your observations about Montero’s bat speed and how it equates to the Bombers success was solid…By the time I read it you were gone and I understand…..He’ll be huge vs. Texas as blake pointed out vs southpaws……

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Betsy, who was respecting the Yankees in predicting for the postseason anyway, other than Yankee fans?

    It’s all bullcrap designed to put fans (and players?) into a twist.

  41. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    M, I don’t particularly care, but it’s not about who I would prefer. Hughes is not stretched out……In any case, let’s hope we don’t need a long man. Ideally we want to go from CC/Nova to Soriano/Robertson/Mo.

    Trish, no one……but after the season the Yankees have had, it’s a joke that no one thinks they can win. I’m boycotting all articles/analysis on the post-season. If the Yankees win, I can get my Yankee talk here. If they lose, I sure don’t want to read about it.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    “The Yanks are the deepest team in the playoffs looking at the overall club. Their bench is very strong and balanced, the back end of the ‘pen is the best in baseball. They are built to play October baseball.”,

    Alpha…Omega

    Night all. I am calm as a tranquil sea. I love this time of year. I love the Yanks clinching the division and HFA. I love the Yanks playing the hardest teams in the AL for more of the season than the other AL contenders (save Tamps) and still coming away with the best record.

    Most of all, I love our chances.

    ONWARD AND UPWARD! GO YOU TITAN YANKEES!!!

  43. CB September 29th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Pat M.,

    I just think his skill set and tools would be particularly useful against the Tigers. He’s turned around some impressive pitches already.

    Very special bat. Extremely impressed. Not even so much that Jorge is necessarily going to be a disaster – it’s more about getting Montero’s bat in the line up.

    Posada against Fister would make sense. But especially Verlander and Scherzer – I think Montero gives the team the better chance of winning.

  44. 4 NYY September 29th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I heard Mitch Williams todaysay CC must win 1st. game to take pressure off of Nova. ( that it would be too much for him to handle ) Personally, I don’t think Nova has a problem of not being confident. I think he’s come a long way this year and is very confident of his stuff, now that he really mixes his pitches well. No way to predict how he does, I know, but have a feeling he’ll do well.

    And CC is also loaded with confidence and can be tough against anyone.

  45. johnfish September 29th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Posada is 2 for 9 vs Verlander this year. He went 0-4 in the first game of the year and 2-5 on May 2nd. Verlander’s ERA before that 2nd game was 3.64; good, but he had not gone into beast mode yet.
    ————————————————————————
    No, Posada was 2 for 9 in games started by Verlander; he was 2 for 6 against Verlander, a single & double in the May 2nd game, & 0 for 3 against the relievers

  46. m September 29th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I think we’d all love a gem from CC. His former battery mate kills him. It’s a shame he’s on the Tigers.

  47. 4 NYY September 29th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Gotta add : Where’s the “greatest team ever assembled “? Sorry sucks fans. * (not ) *

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    “Trish, no one……but after the season the Yankees have had, it’s a joke that no one thinks they can win. I’m boycotting all articles/analysis on the post-season. If the Yankees win, I can get my Yankee talk here. If they lose, I sure don’t want to read about it.”

    Betsy you are already ahead of the game with this attitude. I have never read pre-games analysis. I’m none the worse for it, believe me. And I definitely don’t read the mortals’ versions of who played how after the games – even when the Yankees win.

    I trust my eyes and don’t need their downing or their plaudits.

    Who are they? Hell we on this Yankee forum watch more Yankee games per season than they could ever hope to. We know our guys much better than they do.

    ;)

  49. Captain Clutch September 29th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    I think it’s fair to say if Maddon was the Yankees manager Montero would be the DH in every play off game. He is going with talent over experience with Moore and that’s what should of happened with Montero. Too bad he can’t catch a game so they can get his bat in the lineup also.

  50. Triple Short of a Cycle September 29th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    I honestly don’t see what the point was in bringing Montero up at all this year. The whole crap about giving him a chance to effect the post season is as hollow now as the fake 5th starter battle last year.

    Montero is not ready to hit against righties now but come April he will be?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Montero starts in the minors next season that is if they don’t trade him this winter

  51. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Trish, right – what are they going to tell me that I don’t know? Most of the time, they are going to be dead wrong.. If I read the stuff, I’ll get upset – and none of these writers are worth it.

    It doesn’t matter anyway. As a Bears fan, I remember every single expert picking the Saints in the NFC Championship game a few years ago. I guess the Bears didn’t read that they were supposed to have no shot, lol.

  52. 4 NYY September 29th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Am I the only one that was unaware that John Axford was originally a Yankee ?

    Don’t recall hearing that until a few days ago.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 29th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    “Trish, right – what are they going to tell me that I don’t know? Most of the time, they are going to be dead wrong.. If I read the stuff, I’ll get upset – and none of these writers are worth it.”

    Absolutely Betsy. I hate to say it but I think just about all of the writers have some built-in bias and so cannot effectively separate out their feelings from their analysis. Think Pete Abe and his love for Arod.

    “It doesn’t matter anyway. As a Bears fan, I remember every single expert picking the Saints in the NFC Championship game a few years ago. I guess the Bears didn’t read that they were supposed to have no shot, lol.”

    :lol:

    And that’s what I mean. What better primer than all of the talking heads picking the Sux to win it all? No no no. Discussion and information sharing with fans who have been here through thick and thin. That’s all I need to round out my postseason experience.

    I’m going to try to get some rest because I know once tomorrow starts, we’re in for the long haul!

    Night Betsy

    :)

  54. Betsy September 29th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Night, Trish!

  55. waka flocka September 29th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Kind of a bummer to me that Colon isn’t on the roster. He’s clearly a victim of Burnett being paid so much. Hopefully Colon gets in somehow.

  56. Asd September 29th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    I honestly believe that if the yanks get past Detroit, they’re going to the WS, no sweat. I think they match up well against both Texas and Tampa Bay.

  57. 4 NYY September 29th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    waka flocka September 29th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Kind of a bummer to me that Colon isn’t on the roster. He’s clearly a victim of Burnett being paid so much. Hopefully Colon gets in somehow.
    =======================================================

    I didn’t even catch that ! I would trust Colon over AJ any day, in relief or as a SP.

    Oh well, we’ll see. Can’t predict baseball. ( except for AJ ) LOL

  58. Tarheel In NYC September 29th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    David Letterman’s Top Ten List tonight was “Top Ten Things Overheard in the Boston Red Sox Clubhouse”.

    My favorite: “Hey! What’s FEMA doing here?”

    :D

  59. MoRings42 September 30th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    It does say “projected”. Colon could still be on there.

  60. pat September 30th, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Terry Francona will meet with Red Sox management on Friday morning, and the expected resolution is that he no longer will be the team’s manager, major league sources say.

    While Francona’s departure is not certain, it is the likely outcome, in part because he is pressing for a resolution, sources say. He would not be fired; the Red Sox would simply decline their club options on him for 2012 and ’13.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....sox-092911

  61. P September 30th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    I remember the last post-season against Detroit and you know what the Yankee’s bats did ? NOTHING.. but that was then and this is now. However, aside from nothing what I remember seeing the NYY’s offense was a whole lot of first pitch swinging over-aggressiveness ! I remember saying to myself.. “step out of the box, disrupt the pitchers game” I know they are going to be aggressive against Verlander.. and that is fine, but for Pete’s sake, don’t work for the pitcher by allowing him to pitch “his game”.. ! If you see that the hitter(s) before swung at the first or second pitch and made an out.. just DO NOT do the same !!

    Other than that, I fear Miggy Cabrera.. he beat us in the Marlins WS, and has owned CC. By no means is the series a walk in the park.. this will be an exciting series no doubt and aside from what I mentioned above.. I am pretty optimistic that will get the job done. If CC dominates, I believe we’ll get to Verlander.

    Lastly, a change of subject.. so is Bartolo Cologne done for ?

  62. m September 30th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    pat,

    Sounds like he wants to have his pick of jobs before they start getting filled.

    He’s a good guy, and the Sox don’t deserve him.

    Maybe he wants the Sox to give him a lifeboat before the ship sinks. :P

  63. Tarheel In NYC September 30th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Based on interviews I’ve listened to and read, Terry Francona sounds pretty burned out and emotionally exhausted. It might do him a world of good to get out of Boston.

  64. UnKnown September 30th, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Great stuff today with all the workout pressers and the continued meltdown talk of the Sux.

    I have no clue what to do with Verlander. If you try to run his pitch count up there it might not help becuase he can go 130 if Leyland lets him.

    So I think the one constant Verlander has shown is that you can get to him early. Like 1st inning early. Try to sit on fastballs and maybe he walks a few guys as well.

    I think you get one or two guys on and crush a 3-run shot. After that hold on to that lead for dear life. More than likely there will be no breathing room for SoRoMo. Hopefully we can go from CC to Robertson to MO and by pass Soriano.

  65. P September 30th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    (If) Girardi sits like a mope the way Torre did, then the Yankees might have a little difficulty.

    So true.. I asked myself during that series if Torre was sleeping.. there was not an ounce of passion or excitement from him. I know he has a very relaxed demeanor, but I kept wanting to see him get up and make some noise.. fire up the team a bit.

    I sure hope Girardi shows some fire.. gets us all fired up and show some excitement instead of leaning on the rail with that space cadet stare and emotionless demeanor.

    —-

    My other 2 concerns:

    1) Mark Teixeira
    2) Mark Teixeira
    3) Mark Teixeira

    (Yes, I know I said 2)

    Please don’t say, “Did you now see his 2 HR’s last night” .. Tex’s offense is just missing in action the majority of the time, and then a small percentage of the time he is a monster.. I sure hope we get the monster, but it is so hard to be optimistic based on his stats.

    When Tex is on this team is usually on.. same with Jeter, when he is on, the team is on !!

  66. Tyler September 30th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Francona will have his choice of jobs. He is a good manager and up until this year was very good at handling players. That team just had no chemistry whatsoever. If he doesn’t take a year off, maybe he will go to the Chi Sox? Still a pretty manageable payroll in a big market with not nearly as much pressure as Boston…

  67. m September 30th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Jackie Mac pounding the Red Sox for their lack of chemistry.

    I could never imagine any of this stuff happening in the Yankees clubhouse. Big credit to CC for making assimilation of 3 new key members to the 2009 team. Girardi, too. All the Yankees seem to check their egos at the clubhouse door.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/.....-chemistry

  68. P September 30th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    I ABSOLUTELY HATE VALVERDE AND HIS APE LIKE CHEST POUNDING !

  69. Tyler September 30th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    m-

    The Yanks clubhouse is full of quality guys now. Guys like Swisher keep the mood loose with a business like atmosphere also provided by the veterans of the team. It’s a perfect mix. The guys really seem to like each other.

  70. P September 30th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    While the Rays were young, hungry and edgy, the Redsox were arrogant, complacent and, worst of all, entitled.

    Uh, we had a terrible clubhouse chemistry when Randy Johnson/Scheffield was on the team. I loved watch Shef play, but between the two of them, my dad said that they really disrupted the clubhouse. Also, at that time Arod was Mr. Narcissism craving for attention like a little boy lost in the mall.

    I don’t know if our chemistry was as bad as the Redsox team was the year, but from what my dad said, it was pretty bad.

  71. m September 30th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    The only problem with that season was a rain delay in Johnson’s start. Well, that’s the only thing I remember from it. That might have been the year that Shef and Bubba crashed into each other. If so, make that two problems. If that’s the year then Matsui and Shef just came back from injuries and A-rod batted 7th. If that’s the year, then some of that was Torre.

  72. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    IMO two guys who come out of that sh*tpile smelling good are Ellsbury and Pedroia.

  73. P September 30th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    anybody remember Chad Gaudin beaming Miggy ?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......8;c_id=mlb

  74. m September 30th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    lol, Bronx.

    After reading the article I posted, I vaguely remember the comments questioning Ellsbury’s toughness. But not who said them.

    Gotta be hard being lockers away from someone you criticized especially since you’re doing nothing to contribute yourself.

    I think I heard Ron Darling say on the radio is what happens in these kinds of collapses is that people start slumping or playing horribly and they stop looking each other in the eyes.

    I can imagine that this kind of stuff carries out onto the field. And the stuff on the field comes into the clubhouse.

    The Sox only have 12 players under contract next year. Of course there are more than a handful of arby guys. But blowing up the team is not a bad idea. Get rid of Ortiz, he sucks the air out of the room. Bring in someone who’s going to manage and not be your buddy. Sit down both Crawford and Gonzalez and let them know the less you say (and write), the better. I could go on and on down the list, but I don’t want to give the Red Sox too many of my ideas. :)

  75. UnKnown September 30th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    P September 30th, 2011 at 12:55 am
    anybody remember Chad Gaudin beaming Miggy ?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play……8;c_id=mlb

    Well that video isn’t very comforting. Cooper the HP ump in that game will have the dish Game 3 of this ALDS.

  76. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    And man did Pete rip Adrian Gonzalez today. Not so much for AGon’s whole “God hates the Sox” theory but more for him complaining about ESPN games and the schedule. Pete also said that Crawford was accountable and took it like a man.

    Those two got a real wake up call to big league life in the spotlight.

  77. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    m,

    I agree about letting Ortiz take his act elsewhere. DH’s should be seen and not heard. :wink:

  78. luis September 30th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    m,

    Just checking back in…..please don’t give them good ideas, is better that they go the Muts way!, lol….Very good piece that you posted…the only thing that i don’t agree with is that they became what they hated the most, they just couldn’t handle the pressure of being the top dog in the lawn, so they collapsed under the weight of expectations….that’s why i love the Yankees they always stand up to the challenge and more often than not they prevail, even in defeat they are larger than life…..Go Yankees!!!

  79. luis September 30th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Another thing….i don’t know if you noticed, but the writer of the article still used the frase “Greatest team ever asemble”, that’s the difference between our team and theirs, they are arrogant till the end, while the Yankees are just sure of themselves.

  80. UnKnown September 30th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Isn’t Brian Anderson the color guy for the Rays? And now he is the play by play for this series.

  81. m September 30th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Oh, and another thing (this one I don’t mind sharing with the Sox)

    If they get rid of Theo and Tito, I think it will appease the fan base. They clean house, bring in a new GM, new manager, and revamp the roster. This would truly be a bridge year, or first of many (hahaha).

    But isn’t that what small market teams do? Blow it up and build again?

  82. Bronx Jeers September 30th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    One last post from another Beantown Nostradamus who was responding to someone that suggested that the Sox would finish 3rd because of a lack of SP depth.

    ———-

    steve Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:57 pm PST

    3rd place? No starting pitching? Dude ya gotta be kidding me! Must be another terrified yanks fan. yanks don’t even know who their third starter is gonna be yet. And I’ll take our five against any other rotation in baseball (including Philadelphia!). Lester is gonna win the Cy young this season. He’s gonna win 20 along with Beckett and Buchholz. Dice-K and lackey are good for at 14 w’s each with our new lineup. We got starting pitching. Bullpen is gonna be much better than last years. Excellent defense. And, oh yeah, the scariest lineup in baseball. Red Sox will win at least 100 games this year. Take that to the bank! And 100 win teams don’t finish in 3rd.

  83. luis September 30th, 2011 at 1:32 am

    It’s really late, so i’ll call it a day, tomorrow is abig day!!! good night all.

    m,

    I sure hope they do and spend a few years in the cellar!!, lol

  84. UnKnown September 30th, 2011 at 1:38 am

    I don’t think ESPN likes Tim Kurkijan calling last night the greatest night in regular seson history. lol

  85. UnKnown September 30th, 2011 at 1:40 am

    These idiots on Baseball Tonight won’t even talk about the actually playoff matchups. They just want to try and console each other and talk Sux.

    Whatever fine by me. More enjoyable than hearing them all pick the Tigers to win.

  86. m September 30th, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Anyway, enough of the Sox for now. Tomorrow is going to be Yankees, Yankees, Yankees. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox chose to make personnel moves tomorrow. Of course you won’t hear a peep about how they’re upstaging the playoffs. \Yankees-Torre’d :?

  87. Captain Clutch September 30th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    This is a great video from youtube on the Sox collapse. Just great…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

  88. m September 30th, 2011 at 2:22 am

    Accuscore has us as a 54-46 favorite.

    ESPN predictions:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoff.....redictions

    Only the espn stats guy had the Yankees winning it all.

    Chad, please slip this to the players. Thanks ;)

  89. BJK September 30th, 2011 at 2:32 am

    Captain Clutch September 30th, 2011 at 1:52 am
    This is a great video from youtube on the Sox collapse. Just great…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNpJX8b-bc

    ————————————————————————————————-

    This is unbelievable. A memory to be cherished for the ages. Thanks for posting.

  90. BJK September 30th, 2011 at 2:34 am

    m September 30th, 2011 at 2:22 am
    Accuscore has us as a 54-46 favorite.

    ESPN predictions:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoff…..redictions

    Only the espn stats guy had the Yankees winning it all.

    Chad, please slip this to the players. Thanks

    ——————————————————————————————-

    I expected at least 7 or 8 of them to still pick the Sox.

  91. Robin September 30th, 2011 at 2:40 am

    Ken Rosenthal reports Francona to be fired on Friday

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....sox-092911

  92. BJK September 30th, 2011 at 2:49 am

    Robin September 30th, 2011 at 2:40 am
    Ken Rosenthal reports Francona to be fired on Friday

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s…..sox-092911

    ————————————————————————————————–

    Awesome. Francona is too good for the Red Sox. Let him go where he’ll be appreciated and make them regret letting him leave.

  93. bardos September 30th, 2011 at 4:38 am

    Montero’s value has never been higher. Brilliant moment fro cashman.

    He has now proved he can be a stud hitter in the major leagues. The only thing is, do the Yankees have room for him? Girardi has shown that he does not really trust him behind the plate and that he considers him a DH.

    The Yankees need to reserve the DH slot as a revolving rest-the-older-player slot. I can see Montero easily being traded this winter for an ace starter.

  94. raymagnetic September 30th, 2011 at 6:37 am

    That was the most beautiful youtube video I think I have ever seen. :evil:

  95. raymagnetic September 30th, 2011 at 6:38 am

    Montero isn’t going to be traded.

  96. Triple Short of a Cycle September 30th, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Montero isn’t going to be traded.

    —————————————

    why not he was in the Ubaldo deal and he’s not even an ace

  97. raymagnetic September 30th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    “why not he was in the Ubaldo deal and he’s not even an ace”

    Source?

  98. raymagnetic September 30th, 2011 at 6:57 am

    If you’re referring to Colorado’s nonsensical trade demands then you are sadly mistaken.

  99. Triple Short of a Cycle September 30th, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Montero was the one player agreed upon in the deal. Everyone else is where the trade fell apart. I look for the source later on as I have to leave for work but Pat M said the same thing

  100. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 7:04 am

    Morning, well took a day off yesterday from anything Yankee. Today is game 1. I just looked at the schedule and it looks like the Yanks need to be playing for 3 of 4. While you can beat anybody on any given day the vision of facing Verlander on full rest against Nova on short rest isn’t a matchup you would welcome for a 5th game.

    Today is the key game, going out and beating Verlander in the first game would be hugh. Hopefully we can get to him early because as the game goes on he just gets stronger. CC needs to pitch and Yanks bat needs to score runs.

  101. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 7:06 am

    raymagnetic September 30th, 2011 at 6:38 am
    Montero isn’t going to be traded

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Agree, if Cashman traded him, then all the blah blah he says about developing players would just be talking out both sides of his mouth.

  102. Against All Odds September 30th, 2011 at 7:07 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Montero starts in the minors next season

    ————-

    Montero starting next yr in the minors is like Joba starting 2008 in the minors after what he did in 2007….it’s not going to happen. He’s going to make the team especially with Jorge gone

  103. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Montero has been discussed in trades but the fact that he ultimately is never dealt also speaks volumes……GMs will talk about a lot of things…….that doesn’t mean they are serious about it. I don’t see how they could deal Montero at all now.

    Unless Francona himself ia ready for a change …..I think the Sox are looking for a scapegoat if they let him go…….theo, the players, and their scouting and development people are much more to blame……..they had no pitchers and no farm system to help
    …..that’s not on Tito

  104. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    good morning all
    that U-tube video posted by Capt Clutch is hysterical.

    espn, of course, led off w/ the red sox collapse/Terry Francona departure story. They had a sweet segment on Jeter. The top 10 baseball plays of the season included Jeet’s 3000th and Mo’s 602. #1 was Longo hitting the game winning HR.

  105. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Montero will be in the lineup every day next season.

  106. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Red Sox Decline……bad times never seemed so bad……Theo should resign………

  107. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:12 am
    Montero has been discussed in trades but the fact that he ultimately is never dealt also speaks volumes……GMs will talk about a lot of things…….that doesn’t mean they are serious about it. I don’t see how they could deal Montero at all now.

    Unless Francona himself ia ready for a change …..I think the Sox are looking for a scapegoat if they let him go…….theo, the players, and their scouting and development people are much more to blame……..they had no pitchers and no farm system to help
    …..that’s not on Tito

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    When Buckholtz and Dice K got injured that was their downfall. Lets face it you can talk about the quality of the Yanks second line starters, but other than the Hughes dead arm period and Barto’s ankle injuries didn’t impact the Yanks SP. I think given those two guys were there all year for the Sox I’d have to give them 5-10 more wins.

  108. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 7:16 am

    my best guess is Montero plays everyday, splitting his time between catching and DHing

  109. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    The big questions I think are around Arod and Tex. What is Arod going to do and did Tex break out of his funk in that last game against TB? To throw in another what do we expect from Soriano when he gets his turn.

  110. sunny615 September 30th, 2011 at 7:25 am

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoff.....redictions

    ESPN postseason predictions by their “experts”.
    (Of course we all know how well their pre-season predictions worked out.)

    Any way, only one picked the Yankees to win it all, and about 5 more picked them to make the WS, but losing to the Phils or Brewers.

  111. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:15 am
    Red Sox Decline……bad times never seemed so bad……Theo should resign………

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Blake injuries have killed them the past two seasons. Clearly that’s either really bad luck or a problem with conditoning or managerial style. After two in a row it seems like someone will have to get the axe. I don’t think Theo goes anywhere, it’s always easirer to fire the manager. Terry is going to get the axe. Lets start a Lou Pinella going to Boston rumor. :-)

  112. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Eh Dice K stinks …..Bucholtz coukd have made a difference maybe. Injuries happen…the Yanks were counting on Hughes to be their 2 starter this year…….but they built the depth to survive when he wasn’t ……the Sox didn’t do that and that’s on Theo.

  113. sunny615 September 30th, 2011 at 7:28 am

    SI.com’s Cocoran picks Yanks in 4 in ALDS.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....mlb_t11_a2

  114. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Gary,

    Yea….Francona is going to be the fall guy….but he didn’t sign all thesedays guys that are underperforming or hurt all the time.

    Too bad Ozzie already has a job :)

  115. PittsburghYankeeFan September 30th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    By Tom Verducci in SI this AM

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Hey, Tom, why didn’t you include the media is this paean to game 162? All of the talk of the Sox as the greatest team ever? Trying to deflect a little bit of the enormous egg on all of your collective faces?

    Won’t work this time, since we have the internet to remind us forever of all of your lame predictions.

  116. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Life has a way of evening things out over time.

    In 2004 the Sux did something to the Yankees that was regarded by many as the greatest PS comback of all time.

    It had never been done before.

    In 2011 the Sux were annointed early as the THE team to beat for the WS.

    The chosen ones.

    End result. The Sux also do something that has never been done.

    They pull off the biggest collapse in baseball history.

    Isn’t life a kick in the head ?

    :)

    P.S. I hope they fire Francona because that’s exactly the wrong move.
    It should be Crapstein who gets the axe.

  117. PittsburghYankeeFan September 30th, 2011 at 7:43 am

    sunny615

    Bet against these supposed “experts.” They have lost all credibility, and refuse to accept it. Their predictions are a good as some random person you ask in the subway–that’s all they have left.

    And we let these clowns choose for the HOF and the annual MVP awards? Maybe we should ask ourselves why.

  118. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    So who is gonna be the Sux new Manager ?

    I think they go younger like we did after the Torre era and definitely Sabre.

    ;)

  119. sunny615 September 30th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Agreed… ESPN isn’t much of an expert on anything…

  120. sunny615 September 30th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    There are rumors swirling already that it could be the Phillies’ bench coach Pete Mackanin.

  121. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    It’s nice to think of the Sux sinking back into the cesspool from where they came.

    :)

  122. PittsburghYankeeFan September 30th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    The Sox are in a hole, that’s for sure. They remind me of the 2008 Mets after the (now) second to worst collapse in ML history.

    What’s the Mets payroll? $140 million or so? Their record for the past 3 years?

    I see the same thing happening to the Sox. I see the start of the same thing happening to the Sox with Francona out today.

  123. 108 stitches September 30th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    If Burnett is used out of the bullpen in the ALDS, give him one clean inning and don’t tempt fate. He normally starts OK but implodes after.

  124. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    I’d love to see some upsets this PS.

    Like the Phillies getting knocked out early, The D-Backs overcoming the Brew crew, and the Rays erasing the Rangers.

    It’s just my imagination runnin’ away with me.

    :)

  125. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    From the Verducci article linked.

    “There was Yankees manager Joe Girardi, who treated Game 162 like a Rubik’s Cube, toying and fiddling with it for his own amusement. The guy ran out of pitchers with expanded rosters, which meant leaving poor Proctor out to dry. This was because he was not about to use the greatest closer in history, Mariano Rivera, though Rivera has thrown all of 11 pitches in the previous two days and 28 pitches in the previous week. Think what it meant for Boston — its season in the hands of Proctor while Rivera remained in bubble wrap. It wasn’t Girardi’s job to worry about Boston, but the lack of any semblance of game normalcy just seemed downright weird.”

    This is really starting to tick me off……sorry Tom but Thems the breaks and that’s the reward for actually playing well and winning your division……you can manager however you feel is best to prepare your team for Game 1 and there is no obligation to try and save a floundering Red Sox team when they did nothing to save themselves.

    In a system that offers the division winners zero advantage for the playoffs ……they have the right to take every advantage they can get leading up to that point..

  126. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Burnett shouldn’t even be on the PS roster.

    He should be out fishin’ and sloppin’ the hogs.

  127. blake September 30th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    The Sox will attempt to trade John Lackey for Feliz Hernadez and the idea will be met with wide approval by the MSM

  128. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    We don’t “let” the choose HOF and MVP, etc. They invented the awards themselves.

    Actually, back in the day, writer really did have the best information for voting on these things – they saw more of the games, had more access to the players. Tracked the basic statistics.

    With regional sports networks, ESPN, MLB, TBS becoming a “superstation,” even WGN being broadcast out of region on cable, the average fan if he/she so chooses can have the same exposure, heck sometimes more.

    Also, the proliferation of stats and a way to easily access them (baseball-reference.com, and the like), has helped the fan to become more knowledgable.

    But those awards only exist because the writers themselves created them.

  129. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    John Lackey is like a leper in Boston right now.

    I can’t imagine there is anyone more disliked.

    Even Curt Schilling was raggin’ on him.

    Great thing is that they’re stuck with him.

    :)

  130. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    That bugged me as well Blake. Then they point to Detroit using Valverde…hellooooo…Detroit was still trying for the 2nd best record. Or Philly, again helloooo…Philly has an extra day off.

    Girardi did not tank that game. And if you think he did, then he also tanked the 14 inning game the red sox won, so the net effect is the same.

    From the various mlb xm shows I have listened to, the commentators overwhelmingly support Girardi.

  131. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    blake -

    Verducci wrote that???

    Yeah, cause Boston didn’t have enough chances to win on their own for a whole month? Because it’s Joe Girardi’s job to protect the season of the Boston Red Sox??? Give me a freakin’ break!

    And for anyone who says the Phillies played their full lineup – the Phillies clinched earlier than the Yankees and rested their starters earlier – they lost 8 (EIGHT!) in a row before the last two series of their season, when they decided to play all their starters again to sharpen up for the playoffs and then, surprise, they stopped the losing streak.

    Girardi struck a good balance, in my mind. I think, in my opinion, the thought was if we win, great, but that’s not the ultimate purpose of these last few games. The purpose of hte last few games is to set up the rotation and bullpen as best as can be done, and let the position players get a little time off while still playing enough to stay sharp. Winning any of the last 4 games would have been icing on the cake, but the goal was to be ready for Today.

    Verducci and the rest of them need a reality check. In whose world do other teams exist to service Boston? It’s sickening.

  132. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    kate -

    I didn’t realize that the Phillies also had an extra day off.

    And, good point that Detroit was still playing for something. Had Texas lost, Detroit would have hosted the Rays at home, right?

  133. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Also a good point about division winners having no advantage really over the wild card, and the advantage earned by clinching division is the right to get your house in order before the playoffs start.

  134. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Also, if you want to get down to brass tacks, in the Rays game, in the latter innings, Girardi used pitchers who were actually in contention for playoff roster spots in Logan, Ayala and Wade. He did not use AAA pitchers at the end of that game.

    Also, Corey Wade has been very effective for the Yankees this season and was down to the final strike before Johnson hit his game-tying HR

    Once the game goes into extra innings, if I’m the Yankees, I say, we did all we could to win in regulation, now whatever happens happens.

  135. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Blake/Kate/VN-

    I am not surprised that Girardi is facing questions regarding the way he chose to manage that last game.

    He had the right to do whatever he thought was best but he did not manage to win that final game.

    He also left Scott Proctor out there to dry. He threw over 50 pitches.

    I agree that it was “wierdly” managed.

    As far as “tanking” it. I can’t say for sure.

    In any event, what TB did was heroic.

    They are a cinderella team now. And aside from the Yanks I’m pullin’ for them.

    ;)

    JMO.

  136. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Blake, I read that yesterday – Verdouchebag ticked me off with those asinine comments. He’s a very good writer, but he says some awfully stupid things.

  137. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    And just so I’m clear I could care less if Bahston gets the shaft.

    The more the better.

    :)

  138. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Joe handled everything very well – I couldn’t ask more from him. Tom Turkey is just upset that the Sox are out……….oh well. I liked him better when he wrote for Newsday. Both he and Buster Brown used to be good when in NY – now they are just run of the mill critics

  139. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I hope the Rays get blasted out of existence. I HATED watching them celebrate………

  140. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Boston didn’t get any shaft except that they shafted themselves

  141. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Betsy-

    Like I said that’s fine with me Betsy.

    It’s a great pleasure to me to see the Sux go down in flames and be in disarray.

    They’ve made a lot of bad moves and I hope it continues.

    I believe it will.

    :)

  142. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:02 am
    That bugged me as well Blake. Then they point to Detroit using Valverde…hellooooo…Detroit was still trying for the 2nd best record. Or Philly, again helloooo…Philly has an extra day off.

    Girardi did not tank that game. And if you think he did, then he also tanked the 14 inning game the red sox won, so the net effect is the same.

    From the various mlb xm shows I have listened to, the commentators overwhelmingly support Girardi.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    Kate, I would have been fine if they brought in Mo or Robertson to stop the bleeding in the 8th. I really didn’t even care who they put out in the 9th. Just my opinion and others will disagree, but somebody different should have been pitching to Longoria in the 8th. Just my opinion again, but I did want to win the last game and break the losing streak and go into the playoffs in regulation, not with the result we got of a walkoff in 12 innings.

  143. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Why does that Verducci article not surprise me? :roll:

  144. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Girardi may not have managed to win that game, but he didn’t manage to lose it either. He did what he needed to do to get players ready for the PS. He had no obligation to save the red sox’s season for them.

  145. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Gary, that doesn’t make any sense. No one wanted to win and hated the blown lead more than I did, but there is no way I wanted to burn Mo or Robertson out in a totally meaningless game with only one day off prior to the start of the post-season. If the Yankees lose to the Tigers, which they certainly can, it’s not because they lost the last game.

    CC can not pitch like he’s been pitching and expect to keep his team in the game. He pitched poorly for close to 2 months – he needs to step up tonight.

  146. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    kate-

    How about just wanting to win the final game of the season ?

    It should have had nothing to do with the Sux. I don’t think it did.

  147. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Betsy-

    Mo was well rested. Maybe he could have used an inning just to stay sharp ?

    He was gonna have a day or so off anyway.

    It was Girardi’s call and he made it. So it’s done.

    I really don’t blame people for wondering about it.

    That’s their right IMO.

    Now let’s go and destroy the Tigers.

    :)

  148. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    I don’t think it really had anything to do w/ the sox. I think that means much more to us, the fans, than the players.
    I understand what you guys are saying about ending the season w/ a win. In my mind, they did. Getting 7 unanswered runs off Price was fantastic. Tex getting 2 HR was wonderful.

  149. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MTU, we’ll have to disagree- no big deal. It all starts for real tonight.

  150. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    No way Mo should have been brought into that game IMO.

    I don’t even understand why people are still talking about that game. Who cares? LOL

  151. Triple Short of a Cycle September 30th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Montero will be in the lineup every day next season.

    ——————————————-

    But he can’t hit righties according to Joe so why put him in the lineup every day?

  152. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    I think they wanted to win every game leading to the post season, just not at the expense of getting their ducks in a row.

    I was upset they lost the last game, but only because I wanted to end the season on a high note, and because of the three pitchers who ultimately lost the game for them. Not that they were in the game, but because they didn’t do as well as they usually had done.

    Once that game goes into extra innings, sorry, but Scott Proctor was the guy to use. He was not going to be on the PS roster actually he did a decent job.

    People need to make up their minds: was Girardi supposed to rest his players (what many, many, many people here were saying), or was he supposed to go all out to win a game that meant nothing to the Yankees, except in terms of being able to say, we won the last game of the season?

    Boston’s situation had no bearing, and should have had no bearing on what the Yankees did in those final 3 games. If Bostontakes care of their own business and beats the Orioles, it would not have mattered AT ALL what the Yankees did.

  153. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Kate-

    I’ll be gone Tues- Fri. on a hiking trip. So you’ll be rid of me. If you’re lucky maybe I won’t make it back.

    :)

  154. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    TylerKepner If Francona really is out in Boston, Jerry Reinsdorf ought to call him ASAP. (Francona, of course, managed Jordan for ChiSox AA team)

  155. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I highly doubt Girardi thinks Montero can’t hit righties. Girardi is just giving Po a chance to contribute.

  156. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    VN-

    I had my my mind made up long ago. I was more in the pedal to the metal camp.

    Just my take.

    ;)

  157. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    The Yankees showed their mettle when they beat the Sox/Rays 5 out of 7 games at YS – that was outstanding and potentially damaged both teams chances.

  158. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    MYU
    why on earth would I want to be rid of you, of all people???
    you are one of the pleasures of posting in the am :)
    where are you going?

  159. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Villa Nova-great post

  160. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Kate, I have a feeling, and note it, that Posada is going to have a few big moments during this post-season.

  161. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Sherman has an interesting article in the Post about how this is a transition year for the Yanks in a lot of ways……..I agree with him.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....PUjq4ZnzKP

  162. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Betsy
    I hope you are right. He had his pre-season moment in the AL east clinching game, I would love to see him have a PS moment as well.

  163. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:25 am
    Gary, that doesn’t make any sense. No one wanted to win and hated the blown lead more than I did, but there is no way I wanted to burn Mo or Robertson out in a totally meaningless game with only one day off prior to the start of the post-season. If the Yankees lose to the Tigers, which they certainly can, it’s not because they lost the last game.

    CC can not pitch like he’s been pitching and expect to keep his team in the game. He pitched poorly for close to 2 months – he needs to step up tonight.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    I think it was no risk, low pitch count and maybe one batter for each. Just my two cents again. If the Yanks lose to the Tigers, it in my opinion won’t be because of the bullpen, but rather SP or hitting. I’m worried for tonight, but you hit the nail on the head it’s up to CC to match Verlander who is pitching alot smarter on both pitch county and going very deep into games this year. If CC goes high pitch count and gives up runs early well then…………….. If they have the lead and hand the ball to Verlarde it’s just about game set match, that guy has been filthy this year.

  164. Yankee Trader September 30th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Good morning.

    Looking like the Dead Sox will not fire Francona, as he will tell them he’s not coming back.

    When I checked Verlander’s split stats yesterday righthanders actually hit him slightly better for average .215 to .174 for lefties and slugging% .364 to .271 for lefties.
    Checking his pitch count, he gave up a .277 BA on 1st pitch, and .321 BA with the count 0-1.

    Someone suggested he’s tough on lefties because of his devastating changeup.

    Game plan on him-We’ll probably see them swinging at the 1st pitch[7 homers of his 21 total homers were given up with count 0-0].

    Cano, Granderson,Swisher, Tex, Chavez are all batting below the Mendoza line against Verlander, career wise.

    Still feel Montero with his swing would be a better option.

  165. Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Gary, Tigers are a very good team………..I make no predictions about the series except to say that it will not be easy.

  166. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Kate-

    I rarely take a contararian view of things around here and I sorta did above.

    Sometimes people get a bad result around here for doing so.

    Not saying from you. So I joked about it.

    I’m off to do one of my top 3 hikes. Up to the Escalante area to hike a portion of the
    Coyote Gulch.

    It’s a hiker’s hike. One of the best in the whole of Utah. World class.

    Like the Yankees.

    ;)

  167. Villa Nova-Ya September 30th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    I was also thinking yesterday that this season as a transition year for the Yankees. Think about how the season unfolded. It may not have started as a transition year, but it ended up that way. I have not read Sherman’s article yet, but the Yankees incorporated a lot of new pieces this season. THey have had to look at the ARod’s “humanity” in the face, and to some extent, Jeter’s.

    Look who were the big names this year: Granderson, Cano, Nova, Robertson. A new guard.

  168. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    MTU-have a great time. Take lots of pictures. :)

  169. Yankee Trader September 30th, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I was upset they lost the last game, but only because I wanted to end the season on a high note, and because of the three pitchers who ultimately lost the game for them.
    ——————————————
    VN-

    That’s exactly how I felt.

  170. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Erin-

    Thanks. I will. Leaving Tues. Morning.

    Sometimes it’s tough being torn between two loves.

    But you wouldn’t know since Robbie is your only true love.

    ;)

  171. Yankee Trader September 30th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    MTU-

    Go take a hike!! Please take lots of photos in preparation for Stage 1 tribute of the Yankees victory over the Tigers!! :)

  172. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:41 am
    Gary, Tigers are a very good team………..I make no predictions about the series except to say that it will not be easy.

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    You got it Betsy. Alot of of the night bloggers have the Yanks already in the ALCS. Tonight is a big game. I don’t like their chances so much if they don’t win tonight. They would have to sweep the next three with two in Detroit to aviod seeing Verlander on fill rest in game 5. Without Andy who was always there to pickup the team after loses, I don’t see that pitcher that you have who would stop the bleeding so to say. I’m still wondering about ARod where is at performance wise, 70%, 80%,90% his body has not performed well this year.

  173. Gary September 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Betsy September 30th, 2011 at 8:37 am
    Kate, I have a feeling, and note it, that Posada is going to have a few big moments during this post-season.

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    Betsy sorry, but I think the big moments will be negative. Too much downside risks for SO’s and DP’s. I like Posada, but I think there are better options. If he’s on the bench I don’t see him getting in much especially if ARod can play the field effectivly.

  174. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    YT-

    These will be good enough for the # 28 celebration.

    It’s a hauntingly beautiful area. Immense canyons carved out by a wild river.

    Waterfalls, arches, etc. In other words, the whole enchilada.

    And I’m not likely to see anyone other than my partner for days.

    Best of the best.

  175. upstate kate September 30th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    sounds beautiful MTU

  176. Yankee Trader September 30th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Verlander can be beaten, especially in YS with its short right porch. It’s happened to Doc Halladay. One of the keys will be to use the Yankees vast edge in speed and have Jeter[wait till you see his career numbers vs Verlander], Gardner, and Granderson run every chance they get.

    Yankee career numbers vs. Verlander:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-verlander

  177. Erin September 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    New Post: Big games and big results from the big man

    :arrow:

  178. MTU September 30th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Kate-

    Maybe you’ll get to see it someday. I hope so. It’s a place that burns it’s way into your soul.

    A bucket list kind of place and I have had the privledge of visiting 3 times.

    I’m a lucky, lucky Man. And I am very humbled by it.

    My photos cannot possibly do it justice. I’ll do my best to capture a little of it.


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